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Council Chambers: Meeting to order today.
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Council Chambers: Okay, calling the meeting to order. It's May 7th, 2026, 3.01 PM. We've got a quorum
here. We've got folks in the pews.
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Council Chambers: Welcome, everybody. Should we move across the street to the park? I've tried that
before. We can get this shut down. What a nice day, though, to be here. Indoors, why not? Okay, let's do,
roll call.
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Council Chambers: I guess I'll start. I'm Dan Grazman, Vice Chair.
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Council Chambers: Oh, Dana Nelson.
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Council Chambers: Sheena, you're a commissioner?
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Council Chambers: I'm Katie Goodman, I'm the staff liaison. Christine Melchanders, Commissioner. Melanie
Musinski, Commissioner.
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Council Chambers: Doug Caskey Commission. And who do we have online?
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Council Chambers: They're…
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Council Chambers: Looks like…
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Council Chambers: Yep, there's no one online.
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Council Chambers: Okay, and so we've got Joshua and Heidi.
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Council Chambers: are excused.
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Council Chambers: Looks like, okay. Hey, and since, we have a new person here today, Dana, not to put you
on the spot, but do you mind telling us?
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Council Chambers: A little bit about, like.
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Council Chambers: Am I the only new person here today? Yes. You are. I think there's a couple more.
They're just not here anymore. So there was,
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Council Chambers: appointments and reappointments in May, and two commissioners were reappointed.
Melanie and, Simon, not here today. And you're the only, actually, new… a new appointment. I guess I
should have started by saying welcome. You are actually our ninth of nine seats, so we're a full house, which
is always exciting, and we'd love to just hear… Well, my name is Dana Nelson. I've lived in Park Townsend
for 25 years.
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Council Chambers: So, I grew up in the Kingston area, so I've been coming over here for many, many years.
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Council Chambers: I'm a teach… I was a teacher, I just retired this year.
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Council Chambers: And… I love art, public art. I majored in art history in high… in college, and I've taught
art, and .
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Libby Wennstrom: Again, black or brown.
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Council Chambers: and…
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Libby Wennstrom: Thank you, Mr. Patriot.
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Council Chambers: get involved.
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Council Chambers: Is that good? Yeah. Thank you. You're welcome. Yeah, we're excited to have you. Let's
move on to approving the agenda. Wow, is it a full one?
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Council Chambers: Guys looked over that.
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Council Chambers: Any action item from the floor?
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Council Chambers: I'll move to approve the agenda. Very good. We have a motion to approve. Any second?
Ms. Dean?
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Council Chambers: And, vote.
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Council Chambers: Slack. Unanimous vote.
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Council Chambers: And now we're going to look at April 2nd's minutes.
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Council Chambers: They look pretty good to me, but does anyone have any corrections, or… Gotcha catches,
sometimes that happens.
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Council Chambers: If not… We could have a motion to accept the minutes.
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Council Chambers: We make a motion to accept the health second. Felony, seconds. Approved.
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Council Chambers: That's, unanimous. Very good. Alright, we're cruising right along. Now we're down to,
public comments. Do we have some public comments?
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Council Chambers: This would be either online or people from the pews, correct? Question about that.
Should we talk about the SMARA project now in public comment, or will there be an opportunity for us to
talk about it during the… when it's an agenda item?
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Council Chambers: So, my understanding would be it would be more appropriate now as the 3-minute
comment period, because this isn't a,
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Council Chambers: presentation meeting that we do every, third meeting. So, yeah, it's supposed to be 3
minutes to start by introducing who you are, and you're going to be picked up by the mic here, and, would
someone like to do a… be a timekeeper?
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Council Chambers: I can keep time. I'll just say really quickly, it's a little bit different than the HBC meeting
that y'all were at earlier this week, because that has, like, this, like.
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Council Chambers: quasi-judicial, like, code-related elements to it, whereas PTAC doesn't, so it's a little bit of
a different process, so that's why it makes sense to do public comment. Right. Different…
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Council Chambers: As an applicant here. Well, first, thank you for your support of the, farmers market and
community mural uptown. My name is Amanda Mulholland, and we, did apply for a, Port Townsend Arts
Commission grant for this project, and were awarded a grant. And, so I want to thank you, and, just show
you what we're looking at so far.
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Council Chambers: for the design, I printed
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Council Chambers: three of, these, and 3 of the main designs. That's the central design. That part was
designed by artist Alina Lochte, of Port Townsend, who I used… we will use, Port Townsend, Arts
Commission funding to provide her payment for her work on it. We're also working with another artist, Dan
Botter, who, has done community mural projects. She… she's based in Quilcyon.
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Council Chambers: But has done projects in, California and some other, areas, and so she's helping with the
project as kind of a
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Council Chambers: how do you do this kind of thing? So we're very excited for this mural, designed by, three
different artists, including Carrie, who's, part of Fort Townsend Pride, who did the Pride Crosswalks, and…
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Council Chambers: The concept with this is, it's about public space making, it's about making our community
a more visual and artistic representation of who we are. It's also about, safety.
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Council Chambers: So for the farmer's market, we frequently see people just drive right through the stop
signs on Saturday when we have the road closed. There's something about the road closed.
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Council Chambers: barricade that makes people not see the stop signs, or at least assume that's what's
going on, because otherwise people are driving around blind. But it happens.
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Council Chambers: frequently. So for me, the first kind of call to action on this was thinking about how do
we make a safer, market in Uptown. And having lived in Portland, where there's a ton of street murals, and
seeing what that means for a neighborhood to have that community ownership that's developed by people
creating art together, was really impactful for me living in Portland, and I'm really excited
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Council Chambers: For hopefully getting city support to do the first, street mural in Port Townsend as a
community, and… okay. So anyways, please support, this formally so that your recommendation can go to
City Council, whatever that looks like, and,
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Council Chambers: hope you will come and paint it with us when we get to that final place to book Luda.
Yeah.
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Council Chambers: Thanks, Amanda. I'm a 3D guy, but I can… I can paint a little. Yeah, I think you could.
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Council Chambers: Jason. Hi, everybody. I'm Jason Victor Sorinas. I used to be chair of this august body.
Yes, yes, no joke. And I can't paint a drawer to save myself, but happily, I think if there are little lines on the
street, I can stay within the line. So I'm not very good at staying within boundaries.
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Council Chambers: I'm really excited about this. I'm especially excited that this is very much a collaborative
project.
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Council Chambers: I mean, we in the LGBTQ plus community could not have done it without Amanda. Could
not have done it at all.
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Council Chambers: And,
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Council Chambers: If you notice the part of the rainbow crosswalk, one of the things that I suggest that, you
know, we've done is usually, like, on the pride flag, there are seven colors, there are the six colors, and then
there's the triangle, and those strips tend to be narrow. They need to be longer, but they're narrow.
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Council Chambers: Because they were added later.
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Council Chambers: And I want to put out a strong message to trans, bi, people of color, intersex people, etc,
that they are not an afterthought.
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Council Chambers: although…
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Council Chambers: Having been in the Gay Liberation Fund in New York City in 1970, I'll say we were pretty
damn white, and given that it was in New York, we're also pretty damn Jewish.
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Council Chambers: And, so, we always wondered, why are there without white people of color? And then
suddenly you realize, because it's hard to operate in a white universe with a white paradigm.
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Council Chambers: So I'm going to put out a very strong message
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Council Chambers: that this is really a crosswalk for all of us. And as I mentioned at the Historic Preservation
Committee, right now, there's a huge exodus from red states to blue states. Washington is one of the top of
the list.
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Council Chambers: And 15% of trans people who are leaving
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Council Chambers: other states are going to rule their lives. So we have people coming into Fort Townsend.
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Council Chambers: God knows where they're finding a place to live, but they are somehow coming here.
And, what I want to say is that this is a welcoming city. I was, one of the people who was pushing for that a
few years back.
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Council Chambers: At City Council, and I want to continue that here, and really kind of open our arms wide.
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Council Chambers: So, I hope you guys have to pause this, and what you said? It said 30 seconds. 30
seconds. So you have 20 seconds to meditate on this instead. Thanks, Jason.
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Council Chambers: Alyssa, would you know that Joshua Saunders arrived during public comment?
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Council Chambers: Okay, thank you.
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Council Chambers: Anybody else?
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Council Chambers: Three minutes of pain. Yes, of course.
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Council Chambers: I don't think the commute from there to here takes out a piece of… It doesn't count. My
name's Julia Cochran, I am the publisher of Good Life, which has been
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Council Chambers: In existence for over 25 years, has about 600 subscribers, and
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Council Chambers: the Greater Olympic Peninsula area. And, it is a newsletter. It is a virtual newsletter.
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Council Chambers: And,
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Council Chambers: Let's see. I, I'm delighted we're working with the farmer's market to do this, because it
shows the inclusion of this community that
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Council Chambers: you know, the farmer's market is there for sustainability and stuff like that. The queer
community would like to be sustainable. During Pride, which I'm… I work for the Production Alliance, but
during Pride, my congregation is going to be doing a fundraiser for an organization called Traction.
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Council Chambers: Which is helping trans people from around the country land in Washington state.
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Council Chambers: And, so this is all very real to me.
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Council Chambers: And I just ask that you approve this and let us show our colors.
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Council Chambers: It's legal.
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Council Chambers: Okay. Anybody else? I'd like to speak. If I could speak loud enough, I didn't stay here. I
think that's probably reasonable. Okay. My name is Donna Rudd, and I didn't come up with anything
prepared at all, but I am a member of the LGBTQ++
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Council Chambers: community, and I just want to say I support this. I live here in Port Townsend, and
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Council Chambers: I've only been here for 2 years, but I did spend a summer working 3 jobs back in the late
1990s and fell in love with the place, and it took me a while to get back. But that is one of the reasons I am
back, is the inclusion, and I feel welcomed here and safe.
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Council Chambers: And, you know, this crosswalk is… is…
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Council Chambers: I really… I do support it, absolutely.
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Council Chambers: Thank you, Donna.
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Council Chambers: Anybody else?
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Council Chambers: Okay.
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Council Chambers: No online action?
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Council Chambers: Okay, let's move on.
