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AGENDA
Date August 13, 2026 3:00pm Time
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of this Commission is to advise City Government in order to facilitate public arts programs that
enhance the cultural life of community residents, promote, and encourage programs that further
the development and public awareness of, as well as the interest in all forms of the arts. The
Arts Commission also works to strengthen artists' opportunities, visibility, and vitality within our
community.
"This meeting is open to the public at the City Council Chambers both in person and virtually via
the Internet. The meeting is recorded for future reference. Public comments, limited to three
minutes per person, are welcome during the period noted on the agenda. Please see the top of
the agenda document for instructions to join the meeting virtually or to submit written
I. Call to Order/ Roll Call
II. Changes to the Agenda
III. Approval of Minutes June 4, 2026, and July 2, 2026
IV. Public Comment (3 minutes per comment)
V. Staff and Chair Updates
a. Chair Update (Doug)
b. Treasurer Update (Melanie)
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c. Staff Update (Katy)
VI. Old Business
a. Committee Reports
i. Public Art
1. Update on Street Painting Code from Austin Watkins
ii. Grants
1. Committee Recommendations for 2026/2027
iii. Art Awards
1. Award Design and Fabrication Artist recommendation
iv. Poet Laureate
1. 2026 check in and 2027 planning
VII. New Business (4:00-5:00)
a. Response to budget request from City Manager
b. PTAC development branding, recruitment, policies and procedures
VIII. Set agenda for next meeting
a. Grant Funding
IX. Adjourn
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Minutes of the Port Townsend Special Session Arts Commission Meeting of June 4,2026
LOCATION: In-person at City Council Chambers and Remote
: Dan Groussman,DougCaskey, Christine WalshRogers, Dana Nelson,Heidi Tullmann, Joshua Saunders,
Melanie Muszynski, Sheena Uritzand Simon Lynge
STAFF PRESENT:City Attorney Austin Watkins, Culture Coordinator Katy Goodman, and City Clerk Alyssa Rodrigues
Board Liaison: Libby Wennstrom
Community Members:Silva, Eden Blooms, Gillian Amas, Vicky Blakesley, Elizabeth Becker, Laura Newman, Leigh Hearon, Kelsey
Caudebec, Daniel Micalone, Scott Braman, Joseph Gish,
TopicMotions/Recommendation/Action
Call to Order Chair Doug Caskeycalledthe meeting to order at 3:03pm.
Approval of Agenda Commissioner WalshRogers moved to approve the agenda.
Commissioner Lyngeseconded. Motion passed
unanimously.
Public Comment There was no public comment for this meeting.
Staff and Chair Updates Doug Caskeymentioned the letter from the mayor about the
workplan. Katy Goodmanmentioned the skate park mural
process,and free movie screening. Austin Watkinsspoke
about an updatedgrant sponsorship applicationand the
threshold for 1099. Commissioners discussed
insurance, and the mural applications.
Grant Applications Staff and Commissioners listened and asked
questions. Discussion ensued about the grant applicants.
Commissioner Walsh Rogersmotioned to fully fund the
Jefferson Teen Center anduse the remaining fundsfor the
remaining applicants. Commissioner Muszynskiseconded.
Commissioners discussed the motion. Commissioner Uritz
motioned to table Commissioner Walsh Rogers earlier
motion. Commissioner Walsh Rogersseconded. The group
continued thediscussion.Commissioner Walsh Rogers
withdrew her motion.CommissionerCaskeymotioned to
recommend grants for Sequim City Bandof $ 500.00, PT
Summer Bandof $700.00, PT Community Print Shopof
TopicMotions/Recommendation/Action
$800.00, Concerts in the Barnof $1000.00, Daniel Micalone
of $250.00, PT Rock n' Roll Marching Bandof $250.00,
Olympic Folk Foundationfor $1000.00, and Olympickin'of
$500.00. Commissioner Walsh Rogersseconded. Motion
passed unanimously.
Set Agenda for Next Meeting: July 2, 2026 Workplan responds
Adjourn This meeting adjourned at 5:05pm.
Minutes of the Port Townsend Special Session Arts Commission Meeting of July 2,2026
LOCATION: In-person at City Council Chambers and Remote
: Dan Groussman,DougCaskey, Christine WalshRogers, Dana Nelson,Heidi Tullmann, Joshua Saunders,
Melanie Muszynski, Sheena Uritzand Simon Lyngewereabsent.
STAFF PRESENT:Community Services Director, Melody Sky Weaver, Facilities and Parks Manager,Michael Todd, Arts& Culture
Coordinator Katy Goodman, and Deputy City Clerk Lonnie Mickle
Board Liaison: Libby Wennstrom
Community Members:
TopicMotions/Recommendation/Action
Call to Order Chair Doug Caskeycalledthe meeting to order at 3:00pm.
Approval of Agenda Commissioner Joshua Saundersmoved to approve the
agenda. Commissioner Christine Walsh Rogersseconded.
Motion passed unanimously.
Approval of Minutes for May 7, 2026 Commissioner Dan Groussmanmoved to approve the
amended minutes. Commissioner Joshua Saunders
seconded. Motion passed unanimously.
Public Comment There was no public comment for this meeting.
Staff and Chair Updates Doug Caskeyreviewed the statement of purpose for the
Commissioners. Commissioner Walsh Rogersmotioned to
accept the statement for the Arts Commission.
Commissioner Muszynskiseconded. Motion passed
unanimously.Katy Goodman and Commissioner Muszynski
Discussion ensued about the
funds in the budget. Commissioners Caskeyand Walsh
Rogerssaid they would be interested in attending a Creative
District meeting. Discussionensued about the Creative
district, different projects around the city, and grants.
Old Business Staff and Commissioners discussed the selection of the
grant for the Skate Park Mural and thecitycommunity that
use the park. Commissioner Groussman made a motion that
PTAC recommended artist Jesse Joshua Watson to the City
Council for the skate park mural. Commissioner Walsh
TopicMotions/Recommendation/Action
Rogers seconded. Motion passed 5 to 1 with Commissioner
Saunders abstaining. The Commissioners and Staff
discussed grant meetings, the 2026Artsawards,and the
Poet Laureate program.
New Business Commissioners and staff
letter, the City Council retreat,theworkplan,this
goals, the creative district and LodgingTax Advisory
Committeecollaboration,the Public Arts Plan, economic
benefits, and art festivals. Commissioner Caskeymoved to
forward to the City Council the fourbullet pointson the 2027
the Port Townsend Creative District and the Lodging Tax
Advisory Committee so that together these City programs
can collaborate....". Commissioner Groussmanseconded.
Motion passed unanimously.The Commissioners and Staff
then discussed the state arts education supportfor small
school districts, how to get support for the program, and the
.
Member Update Commissioners discussed projects they have seen around
the world and locally, library programs, the Oregon County
fair, and the summer reading program.
Set Agenda for Next Meeting: August 6, 2026 Internal processes, recruitment and OPMA
Adjourn This meeting adjourned at 4:57pm.
City of Port Townsend Arts Commission (PTAC)
2026 Meeting Schedule
City of Port Townsend Arts Commission Mission Statement
The Arts Commission's mission as an appointed City Commission is to facilitate public arts
programs that enhance the cultural life of community residents.!
Overview
This document is a flexible summary of the annual approach to PTAC meetings in 2026 and the
st
development of the PTAC budget. PTAC meets on 1 Thursdays, from 3:00-5:00PM. The development of
the PTAC budget is part of the development of the City of Port Townsend budget, and resides in the
General Fund, with contributions as approved by City Council each year. This process begins nearly six
months before the start of the subsequent year and includes state-mandated statutory milestones and
deadlines.
1. January Program Planning Part 1: 2026 Grant Criteria & Art Awards
Discussion of grant program specifics, including application, criteria, and any marketing or public
education opportunities.
2. February Program Planning Part 2: Annual Arts Awards and Public Art
Confirm Art Award winners and plans for ceremony. Discuss revisions/updates to Public Art Plan
Policies and Procedures.
3. March Quarterly Grant Funding; Launch 2027 Art Award Nominations
4. April Poet Laureate Visit and Mural Policy
Visit and update with Poet Laureate. Mural policy updates and review.
5. May Workplan Strategic Session
PTAC receives request from Mayor/City Manager to PTAC (and all City advisory boards) for
workplan items and preliminary budget request. PTAC reviews progress on the 2026 workplan,
strategizes on multi-year initiatives and the 2027 workplan, and considers priorities for next
fiscal year in order to suggest a preliminary PTAC workplan.
6. June Quarterly Grant Funding
7. July Mid Year Review and Budget Strategic Session
PTAC discusses all 2026 programs and makes mid-year assessments. Discussion on budget to
pair with workplan and submits a recommendation to staff and City Council in advance of a
decision on the preliminary City budget. (City Council may choose to approve/incorporate or
may send the recommendation back to PTAC for further discussion).
8. August PTAC Operations and Development
Review internal processes, brand identity, recruitment, etc; Refresh on OPMA
Rules
9. September Quarterly Grant Funding
10. October Poet Laureate Visit, Art Awards and 2027 Grant Planning
Visit and update with Poet Laureate. Art Award nominations status and planning for 2027
Ceremony; 2027 grant deadlines and updates to grants program
11. November 1% for the Arts and Public Art Plan Review
Invitation to Public Works Director to discuss possible 1% eligible projects in Capital Facilities
Plan. Annual review of Public Art Plan.
12. December Annual Review. PTAC reviews the 2026 workplan, reviews 2026 granting data and
budget expenditures, plans annual meeting schedule, and ties up loose ends in discussion.
Board and Commission Priorities 2026 - Policy Recommendations to Council:
1. Artistic Mural code recommendation to Council
2. Update of Art in Public Places Policies and Procedures recommendation to Council
3. 1% for the Arts status update and possible projects
ARTS COMMISSION (9 max.)
Council Liaison: Libby Wennstrom
Meets 3:00pm 1st Thursday at City Hall
Pos. Name Exp.
Simon Lynge 5/1/29
1
Dana Nelson 5/1/29
2
Melanie 5/1/29
3
Muszynski
Heidi Tullman 5/1/27
4
Joshua Saunders 5/1/28
5
6 Sheena Uritz 5/1/28
Christine Walsh 5/1/27
7
Rogers
Dan Groussman 5/1/28
8
Doug Caskey 5/1/27
9
Staff Memorandum
From: Austin Watkins, City Attorney
To: Arts Commission
Date: August 6, 2026
Subject: Proposed Updates to Chapter 12.11 PTMC (Street Painting Code)
Summary
The City Attorney’s Office (CAO) recommends changes to Chapter 12.11 PTMC (Street Painting
Code) to reinforce that permanent or semi-permanent street, sidewalk and intersection paintings, and
decorative crosswalk installations are public art installations.
Street paintings are a form of City (government) speech and City Council retains editorial
control of street paintings thru final approval of proposals, after a recommendation by the Arts
Commission and Historic Preservation Committee (if applicable).
The CAO is bringing the proposed changes to Chapter 12.11 PTMC to the Arts Commission as an
informational briefing prior to presentation to City Council.
Background
On February 1, 2021, the City enacted Ordinance 3260 which established the Street Painting
Code. Prior to Ordinance 3260, the City did not have an enacted code establishing a process for the
installation of permanent or semi-permanent street, sidewalk and intersection paintings, and decorative
crosswalk installations. However, the City’s Art in Public Spaces Policy had an established framework for
City sponsored installations.
Ordinance 3260 established that street paintings must:
Be permitted by the City, with approval by City Council after recommendation by the Arts
Commission and Historic Preservation Committee (if applicable);
Established approval criteria;
Clarified that streets are not a “public forum”;
Required that street paintings shall not interfere with traffic safety or the public’s use of streets;
and,
Authorized the removal of street paintings installed without a permit or when they present a
traffic safety or public works issue.
Ordinance 3260 was established in response to various street paintings proposals from 2020,
including a Black Lives Matter mural (approved by City Council) and a Blue Lives Matter (not approved
by City Council).
Under the City’s Art in Public Places Policy and Procedure (2007), street paintings are “public
artwork”. The Policy applies to all public artwork located on publicly owned property, which includes
streets and rights-of-way. The Policy has a process for City initiated artwork or the acceptance of
artwork as a gift – either of these procedures may be used for street paintings (either city sponsored or
community sponsored). There may be amendments needed to the Policy to fully harmonize Chapter
12.11 and the Policy.
Proposed Amendments
The proposed amendments reinforce that permanent or semi-permanent street, sidewalk and
intersection paintings, and decorative crosswalk installations are public art installations; that street
paintings are a form of City (government) speech; that street paintings must comply with the City’s Art
in Public Places Policy and Procedure; and that City Council retains editorial control of street paintings
thru final approval of proposals, after a recommendation by the Arts Commission and Historic
Preservation Committee (if applicable).
The remainder of this memo focuses on PTMC 12.11.040 (approval criteria). Below is the adopted
code compared to the proposed code amendments:
12.11.040 Approval Criteria. (Existing)
The city does not intend a street, sidewalk, or intersection painting or a community-designed
crosswalk to be a legal “public forum” and therefore reserves the right to control the art displayed on all
city property, including painting or other art installations on city streets and sidewalks. The city reserves
the right to deny a street painting permit application or to remove a street, sidewalk, or intersection
painting or community-designed crosswalk if it depicts:
A. Violent images.
B. Sexually graphic images.
C. Religious symbols or desecration of the same.
D. Hatred of persons or groups of people.
E. Support for or opposition to a candidate or initiative on the ballot.
F. Advertisement for a good or service for sale.
G. Imagery that may be inappropriate to maintain in or upon public property because it so
objectionable under contemporary community standards that it is reasonably foreseeable to result
in harm to, disruption of, or interference with the public’s use of city property.
12.11.040 Approval Guidelines for Street Paintings. (Proposed)
The City does not intend a street, sidewalk, or intersection painting or a community-designed decorative
crosswalk to be a legal “public forum” or “limited forum”. The City controls the permanent or semi-
permanent art displayed City streets and sidewalks as the City is expressing its own speech or messages.
A. When reviewing an application under this chapter, City staff, the Arts Commission, Historic
Preservation Committee (if applicable), and the City Council shall consider whether the
proposal:
1. Positively promotes and enhance public spaces;
2. Is consistent with the character and values of the community; and,
3. Adds to the unique vibrancy of the city.
B. When reviewing an application under this chapter, City staff, the Arts Commission, Historic
Preservation Committee (if applicable), and the City Council shall consider whether the proposal
includes:
1. Violent images;
2. Sexually graphic images;
3. Religious symbols or desecration of the same;
4. Hatred of persons or groups of people;
5. Support for or opposition to a candidate or initiative on the ballot; and,
6. Advertisement for a good or service for sale.
C. The City Council shall deny proposals that are not in the best interest of the City. The City
Council should deny proposals that include any elements of subsection B or includes imagery
that may be inappropriate to maintain in or upon public property because it so objectionable
under contemporary community standards that it is reasonably foreseeable to result in harm to,
disruption of, or interference with the public’s use of City property.
Legal Background
PTMC 12.11.040, as enacted, limits the City Council’s approval authority to the listed criteria. As
explained below, permanent and semi-permanent street paintings on City streets and sidewalks are
public artwork. Street paintings are City (government) speech and the City Council may authorize only its
viewpoints when approving public artwork, including street painting. Put another way, the City Council
may engage in viewpoint discrimination when approving or denying a street painting application, as it is
a form of government speech. The proposed amendments clarify this and gives the City Council better
direction on how to decide on street painting applications.
First Amendment – Public Forums and Government Speech
Under the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment, as well as the Washington Constitution,
government regulation of private speech on public property is broken down into three categories: (1)
traditional public forums; (2) limited public forums; and (3) nonpublic forums. A public forum is
government property that has been intentionally or historically opened for expressive activities by
certain groups or for certain topics (e.g., public square that is historically used for various types of
speech or protests).
Under all three of these scenarios, the government may not engage in viewpoint discrimination
of speech. For public forums, the regulation must be content neutral and only regulate time, place, and
manner, while not promoting one viewpoint over another.
However, when the government speaks for itself, there is a “government speech” exception
allowing the government to select the views it wants to express, and it is not required to maintain
viewpoint neutrality. This doctrine recognizes that the government must be able to speak for itself in
order to function and carry out its policies.
There is substantial case law on determining whether the government speech exception applies
to certain scenarios and courts apply a holistic inquiry to determine whether the government intends to
speak for itself or to regulate private expression – if it intends to regulate private expression on public
property, the regulation generally must be viewpoint neutral.
The three-part test in determining if the government speech exception applies is: (1) the history
of expression at issue; (2) the public’s likely perception as to who (the government or a private person)
is speaking; and (3) the extent to which the government has actively shaped or controlled the
expression. Shurtleff v. City of Boston, Massachusetts, 596 U.S. 243, 252, 142 S. Ct. 1583, 1590, 212 L.
Ed. 2d 621 (2022).
For example, the United States District Court for the District of Columbia found the government
speech exception applied when the District of Columbia government approved a Black Lives Matter
street mural because the government maintained editorial control over the street mural. Small Bus. in
Transp. Coal. v. Bowser, 610 F. Supp. 3d 149, 155 (D.D.C. 2022), aff'd, 22-7102, 2023 WL 2770986 (D.C.
Cir. Apr. 4, 2023); See also Raymond v. City of New York, 715 F. Supp. 3d 402, 411 (E.D.N.Y. 2024)
(holding that government-directed street murals were government speech because city streets were
closely identified in the public mind with the government unit that owned them and that the city took
ownership of the murals by displaying them on streets it owned and managed).
Applying the three-part test above to the issue of street paintings in the City, it is the CAO’s
position that street paintings under Chapter 12.11 PTMC are government speech as:
(1) The history of expression at issue;
CAO Analysis: The City has historically approved street paintings that are consistent with
community held values, such as the 2020 Black Lives Matters street mural, 2026 Farmers Market
street mural, and 2026 hán Trail Walk street markings while denying others that are
inconsistent with community held values. This indicates that the City has maintained editorial
control over street paintings. There is no history of individuals installing permanent or semi-
permanent street paintings without City editorial control.
(2) The public’s likely perception as to who (the government or a private person) is speaking; and,
CAO Analysis: City streets have historically been controlled by the City, including expression
physically on City streets. For example, the City regulates the types of messaging physically
allowed on streets (e.g., street signs and markings). The public would likely perceive permanent
or semi-permanent street markings, including murals, to be government, not private speech.
