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Council Chambers: Hi, Eddie.
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Council Chambers: Okay. Well, Stephan, you'll start Googling.
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Heidi Tullmann: Hello.
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Council Chambers: Great.
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Council Chambers: We don't want that in the meeting. In which case, I
will call the meeting in order. July 2nd, because of the 6th, it is…
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Council Chambers: 303. Let's begin with a roll call.
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Council Chambers: Graussman, our Commissioner, Vice Chair.
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Council Chambers: Melanie, since the Arts Commission.
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Council Chambers: Christine Walsh-Rogers, Art Commissioner.
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Council Chambers: Dr. Saunders, our commissioner.
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Council Chambers: Melody Skyweaver, Community Services Director, which
oversees our art department. Katie Goodman, Arts and Culture Coordinator,
Staff Liaison Commission.
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Heidi Tullmann: Heidi Tolman, Commissioner.
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Council Chambers: Alright, thank you very much. Is there any suggested
changes?
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Council Chambers: To the agenda, or can we approve it again?
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Council Chambers: We're good.
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Council Chambers: I can pick it up on screen in just a moment, I'm
waiting for the first time
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Council Chambers: Hearing no… Suggested changes. I think we can go ahead
and approve that.
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Council Chambers: Body of.
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Council Chambers: Making a motion? I need a motion to approve the
minutes? Go ahead, Joshua. I'll make a motion to approve the minutes.
Agenda. I'll make a motion to approve the agenda.
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Council Chambers: Second. Okay.
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Council Chambers: Any discussion?
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Council Chambers: All in favor of it.
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Council Chambers: Did you vote, Heidi? Oh, sorry. Did you vote, I think?
Alright, approval of the minutes from May 7th. They were in the meeting
packet.
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Council Chambers: Is there a motion to approve the minutes? I had a
correction. Okay. For the record, I was also nominated for chair. I'm
declined. Not in the record, but my name is spelled correctly.
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Council Chambers: Good.
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Council Chambers: He's not in here, but I guess he'll pick that up. I
would,
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Council Chambers: Did anybody else have any questions?
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Council Chambers: So I would move that we accept with that addition.
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Council Chambers: Is there a second? A second.
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Council Chambers: Second, he was also nominated to chair in decline.
Respected.
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Council Chambers: I'll make the correction.
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Council Chambers: I'm sorry, everybody else.
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Council Chambers: Okay. Yeah, all in favor?
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Council Chambers: I love the approval of the minutes.
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Council Chambers: I didn't think… That would be unanimous.
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Council Chambers: Okay, public comments.
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Council Chambers: No, okay.
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Council Chambers: Comment for this meeting?
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Council Chambers: Step and cheerlets.
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Council Chambers: I've got the first one. Per the…
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Council Chambers: Advisory board handbook. The sitting, management
suggested that we adopt a
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Council Chambers: a statement of purpose and welcome that we read before
each meeting, that I did draft one, compiling purpose from several
different
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Council Chambers: Different documents, it is in your package.
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Council Chambers: Are there any comments on that? Have you had a chance
to read it?
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Council Chambers: Understood.
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Council Chambers: I'll just, add to this briefly, if you don't mind. So,
Debbie Yonkey for the Parks, Recreation, Trails, Trees Advisory Board,
she's been doing this for a while, and it's just great because it sets a
really positive tone for each meeting, so I'm so glad that you all are
doing this, too. But just, it's, like, good expectation setting,
especially if we have members of the public.
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Council Chambers: I think it's very welcome. A little expansion from our
normal mission statement. Yes. I pulled from a couple of different
documents.
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Council Chambers: So, hit it if you need.
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Council Chambers: Any comments or suggesting changes?
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Council Chambers: Assuming we need a motion to adopt this, Reddit app.
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Council Chambers: The beginning of upcoming meetings.
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Council Chambers: It does say good afternoon, and I guess all our
meetings are in the afternoon. Have we ever had special meetings earlier?
Good day. Sounds like Willy Walk out. I said, good day, sir.
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Council Chambers: Or an advocacy group. Yeah, thank you. Okay, is there a
motion?
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Council Chambers: Can I make a motion to accept this welcoming statement
as written?
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Council Chambers: I'll second it.
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Council Chambers: At what point is it red?
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Council Chambers: Usually, heck, it would be even before Thursday.
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Council Chambers: Sorry, that was a problem.
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Council Chambers: My career in that building.
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Council Chambers: Yeah. Okay.
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Council Chambers: Aye. That is the name of us.
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Council Chambers: Treasurer's Update Element.
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Council Chambers: So, since the last meeting, we had the…
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Council Chambers: The, grants for the artist.
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Council Chambers: From the last meeting. So that was $22,500.
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Council Chambers: into puzzles, right, because then it has gone out.
Yeah.
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Council Chambers: That was it.
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Council Chambers: If I might add the expenditures for the art boards,
that's for…
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Council Chambers: the 2025 awards that were presented in 2026. Right,
yes, what's been expended already was for the event that happened in,
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Council Chambers: In February, what's still there, you know, for the
event that will happen in 2020.
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Council Chambers: We have a plan for marketing, and our may revolve
around
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Council Chambers: Well, so the marketing budget that's there, that's
$400, last year, was used…
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Council Chambers: To advertise for this whole laureate search, and then
began to advertise for domination for the art form.
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Council Chambers: The fear there isn't a specific, like.
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Council Chambers: plans for those funds yet, except, you know, it seems
like the Commission could decide to use them for similar,
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Council Chambers: simpler things, or to use them to market. Are you able
to come up, Councilmember Winstrom, to a panelist, or do I need to go ask
Lonnie to do that?
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Council Chambers: She's already…
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Libby Wennstrom: He just did, so we're good.
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Council Chambers: Okay, I just saw the email, so thank you.
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Libby Wennstrom: Yeah, I figured I should have scattershotted hoping
somebody would notice that I was here, so thanks.
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Council Chambers: It's always good to be masked.
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Council Chambers: So, yeah, that's a little… There wasn't.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, so, yeah, the commission could choose what kind
of marketing they want to do to respond.
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Council Chambers: Any other… Questions? Nomans?
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Council Chambers: Would we decide to do that just later in the year?
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Council Chambers: Well, it might be something we, want to discuss.
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Council Chambers: to this day during, like, the work plan conversation,
that's something that could come out of that. It could also be something
that comes out of one of the work groups, as, like, and comes back to,
like, mission, like, our work group could come and say, hey, we want to
use it for this, or,
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Council Chambers: You know, I mean, those type of work groups that are…
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Council Chambers: working on different projects, and say, review some of
our marketing budget at XYZ, and then… So we talked about this in the
article or field paper or something. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: So yeah, just, it sort of just depends on what the
priority is of the…
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Council Chambers: Okay.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, so, I have been…
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Council Chambers: thinking for a little bit about, you know, now that the
creative districts have been under the city's management for a little
over a year, and I've been staffing this group, and working with ELPAC
and lots of different, you know, elements of the work of arts and
culture.
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Council Chambers: kind of function of the city, which are, you know,
growing and evolving, you know, and, I was wanting to put together sort
of, like, a little, like, retreat with some, folks from all of those
different parts of the work, the artwork that happens in the city,
sometime maybe, like, in August, just to kind of look at where we are,
look at what we
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Council Chambers: We've done, and talk about how we can kind of, like.
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Council Chambers: getting to, kind of, like, get information to work
together in the future, so that, like, all of the things that we are… are
trying to achieve are… are fitting together.
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Council Chambers: I just… there's something that's been on my mind, and
so I, was at the LTAC meeting, you know, a couple of weeks ago, and sort
of put it out to them, and a couple people were like, yeah, I'd love to
have that conversation. So now I'm just putting it out to PTAC, and
there's a couple people who'd like to be in that conversation, and we'll
have, you know, maybe, like, a
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Council Chambers: half-day retreat, just sort of, like, working through
some of these ideas and talking about what, like, the next steps are for
the creative district and for, like, the arts, agency in general.
Especially that you just attended the Creative District, your second
creative district meeting, too, so you have
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Council Chambers: Great. A lot of wonderful ideas about different models
and how things are working. Yeah, just seeing the way the different, you
know, different municipalities are leveraging the resource of having a
creative district, and how they're working with their arts commissions
and their other, like, their other city functions, and stuff like that.
I'm actually interested in trying to figure out, like, a really nice way
to pull all that all together, so…
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Council Chambers: Is there any… is there a couple… are there a couple
people who'd be interested in that, or… I would. Okay. Alright, Doug,
anybody else? And I can put out something like a local form. And you too,
Christy? Yeah, I will be.
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Council Chambers: I thought there's that many counts. Sure.
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Council Chambers: Related to that, to speak.
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Council Chambers: Later. I was reviewing the,
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Council Chambers: Creative District Arts Culture Plan. Is there still a
governing body for that entity? So there was, like, a steering committee
that was… I… that I had sort of assembled, and we worked together through
soundcheck.
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Council Chambers: And it hasn't really… I haven't reconstituted it yet,
and that is, like, part of the reason for, like, having this discussion,
is that instead of just kind of doing that, like, kind of independently,
I thought it would make sense more to talk about, like.
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Council Chambers: How the different levels of oversight can coordinate
better.
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Council Chambers: So that was sort of one of my thoughts, was that, like,
how… what does that look like? And there are some models from other
places in the state that I, yeah, learned about, at the convening that I
thought were really interesting. I just, you know, I think that it made
sense just to think about it a little more holistically. So I haven't,
like, re… re-brought that group together yet. The other thing I'll add, I
think it's a good question, Doug, is that when the Creative District was
first
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Council Chambers: founded, or when the… we called it the subcommittee
came together, that was 2019, and it was a group of arts leaders and some
city officials, and we started the Creative District, so I was one of the
people involved, as well as Owen Rowe, our deputy mayor, with other arts
leaders throughout the community, and so we were the subcommittee that
stewarded that when it was under Main Street's umbrella.
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Council Chambers: leadership, and then we turn that into a, transition
team as we transition the creative district over to the subcommittee, or
to the city, and then we sunset the sub.
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Council Chambers: committee, especially when we got Katie's leadership,
so… Okay. It's just kind of wider context for the group of how we found,
you know, pretty… hopefully a pretty seamless handoff.
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Council Chambers: So, how are decisions made? Like, so I was on that
committee for a little while, we, just sort of… it was consensus, we just
sort of talked about
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Council Chambers: actions. There wasn't really ever a vote or anything
like that. No, it didn't run by Robert's Rule of Order. It wasn't, like,
as official as, like, a city council meeting or advisory board. It's a
good question, so it's pretty much what you're saying. So, like, when
the,
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Council Chambers: The lighted whale went into the park across the street,
and that was a Creative District decision. That was a Main Street. Oh,
Main Street. Yeah, yeah, good question, yeah. And our members team heard
a lot about that, so we've had some good discussions with Main Street
about that particular project, so thank you, Dan.
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Council Chambers: Well, and I also had a similar question like that.
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Council Chambers: That granted was… That the city project, yeah. Was it
applied for by the creative district? Yeah. Well, the creative district
is part of the city, so they're one and the city. So, yes to both, yeah,
yeah.
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Council Chambers: Only Creative Districts can apply for that grant, and
because the creative district is an entity of the city, we said he
applied for that grant. So, my question, I guess, is…
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Council Chambers: Who, either an individual or an entity, initiated that
process, suggested Grant.
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Council Chambers: That was Katie and I. And then, when we do grants for
the city, we run them through City Council. So then, before we actually
apply for a grant, especially if there's a mask or any kind of budgetary
impact, which there's always some kind of budgetary impact, because at
least, at the very least, it's staff.
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Council Chambers: And then Council approves that, and they give the
authority to the City Manager to execute a grant, apply for the grant.
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Council Chambers: So you do the preliminary, because there's, like, in-
kind expenses and things, yeah. Okay.