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Council Chambers: to Committee Business, Vice Chair Update. Wow, we don't see that on the agenda very
often. So, as you know, I'm the vice chair, and that's why I'm on the agenda. Alexis has moved on to
personal endeavors.
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Council Chambers: She did send out a notice to everybody.
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Council Chambers: But I just wanted to read a couple of the things that she said into the record that, in her
letter to all of us, that serving on the Arts Commission over the past several years has been a deeply
meaningful part of her life. She's especially grateful for the care and thoughtfulness and commitment each of
us have brought to this role.
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Council Chambers: She's choosing to create space for her own creative endeavors, she says. I'm
paraphrasing.
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Council Chambers: And she says, as you look ahead to selecting the next chair, I would encourage anyone
who is considering the role to know that it does not require being a subject matter expert in every aspect of
the Commission's work.
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Council Chambers: At its core, the role is about facilitating effective, efficient, and inclusive meetings, and
helping the group move its work forward with clarity and intention.
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Council Chambers: Wrangler.
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Council Chambers: That's my word. There is strong knowledge and experience across the Commission, and
the Chair's role is to support and guide that collective effort. I would be happy to connect with anyone who
is interested in the role and share more about my experience.
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Council Chambers: Thanks for the opportunity to serve, and for the trust you've placed in me during my time
as chair. I look forward to staying connected to the
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Council Chambers: continued growth of the arts and culture in Port Townsend and Jefferson County.
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Council Chambers: more broadly.
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Council Chambers: And she also kind of let us know if she's available, if we want to tap some of her
knowledge. I thought that was really admirable. And, you know, kudos to Alexis for serving as long as she
did. And I also want to say that she did the admirable exit, which was to finish her term.
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Council Chambers: I know that sometimes life dishes us left hooks, and we've had commissioners that have
to depart for other reasons.
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Council Chambers: incarcerations, alien abductions, you know, some stuff happens. But I just wanted to take
this moment, because I don't think I've ever seen the word vice chair update on the agenda before, so while
I have the pulpit momentarily, I'd like to put my two cents in that, I think it's really important to finish your
terms.
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Council Chambers: We're all depending on each other, especially on the subcommittees and the task forces,
so…
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Council Chambers: you could do that, I would sure appreciate that, and let's see… Also…
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Council Chambers: it's important to, when you come to the meetings, to really be prepared. We have a lot
more now than we used to have when I joined the Arts Commission, like, 40 years ago. Between… we've
encouraged Lonnie to send out the agenda
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Council Chambers: As early as possible, so that's usually…
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Council Chambers: 5 to 6 days ahead of time. So, just try to reserve on your calendar some block of time in
there to…
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Council Chambers: I mean, it takes a few hours, really, to read up on everything, and I do side research,
which I think's helpful. You know, everybody's got their method, but so that you can come in, not just to
attend the meeting, but to be
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Council Chambers: prepared. If you're not prepared, attend anyway. Don't not show up because you're not
prepared, you know? Yeah, so that is all I really had for the Vice Chair update.
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Council Chambers: Oh, now we're welcoming anew. I did that out of order. Yes, welcome again. You'd like to
tell us more about yourself. You're now on the… We should also point out that we had reappointments by…
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Council Chambers: Melanie and Simon, congratulations.
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Council Chambers: Oh, I did forget one thing. Back to the…
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Council Chambers: Vice Chair of Dean, which we're still under item F.
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Council Chambers: The letters that go out to commissioners when their term is up, Could use a little…
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Council Chambers: bedside manner. I'm gonna just use this opportunity to mention that. It kind of says, hey,
your term is up.
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Council Chambers: let us know if you're reapplying. In the meantime, we're putting the word out to fill your
space, whether you're going to be reapplying or not. And then the very last line is, thanks for serving.
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Council Chambers: I would just like to put on the record, it'd be nice to have that be at the beginning. Wow.
Like, say something like, you're so vital to the government structure that we've got here. Advisory boards,
advising council. We couldn't do it without you.
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Council Chambers: Thank you so much for the past leading up to this point. If by chance, you'd like to
continue.
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Council Chambers: we'd like to hear from you soon, so that we can consider that. In the meantime, of
course, we have this policy where we have to cover our bases and put the word out. You know, it could just
be rewritten. So now that this is on the record, if the city would like any help writing this, I'd like to
volunteer my time, as I've done for years. Continue to contribute.
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Council Chambers: To, because, you know, morale is important, and advisory boards are different than city
staff, because we don't get paid.
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Council Chambers: We don't even get out of parking tickets. I've tried. Yeah, it's like, hey, I'm on the Arts
Commission. Sorry, I had to pay. So, yeah, just a little softer approach, I think, would be appreciated.
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Council Chambers: And with that, let's move on to… we are about to take nominations to elect a new
chairperson. That's it. My time at the pulpit is up. Yeah, sure. It was wonderful. So, we are about to… now,
to be clear, this is to fulfill… oh, because Alexis finished her term, so this would be for a new…
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Council Chambers: Relief.
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Council Chambers: Chair, which would be whatever their normal term is, they would just have this new title.
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Council Chambers: Yes, correct. So… Are there any nominations for chairperson of this?
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Council Chambers: Advisory Board.
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Council Chambers: May I make a clarif a quick… I have a question.
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Council Chambers: Sure.
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Council Chambers: those facts.
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Council Chambers: This is Alyssa, the clerk. Just to confirm, is your chairperson… would this go from…
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Council Chambers: It's for one year, correct? Not for the entire.
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Council Chambers: Oh.
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Council Chambers: Their entire term.
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Council Chambers: That is correct. We have elections… Annually. Annually, in either December or January,
it's fluctuated a little bit, so yes, you are correct.
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Council Chambers: Okay. Second, would this just be finishing out until January?
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Council Chambers: I imagine so.
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Council Chambers: Okay, just wanted to clarify, saying 3 years versus 1 years.
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Council Chambers: Could be intimidating.
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Council Chambers: Thank you, Oz, behind the curtain.
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Council Chambers: You're welcome. I'm gonna mute myself now.
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Council Chambers: So, back to that, yeah, I had a question. Yeah. So you asked for nominations, so can we
nominate someone without them being aware that they're about… I mean, well, we did this… They have to
be on the Arts Commission. No, no, I understand that, but, like, just, I mean…
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Council Chambers: Yeah. Just hypothetically, like, I can nominate Dana, who just joined us today. Yes, you
may. I just wanted to just, you know, because I didn't want to share that. If multiple people are nominated,
then we hold a vote, yeah. And you can self-nominate. Okay. Yeah, are you self-nominating? No, I won't.
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Council Chambers: Okay, you're first. I would like to nominate you. Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. And I
don't know if you'd like to accept that or not, but… I am…
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Council Chambers: grateful for the nomination. I need to respect… respectfully decline, because I don't have
the time. And that is fair. And that is why I didn't know if I could do that, because we had not had the
chance to discuss that in advance. So, since we have new folks, like, I'm always happy to run a meeting, I've
been at Arts Commission a long time.
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Council Chambers: I just can't give any more time than I've got. I juggle 3 businesses, a teenager, I'm a
caregiver, so, yeah, that's great. Yeah, but I do appreciate this. I respectfully decline. Any other
nominations?
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Council Chambers: I have one. You know, in thinking about who to nominate, I went through the whole list,
well, honestly, except I didn't know you. I went through everybody on here, and everyone would do a fine
job. Yeah, we've got a really good group. Very capable, capable folks, so…
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Council Chambers: But I, pulled one person aside and asked if they would be willing to, accept a nomination
so that I didn't show up unprepared. And so, as a result of that conversation, I would like to nominate
Donna.
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Council Chambers: I… I would accept,
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Council Chambers: I'm obviously concerned about, you know, being new to the Commission, relatively new
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Council Chambers: And I guess the advantage is I'm retired, so I do have time, and…
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Council Chambers: meetings and procedures, and can stumble along, hopefully. Gives everybody's
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Council Chambers: I think that qualifies you. Libby has her hand up.
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Libby Wennstrom: Yeah, I was just gonna say that, I would also sort of second that nomination, that, you
know, having worked with Doug on a number of things, I think he would be a… I understand he's new to the
commission, but I think he's got a lot of the skill set that would make him successful in the role.
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Council Chambers: Very good. If thirding is anything, I would third. Because, I will say I have served in
leadership on boards and commissions that I kind of just joined, and sometimes that's a great perspective to
come into it. You don't carry a lot of baggage that gives you a fresh, a fresh set of eyes, so…
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Council Chambers: I don't see anything wrong with that.
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Council Chambers: you know, the folks that have been care. Is that, by chance, a second from a sitting
commissioner versus a city council person? Excellent. I didn't know if Libby was allowed to ask. She's not
allowed, but that's… By point of order.
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Libby Wennstrom: Yeah, that's true, I can talk, but I don't think I can vote, and I think seconding might
count as that, so…
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Libby Wennstrom: Just hear that as a voice of support, then, rather than a second.
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Council Chambers: It would be my honor to second that. Well, very good.
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Council Chambers: If there are no further nominations, it makes sense that we vote on the single nominee,
and, before we vote.
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Council Chambers: we could point out, you don't need to run the rest of the meeting if you don't want to. I
was prepared to do it. You may, if you want, like, this is probably up to you as your first role, like, once we
vote.
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Council Chambers: you could say, as chair, I appoint Dan or Ren the rest of the meeting, or anybody else,
but it really adds up to you. I mean, there's the agenda, there's a bunch of notes.
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Council Chambers: So that'd be up to you. So, yeah, so let's vote. All those in favor of having Doug Kaske be
our new chair of the Arts Commission.
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Council Chambers: Wow. You can vote. Okay. Unanimous vote. Unanimous, very good. Well, that's
promising. Welcome. Thank you all.
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Council Chambers: Hopefully, you will continue to be here and offer your support and insight and wisdom
and experience, and yes, I would love it.
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Council Chambers: Let's do it together, then. Okay. This is how convenient. But I will, I would be happy to. I
was concerned about that when I saw that order. Maybe we should do elections at the end.