(3) The extent to which the government has actively shaped or controlled the expression.
CAO Analysis: The City has maintained editorial control over permanent or semi-permanent
street paintings, markings, and murals. The City has had regulations in place since 2021,
including approval criteria. The City has voiced its input on the content, design, and location of
street paintings.
Summary
The proposed changes clarify that permanent or semi-permanent street paintings are public
artwork, that street paintings are City (government) speech, and give the City Council more editorial
control over proposals, by changing the approval criteria to approval guidelines and proposing other
clean up edits ensuring that the proposals are consistent with community held values and are in the best
interests of the City.
Attachments:
1. Proposed Ordinance 3368 with line in / line out amendments to Chapter 12.11 PTMC.
2. Art in Public Places Policy (2007).
Port Townsend Municipal Code Page1/3
Chapter 12.11 STREET USE PERMITS – STREET
PAINTING ALL DISTRICTS
Chapter 12.11
STREET USE PERMITS – STREET PAINTING ALL DISTRICTS
Sections:
12.11.010 Intent.
12.11.020 Applicability – Permit required.
12.11.030 Street painting permit approval.
12.11.040 Approval criteria.
12.11.050 Removal and maintenance.
12.11.010 Intent.
The purpose of this chapter is to establish a process for City review and approval of permanent or semi-permanent
street, sidewalk and intersection paintings, and decorative crosswalk installations that Painting on city streets and
sidewalks should positively promote and enhance public spaces including the character and values of the community
while and adding to the unique vibrancy of Port Townsend. Paintings on the street and sidewalks should shall not
negatively affect traffic safety or interfere with the traveling public’s use of cCity streets and sidewalks. (Ord. 3260
§ 1 (Exh. A), 2021).
12.11.020 Applicability – Permit required.
This chapter establishes the process for City review and approval of pertains to allowing street, sidewalk, and
intersection paintings, and decorative and community-designed crosswalks in all districts in the Ccity. It applies to
all City right-of-way and City owned or leased real property. It does not pertain to any painting or markings applied
by the cCity or state for traffic safety or traffic control or to any street, sidewalk and intersection paintings and
community-designed decorative crosswalks drawn in chalk or other medium that may be removed with the
nonpressurized application of water. No permanent or semi-permanent installation regulated by this chapter person
or group of people may be installed on any City right-of-way, street, sidewalk, or and intersection paintings or
community-designed crosswalks in the city without first obtaining a permit from the cCity pursuant to the process
and requirements in this chapter. This chapter provides the exclusive method for obtaining approval of uses that are
regulated by this chapter. The city reserves the right to remove any street painting that is installed without a permit
(Ord. 3260 § 1 (Exh. A), 2021).
12.11.030 Street painting permit approval.
A. The pPublic wWorks director (or designee) will, in consultation with the aArts cCommission, develop an permit
application and process for street, sidewalk, and intersection paintings, and community-designed decorative
crosswalks. The application and approval process shall be consistent with City policy for Art in Public Places, as
amended. The aArts cCommission will review proposed street, sidewalk and intersection paintings, and community-
designeddecorativecrosswalks for consistency with this chapter and will make recommendations to the cCity
cCouncil, which will have final approval of any street, sidewalk and intersection paintings, or community-designed
decorative crosswalks that are consistent with this chapter and public safety. Street, sidewalk, and intersection
paintings, or decorative crosswalks located on or within cCity right-of-way or City owned or leased real property is
City (government) speech and the City expressing its own speech and messages.
B. For street, sidewalk, and intersection paintings or community-designed decorative crosswalks proposed for
installation in an area subject to design or historic preservation review, the cCity will process the installation through
the cCity’s historic preservation review or design review process. The aArts cCommission and the hHistoric
pPreservation cCommittee may meet together to discuss the permit application.
C. Holders of street painting permits will coordinate with the cChief of pPolice (or designee) for any needed street
closures in order to ensure the safe installation.
D. The cCity may require that a street painting permit holder indemnify the cCity.
E. The cCity cCouncil decision to approve or deny a street painting permit is final. (Ord. 3260 § 1 (Exh. A), 2021).
Port Townsend Municipal Code Page2/3
Chapter 12.11 STREET USE PERMITS – STREET
PAINTING ALL DISTRICTS
12.11.040 Approval Guidelines for Street Paintings criteria.
The cCity does not intend a street, sidewalk, or intersection painting or a community-designeddecorative crosswalk
to be a legal “public forum” or “limited forum”. and therefore The City reserves the right to controls the permanent
or semi-permanent art displayed on all city property, including painting or other art installations on cCity streets and
sidewalks as the City is expressing its own speech or messages. The city reserves the right to deny a street painting
permit application or to remove a street, sidewalk, or intersection painting or community-designed crosswalk if it
depicts:
A. When reviewing an application under this chapter, City staff, the Arts Commission, Historic Preservation
Committee (if applicable), and the City Council shall consider whether the proposal:
1. Positively promotes and enhance public spaces;
2. Is consistent with the character and values of the community; and,
3. Adds to the unique vibrancy of the city.
B. When reviewing an application under this chapter, City staff, the Arts Commission, Historic Preservation
Committee (if applicable), and the City Council shall consider whether the proposal includes:
1. Violent images;
2. Sexually graphic images;
3. Religious symbols or desecration of the same;
4. Hatred of persons or groups of people;
5. Support for or opposition to a candidate or initiative on the ballot; and,
6. Advertisement for a good or service for sale.
C. The City Council shall deny proposals that are not in the best interest of the City. The City Council should deny
proposals that include any elements of subsection B or includes imagery that may be inappropriate to maintain in or
upon public property because it so objectionable under contemporary community standards that it is reasonably
foreseeable to result in harm to, disruption of, or interference with the public’s use of cCity property. (Ord. 3260 § 1
(Exh. A), 2021).
A. Violent images.
B. Sexually graphic images.
C. Religious symbols or desecration of the same.
D. Hatred of persons or groups of people.
E. Support for or opposition to a candidate or initiative on the ballot.
F. Advertisement for a good or service for sale.
12.11.050 Removal and maintenance.
Once installed, the street, sidewalk, or intersection painting or community-designed decorative crosswalk is the
property of the cCity, which may remove it without notice if the painting is placed without approval or maintained
contrary to the conditions of approval. The City may remove or modify any approved installation for safety,
maintenance, transportation, accessibility, utility, or public works reasons. The City Council may also decide to
remove an installation, through a City Council Resolution, if the speech or message is no longer consistent with the
best interests of the community. interferes with public safety, street maintenance, or is vandalized or damaged. The
Port Townsend Municipal Code Page3/3
Chapter 12.11 STREET USE PERMITS – STREET
PAINTING ALL DISTRICTS
cCity has no obligation to maintain, repair, or reinstall a street, sidewalk, or intersection painting, or community-
designeddecorativecrosswalk. (Ord. 3260 § 1 (Exh. A), 2021).
Ordinance 3368
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OrdinanceNo. 3368
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PORT TOWNSEND, WASHINGTON,
AMENDING PORT TOWNSENDMUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 12.11 –
STREET USE PERMITS – STREET PAINTING ALL DISTRICTS
WHEREAS, Chapter 12.11 of the Port Townsend Municipal Code (PTMC)
establishes a process for the City Arts Commission and Historic Preservation Committee
(if applicable) to review proposed permanent and semi-permanent street, sidewalk, and
intersection paintings and community-designed crosswalks on City streets or right-of-way,
making a recommendation to the City Council; and,
WHEREAS, Chapter 12.11 PTMC establishes the City Council as the approval
authority for permanent and semi-permanent street, sidewalk, and intersection paintings
and community-designed crosswalks; and
WHEREAS, Chapter 12.11 PTMC establishes approval criteria for proposed
permanent and semi-permanent street, sidewalk, and intersection paintings and
community-designed crosswalks; and
WHEREAS, the City wishes to further clarify that permanent and semi-permanent
street, sidewalk, and intersection paintings and community-designed crosswalks on City
streets and right-of-way are City (government) speech and wishes to give the City Council
more editorial control over proposed permanent and semi-permanent street, sidewalk, and
intersection paintings and community-designed crosswalks; and,
WHEREAS, the City desires to make further improvements to Chapter 12.11
PTMC learned about street paintings since Chapter 12.11 PTMC’s adoption in February
2021.
NOW, THEREFORE, the City Council of the City of Port Townsend, Washington
ordains as follows:
Section 1. Amendments. Amend Chapter 12.11 – Street Use Permits – Street Painting
All Districts of the Port Townsend Municipal Code, which sections are set forth in Exhibit A,
attached and incorporated by reference (underlines are additions and strikethrough are deletions).
Section 2. Implementation. The Public Works Department and Arts Commission are
authorized to implement this Ordinance.
Section 3. Severability. If any section, sentence, clause or phrase of this ordinance
should be held to be invalid or unconstitutional by a court of competent jurisdiction, such
invalidity or unconstitutionality shall not affect the validity of any other section, sentence,
clause, or phrase of this ordinance.
Section 4. Codification and Corrections. Notwithstanding any provisions to the
contrary in Chapter 1.01.015 of the Port Townsend Municipal Code, staff and the Code Reviser
are authorized to update and incorporate changes adopted in the Port Townsend Municipal
Code. Staff and the Code Reviser are further authorized to make non-substantive edits related to
numbering, grammar, spelling, and formatting consistent with this ordinance.
Ordinance 3368
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Section 5. Effective Date. This ordinance shall take effect and be in force five days
following its publication in the manner provided by law.
ADOPTED by the City Council of the City of Port Townsend, Washington, at a regular
meeting thereof, held this ________ day of ____________ 2026.
Amy Howard
Mayor
Attest:
Alyssa Rodrigues
City Clerk
Ordinance 3368
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Exhibit A
Amendments to Chapter 12.11 – Street Use Permits – Street Painting All Districts
Port Townsend Municipal Code Page3/3
Chapter 12.11 STREET USE PERMITS STREET
PAINTING ALL DISTRICTS
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Actions to date for 2026:
o Had new contract w/o insurance requirements adopted by City -- in use as of June 2026 grants
o Developed new rubric based on April PTAC grants workshop meeting -- in use as of June 2026
Immediate recommendations for September Grant Meeting:
o Cancel in-person presentations by applicants (still invite them to meeting)
o Close portal until end-of-year to revamp application and materials
Recommendations for updates to materials:
o Include top award amount of $2500
o Add clarity around residency and event location requirements
o Include option to upload short video of work samples or project explanation in lieu of in-person
presentation
o Simplify reporting possibly add mixer/presentations in lieu of written report
o Review and edit guidelines and FAQs
o Increase length between application deadline and grants meeting to give more time for review
Budget recommendations for 2027:
o Use video documentation budget to launch new artist-in-residence pilot program similar to
poet laureate but in rotating artistic genres (visual arts, music, theatre, film, etc.)
For discussion (now or later in year):
o Review process: small or rotating committee to make recommendations or prepare
presentations for PTAC?
o Value of in-person presentations by applicants and can that be replaced by other means?
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Port TownsendArt Commission
2026 Art Awards Design and Fabrication
Request for Qualifications
Project Overview
The Port Townsend Arts Commission announces an open call for artists interested in designing
and fabricating small sculptural works that will be awarded as trophies to the winners of the 2026
Port Townsend Art Awards. Three-dimension work in any medium—metal, work, ceramic, glass,
textile, paper, assemblage, or other materials—will be considered.
This project is designed to highlight local artists through original artwork that represents the art
community’s deep and enduring practice of producing meaningfulvisual culture. We request that
AI not be used for work made in response to this CFA.
Project Logistics
The artist/artist team will create six (6) original three-dimensional pieces which will be
presented to the winners of the Port Townsend Art Awards. Three to six artists will be
chosen to receive awards. The City of Port Townsend will keep any sculptures created but
not awarded
The base of the work should be approximately 5 inches by 5 inches, and it should stand
approximately 8 inches tall (these are loose guidelines to align with previous artist-created
trophies)
Regardless of the material used, the pieces should be durable and display-ready
The pieces should include a gold or metallic element/feature
Each sculpture should be roughly commensurate in size and intricacy and work as a stand-
alonepiece of art (all six can be identical if desired)
Pieces must be completed and delivered by December 1, 2026
Payment will be made after the work is delivered
The artist/artist team commission is $1,500
The City of Port Townsend will announce the project and feature the chosen artist/artist teamin
promotions related to the Art Awards, which will be held on March 5, 2027.
Project goals
Adds to acollection of unique, artist-createdtrophy-sculptures created for the Port
Townsend Art Awards
Honors the artist-winners for their achievements
Demonstrates the skill and talent of our artistic community
Who may apply?
Artists living and working in Port Townsend or East Jefferson County
What is the application process?
Include 4-6 work samples or a link to an online portfolio/website
Provide a short description of your design idea, inspiration, or point-of-view
What happens after I apply?
Qualifications will be reviewed by the Art Awards workgroup, which is made up of members of the
Port Townsend Arts Commission. The submission that aligns best with the project goals will be
chosen for the project and the artist will be contacted by August 10.
Schedule
RFQ Deadline: July 31
Decision and notification: August 10
Work-in-progress review date: September 30 (or earlier if desired by the artist/s)
Final work due: December 1
Example Gallery
2025 Award Designs by Tori Power
Ready to apply?
SUBMIT YOUR APPLICATION HERE
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Memo
To: All Staff
From: John Mauro, City Manager
Date: July 20, 2026
RE: 2027Workplan and Budget
Dear Team:
Can you believe it? plan priorities and budget for
2027. extremely capable of working
together to both deliver quality services day in day out, and plan strategically for the future.
Last Monday, July 13, City Council and Department Directors spent all day discussing the high-level
2027 strategic workplan.
year, an assessment of our current state, and some tough discussions on prioritizing our work for 2027.
Directors were predictably awesome as they both facilitated and presented, and Councilmembers were
highly
This memo officially kicks off the 2027 budget process and as a way to help you stay
informed and get involved in a process that takes so many of us to get to the finish line. Some of you put
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year, the theme is adding lasting value.
How do we add lasting value? We add value by using each opportunity in this budget to build off the
to invest more than one year ahead, and
to make historic gains on infrastructure repair. We add lasting value by working together and building
our strength as a team, allowing every single one of our contributions to count for something. We add
lasting value by developing a responsible, forward-focused budget that builds a better future for our
community.
What happens next? Below is what the general timeline looks like from today through that final Council
decision. the most ambitious schedule of the past 6 years,
with a comfortable amount of space to anticipate any changes or challenges along the way:
the end of 2026.
August 17 Revenue estimates to City Council
submit budgets
the budget timeline, our workplan, and how we engage with our teams and community on budget
that I have nothing but the highest confidence in this team and the collaborative approach directors
take to t
reduce the quality and stability of the outcome one bit.
at the upcoming departmental budget roadshows. Meanwhile, I invite you to ask me,
your director, and your manager any questions to better understand how your work, your ideas, and
your involvement can help shape our 2027 budget.
Sincerely,
John Mauro, City Manager
2027 Draft Workplan Goals Port Townsend Arts Commission
Develop 1% for the Arts Fund policy framework so that public art projects are being
proactively planned to best support Port Tow.
Use the Public Art Plan to support the regular commissioning of new public art as well as
investing in promotion and maintenance of the collection so that it reflects
creative identity and enhances civic infrastructure.
Build on momentum and accomplishments from 2026 to support Port
cultural life through PTAC programs, including but not limited to:
o Poet Laureate: conduct search for and choose 2028-2029 laureate; support current
2027 portfolio of projects
o Arts Awards: continue to refine successful reimagined format from 2025; hold
2026 awards ceremony and launch 2027 nominations
o Grants: continue to reduce barriers and streamline program so that funds have
most possible impact on public and artist benefit.
Clarify to the work of both the Lodging Tax Advisory Committee
(LTAC) and Port Townsend Creative District so that together these City programs can
collaborate and coordinate on progress towards goals set forth in the Arts & Culture Plan
and Creative Economy subsection of the Comprehensive Plan (Economic Development).
2027 Draft PTAC Budget for Discussion
Item2026 BudgetDraft 2027 Budget NOTES
REVENUE
Allocation$ 49,800.00
Grants
1% for Public Art
EXPENSES
Programs
Grants to Artists $ 30,000.00 $ 33,000.00
Artist-in-Residence Pilot $ 5,000.00
Poet Laureate $ 1,500.00 $ 1,500.00 Stipend for year 2
$ 2,000.00 $ 2,500.00 For poet laureate program projects
Public Art
1% for Public Art 1% Determined includes maintenance
includes award fabrication commission, event,
Mayor's Arts Awards $ 7,500.00 $ 6,500.00
marketing
Marketing/Outreach $ 1,200.00 $ 1,200.00
Print / Web Publication
Creative Assets
Photo/Video $ 6,500.00 Grantee videos for artist and city use
Application Software$ 100.00$ 100.00Fillout
TOTAL$ 48,800.00$ 49,800.00
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Council Chambers: All right, I will call the meeting of the Fort Townsend
Arts Commission to order at 3.01 PM, and read our welcome and statement
of purpose.
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Council Chambers: The role of this commission is to advise city
government in order to facilitate public arts programs that enhance the
cultural life of community residents, promote and encourage programs that
further the development and public awareness of, as well as the interest
in all forms of the arts.
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Council Chambers: The Arts Commission also works to strengthen artists'
opportunities, visibility, and vitality within our community.
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Council Chambers: The rest of that is just out of join if you're not
here.
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Council Chambers: All right.
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Council Chambers: Let's, go around the room, see who's here. Doug Caskey,
Arts Commissioner, Chair.
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Council Chambers: Dan? Simon Lynch, Commissioner.
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Council Chambers: Will somebody go? Oh, sorry. I'm Lonnie, the Deputy
City Clerk.
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Council Chambers: Melody Skyweaver, Community Services Director. Katy
Goodman, Arts and Culture Coordinator, Staff Liaison to PFAC.
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Council Chambers: Katy Tolman, Commissioner. Christine Walsh Rogers,
Commissioner. Daniel Rossman, I think I'm gonna start saying it like
this. Vice Chair!