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Council Chambers: And Katie's an exemplary ground. Yes, excellent.
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Council Chambers: You can come in.
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Council Chambers: And then, because it was, like, a, you know, a
commission.
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Council Chambers: a commission for public artwork, that's when we, you
know, activated the Arts and Public Safety's policies and procedures, and
then PTAC, you know, got, like, work sort of oversees that process.
Trueered the artist selection panel. Right. Which hadn't happened since
2014? Yeah, 10 years.
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Council Chambers: It's still working. That's good news. That's also, I
think, a good…
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Council Chambers: clarify that, so I'm excited to hear about that. Yeah,
yeah, I agree, I agree as well. But, yeah, and because there are
different mechanisms, right? Like, staff.
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Council Chambers: are, I think, often the people who are bringing, like.
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Council Chambers: things that grants forward to, you know, funding
opportunities, like an RCO grant or something like that, would come from
the members department, not necessarily NRCAP, right? For example. And so
there's, you know, just, like, the different spheres of responsibility
from, like, a staff side versus an advisor side. Nonprofits, too. You
know, we had, you know, foundations, friends of. And the beauty of it
was, prior to that.
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Council Chambers: We asked ourselves as a commission, hey, could we go at
a…
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Council Chambers: Right, request, grants, and there was some hiccup,
like, we couldn't, so…
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Council Chambers: this staff entity, and that goes.
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Council Chambers: That's also how creative districts are really
successful, is when they actually update staff, and that just volunteers.
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Council Chambers: Great, okay, well, I'll be more in touch more later
about that. I have to, you know, look for, like, a good time and…
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Council Chambers: And place, too.
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Council Chambers: Sort of keep, figuring all this stuff out together,
because I think it's really exciting.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. It's okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. He
just promoted you to city attorney. I'm not sure you want. Everything for
the parks.
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Council Chambers: Now, yeah, I'm the parks manager. Okay. Yeah. So, we
take care of the maintenance of all the art, and so, that's the topic for
today, but happy to answer any questions if anything comes up.
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Council Chambers: That's where the Parks Connection. Yes. And it's also
part of the Community Services Department. Correct.
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Council Chambers: I'm sorry. Okay, that's okay. And I had initially,
asked Michael to be here, because
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Council Chambers: It seemed like there wasn't, that… like, I'm out of
town on Monday and Wednesday Council to look at the beer hall RS
selection.
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Council Chambers: And it sounded like Melody might not be able to be
there either, so Michael generously stepped up to say he could help with
that process. That's kind of the in-kind, is the match is our staff time,
yeah. Which is not insubstantial.
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Council Chambers: Perfectly.
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Council Chambers: really fast.
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Council Chambers: Any other staff would share updates?
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Council Chambers: It is, committee reports the Public Arts Committee.
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Council Chambers: But you didn't? No, that's why I wanted, but you don't
have a meter at all. I did not attend the last meeting due to…
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Council Chambers: vacationing. What's in the packet here, other than this
is kind of blocked, I guess I'll zoom through it. Or hopefully everyone's
had a chance to see these. What I included in this packet for everybody
was the final three, applications.
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Council Chambers: The finalist presentations from the, From the skate
park project?
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Council Chambers: That was publicly presented on June 23rd at the Cotton
Building.
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Council Chambers: Over 50 people attended. Many of you were there.
Awesome.
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Council Chambers: And I just included those in there for a little bit of
background for everybody.
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Council Chambers: I want to get to the one that we're talking about.
Well, while you're opening it, Katie, I just want to take this moment to
really thank, your leadership and your organizational skills, because it
is no small feat to pull together
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Council Chambers: A public call for artists, and an art selection panel.
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Council Chambers: And you just really made a really involved, in-depth
process pretty seamless. And many of you served on that committee, so I
just wanted to share my gratitude with you all for taking a lot of time
to review all of these applications and to get to the point we are at
tonight.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, this is quite exciting. I think everyone probably
knows the background on this, at least everyone on the Commission at this
point, but just briefly,
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Council Chambers: As we discussed a little earlier, the Creative District
went out for a grant,
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Council Chambers: to do a mural at the skate park, that grant was
received. We opened the, arts and public placements policies and
procedures. Yeah, like, the process, which included putting together an
artist selection panel made up of members of the public art committee
from this body, as well as community members and artists at large, and
people from, like.
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Council Chambers: corresponding other advisory bodies that had, sort of,
a stake in the project, like the Parks Board and the Storm Preservation
Committee. That… that…
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Council Chambers: Our selection panel reviewed 17 applications from local
artists, chose 3 finalists. Those 3 finalists did public presentations,
that they prepared, showing the concept of what they would want to bring
to life at the skate park.
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Council Chambers: We took the public's comments from that.
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Council Chambers: from those presentations, as well as, like, further,
like, input from the artist selection panel, and the artist selection
panel, chose to recommend Jesse Joshua Watson, who is a local muralist
and book cover designer, to receive the commission.
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Council Chambers: Part of the next step in the process, if we're
following the
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Council Chambers: parts of public placement policies and procedures, is
that this group, the Arts Commission, makes a recommendation to Council,
based on the artist's selection panel's recommendation to the Arts
Commission, as to whether or not they agree with this, as that's the next
step, like, agree with Jesse's
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Council Chambers: the choice of Jesse as artist for this mural. So, the,
the, action today would be, for the Commission to,
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Council Chambers: you know, should you also choose to make a motion to
accept the recommendation from the artist selection panel, and forward
that to Council, to City Council?
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Council Chambers: Recommend that, yeah, forward that recommendation to
City Council. Which goes to City Council on Monday, and that would be up,
and then they would look at this on Monday night, and make the final
determination as to whether this, you know, was
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Council Chambers: the wall of the city, or whatever. Right.
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Council Chambers: So, yeah, like I said, I think most people, have been
following this process relatively closely, but, like, you know, we can
have a discussion, and then if someone wants to make a motion, or we can
make a motion and have a discussion. Is there a report from the
committee?
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Council Chambers: I would be happy to talk about it a bit.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, so it was a pretty, like…
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Council Chambers: equal weighting between Martz and Mann, I would say,
and then Jesse Watson, as far as these three finalists, was
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Council Chambers: was, like, you know, he stood out above them score-
wise, but not, you know, not, like, 20 points ahead, right? Like, 6 or 7,
you can see it in the packet, right? Yeah.
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Council Chambers: I feel like, for the most part, the members of the
committee were supportive of any artist.
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Council Chambers: That was chosen, but it was clear that there was a lot
of support for Jesse Watson. The exception to that was Revin.
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Council Chambers: who, was there to represent skaters, if I'm not
mistaken. I want to… Community member. Community member kind of
representing the skaters.
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Council Chambers: And he just seemed to be very… God.
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Council Chambers: very much wanting Nick Mann.
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Council Chambers: And with, like, to the exclusion of anything, rather
than being like, oh, I would, you know, prefer that. So we had a good
discussion, so we could kind of all get around it, and, you know, we
voted as a committee. He did not vote for Jesse, but everyone else did.
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Council Chambers: And so… 3 to 2. Sorry, 3 to 2. Sorry, you're right, 3
to 2. And so, we had some further discussion, right, because we didn't
want to make sure, if we moved forward, that we didn't have somebody who
was going to be out there
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Council Chambers: saying, no, no, that's not what everybody wanted. I
think he will be on board, and I… I think…
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Council Chambers: the selection of Jesse is somebody who will definitely
take in
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Council Chambers: people's feedback and listen, right? He's not… he's not
gonna be so stuck to his idea that if
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Council Chambers: he's not gonna say, like, I'm gonna do it anyway. But
in fact, he said when we reached out to him for a quote, he said he's
looking forward into doing more community engagement with the skaters and
community at large to make sure that design really works. Yeah. Yeah, his
presentation last week was also based on that. It was community feedback,
and not just doing it on his own, but doing it from, you know, with the
help of community members, skaters.
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Council Chambers: You know, and as a committee, we provided some
guidelines of what we wanted at that presentation, and we paid for that,
and I feel like, Jesse, I was not there for it, but I was going by the
written packet I was provided, and by the written packet, I could clearly
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Council Chambers: tell the entire story through with Jesse, where the
other ones just seem like a lot of art examples. There's a little bit in…
more, I think, in Nick than in Tyler's future vision, that I could glean
from it, but it felt like he gave us the most complete package.
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Council Chambers: From that perspective.
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Council Chambers: Jeffy also had, I think, the most support from the
public comments from the meeting on the 23rd as well. You know, that
that… they… the community got a voice, not a vote, because it was up for
the art selection panel to decide, but that was, you know, incorporated
as you all worked to make your decision.
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Council Chambers: I do feel like there was, you know.
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Council Chambers: maybe some slight disagreement, but there was good
discussion, and I don't think we walked away, like, in contention.
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Council Chambers: It felt very resolved. There was also another panelist,
Samantha Stromberg, who also was representing the skate park and skaters,
and she had shared that Jesse was her number one pick as well, even
though she wasn't able to be there.
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Council Chambers: So, there were two of those, for other artists. That's
worth memorializing the record for the next time we do this. It wasn't
really clear, we had two members that were president. Two or three? Two?
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Council Chambers: I wasn't there. Did my vote come? Was it Samantha's.
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Council Chambers: both were there, and you actually, like, both canceled
each other out. Well, that was the question. It's like, they both put
forth contracts. No, go ahead. They both put forth their, preference.
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Council Chambers: through, like, an email message, but didn't, like, it
wasn't clear if you could send your vote in that way. So luckily, the two
people that weren't there canceled each other out, so we just voted as
five. But we might want to make that clear in the future, and I would
also suggest maybe in the future we
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Council Chambers: Do a little, parliamentary procedure lesson as to what
it means to be in a democratic process, and, you know, whatever the
result was.
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Council Chambers: We have that one's excellent. This one's… even if
you're not voting for it, once it's approved, we are all stewards of the,
you know, sentiment moving forward, and… Yeah.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, we talked about that as well. That would be a
wise thing to do. It's good to just improve the process, and I do want to
be clear that we did share Samantha and Joshua's feedback for the panel
to consider, so even though you weren't there, you had shared your
feedback so that we could make sure that was…
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Council Chambers: I think we'll grade it into the discussion. We sit in
all of our meetings like this, but yeah, we have people from the
community coming in, you know, people at large that might want to
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Council Chambers: orient them a little bit better. I think that's
excellent feedback, and… I think for people who aren't used to this, it
is a big learning gap. Yeah. Don't take it personally. No, no, I think
it's good. It was certainly on my mind already, like, oh, that would have
been a good thing to do, is take a little bit of a step back, and be
like, this is how this all worked. It's kind of outlined in the… in,
like, the,
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Council Chambers: Maybe before, but it's like, you know, it's different
to have to, like, read through that whole thing. Right. Well, on some of
the folks that are representing the community, I don't know that they
read that. It wasn't overall pretty smooth, that's a little fine-tuning.
Yeah. I think it was overall pretty smooth, and I…
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Council Chambers: You know, I think…
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Council Chambers: It's a… it was a hard choice because the options were
really good, because the options were not really good, which is, like, a
much better way… Great place to be in. A hard choice. We couldn't have
gone wrong with either, right. But, you know, I think… I really… if you
didn't feel like,
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Council Chambers: the, you know, you mentioned from a metrics-based
standpoint, and then with, like, the, you know, the company's choice at
the end really didn't lead towards checking almost the entire process, so
it felt, like, appropriate to me that that was the outcome, but…
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Council Chambers: Is there other minutes or any kind of documents?
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Council Chambers: We don't do that with those, typically, yeah, because
it's not a decision making, you know, it's not a… it's not a
recommendation, not a decision. So, this would be the, for instance.
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Council Chambers: This is the official, yeah, and then it's going to be
in the minutes, and it's going to be recorded, and then that is what you
all decide is what then will be taken to Council on Sunday.