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Council Chambers: Okay, well, that works. Well, and luckily we have Katie here, who kind of knows what's
going on. So, next is the Treasurer update, and that would be Melody. So, the expenditures to date are… the
grants for Round 1 was $13,500,
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Council Chambers: The Poet Laureate stipend was $1,500.
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Council Chambers: And the Poet Laureate programming is $1,300, with the breakdown for $300 for the
musical accompan… accompaniment. Can't say that word. Soundcheck, $300 for recording at Ka Tai Ribbon
Cutting Event.
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Council Chambers: 400 for the video recording at the Kal Thai ribbon cutting event, $300 for the poet
stipends and sound check.
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Council Chambers: And so that gave us, like, over a sound check budget of $500.
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Council Chambers: So that's the Poet Laureate, Art Awards. There's nothing more outstanding there, and
there's $3,084.05.
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Council Chambers: Which 200 went for music, 200 for the ASL interpretation, 164 for the frames for the
proclamations, and 1,000 for photo and video documentation.
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Council Chambers: 200 for the sound tech, and 1320 for the leader ad.
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Council Chambers: And then we have a 6,500 for 2027.
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Council Chambers: And $100 for the grant submission software.
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Council Chambers: Very good. And then this $1,200 for marketing, that's something we're going to talk
about each month, do you think. I don't know, we, I mean, we… Part of our work plan, maybe? Yeah, we
have that. It's basically, like, if there's something that the commission wants to promote, we have some
funding to do it. It's not tagged to any specific projects, so…
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Council Chambers: You can't use it for our sushi party, okay. Probably not. All right, thanks, Melanie.
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Council Chambers: I don't have any, like, major things that aren't part of this meeting already, but I just
wanted to mention there is a card circulating, a thank you card circulating for Alexis, so if that could… if y'all
want to sign that before the end of the meeting, that, I think, would be… I think she'd appreciate that
gesture.
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Council Chambers: I did want to mention, I think everybody should have got an invitation for the Advisory
Board Mixer. Mixer! This is sort of along the lines of what you were talking about, Daniel, a little bit to show
us a little bit of appreciation and build a little bit of, like, community and camaraderie around people who are
volunteering a lot of their time and energy to support the city. So this is sort of a little spring appreciation
event. It's on May 20th, and I think everyone got their dollars.
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Council Chambers: an email of the RSVP and stuff. Yes, just a reminder, or just a gentle reminder to please
be there, otherwise I'll be really lonely. There won't be any cool people to hang out with. Got that, cool
people? So please come. So I just… it's really nice, you know, when there's a good showing from folks, so
we hope you'll be able to be there. Gotta challenge those historical preservation guys to volume up. Totally,
yeah.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, bring, like, bring your wiffle ball back, we can go down to the Wolverine Park. I
would do that. I would love to play wiffle ball. Alyssa, is that okay if I bring my wiffle ball back. And finally, I
wanted, there was a question, Public Art Committee, but I thought this was just a good time to address it
really quickly, about the whale and Adams Street Park. It's coming down, next week.
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Council Chambers: So, just saying, it's only up for the holiday season, or like, and it'll be back next. What is
that? It's like a… it was a lighting feature over the holidays that's in Adams Street Park, but it's a temporary
fixture, and it's leaving, and it'll be back in the…
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Council Chambers: fall. Wait, the lights are leaving, or the whale is leaving? I know the light's still on, I
haven't seen that until the evening. I haven't noticed. The whale is leaving. Gotcha. Whales are seasonal.
Whales are seasonal. Seasonal whale.
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Council Chambers: So, yeah, that's all I have for my staff update today. There's a packed agenda of lots of
other exciting things, so I don't think we really need to belabor anything else.
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Council Chambers: At the moment. So, thanks, everybody.
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Council Chambers: Okay, now let's move on to item I.
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Council Chambers: I stands for street painting.
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Council Chambers: That's like an Indiana Jones. Yeah. So, let's see, looks like… April 9th, it's got…
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Council Chambers: Steve, all the permits are in place, application. So, Katie, help us out. Where are we with
this? Yeah. Steve King has reviewed what part of it? So, I will, yeah, I can go over a little bit the process that
we've been to to date with this, and then basically,
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Council Chambers: If you look at Paige…
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Council Chambers: Sorry, let me find it really quick. You're gonna have to watch me sculpt. No, it's
nauseating, but,
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Council Chambers: the approval criteria that I'm bringing up on the board, on the screen, once it re… comes
back, hopefully.
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Council Chambers: Alyssa, and she sounded like you're asking? Yes.
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Council Chambers: Anyway, so backing up a little bit, we'll see this once it's up there. Basically, there is, you
know, a process that was put in place by City Council in 2021 in order to do street cleaning projects like the
one that the farmers market and partners are applying for.
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Council Chambers: This is the first time that an organization or a group of organizations has, like.
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Council Chambers: use that process to actually propose something, which is really exciting. The first… so
they've been working through that process for several months. As you all know, they also came to PTAC to
ask for optional financial support for the project, which PTAC granted in March, $1,500 towards this.
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Council Chambers: project. There's a sort of a three-step permitting process that is separate from the
funding process, which is that a design is proposed.
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Council Chambers: It goes through an engineering review to make sure it's going to be, like, safe and
doesn't have any, like, there are traffic concerns and that stuff about it. Because this… this particular, project
is happening within the Historic Preservation… Historic District, it also had to go before the Historic
Preservation Committee.
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Council Chambers: They reviewed this on Tuesday, and also recommended approval for Council.
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Council Chambers: And so the last step on that process before this project will go to City Council for final
approval on May 18th is a recommendation from PTAC or whatever PTAC wants to say about it, which will be
considered, by Council when they make their final judgment about whether to approve the project or not on
May 18th.
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Council Chambers: In terms of what PEATAC is looking at.
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Council Chambers: we're not here to judge content, we're not here to make, sort of comments about, like,
what we like or don't like. That's not the role of the body. The role of the body is to make sure that it
doesn't… this project doesn't supersede
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Council Chambers: This limited public form criteria, so it doesn't include violent images, sexually graphic
images, it doesn't have inappropriate, like, elements that would
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Council Chambers: like, that are objectionable under community standards, and it's not an advertisement.
And also to make any, comments on the… on design in relation to, sort of, like.
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Council Chambers: Success from a, Like, standpoint of expertise in street murals and or, like.
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Council Chambers: murals in general. So, like, things like, these details might be too small to read well. Like,
those are things that PTAC, as, like, sort of the expert art body, can say. You don't actually have any… any…
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Council Chambers: whether that gets done or not is not something that, like, PTAC can, like, say yay or nay
over, but you can give that advice, essentially, as, like, you know, from, like, an artistic standpoint.
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Council Chambers: And besides that, like, the project is, the other pieces of it, like, that might be considered
are, you know, the purview of either Council, HPC, or, the Public Works and Engineering. Does that make
sense?
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Council Chambers: More or less.
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Council Chambers: Let me make sure I heard you correctly. You said that we don't have purview over, like,
subject matter?
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Council Chambers: Content. Content. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: Like, yeah, yes, correct. So, how are we supposed to judge, say, like, item 7?
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Council Chambers: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, part of the reason that item 7 exists is because the city was
trying to figure out a way to say that, like, certain kinds of imagery aren't
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Council Chambers: Like, something that they would be reflective of, like, what the community generally feels
like is alright.
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Council Chambers: I worry that this is objectionable under contemporary community standards because of
these reasons, but, you know, but I don't… there… the difference between that and, like, content is
potentially subjective, but is the standard. Right. And I think Jeff is the wrong word, like, to…
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Council Chambers: evaluate or deliberate about. Correct. I know we've discussed, subject matter before in
works to see if it passed all of this. Right.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, so I anticipated that this would be a topic of discussion.
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Council Chambers: In looking through the packet, there are a couple,
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Council Chambers: placement of, components of the mural. Lots of support for…
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Council Chambers: And so, I don't know how many people went and did research on, like, the pros and
cons, but I do think that's a valuable part of this body's duty to kind of look at all the angles. And then, you
know, I've been on record before saying everybody gets to vote to their own
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Council Chambers: you know, beliefs and whatnot. This is a Democratic body, so we all need to go forward
from whatever the majority vote is and support the overall commission position.
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Council Chambers: But you get to use your individual, vote for what you want. That said, we're also a little
bit duty-bound by, you know, what the rules are. When we sign up, we're agreeing to help promote the
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Council Chambers: the codes, support the codes of the city. And, this one, this number 7, really got me,
thinking. And I remember when we wrote this, and we put 7 in there, because it's the only one that's
subjective enough that
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Council Chambers: It could be a wide enough of a net cast to kind of reel in some different perspectives that
the others are either, you know, obviously violent images is going to be… maybe that could even be
subjective too, but pretty obvious.
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Council Chambers: I've also gone on the record before saying that, you know, in my decades of being in the
art world, there are really 3 kinds of art.
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Council Chambers: They really just fall into these three categories. There's… and they're thematic, too.
There's spiritual, religious.
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Council Chambers: social, political, and honestly, those two categories are some of the best art out there.
But for municipal art, there's really only one successful category that slams dunks all the time. That's just art
for art's sake. And examples of successful arts for art's sake are…
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Council Chambers: The, Sailor Sea Circle across the street is just, bronze, geometric, negative space, fun.
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Council Chambers: Reputable artists built well, the,
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Council Chambers: Blue Heron Uptown, Great Blue.
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Council Chambers: Everybody likes blue herons, it's fun, you know, and it got me thinking.
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Council Chambers: about this mural. It's the first time we've really seen the actual depiction of it. We just
had some sort of hypothetical examples when the funding passed for $1,500. And I think the elements up
here that are art for art's sake are clearly, like, the…
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Council Chambers: The white bars on this end of the street, where there are flowers and vegetables.
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Council Chambers: It's hard for art's sake, everybody likes vegetables.
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Council Chambers: I don't have any issues with the emblem in the middle, other than Steve had mentioned,
I think that needs to be pulled in to not interfere with the white lines on the…
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Council Chambers: the bike lane. So that really draws the focus on the, red flag area, and that's what people
were commenting on online. I'd really like to get a discussion going.