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Libby Wennstrom: Libby Wenstrom, Council Liaison, I'm online.
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Council Chambers: Libby is now online. Yes, she is. As is Austin.
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Council Chambers: All right. Are there any changes to the agenda?
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Council Chambers: Or is there a motion to approve?
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Council Chambers: There we go.
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Council Chambers: Can we just declare that approved if no one says
anything?
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Council Chambers: Good, I think we will. The agenda is approved.
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Council Chambers: Alright, there are two different meeting minutes here.
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Council Chambers: Any changes or comments on the minutes for July 4th?
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Council Chambers: And data has arrived.
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Council Chambers: August? July 4th. I'm sorry, let me try to work on
that. June 4th.
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Council Chambers: Gotcha.
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Council Chambers: If there are no… Changes? Do we have a motion to
approve?
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Council Chambers: I make a motion to approve the general notes.
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Council Chambers: Okay… Yeah, second?
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Council Chambers: That's taken.
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Council Chambers: Thank you, Simon.
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Council Chambers: All in favor?
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Council Chambers: Is it unanimous?
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Council Chambers: And, any opposed? I guess not. Alright, the July…
Second this. Any changes?
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Council Chambers: Corrections, comments.
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Council Chambers: It's very slight. In the second to… third to last box
under member update.
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Council Chambers: we just went around and talked about our different
stuff. It's the Oregon Country Fair.
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Council Chambers: Not a country fair that's got, like, blue ribbons and
pigs and stuff. Country Fair. It's… I only brought it up because it's a
big pet peeve by all the country fairs. You can add an R.
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Council Chambers: Take care. I like it. Okay.
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Council Chambers: County to country.
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Council Chambers: All right, is there a motion to approve the agenda and
amend it? With that, I'll move to.
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Council Chambers: Take it in. We have a second.
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Council Chambers: Excuse me?
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Council Chambers: All in favor of approving the minutes for July 2nd as
amended?
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Council Chambers: You just raise your hand, but it looks like it is
unanimous as well.
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Council Chambers: Okay, any… Public comment.
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Council Chambers: No, no, no. No one's the longest.
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Council Chambers: Actually…
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Council Chambers: This would be kind of… Oh, yes, could I be… I'm not
public, but… I just wanted to, mention the recent passing of Catherine
Burrell, for the record. I worked with her on lots of art stuff. She was
a,
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Council Chambers: a beacon of art's passion and effort in Oregon. So,
that was just recent for passing, I think, last month.
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Council Chambers: So, just wanted that for the record. If it's more
appropriate to move that to somewhere other than public.
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Council Chambers: Good, good. That was really lovely. Bye, Catherine.
She's feisty arts advocate.
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Council Chambers: What are you on that?
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Council Chambers: Absolutely.
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Council Chambers: What part of… Okay,
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Council Chambers: I think the agenda speaks for itself. We have, hello!
Sorry, is this a note about? It is! It is, so… Okay. I mean, we, we just,
this moment, had the opportunity for public comment.
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Council Chambers: Not to put you on the spot, but did you have a comment
you wanted to make, or you're just here to… Okay, that's great, thank
you.
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Council Chambers: I'm not sure I have any,
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Council Chambers: specific comments other than what we're going to
discuss in the agenda? So,
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Council Chambers: I will pass it over to, I guess, Katy. Yeah, Melanie's
not here, and, Rich, sorry, guys, I'm gonna scroll.
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Council Chambers: perhaps, which is always annoying.
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Council Chambers: So, I guess I will give a little treasure update in
her, oh, did you want to do some accessories? That's next. It's next. Oh,
okay.
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Council Chambers: So, yeah, the budget actually, I think, has still
remained unchanged since last meeting.
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Council Chambers: you know, this… I think the… we can expect some more
changes in the next couple of months, because next meeting will be a
grant meeting, where, assumably PTAC might distribute the $7,500 that's
left for grants this year.
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Council Chambers: We are also gonna look at a, you know, a proposal for
an artist to make the art awards for the 2027, or for the 2026
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Council Chambers: Art Awards, that the ceremony will happen in 2027, and
so,
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Council Chambers: That will come out of the budget that we still have
left for the art awards ceremony, for the art awards line item.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, and also, I guess Tyler is out… has been out
collecting videos of many of the grantees who've already done their
projects this year, you know, so that line item is already sort of spoken
for, we just haven't been built for it yet, so we'll probably start
seeing now that it's, you know, approaching the
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Council Chambers: fourth quarter, or whatever, someone says. Numbers
starting to change, although they've been relatively steady for a while.
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Council Chambers: So, does anyone have any other thoughts on budget they
want to talk about? Just a question that $4,400 onto art awards, is that
all going to go for…
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Council Chambers: I don't remember what we said, for the art… for the
awards themselves, or… No, that was a call for artists, that was a $1,500
call for artists, so the remainder of that, generally, is earmarked for
promotions, to get people to nominate, artists, you know, before the end
of 2026.
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Council Chambers: And for any, like, venue fees, and if, you know, if a
venue is secured this year, and that kind of thing, so that'll come out
of that same budget line item. Okay, thank you.
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Council Chambers: You know, the questions about the budget.
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Council Chambers: All right, thank you. Staff update. Oh, okay. Let's
see, I don't have, like, a ton to report for, my staff update, except
Melody shared with me and give her own updates.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, I guess I will, you know, on the skate park
front, I think that's where most of this has been coming through, is
staff updates. We had a really nice gathering on Tuesday at the skate
park with Jesse, the mural artist, and we brought out some materials just
for people to kind of, like, sketch and give ideas, and some sodas, which
are very popular with me.
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Council Chambers: Coca-Cola, so that worked out really well. And yeah, it
was really nice to be there, just kind of spending, like, unstructured
time there, just for people to kind of stop by and see what's up, and
just, like, had lots of different conversations with a lot of the skate
park users, but also, like, a bunch of members of the arts community,
including some members of the commission. Thank you guys for stopping by.
Yeah, it was really, it was really nice, and that project is
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Council Chambers: Moving forward, it feels like we're really in a good…
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Council Chambers: place. Jesse really… Jesse wants a van, if anyone's got
a line on a van for all of the materials.
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Council Chambers: I might. Like, that it would hold large quantities of
paint, and move… and roll. I think those are the two requirements. No,
he'd probably need it for, like… yeah, no, I think you'd want to keep it
from, like, you know, from probably, like, the end of this month through
the…
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Council Chambers: November. To keep up at night to secure the material. I
got it. Yeah, so it'd be sort of like a… How abouta trailer?
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Council Chambers: Sure, I mean, anything, I think, yeah, any, any…
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Council Chambers: We're working it out, or just putting it out there,
because, like, people do sometimes have…
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Council Chambers: Random vehicles they don't use, so it doesn't hurt to
start spreading the word.
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Council Chambers: short-term loan. Supports the arts. Anyway,
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Council Chambers: And there's about probably 2 or 3 weeks' worth of prep
for the skate park, which the Parks Department is working on, and
they're, like, really on it, it's cool. And then they'll… the painting
will probably start, you know.
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Council Chambers: maybe before the end of August would be excellent, but,
like, most likely at the very beginning… beginning of September.
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Council Chambers: Which is interesting timing, because that's also the
exact same time that the farmers market will be starting their street
painting project. So it's kind of exciting to see a lot of… yeah, so
there's going to be a lot of movement around getting, sort of, like.
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Council Chambers: art in the streetscape coming up in the next few weeks,
so it's exciting. The, I know that the farmer's market
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Council Chambers: designer, Helena, they had, like, a stencil-making
party at the community center last night. I didn't know I was able to
make it, but that's also…
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Council Chambers: Yeah. In motion, cool. I'm assuming lots of people came
out for that, too. Yeah, I went by, there was a couple… there were a few
people, I think it went pretty… pretty well. They definitely need
volunteer help, so, like, people want to, like, check that out, and…
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Council Chambers: You know, spread the word all that as well.
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Council Chambers: Was there a formal discussion, like, where you said,
hey, I want to hear some ideas about what you think of what I've proposed
so far, I'm open to changing my imagery, I want to brainstorm some new
ideas or anything, or was it more like… No, it was much more casual than
that, but he did bring sketches of, like, the current iteration of the
concept, and people responded to it, and they were, like, a lot… it was a
much more, like.
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Council Chambers: It wasn't, like, the presentations, you know what I
mean? It was much more, kind of, like.
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Council Chambers: casual… Sure. Right, which felt like the right thing. I
think that people felt more comfortable actually, like, sharing their
ideas in that format than having it be, like, a
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Council Chambers: kind of, like, presentation-like discussion, so… Sorry,
I couldn't attend. I was just curious if he's, like, sticking to, like,
this is my plan? No, he's being really responsive to it. So he's flexible
on change. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, within the boundaries of what the Council
has approved, and what already went through the city, and that sort of
thing, like, you know, the contract
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Council Chambers: states that, like, the concept is part of what was
approved by Council, so it's not like, oh, we're gonna throw this whole
thing out and start over, but, like, kind of with it.
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Council Chambers: the bound… within, sort of, the conceptual framework
that has been approved, it's definitely… there's motion within that
that's directly responsive to, like, the community. Well, and I have
stuff to say about this later when we're talking about the new amendment.
But,
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Council Chambers: Or, yeah, okay. There was one other thing I was gonna
say about that.
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Council Chambers: Oh, I just wanted to say I love the interactive part
that you had, where people could draw on tables, and they could add,
like, elements for, you know, this marine vision that he has, or ocean
theme, so that was great. Well, that was a great way to share ideas
without
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Council Chambers: Like, sometimes it's hard to say, I want this, or I
don't like that, but then to just be able to sort of
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Council Chambers: put it down without having to speak to somebody else
was, I think, a great way to give me feedback.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, I think it was nice, like, especially
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Council Chambers: you know, I think I can say that most people in this
room are, like, very comfortable with that being a way that you
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Council Chambers: share information and share ideas, and, like, that's
not necessarily true of everyone, so the fact that, like, you know, after
we were there for, like, a while, like, kids started coming over, like,
the skaters started coming over, and they just grabbed pens and started
drawing and that sort of thing, and that felt like the way they were
comfortable.
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Council Chambers: like, having, like, making input, or, like, leaving
their mark somehow, you know, as opposed to being like, oh, I've been
thinking about this journal. You know, and stuff like that. Exactly, but
people, everyone's at. So, yeah, it was really good. I like it.
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Council Chambers: So hopefully some jelly… jelly sent out. Yeah, there's
a… people are keen on some sea… some jellyfish and some brightly colored
sea creatures, so we'll see how it gets. Pink dolphins. I love the pink
dolphins. Yeah, yeah.
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Council Chambers: But yeah, so, Melody is a special guest today at PTAC.
Yeah, and I wanted to just talk a little bit about, like, her next
chapter and what's going on. Thank you so much, amazing Katy Goodman. So,
I'm Melody Skyweaver. I have been your Community Services Director for
almost 2 years. Before that, I was Library Director for almost 10, and I
wanted you all to know, if you have not seen it.
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Council Chambers: in the multiple papers, that I'm going to be the next
Washington State Librarian for the Office of Secretary of State, so I've
been appointed by Secretary Steve Hobb, and I will be going to Olympia to
really champion libraries statewide, nationally, and a much bigger level.
Thank you so much. Are you moving to Olympia? Yes. I mean, partly, we
still are based in Kitsap, too, but…
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Council Chambers: be a woman of two worlds, like I've been a woman of two
worlds here, so… but I really wanted to just have some time with the
incredible PTAC commissioners, because I wanted to thank you all for the
incredible work you've done in my tenure here at the City, but most
especially for your courage and support when we created the Community
Services Department to combine parks.
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Council Chambers: library facilities, and to add this new arts component,
and I think one of my proudest things here has been working on developing
the creative district, and navigating that, and bringing it to the city,
and
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Council Chambers: If I get emotional, pardon me, but bringing Katy
Goodman to the city, I think, has just been next level for how we think
about arts and culture in Port Townsend, and I cannot thank you enough,
Katy, for really amplifying the creative district and the work for
artists, and that we can sit here and talk about street painting, and a
mural, and paying local artists to do a variety of work in the community,
and to give
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Council Chambers: people access to their creative heart space for the
last two years is really amazing, and I think it's only going to continue
to build.
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Council Chambers: So, I, wanted to just passionately, since I'm on my way
out.
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Council Chambers: champion you all thinking more about what stable arts
funding looks like, and I really hope that PTAC and our city council and
our city look at what Washington's cultural access funding is. Katy knows
a lot about it. It basically allows local cities and counties to enact a
small local sales tax and use tax.
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Council Chambers: to make stable funding for nonprofit arts, sciences,
and heritage organizations. And,
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Council Chambers: this, I think, is something that's really transforming
communities in Washington that have gone for it, so it's something I
would just hope you will have on the horizon, because under Katy's
leadership, it's only going to continue to grow. With your amazing work
at PTAC, it's only going to continue to grow, so I am hopeful, that you
all can be a part of
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Council Chambers: of keeping this sustained, and not… what I don't want
to see is,
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Council Chambers: the art going backwards or not being able to continue
to sustain this movement. So it's a good time now, while we're in a good
place, to think about how you build for the future, and your leadership
and your dedication to the community and to the arts is just outstanding,
and it's been such an honor to work with you all, and thank you.
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Council Chambers: Thank you for your contribution. What was the name of
that program again? It's called the Cultural Access Funding, so there's a
lot on ArtsWa if you go to that, and it's an RCW that was created,
Inspire Washington has info, too. So I think it's something that, like,
not a lot of people still know about. It's newer within the last couple
of years.
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Council Chambers: 5, 7 years old, maybe, the program. Last few years.
It's, what changed in the last two years was it's now… it's a
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Council Chambers: enacting it, it became councilmanic last, legislative
session, which means now, like, the city council or the county
commissioners could enact it without it going to a referendum, which
means… which I think was the idea… the idea behind that was hopefully
many more,
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Council Chambers: Many more communities would…
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Council Chambers: be able to take advantage of it is sort of a hard
thing. I don't know, it's like a big thing to put something on a… on a
ballot like that. So there's a lot more talk and work that needs to be
done, but having our elected officials understand it, that it could be
citywide or ideally county-wide to really serve Jefferson County, I think
it's a good thing to explore.
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Council Chambers: All the opportunities that you may have.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, I have a lot of information on it if people are
interested. I think we can talk about it at a different meeting and have
something we wanted to get into the details on, or I could put something
together.
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Libby Wennstrom: Katy, I'll reach out to you, but this seems like
something that Culture and Society might want to take up as, you know,
sort of talking through.
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Council Chambers: You're very quiet, Libby. Hold on one second.
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Council Chambers: It doesn't get louder? We've been messing around with
the system.
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Council Chambers: Libby, can you hear us now?
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Libby Wennstrom: I can hear you just fine, can you not hear me?
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Council Chambers: Yeah, you're very quiet. But Libby, that sounds great.
I wouldlove to talk to Culture and Society about this. I think that's a
fantastic idea, so…
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Libby Wennstrom: Okay.
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Council Chambers: Let's do it.
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Libby Wennstrom: Sorry I'm quiet. It's unusual, but…
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Council Chambers: We are just finalizing our agenda for the meeting next
week, too, so I don't know, we could take this, in email, Councilmember
Winstrom and see if maybe it makes sense to have it next week, too.
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Libby Wennstrom: Okay.
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Council Chambers: Thank you. Totally, that'd be great. So, I look forward
to seeing you all.
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Libby Wennstrom: And Melody, congratulations, this is a very big deal,
so…
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Council Chambers: Thank you. Thank you very much. Don't forget us little
people. I won't, and I've already, told the library that I'd love to come
back as your state librarian and introduce the annual community reads.
Oh, great. Oh, great.
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Council Chambers: We will look forward to that. All right, thank you guys
so much. Thank you.
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Council Chambers: Take care, good luck. Oh, and I'm having a goodbye
party on August 27th from 3 to 5. It's Thursday at the library, so
everybody's invited, spread the word. I'll make sure you all get emails,
too, so…
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Council Chambers: Love to see ya. Okay. Thank you, Melody. Better
opportunity to get it out of my library, fine.
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Council Chambers: That is… that is very good news. Yeah, isn't that
great? I'm not sure it's good news for the city, but… She's got the
glasses for it. Yeah. So does that mean her position's open, and how's
that being… I don't know that they've chosen a specific path forward for
that position, if there's room for that to change or stay the same, or…
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Council Chambers: see what happens to city manager. Yeah, I think
there's, you know, there's one…
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Libby Wennstrom: This was just announced last, on Monday, so, I think,
you know, we're…
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Council Chambers: It's brand new information. It's like, you know, like
that. So right now, you and… is it Keith? Yeah. From the library, and I
forget… Michael. Michael from Parks. From Parks and Facilities, yeah. You
guys are kind of…
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Council Chambers: sharing responsibilities, or… Well, I mean, I think our
responsibilities, like, largely stay… I meant, in the interim, I guess,
will the… after Melody leaves… Yeah. …you guys will kind of be…
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Council Chambers: collaborating, or do you have any idea that one? Yeah,
yeah, I mean, we collaborate already, so that's… we're sort of, like, the
team under Melody in the Community Services Department, the three of us.
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Council Chambers: And I don't imagine that changing. You know, what will
probably happen is we'll be more, like, reporting directly to Steve King
until somebody else steps into that role. I mean, for the interim, that's
what I imagine. Libby might be able to speak to this more,
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Council Chambers: Specifically, but, like, like she said, this is all
brand new information, so there's not, like, a, you know… but all, you
know, all of us have been doing what we do for, like, I think we're in
good position to keep, you know, all our projects moving forward, and
that kind of thing, so…
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Council Chambers: Well, yeah, that's good. That is good.
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Council Chambers: Any other… Comments, input questions?
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Council Chambers: All right. Let's move on to old business.
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Council Chambers: Committee reports, starting with the Public Art
Committee. Austin, I believe you are online?
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: I am. Can everyone hear me?
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Council Chambers: Oh, that's gonna be… that's gonna be a problem. We can
barely hear you, anyone.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Okay, I'm talking as loud as I can. Hi,
I'm Austin.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, I don't think it… Alright, wait.
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Libby Wennstrom: We've run into this before. We've run into this before,
and it's some setting that has to happen that the clerk has to change.