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Council Chambers: The other question I would ask of the committee
members, Like I mentioned that.
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Council Chambers: Some of the descent.
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Council Chambers: Again, it's the final choice, walking from… People
representing the skaters.
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Council Chambers: One person, one person. Were there other skater
representatives? Yes, and that person would have voted for Jesse, but she
was not present, but we had her commentary. No, that's not a… my question
was, is there any concern about that? Right, I don't… that's what I'm
saying, is I think,
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Council Chambers: there wasn't a bad choice, right? And there was a
reason why…
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Council Chambers: he, explained that he had an affinity for… for Nickman,
which… I really wanted to take all of that into… right, to listen to
that. I think there was,
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Council Chambers: points that he made that, of course, whoever is
selected needs to know, right?
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Council Chambers: So, as Melody said, that was… that's a point that I've
already been shared with Jesse, and he's receptive to.
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Council Chambers: Not, like, is the art too loud, if you will, right?
Too…
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Council Chambers: to distracting to skaters or something like that,
right? And is there a vision of it that might be considered negative
because of the post-apocalyptic
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Council Chambers: Patient provision at a warehouse and underwater.
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Council Chambers: Although, we did, we did talk about that a lot, because
we looked at skate park examples of skate park art throughout the
country, and a lot of them are very loud, very colorful. Right. They're…
I mean, some of them are…
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Council Chambers: like, pure loud graffiti, you know? Including on the
bowl. New York City subway-style graffiti, as I call it. At the end of
the day, there is, like, one style, or one, like, everyone's gonna have a
different opinion about it, ultimately, but that's why we tried, I think,
to do, you know, a good job of getting a lot of feedback from the public
and from different…
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Council Chambers: You know, not just from, like, one person's opinion,
but it really was, like…
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Council Chambers: I would say, from my perspective, it does feel a little
bit like…
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Council Chambers: the public is excited to do a thing in somewhere that
the public doesn't really use. And, like, I'm just saying, like, you
know, like, the public was like, yay, we want this colorful, intense
mural in this place that we
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Council Chambers: probably never go to. And I will say from, like, the
other people that I'm, like, you know, that I have friendships with, that
are, like, that skate at the park, like, constantly, it was pretty, like,
they were all pretty adamantly, like.
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Council Chambers: Do we even want a mural? Not really. You know, and I do
think it was just… this isn't, like, a negative comment, because I
understand that, like.
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Council Chambers: you know, being pro-art as a community and, like,
putting energy behind that stance is important, but I do think that I… I
did kind of feel a little bit like the public was excited to do a thing.
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Council Chambers: And the thing sort of, like, became its own momentum,
and, like, the sight of it was kind of, you know? Like, I know that we,
like, have to have a site, and I know that, like, it's cool to, like,
decorate the skateboard, because people are like, oh, it's just gray, or
whatever, but, like…
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Council Chambers: after the meeting at the Cotton Building, like, I
talked to a lot of people that I know that skate, and they were kind of
like.
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Council Chambers: This sucks. I don't know, I just… I don't… I feel like
I… I wish I could be, like.
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Council Chambers: Excited! People who've been at that presentation, or
people who… Yeah, people that had been at the presentation. I mean, there
was a few people that I knew that, like, skate, like, pretty much, like,
many times a week, who were at the presentation, or, like.
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Council Chambers: We liked Mann, because Mann… the main thing that Nick
Mann said that was different was he was like, I'm gonna try and, like,
use a, like, subdued palette to not make it, like, crazy intense and
loud, because then visually it's not gonna be so busy, and also, like.
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Council Chambers: One dude at the end, I forget his name, kyler, my
husband. No, not Kyler,
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Council Chambers: But the… the comment from the, the guy who's, like, the
guy who, like, sweeps the park every day and, like… Oh, Sean! Yeah, Sean.
Our crew chief apprentice, yeah. Yeah, he was, like… I feel like, you
know.
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Council Chambers: It was… it was like, if you… if he was, like, an
extreme, sort of, where he felt like he was sort of, like, anti in a way
that was kind of like…
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Council Chambers: had some, like, personal reasons, too. Like, he was,
like, kind of, like, anti-social media and anti a lot of things related
to that. Like, if you use him as, like, an extreme, I would say the
people that I'm, like, friends with are kind of, like, not that far, but
we're still, like, we would like it to be subdued so it wasn't, like, so
crazy and visually loud.
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Council Chambers: And I just get that, you know, I guess it's… I just
feel like…
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Council Chambers: I think it's important to notate that, and I would like
to put, like.
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Council Chambers: bring that up on the record, because, you know, I know
it's, like, exciting… it's exciting to get the grant. It's exciting to
have energy towards artistic projects in our town, and that I'm very pro.
I just… I just think that it's…
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Council Chambers: it's… it is kind of an interesting thing because of the
site, you know what I mean? And because of the small community, and
because of the type of community.
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Council Chambers: like, because they're so, like, people who are at the
park, like, it's a small group, and they're there, like, a lot, and it is
kind of, like, a really, like, meaningful thing to their, like, their
lives, and I do think it's easy for the public to be like, let's go,
let's paint, we want crazy, bright, amazing colors to, like, take
pictures with. Yeah. Well, I haven't…
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Council Chambers: seen that be the perspective, and I also don't think… I
guess I don't find, like, Jesse's work particularly, like, loud and
aggressive, and I… Because there were some other examples that were,
like, actually much more, but actually… Thank you for that feedback. I
think it's really valuable, and I think Jesse is going to really listen.
I think there are a couple of points that's just important for the Arts
Commission to be aware of.
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Council Chambers: There were… and it's just very typical with any kind of
grant or municipal finance, because if you're not a part of municipal
government, the way money works is really confusing. It can be. And I
think what we heard at first from the people that do use the skate park
is that they would rather have that money invested to fix…
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Council Chambers: pick, you know, fix up this skate park. And we tried to
be really clear that, like, we either used this money for a mural, or
nothing. It can't be for anything else. So to help them understand that,
I think this was also coming on the heels of when everything was
happening with the rec center and the county, and so there was a lot of
feelings that, like, money wasn't being, gone into parks, and there was
confusion between the county and
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Council Chambers: the city, so we're trying to clarify that, too, and I
think as we talk to people and have conversations, they do understand
that more, and our hope is that the more we invest in the skate park with
things like ours, it's going to bring more attention to that. It's also,
even though the skate park is, you know, used by heavy users, it is also
important to remember the skate park is for everyone in the community,
and we hope that more people will feel like it's a place for them,
because we always want to make sure our parks are accessible.
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Council Chambers: accessible and welcoming for everyone. And I think the
other point is.
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Council Chambers: Part of why we got to this project was the inspiration
about the momentum that happened with OSAP last year around Memorial
Fence, which was a county project, and doing something in the creative
district, too. So… Oh, it was the Outsider Street Art Project that Alex
ran, so all you see on the Memorial Fence, which was not an art project
that Katie did
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Council Chambers: How, you know, as, you know, just kind of an advisor,
so…
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Council Chambers: So, if I might, let me make one suggestion and ask a
question. You know, perhaps we need to revisit this discussion when we
work out of work when goals.
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Council Chambers: And, you know, talk about the process for the AP4.
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Council Chambers: plan, because I think, yeah, Josh, you make some great
points. I mean, I also agree, I feel like you're totally right, and I
think that from a lot of people that I talk to, that
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Council Chambers: that misunderstanding about, like, where the funds were
from and what they were meant for was, like, pretty widespread, too. I
think the original, like, blowback was, like, why can't we get lights,
and why can't we just spend money on the actual infrastructure of the
park? People didn't understand that, and you kind of don't expect them
to, in a way, but I definitely, like, shared that information with a lot
of people, too, and it did change. I think that's really helpful.
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Council Chambers: It's just, you know, doing that good… For sure, yeah.
And I don't say this as a commissioner, but as a citizen, like, these
types of projects also raise an awareness that then could be used
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Council Chambers: to promote things like, you know, some private
fundraising to improve the lighting and things like that, right? They
raise energy in the community, so… Yeah, and I think one thing that Evan
shared, which is really amazing, is just the history of how this skate
park got built and what went into it, and I think, you know, we're
hopeful that Jesse can help bring that out a little more, too, because
it's really incredibly unique, and it's amazing that we have
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Council Chambers: this caliber of skate park in our community, and until
I went through this process, I didn't know that level of history either.
I think a lot of our community, unless they were involved in it.
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Council Chambers: you know, a few decades ago, they might not necessarily
know that. But Jesse West, which I think is, like, worth pointing out.
Yeah, Jesse was involved with that. He hated, like, the old park before.
Right, right. All this investment from the city to begin with, it was
just, like, done by, like, the community board. Well, like, one of the
applicants is…
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Council Chambers: you know, my boy has done tattoos for me. I knew her
son's name, but I had no idea that her son was literally named after it.
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Council Chambers: It was Sid, so I was like, oh, that's fantastic. Yeah,
these community connections are all, you know, they're all going to
persist and still happen, no matter who does the art, so, that's what I
think is interesting about, like, the kind of insider-outsider, like,
conversation, is that it isn't actually just about that one group, it
really is about, like, a bunch of layers of people who have their
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Council Chambers: connections to that space for different reasons, and
have these other, like, ways… and, and…
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Council Chambers: Yeah, so I don't know. I also don't think that, like,
that I know what you're saying, Joshua, and I could, like, forgotten some
people who is the part, but it also, like.
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Council Chambers: there's also actually quite a lot of people who use the
park, and they all have quite different opinions, you know what I mean?
Like, Samantha is, like, very excited about this project. A lot of
families that I know who have, like.
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Council Chambers: kids use the park and stuff, but really psyched about
it, so I don't know, it's hard to, like, get a monolithic opinion.
Totally. Like, I've seen it from a lot of different people. In the
interest of time, let's come back to this discussion when we talk about
work planning.
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Council Chambers: So, the Commission now, has the option to approve this
recommendation. If we don't approve it, what are the options? If you
don't recommend this to Council,
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Council Chambers: Then… we would probably… I guess.
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Council Chambers: We would go back to the artist selection panel and say,
we've had to recommend this decision, we have to, like.
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Council Chambers: go back and get the back together. We'd have to look
through our policies and procedures pretty closely to see what it says
about that. I don't know right off the top of my head. And there's a
deadline on the grant process, right? Yeah, because we want to get this
done by, like, November. I mean, really, to have it done before the
weighing comes, right? Yeah. Something I brought up in the meeting. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: a little 11 years ago, when we did the parent work.
That was the second choice, or that was the second,
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Council Chambers: Call. Convenient, yep, second call.
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Council Chambers: Because the first round, we… the committee just
couldn't get behind any of the proposals, and so then we narrowed the
scope down to street furniture, something functional. I know that's not
the same, because we didn't come up with a recommendation that then PTAC
shot down and had to go back, but it was a little bit similar to where we
got those instructions and balance it back.
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Council Chambers: I mean, if the selection committee was like, we don't
want to do any of these, then yeah, then it would have been a different…
you know. But it did delay things before the call, yeah. So if, yeah, I
mean, if the… if PTAC
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Council Chambers: So, yeah, not to make that recommendation, yeah, we put
the selection panel back together, and they'd have to make another
decision after the recommendation.
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Council Chambers: It was a grant, okay, so you had a deadline, too. No,
it was 1%. Oh, it was the 1%, that's right, yeah, the blue here. Well, on
that note, I love making money. I love it. I move… I move that, we…
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Council Chambers: I believe that PTAC recommends the City Council put
forward the artist selection panels
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Council Chambers: Artist choice of Jesse Watson for the mural.
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Council Chambers: The second… What's that, Mr. Christine?
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Council Chambers: Do we just need, like, a majority? Okay, cool.
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Heidi Tullmann: I have a question.