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Council Chambers: as to what people's perceptions are of that. I don't want to start by maybe saying what
my thoughts are, other than I've got a lot of thoughts, and they're coming from here and here. I've got my
personal things I like to see happen, and then my
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Council Chambers: duty to the city hat, and then, you know, I've talked before about
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Council Chambers: Has the city attorney weighed in on certain things about, like, does this open up Other
groups wanting to…
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Council Chambers: Feel support by placing pictorial imagery that are representative of their group.
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Council Chambers: in sidewalks in town, because once we have a… you know, we just advise Council, but
once council approves something like this, they are,
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Council Chambers: It's a didactic statement in the public forum that not only speaks to that particular
artwork, but that the public forum is okay for
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Council Chambers: other expressions. So it's a little tricky. I do a lot of research on the national level.
Seattle's a good example. They've had some issues that maybe we could talk about.
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Council Chambers: But before I… go into all that. I'd love to hear if anybody
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because I looked at some things, and I,
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Council Chambers: I have done work in much more conservative states.
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Council Chambers: So, perception is different. And one of the things I thought about was, like.
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Council Chambers: the imagery being inappropriate, and I, you know, I thought of our community and who
we are, and I feel like the imagery is very appropriate in our community. It's not meant to be provocative.
It's not meant to challenge
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Council Chambers: someone else's belief. It's just meant to show that this is something that we embrace and
feel inclusive towards. Whereas if we were a different community, this might be seen as a much more
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Council Chambers: move. And, you know, provocation is one of the purposes of art, right? It should be
provocative, in my opinion.
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Council Chambers: But I don't think that's an intent here. And so, for myself, as a community member first, I
think I would totally embrace this and love this, right? So there's that.
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Council Chambers: As a commissioner, I look at it and say.
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Council Chambers: almost seem like hate to somebody who feels very differently than I do about this. I don't
think, again, that's intent, and I think intent needs to be something we look at when something is
controversial or potentially
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Council Chambers: I'll do our show.
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Council Chambers: Sorry I was late, I had a session, I couldn't get out of it. Alyssa, Simon has joined us.
Thank you. A question that comes up for me, one, is that I think maybe there's some online commentary
that I didn't see…
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Council Chambers: Was that in a packet, or is that something that's happening separately? I mean, is that…
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Council Chambers: I was just referring to what's in the back. Oh, gotcha, okay. So,
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Council Chambers: Sorry, I thought I was hearing it. Yeah, I'm sure there's an online comment, right? Okay,
I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something that was happening. And I think also, that the idea
that, existing would be something
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Council Chambers: That is seen as… adversarial or… Controversial. I don't know, I…
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Council Chambers: I think we need to look at that, because I think that is, a debate or an argument that is
thrown out a lot.
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Council Chambers: And for… for people in, the community that this is representing, it's like, it's just me
existing. Yeah. And I think that's worthy of note. And also that if we were to see, like, is it opening up the
door for then other people to come in.
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Council Chambers: we would find places where it's like, no, this is hateful. I don't know if that's what you
were referring to specifically, but that was just what kind of came to mind for me.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, so, I don't know, these are some initial thoughts I have.
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Council Chambers: I would agree. I have… I was… have been disappointed recently by some comments on
me?
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Council Chambers: on Facebook, the drag show that had to be canceled. I don't know if you guys saw that,
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Council Chambers: And opens those things, so it's not as… Abrasive, I guess.
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Council Chambers: some questions for me that I didn't have just reviewing the packet. I was surprised To
see the…
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Council Chambers: And, you know, the reasons that they cited I guess, you know.
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Council Chambers: Yes, this conversation has raised the question in my mind.
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Council Chambers: For, you know, the… the one person in town.
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Council Chambers: We'll find it objectionable, and want.
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Council Chambers: equal time.
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Council Chambers: And… if that happens, What's our position?
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Council Chambers: To respond to that, and… Do we have to?
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Council Chambers: Open up an intersection for that.
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Council Chambers: For that expression, whatever it turns out to be.
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Council Chambers: I'm all in favor of this. I think it's great. I appreciate the…
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Council Chambers: But, yeah, you know, like, being that we're government and not… independent arts.
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Council Chambers: organization. Does that make a difference? I don't know.
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Council Chambers: Are we making it political, though? I mean, I feel like there's a certain… sorry, and I don't
want to take up too much airtime, but just, like, is this actually a… I mean, it has become political, and we
can't deny that.
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Council Chambers: But is this political? Like, and I guess that's what's starting to come for me. I think that's
where I'm going, is despite the external politicization of this, or what did I say that? I like it. But, that it is
not intended here for that purpose, and we… do we have to let that outside noise
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Council Chambers: Yeah, maybe that's a choice. Well, so, if I could, I don't know how much of the outside
noise is represented here at this meeting, either, so we, when we say, oh, the community, it's really hard
to… it's like the majority of the community, the overwhelming
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Council Chambers: you know, portion of it, like, who are we supposed to be looking out for in the
community? Maybe the least represented person, like, so that we can
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Council Chambers: accommodate everybody.
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Council Chambers: the… Choice of the flag in the,
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Council Chambers: in the proposal, it's the updated… I think in the proposal, it was referred to as the,
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Council Chambers: Not the modern, yeah, the modern pride flag. And it's gone through, like, from 1978, the
first rainbow flag, and then it, you know, it's had a few, morphings to what it is today, and this is the most,
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Council Chambers: progressive modern one, the one that's depicted in the proposal. And the chevrons have
meaning, that's meaning, like, that means that,
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Council Chambers: you've got to move forward, you've got a direction to go. We've got to move the agenda
forward of awareness and inclusivity, and there are a lot of words associated that no one would disagree
with. Inclusivity and community, and those are the catchwords, but certain elements affiliate with, definitely
some political,
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Council Chambers: Some political, themes that are going on, and it can be denied that the fact that we have
a couple people that
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Council Chambers: Have,
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Council Chambers: put their letters in disagreeing with this means that there is at least a little controversy
out there about what the imagery represents. It is symbolic. Flags represent things. We have to consider,
would we put
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Council Chambers: a crosswalk that had the POW MIA flag, say, if that group came to us and wanted
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Council Chambers: You know, according to… if we pass this, then… You kind of have to…
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Council Chambers: Honor any group that came with… with a flag imagery that represents their movement.
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Council Chambers: this is why I think having the city attorney weigh in on some of this, I don't know if
they've reviewed this at all.
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Council Chambers: But I… I do think it's, political, this… the movement that the symbol represents. I don't
think that they can be separated. When you look at nationwide, there's a lot of controversy around this,
whether you support it or not. A lot of vandalism, Doug brought that up.
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Council Chambers: Seattle in particular, went outside of the norm, which is the,
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Council Chambers: Most of the federal road requirements are that there's the white bar where crosswalks
are, so people don't get run over, and that's, like, the federal norm. And then Seattle was told, well, hey, if
you put a rainbow sidewalk in.
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Council Chambers: you know, you're not gonna have those bars. They solved it by having the white
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Council Chambers: containment bars on the outside, which this proposal has. And Seattle was told, you
know, that's not really conforming, and Seattle said.
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Council Chambers: Alright, National Review Board, just…
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Council Chambers: watch us. And Seattle went ahead and did it. But Seattle's got a really big, purse of
money to do legal defense. If someone were to get hit in that crosswalk, that would definitely be a, hey, this
doesn't conform to federal standards. So, and the state could have brought a challenge to that, but the state
decided not to, because the state
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Council Chambers: is supportive of Seattle's position, and we're supportive of Seattle's position. But I've just,
you know, is it our duty? We're not the legal department, but is it our duty to advise counsel that that should
be something to at least be thought of, probably, without, you know, digging into law books, that is a
concern.
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Council Chambers: I mean, I don't… I don't know if it's 100%, like, appropriate or not, but I think that's why
Libby's here. I think it'd be interesting to hear from, like, the Council perspective on this. I think that's why
we have a council liaison, since ultimately, sort of, these questions, which are not the aesthetic questions
that were completely, you know, part of this discussion, are ultimately Council's
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Council Chambers: purview, so I'm curious if, like, you have thoughts on this, Libby.
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Libby Wennstrom: Sure. I… I… both of the things that were included in the packet were feedback that got
sent to Council rather than to PTAC, and I did bubble those up, and I sort of think there might have been
another one, but I didn't immediately find it, because it may have been, like, in some other, like, in public
comment grid or something. But I wanted to send those forward to PTAC just because I
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Libby Wennstrom: I felt like it was useful for…
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Libby Wennstrom: PTAC could hear other feedback that Council had gotten.
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Libby Wennstrom: I can… I can say that I'm relatively new to Culture and Society Committee, which is where
things like this would more typically come. I wasn't on Culture and Society in 2022, when a bunch of, sort of,
similar issues came to us.
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Libby Wennstrom: And there was a resolution passed in 2022
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Libby Wennstrom: around, you know, transgender rights being human rights, and it… we wrestled with
some of the same kinds of issues, and at the time, it wasn't really a question of, is this putting a target on
us? Because Port Townsend already had, you know, it had been, you know, on national news, it had, you
know, there was a lot of targeting on the city.
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Libby Wennstrom: And…
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Libby Wennstrom: I think what that council, which is not 100% the same people, but it's many of the same
people, really wrestled with was that we felt like
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Libby Wennstrom: Making a statement about human rights.
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Libby Wennstrom: was in support of something, rather than against something, and that…
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Libby Wennstrom: Being, you know, a… in the same spirit of being, you know, being a welcoming city, or of,
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Libby Wennstrom: Making an active…
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Libby Wennstrom: inclusivity of things like the Ear Board, that that resolution was in line with those values
we'd kind of articulated as a city.
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Libby Wennstrom: So we did go ahead and do it, but these were the kinds of questions that got brought up.
I don't think it really went too legal in the sense of, is this creating risk for us in terms of… but it… but there
wasn't a physical object, like, you know, oh, could somebody get hit in this crosswalk because it isn't
conforming?
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Libby Wennstrom: Reading the packet, Steve King's comment from a public works perspective was making
sure that the spacing was such that it was… if somebody was colorblind, they would still visually read that as
a crosswalk marker.