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Libby Wennstrom: So…
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Council Chambers: Jack that's loose or something.
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Council Chambers: That was way up.
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Libby Wennstrom: It's, it's that it's not attaching into the right.
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Council Chambers: my speakers are…
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Libby Wennstrom: Something?
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Council Chambers: It's on all the way. We just.
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Libby Wennstrom: Interesting.
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Libby Wennstrom: Yeah.
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Council Chambers: Alright, topic again.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Is this any better?
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Council Chambers: That's another…
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Bill?
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Council Chambers: It was while she's pulling that up, and we're waiting
to talk about.
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Libby Wennstrom: Because on the phone, Austin sounds fine to me. He
sounds normal, so it's something to.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Yeah.
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Libby Wennstrom: The speaker in the room.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: I can hear everybody great. I can also…
I'm not sure if there's a speakerphone in there I could call in as well.
Just let me know what works best.
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Council Chambers: Can you hear sometime? Inter… interact with the people.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Yeah, I can hear you.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, yay. Lovely. Hi, Austin.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Okay, any better?
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Hi again, Austin Watkins, City Attorney.
So, just to give a brief overview, we're here for an informational
briefing on, potential updates to Chapter 1211 PTMC, which is the Street
Painting Code, on,
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: May 18th, City Council directed the City
Attorney's Office to look at Chapter 1211 for consistency with First
Amendment issues and updates in federal and state laws. We took a look at
that code, and we essentially are recommending some light edits to it.
The code edits that are proposed don't really change much, but primarily
confirm what we're already doing.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: And it's really the three big takeaways
from this is that, it first confirms that street paintings
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: that they are public arts, and that they
are on public right-of-way and public property, and that that is city or
what's known as government speech. Therefore, we can have viewpoint
discrimination, at the direction of City Council on what viewpoints they
wish to express, through their arts program, within their own public
property, public right-of-way.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: The second thing that this does is
clarifies, really, the scope of applicability of Chapter 1211. It
confirms that
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: The city's art and public spaces policy
applies, to future applications. There may be some harmonization between
that policy and this code that may be required in the future, since that
code's back from 2007, almost 20 years old, but still in, sorry, policies
from 2007, but still a pretty good space.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: And the third thing it does is just, it
provides further editorial control to the City Council, as well as, the
PTAC and HPC, through recommendations of the City Council, for street
painting applications, switching from an approval criteria, which is more
limiting, to approval guidelines, which does give more discretion to.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: both the recommendation as well as the
ultimate decision for City Council of what public art to accept on their
public property.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Really, all of this comes down to the,
kind of, the tests under the First Amendment. Whenever the
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: government regulates private speech on
public property. We typically have to have regulations that are what's
known as content neutral or viewpoint neutral, meaning that you cannot
favor one speaker over another, or one viewpoint over another. There is
an exception to that, and that exception is known as the government
speech doctrine, and basically what that means is the government is
adopting a viewpoint
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: it's speaking for itself and exercising,
basically, its own, you know, First Amendment rights.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: And the three-part test to whether that
exception applies or not, or whether it's regulation of private speech,
is the history of expression issue.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: The public's likely perception as to who
is speaking, whether that's a government or a private individual.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: and the extent to which the government has
actively shaped or controlled the expression. That's the basic three-part
test. There was a relatively recent Supreme Court case in 2022, that was
Sureflett versus City of Boston. Just to give you a quick overview of
kind of what happened in that case, there was a flagpole, three flags, I
believe, at the City of Boston's public,
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: public area that's outside City Hall, and
they had a long-standing,
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: unofficial policy of allowing any
individual organization to put their flags up, for certain events, or to
commemorate certain months. Eventually, someone came in, tried to put a
flagpole up that the city disagreed with, and they denied that
application, and they were sued, went to the Supreme Court, and the
Supreme Court
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: exercising, adequate control over what
viewpoints they wanted expressed at the OM's flagpoles, that it was a
public forum. So whenever we have a public forum, or a limited form, or a
non-public forum,
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: We, again, cannot regulate from a
viewpoint standpoint, again, unless it's government speech.
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Austin Watkins,City Attorney: And really, kind of the way of thinking
about this, there's another case back in the 2009 Supreme Court, that
held that
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: the city's acceptance, it was a Utah case,
the city's acceptance of a statue at a city public park was, government
speech, because they were determining what type of statue they would
allow to be, on display at their own public property, and that they had a
history of, essentially
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: discerning what type of statues they
wanted to accept. So that really kind of is the three-part test we're
looking at. That's what the city has historically done here with street
paintings.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: And the role of this really is just to
clarify, that the city can have viewpoint discrimination when it's
appropriate and when it's consistent with, publicly held values. So we
are proposing some edits to that code to, again, go from approval
criteria, which is more limiting to giving more discretion to Council to.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Actively look at guidelines, and then make
a decision of what's in the best interest of the city.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: So, kind of a lot there. I'm happy to take
questions. Sorry, I kind of jammed a lot in a very short time frame, but,
basically the question is, is,
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Do we want a clearer code, or do we want
one that's a little more ambiguous?
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Which is what we have right now.
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Council Chambers: Going down to some of the actual edits here.
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Council Chambers: Guys, so… Could you say all that again?
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Most of the time.
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Council Chambers: Can I ask you a question, Austin?
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Of course!
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Council Chambers: From a legal perspective, is it better to be… More
ambiguous, or less ambiguous?
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: So, let me use the term ambiguous just
now. I mean it in a way of whether or not we are creating some form of a
public forum, or whether it's a government speech. I want this city to be
very crystal clear that this is government speech.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: And not that that's a bad thing, actually,
that's a very good thing, because it gives the authority to accept that
art to the elected officials of the city.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: And in terms of ambiguous, I think you may
be referring to probably the approval criteria versus guidelines.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: And in that case, I would argue that some
ambiguity is actually preferential, because it'll give, again, discretion
to Council and to this commission to make recommendations, and to
ultimately say yes or no to things that are
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Council Chambers: That was kind of my perception, but I wanted to hear it
from the legal side. Thank you.
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Council Chambers: Okay. Yeah, this is Dan. Thanks for the presentation.
So this sort of speaks to the ambiguity question, but the way I read
this, then.
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Council Chambers: is it does task the Arts Commission to carry forth some
sort of a… Sentiment, or a,
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Council Chambers: a vibe of town into the deliberations as to what to
recommend to Council. So it's almost like, in the past, we've looked at…
we've weighed against artistic merit.
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Council Chambers: You know, leaning on our mission statement, something
about, you know, high-caliber art to the masses, that's our role. But now
this looks… and I'm not naysaying this, I'm just looking for clarity, it
looks as though…
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Council Chambers: We need to sort of channel what Council's idea of what
would be appropriate
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Council Chambers: to place in the public realm, as far as public art. We
need to sort of channel that idea to the deliberation itself, so we're
only handing over stuff that sort of
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Council Chambers: passes muster on those particular weighing components.
In other words, they can only approve stuff that actually gets past our
gateway, the way this is written. And they, so they can either say yay or
nay, but they can't say yes to anything that we don't recommend.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: I… I don't read it that way. So this is…
we didn't change the recommendation process
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: through this code update, we basically
kept that in the same process, and we might be able to clarify that as
well, but it would just be a recommendation to the City Council. I don't
believe the way the codes are written would require a recommendation of
approval, so you could recommend denial, for example, and then the
ultimate decision would be with Council.
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Council Chambers: PTAC could say, PTAC doesn't support this.
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Council Chambers: particular project, but the Council could still prove…
still choose to approve it, if they wish. They could override that
decision. So, when we do votes for something where we decide not to
support it, we're still then forwarding that recommendation to not
support it to Council?
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Council Chambers: My understanding is for something like this, which is a
community, like.
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Council Chambers: proposed project, yes. I don't think that that's the
case for something like a donation of art, or whatever that goes through
the standard arts and public policy
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Council Chambers: AP4, you know, process, because that's… but this is,
like, someone specifically saying, like, we want to do this, and then it
has to go through, like, several steps to decide whether the city is
like, yeah, we think that's a good idea or not, right?
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Yeah, and if I can just jump on there,
Katy, thank you so much. I agree entirely. So this could be a community-
sponsored event, and we… we could… PTAC could say, for example, we
recommend denial of that, and then Council could say yes or no to that.
It could also be a, you know, city-initiated or PTAC-sponsored, you know,
street painting as well.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: That require approval. And just to
clarify, one point that I didn't make that I probably need to make is
that the city would be accepting community-based art, so let's say that a
community-based organization wants to do a painted crosswalk somewhere in
the city. And this, and PTAC says, you know, recommends approval, City
Council recommends, says yes to it, approves it. That would be…
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: a gift of public art, essentially, to the
city. So the city would be accepting that public art as a gift. And that
may require some slight changes to the,
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: art public spaces policy from 2007. Just
to harmonize that that is, you know, the city accepting that art.
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Council Chambers: And follow-up question to Dan's comment. Austin, this…
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Council Chambers: The memorandum you presented only applies to street
painting.
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Council Chambers: public visual arts, not to necessarily our grant
process, or any… Any non-physical
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: So, it applies to all street paintings.
So, essentially, any permit or semi-permit, it does not apply to chalk,
for example. That's a whole different conversation. So, it would apply
to, for example, the farmer's market that would recently, you know, went
through the process that was, I believe, in part sponsored by the city
through funding, so that would apply in that case.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Does that answer your question?
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Council Chambers: Yeah, I think so. It's just for street painting. It's
not gonna change the process for other kinds of public artwork.
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Council Chambers: Okay. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: I don't want to jump out of turn. No, go ahead.
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Council Chambers: It's Dan again. So, I had a couple other questions.
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Council Chambers: on the idea of the editorial control, so I read
editorial control as, like, able to change, or can have influence over
the visual outcome. The way I'm seeing that is, like, we had some
editorial control with the, sidewalk mural uptown, the rainbow, because
we…
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Council Chambers: It was proposed with the subject matter in the
application.
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Council Chambers: before you joined us, you know, going back a few years,
the Black Lives Matter mural, so that was approved by Council too, but
that was subject matter that was
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Council Chambers: open to the public to apply at the time. That was a
concern of mine at the time, because we couldn't really weigh the A
through G criteria without knowing what the subject matter would be. That
was something I brought up at the time. So, if this
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Council Chambers: amendment were enacted prior to the Black Lives Matter
mural, we probably would have asked for more
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Council Chambers: subject matter to review, but then that brings us to
our current mural, and I went back to the minutes to see the motion was
passed. We didn't make the motion to approve his art proposal, we made a
motion to approve the artist. Right. So even in our current mural, it
wouldn't have stuck because we approved the artist, who's now open to
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Council Chambers: changing it after Council's approved, the mural,
without knowing what the subject matter is? Yeah, that's why this is
asking more about it. It's not street painting. Like, this is a totally
different process. Like, the mural process went through the call for
artists, it went through the AP4. This is, like, this stands next to it,
but not… they're not the same.
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Libby Wennstrom: And it's also what we approved was an artist's concept.
We didn't actually approve a final design. We approved a selection of an
artist with a… based on their conceptual application. So there's a nuance
there. But again, that's not a street painting.
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Council Chambers: And…
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Yeah, both.
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Council Chambers: Oh, sorry, go ahead, Austin.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: I was gonna say, on both of those, the
city kind of, again, retains control. The City Council does. As Libby was
mentioned, it's a concept that's approved in the way the contract was
written for the mural, for example. I believe it's any substantial or
major deviations would have to go back to Council for approval. So there
is wiggle room for the artist to, you know, change things, but the idea
is the city agrees with the concept, agrees with the message that's being
expressed, and, you know, accepts that message.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Right? So, an example of, you know,
accepting a message A versus message Z, there might be some wiggle room
between, you know, A1, 2, or 3 versus going all the way to Z. So, again,
it's more of a concept level, but so they can make some changes to it.
But that would generally apply to any ARC the city is accepting, as for
the government speech exception to apply.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: we… the city does need to kind of maintain
control over that message, if that makes sense. Again, not 100%, but
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Generally speaking, per concept level.
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Council Chambers: I will say this proposal addresses a lot of the
concerns that I've had over the last few years, and I think this is a
cleaner way to write it, and make it First Amendment speech by the city,
rather than the public forum concept. I think that's going to be safer
for us. That's what we'd recommend, I think, if we really talk about it
for a while.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: And there's a good amount of litigation,
just to build on that really quickly. That's kind of post-BLM, that came
out of the… a lot of the East Coast.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: federal district courts, about this topic,
and most of the courts favored with the, government jurisdictions finding
that it was, government speech, at least from BLM. There was, one, I
believe, one or two holdings from… from Florida, it's where they found it
was not government speech, but I think the fact patterns were a little
different there, but
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: I do think it's important we make these
clarifications just to affirm to the public that this has been government
speech and will continue to be government speech.
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Council Chambers: And Austin, like, I think generally this actually
doesn't change things very dramatically, in my understanding, right? And
doesn't change PTAC's role super dramatically, but I think that the next
step for
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Council Chambers: like, the Public Art Committee, for example, would be
to look at this alongside the Arts in public places as we work on that
revision, and then continue to work with you on kind of harmonizing those
documents and making sure that we're, like, retaining the right things.
We're not doing, like, a huge revision of that, we're just kind of
cleaning it up and modernizing it a little bit, but it feels like
there's…
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Council Chambers: The opportunity to make sure that this all aligns well
at this point.
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Council Chambers: Point.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Exactly.
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Council Chambers: Well, and I also feel like as a commissioner who is… I
mean, this is not a paid or elected role, right? So this puts a lot of
the onus
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Council Chambers: In the end, on paid and or elected personnel, where
we're providing guidance, rather than, us maybe exposing ourselves to
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Council Chambers: Some concerns that… We're, you know, having a bias one
way or another. Right.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, and I think as an advisory board to council,
that's how it should work, right? Plus, thinking, you know, I think of
this current configuration, and I've said to somebody, I really like the
way we've had healthy dissension in this group, and been able to
disagree, but still discuss things.
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Council Chambers: And that won't… that doesn't necessarily always hold
true for every configuration of every group, so putting this all in the
documentation.
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Council Chambers: Perpetuates the idea of good, good, you know? Yeah.
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Council Chambers: Sort of good discourse.
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Council Chambers: Austin, do you need action from PTAC on this
memorandum?
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: We don't. I was really here just for an
informational briefing to get feedback from the commissioners, if you all
have any, you know, major concerns before we take it to Council,
hopefully on Monday nights. So really quick burn on this. So no, we
don't, but if there are any questions or direction from, PTAC, happy to
take that.
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Council Chambers: Any other comments or questions on this?
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Council Chambers: I'm sad.
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Council Chambers: So, what it does from the existing to the proposal is
it takes item G, which is one that we spent a lot of time talking about
back when this
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Council Chambers: code was first brought up a few years ago. What we
wanted with item G was an area where the individual commissioners that
were brought in to here based on their expertise, that's what the city
uses.
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Council Chambers: could use their subjective… subjectivity component.
This is… this is where it's not definable, it has to be everybody kind of
defining it with… on their own. And I really like that, because the
others are pretty obvious, like, what is a violent image, what's a
sexually graphic image? Pretty easy, we could look at it. But then we had
this subjective item G, so that's…
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Council Chambers: kind of removed in the next one, but given to Council
to decide on.
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Council Chambers: So, that means that's not part of our weighing
criteria, or would that just be something that we'd consider in our
recommendation, that, hey, this would be offensive based on
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Council Chambers: general perceptions of the community and blah blah
blah, like, it's sort of taking… it's sort of sharing the responsibility
with Council versus us giving them a recommendation. Is that… am I
reading it right?
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: So, you would use the same approval
guidelines as Council in making your recommendations. So, you'd look at
the same factors Council would look at. And we did keep… I propose to
keep most of those factors in, in
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: kind of intact. So, the way that it would
work under the proposed code within guidelines versus criteria, and it
would be, you know, whether it positively promotes and enhances public
space, that is consistent with the character and community values, and
adds the unique vibrancy of the city. And then when reviewing this,
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: You would also look at the approval
criterias from, you know, from the existing code.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: I did, I did change that approval criteria
G, so it's kept in there, and it does kind of shift that burden a little
over to Council, that Council should deny any proposals, that essentially
include that inappropriates, criteria. So, while I would encourage, PTAC
to look at that in making a recommendation.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: That really is for Council's ultimate
decision,
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: in approving it. So it's not necessarily a
per se approval guideline for PTAC to look at, but it's something I'd
probably recommend that you look at holistically, whether or not you want
to accept this arts under the factors.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: We also can strike that if you, if you
think that it's,
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: not needed. I… I'm not sure that we
actually need that code language, but…
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Council Chambers: Might be helpful for Council. Too much, but it really
raises some questions, like, if we… say we were to get another Black
Lives Matter mural, request similar to this, under… before, under item G,
if we had known what the subject matter was, we could have had a
discussion about
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Council Chambers: I think it was in the bee itself was a clenched black
fist, which has, historically, a meaning.
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Council Chambers: And some people might decide on the commission that
that's definitely in the best interest of the city, because we should be
in touch with our history, we live in a country that has this history,
like, you know, in the best interest. Then again, that might be
inappropriate to some people in our community.
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Council Chambers: It could be, you know, it might be interpreted that
way. It's just really hard, and this is important because we do a lot…
this… I think one of the most important things our commission does is
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Council Chambers: deliberate on these items and help advise the code that
shapes the art policy, so it's worth a discussion on that. For sure, but
do you… you don't think that's captured under, like, item A in the
consistent with the character violence? No, I think a lot of people would
say it's not a violent image, it's a stand up for yourself. No, but it
says… no, above. Oh, A123. A123 are sort of three… They're, like, three
relatively subjective criteria. Oh, right there.
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Council Chambers: discussion, where I… where it says specifically, like,
PTAC,
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Council Chambers: You know, is considering it against these things, as
opposed to the ones that are a little more clear-cut.
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Council Chambers: to me, that feels like it covers the… what you're
saying, and I understand why that's important to you, but I don't… I
don't think moving the specific language kind of out of that section,
like, takes away that…
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Council Chambers: You know, takes away that.
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Council Chambers: I'd just like a little wiggle room where we can talk
about what to put forward, but I guess that still pertains, because we
have to weigh these three criteria. Right, exactly. And it seems to me
that, you know, Austin, rewording what was…
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CouncilChambers: paragraph G into Section C now, really puts that onus
onto the City Council.