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Heidi Tullmann: If I was one of the submissions, would I then abstain
from this vote?
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Council Chambers: I, I don't… I think because of…
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Council Chambers: wasn't part of, like, the whole thing and stuff like
that? I don't think it would matter. I don't think it's a conflict of
interest. I don't think so either. Yeah. I just… I thought it was…
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Council Chambers: She's not… she is actually not a… she can vote for it,
because she's not a part of the actual voting of right now. Her
submission is not being subjected right now.
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Council Chambers: Thank you, I appreciate thinking about that. And you're
not, like, a family member with any of the final… with the final
selection, right, or anything like that? Yeah, if I remember rightly,
the…
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Council Chambers: the detail was if there's financial, immediate
financial, so… Yeah. All right. We have a motion, that PTAC recommends to
City Council, the…
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Council Chambers: proposal from, Jesse Watson. Any further discussion?
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Council Chambers: Hearing none, all those in favor?
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Council Chambers: I hate for you.
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Council Chambers: All those opposed?
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Council Chambers: Substitious? Yeah, I'm gonna have to do this.
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Council Chambers: Spend a little bit.
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Council Chambers: Did you vote them? Okay. I know you were busy taking
notes. The motion passed by one abstention.
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Council Chambers: Chair, did we get a second for that?
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Council Chambers: Motion.
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Council Chambers: That was, Christy.
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Council Chambers: Thank you.
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Council Chambers: Great, thank you. So, we will update you all on how
Monday night's Council goes. I think the other thing that Katie and I
wanted to ask of you all, so I am planning on being at the council
meeting. Katie's on vacation, but are any of you able to attend the
council meeting? It's up towards the beginning.
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Council Chambers: You don't have to talk, but I just thought it might be
nice to recognize some PTAC
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Council Chambers: Commissioners, and Jesse will be in the audience as
well. When is it? It's this Monday night at 6 o'clock. Monday, July 6th.
I will be in Seattle. Right on the USMNT. It's 6 o'clock. That timing is
just… Yeah, I know.
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Council Chambers: I might be able to be… seems like I have something. I
mean, you don't have to, it's just a nice thing, and it's also nice to
recognize our commissioners, too, to City Council and the work you all
do, so… And if you can't attend in person, but maybe you could attend
online, too, just let me know, because then I can acknowledge that you're
online as well, because the council meetings are held.
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Council Chambers: Alright,
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Council Chambers: Oh, is there something in chat? Do you want to double-
check the chat real quick? Thanks, Michael. We've learned our lesson from
some per-chab meetings, where we really said.
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Council Chambers: There's no one in chat. Actually, I take that back. I
do believe Dana is actually here on the phone with us.
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Council Chambers: I've already asked her to unmute, I'll ask again, and
she can actually talk if she wants to.
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Council Chambers: Okay. Oh, okay. Too late to go.
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Council Chambers: Well, if he's here.
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13606430759: Hello?
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Council Chambers: Data, did you have any input? Yes, please.
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13606430759: Sorry, what was that? You're a little muffled, I didn't hear
what you said. Can you repeat that?
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Council Chambers: Do you have any input or comment on the,
recommendation?
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Council Chambers: From the Artist Selection Committee, the Skate Park
Bureau.
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13606430759: No, well, I've been listening to all the, the great
comments, and I really, they're very insightful. I did go to the meeting,
and as we were saying before, I really thought they were all very capable
and really.
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13606430759: Any one of them could, get the appointment, but…
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13606430759: Yeah, so, sounds like Jesse's the guy, so that's good.
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13606430759: It's fine with me.
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Council Chambers: Alright.
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13606430759: Sorry, I'm kind of fading in and out. I'm actually picking
raspberries right now.
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Council Chambers: We'll be… Thanks, David. Why aren't you sharing?
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Council Chambers: Susan doesn't.
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13606430759: Yeah, they're delicious. Huge.
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Council Chambers: Oh, sorry about missing…
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13606430759: it, yeah, I… All right.
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13606430759: Thank you.
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Council Chambers: Thank you. Yeah, please speak up, if we don't… if we
don't see you. Moving on to grants.
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Council Chambers: We have not scheduled a meeting. I will, bring up the
Simon's comments after our last grant meeting that you felt like,
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Council Chambers: The time we spent with public input,
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Council Chambers: took away from some of the discussion that we could
have… could have had, and maybe needed to have. So, you know, certainly
the committee has discussed
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Council Chambers: The option of no longer having
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Council Chambers: public input from the applicants at those meetings,
just so we have more time to talk, and perhaps asking the applicants to
do a bit earlier, so that we have time to
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Council Chambers: Questions to them,
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Council Chambers: What we've talked about is that something's not a
change we want to make for this last
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Council Chambers: go-around, and I'm not sure we could do that. It's
already been… Hosted by OCAL.
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Council Chambers: If there's any commission comment about
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Council Chambers: Public comments from grant applicants, yes.
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Council Chambers: That is one of the perks of this job, is that's the one
time where you get to interface with people, and I do really like that,
but I also see the pragmatic need to do away with it, just so we can
spend more time delivering it. So, it'd be nice to have it, but I
understand it can't go both ways, so…
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Council Chambers: Or perhaps you can come up with some… Or an alternative
venue to have an interaction? I don't know.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, I kind of, I hear that, like, it's kind of
awesome, and there's also, also often a cross-pollination between the
grantees themselves when they hear from, oh, oh, that project is
interesting to me, and my project actually, like… Yeah, they mingle over
there. Yeah, so I do, I do think thinking about a way to maybe
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Council Chambers: Well, yeah, maybe there's some middle ground.
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Council Chambers: Like, who should be expected?
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Council Chambers: Yeah, there might be some good, some other… There might
be some other options. Could we ask them to submit, like, a two-minute
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Council Chambers: Video that, you know, just something that they've
recorded on their…
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Council Chambers: basically making their presentation, which then could
be part of the packet. At least that way.
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Council Chambers: We get a chance to…
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Council Chambers: have some sense of an engagement with them, without it
also taking away from the ability to actually have the discussion and,
you know, process of the meeting. I think that's a great idea, I just
wonder…
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Council Chambers: Will all the applicants have that technical capability?
Yeah, I would say it's sometimes tricky for people in this town just to
do the basic, like, type into a online form. I'm not, like, not… well,
that's why I was like, it doesn't have to be fancy, just basically, like,
talking to your phone.
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Council Chambers: Thank you, thank you so much.
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Council Chambers: The problem with the video is that we…
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Council Chambers: Not as simple as it sounds. I think meeting it the
first time actually would be that bad.
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Council Chambers: And how we would get the video into our packet for
everybody.
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Council Chambers: On the outskirts to see it, too.
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Council Chambers: I think it's a really good comment. I need to call a
meeting of the grant subcommittee and my students exactly, I think the
deadline clients. Yes. So… Yeah, I appreciate that. Is there… is there
policy or something that, like, limits us to that amount of time?
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Council Chambers: Or is it just, like, the boundaries of, like, having a
normal life and people, like, needing to go and have dinner and whatnot,
or… I mean, I think it's… Lonnie would actually probably be better to
introduce, but I think if we do anything outside the normal, which is
3.75 on the first Thursday, that has to be a special meeting. Is that
true, Lonnie?
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Council Chambers: It would have to be a special meeting, and that
includes if we want to start the meeting at 2 o'clock. Anything of a
difference of what we normally run as a 3 to 5 and on Thursdays would
have to be noticed as a special meeting, which isn't that hard if you
want to add an extra hour.
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Council Chambers: It's just a question of, do we have time, and we're
bringing people in an hour earlier.
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Council Chambers: Right. Do people want to do that? And then there are
some certain… there's some parameters around special meetings that are a
little different than regular meetings, which I don't think would be an
issue for grant meetings, because they're pretty regimented, but there
are some things that we can't make changes to the agenda. There's some,
like, little things about it that important.
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Council Chambers: But if it was a meeting.
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Council Chambers: Just about grants and all the other…
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Council Chambers: other agenda. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, like, let's add
it to the…
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Council Chambers: discussion will come… that work group will come back
with, you know, hey, probably not all these things, like, gonna make the
most sense at the end.
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Council Chambers: Thank you. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: Oh, good.
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Heidi Tullmann: What if, on that note, what if we ran Could we just run
over?
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Heidi Tullmann: Would it have to be a special meeting if we went longer
than 5?
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Council Chambers: I think… I don't know, they seem pretty,
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Council Chambers: Like, and they, like, feels pretty firm to me. That'd
be a long question, but…
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Council Chambers: The problem with us is there's no problem with us
running over if we're talking 15 minutes. The problem becomes if we're
scheduling that longer meeting, it becomes a special meeting, because we
know we're going to go over that.
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Council Chambers: time frame.
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Council Chambers: It's also…
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Libby Wennstrom: It's a consideration for, you know, with staff time,
which doesn't mean you can't do it if we're scheduling a special meeting,
but if you're having multiple staff be staying sort of longer than their
normal workday, it's just something to consider.
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Council Chambers: Let's refer that to the committee. It's easier to
start.
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Council Chambers: I was just gonna briefly announce from the Art Awards
by…
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Council Chambers: which we should probably also get that award back
together at some point soon, is, that, you know, nominations are open,
and that they… there's also an open call for someone to design and
fabricate this year's award, so just please spread that information, your
networks.
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Council Chambers: It'd be great to see, it'd be great to find, you know,
an artist, sooner rather than later, just because that makes more time
for that project, too.
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Council Chambers: happen. And, you know, I don't super expect to see a
bunch of nominations this early in the year, but it's just nice to have
people know.
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Council Chambers: As… as current chair, well, Doug. How is that word
getting out right now?
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Council Chambers: I put it in last, month's Arts and Culture letter.
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Council Chambers: And I've just been telling people about it, trying to,
like, yeah. How does that reach people? Is that, like, the utility bill
type thing? No, it is something after you subscribe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah,
that's what's tricky, is it's like, it's a club already, so… Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's also on the… it's on the Creative District website, which
is, you know, accessible to everyone, or stuff like that. Do we have a
PSA running at KPTC?
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Council Chambers: We just knew someone.
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Council Chambers: I don't, you know, like, there hasn't been, like, a
strong advertising push on any level for any of these things yet, and
that'll be, like, something that the…
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Council Chambers: our committee, you know, maybe they'll look at and come
back and say, like, hey, we want to do this, this, this, it's going to
cost this, this, this, and this. But, like, in the meantime, it's kind of
a soft, soft opening for the year, because it's so early in the year. We
get the time and some money.
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Council Chambers: It's a $1,500 admission for 6 art awards. Yeah, I was
acting as chair. Do we… is there… is there any reason, like,
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Council Chambers: Can someone who previously did it.
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Council Chambers: do it again. Yep. They can, like, reapply, or… so we're
just moving to, like, an open call this year. Yeah. And it's kind of like
a loose open call, like, we're spreading the word. Yeah. Cool. Yeah,
yeah. Is there any formal, like, open call? There is? Yeah, yeah, if you
look at the… if you go to the, Creative District website… Okay, it's all
on there. Yeah. You know, as arts…
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Council Chambers: Commission members. I would highly recommend some…
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Council Chambers: Subscribing to the newsletter, if you aren't subscribed
to it yet, because
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Council Chambers: the easy way to share this kind of information, I can't
make sure you know it. So, that would be my suggestion.
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Council Chambers: But yeah, it's on the… it's on the… it's on the
creative director. Do we have a… forgive me, but do we have a,
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Council Chambers: headline for the selection? I believe it is the
deadline for the selection. I have to look it up to tell you the truth.
Are you looking at it right now, Joshua? I'm about to. Okay, tell me. You
tell me what it says.
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Council Chambers: It might be September or something, or the end of
August or something, I don't think.
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Council Chambers: My thing is my internet is moving slow, don't wait.