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Libby Wennstrom: So I think that can be addressed in a number of ways. It doesn't necessarily have to be
done the way that Seattle did or didn't do it. So I think those are… that's kind of what I would bring as a
council.
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Libby Wennstrom: perspective. I think it is likely… I mean, I can't speak for my other six councillors, but I
think it is likely that Council will probably, if PTAC pushes this up.
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Libby Wennstrom: for… to Council, or to Culture and Society, it seems likely that Council will support it, but…
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Libby Wennstrom: I do hear the concerns, and I think it's good that we're discussing them.
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Council Chambers: Thanks, Libby. Just to… to make sure I heard it correctly, the Historic Preservation
Committee approved and recommended… And…
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Council Chambers: I guess, you know… Yes, I… I would…
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Council Chambers: questioned whether these will read as a crosswalk. On the other hand, listening to
Amanda's comment.
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Council Chambers: Does the existing crosswalk work? Well, I would say that that, particular element of it is
public works purview, and they have already said it's fine. So, like, I don't think that that's actually
something PTAC has to worry about, particularly,
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Council Chambers: And, I…
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Council Chambers: So really, just for point of clarification, then, our soul will…
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Council Chambers: Approval, if you will, here is…
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Council Chambers: Just them moving forward with the project as is, and not really weighing in.
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Council Chambers: As long as it meets all these, not really waning. Yeah, our role is to move a
recommendation forward to Council through a vote after evaluating
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Council Chambers: these seven items. Sorry, it's my first actual public record, my first one, so make sure to
follow the correct process. And I… the thing that isn't in there, like I said, but I think does fall under
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Council Chambers: PTAC's purview as, sort of, like, the arts commission is if there were, like, any advice or
recommendation that was just, like, hey, you might want to think about, like.
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Council Chambers: you know, things tend to read better when they're, like, large color blocks in this kind of
space. Like, you might want to think about making this a little more abstract, or, like, things like that. But,
like, I don't think that that is the case in this… in this particular project, from my point of view, but
something might come to the
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Council Chambers: commissioned up, like, that would be something to look at, like, hey, we're worried this
just might not be successfully artistically… successful artistically. Well, on that note, I just wanted to toss out
an idea, and then I'd love to hear some feedback.
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Council Chambers: you know, when I first heard that there was going to be a rainbow crosswalk, and the
proposal originally was crosswalk singular, not four.
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Council Chambers: I just thought it was going to be one at the end of the street. It said rainbow crosswalk,
and I kind of pictured the older one, the classic one, and that's what Seattle has. It's just the classic
rainbow, we all grew up with Sesame Street, it's that kind of a thing. The one that's considered the modern
pride flag.
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Council Chambers: It's actually designed by a guy with the coolest last name ever, Quasar.
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Council Chambers: And it's copyrighted, but he's released the rights to it to anybody in a community that
wants to use it. But he himself has said that he explicitly described it as a message and a movement.
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Council Chambers: The flag was designed to shift focus to what's important in our current community
climate.
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Council Chambers: And,
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Council Chambers: It says that it's an argument that progress is still needed, so it does have, like, a didactic
element. It's not just art for art's sake. It does have a,
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Council Chambers: It's representative of an art movement, not an art movement, a national movement, a
political movement.
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Council Chambers: It's the literal flag that represents that. So, if we vote this forward, I just…
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Council Chambers: Want to make sure we all know what we're doing.
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Council Chambers: I think that's fair. I don't think that that actually is, like, remains, like, is related to artistic
success. I'm just, like, to…
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Council Chambers: Just to say, like… Related to number 7.
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Council Chambers: Perhaps, but it's… just… anyway.
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Council Chambers: Oh, yeah, I mean, I think it's just the… I don't know.
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Council Chambers: But I think it's a… it's a tricky place, the… the…
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Council Chambers: It's not partisan. The one letter said it's so partisan. I don't believe it's partisan. Yeah,
yeah.
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Council Chambers: I would say, as I am not running the meeting, I would feel like I could make the motion
that PTAC would
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Council Chambers: Approve and endorse the proposal.
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Council Chambers: As it stands.
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Council Chambers: Melanie, seconds?
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Council Chambers: Okay.
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Council Chambers: Discussion phase.
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Council Chambers: Sorry, sorry, sorry. Someone calling here. I thought I put that on.
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Council Chambers: And Libby, just to ask again, before this gets to City Council.
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Council Chambers: Would there be a chance for legal review and input?
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Council Chambers: Oh my god.
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Libby Wennstrom: Sorry, I gotta unmute. Ptac can ask for, the city attorney to look at it.
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Libby Wennstrom: Or…
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Council Chambers: It already happened.
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Libby Wennstrom: ask.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, I've had…
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Council Chambers: I mean, I've had discussions with… I had discussions with the city attorney about this
code in general, not this particular project.
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Council Chambers: Just to say, and like, you know…
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Council Chambers: his perspective was, like, if you're gonna, like, sort of, like, put… ship this out to the
community, you're gonna get what the community gives back to you. Like, that's what… that's… that's how
this is designed. Like, if you want control over what
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Council Chambers: happens, like, you should just control it, like, commission work yourself, but if you're
gonna let the community, you know, have this access, then they're gonna, you know, they're gonna…
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Council Chambers: Choose what they want to put on the street.
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Council Chambers: So… Which is the difference between, like, the commissioned work, like the, you know…
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Council Chambers: the things that you mentioned earlier as public artworks are, like, actually in a pretty
different space, because they're things that the city went out, did public calls for, and you know what I
mean? They have a sort of a slightly separate thing, so… Well, I think it's still… it's still public art, it's the
public realm, and we're being asked to make a recommendation about it. Any other,
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Council Chambers: Discussion phase.
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Council Chambers: contributions.
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Council Chambers: I see it as one of those things where it bring… it really will bring joy, this whole thing.
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Council Chambers: And joy is an act of resistance.
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Council Chambers: So yeah, just for the record, I don't…
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Council Chambers: think that public art should be used to send
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Council Chambers: messages. I'm a strong believer in municipal art being art for art's sake. That's always
the safest and most successful.
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Council Chambers: That said, you know, I was…
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Council Chambers: I voted against the Black Lives Matter mural because we didn't have
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Council Chambers: the imagery proposed to us, and I was concerned that we'd have a surprise, but I was
happy to see it happen. So I was, like, walking this fine line. And this is exciting, too. I'm just trying to do…
due diligence on, you know, the research, and felt like it was my responsibility to bring that to the table.
With that, any other last comments?
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Council Chambers: Let's call the question, then. So, the motion is…
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Council Chambers: recommend to Council that it proceed as proposed.
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Council Chambers: We have a second. All in favor?
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Council Chambers: Any opposed?
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Council Chambers: I'm the one opposed. It passes! Congratulations, you guys. Good conversation. Yeah,
you're…
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Council Chambers: Your thoughts are always appreciated. Hold on, my agenda is timed out. Let's pull this
down.
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Council Chambers: Thank you, Brittany.
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Council Chambers: Oh, okay.
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Council Chambers: Next item, let's see. Thank y'all so much. Oh, you can stick around for the whole thing.
We'll scroll through that.
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Council Chambers: Work group updates, public gardens. So, so, this is just something I thought that, like,
the
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Council Chambers: Well, actually, sorry. I'll talk about this part, and then there's other public art parts that…
Oh, there are. That public art can talk about. But, I thought I would just… I'll just start quickly, and we don't
have to go over it in depth, but I just wanted to say this is a project that had been for, in the works for a
while. Joshua and Dan had helped go through the public art plan and compile all of the, like, important parts
of
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Council Chambers: like…
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Council Chambers: Maintenance out of a lot of that language, much of which is from, like, sort of this, like,
overall guidebook for,
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Council Chambers: for maintaining public art. And I took that and, you know, sort of…
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Council Chambers: streamline it even more to make it, like, a usable guide for the city to actually start
maintaining the public art collection. So, this has been shared with the Parks Department, who is planning to
do maintenance, on the Salish Sea Circle and Great Blue this spring using these guidelines. And I just
wanted PTAC basically to have this, so that it was something that the
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Council Chambers: that the Commission was aware of, and the idea is that every…
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Council Chambers: March, some public art… the public art committee, probably a subset of members that
has been, you know, that chooses to do it, will go out and go through all of the pieces of the collection and
choose
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Council Chambers: And look at which ones need attention, and then we'll let the parks or facilities
department know, and now they have, like, a guidebook, basically, to help them.
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Council Chambers: Do that work.
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Council Chambers: So I think it's a good step, on the road towards better care for the collection. So I just
wanted to show… show that. Very good, the yellow yeses, that's good. Yeah, so… and those were just based
on, things that, like, Dan was like, hey, I see these things, need attention. And I've gone a different,
direction for getting the art markers, worked on as well, since they aren't technically
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Council Chambers: part of the… Collection right now, even though they are owned by the city.
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Council Chambers: So they're gonna get… get touched up and painted, but they are not part of this public
art maintenance plan, because they're not technically public. Looks like the one at the plaza's been touched
up, but there's… There's still one. Yeah, yeah. It's on… it's happening. Maybe I've got that wrong. One of
them. Yeah, it's in the works. Thank you. Yeah. There's still paint around that color?
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Council Chambers: Yeah, they have the beat. Henry's probably hasn't.
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Council Chambers: So… Yeah, you know what I realized I didn't do in this, packet was put in, like, the
agenda or notes from our last meeting, which I usually do, but if someone who was in that last meeting
wants to just give a quick
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Council Chambers: Update to the commission as a whole, that would be great.
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Council Chambers: It didn't seem like it was a year ago. I know. I know. I felt that way, too. I could try to
find it. What did we talk about, you guys? I think we talked about the miracle.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, that was the whole, that was the whole… Yeah, talked about other towns, and how
they approach mural, and we, discussed the doing some reach-out, which David…
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Council Chambers: reached out and has opened a conversation with American Legion. Yeah. Yeah. And I
reached out to Michelle Sandoval, who's also open to doing something on the future building. She's open to
doing something.
