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MINUTES OF THE JOINT WORK/STUDY SESSION OF MAY 17, 2007
PORT TOWNSEND CITY COUNCIL
JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
CALL TO ORDER AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The City Council of the City of Port Townsend met in workshop session the
seventeenth day of May, 2007, at 6:30 p.m. in the City Hall Council Chambers, 540
Water Street, Port Townsend, Washington, Mayor Mark Welch and BOCC Chair Phil
Johnson presiding.
ROLL CALL
Council members present at roll call were Frank Benskin, Geoff Masci, Laurie
Medlicott, George Randels, Catharine Robinson, Michelle Sandoval, and Mark
Welch.
Commissioners present were John Austin, Phil Johnson, and David Sullivan.
Staff members present were City Manager David Timmons, County Administrator
John Fischbach, members of County Planning Staff Brent Butler and Karen Barrows,
City Clerk Pam Kolacy
SCHEDULE FOR FUTURE MEETINGS
Consensus to schedule a joint meeting every other month; next meeting to be held
in July or August.
DISCUSSION ITEMS
Contractual Agreements
Group agreed it is important that all are operating from the same terminology and
knowledge base.
Municipal Court
Jail
Dispatch
Health & Human Services
Animal Services
Mr. Timmons stated that most of the expense issues relate to court, jail and dispatch
- areas where the City has a statutory requirement to provide services and has
chosen to provide them by contracting for services with Jefferson County. He noted
that from the City's perspective there have been several years in which there have
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been "hits" to the General Fund due to a large increase in billings and there was no
revenue base to cover them. He stated he is interested in getting direction from the
legislative bodies about how to deal with these issues as well as possible joint
venture opportunities.
Mr. Fischbach stated that jail expenditures are on third of the Sheriff's budget; the
City does receive directly any City-related fines and fees from the Court. He added
that the County uses the Federal formula for cost allocation billing and that as the jail
population goes down, the costs go up since the substantial overhead expenses are
fixed.
Mr. Sullivan noted it makes sense in that respect to use the local facility rather than
transporting prisoners out of County.
Ms. Sandoval noted that the City's decision to house prisoners out of the County
was based on financial implications of multiple day stays.
Mr. Welch said that there is a perception that citizens of the City are being subjected
to double taxation since they pay taxes as County residents and then pay again for
County services through the City's general fund expenditures. .
Mr. Sullivan noted this is a legal framework decided by the state.
Ms. Robinson asked that the County Administrator provide materials he referenced
that had been provided to the Commissioners to the City Council as well. She then
wondered if staffs could be asked to work on a new paradigm that would make
things more predictable in this area.
Mr. Randels said it would make more sense to charge on a per capita basis than per
misdemeanors of felonies.
Mr. Fischbach stated that unpredictability is a problem to both entities; perhaps
setting a fixed fee would make sense. He said he believes that staff could come up
with several alternatives.
Mr. Timmons noted that from the City administration's point of view it is more difficult
to deal with a sudden jump than with incremental rising costs; the entities need
legislative leadership to address the issues. He added that the court system is
becoming more strict on longer sentencing; however, the court can add court costs
to the prisoner's fine for example. He believes that the problem may be better
solved by finding revenues to help recover costs than by unit pricing.
Mr. Sullivan noted that there are big costs associated with medical and dental
expenses; he stated there is a need for the City and County to act as allies and
lobby the state legislature on these issues.
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Regarding dispatch services, Mr. Fischbach noted that the fire districts are currently
being "carried" by the other dispatch partners due to the original formula that was
set. He stated that all are aware of the problem and that a solution is necessary.
Mr. Timmons noted the problem with the formula is there is no fixed base rate based
on capacity to serve with a volumetric rate for use. In answer to Mr. Masci's
question, Mr. Fischbach stated that he and Mr. Timmons wanted to begin dividing
the costs proportionately but the others on the board wanted to wait a year. The
smaller entities on the board currently have equal representation with the City and
County representatives.
Mr. Timmons stated that the consolidation of the fire districts unmasked the
problems with the allocation system. He stated he advocates cost of service
allocation. Mr. Randels stated that weighted voting according to use of the service
would make sense.
Regarding the antiquated infrastructure, Mr. Fischbach noted that bonds have been
sold which will be repaid from the sales tax revenues as there was not enough
money in the reserves to cover the cost of a new system.
Regarding public health issues, Mr. Masci stated that Counties are filling a hole in
public health created by the elimination of much state funding. He stated this is
another area where lobbying should be undertaken.
Mrs. Medlicott stated she would like numbers showing a breakdown of dispatch calls
for service and charges.
JOINT COOPERATIVE EFFORTS
Climate Protection Resolution
Mr. Johnson spoke in favor of supporting a climate protection resolution.
Ms. Barrows noted that a joint resolution would be similar to the Clallam County
resolution; she stated the resolution has been altered somewhat to reflect the
specifics for Jefferson County.
Mr. Timmons noted that from the City administration's perspective, some of the
tweaking served to establish the County as the lead agency (similar to the housing
task force) and make sure it dovetailed with the City's other energy discussions and
task force so they work together rather than in competition.
Mr. Butler noted that the resolution would come before the Commissioners on
Tuesday, May 29. Mr. Masci requested language changes.
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Mr. Timmons stated he would like the County to take the initiative and appoint
committee members with input from the City.
Mrs. Medlicott stated this is not the City's usual process and asked that Councilors
have the resolution to study before they simply adopt another entity's version.
Mr. Butler agreed there could be two separate resolutions instead of a joint
resolution.
Mr. Timmons noted that the Council had expressed concerns about workload and
staffing in relation to the issue.
HOUSING NEEDS
Questions were asked regarding the nature of involvement of government agencies
in conjunction with other agencies working for affordable housing, such as Habitat
for Humanity and Kitsap Housing Authority. Ms. Sandoval noted that the Housing
Needs group is having discussions about a coalition or alliance including these
groups and the governments to work toward the common goal of providing
affordable housing.
PARKSfRECREA TION
Mr. Fischbach listed several documents and studies he has provided to the
Commissioners in regard to parks and recreation options. Mr. Welch asked if this
same information could also be provided to the City Council.
It was suggested that staffs provide inventories of what types of recreational and
park facilities each entity has; this might be a topic for a single meeting.
Mr. Timmons noted that the City is under pressure to decide what to do with the
existing swimming pool. He noted that the Quimper Foundation has offered to
facilitate discussions about this issue with emphasis on a consolidated approach and
bringing forward a community, rather than a political perspective. The Foundation
may be able to provide private funding to support the discussion.
ARTS FUNDING
Ms. Sandoval stated that the City's Arts Commission has asked to fund events
outside the City limits and invited the County to join with the City to support and fund
the arts in Jefferson County. Mr. Randels noted that assisting the development of
art is a way for the government to provide economic and other opportunities for its
citizens. Mr. Austin spoke in support of considering the proposal.
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ADJOURN
At 8:43, there was consensus to move the remaining agenda items (revenue
sharing, land use/water/transportation, roundabout at Mill Road, economic
development, ag food economy, library, public infrastructure fund)
to the next meeting.
The meeting was adjourned by consensus at 8:45 p.m.
Attest:
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Pam Kolacy, CMC
City Clerk
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