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Council Chambers: And takes it off our plate. We can still address the
topic. Yeah, yeah, we can, but, you know, that falls under one, two, or
three paragraphs. I can't put something in public record at the same
time, right? Yeah. I'm a little concerned about time. No, no, it's an
important discussion, we just have quite a, like, packed agenda, so…
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Okay, awesome.
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Council Chambers: Thank you.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Thank you all so much, and I, you know,
after… I think I'm going to sit on this a little bit tonight, but I do
think that I might propose that we strike, under, 1211040C, the existing
language from, whether or not it's foreseeable to result in harm or
disruption or anything, or it's used to see the property, just because I
think it's unnecessary, given the other approval criteria, and it was
kind of a holdover from the previous language, which is designed more of
a
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: public forum, limited public forum
context. I don't think it's really needed right now.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, I would… I would agree with that, Austin. I think
that that makes sense. It's kind of… it kind of, like, just muddies it a
little bit more than feels necessary, honestly. Well, and it's…
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Council Chambers: It's city council's, issue, not ours. Right. And not to
pass the box, but I think, yeah.
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Council Chambers: As I understand that. All right. The big, big, big
money, right, Libby? Austin, thank you very much. Yeah, thank you.
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Austin Watkins, City Attorney: Thank you all.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, thank you, Austin. Always good to have you, by
the way. All right, the Grants Committee.
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Council Chambers: We… we met last week? Week before? I… I don't know. Was
it? Okay. Anyway, there are recommendations here. Sorry, guys, I'm going
through the whole AP4, which is this package.
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Council Chambers: Do you want to run over these, or…
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Council Chambers: No. Okay, alright. I mean, I think, the immediate
recommendations for next month's meeting were to cancel in-person,
presentations. We're…
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Council Chambers: There's a real concern that, you know, the people who
can make it have an advantage over the people who can't make it.
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Council Chambers: Everybody's welcome to come to the meeting, and
encouraged to come to the meeting, but…
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Council Chambers: You know, let's not rely on in-person presentations,
especially since that also makes us under a real time crunch for our
evaluations and discussions.
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Council Chambers: And then once the September… I guess it closes at the
end of this month, once the application deadline for the September
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Council Chambers: grants closes, we shut down the portal so that we can
revamp it with some of the changes that theCommission elects to make.
Those might include our recommendation, limiting an award to no more than
$2,500.
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Council Chambers: So we don't have, especially in the last round, we had,
you know, some great proposals that were, 15,000 or more, and
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Council Chambers: Add clarity around residency and event locations.
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Council Chambers: Give people a chance to upload a video of their work,
oral presentation,
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Council Chambers: kind of what they would be doing in a public
presentation, but do it online so that we can all look at it ahead of
time. Simplify the reporting, add a mixer, which I think is Katy's
suggestion, it's a great idea. Review and edit the guidelines and FAQs,
as I said, we'll
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Council Chambers: Update the portal, and increase, if possible, the link
between the application deadline and our review of it at a meeting, so we
can pose questions, perhaps, if need be, just so we're not under as much
time crunch.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, right now there's a two-week gap, like, it's
usually the third, like, the…
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Council Chambers: Yeah, it's a Thursday, and then the Thursday two weeks
later is when the review meeting is, and that can be certainly, like,
made longer. And I have a question, not on the grants committee, but a
thought I've had about simplification is,
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Council Chambers: You know, we have a certain block of money that we give
in each round of grants, and before we even see what the applicants and
the requests are, is to maybe think about how
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Council Chambers: You know, like, we…
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Council Chambers: We spread a lot very thin. And instead, do we want to
look at a number like $7,500 and say we're going to do one $2,500 award?
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Council Chambers: two $1,000 awards, and two… five… I don't know if I
just did the math right, but something, like, along those lines, so that
coming in, instead of us having this discussion and trying to spend a lot
of time assigning values.
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Council Chambers: We know we're going to give 8 awards, this is what they
look like for this round, and we make our best decisions.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, I think we had a similar discussion in the Grants
Committee, I feel like, what did… it felt like…
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Council Chambers: There was some… concern about that? That might, like,
sort of…
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Council Chambers: you know, some people just ask for a very modest sum,
and, like, it's nice to be able to award it, and, like, you know, it just
felt like maybe the constriction of that didn't… didn't land super hard
with you guys. Does that sound right? Or, like… Yeah, I think it would be
difficult to know ahead of time what the applications are going to look
like if we have
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Council Chambers: you know, 10 applications for $500, and we said, well,
we're only going to give 6 applica… 6 grants for $500. Is there a point?
Sure, okay. But, I mean, I…
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Council Chambers: I think that was our thinking about, you know,
limiting… Yeah, maybe somewhere to play with that in there, not so much
as having it so fixed ahead of time, but maybe us thinking of some
formulas that help us make that…
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Council Chambers: final bit go faster, so we don't spend as much time,
like, doing…
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Council Chambers: I think… I think having the top, like, just setting
that top award limit was sort of, like, the first step. Yeah, yeah, I
like that. Seeing how that felt. Yeah, and if that felt like it made it a
little easier, then that was good, and maybe there's, like, room to
continue. Sure. You know, I think that was sort of the… that's what I
remember kind of coming out of the meeting, yeah. This is after a couple
of them, that's the one thing I feel like, as a committee, we've spent
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Council Chambers: A lot of time on at the end, is how to best Spread the
dollars out.
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Council Chambers: And ideally, each year, the budget will increase,
right? So, whether it's, like, a number or a percentage…
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Council Chambers: Yeah, percentages might be easier if you do that. I
mean, one thing that we could work on is, like, because we did develop
this rubric this year that I think people appreciated, is that the rubric
could do math.
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Council Chambers: You know what I mean? And that could maybe… maybe that
wouldn't be the final decision, but it could take, you know, based on the
score there, it could take the…
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Council Chambers: You know, and if people have more time to spend with it
and fill out the rubric and stuff, we'd have better information from
which to, like, derive those numbers, and so that could all kind of help
towards that.
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Council Chambers: the root group doesn't do math yet, but we could teach
it how, yeah. The timeline that you're wanting to increase between the
closing of the applications and the grant meeting, does that include a
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Council Chambers: extra meeting in between where we would… No, no, it
would just give people more time to spend with the application. My vision
of that is that it would give us time to say, hey, we feel like this
piece of information is missing.
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Council Chambers: So we can go back to the applicant. I don't know…
Right, that was also an idea, is if there's more time, then…
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Council Chambers: then the commissioners could review things earlier, and
then if there's missing information, since if we're not going to have
people come and do in-person presentations anymore, there'd be time to
kind of reach out and get some of those questions answered. So you could
be like, oh, I really like this application, but I'm not sure about this
part, and then we could reach out to the person and say, like, hey,
what's up with this part?
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Council Chambers: get that information back to the Commission to
integrate into their thinking.
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Council Chambers: I was just thinking about that. The nice part about
having people here, even if they're not presenting, is we can ask them a
quick question.
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Council Chambers: But then that means there's an edge over attendees
versus not. So maybe either having an attendee for questions or a hotline
number that someone just keeps near them. As far as uploading videos and
stuff, I kind of had a quick conversation with Lonnie about that a couple
meetings ago. I saw him roll his eyes, like, oh, great. Like, it's
actually a little more complicated than it sounds to take that and make
it all public.
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Council Chambers: publicly accessible before… I don't know.
Predominantly, the only thing I can see is that… I mean, if you upload a
YouTube video, we can set the link, yeah. …and you can go to it. But
private videos? This is on my phone.
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Council Chambers: Right. There's no way for me to put it in a PDF form,
Matt, so… Well, then the link could work, probably could see it. I like
that idea. I guess I imagine that it'd be more like, you know how I've
been sending out the folders ahead of time with information in them?
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Council Chambers: So you'd be able to review the video before the
meeting. It wouldn't be something I'm playing in the meeting. Yeah. And
for the sake of time, I mean, I think this is an important discussion.
Yeah.
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Council Chambers: correct me if I'm wrong here, but the only immediate
action items would be under immediate recommendations, and everything
else are things that we can continue to discuss as the Commission before
we get to the next…
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Council Chambers: before the end of the year. I mean, doesn't… well, if
we close the portal after the deadline, we can decide, or the Commission
can decide whatever schedule it wants for 2027, which I think is one of
the… you know, and then we can just… I can put up something on the
website that says, like.
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Council Chambers: More, yeah, yeah, yeah, like, grants will reopen in
2027 with deadlines, like, keep… check back or whatever. So, I think
that, you know, that yeah, there's much… there's… there's time to dig
deeper into, like, the rest of these conversations in the, you know,
meetings that are still, happening in 2026, so…
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Council Chambers: And I think, you know, those are very important
questions. Yeah. You know, I just…
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Council Chambers: now that I've said that, as a distraction, you know,
one of the other things we talked about was perhaps, when we get to
budget later in this meeting, maybe redirecting the money that's now
going to the video program into an alternate artist in residence program.
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Council Chambers: gave the Poet Laureate at a…
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Council Chambers: Artists in residence that rotates every year between.
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Council Chambers: Visual art, music, performance,
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Council Chambers: Whatever. Theater film. Theater film, culinary.
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Council Chambers: Right. So it'd be, like, an artist… an artist laureate
to kind of go with the laureate. A laureate. Yeah. Wait a minute. So
because… because these, recommendations came out of, like, a
subcommittee, which isn't actually allowed to make decisions, only the
full commissions made decisions, I do think we probably would need, like,
a motion for, like.
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Council Chambers: immediate recommendations, and the rest could be
continued to discuss. So, could I just ask for clarity? Would we be
canceling the in-person presentations by applicants and still inviting
them to the meeting, but also letting them know that if they want to
create the video where there's a link that could be put in their packet?
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Council Chambers: Is that something we can do? We have a link in… we have
a link at the very last page of our original call that actually works.
Because that'd be easy for him, versus people sending in their home
video, like he said. Well, here's the thing, the question has to be, is
how much is that… how much is that video going to sway you whenever it
comes to, I didn't send in the video?
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Council Chambers: Yeah. I mean, I have a question… clarifying question.
Does it… is it…
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Council Chambers: Is it our problem, or is it on us that, like.
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Council Chambers: whoever shows up gets a slight advantage. I mean, isn't
that okay?
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Council Chambers: Only an advantage to where, like, if you were asking
questions like.
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Council Chambers: say, oh, did you get funded for this last year? I mean,
that's something we could look up. Like, that might be something you want
to know, and it's always quick and easy to ask them.
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Council Chambers: Or, oh yeah, we're getting some, you know, I guess
it's… a lot of it's in the application. Yeah, I mean, revamping the edge…
the… revamping the application so that it does actually capture all of
the information that is wanted by the Commission is, like, part of the
idea, right, of moving forward, so that…
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Council Chambers: I just don't think we need to do extra work just to
make up for people that don't… that aren't able to be present for
whatever reason.
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Council Chambers: I just… my thought about that is, I mean, I agree, and,
you know, if I've got a day job I can't get out of, that automatically
disadvantages my proposal.
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Council Chambers: So, the presentations, we've mentioned this before, it
does give us a sort of…
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Council Chambers: ability to touch base with our arts people in town.
Right. You get to see a face with a name of an organization. That's one
of the perks of this job. It is, yeah. That was one of the… that was the
idea of… that… that came up of adding sort of, like, a mixer at the end
of the year instead, so, like, all… inviting all the grantees to
something together. I know, or whatever. Well, but we talked about it,
maybe you do that in lieu of a written report, so it's, like, semi-
mandatory.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, you know, or whatever, because I do agree, I
mean, to me, that's, like, the best thing about…
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Council Chambers: those meetings is you get to see all these people doing
different projects that you wouldn't see otherwise. But I don't think
that's really necessarily a super fair reason to make them do something
relatively inconvenient. Right. And also, like, you know, if people show
up, if they're present, we're gonna…
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Council Chambers: interact with them. And what I would hate to see is,
like, inviting them to come, but then, like, decreasing our interaction
with them.
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Council Chambers: when they take the time to come to the meeting. How
would it work? Would we even have them introduce themselves, or would we
only just, if we had a question on an application, say, is someone from
this group here? I don't… Because otherwise it gives an edge just to even
knowing who showed up. That's… I mean, that's the… that's why I think
it's actually better not to do it. And I think… I think because we had
already said in the past.
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Council Chambers: like, that we've done this, and we hadn't sort of
canceled it already, it felt right to still say, like, hey, you can come,
we're not gonna do these 3-minute presentations, but come if you want to.
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Council Chambers: You know what I mean? Like, because it's already sort
of been advertised out there, and people… but I think in general, moving
forward, it's more equitable just not to do that. Like, it's very unusual
for, like, a grant giving… making organization to do that. You don't
usually do that. So then the idea is if we have a question, we have to…
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Council Chambers: propose it to them before the meeting, so we can answer
it. Yeah, so it sort of makes it more… Yeah, it kind of makes it more on
the commissioners to do the homework, honestly, is what it does, and I
think that that's fair.
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Council Chambers: And I think, you know… It's almost like you guys
thought this out. Sorry. I think for September, what I'm envisioning is…
if I… I don't speak for you, but we would like more time for the
Commission to,
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Council Chambers: deliberate.
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Council Chambers: Whereas I think we take up a lot of our time with the
presentations, many of which are kind of reading verbatim what they put
in their application.
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Council Chambers: And the people who have a good presentation probably do
have an advantage. Or a nice smile.
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Council Chambers: That shouldn't be why you get a grant. Yeah, you're
right, you're right. Yeah, it shouldn't. Mr. Temple's over here. So… so,
is there any more discussion on… on this? You guys ever…
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Council Chambers: Change your mind because you talked to someone?
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Council Chambers: The example I would bring up was the first round we did
this year, where the lady from the woodworking, you know, she raised her
hand and said.
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Council Chambers: you know, I need to know now in order to order the wood
to be able to complete the project by the end of the year. Right. And
that's why usually, like, a very standard grant question is a timeline,
and, like, when you need funding by, and, you know, there's a number of
things, I think, that would
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Council Chambers: Change a little bit in this process, and one of which
is that, like.
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Council Chambers: the applicants would have to be a little more careful,
and the other is that the commissioners would have to be a little more
careful, and I don't think that either of those things is, like, wrong to
ask for, personally. Yeah, I think clarifying the timeline question, what
are the factors that… Right, or like, would… if you didn't get funding
this round, could you… we can even… I mean, we can put that in the
application. Like, that's a good question to ask, because, like, you
know… I'm just wondering how many times have you been swayed
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Council Chambers: I'm listening to the…
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Council Chambers: the videos and everything, how many times have you been
swayed by two people sitting there? Good question. To say, okay, I was
going to think about giving this person, but they made a really good
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Council Chambers: That happened with Yvonne last… Right. Last time.
Yvonne would not have gotten funded if it hadn't been online. And so
that's kind of what I'm saying, so we're going to get rid of that, and
we're going to look at the paperwork, and that's what we're going to make
decisions off of, just the paperwork. I mean, in the last round, I will
say there was somebody who I thought I would want to give a grant to, and
then in listening and comparing it to the others, realized that they need
to do more.
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Council Chambers: work on their grant request. And someone else that I
thought.
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Council Chambers: There's not really any way I'm gonna…
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Council Chambers: look for that, and in the end, I was like, yeah, we
should give the guy a couple… Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.
What's this llama thing? Yeah. So what you're saying is, what you're
saying is, so the meeting will come up, we'll do whatever, our normal
business, and then we'll go into grants, and then it'll just be
discussion. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: Correct. And then we'll make the decision at that point
in time. Right. And we're…
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Council Chambers: That seems like… I mean, it's all… pretty much, it's
always in your hands anyway, so I mean, pretty much as you just know what
you're going to do. Is that a motion? No. But you're discussing it at
that point in time. Yeah. Well, we do need a motion, which would be to,
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Council Chambers: Accept or amend the immediate recommendations from the
grant committee.
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Council Chambers: So there's going to be a weird little overlap of not
having the new application revamped in time for this new condition, so we
probably want to put in the email, like.
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Council Chambers: really do a thorough application in this next round, or
something like that. Do we have any applications currently?
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Council Chambers: Yeah, we do, but I can email… this is what we did last
time. Yeah. Last round, because the rubric was developed, and that hadn't
been developed the first time, like, when some grant applications came
in. So I did reach out to those applicants and say, hey, here's the
rubric that we're actually going to… that PTAC's actually going to be
using to judge your grant. Do you want to make any changes to your grant?
So I can definitely do that with the same thing, like, hey, this is, you
know, we'renot going to have the
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Council Chambers: like, PTAC is not going to have the in-person
presentations, still welcome to come and observe the meeting, but if
there's anything… if you were expecting to do that, and you want to make
changes because you're not going to be able to have that, you know, kind
of chance to present orally, like.
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Council Chambers: I can, you know, I can… I can reach out and give them
that option. Nobody reads anything, but I'm happy to do it. I'll make a
motion to both cancel the in-person presentations of the applicants and
close the portal until the end of year to revamp the application and
materials.
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Council Chambers: You coming out of maternity. My brain's still working.
Is there a second?
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Council Chambers: That's okay.
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Council Chambers: Nice. All… any more discussion?
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Council Chambers: All in favor?
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Council Chambers: That's exciting. All right. First time in decades. Some
changes. Trying this out. Yeah. Great. What's next? Art Awards! Oh, oh,
this is a fun one, guys. So,
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Council Chambers: Let me skip this part. Laureate part. This is another
recommendation by the Art Awards Committee. Does someone want to talk
about it? Who was there on that? That's so I don't have to do all the
talking?
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Council Chambers: I don't remember, I don't have the… where I wrote down
the person's… Oh, here. They're, they're,
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Council Chambers: Here, the… Claire. Claire Ragland. Claire Ragland,
yeah. Right.
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Council Chambers: I don't know, I can do it, it's fine. So the Arts
Award, committee met.
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Council Chambers: last week, and looked at four different applications
that came in for artists who applied to make this year's awards. You all
might remember last year, Victoria Power made the sort of golden
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Council Chambers: Seaweed awards. And yeah, I think… so, so four
different applications… we looked at four different applications, and
the, committee, which is Doug and Sheena and Dana, recommended this one
to PTAC. So this is an artist named Claire Ragland.