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Council Chambers: Like, the subway side? Like, the subway side and the back side of the building, which are
both cinder block walls. Right when you get off the ferry. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's huge. So, so
there's some cool… so interesting things, these are all very preliminary, because we're trying to figure out
what the next steps would look like, but yeah, we spent the whole… that's right, we spent most of the
meeting just discussing this idea of
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Council Chambers: what updating murals would look like, or, like, what making a pathway for getting murals
in Port Townsend would look like.
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Council Chambers: At first, we started by, like, looking at code, and then we're like, is it actually a code
issue? Maybe it's not. And so then we were like, let's go out and do some research about different programs
that are operating in different places, and so hopefully.
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Council Chambers: We'll come back next time with some of that information that the Public Art Committee
members have found some good examples for us to share. Well, so just as an example, what could that look
like? So, you know, when I talked to the Legion guys.
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Council Chambers: Bob over there, he knew immediately, he goes, yeah, mural, that's right, I want this
image of this guy on this wall with the… with the Medal of Honor. Marvin G. Shields. Marvin Shields. Yeah,
he's been thinking about it. And, like, yeah, they've been thinking about it. So, like, they're ready to go, and
they could probably do their own
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Council Chambers: you know, grassroots funding for that. I don't think he mentioned anything about an
artist. That's probably where we would, you know, match up our network.
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Council Chambers: So is it just as simple as that, or does this need to be moved on to, like, next year's work
plan, or… Yeah, maybe both, right? Because I think that it's not that simple, like, nothing has proved to be
that simple.
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Council Chambers: But at the same time, I do think that, like, one of the best ways to figure out where the
friction points are, where the complication points are, is to figure out a project and just say, like, how do we
get this done?
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Council Chambers: Yeah. So I think the more that we can, like, flesh out a project and say, like, how do we
get this done? Like, they want to do this, it's gonna be Marvin Shields, this guy's gonna paint it, it's gonna be
right here, and see where we hear, like, no.
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Council Chambers: like, that's gonna be how we learn, like, how to kind of… like, what needs to be done to,
like, create a right… the right process. So that's one option, or, like, working with,
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Council Chambers: you know, seeing what Michelle's up for is another option. So just, like, I think that at the
next Public Art Committee, we can kind of decide what those next steps might look like, and I do really
continue to encourage people to look into what other places are doing, so that we have more information
outside of PT.
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Council Chambers: Move forward till we hit a no. Better not be those HPC guys. They're going down. We will
see. Friendly volleyball challenge, yeah.
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Council Chambers: Alright, cool, so that's public art. Let's see, what else did we talk about? Maintenance, we
talked about murals, we talked about our code development. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: Is that about it? And it seems like it does. Okay. I just realized that our next piece of
information,
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Council Chambers: Doesn't appear, like, it doesn't appear to be in the, pack it.
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Council Chambers: Way to go, Doug. Which is… I'm sorry. Which was probably my fault, I probably didn't
send it to…
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Council Chambers: Alyssa just asked me this, too. She was like, is everything in the packet? I was like, I
think so, but it doesn't look like it is, which is this, graph… draft artist grant scoring review. Oh, no, it's in
here. Is it there? Where was it? Right after the, 56, yeah.
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Council Chambers: We're going to skip over. Right after… it's like the page after two tax completed.
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Council Chambers: Good job. Oh, okay.
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Council Chambers: Oh, there it is. Okay, great, great, great. Okay, never mind. I take it back. I take it all
back. Let me start sharing the screen again. Oh, you know? It's back for the…
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Council Chambers: It's like that. Yeah, so this is the next item on the agenda.
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Council Chambers: From the…
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Council Chambers: grant work group, which we also met. Do… Doug or Simon, do you guys want to talk
about this a little bit, or what?
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Council Chambers: Yes. Just before we move on from the public piece,
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Council Chambers: I didn't have time to write this email, but…
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Council Chambers: when you were talking about, like, what we want to, like, see in the upcoming year, that
email that you sent out, I personally, like, being part of the public committee, I feel like one thing that I
would really like to see, and, like, potentially even be willing to put
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Council Chambers: you know, more energy into, personally, is, like, we have this list of, like, locations that
could receive physical public artworks, and I just would like to see us create some kind of momentum to,
like, build an opportunity around, like, at least one of those sites during the next year. Because I think that,
like.
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Council Chambers: Although I think that it's really interesting and important and part of the, like, current
site, guys, to be, like, solving the mural issue and the street painting, and that's kind of, like, what
everywhere in the country is doing. I think we still have these, like, in-the-ground opportunities to, like.
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Council Chambers: have artwork be present in our town physically, and I just think that is something that
should be kind of moved up one rung in the priorities, because we have a literal list of sites, and we now
have more budget, and I just think that would be an interesting, you know, provocation for the community,
is to potentially create some kind of
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Council Chambers: You know, application-based opportunity to spend some of our money on, like.
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Council Chambers: filling some of these sites with more art, you know? So that was just a thought that I had
that I figured I would just say verbally rather than email every one of them. We are gonna talk about all the
ideas, like, later on, too, so we'll circle back to it. No, that's fine, I'm just saying, we do have a manual we
prepared of all the sites in town that are art-ready.
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Council Chambers: There's a chunk of it, but we prioritize, like, the top 5, like, slam dunk ones or something
like that. So, did you get that document? Yeah, I do. Yeah, I think there's actually quite a few sites. I think
what's interesting, and, like, Steve King will come in October and talk about funds that have come over from
capital projects, and that has generally been the…
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Council Chambers: piece of information that allows stuff like that to happen. So it's like, oh, hey, we're
gonna get, you know, $30,000 next year from capital projects, and then a call from art is done, and, you
know, and that kind of thing. So there's sort of a relationship between having the funds to do it, and…
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Council Chambers: those calls going out, and those places being, you know, identified. Right.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, sorry.
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Council Chambers: So just saying, but we could also… there is… I mean, there's also the option of saying,
like, we want, you know, XYZ to happen in this one place, and going out and, you know, writing grants or
fundraising for it separately, right? Sure. I think it's another option that, like, PTAC could pursue.
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Council Chambers: Yep. Okay, that was sort of in line, but I was wondering, like, historically, how has… I
mean, I know some of how the public art has come to be, but is that something that…
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Council Chambers: That the Public Art Committee was talking about.
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Council Chambers: sort of that commission place, or just that? Yeah, I mean… Well, I mean, right now we
have… there is a commission going out, right, which is for the mural, the skate park mural, so that was, like,
you know…
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Council Chambers: So that's a grant that comes up every year for the Creative District, and like.
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Council Chambers: PTAC could… and the Creative District, you know, could work together to say, like, we
want another piece of public art, you know, in that boundary, and, like, let's write a grant to go out for it.
And there's also other funding sources that, you know, could be examined.
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Council Chambers: But generally, I think almost all of the art in the collection has either come through… no,
I'm gonna say it, all the art in the collection has either come through 1% funding, which is the capital
projects funding, or, donations by the artists who just… who've donated their work. Yeah. So, that's
historically how it's been done, but we would probably be able to do more, and it might be more…
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Council Chambers: And, you know, we'll be able to do more, and potentially do things that are, like.
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Council Chambers: bigger or more exciting if there was another layer of funding coming in from outside. I
mean, it is a whole other conversation, but I do like the idea of, like, maybe almost like a biennial project,
where you're commissioning a new
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Council Chambers: piece of art, and I say biennial, because annual might be overwhelming for small. To put
it on actually, like, you know, like, we propose some sort of cadence so that we actually manage to that.
Yeah. Yeah, and there might, you know, now that the 1% code has been updated, and there's some more
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Council Chambers: funding.
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Council Chambers: you know, should be coming through, I… hopefully… I mean, the whole idea behind that,
right, is a means of more public architect. Yeah. So, yeah.
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Council Chambers: Since we're still talking about public art, I just realized there's two… 1%, I just realized
there's a couple other things, so if we could jump around, it's like agenda Jazz. Did you see this late edition
on the agenda, this little thing? I did, the public comment. Yeah, that someone was concerned about.
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Council Chambers: A statute that says that, like, if you use public utility funds, they have… whatever artwork
has to…
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Council Chambers: Have a close nexus to the utility's primary purpose.
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Council Chambers: I would… I have not had a chance to look at that Google Scholar article. I will take a look
at it and figure out what that means. I mean, I don't know exactly what…
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Council Chambers: the… and since it wasn't attributed, I'm kind of curious, like, to who… but I mean, it's…
So it's a late edition that came in, it looks like it was sent in, April 20th.
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Council Chambers: But it just got put on our agenda, like.
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Council Chambers: I got an hour before the meeting. Anyway, it's probably not something we need to
discuss tonight, this evening, this afternoon. What time?
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Council Chambers: But this is interesting. The projects have to have a closed nexus
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Council Chambers: Yeah. With our new band. So I guess learning what that means. Would be the first step.
First step would be… Have your RV schematic. Running water, we got it. Okay, we got that. We're creative.
And then, is there a way to get just a quick update on what's going on with the skate park?
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Council Chambers: Right? We're just… the call is out. Okay. The call closes on the 25th. Yep. The call is out.
We've gotten a couple of proposals, I expect to get more in the next couple weeks. I have an artist come by
the help desk today and ask about
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Council Chambers: the proposal that… and I… I know, like, 3 or 4 more people that have at least said to me
that they're going to be applying. So things are brewing. Things are brewing, but yeah. No, it's… we're just…
just waiting, we're just, like, brewing. Anybody else hearing any of the chatter out there? Like… Oh, I… have
you heard anything? I rely on you guys. I rely on Katie. True, she's not a skater, but…
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Council Chambers: I've definitely heard some, like, some both sides of the fence push back a little bit,
because, like, I hang out with a lot of people that skate, and I know there is, like, some concern in the skate
community of, like.
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Council Chambers: What's it gonna look like? And…
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Council Chambers: you know, for the people that actually, like, skate there, like, regularly, like, for the whole
town, it's like, yay, we're making a big painting, but, like, who in this room goes and, like, skates there 3 or
4 times a week? Like, none of us. But, like, from people that I know that actually skate, there is a little bit of
concern about, like, what it's gonna look like. Also, like, you know, like, why is this… and this is the question
that I feel like the public's not gonna understand.