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Council Chambers: But yes, anyway, so that's it for committee reports.
You should get right at 4 o'clock, that was our goal. Yes, we haven't
gone over yet?
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Council Chambers: Oh, just, oh yeah, just, I was… just a quick update
from Ruthina. So every, year, the quote lawyers, you know, has a two-year
tenure, and every year they do a special. They're supposed to do sort of
a series of things, like.
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Council Chambers: you know, come to some city council meetings and, you
know, put something in the city newsletter and stuff, and then do sort of
one special project that
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Council Chambers: how to cap off the year. And she had a really big
project she wanted to do for this year, and I was like, it didn't maybe
seem like it was quite gonna happen, so instead, she's using the rest of
her project budget to put together a chapbook, which I think is going to
be really…
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Council Chambers: Cool, so that's… let's… I'm gonna sort of cap off by 26
for…
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Council Chambers: And also, I mean, she's still… she's doing a ton of
public events all over the place, doing all sorts of stuff as well, but
that's what she's going to do for some of the capstone content. Yeah,
it's gonna be… it will be self-published, and it'll be available at the
library and stuff like that.
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Council Chambers: So, I think that'll be a need for, you know, we haven't
had a home lawyer to do that yet.
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Council Chambers: Next two shots have a speedrun, mushroom festival.
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Council Chambers: Alright, yeah. New business!
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Council Chambers: Well, as you will probably…
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Council Chambers: You may have read or heard, We've received all the
advisory
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Council Chambers: Commission's received a letter of request from the
mayor, to update our work plan,
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Council Chambers: recommendations for the coming year, 2027. You know,
the packet includes that letter, as well as
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Council Chambers: Extensive document, though.
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Council Chambers: when items the City Council had already adopted and
plugged in. They were hoping to get this
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Council Chambers: information.
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Council Chambers: By the end of June, and so we've requested that we had…
that we could do it submitted after today's meeting.
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Council Chambers: Libby gives the green light on that. We do want to talk
about, this process, and…
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Council Chambers: what City Council would like from the Arts Commission?
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Council Chambers: That's absolutely fine.
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Council Chambers: Good evening.
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Libby Wennstrom: Is that a question for me, or is that… I'm trying to… I
didn't hear you very well, Doug.
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Council Chambers: Do you have, any input, guidance, words of wisdom for
this commission as to what City Council is hoping to get from us
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Council Chambers: For their work planning, request.
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Libby Wennstrom: I think probably the way to answer that is to cover sort
of the kind of overall structure and goals of the work plan retreat. For
our workshop meeting on July 13th, it's not the normal evening meeting,
it's an all-day, essentially, a retreat.
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Libby Wennstrom: And we've done this every year since I've been on
council. I think this is probably the sixth year we've done it.
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Council Chambers: Go ahead.
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Libby Wennstrom: Thank you.
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Council Chambers: the…
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Libby Wennstrom: The intention there is to try to do a bunch of
brainstorming
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Libby Wennstrom: Of beyond the things that, you know, we're statutorily
required to do, like, you know, we have to keep the, you know, water
flowing, and the sewer flowing, and police and streets, and so on, what
are the things that are our priorities to be putting time, energy, money
into?
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Libby Wennstrom: And this is sort of the first step of that kind of
winning-wing process that ultimately leads to…
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Libby Wennstrom: budget decisions by, you know, November, December. And
the way that we're sort of kicking it off this year for Council
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Libby Wennstrom: Is asking both the advisory bodies and the department
directors and council members to kind of bring forth initiatives of
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Libby Wennstrom: things of, you know, two or three things that, you know,
we want to champion or feel are really important, that are not just like,
oh, you know, a really broad topic, like, we want to support the arts,
but some specific, like.
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Libby Wennstrom: as part of our mission to support arts and artists, we'd
like to see, you know, XYZ happen. So it doesn't have to be as specific
as, you know, we want to put a mural at the skateboard park, but it might
be as specific as we want to… and I'm just using that as an example,
because it's something we were just talking about, but it might be as
specific as we want to create opportunities for
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Libby Wennstrom: Local artists to see their work showcased in public art
projects.
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Libby Wennstrom: So those are the kinds of things, but within that,
there's quite a bit of range. And I think you probably… you have here,
kind of, what we submitted last year. I think the way we're doing the
process this year is a little different in that it's a little bit more,
sort of, specific initiatives and a little less mission statement.
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Libby Wennstrom: But if that's helpful as an overview, like, here were
the work plan goals.
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Libby Wennstrom: And these are kind of a revision of what we did for
2026. So maybe this is a place to start.
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Libby Wennstrom: And I think some of the 2026 bullet points were things
like the one… the one I know for 2026 was that we wanted to restart the
1% for Art program, and that was a goal that actually got… got achieved,
so then the sort of follow-on on that is.
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Libby Wennstrom: What are the frameworks and things of how we, you know,
now that that funding is being allocated, how do we plan and adapt that?
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Libby Wennstrom: So that's kind of an example of the kind of thing. So, I
think with that, I'll sort of turn it back over to people to discuss.
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Council Chambers: Oh, the Kate put together
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Council Chambers: a few bullet points in the packet.
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Council Chambers: Look, look, look, here, here, you're…
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Council Chambers: to discuss and look at, kind of, a foundation for
discussion. And I think a lot of it's reflecting the things that we've
already done that are in our work plan already.
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Council Chambers: schedule of, overview, or what we call it? Meeting
schedule.
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Council Chambers: Well, I think there's, there's, you know, room for
discussion here, and I guess…
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Council Chambers: We can take them one at a time, we can… Add and
subtract, whatever.
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Council Chambers: the Commission's pleasure is, but I do suggest
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Council Chambers: The first one developed a 1% to the arts policy
framework.
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Council Chambers: So that public art projects are being proactive, he
claims that political accounts associated with economic development.
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Council Chambers: I think that's stupid.
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Council Chambers: That is an important piece, because it is, by an
understanding, directly relevant to the new process.
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Council Chambers: That it would put it… it shouldn't have a sense of…
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Council Chambers: What is the function? What is the flow of ideas and
budgeting?
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Council Chambers: So, again, I think, you know.
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Council Chambers: If I'm correct in understanding the tension here, the
wording here would be what we would submit to City Council.
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Council Chambers: Oh, don't hear it.
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Council Chambers: If you feel like we need to change the direction
priorities of anything that's on this list, let's talk about it.
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Council Chambers: And I'll just… I'll, I just… I'll just add that, like,
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Council Chambers: These sort of came out of…
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Council Chambers: like, I thought many things that had been talked about
over the course of this year so far, like, just… and, you know, looking
at last year's goals, and, like, what's been happening this year, and,
like, what I've heard from, like, across
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Council Chambers: the Commission and across board groups about, like,
what people's priorities are, and tried to kind of bring those together,
just so we have, like, a starting place. I thought, you know, it'd be…
this is, like, a hard thing to do in an hour from scratch.
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Council Chambers: But that doesn't mean that this is, like, you know,
perfectly reflective of where other people are… what other people are
thinking about. That's also why I included in this packet, like.
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Council Chambers: other pieces of information to feed into this, which
hopefully people have some time to look at, like our technology plan, and
the economic development piece of the comp plan, which includes the
creative economy, and things like that, just to think about how those
things fit together.
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Council Chambers: Also, just, I think it's important to remember that,
like, this doesn't have to be, like, the perfect thing ever. This is part
of a process with, you know, because you're going to go to City Council.
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Council Chambers: they're gonna discuss it, it's gonna come back, it's
like a whole, you know, we're in July, and this goes on through, like,
December, pretty much. So, like, it should reflect definitely what PTAC
feels like.
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Council Chambers: the priorities ought to be, but, like, I don't think we
have to be like, oh no, it's all perfection, right? I think it's also
fair to think of it as a living document, because next year, as you get
into the work plan and your priorities, things may shift. Yeah, so we're
using the word priorities here, but these aren't listed in any sort of,
like, this is our… Okay, good.
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Council Chambers: And,
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Council Chambers: It's just vague enough that… but it's specific enough
that the basic categories are there, so I think that's… One thing that
grabbed my attention is, collaborating with the Creative District.
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Council Chambers: and any kind of focus on economic development. You
know, we've had a little bit of overlap in the past with things called
economic drivers, because we had some LTAC funds, so we delved into,
okay, what's going to bring people heads and beds, and through those
discussions years ago, we really found that there's nothing in our
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Council Chambers: mission and directives to where that's our focus,
economic development. Of course, it's great for our city, but we're
really about
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Council Chambers: aesthetic and cultural development, and it's, like,
specific to the Arts Commission is we're not about the money, even
though, you know, we do grants. But I just want to make sure that we're…
our body doesn't…
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Council Chambers: prioritizing projects based on what's good financially
for the city. We've got a department that's focusing on that. We're
really about what's most culturally beneficial, aesthetics, stewarding
those processes. If we look through AP4, there's really nothing in there.
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Council Chambers: Our duty of addressing Economic development.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, that's a great point. Also, this has to jive with
AP4, so I don't know if we make this match AP4, it's probably easier to
make AP4 match this.
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Council Chambers: Drew, I don't see what did I read.
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Council Chambers: maybe it was about economic development. Like, if we're
gonna actually have that be in there, we should have something in AP4
where that's our focus. I'm not saying we shouldn't, I'm just… at the
moment.
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Council Chambers: that's not part of our… part of our mission, so… I
think the best terms to use was living documents. It's a lot of work to
iron things out, so I might have the kind of vague placeholder…
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Council Chambers: And it's really carried forward some stuff from last
year, too. Black Maintenance is in there, our collection.
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Council Chambers: One of the things that, especially if you're rereading
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Council Chambers: They, agree to the district's plan.
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Council Chambers: I'm wondering if under… That blast hole at the point.
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Council Chambers: Clarifying.
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Council Chambers: Anything in your relationship with creative history.
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Council Chambers: If we can discuss, perhaps… closer…
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Council Chambers: working more closely with LTAC. Are you,
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Council Chambers: Officially on that committee, or unofficially sit on
it. Because it does seem like there's overlap, and it's not your right
pin.
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Council Chambers: The economic impact is not our…
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Council Chambers: female house, but on the other hand, in a Haitian form.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, yeah. Oops, sorry. It's raising a question for me
that maybe is part of clarifying what our role is, right?
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Council Chambers: art to benefit tourism is different to me than art to
benefit community. And so, I believe that my role in this is art to
benefit community, and not really thinking about tourism. Tourism is a
bonus, a…
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Council Chambers: You know, a value add, but it's…
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Council Chambers: So, like, your point of the economic piece?
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Council Chambers: I think if we get too focused on…
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Council Chambers: Tourism, we might lose sight of the community, yeah.
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Council Chambers: And that's what's really interesting, I think, about,
like, having a district under the city now, whereas for a long, long
time, the arts commission was such, you know, generally the only thing
looking over is sort of the arts landscape from a municipal lens, and now
both those things exist in the city, so how do they function together?
And I don't think…
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Council Chambers: I think it's been really wise of you guys to be like,
yeah, PPAC has its own specific, like, set of priorities, and those
should be, you know, safeguarded. But to me, that's the whole question,
is, like, how do those things work there? How do they coalesce, or not
work at cross-promises? Because a big part of the creative district from
its inception was.
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Council Chambers: supporting a year-round economy for our creative
community, so that this is a place that artists can live and work, and
connecting the artists and the audiences. So yeah, tourism is a piece of
that, but it's not the only piece. I tried to think… I'm trying to think
of if we were in a grant meeting, and it was,
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Council Chambers: where to vote on a proposal, I would…
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Council Chambers: and you guys know me from the meetings, I really buy
the book, so I look at our mission, and I do my little algorithm, how
many people are going to benefit, how about the artistic benefit. If I
had to then factor in what's gonna bring in the most money for town, that
would be a rough call. Is that algorithm?