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Council Chambers: And she has proposed doing a series of vessels. These
are just sort of… these are the,
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Council Chambers: examples. The examples she gave, but I think there's
sort of this… I think this is the most relevant one, doing a series of
six… six ceramic vessels that will act as the awards for 20… for the 2026
artists who are, are,
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Council Chambers: recipients in 2026. And…
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Council Chambers: Yeah, her work samples are in here, as well as, you
know, the application that she put together.
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Council Chambers: And… Yeah, everyone thought that these would be really…
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Council Chambers: That people would like them, that they're, like, you
know, representative of kind of, like, a cool…
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Council Chambers: Port Townsend kind of spirit, handmade spirit. She's
gonna use, like, a metallic glaze on them to kind of keep that, like,
golden award feeling. And yeah, everyone, I don't know, people, I think
just generally, like.
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Council Chambers: The committee felt like this was the strongest of the…
Of the applicants,
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Council Chambers: And wanted to bring it to the full commission for
approval, essentially, so…
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Council Chambers: Is there anything else y'all want to add, Doug or Dana?
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Council Chambers: You know, I think we'd like that the lady who did last
year's awards also applied this year.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, I'd like to work, but I think it's nice to have
something different when you distribute the,
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Council Chambers: Distribute the weld.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, there's four applicants, so… That's great. Did we
all see this? No, we just brought the one that was recommended by the
committee to the full…
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Council Chambers: Full commission.
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Council Chambers: That's how we did it last year as well, that the
committee looked at the, you know, the committee chose the… chose the
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Council Chambers: chose the artist. See you next month! Thanks for
coming! Thank you. Or that the committee recommended the artist, I guess,
to the… to the… to the, so we don't get to see all four at all.
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Council Chambers: I didn't put them in the packet, I mean, we can… I can…
I can share them out, just for curious, yeah, for sure, for sure, yeah.
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Council Chambers: Claire, Victoria, do we know the two other people?
Yeah, so Swerve Wisely, who just opened the paint, sort of, artisan Paint
Your Own Pottery place down here, and then, an artist named Sasa
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Council Chambers: salsa… Berlin? Belland? Salsa Belland?
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Council Chambers: who had sort of an interesting proposal of making kind
of more, like, medallions, more like medals, you know, almost, like, kind
of, it felt very, like, Olympic, you know, or whatever. I don't believe
you wear those. No, like, they were, like, medallions, like, medallions.
Wood.
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Council Chambers: I think they were wooden, and they were sort of
intricately painted, like medallions, yeah.
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Council Chambers: Vandala, is that the word for it? Mandala? Yeah, sort
of like mandalas, yeah, but they, you know, they read sort of, like,
yeah, like, super hippie Olympic medals. It was kind of… they were kind
of… I mean, they were nice. Yeah. I think our feeling was it wasn't as
much of a…
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Council Chambers: trophy feeling, and sort of…
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Council Chambers: Was that the fungi one? Yeah. Yeah, he, he was… not
that I dislike fungi and slugs, but that was… It was very slug-focused.
It was… they were cool. Yeah. But I think, I think Claire… I think
Claire's just felt… Yeah, yeah. I think Claire's felt the most, sort of,
at peace with, like.
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Council Chambers: the la- you know, like, sort of continuing a… Art as an
award for art. Yeah, like that. You know, I thought sort of, like,
aligned with the ones Victoria had made, and like, you know, felt like
maybe it was…
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Libby Wennstrom: It's a trophy that you could put on your shelf, but it's
just a sort of an artsy trophy.
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Council Chambers: Right, yeah. But it doesn't have any, like, writing on
it, because it's an article. No. 30 years from now, it will just be a
vessel. Yeah. Oh, they'll know. Goodwill. Yeah, maybe. I mean, last
year's did not either. But should it? That's what I'm… should it say?
Something else.
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Council Chambers: It's an interesting question. I, like, in corporate
world, I got so many various desk things, I'd call them, and the only
ones I kept are the ones that don't have something engraved that says I
got it for this or that.
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Council Chambers: Because those ended up being, like, oh, these are nice
art pieces without any weird engraving on them. Right. So there is a plus
and a minus, you know. They get their certificate. Yeah, they get a
certificate with it, like a proclamation. I can see what you're saying, a
little plinth, a little vase or something would be cool. Or underneath,
on the back. On the back? Yeah. There were plinths.
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Council Chambers: added to
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Council Chambers: Victoria's, yeah, but they didn't say anything, they're
just wood blocks. You know, that would be a place to put something.
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Council Chambers: I always like labeling art not on the art, but
somewhere. Well, I personally am thrilled that our subcommittees are
delivering such awesome ideas, and
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Council Chambers: Conclusions and proposals and ceramic awards.
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Council Chambers: Cool. Well done. Would you like to make a motion to…
would you like to make a motion to move this project forward? I've been
seconding, I'll make this. Okay, all right. I'll make a motion thatwe
accept the changes as proposed.
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Council Chambers: Oh, I'm sorry, except the rewards as proposed. That's
very hard to put in the notes. Just keep that motion handy for later. I
propose to do the change. All right, it has been moved and seconded,
except, Claire Reglin's proposal
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Council Chambers: For the art boards.
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Council Chambers: Cool. Trophies. Comments? Questions? Did somebody
emails her after the meeting or something? Yeah. You get all the… I get
to do all the great emails. That's good. Good question. What is your
stipend for that? It's $1,500.
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Council Chambers: All in favor?
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Council Chambers: That's unanimous, okay, great, thank you. All right.
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Council Chambers: So, Rafina, was gonna join us today, but she has a
concussion. It's actually a real bummer. Yeah, she had a concussion
playing soccer, so she submitted some notes that I… and, and they were a
little bit late, because she was planning to be here, but… so I, had
Lonnie print them up for everybody, and then for the pack, I guess, for,
like, post-pack it, right? Yep. But, I think the major
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Council Chambers: takeaway from this, just… I'll keep it really brief
since Rafina's not here, is that Rafina continues to do lots of stuff,
all the time. This is a Poet Laureate. Oh, okay. This is the Port
Townsend Poet Laureate.
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Council Chambers: She's been, she has done, like, you know, several
recent events in the community, has several more coming up,
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Council Chambers: And, I think it… I would highlight the fact that she's
working on a capstone for this year, so each year, the Poet Lori is
supposed to do a capstone project, and for this year, she's putting
together a chapbook of, her poems from this first
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Council Chambers: year as Poet Laureate, which I think is really nice. I
mean, there'll be sort of, like, an actual item, you know, like a piece
of…
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Council Chambers: Work.
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Council Chambers: That will exist beyond the two years that she's Poet
Laureate. And then she has also, you know, a bunch of ideas for next
year, and at some point we'll talk about that in more detail. I would
say…
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Council Chambers: I think, Heidi, you were that, or maybe currently the
still the sole member of the Poet Laureate.
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Council Chambers: Like, subcommittee, which we made just basically to,
you know.
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Council Chambers: put a new… to put Rufina in place to select a Polarin,
and I've been working with, you know, with her as needed to
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Council Chambers: help with administration and help her with, like,
budgeting and that kind of stuff, but if there's a PTAC, if PT… you know,
if there's PTAC members who want to be, you know, involved more in that
process, and we want to have kind of a poet laureate committee that's
work that's happening, like, that's, you know, doable. I'm just… we're
just gonna move it forward. So, that's just something to…
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Council Chambers: think about.
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Council Chambers: not a decision we have to make right now or anything,
but, especially, like, looking ahead to 2027, it might be great to sit
down, right, with some people and talk about what next year might look
like, what works well this year, what maybe needs a little bit of
refinement, and also, we do need to start talking about, the selection
process for the Poet Laureate that will start at the end of 2027 through
2028, so…
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Council Chambers: I also know she has a budget request. Yes, so… That
we'll need to deal with. Yes, so we'll look at that when we get to the
budget part really quick, but just looking really at, administrative…
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Council Chambers: thoughts aside, she wants to, you know, one of her
goals for next year is to sort of involve more youth in the Poet Laureate
program, and she has this kind of really cool idea about doing kind of
like a scavenger hunt poetry thing around town to get kids, like, moving
through town and finding poems and writing poems.
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Council Chambers: And then I think she really enjoyed the art and poetry
workshop that
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Council Chambers: she did at SoundCheck, I don't know if any of you guys
checked stuff in there. Yeah, I did, yeah. And I think it was… it was
just, like, it was kind of, like, relatively low…
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Council Chambers: it was low barrier for people, but it also wasn't,
like, a ton of work to put together, but I think it felt really good, so
I think she wants to do some more of that.
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Council Chambers: And then the big thing is that she really wants to
partner with Centrum, which I think is a really awesome idea, and would,
like, hopefully carry on beyond this Poet Laureate, right? So that the
Poet Laureate would be more interwoven into their…
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Council Chambers: writing workshops and, like, all the writing stuff they
do, and maybe also hada standing residency for part of the year or
something like that with Centrum, because she did highlight
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Council Chambers: this fact… I guess for some reason, not all of the
notes showed up on here. But she did highlight that, like, finding time
to actually write
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Council Chambers: you know, has been, like, is, like, not, you know,
right, it's sort of, like, a lot of public-facing work, and so I'm just
trying to build in some space and time to support the poet to actually do
writing, which I thought was really nice. For notes, there was, like, a
few more things on here that for some reason I just didn't print out, but
she just was saying that she had received a surprising number of
invitations to participate in things just by virtue of being the poet
laureate, which I thought was kind of cool.
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Council Chambers: exciting, and, like, offered a lot of opportunities.
And then she mentioned… What you're wanting to involve.
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Council Chambers: more youth, and really highlighting that in year two,
and then the thing about, sort of, space and time to actually do some
writing as part of the program as well, so…
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Council Chambers: My comment is I had to look up the term ecclesi. It's
descriptive poetry. A literary work, most often a poem, that vividly
depicts, interprets, or responds to a visual work of art.
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Council Chambers: In this case, the button blanket. Right. Like, ode to a
Grecian era, right? Classic example. Yeah, yeah. Good, good one for, for
Wordle. Well, my only question would… would be… would be, do we… does the
commission need
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Council Chambers: to participate in the discussion with Centrum.
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Council Chambers: I mean, and if we're increasing the budget for a
Centrum program, maybe this is a discussion for the next
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Council Chambers: Agenda item, but… Yeah, yeah.
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Council Chambers: What's our role in those two big questions? I think it
could be either way. I mean, I think, like, Rafina and I could go speak
with them. I've already reached out to Eric, who's the writing person and
stuff, and we have… we're supposed tohave a phone call at some point,
that kind of thing. So I don't know that… that…
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Council Chambers: unless someone really wants to be, like, directly
involved in those discussions, like, that'd be awesome, but I think
Rafina and I could also go.
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Council Chambers: talk about it if PTAC was like, yeah, we like that
idea, like, go ahead and see what you can find out, like, we can come
back with… we can do a fact-finding mission, you know, and come back with
more information. Or, like I said, if, like, someone's like, oh, no, I
wanna, I wanna come with, like, them.
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Council Chambers: or, you know, I want to be involved in those
discussions, I want to hear it from the horse's mouth, then that's great,
too. So it's… but I don't think it's necessary. Which programs exactly
would it be for?
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Council Chambers: Well, I think… I think there's a couple… there's the,
ruffina already did, like, a residency at Centrum, the local artist
residency, where you just get a studio space, you don't get a housing as
well. Right. And I think that that's something that we could maybe make,
sort of, semi…
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Council Chambers: just, like, permanent or whatever, like, try to
integrate into the program, like, that's part of what… as the Poe
Laureate, you get a couple week residency at… writing residency. Right at
the end of this paperwork.
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Council Chambers: Yeah. So that would be a perfect way to launch the
material. Yes, right, totally, yeah. So there's… and then there's the
part, and then the other is the Writers Conference. So that's what I was
asking, is it, like, is it going to be mostly servicing people that are
coming in from out of town for a program, or for locals? Because if it's
servicing people from out of town, it's almost like a $1,500 grant to
Centrum for the services that they do.
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Council Chambers: Well, I think that the question is, and I was hoping to
be able to connect with Eric before this meeting, because I think,
ideally, we could arrange some sort of a partnership where the Poet
Laureate was doing maybe, like, more like a work exchange, or like a
workshop, or, you know, it was sort of just that…
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Council Chambers: part of that week included the Poet Laureate being
involved as
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Council Chambers: a guest speaker, or something like that, and not
necessarily… and that it would be… not necessarily become something that,
yeah, that was paid for by the…
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Council Chambers: Well, that's what I'd like to personally hear more,
because, like, to Dan's point, like, if it was $1,500, so she could
participate, and… Right.
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Council Chambers: be, you know, fully engaged in that program, and use
that as write, you know, dedicated writing time and inspiration time.
Yeah.
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Council Chambers: then that is an investment in our laureate, and it's
further value to the town. Yeah. But to Dan's point, if it's to, you
know, run workshops for central participants, it might be servicing more.
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Council Chambers: Right. Non-residents, in which case.
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Council Chambers: Could we, you know, run a resident program, like,
something for non-attendees, or something that happens concurrently that,
you know, kind of crosses the idea.
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Libby Wennstrom: Now, I also realized that a fair percentage,
particularly of the Writers' Workshop, a non-insignificant percentage of
those people are local, too, so it's not… it isn't that there are non…
that it's all non-locals participating in the Writers Central Writers'
Workshop.
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Council Chambers: Good point, Libby. It also seems like there is an
advantage, to a limited point, of promoting Port Townsend's artistic…
Yeah.
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Council Chambers: Collaborations delivered of the year, yeah. That's why
I like the collaboration rather than just… Yeah.
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Libby Wennstrom: Well, and I… I really like the idea of, having people
who are arts leaders in their own communities bring back the idea of,
hey, this little small town has a Poet Laureate program, could we do that
too? You know, so…
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Council Chambers: Yeah, I think it has a lot of… I think it could have a
lot of mutual benefit. I think the…
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Council Chambers: cost piece of it is more of a question. Like, I think
it'd be great to figure out if there is a way that it could just be cost-
neutral on both sides, right, or whatever, but I think the idea of, like,
trying to budget a little bit for it, and at least have that as a
possibility as it gets worked out, feels like it might be worthwhile to
me. That's kind of, like, my thoughts on it, but…
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Council Chambers: That makes sense to me. I think we can discuss budget
shortly, and the details of the program, perhaps, we can discuss in
October, because the update with the Pullet Laureate is scheduled for
that meeting.
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Council Chambers: Yep. Is there… is there any reason to consider a small
portion of our grants funding?
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Council Chambers: pot to go towards the Poet Laureate, or something that
would fulfill… Yeah.
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Council Chambers: Well, maybe we should just go ahead and move it. Is the
budget the next item on here, basically? Like, maybe this is just a good
segue. Yeah, I think it is. Because we also, we only, you know, we have
about half an hour-ish left, so it might be, like, a good time just to
start talking about that. Like, that, you know, there's a lot of
decisions to be…
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Council Chambers: Yeah. Made on that front, I will…
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01:23:56.000 --> 01:24:13.369
Council Chambers: I'm gonna pull out, like, a notes, because I… PDFs are,
you know, hard to make notes on. You want to use this? No, but I need a
pen. You need a pen? I think I have one. There's one on the table over
there.
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Council Chambers: I got it. Oh, it's even… it's even a good pen. Okay.
So, there's two things… I think there's a couple things to look at here.
Let's… I'm gonna move… up.
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Council Chambers: I don't know if people had a chance to look at, like,
the budget letter from John, it just basically lays out the, schedule.
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Council Chambers: for, for budgeting. Basically, the, they, the city
needs…
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Council Chambers: requests by the end of this month, essentially, because
there's a big budget retreat, in September, which, you know,
Councilmember Wennstrom will be a part of. To build the PTAC budget, I
thought it would be a good idea just a really quick look back at what we
said.
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Council Chambers: Were the 2027 work plan goals?
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01:25:09.050 --> 01:25:13.410
Council Chambers: It's, you know, nice to connect Budget decisions back
to these.
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Council Chambers: Where possible, I mean, they're relatively…
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Council Chambers: I don't think any of them were super-duper out there,
you know? But,
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Council Chambers: You know, if we think of these as the…
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01:25:28.330 --> 01:25:34.130
Council Chambers: four important pieces of work for 2027, right? The
budget should align as much as possible.
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Council Chambers: I don't know if it makes sense to talk through this
really quick about which ones feel like they're more, like, budget-heavy.
Like, the last one, I think, is relatively budget neutral, for example,
like, planning and…
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Council Chambers: goal setting and aligning. Like, I don't think that's
something that's gonna, you know, take a ton of specific funding.
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Council Chambers: was the idea on the Mayor's Arts Awards that we came in
under by the last year, so…
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01:26:03.610 --> 01:26:09.780
Council Chambers: Oh, for… yeah, okay, for the actual numbers. Alright,
I'll scroll past this once you've had a chance to look at it.
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Council Chambers: Well, the idea was, initially, that $7,500 was at that
level because there had been an idea that maybe, PTAC would give a
financial award along with the actual, just, honor, right? And,
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Council Chambers: Then the commission decided that they didn't really
want to do that.
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Council Chambers: So it was kind of a big budget line item to begin with,
but then as the award ceremony kind of grew in scope, and we decided to
commission these awards and all that kind of stuff, it made sense in some
ways to keep it at a level that the ceremony could continue to be sort of
a big deal, I thought, right? Or, like…
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Council Chambers: That's what felt like was happening, so it seemed like
keeping it there was… Made sense?
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Council Chambers: But yeah, and I… the last year's award ceremony ended
up being closer to $3,800 or something in total, so that is somewhat
pegged to that $6,500 being…
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Council Chambers: it kind of covers two things… two… two years, in a way,
right? It's always… it's like an overflow, since the thing happens in
March, you know?
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01:27:19.070 --> 01:27:20.590
Council Chambers: It's, like, funds that…
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Council Chambers: It funds the ceremony and the promotion of next year's
ceremony, and, like, the commissioning of next year's awards, or
whatever, so…
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Council Chambers: That's the technical term. So I guess my question is,
is there enough in here for that selection of a new poet laureate, or
anything that's involved with that?