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Council Chambers: That, like, this was a grant that was applied for through the state, but you're not gonna,
like.
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Council Chambers: you're not gonna, like, make that make sense to a bunch of skaters who are like, why
don't you, like, make the lights better, or, like, improve the space? Like, we don't want, you know, a crazy
painting, we want you to just improve the site. So, like, there is, there's, like, what I've heard, like, out there
on the streets is it's not, like, all, like, let's go! It's kind of like, cool, like, why are we doing it?
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Council Chambers: It pretty much.
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Libby Wennstrom: Anytime Council… anytime there's, like, some money spent on public art, council gets an
earful about, like, oh, we can buy this painting, or we can make this sculpture, but we can't fix the potholes,
and it's, like, totally different money, but getting people to understand that can be hard.
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Council Chambers: That has historically happened. We used to have… I want to be careful how I say this.
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Council Chambers: It'd be nice to continue to have.
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Council Chambers: Really good relationship with the local press, because…
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Council Chambers: That is pretty accessible to folks with a new artwork that goes out, and… and then that
gets kind of cross-referenced through a lot of social media, so anything that really explicitly is, like.
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Council Chambers: this is a specific pool of money just for this one thing, it can't be moved, you know, like,
really put it clearly out there. I think that does help in the delivery. And the lack of that, then it's just all
kinds of rumors get started. And that came up in that first meeting that we had with them.
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Council Chambers: Yeah.
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Council Chambers: And I hope that, like, some of that… I mean, my understanding from my skate context is
that people have calmed down about that a little, like, it was definitely, you know, and also, I hope that if
you're hearing that, you want to tell people, like.
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Council Chambers: there's a bunch of opportunities for you to weigh in on what you want it to look like, like,
that's part of the process, and I feel like all the artists I know who are planning to
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Council Chambers: apply are all very sensitive to that, and, like, want to make something that, like.
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Council Chambers: people are psyched about, you know, and, like, have their voice heard in. Absolutely. I'd
recommend flowers and vegetables. What carrots? Carrots are good. Yeah, and I don't want to move us off
target, but just being on public art.
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Council Chambers: I remember a long time ago, there was a playground, I haven't heard updates on, like, a
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Council Chambers: an accessible playground was supposed to go in somewhere, and there was maybe an
opportunity for public art there. Are there any updates on that? Because I'm just, like… No, I have not heard
any updates on that. That's the escape, that's the playground that's supposed to go into the golf park.
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Council Chambers: There's a grant for it.
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Council Chambers: I think the grant is supposed to have about $1,500 in it for our… Okay. So what that
looks like is still…
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Council Chambers: It's… it's pretty far out from us. Okay, yeah, maybe grandkids will be graduating high
school by the time. And you said what? Accessible? Like, to… It's like the jump playground. It's supposed to
be, like, an accessible playground. Yeah. So yeah, it's at the… it's at the golf park. I think they're still, trying
to decide exactly the site and stuff like that. It's down there. Okay, I'm just curious. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: Doing anything. Okay, thank you.
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Council Chambers: Awesome. Yeah, all true. Everything everyone has said is true.
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Council Chambers: Okay, cool. So, we've talked about the rubric. Let's see, shall we discuss the art awards?
Oh, we have not talked about the rubric. Oh, yeah, we just barely pulled it out. Doug or Simon, either of you
would like to say anything about this before we talk about it? Yeah, let's…
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Council Chambers: I don't know what to say about it.
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Council Chambers: I think it's… a great starting point, and I think it'll make the process for, Dealing with
applications.
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Council Chambers: Better, smoother, and more fair.
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Council Chambers: But, you know, I think we should look at it and talk about it. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: move forward.
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Council Chambers: Let's look at it and talk about it. I'll say a little bit, which is just that, you know, these
categories came from, like, the sort of workshop that we all had together. Yeah, everyone's a good meeting
right now. So, yeah, well, we,
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Council Chambers: I, you know, talked through those in, the grants work group as well, like, trying to look at
them from a couple of different angles. And I put this together as just a total draft, like, Doug had some
feedback.
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Council Chambers: On it, which I feel like that it… yeah, like, which are… are noted as at the bottom, as
some of the discussion points, but before we get there, just really… yeah, so really quickly,
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Council Chambers: you know.
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Council Chambers: tried to look at, kind of, the top-tier things that felt like they were, like, the most
important to people, and also maybe the most broad. Like, for example, youth serving is, like, a little less…
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Council Chambers: high on… even though people felt really passionate about it, because there are going to
be projects that aren't serving that are still… have artistic merit, and what these other things that felt
important to the Commission. And then just trying to think… figure out, like, maybe ways to,
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Council Chambers: also prioritize some of the other things that felt like PTAC had the unique ability to serve,
you know, like, individual artists, small organizations, and then also this idea that bringing new art to the
community had, you know, good… what was a good thing to do. So,
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Council Chambers: I just tried to…
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Council Chambers: as we've done with all the rubrics that, like, PTAC has been looking at and creating over
the last year or so, which I, like, feel has been, like, very helpful in, like.
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Council Chambers: Alexis, shout out to Alexis, who's not here, like, that was very important to her, and I
think she really started this structure. But just trying to, you know, talk about what each of these things
actually means, so that you can look back at it and say, like, how do I score this? Oh, like, does it do this
stuff?
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Council Chambers: And then I added, I think.
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Council Chambers: somewhat, like, if we make this a public-facing document, I thought, like, this why is this
important idea might be nice for grantees to be able to interact with, like, why does CTAC care about this?
Oh, it's because, like, these are our priorities, like, beyond just, you know, the kind of bullet points.
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Council Chambers: So, so we got… we went through that, we talked about that, and then, you know, in the
back and forth afterwards, Doug had a couple questions, which was… were, like.
556
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Council Chambers: you know, do… would it make sense for individual artists and small organizations to be
thought of as more like one thing? Like, you know, should we simplify it, basically? Are some of these things
too granular, perhaps? I saw his note, and I had a… I had a thought about that, which is that if you took
that… those bottom categories of five points, and you just said.
557
01:23:06.980 --> 01:23:17.549
Council Chambers: This was a single category that you could get up to an additional 5 points in value,
because you're an individual artist, or a small organization, or you have something
558
01:23:17.740 --> 01:23:30.499
Council Chambers: you know, new or innovative that we want to give you a little extra bonus points for, and
that keeps it broad enough to apply in multiple situations. That was exactly my suggestion, too.
559
01:23:30.750 --> 01:23:32.740
Council Chambers: That, you know, rather than saying.
560
01:23:32.910 --> 01:23:52.160
Council Chambers: You know, are you an individual artist? Do you get points taken away for a group. Right,
so that's why I thought that would be just, like, a little bonus category for, for those things that are
sometimes on the market. And just for the sake of discussion.
561
01:23:52.160 --> 01:23:59.609
Council Chambers: You know, I also had the question about youth serving, which I do think is… Incredibly
important, but… Right.
562
01:23:59.930 --> 01:24:08.749
Council Chambers: is… If there's a project that targets 75-year-olds, does that get penalized by 15 points?
563
01:24:09.770 --> 01:24:20.050
Council Chambers: Yeah. Okay, discussion, discussion over. No, I, I, you know…
564
01:24:20.230 --> 01:24:29.340
Council Chambers: I hear what you're saying. I would say that, from experience I have in the radio station
side, that,
565
01:24:29.570 --> 01:24:45.409
Council Chambers: we need to engage more youth, and we don't need to engage more 75-year-olds, they're
very engaged, right? And so an opportunity to engage our community in art, if something is youth-serving, it
might reach a demographic that's not
566
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Council Chambers: as involved as they are today. So, not saying that any age group is unimportant. No,
yeah, that's fine. I guess it was just…
567
01:24:54.260 --> 01:25:06.040
Council Chambers: you know, how does the rubric function? And, you know, I worry that, you know, by
calling something out, we end up
568
01:25:06.780 --> 01:25:18.870
Council Chambers: hurting some projects, potentially. I also, just as a sideline, you know, we talked a lot
about diversity of voices, or underserved. Yeah. What was it, underserved? Yeah.
569
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Council Chambers: groups, and, you know, I did go looking for some kind of definition that would help.
570
01:25:27.200 --> 01:25:39.079
Council Chambers: there really isn't one. There's nothing out there that's really official. And I think it
depends, too, on the community. Some communities would be in different underserved
571
01:25:39.450 --> 01:25:41.520
Council Chambers: Compilation and another.
572
01:25:41.650 --> 01:25:53.269
Council Chambers: So perhaps to your point, the youth serving gets just a slightly lower value, and that
encourages new experience, new perspectives gets a slightly higher.
573
01:25:53.270 --> 01:26:07.440
Council Chambers: And again, that doesn't take away from the youth, because if that youth thing is probably
new perspectives, too. Sure, right, right? Yeah. Just a thought. I appreciate where Doug's coming from. I
see that
574
01:26:07.510 --> 01:26:11.920
Council Chambers: By giving extra points to some of these categories that it
575
01:26:12.780 --> 01:26:16.969
Council Chambers: One of them isn't, you know, seniors in particular, something that could be,
576
01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:24.219
Council Chambers: them being docked. But, you know, the rubric is a result of us doing the brainstorming
session, so it's really a product of our
577
01:26:24.530 --> 01:26:32.720
Council Chambers: Collective, personal emphasis on what our funding… where we want to see our funding
go.
578
01:26:32.990 --> 01:26:41.610
Council Chambers: So, this might be something we could revisit with that workshop, maybe on an annual
basis or something, to see if our values change, but this is a representative of our…
579
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Council Chambers: sort of workshop values, and I would also say it's like, so, like, you know, there could be
10 projects, and none of them could be youth-serving, and then it's going to be whatever, all those 10
projects are going to be in the same category, and then maybe only one or two are, and you're like.
580
01:26:55.450 --> 01:27:02.390
Council Chambers: okay, well, it's the priority of PTAC to support these projects as well as the rest. It doesn't
mean that… you know what I mean? Like, it doesn't…
581
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Council Chambers: Yeah. Eliminate people from…
582
01:27:04.660 --> 01:27:11.839
Council Chambers: competition or whatever. It just means that, like, the ones that have that particular
element, which I'm pretty sure everyone on the
583
01:27:12.250 --> 01:27:16.030
Council Chambers: Commission expressed, like, deep passion about.