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Council Chambers: Yeah, and I don't… I don't think… I think that's…
Right, but I think that that would be… I don't think that needs to
change, but I think it'd be great to… like, we've started to clarify that
a lot, and I think continuing to… that's… I think that's why clarify is
such a great… you know, isn't, like, change PTAC, and…
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Council Chambers: you know, creative economy goals, but it's like, you
know, maybe the attack is, like.
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Council Chambers: and very clear that this is, like, what we care about.
Okay, well, this program cares about this, and, like, how do those things
work together? Yeah, and I think it's important to communicate together
and know each other's goals. Yeah, right, exactly. If you do have common
goals, and they can.
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Council Chambers: They have the money. Yeah. So,
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Council Chambers: And I agree, I don't know how you put that, Christine,
you know what I mean or not. We're here for art for community, not art
for tourism. And yet, you know.
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Council Chambers: You're saying they didn't mean creative. Creative
District.
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Council Chambers: The vast majority of our tax funds just have… and
that's fine, because that's not their mandate, right? That's PDAC's
mandate. Does the creative district have funding outside the staff?
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Council Chambers: Well, I mean, the arts and Culture Department, like,
asks for a budget allocation to do work every year, so that… some of that
is for the three district programs that are now outside the city. There's
a one item in PTAC's
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Council Chambers: I'm not detect photos.
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Council Chambers: Sorry, the Lodging Tax Advisory Committees.
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Council Chambers: For the creative as well. Is that… is there more than
that, or is that the extent? There's a… there's a… there's a… there's
some funding that comes from the community services department for Arts
and… for the arts and Culture Department, and there's some money that
comes from the… the Arts and Culture Department asks for something based
on LTAC, and asks for some funding from the community services
department, and that becomes the Arts and Culture Department.
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Council Chambers: comes from the city, General, and what I was going to
say when I said no is, what I wanted to clarify is we don't get specific
money every year from
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Council Chambers: arts law from the state for the creative district. We
got, like, a little bit of money when we recertified, like, a little
grant, but, they don't just give us regular funding. Yeah. You said
before, half your salary industry. Correct, yeah.
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Council Chambers: It is worth mentioning, back when we have it, like, a
$10,000 LPAC bonus.
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Council Chambers: The condition was that you had to allocate it to,
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Council Chambers: grant requests and what economic, like, a whole bunch,
and roughly a third of our overall request for that year were stuff to
bring people in from other cities, advertise white, right now, right? So,
there's room to…
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Council Chambers: Narrow that down.
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Council Chambers: our city manager loves the word collect. Yeah. Well, I
think it's been an interesting process, too, because, you know, now PTAC
has its grants, which we've been doing for a long, long time, and now
LTAC has its same grant program. You know, like, there's a lot of overlap
between those. There's some not overlap between those, and I think kind
of clarifying that would be really awesome, because I think it
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Council Chambers: do more work for the community that was… those things
were sort of working in concert, just to, you know, a sit-down between
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Council Chambers: members of both commissions.
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Council Chambers: Well, and that's part of this planning retreat that I
mentioned earlier. We would have some people from LTAC, some people from
PTAC, some people from the Community Services Department, and so we'd
have all the… hopefully we'd have a lot of voices in the room that speak
to these issues, and that would be one of the ways to kind of get
everybody on the same page.
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Council Chambers: reviewing this was… Along the lines of subject to
alleviate an annual arts.
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Council Chambers: Correct, yeah. Great minds, totally. Because you, you
too,
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Council Chambers: concierge hours do you have at the library, but I
think… Memorial Fields, Slumber Garden. Our juried art fair.
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Council Chambers: I did that in previous libraries, yeah. Oh, totally.
Okay, sidebar.
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Council Chambers: Oh, yeah, again, I'm not sure…
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Council Chambers: It says this document live in… it is a living document,
thank you.
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Council Chambers: I appreciate that. It's a lie. It's a lie, but again,
we can revisit it, modify it, but it is something to give to City
Council.
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Council Chambers: Does this… do these four bullet points?
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Council Chambers: encapsulate everything we want to say to City Council.
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Council Chambers: I mean, I could have a.
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Libby Wennstrom: speak to it to some extent at the retreat, but I think…
I think having something written is very helpful as part of that
winnowing process, and I think all of the, you know, the sort of standing
committee advisory board
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Libby Wennstrom: groups are going to be bringing something forward. But
what exactly it looks like, I think, is probably less important than that
it's kind of touching what we think are our priorities for the coming
year.
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Council Chambers: And that it's… that you all have representation, that
all the advisory boards have representation to City Council as they plan
the strategic work plan, which is leading to, of course, the most
important thing they do every year, which is plan and approve, or approve
the budget, basically.
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Libby Wennstrom: Right.
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Council Chambers: I did suggest earlier in this meeting that we defer
some of the discussion from the skate park art selection process.
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Council Chambers: You know, is there any input from that experience?
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Council Chambers: That we should or could incorporate in the second
bullet point here.
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Council Chambers: About the, our public places.
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Council Chambers: Planet process.
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Council Chambers: My understanding is that, like, the Public Art
Committee is trying to work on that for 2026, and that was a priority for
2026, so hopefully, like, you can take any lessons learned and get those
completed before we're looking at a 2027 work plan. Who's on that
committee right now?
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Council Chambers: Public art. Oh, beautiful guys. Oh, great, okay, yeah.
Everybody who's a part of this, yeah. So,
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Council Chambers: Well, and that's a good comment, because, you know,
referring to committee, is that it.
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Council Chambers: This is the thing you guys are undertaking.
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Council Chambers: 2026, discussion page.
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Council Chambers: Or is that something to be released into this 2027?
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Council Chambers: Technically, we're working to resolve it this year.
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Council Chambers: It might be kind of addressed in the grants. I mean, I
know that's maybe more about the grants that PTAC gives, but it could
also be more expansive to potential grants the city might give, but PTAC
is a really important part of, too. Might be covered in that.
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Council Chambers: That's just under the Build on Momentum and
Accomplishments from 2026 to support Port Townsend's cultural life
through PTAC programs, including but not limited to, and that's where it
talks about Paul Laureate, hair rewards, and then grants.
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Council Chambers: So, you're thinking of seeing you as a commission.
Thinking about a commission as a grant from…
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Council Chambers: Yeah, because the PTAC commissioners are going to be a
part of some kind of process like that, potentially, so…
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Council Chambers: I think… my understanding, at least this is what I've
been working from, and I think that the rest of the Public Art Committee
is too, right, is that we wanted to try to have an update of the AP4
policy to Council this year. And I think that having gone through this…
having gone through the process of actually
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Council Chambers: implementing the AP4 is awesome to help us with the
next steps, but that was really the goal, was, like, early in this year,
maybe even in 2025, that was put on the plan. And it's expensive, it
would require a couple
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Council Chambers: Workshopping sessions, like, some easy, low-hanging
fruit, like.
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Council Chambers: We don't need to ask people for… to submit
transparencies, or something like that envelope anymore, so we can update
that. Well, that kind of dates it, doesn't it? I like that. Well, okay.
It's ephemera. Yeah. But it's… it's the most influential document we use.
It really, really spells out, prescribes.
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Council Chambers: I brought this up in meetings before, whoever wrote
that, maybe long ago, I can imagine they spent hours and hours and hours
thinking of all
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Council Chambers: angles to come up with what's there, so I don't just
want to chop a bunch of stuff. We really need to be thoughtful about how
we monologue. It could be streamed. And I think it's actually a pretty
successful document. Like, it's not… it does its job reasonably well,
which is… so I agree with you, I don't think the idea is, like, this
whole thing.
551
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Council Chambers: It's working. There's things out there that you're
like, just not working. But this is one of them I think it's actually a
pretty good system, it just needs a little bit of, like.
552
01:25:36.870 --> 01:25:37.656
Council Chambers: You know…
553
01:25:38.480 --> 01:25:46.680
Council Chambers: Updating, not just in terms of, like, materials, but
just also in terms of, like, the way that people think about certain,
554
01:25:47.080 --> 01:25:58.339
Council Chambers: processes now that I think has changed over the years a
little bit, like, it's like, there's a mandate for public input, but
maybe there needs to be a little bit more nuance to that, to Joshua's
point, and, like, things like that, you know what I mean? So it's…
555
01:25:58.470 --> 01:26:09.849
Council Chambers: But I think it's actually pretty… they don't think it's
like, we don't need to throw the baby out, what's it back. I mean, what
you all have to submit to Council, I think, is pretty expansive.
556
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Council Chambers: Yeah, yeah, because I… Yeah, time stuff, right? Yeah,
I'm planning on getting all of this to Council, like, tonight, which is
smart, because I also have it for the Parks Board and the Library
Advisory Board as well.
557
01:26:23.730 --> 01:26:28.679
Council Chambers: Yeah, we have 3 price reports in our department. Yeah.
558
01:26:31.650 --> 01:26:35.689
Council Chambers: You know, again, I'm just gonna raise the question of,
do we want to?
559
01:26:37.510 --> 01:26:42.770
Council Chambers: Let me rephrase. I would be interested in adding
language that,
560
01:26:44.450 --> 01:26:50.690
Council Chambers: pursues, clarification of how many people with ELPAC.
561
01:26:50.740 --> 01:27:00.439
Council Chambers: You know, again… Is that mentioned at all? It's not
currently mentioned. So I… and after reading this, I'm wondering if…
562
01:27:00.490 --> 01:27:12.180
Council Chambers: maybe LTEC gets mentioned in the fourth bullet point
belongs to… With the creative district? Well, that's fair, we could just
add that, I get that. I would say, just for, like.
563
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Council Chambers: Well, then maybe that isn't entirely true. What I was
gonna say was that, like, the creative… I think this is mostly true, if
not completely true, is that,
564
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Council Chambers: like, the Creative District is generally the touchpoint
between those two bottles. Like, because, like, a lot of LTAC's work just
doesn't have anything to do with the arts at all, and the way that the
arts… anything that LTAC has to do that touches the arts is through the
creative district, more or less. So just…
565
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Council Chambers: I mean, which isn't to say that what you're saying, we
could totally do that, just to make that kind of clear, is, you know, if
you describe that? My response is, well, that's not very efficient. And
it seems like… And it seems like we are removed from that process, and
maybe that's intentional in the long run.
566
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Council Chambers: Did you…
567
01:28:05.820 --> 01:28:13.090
Council Chambers: And again, I've asked a lot of you about this before,
how do we work with the creative constraint?
568
01:28:13.140 --> 01:28:28.990
Council Chambers: Right. Which is why I'm glad to see this fourth bullet
point here, because… And the retreat. Not the council retreat, but the
other retreat. Yeah, how do we work with the Creative District?
569
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Council Chambers: And that question of, you know, is LTAC an entity
that's on the other side of some barrier order?
570
01:28:40.090 --> 01:28:44.369
Council Chambers: Or, you know, the three groups.
571
01:28:46.400 --> 01:28:52.719
Council Chambers: people and can talk to each other. Yeah, for sure. I
mean, yeah, yes.
572
01:28:53.290 --> 01:28:58.080
Council Chambers: We can't. It's not like a… it's just… it's not that
there's a…
573
01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:02.789
Council Chambers: Yeah, I think the issue in between there is just that I
don't think that, like.
574
01:29:02.790 --> 01:29:27.589
Council Chambers: LTAC… most of LTAC's work just has to do with
marketing. I see it as a philosophical thing, right? It's like a… there's
a square, a rectangular, rectangle, square… But, like, basically, LTAC
does have this economic goal, right? So their goal is clear. We do not
have an economic goal. So the way I see it is really…
575
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Council Chambers: we can benefit LTAC more than they benefit us, right?