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Council Chambers: search work. Yeah, that's a good question.
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01:27:50.930 --> 01:27:55.470
Council Chambers: Last time, the Poet Laureate, there was a couple of
costs.
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Council Chambers: There was, which maybe aren't captured in here. We…
there's 3 jurors, and they were each paid $100.
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Council Chambers: And there was advertising in the leader, which was
about… which I think was about $1,200, which is where that marketing and
outreach, like, line could come in. But I… yeah, there's… the budget for
paying jurors does… did not get captured in here, but could probably get,
you know, could get…
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Council Chambers: I don't know that we'd have to make this budget bigger,
we could take some funding out of marketing or something to… Sure. The
reason I… oh, is, like, the allocation all we get? That's the question,
maybe that's part of the question. So that's, sort of a TBD, right?
Because, like, that's why, like, public art, for example, it's, like, why
it says 1% determined.
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Council Chambers: Okay. Is that…
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Council Chambers: there should be some funding coming through the 1% for
ARCs. Right, so what is that amount? We don't know what that amount is
yet. The reason I was asking is, like, you know, if it's just a couple
hundred dollars, do you want to just increase this to $50,000, even, to
put that to…
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Council Chambers: Well, you know, it's probably 300, and it's 3 jurors,
but to just…
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01:29:07.220 --> 01:29:11.150
Council Chambers: Get us closer to an amount that we balance our budget.
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01:29:11.660 --> 01:29:20.839
Council Chambers: Sorry, too many times I've been to treasurer, I get…
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We make micro-changes that get us closer to flat.
Right, totally, yeah.
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Libby Wennstrom: Now, one of the things to remember about the 1% per art
is that that has some stipulations on it in terms of what it can and
can't get spent on.
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Libby Wennstrom: So…
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Council Chambers: They're pretty limited. When we rewrote the code, it
says, like, any… it says, promote art, do art programming.
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Libby Wennstrom: Yeah, I think it's not totally limited, it's just being
aware of those limitations.
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Council Chambers: Yeah.
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Libby Wennstrom: And explaining this sort of chicken and an egg is that…
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Council Chambers: Yeah.
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Libby Wennstrom: the… each of the committees, in this case PTAC, are
submitting a proposed budget, and those are all kind of going to finance
and budget, and the department directors are doing their budgets, and
then it all kind of goes through a great big sausage grinder, and then
eventually comes to council as a proposal, and then you start kind of
horse trading around, like, you know, oh, if we take this out of this,
then we can increase that, etc.
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Libby Wennstrom: So, it doesn't mean it's gonna end up exactly this way,
but it…
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Libby Wennstrom: The bottom line number probably needs to be relatively
similar.
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Council Chambers: Right.
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Council Chambers: Right, right. I'm sorry, Libby, similar to the current
year.
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Libby Wennstrom: No, to, to, you know.
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Libby Wennstrom: If you're making a proposal and says, we think our total
budget is going to be, what does this say, $49,800, or $50,000, or
something like that, and
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Libby Wennstrom: You're unlikely to end up with a final
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Libby Wennstrom: Number that's very different from that, but within that
final number, there's some discretion for the committee to move things
around within categories.
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Council Chambers: Okay.
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Libby Wennstrom: That's what I was trying to say.
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Council Chambers: Okay.
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Libby Wennstrom: But, Finance and Budget might come back and say, hey,
you know, we're really squeaking to do things, and we'd like to see you
guys, take your budget down to, you know, $46,000 or something like that.
And, you know, what are you going to adjust in order to do that? I don't
know, I'm just using that as an example. But… but that… that is sort of
part of that process. If everybody comes in with their, like, maximum
budget.
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Libby Wennstrom: Sometimes things are gonna have to squeak a little bit.
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Council Chambers: And I guess I'm still a little unclear, the 1% from,
public art.
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Council Chambers: Does that… do we need to account for that in our budget
request?
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Council Chambers: That comes… We can't really, because we don't know what
it is.
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Libby Wennstrom: They don't know what it's gonna be. I mean, you can say,
based on the funding that we get for 1% for art, we are intending to, you
know.
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Libby Wennstrom: Prioritize the following types of programs, or something
like that. But you probably can't put a dollar amount on it until you
know what you get, what you're working with.
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Council Chambers: Okay, so we don't need to include a placeholder. No,
well, and my thought here was that whatever…
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Council Chambers: Funding came from that.
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Council Chambers: fund, you know, which… It's gonna take a while to
potentially accumulate into something.
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Council Chambers: usable, that it made sense to earmark it for public
art, and then when there's enough of it, you can commission a piece of
public art, or you can, you know, you can hire someone to maintain the
public art at a higher level, and… but because that's kind of a static
situation until it's not.
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Council Chambers: Do you know what I mean? Like, it's a little different
than the ongoing idea of, like, the Poet Laureate, like, kind of like, I
have to give her a stipend, like, that's not really a choice or whatever,
but, like, commissioning a piece of art or not is sort of… is more of a
choice, right? Does that make sense? Is there a reason,
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Council Chambers: We don't say, alright, we're gonna ask for $55,000,
expecting that we won't get it.
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Council Chambers: Well, I will say what happened last year is that the
Arts Commission budget has been about $30,000, $30,000 for a long, long
time.
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Council Chambers: And bumping it up… $20,000 to $22,000. Yeah, bumping it
up to $48,000 was a big deal, and there was, like, sort of an extra
allocation made
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Council Chambers: out of the general fund, but it was noted that the idea
was that that extra allocation would be backfilled in the future through
the 1% for the Arts Fund.
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Council Chambers: So, it's already kind of, you know what I'm saying?
It's already… and that I don't… the 1% of the Arts Fund might not be able
to do that yet.
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Council Chambers: So it might be, like, the council might have to choose
to give an extra general fund contribution again this year before it gets
to the point where the Municipal Arts Fund can backfill that.
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Council Chambers: going higher, I think, is probably not the wisest. I've
also been hearing from many corners that revenue is, like, flat to down
for 2027. It's not, like.
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Council Chambers: You know, fountains of funding.
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Council Chambers: So…
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Libby Wennstrom: Well, I mean, 1% per art funding is coming out of
capital projects, and there's actually a fair number of capital projects
that are still happening, so…
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01:34:24.630 --> 01:34:33.320
Council Chambers: Yeah, but, like, they… the funding doesn't move out of
those projects into the Municipal Arts Fund until those projects close,
and I don't.
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01:34:33.320 --> 01:34:34.160
Libby Wennstrom: Correct.
596
01:34:34.160 --> 01:34:39.689
Council Chambers: projects have already actually are closing in 2026, and
how many are actually closing in 2027, so…
597
01:34:40.820 --> 01:34:49.740
Council Chambers: It'll come. So, even this $1,000 increase, is that,
more than we should expect?
598
01:34:51.480 --> 01:35:00.420
Libby Wennstrom: I think the $1,000 increase is within the realm of pain.
I mean, you know, there's a recommendation, you know, there's a
recognition that everything costs a little more, you know.
599
01:35:03.160 --> 01:35:15.810
Council Chambers: Don't ask for $75,000. Right. Well, that was my
question, yeah. So at what point did we decide maintenance was going to
be pulled into the 1% for the arts? Because I'm trying to think…
600
01:35:15.810 --> 01:35:24.000
Council Chambers: 1%, if we have any funds coming in this year, that's a
question. We theoretically could have zero. Yet, we definitely know we're
going to have maintenance costs, so…
601
01:35:24.580 --> 01:35:29.659
Council Chambers: It makes sense to me to have that be a hard number that
we can allocate, like, we can all…
602
01:35:29.770 --> 01:35:36.719
Council Chambers: Just based on putting together the maintenance
schedule. How many hours that is, what's the hourly rate for the city,
plus
603
01:35:36.840 --> 01:35:49.890
Council Chambers: The equipment and stuff like… I don't think they're
plan… I don't think we're getting billed. The PTAC's not getting billed
for hours. So when it says includes maintenance, it's not… that's not a
hard number, it's just the regular clock-in, clock-out maintenance crews
that go. So, like, if they need to buy…
604
01:35:50.000 --> 01:35:54.700
Libby Wennstrom: I think that's… Dan, I think that's specifically about
maintenance for public art.
605
01:35:54.700 --> 01:35:55.220
Council Chambers: Sort of.
606
01:35:55.480 --> 01:35:56.509
Libby Wennstrom: General City Game.
607
01:35:56.510 --> 01:36:11.480
Council Chambers: Right, that's what he's talking about. That's what he's
talking about. The reason… well, one of the reasons is… is that, there's
no… there wasn't a line item there last year, for reasons unknown,
honestly. Like, I don't… I don't, you know, so part of me was like, well.
608
01:36:11.530 --> 01:36:16.600
Council Chambers: I guess PTAC chose not to put any funds towards that in
2020.
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01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:34.489
Council Chambers: This year, so maybe, like, continuing that until
there's, like, a particularly, like, dedicated fund for it is just, like…
So we did put some money towards equipment and stuff for, like, cleaning
supplies. It was very minimal, but that was a hard cost. So, and then…
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01:36:34.490 --> 01:36:47.720
Council Chambers: So, say we need to buy some more turtle wax for our
bronzes, does that come out of the 1% for the arts, or should that just
be a separate… Yeah. $200 would be the line item permit? Or is that a
maintenance cost for the city?
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01:36:47.720 --> 01:36:56.769
Council Chambers: Yeah, out of a different… No, no, it gets… it gets
allocated to PTAC, like, the Parks Department has charge… is charging
those materials, too. But it's not in this year's budget.
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01:36:56.770 --> 01:37:09.690
Council Chambers: I would just think once it's in our collection, the
expenses to maintain it wouldn't be linked to the 1% fund, which is
designed to… for acquisition of art, not so much the maintenance of it.
No, it's designed to…
613
01:37:09.690 --> 01:37:14.819
Libby Wennstrom: It's… it's specifically, I think, part of the revision
was that it included the cost of maintain…
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01:37:14.820 --> 01:37:15.340
Council Chambers: Yeah.
615
01:37:15.340 --> 01:37:18.840
Libby Wennstrom: Wiring the pieces, but maintaining them in perpetuity.
616
01:37:18.990 --> 01:37:25.730
Council Chambers: Correct. Because otherwise, it's like, you could
acquire these things and have no money to maintain them, and that
wouldn't… Well, that's kind of what's happened. Right, right, exactly.
617
01:37:25.730 --> 01:37:27.320
Libby Wennstrom: Correct, and we're trying to fix that.
618
01:37:27.320 --> 01:37:43.959
Council Chambers: Well, we need some 1%, not to split hairs, but, like,
would we ever not get anything for 1%? Like, would it ever be zero? I
feel like it would never be zero. No, it probably won't be zero.
619
01:37:43.960 --> 01:37:57.899
Libby Wennstrom: I hope it's zero because it's covering… it's coming from
any large capital project. So, you know, street paving and sewer
projects, and, you know, there's always some of that. Right now, we're
doing quite a lot of it.
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01:37:58.750 --> 01:37:59.560
Council Chambers: Right.
621
01:37:59.560 --> 01:38:03.759
Libby Wennstrom: Like, all of these big grant-funded street projects
include that 1%.
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01:38:04.690 --> 01:38:22.799
Council Chambers: But to Dan's point, I mean, I think it… I think it's…
we could certainly put a $500 line item in this budget, just to make sure
there's, like, a placeholder there, and that, like, you know, if someone…
like, yeah, if they are like, oh, hey, we need to go buy some, you know…
It's not staff… staff funds, it's just the… Right, just the equipment and
stuff like that, right, yeah.
623
01:38:22.800 --> 01:38:26.219
Council Chambers: And we do have two new pieces going in this summer.
Yep.
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01:38:26.230 --> 01:38:50.080
Council Chambers: It's true. Well, when I would do that, I would put,
like, 500 bucks. Yep, great. Yeah.Two new pieces, you mean the… Two new
art pieces, the mural and the street. Okay, yeah. Currently, the way the
street painting works is it has to be maintained by the people who paint
it, but I don't know if that'll stay as we move forward. I mean, with
this whole new kind of rubric, or, like, with the city being more
involved, that might change in the future. Okay, okay. I guess I would
like to…
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01:38:50.080 --> 01:38:52.299
Council Chambers: Not having been here last year.
626
01:38:52.320 --> 01:38:59.700
Council Chambers: Where did… where did maintenance land in this year's
budget? Where does it come out of?
627
01:38:59.850 --> 01:39:14.189
Council Chambers: I did it. Parks ordered some materials for maintenance.
I have to go back and look. I think I, just absorbed it into the arts and
culture budget.
628
01:39:14.510 --> 01:39:39.200
Council Chambers: It was small. Yeah, it was small, and the supplies
budget for the Arts and Culture Department had enough funding to cover
it, so I just did that, because that makes sense. Yeah. Coca-Cola's,
Coca-Cola, Turtle Wax, Coca-Cola… I was just trying to understand. I
mean, that makes sense, to put a line item. Yeah. But because there
wasn't a line item here, like, I…
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01:39:39.200 --> 01:39:48.740
Council Chambers: like I said, I was like, the supplies budget is enough
to take this $300 in, so that's where it came down. It just looks like,
let's determine later… Totally. Totally, totally, no, that makes sense.
Would,
630
01:39:48.740 --> 01:40:00.890
Council Chambers: So, there's two kind of proposals here to increase the…
this budget by about $800, $500 for maintenance, $300 to pay the jurors
for the,
631
01:40:01.370 --> 01:40:02.999
Council Chambers: Poet Laureate Search.
632
01:40:04.360 --> 01:40:21.519
Council Chambers: And there is, you know, a proposal from the… from
Rafina specifically, you know, requested $1,500, so… basically to… so the
Poet Lori could attend the, Writers' Conference, is essentially what that
money's for. So I already gave her $500.
633
01:40:21.520 --> 01:40:29.660
Council Chambers: I had already suggested bumping up the program budget
for the Poet Laureate by $500, because
634
01:40:30.410 --> 01:40:38.969
Council Chambers: that seemed like… it seemed… it seemed hard to do all
the things that were desired with the $2,000 budget, so…
635
01:40:40.860 --> 01:40:48.619
Council Chambers: Anyway, so those are sort of the… so, you know, with
those additions or whatever, if they were all to be added, right, that's
what? $2,300.
636
01:40:48.930 --> 01:40:51.580
Council Chambers: The other thing in this proposed budget
637
01:40:51.730 --> 01:41:05.479
Council Chambers: that, like, I'm proposing these numbers just as a
starting place, y'all, like, no one has seen these except for me. I'm,
like, making it up just to try to have a place to start, because I know
sometimes it's really hard to start from zero. So, like, for, like,
grants, you know, I was like.
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01:41:05.480 --> 01:41:19.009
Council Chambers: we should add a little more to grants, like, we should
add a little more to grants every year, so I… like, $3,000, which would
just be, like, $1,000 more each round, or however, to be split, right?
And then this idea of the Artists in Residence Pilot Program came
straight out of the grant subcommittee.
639
01:41:19.190 --> 01:41:35.930
Council Chambers: I mean, like, that… the idea was to, you know, re…
reuse the funding that had been going to making these, like, grantee
videos and taking some time off from that, perhaps, because maybe a
million grantee videos are not necessary, and reallocating that towards
that idea of this pilot program.
640
01:41:36.060 --> 01:41:45.040
Council Chambers: And then everything else is kind of pretty much just
the same as it had been in the past, you know? And then to keep it close
to the…
641
01:41:46.410 --> 01:41:50.099
Council Chambers: 2026 budget, yeah, take, like.
642
01:41:50.430 --> 01:41:54.979
Council Chambers: like, pulling down a little bit on the Arts Awards
number.
643
01:41:55.410 --> 01:41:57.540
Council Chambers: And,
644
01:41:58.100 --> 01:42:06.000
Council Chambers: Yeah. That's the only one. That's the only one, yeah.
So you're proposing adding the 2300 to the 49? Well, I don't know, that's
an option. It might be…
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01:42:06.490 --> 01:42:22.040
Council Chambers: it might… it might be harder to… to pass through this
whole larger process. Artist-in-residence pilot down to four, and drop
$1,000 off the marriage awards, that probably wouldn't hurt too bad, and
that comes up to two grand right there. Yeah, yeah. We could ask for it.
646
01:42:22.090 --> 01:42:38.120
Council Chambers: And if we don't get it, we can make those subsequent
budget changes. So, Libby might be able to answer this better. Yeah, but,
like, what I've seen in the past is it just gets pushed back to PTAC, and
they're like, there you go.
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01:42:38.120 --> 01:42:45.050
Libby Wennstrom: I would try to make… do your… I mean, just as somebody…
I'm not on finance and budget anymore, but I was for 4 years, and then
it's…
648
01:42:45.580 --> 01:42:59.000
Libby Wennstrom: Asking for a budget that is, like, really pretty
realistic, what you would like to work with, I think it's just helpful,
rather than having to kind of play ping pong, where you're asking for a
little more, hoping that you get what you need. It is just… just be
straightforward.
649
01:43:00.020 --> 01:43:04.859
Council Chambers: Well, we've already increased the Poet Laureate's
650
01:43:05.550 --> 01:43:16.820
Council Chambers: program projects by 500. So rather than adding 1,500
there, could we just add another 1,000? Yeah. Make that $3,500.
651
01:43:17.080 --> 01:43:21.769
Council Chambers: You know, I think the 500 for maintenance is a great
idea.
652
01:43:22.100 --> 01:43:25.569
Council Chambers: Well, if we do what Dan proposed.
653
01:43:25.890 --> 01:43:29.969
Council Chambers: You know, which I think taking… if you, if,
654
01:43:30.470 --> 01:43:49.720
Council Chambers: pushing that artist in residence pilot idea down to 4
makes it a little more commensurate with the kind of cool, which I think
is… But we also talked about poetry being more niche than other artists,
so maybe it's fine that it's at 5, and I would rather leave it at 5.
Yeah, okay.
655
01:43:50.670 --> 01:43:58.649
Council Chambers: Well, if we leave that at 5, but take down the awards,
which I think is true, that that… You said $3,800 was our last year's,
so…
656
01:43:59.670 --> 01:44:09.610
Council Chambers: Sorry. Yeah, yeah. But, like, like I said, you have… it
has to cover some of, like, the overlapping costs, but yeah.