In that there are things that they could partner with us on that then
could bring economic… positive economic impact to the community, and
576
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Council Chambers: It's a random thing, is a friend of mine owns a store
in town and mentioned how every time the cruise ships come to town, she
makes a lot of money, because there are people who literally come… step
off the boat, and their goal is to spend $500 in our town, right?
577
01:29:59.730 --> 01:30:08.819
Council Chambers: And so, like, how do we leverage that $500 that maybe
they're going into Gallery 9, or they're, you know, sharing that love
among
578
01:30:09.010 --> 01:30:25.159
Council Chambers: you know, more than, like, buying clothes, a clothes
horse or something, right? And so that's where I see, like, you've got
economic, you've got… they're not lodging here, but there's an economic
component, and there is kind of a lodging component of them being on
that.
579
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Council Chambers: out there, and I think that… I think of that one
because I've heard so many negative things about the cruise ships being
in town, but maybe we're not taking enough advantage of these people who
are on board who want to spend money here. With disposable income. They
have the money to go on this boat, and they want to spend… they want to
get off and spend money in these little towns, let's… let's make them
welcome instead of, like, being like, oh, the cruise ship's here, I'm
shutting down early tonight.
580
01:30:50.120 --> 01:30:58.490
Council Chambers: That's why the discussion… I don't… I've never been to
an LPAC meeting, but, you know, I would think that there's a discussion
of
581
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Council Chambers: you know, in your example, I'm gonna go spend $500 in
town, but that could easily be one of the clothing stores or something.
Whereas, if,
582
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Council Chambers: equity.
583
01:31:09.090 --> 01:31:16.869
Council Chambers: were tasked with finding economic drivers from our
grant… we were actually doing… measuring some of the,
584
01:31:16.940 --> 01:31:41.789
Council Chambers: elements like, okay, are they doing a door pull, like,
what's your zip code? So we could show that, wow, okay, we funded an
event, etc. 26% of their attendees are from outside our zip codes,
they're all staying for the weekend. That's a direct link to heads and
beds. So to be able to, you know, I went to art school, statistics
expert, to be able to look at all that.
585
01:31:41.790 --> 01:31:43.229
Council Chambers: I need to nail it down.
586
01:31:43.270 --> 01:31:56.669
Council Chambers: That would be really interesting, and that would lead
to, I think, some more collaboration, because when we got that 10,000 and
funded those… funded those economic driver artistic events.
587
01:31:56.670 --> 01:32:07.119
Council Chambers: It would directly, synergistically fuel more people
coming to town, which got more, yeah, Galax budget higher, but it was
only a one-time…
588
01:32:07.160 --> 01:32:14.090
Council Chambers: I think it wouldn't have continued. Well, and I think,
looking at the examples of other communities, Thank you.
589
01:32:14.270 --> 01:32:26.449
Council Chambers: what the Port Angeles is, etc. We talk about Port
Angeles a lot. Or even the Bay Bridge.
590
01:32:26.790 --> 01:32:31.069
Council Chambers: Which has these beautiful gallery.
591
01:32:31.160 --> 01:32:48.719
Council Chambers: And they've been treated this for people. Anyway, you
know, I think that's what made me think that there is an overlap, and I
appreciate that history.
592
01:32:48.720 --> 01:32:56.830
Council Chambers: Yes, I think there's a reason for us to continue to
say, the arts…
593
01:32:57.640 --> 01:33:00.699
Council Chambers: The success of the arts makes an impact.
594
01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:04.429
Council Chambers: Not just on the quality of life, but the economic.
595
01:33:04.540 --> 01:33:14.060
Council Chambers: Yeah, yeah. Is that our only… is that our primary
consideration? No, I don't think so.
596
01:33:14.250 --> 01:33:18.539
Council Chambers: Our purpose and goals are to support the artist.
597
01:33:18.700 --> 01:33:22.490
Council Chambers: But, I still think this might be…
598
01:33:22.830 --> 01:33:33.610
Council Chambers: Something worth exploring. Yeah. Yeah, I'll just weave
that in, so that sounds…
599
01:33:38.080 --> 01:33:53.090
Council Chambers: That sounds good. I think, I think it's the, the thing,
I think the way to think about it somewhat, though, is that, like, LTAC
is sector agnostic. Like, they don't usually know where visitors come
from, and the place that
600
01:33:53.340 --> 01:33:56.309
Council Chambers: Mostly, that work.
601
01:33:56.350 --> 01:34:06.229
Council Chambers: goes through on NELTEC. If it is not agnostic, if it is
specifically about arts and culture, is going to be through the creative
district.
602
01:34:06.230 --> 01:34:28.729
Council Chambers: So that's the link between those… between all that…
between the work on the economic side and the work on the PTAC side, is
the creative… like, for example, this is just wild out there, right? If
it was, like, oh, let's build a field hall, like, I… it would probably
be, like, the creative district would be pushing LTAC to build Field
Hall, as opposed to building that room.
603
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Council Chambers: For something with the same amount of money. So that's
just… I mean, just… I'm just trying to clarify the… No, no, but I think,
you know, it is important for us.
604
01:34:36.420 --> 01:34:42.910
Council Chambers: Yeah, 100%. And that, I mean, that push could come from
TPAC, and that would be a really interesting way to, like.
605
01:34:43.370 --> 01:35:02.420
Council Chambers: you know, highlight those… your assets and those
resources that could be, you know, game-changing for a lot of people.
It's been kicked around a couple times, hosting, world-class, nationally
recognized, art festival as well. Yeah. Towns that have that, it's a…
puts you on the map, the art world,
606
01:35:02.640 --> 01:35:13.049
Council Chambers: From all over, there's a competitive, you know, think
of, like, Cherry Creek, Colorado, like that. Yeah, so that would be
obvious.
607
01:35:13.080 --> 01:35:20.910
Council Chambers: Okay, it could be world-class. I think it can be world-
class state for us, yeah. That's part of really being that Victorian
seaport man.
608
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Council Chambers: arts community. Find a free weekend. They bring in out-
of-state artists now, and that's been a real issue. Really? Yeah. But
mostly because… I mean, it's a great festival, and a lot of money changes
hands, but there have been
609
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Council Chambers: Competing festivals start at 4.
610
01:35:48.230 --> 01:36:00.270
Council Chambers: local artists, because there's so much… Well, that's
what happened in Bellevue for years. I did the Bellevue Arts and Crafts,
two little offshoots, I think, again.
611
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Council Chambers: the rest of the best. Some other ones, so the whole
cities and our customers. Yeah.
612
01:36:09.060 --> 01:36:10.380
Council Chambers: Everything's full.
613
01:36:10.850 --> 01:36:15.449
Council Chambers: Is there any action that needs to be taken on this, or
is it just, like, is it…
614
01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:25.350
Council Chambers: Like, with, you know, with sort of edX or whatever as
does, does the Commission need to, sort of, recommend this,
615
01:36:25.770 --> 01:36:34.629
Council Chambers: Language for the retreat, or is the step in? It's
inappropriate… it would seem appropriate to me that there's a motion.
616
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Council Chambers: I think we've had it both ways, depending on the
different advisory boards, so whatever you all feel comfortable with. So
if you want to make a motion, say.
617
01:36:42.880 --> 01:36:51.949
Council Chambers: you know, that you will approve this with the suggested
edit of adding LTAC to the fourth bullet point, then you can do that.
618
01:36:52.530 --> 01:37:08.420
Council Chambers: I guess I can. Yeah, that'd be awesome, Joe. I would
move that, these four bullet points that the… that PTAC adopts these four
bullet points as our 2027 workplan goals.
619
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Council Chambers: With the addition of including the Lodging Tax Advisory
Commission.
620
01:37:14.940 --> 01:37:20.620
Council Chambers: in a sentence following the Port Township Creative
District, and…
621
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Council Chambers: That's documented along as the recommendation to City
Council.
622
01:37:33.670 --> 01:37:34.940
Council Chambers: We're well updated.
623
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Council Chambers: Let me conclude the discussion.
624
01:37:38.500 --> 01:37:43.209
Council Chambers: Great pick for us. Discussion phase. Hey,
625
01:37:43.890 --> 01:37:46.979
Council Chambers: Okay, well, then it's all my favor?
626
01:37:47.360 --> 01:37:56.409
Council Chambers: Raise your hand, and online is, is David still here?
627
01:37:56.410 --> 01:37:59.789
Council Chambers: No, Dana's no longer with the, attached, yes.
628
01:38:00.110 --> 01:38:01.200
Council Chambers: They come forward.
629
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Council Chambers: So that goes to… City Council, thank you all.
630
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Council Chambers: arts education statement of support. Was that in the
packet? No, there wasn't any in the packet. That just was something that
I think, Doug, you had suggested. There was, you know, some movement,
there still is some movement from the, state education side about, arts.
631
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Council Chambers: requirements in high school. I guess that because of
the advocacy, they actually did not end up, removing the ARCH requirement
from the,
632
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Council Chambers: from, like, immediately from the high school
requirements of the state, which is exciting, but maybe they're gonna,
like, review the fact that you have to be, like, a certified arts teacher
in order to, you know, it's just, they're still, like, looking for some
little ways around it, is what it feels like. But I think the idea was
that, would it be appropriate or interesting
633
01:39:04.350 --> 01:39:08.049
Council Chambers: Or the city, or the Commission on Summit.
634
01:39:08.050 --> 01:39:13.999
Council Chambers: Level to issue some kind of statement supporting the
idea of arts education.
635
01:39:14.000 --> 01:39:30.899
Council Chambers: And understanding the importance of that to our, you
know, young citizens. So that, that's where that stood. There's not
really a lot of… that's as far as that has gotten. Yeah, okay. Well, what
happened was I received the mailing,
636
01:39:31.170 --> 01:39:44.380
Council Chambers: some members of Salt Park theater about the Washington
State Board of Education, I guess, or their curriculum committee. Due to
military concerns limiting the
637
01:39:44.750 --> 01:39:47.879
Council Chambers: Requirement for any kind of participation.
638
01:39:48.150 --> 01:39:51.410
Council Chambers: In the high school graduate training department.
639
01:39:51.730 --> 01:39:54.950
Council Chambers: Which means, small school districts.
640
01:39:55.170 --> 01:39:57.459
Council Chambers: I could possibly find out?
641
01:39:57.620 --> 01:40:00.630
Council Chambers: That would be a program that doesn't forget.
642
01:40:00.770 --> 01:40:07.443
Council Chambers: And so that was… that was a concern, and they were
asking for input for the… That's not
643
01:40:08.270 --> 01:40:10.799
Council Chambers: We'll have some mediums, which leads to the end of it.
644
01:40:11.240 --> 01:40:17.109
Council Chambers: So, it would be too late, but if that has… if that has
been,
645
01:40:17.790 --> 01:40:23.620
Council Chambers: If they call upon that decision, or fight against doing
that, that would be great.
646
01:40:24.880 --> 01:40:29.660
Council Chambers: I had to do a vacancy point, because I think that's
what you see here.
647
01:40:29.830 --> 01:40:31.969
Council Chambers: Art education is really.
648
01:40:32.240 --> 01:40:34.809
Council Chambers: Really, really important, beneficial.
649
01:40:35.110 --> 01:40:36.210
Council Chambers: That is true.
650
01:40:36.640 --> 01:40:38.760
Council Chambers: It really makes them better schemes.
651
01:40:40.480 --> 01:40:43.380
Council Chambers: Better thinkers. Better thinkers, thank you.
652
01:40:43.730 --> 01:40:51.760
Council Chambers: Oh, We're all very good leaders. Oh, yeah, I don't
know…
653
01:40:52.310 --> 01:40:55.700
Council Chambers: Do you think I was able to get an update on that?
654
01:40:56.110 --> 01:41:02.710
Council Chambers: It is past time for that decision. Right. So, you know…
655
01:41:03.570 --> 01:41:06.150
Council Chambers: Probably a moot point for us.