657
01:44:11.180 --> 01:44:12.940
Council Chambers: What is the 5,000 for?
658
01:44:13.850 --> 01:44:23.090
Council Chambers: for the artist… for the artist in residence situation.
I mean, I think you were there for the discussion, so I think it was just
the idea was, like, sort of a grant, like, it was just basically…
659
01:44:23.600 --> 01:44:27.650
Council Chambers: Yeah, I think the idea that it was basically a grant,
but maybe with some more…
660
01:44:28.300 --> 01:44:40.529
Council Chambers: some stipulations about doing specific kinds of
programming that would be, you know, public-facing for the… for the… for
the community. Like a hybrid between Poet Laureate and Grant. Yeah, yeah,
kind of, right. Process? Yeah.
661
01:44:40.750 --> 01:44:43.499
Council Chambers: I think that was great. Yeah.
662
01:44:43.640 --> 01:44:51.659
Council Chambers: It is a nice round number. It is. Yeah. Are we thinking
of raising Poet Laureate stipend? Are we thinking of doubling that, or…
663
01:44:51.920 --> 01:44:54.590
Council Chambers: Well, I think… I mean…
664
01:44:54.810 --> 01:44:59.809
Council Chambers: Yeah, I mean, that's the only thing about that whole…
that idea of that pilot program, like.
665
01:44:59.950 --> 01:45:04.310
Council Chambers: Does that feel right to, sort of, how diff… like, those
are pretty…
666
01:45:04.480 --> 01:45:08.230
Council Chambers: you know, 15… 5,000 is quite a bit more than $1,500,
right? The…
667
01:45:08.270 --> 01:45:22.970
Council Chambers: poet laureate, not just Rafina, but Connor as well,
like, did a lot, you know, for that. So, is… does it make sense to, you
know… I don't know. That could probably be $2,500 and still be, like, a
cool thing for somebody, especially if they're, like, asked to do
relatively minimal
668
01:45:22.970 --> 01:45:28.700
Council Chambers: But I would say that it's not just a stipend. Right.
669
01:45:28.700 --> 01:45:33.769
Council Chambers: it is all the expenses. Right. So, whether it's, you
know, materials or visual art.
670
01:45:34.070 --> 01:45:44.499
Council Chambers: royalties, whatever is involved. That's… yeah, that's
for the whole project, just as the Poet Laureate's budget would be
$4,000.
671
01:45:44.830 --> 01:46:01.679
Council Chambers: Currently. Right, and yeah. And maybe it would be $5 if
we add that $1,000 to address her request. And I think that… and that's a
great point, Doug, because the other thing is, like, that line item, we
could, like, if, as that program is developed, could be…
672
01:46:01.680 --> 01:46:09.820
Council Chambers: could be spread out in a similar way, where it's this
much for programs, and this much for your stipend, and stuff like that.
Like, that number isn't necessarily… doesn't have to be, like, one.
673
01:46:10.220 --> 01:46:17.989
Council Chambers: $5,000, just, like, check to somebody, right, kind of
thing, so… And you don't have to give $5,000. Right, right, right.
674
01:46:18.730 --> 01:46:21.650
Council Chambers: I was about to say that you've got to see that budget.
675
01:46:21.930 --> 01:46:26.170
Council Chambers: Also, for the 2028 Court Laureate.
676
01:46:26.710 --> 01:46:29.650
Council Chambers: For your next port, Laura, is that a decent amount
also?
677
01:46:30.120 --> 01:46:32.399
Council Chambers: Are you gonna wanna go? That's another year.
678
01:46:33.210 --> 01:46:37.400
Council Chambers: That's why I said we needed some search, some money to
search.
679
01:46:38.150 --> 01:46:51.280
Council Chambers: Right. But, I mean, I think the idea of if we… if
$1,000 gets added to the laureate's budget, that makes them pretty even,
and that feels kind of good. And then… and then, you know.
680
01:46:51.550 --> 01:46:55.390
Council Chambers: For 2028, we could look at that and decide, again, if
there's a way to…
681
01:46:55.390 --> 01:47:12.469
Council Chambers: It's also good to note that the Poet Laureate does get
a little bit of an extra stipend and some programming funding directly
from the library for doing programs at the library. So there's… it's not…
this is, like, most of that funding, but there's a little bit more on top
of it as well. Yeah. That makes me feel better.
682
01:47:12.470 --> 01:47:14.339
Council Chambers: Rather than moving money out of…
683
01:47:14.490 --> 01:47:16.380
Council Chambers: programs. Let's ask for more money.
684
01:47:17.940 --> 01:47:27.039
Council Chambers: I mean, asking for 52 or something like this is fine.
We need it. We do. The world needs it. Ask for what you need.
685
01:47:27.560 --> 01:47:44.330
Council Chambers: I mean, I'll… I'll… I'm happy to put forth whatever the
Commission wants to, but I do think… I don't think it… I think if it was,
like… and I think a few more… a little bit more money would probably…
might be just fine, but I just… I… I'm hearing the feelings about…
686
01:47:44.360 --> 01:48:08.159
Council Chambers: budget in general this year, or not? Like… Does $5,000
feel like a lot or a little in the realm of things? I don't know. We're
not even talking about $5,000. Well, I mean, in addition to the $49,800,
like, 5 grand more on top of that. Well, here's a thought. If we said
$52,000, again, it's kind of a random number, but okay, $52,000. There's
$3,000
687
01:48:08.160 --> 01:48:13.999
Council Chambers: increase in the grants to artists, which… I think it's
great.
688
01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:24.250
Council Chambers: if we have to cut, that would be a good place to start
cutting. That shows the 3,000 increase right there. Yeah. Last year. And,
you know, and then…
689
01:48:24.430 --> 01:48:32.630
Council Chambers: Gonna leave everything else… Adding in the 500 for
maintenance and $300 for… Boom.
690
01:48:32.740 --> 01:48:35.270
Council Chambers: the Poet Laureate search process.
691
01:48:39.080 --> 01:48:44.570
Council Chambers: I was just saying the thing… the grants to artists
increase could be on…
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01:48:45.090 --> 01:49:03.510
Council Chambers: cushion, if we ask for 52 as we get. I do so love
getting money to artists, though. I know. I do, too. If I have this
right, though, the… the… what's on the table right now is just an $1,800
increase from what this says, right?
693
01:49:03.510 --> 01:49:10.379
Council Chambers: It's 18… it's $300 more for the Poet Laureate search,
$500 for maintenance, and another $1,000 towards the Poet Laureate.
694
01:49:10.380 --> 01:49:13.780
Council Chambers: stipend. Or, or, I mean, programming budget?
695
01:49:14.330 --> 01:49:31.779
Council Chambers: So that's $1,800… I don't know, that's… and I think…
Why don't we make the search process for the Poet Laureate, let's make
that $500. And just… just ask for… so add… just add two… just add $2,000
to this, budget, and call that a… call that…
696
01:49:32.240 --> 01:49:36.099
Council Chambers: Like, 20 and 22 would make it even $52,000.
697
01:49:36.420 --> 01:49:57.509
Council Chambers: Right? Am I doing my math right? Yeah. Or, I mean, we
could also 49, so 51… it would be 51.8 if we added that. I actually like
a more odd number than a… Yeah. Because otherwise it kind of feels like
you just randomly picked a number. Right, it's very… But they're killing
the pennies, y'all.
698
01:49:57.510 --> 01:49:57.900
Council Chambers: 51.
699
01:49:57.960 --> 01:50:04.009
Libby Wennstrom: I mean, I can tell you that people don't… everybody
thinks, oh, we're trying to overthink this, but, you know.
700
01:50:04.010 --> 01:50:05.080
Council Chambers: Yeah, just…
701
01:50:05.080 --> 01:50:09.100
Libby Wennstrom: Just put in what works for what your program state says.
702
01:50:11.290 --> 01:50:23.010
Council Chambers: Does that feel… I mean, that feels fine to me, if that
feels good to folks, I think… Do you have a… A way to fix that? A
spreadsheet that you can modify? Yeah, I probably do.
703
01:50:23.290 --> 01:50:45.279
Council Chambers: All right, I'm going to stop sharing while I do that.
It's just gonna be so ugly while I look around. We've got 8 minutes. We
have 8 minutes? We have 8 minutes. May I have to say one thing while
Katy's pulling that up? Please, yeah. So, it's been a long time I've been
on the Arts Commission, and we used to actually say, all right, who's
going to go to the council meeting to stand up and say how important it
is that we get this fund so we can get this
704
01:50:45.590 --> 01:51:02.040
Council Chambers: $21,000 that we really need, or whatever. We used to
literally task each other to go and support, and never have we been in
better support, better position with Katy on board, and Libby, a serious
arts advocate, being at the meetings, going to bat for us.
705
01:51:02.390 --> 01:51:16.520
Council Chambers: Hint, hint, that, you know, every dollar is really
important. We're an arts town. We used to literally have to be just our
own little cheerleading team for that, and now we've got some staff and
council people on board with us, so… awesome, good for us.
706
01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:17.340
Council Chambers: Brunswick.
707
01:51:17.340 --> 01:51:25.600
Libby Wennstrom: Yeah, I think this is the, you know, this is a kind of a
time where there's a lot of solid support for arts work, and…
708
01:51:25.840 --> 01:51:29.640
Libby Wennstrom: If you're… if we were talking about having somebody come
709
01:51:29.640 --> 01:51:46.100
Libby Wennstrom: to do a presentation, my recommendation would be to have
them go… have somebody go to Finance and Budget, because that's really
where the sausage gets made, where they're sort of banging things around
and asking questions and stuff, whereas by the time it comes to Council
for approval, it's not really down to the line item kind of thing, so…
710
01:51:46.530 --> 01:51:52.939
Council Chambers: Well, what I'm getting at is I feel like we don't need
to do that so much now as much as we used to, because we have staff and
council.
711
01:51:52.940 --> 01:51:55.490
Libby Wennstrom: who are, who are already advocating, yeah, I think
that's true.
712
01:51:55.490 --> 01:51:57.230
Council Chambers: Yep, that's what I meant.
713
01:51:58.140 --> 01:52:00.510
Council Chambers: Any of the budget meeting we'd go to.
714
01:52:01.130 --> 01:52:01.800
Libby Wennstrom: Right.
715
01:52:02.420 --> 01:52:11.639
Council Chambers: Show up with big signs. More money for the arts! Yeah.
716
01:52:12.440 --> 01:52:17.309
Council Chambers: We said $500 for the Poland search, right? Yeah. Search
costs.
717
01:52:17.540 --> 01:52:29.809
Council Chambers: 51… okay, I'm forgetting something, I'm sure. And is
that just to pay a person's charge for… That's for… It's to pay the
jurors. Yeah, there were jurors.
718
01:52:29.810 --> 01:52:30.630
Libby Wennstrom: We're observed.
719
01:52:30.630 --> 01:52:37.320
Council Chambers: Easy for you to say. 31, right? Yeah.
720
01:52:39.300 --> 01:52:46.019
Council Chambers: Okay, I'm gonna share this now, but you tell me what I
did wrong, because it's less than we said it should be. $1,800?
721
01:52:46.150 --> 01:52:47.719
Council Chambers: Is it capturing everything?
722
01:52:48.290 --> 01:52:54.439
Libby Wennstrom: That was $1,000 more for the Poet Laureate programming,
and it's…
723
01:52:55.220 --> 01:53:01.859
Libby Wennstrom: 500 more for supplies for maintenance, and $300 more
for…
724
01:53:02.540 --> 01:53:03.260
Council Chambers: Oh, so…
725
01:53:03.260 --> 01:53:03.719
Libby Wennstrom: Sure enough.
726
01:53:03.720 --> 01:53:11.069
Council Chambers: 500, that's why, right? Okay, yeah. Okay, so that's
what it looks like. What do people think? Nice.
727
01:53:13.430 --> 01:53:18.210
Council Chambers: I, I do think this, that's… if, the one thing that
might…
728
01:53:18.550 --> 01:53:23.009
Council Chambers: be somewhat missing from this, and maybe,
729
01:53:23.670 --> 01:53:28.320
Council Chambers: We, like, is that an explanation of what the,
730
01:53:29.730 --> 01:53:35.140
Council Chambers: an explanation of what a new artist in residence pilot
program would be.
731
01:53:35.590 --> 01:53:39.770
Libby Wennstrom: I mean, you can certainly include, like, a blurb about
each of these programs.
732
01:53:39.770 --> 01:53:41.459
Council Chambers: Yeah. So…
733
01:53:41.460 --> 01:53:59.570
Council Chambers: You know, because if I think if I was looking at this
budget, and I was, like, unaware, that's where I… that's what I would
cut. Choppable. Yeah, that's definitely the choppable-est line. So I
could try to write up a little, just very loose blurb, or if someone else
who, like…
734
01:53:59.570 --> 01:54:01.760
Council Chambers: There's a blurb in these.
735
01:54:06.360 --> 01:54:30.810
Council Chambers: Yeah, true. I actually would… I think that… I think
that that would be actually very cool, because I think that… I think
music is actually one of the more underrepresented. We have this… a lot
of the… we have the mural, we have the visual arts, we have the poets,
you know, so, like, I think that that would actually be great. Yeah,
yeah. I thought you were on here to give money away. Great buskers on
Water Street in summertime.
736
01:54:30.810 --> 01:54:32.409
Council Chambers: And I'm like, yeah.
737
01:54:32.410 --> 01:54:33.440
Council Chambers: Yeah.
738
01:54:34.090 --> 01:54:50.939
Council Chambers: Yeah, can be. Well, I mean, that would be an
interesting thing. I think, again, with our… the last 4 minutes, like,
maybe it's not, like, a total recommendation, but, like, does the… like,
do you want to make a proposal that, like, the first artist in residence
is…
739
01:54:50.940 --> 01:55:03.890
Council Chambers: has a music focus, and then that's something at least
we could, like, have to talk about, do you know what I mean? Like, as
opposed to being like, well, I don't know. I'd second that. Yeah.
740
01:55:03.890 --> 01:55:06.739
Libby Wennstrom: Leave it open, because you don't know who's gonna apply.
741
01:55:07.410 --> 01:55:07.840
Council Chambers: I would like to.
742
01:55:07.840 --> 01:55:15.140
Libby Wennstrom: I mean, you can say we'd like to see… we'd like to
encourage musicians and other areas that are less represented to apply,
but…
743
01:55:15.140 --> 01:55:26.819
Council Chambers: application process, or is it… I think it's… I don't…
well, I don't know. Like, there's a lot of, there's a lot of… There's
just, yeah, yeah. Well, and like, Libby, the discussion that the,
744
01:55:27.080 --> 01:55:34.159
Council Chambers: Grants Committee had had was that we would pick a
specific, genre and rotate.
745
01:55:34.340 --> 01:55:55.189
Council Chambers: So you would say this year it's going to be a musician,
and next year it's going to be a theater artist, and next year it's going
to be a filmmaker. So that was just very specific. For the sake of time.
Right, so that was just the idea. I think let's put that off to the
meeting after next, if we can, because I think it's important, but let's
put that process off, and…
746
01:55:55.190 --> 01:55:58.580
Libby Wennstrom: Do we need a motion about this proposed budget?
747
01:55:58.580 --> 01:56:06.660
Council Chambers: Just about to say that. Yeah. Could we get a motion to
approve, this recommended budget?
748
01:56:07.480 --> 01:56:08.879
Council Chambers: That sounded like a motion.
749
01:56:09.580 --> 01:56:19.449
Council Chambers: I move that the Port Township Arts Commission, move… we
send this budget request to City Council, if you want a…
750
01:56:19.630 --> 01:56:24.269
Council Chambers: Okay. I'm seconded. I do.
751
01:56:24.500 --> 01:56:27.840
Council Chambers: Any questions, comments?
752
01:56:27.990 --> 01:56:35.509
Council Chambers: 51's a lucky number. All in favor? Almost 52. Raise
your hand. All right, that's unanimous. All right. Cool.
753
01:56:35.690 --> 01:56:39.270
Council Chambers: Great. Thanks, everybody. That's… that's awesome. I
think I'll…
754
01:56:39.990 --> 01:56:41.499
Libby Wennstrom: $1,000 a week.
755
01:56:41.850 --> 01:57:02.490
Council Chambers: Yeah, that's kind of… that's kind of nice for the arts,
right? Yeah, I mean, one of the… one of the main arguments that PTAC made
for a long time about the budget, and Libby, maybe you may or may not
have this, like, in your mind, or is that per capita, Port Townsend gives
a very low per capita amount.
756
01:57:02.490 --> 01:57:08.680
Council Chambers: Compared to other… other places, or whatever, so… Best
Ruper being an arts community, so it's like a…
757
01:57:08.820 --> 01:57:12.430
Council Chambers: So, but like that, and that… but that… that's an
interesting… another…
758
01:57:12.690 --> 01:57:21.649
Council Chambers: $1,000 a week or whatever is also, like, a, like,
modest way to think about supporting that, I would say. Yeah, yeah.
759
01:57:21.650 --> 01:57:42.620
Council Chambers: You seconded that motion? No, I didn't. Oh, oh, I'm…
Sorry, my, okay, never mind. I forgot I moved, okay. All right, I will
forward, I will forward this along, and, we'll see what happens. All
right. Yeah. Great. Our next meeting, we're going back to the first
760
01:57:42.620 --> 01:57:46.930
Council Chambers: Thursday? Yes, yep. Is that the 1st next month?
761
01:57:47.030 --> 01:57:51.890
Council Chambers: Okay, so it's… sometimes, maybe it's, like…
762
01:57:52.080 --> 01:58:11.640
Council Chambers: It's the third, I think it's the 3rd. Yeah, the first
is October. Anyway, we'll talk about that later. So, yes, the 3rd is a,
grant… Meeting. Funding meeting. And the application closes on this,
next… on the 20th, so a week from today, if you…
763
01:58:11.680 --> 01:58:21.159
Council Chambers: know people who might want to apply, remind them, and
I'm gonna send out a newsletter on Monday, and I'll highlight the fact
that the roads are closing Thursday, so…
764
01:58:21.230 --> 01:58:34.659
Council Chambers: All right, well, we have concluded the agenda. I think
that is grounds for adjournment. Well done. We'll see you next month.
Thank you all. At 5 o'clock!