656
01:41:06.300 --> 01:41:11.969
Council Chambers: recommendations by, is something to be aware of to keep
an eye on.
657
01:41:13.440 --> 01:41:30.740
Council Chambers: Yeah, I will add, if you all see something like this in
the future, it will probably be something you will have to make a motion
on to support that then would go to City Council. Because, like, then
that kind of letter would come from the city manager or with, like, City
Council support.
658
01:41:30.740 --> 01:41:54.690
Council Chambers: to the state, potentially. So they do vet. Council
vets. Or if it's potentially a proclamation or something, we can consider
that, too, yeah. So I think the question is basically, does the feedback
want to put effort into putting something like that together, and then it
would be in existence, and if the time the results came up again, it
would be in existence again. Like, you have the statement of support, and
you can, like, send it along, as opposed to waiting and reacting to
659
01:41:54.700 --> 01:41:56.230
Council Chambers: a situation.
660
01:41:56.250 --> 01:42:16.169
Council Chambers: Which, oftentimes, you can't get it done, like, at any
time. You know what I mean? So that was what I understood it to be, was
more like, it does ETAC want to make some kind of recommendation to
Council of, like, hey, we'd like to see the city do this, so that, like,
you know, we know the origins of stuff is coming down the pipeline,
basically, like, they're not gonna stop, kind of, like.
661
01:42:16.250 --> 01:42:17.270
Council Chambers: you know.
662
01:42:17.350 --> 01:42:41.979
Council Chambers: attacking arts education, that it's like, you know,
it's an easy target, essentially. And so, is that something that people,
you know, would like to make? Like a prepared statement? Yeah.
Potentially, Council could… I mean, there's… they could do a proclamation
on something on arts support, potentially a resolution. I mean,
oftentimes Council and Councilmember Winstrom can speak more to this, but
community groups will come to Council, ask
663
01:42:41.980 --> 01:42:45.680
Council Chambers: speak for support for XYZ, for Council to consider.
664
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Council Chambers: Beautiful.
665
01:42:47.550 --> 01:43:05.749
Council Chambers: what would be the turnaround time on us recognizing an
opportunity to do that at the moment we have right now? I would think
it'd be a little… It depends on what time of the month it is, right? It
depends, because, like, this is, like, this was, like, you know, I think
something…
666
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Council Chambers: So this was a meeting… this was a meeting of the
Curriculum Committee of the… of OSPI that was on June 23rd, I believe.
And so it was, like, June 15th or something, and their own people were
like, oh, like, write these guys, like, stop, you know, get rid of this.
And then since PPAC wasn't meeting again until today, there wasn't really
a time to be able to take action, so that's the issue to get someone.
667
01:43:30.660 --> 01:43:37.790
Council Chambers: So I think you're right, yeah, in normal circumstances…
this particular instance.
668
01:43:38.230 --> 01:43:40.760
Council Chambers: We weren't aware of it.
669
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Council Chambers: I didn't get your email. Right. I was just like, well,
you send it out just as a, like, hey, do you guys want to send in a
letter? Like, personally ask the people, like, that's fine, right?
670
01:43:55.080 --> 01:44:01.479
Council Chambers: Someday, I hope we live in a world where that's not
right.
671
01:44:02.690 --> 01:44:08.910
Council Chambers: Where the army has to have a big sale.
672
01:44:08.910 --> 01:44:28.019
Council Chambers: They go the same thing about libraries and libraries.
Which is all our quality of life, and if you all haven't seen the
wonderful video that our Communications and Marketing Director did about
the community services department, library and arts, it's really great,
so maybe I'll make sure Katie sends you a link to that. Oh, yeah.
673
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Council Chambers: By the way, I visited the library last week, and looked
at the, music.
674
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Council Chambers: installation that was mentioned in one of our plan
activities. Oh, yeah. And I checked out a little CD. I signed it. Oh,
nice. Oh, this is great! So, yeah, it's a very nice…
675
01:44:52.020 --> 01:44:59.070
Council Chambers: For a little library. Yeah, yeah.
676
01:45:00.730 --> 01:45:07.980
Council Chambers: So I think that's… Member contagious.
677
01:45:09.570 --> 01:45:12.659
Council Chambers: I don't… Usually names are cherished.
678
01:45:15.230 --> 01:45:28.230
Council Chambers: I'm stage manager now, in Willow's production this
summer. Oh, Lord, help us all. Congratulations. I was very inspired by
the…
679
01:45:28.230 --> 01:45:45.580
Council Chambers: amount of, like, public and street art that existed in
Iceland. Everywhere from tiny towns that have, like, a 90-person
population to, you know, the big city of Reykjavik. There's painted
sidewalks.
680
01:45:45.580 --> 01:45:48.919
Council Chambers: There's murals, there's fence paintings.
681
01:45:49.150 --> 01:46:06.090
Council Chambers: Like, they just use art to drill in dark spaces, and
they also were running a huge library campaign about the fact that their
library has music that you can check out, so that you can check out
records and CDs from
682
01:46:06.380 --> 01:46:13.230
Council Chambers: the Recuben Public Library, and that was, like, a big
Instagram. I kept showing up on my social media.
683
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Council Chambers: So I thought that was, like, great, because they're
really trying to tie in, breeding is very big in Iceland. Again, they
have a lot of dark months, so I think… They're, like, the highest nation,
like, yeah.
684
01:46:28.260 --> 01:46:33.670
Council Chambers: Yeah, so I think, like, when it comes to all of those
things, they're just threading.
685
01:46:33.670 --> 01:46:44.659
Council Chambers: Throughout life, and it just showed me that you can,
like, build this all into the life of a fisherman or, you know, somebody
who's working
686
01:46:44.690 --> 01:46:51.299
Council Chambers: In kind of jobs that you might not think of as being
attracted to different types of art.
687
01:46:51.580 --> 01:46:53.939
Council Chambers: It's for everybody, and
688
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Council Chambers: So, I feel really inspired by that, especially as part
of, like, the public art stuff that we're doing, and looking into a
little, like, what are their policies about
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Council Chambers: painting the side of your building. The details of it,
but Simon, he's mentioned a furthering, I think it came from
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Council Chambers: It's either isolated or warm.
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Council Chambers: It's sort of a membership. Artists join, like, an
artist's co-op.
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Council Chambers: Because that was in the upper nets.
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Council Chambers: There's funding involved, but… But that one's,
interesting.
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Council Chambers: There's a town that I went to in Spain, where they
have, every year, St. John's…
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Council Chambers: Like, festival, and they… each neighborhood hires an
artist that they pay for the year, and they work on this.
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Council Chambers: sculpture, like, papier-mache sculpture, all year long,
and then they burn it. Sounds like the burning of the Zobra. Oh, super
cool. Little tiny streets, some burning these streets. What time of year
is that, actually?
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Council Chambers: I think it's in August. I had a question, specifically
about the library. Can we… is there a reason that we don't get used… we
don't, like, subscribe to Canopy?
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Council Chambers: Oh, that's an excellent question. Because, like, I
really bought Canopy. Oh my god. Speaking of, like, access to, like,
amazing… Really high quality for the entire community, like, yeah, that's
such a great service. Just the, well, the movies and the tripping, yeah.
So we did. We did subscribe to Canopy, and we did it with the county
library. Cool. And, the unfortunate thing about these really high
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Council Chambers: and database subscriptions is… They can up their
prices.
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Council Chambers: Okay, how much are they? You know, that's an excellent
question. I don't know, because we haven't had it in a couple of years.
We got Hoopla instead, which is not the same quality.
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Council Chambers: But Hoopla offers access to streaming movies, music,
books, and it can have simultaneous users, so a lot of, like, if you
check out stuff through Libby, you're the person who has that book out,
even though it's an e-book, but Hoopla, you could have your whole book
club or your whole movie club watch the same thing, and it's for
everybody. It became cost prohibitive to do Kanopy, but I'm happy to
explore that again and see if they'd give us a rate. It was really…
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Council Chambers: We have heard so much from the community, they miss it,
but it just was, like, outrageously expensive. You do free go?
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Council Chambers: We have done… we have done Freegal before, but then
when we got Hoopla, it was kind of a better, like, all-free or…
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Council Chambers: Yeah, they're great too, but when you're just a little
library, like, our whole collection development budget is $75,000 for the
library, not very much.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, we should be at least $100,000 if we're looking
at, kind of, like, what averages are of the percentage of our collection
budget for our total… so, doesn't mean we can't explore it, though. It
doesn't mean they might not want to give us a nice price to try again. We
don't have a program for, like, smaller cities. You know, I wish that
these, like…
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Council Chambers: would think that way, but they don't always. And I'm
not saying that necessarily is Canopy, because they do an incredible
quality project, or product, it just costs more.
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Council Chambers: I should just come to Pizza.
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Heidi Tullmann: I was able to get a Canopy subscription through Snow Isle
Libraries, and I think that we… there's some gray area where, because
we're a rural county, they cover… you can get a library card through Snow
Isle.
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Council Chambers: Okay, yeah. Pretty generous. A lot of libraries have,
reciprocal borrowing agreements. We don't have one specifically with
Snow, but I think they've been pretty generous for people who come from
Fort Townsend to get… so other libraries in the area… Pierce County does,
because I have a Seattle and a Pierce County… And they have a lot… they
have a lot bigger budget. Exactly, so I can always get…
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Council Chambers: It's, Whidbey and… Oh, is it? Oh, sorry.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, thank you.
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Council Chambers: Little pro library tip. Yeah, no doubt.
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Council Chambers: We could do a talk sometime, just about some of the
cool library resources that would pertain to you all that you might be
interested in, or that you can also spread the word.
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Council Chambers: Well, I only learned I could use my Jefferson County
Library card at the Fort Townsend Library. No, because I got my library
card during the pandemic, and then I've mainly just, like I said, do a
lot of things online, so I still use
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Council Chambers: Seattle? It's one card to roll them all, so yeah. So,
I… but I did do it online, so I should go and get my card, like, the, you
know, the whole thing. With the little Clio water. That's right.
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Council Chambers: You know, the library comes up a lot in the,
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Council Chambers: Back to the painless self-promotion part of the
meeting. Next week I'll be at the Oregon Country Fair, 33rd year,
handmade leather goods, except for a small break for COVID.
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Council Chambers: When you say leather, though, it's actually vegan
leather, right, Ken? No. What is leather leather? Yeah. Oh! Cow and
steers.
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Council Chambers: I don't know why I thought you said, though.
Traditional.
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Council Chambers: That is.
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Council Chambers: That's exciting. Well, thanks, way to go. Have fun.
I'll report briefly that I just came to this meeting from a,
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Council Chambers: summer reading program… program at the library with
Shannon Kidd, who designed the t-shirts. Awesome local artist, and he's
done a lot of t-shirt designs for, like, construction alliances and stuff
like that, and, we ran, like, a little craft activity in for the
children, and that was very well received, and it was really fun. That's
absolutely… It was, anyway, it was great.
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Council Chambers: The way to the library, I got discrete,
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Council Chambers: And you all, if you read 100 hours, starting from June
1st, you come to the library and get your shirt, you don't have to sign
up for anything, so you, too, can get this shirt.
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Council Chambers: You're like, I know someone. Because I knew you were
going to be good for it, yeah.
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Council Chambers: Reading packets for PTAC counts, but I hope you're
getting pleasure reading it. I tell the council members their council
packets count.
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Council Chambers: Any other updates?
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Council Chambers: It helps you to teach.
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Council Chambers: It was good. We're happy to have you back.
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Council Chambers: Alright, the agenda for next meeting, we will review
our internal processes, identity, recruitment, and refresh on the, fresh
Open Meetings Act and, rules, any other…
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Council Chambers: Oh, good.
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Council Chambers: Suggestions born on August.
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Council Chambers: Agenda?
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Council Chambers: In which case, we have included the agenda, I will say
to Meeting Manager at 4.57 p.m.