584
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Council Chambers: like, are gonna rise to the top, so that's my viewpoint on that. Often seniors score higher
in the artists take merit category. Well, also, like, youth serving just means, you know, kids. It means, like,
you know, 20-year-olds are also gonna count. We're not… we shouldn't conflate non-use serving completely
with, like, the retired population. Right, right. There's a whole…
585
01:27:41.140 --> 01:27:51.170
Council Chambers: Jeez, Louise, we exist. So anyway…
586
01:27:51.170 --> 01:28:00.699
Council Chambers: There's, like, a lot, you know what I mean? It covers many. It covers much, so… Okay,
so if I make this change… oh, wait, I mean…
587
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Council Chambers: Do people want to keep discussing this? We just have other things that I feel like are
almost more important, so I'm curious about that. Do we need a motion to move forward with this, or just
sort of… I think it's just still in, like, draft form. I will make that… I'll make the change and bring it back. We
still have one more meeting before a grant meeting, so we can look at it again next time. Cool. Does that
make sense? Is that right? Oh, no, wait, yeah, what is it?
588
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Council Chambers: Was it May already? Next meeting is grants, never mind. Okay, we will… well, maybe we
should vote on it, then, if we want to use it to actually evaluate grants this time around. Yeah. So if someone
wanted to motion to make it
589
01:28:40.180 --> 01:28:45.659
Council Chambers: With the change to the, you know, three categories at the bottom, and then…
590
01:28:46.250 --> 01:28:54.679
Council Chambers: we can use it for this next round. Does it make sense? I would move, if that's acceptable
again, yes, to,
591
01:28:54.820 --> 01:28:58.810
Council Chambers: approve the… ART grant scoring rubric.
592
01:28:59.040 --> 01:29:08.560
Council Chambers: With the changes of combining the last three lines, as to one 5-point category, and,
593
01:29:08.720 --> 01:29:15.239
Council Chambers: Maybe reducing youth serving to 10 points, increasing
594
01:29:16.190 --> 01:29:20.500
Council Chambers: I'll go ahead and say New Experiences, New Perspectives by 5 points.
595
01:29:21.650 --> 01:29:22.890
Council Chambers: Do we have a second?
596
01:29:26.940 --> 01:29:32.169
Council Chambers: I'll second. Melanie seconds. Discussion phase, so…
597
01:29:32.480 --> 01:29:45.150
Council Chambers: Combining the bottom three to be a 5-point single category, reducing use serving to 10
points, and adding 5 points to, new experiences, new perspectives.
598
01:29:46.920 --> 01:29:54.780
Council Chambers: That's de-emphasizing an age group, and then emphasizing new things.
599
01:29:55.950 --> 01:29:59.209
Council Chambers: Which, there's been kind of a feeling about that.
600
01:29:59.720 --> 01:30:15.730
Council Chambers: the last few years, like, oh, these guys again, you know, you support them every year,
what else is new? No, I think we had that discussion in our last grants meeting. Any other thoughts in
discussion phase? We've got enough time.
601
01:30:20.370 --> 01:30:27.040
Council Chambers: Just procedurally, because if there's a… It's counterproposal, we can,
602
01:30:27.960 --> 01:30:40.130
Council Chambers: vote and let this motion die. It can be withdrawn. In a discussion phase, you… well, that
is the motion that's on there. It can be amended. Yeah. That's all explored in the discussion phase, so…
603
01:30:40.680 --> 01:30:43.340
Council Chambers: Everybody's clear on what the current proposal is?
604
01:30:43.820 --> 01:30:51.989
Council Chambers: 0.5… I think so. I guess my question would be, can…
605
01:30:52.190 --> 01:30:58.580
Council Chambers: Yeah, about, like, amending or bringing this forward if we… we want to workshop it
again, or…
606
01:31:00.020 --> 01:31:03.609
Council Chambers: I mean, I… I'm feeling awake.
607
01:31:03.610 --> 01:31:28.350
Council Chambers: But I'm also feeling like, wait, I'm not quite tracking what else? I don't know, that's my
main thing, is not that I have opposition to it, it's just… But we would use the proposed rubric for the next…
Yeah, the next one, and then we could kind of evaluate. I mean, and with that, with the rubric, my
understanding is that we use the rubric, but then also there's discussion still, and there's still the…
608
01:31:28.350 --> 01:31:32.819
Council Chambers: Like, how do we, you know… And I'm sorry, you're saying…
609
01:31:32.840 --> 01:31:39.109
Council Chambers: we'd use the amended rubric, or… Yeah, yeah, what you just proposed, right?
610
01:31:39.660 --> 01:32:01.190
Council Chambers: But then could we kind of, like, continue to evaluate moving forward? Yeah, just to be
clear, you're in agreement with the point structure, but just do it through this next session and then revisit?
Yeah, I guess I'm asking, is that an option? Can we approve something that can come back to the table? See
how everybody feels, and then Doug could maybe make a friendly amendment, but let's… let's see.
611
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Council Chambers: People think.
612
01:32:03.320 --> 01:32:14.820
Council Chambers: I would say, based on what you said earlier, when I first brought that change up, was
that, you know, this was something that came out of discussions we've already had. So there is a part of me
that says.
613
01:32:15.020 --> 01:32:23.280
Council Chambers: oh, we haven't even tried it before we're trying to change it, so maybe we try it with the
June round?
614
01:32:23.400 --> 01:32:36.920
Council Chambers: Original. The original one, and that also is almost like a beta test, where if during that
discussion, this doesn't work, we can have that agreement to make
615
01:32:37.260 --> 01:32:39.549
Council Chambers: A change that then would apply.
616
01:32:39.900 --> 01:32:46.589
Council Chambers: See, that's my discussion thought. Okay, so Christine is proposing we, let the motion…
617
01:32:47.140 --> 01:32:53.599
Council Chambers: fail or vote no, yeah, so we can keep it the way it is to try it out for one session. Anybody
else, any thoughts?
618
01:32:55.680 --> 01:32:56.970
Council Chambers: I'll second that.
619
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Council Chambers: We're in the middle of a motion, though, so yeah, don't second that yet. I will… my
opinion is,
620
01:33:06.660 --> 01:33:19.110
Council Chambers: this has been workshopped by the group and also the subgroup that's come up with
these numbers, so that gives a little more emphasis to me than this new idea, although I think the new idea
621
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Council Chambers: Might be something to consider, but I personally maybe… I think I'm leaning towards
letting this one ride for…
622
01:33:27.900 --> 01:33:33.220
Council Chambers: Since this is what the group decided already. But I'm only one vote on that.
623
01:33:33.390 --> 01:33:34.660
Council Chambers: So…
624
01:33:35.970 --> 01:33:44.900
Council Chambers: Should we call the question? So why don't we have a vote on Doug's proposal to reduce
youth serving to 10 combined? Do you have something? Well, let me…
625
01:33:45.630 --> 01:33:50.499
Council Chambers: amend my emotion with… yeah, I could do that, right? Yeah, yeah.
626
01:33:50.780 --> 01:33:52.070
Council Chambers: to just…
627
01:33:52.350 --> 01:34:01.890
Council Chambers: to simply combining the last three lines by points. Leave the other points alone, again, for
this next round.
628
01:34:02.630 --> 01:34:23.430
Council Chambers: Let's see what happens. That's… so that's the amendment, and meaning next round, you
mean through the next grant cycle, and then re-evaluate? Next meeting. Just putting words again. Yeah, no,
no, no, that's exactly… So is there a new second for this amended motion? For the amended motion. Okay,
everyone clear on what the numbers are? Thank you, Dad. Sure.
629
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Council Chambers: Alright, let's… let's vote on that one. So, combine the last three categories, leave
everything else.
630
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Council Chambers: through one cycle, then re-evaluate. All in favor?
631
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Council Chambers: Unanimous. Good work, everybody. Alright. Wait, thanks, guys. I didn't raise my hand. I
know, you didn't. You didn't? No. I thought you did. So any opposed? Does it have to be unanimous? Nope.
I thought it was. So, I'm sorry. Any opposed?
632
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Council Chambers: I don't… I don't see what is the point of that, of combining the last three. For simplicity,
is that… is that the reason? Like, why does it have to be simple?
633
01:35:01.910 --> 01:35:07.600
Council Chambers: Such a complexion, Simon, I love that question.
634
01:35:07.830 --> 01:35:13.439
Council Chambers: Again, my concern, and I think I might have phrased this at the meeting, is that if we…
635
01:35:14.040 --> 01:35:16.830
Council Chambers: call these out individually.
636
01:35:17.370 --> 01:35:18.639
Council Chambers: then it's,
637
01:35:19.700 --> 01:35:28.180
Council Chambers: And granted, 5 points, 2 points is pretty much irrelevant, but if we call them out
individually, Are we?
638
01:35:28.590 --> 01:35:34.780
Council Chambers: Advantaging or penalizing A project based off
639
01:35:35.190 --> 01:35:40.200
Council Chambers: Whether it's an individual or whether it's a small organization.
640
01:35:44.470 --> 01:35:46.649
Council Chambers: Why would we deal with you?
641
01:35:47.700 --> 01:35:52.910
Council Chambers: Because if it is a small organization, they're…
642
01:35:53.170 --> 01:35:59.990
Council Chambers: automatically precluded. Their two points are not available to them in the rubric.
643
01:36:00.470 --> 01:36:02.900
Council Chambers: Is that the intention of the rubric?
644
01:36:06.100 --> 01:36:10.889
Council Chambers: We're still giving… You know, this would still give…
645
01:36:11.100 --> 01:36:18.999
Council Chambers: Advantages to small groups, individuals, and, new and innovative projects.
646
01:36:21.880 --> 01:36:28.750
Council Chambers: Well, so, we did, have a vote, but I may not have gotten it correct, and then the…
647
01:36:28.860 --> 01:36:33.149
Council Chambers: Motion was to revisit this just… so it's just one grant cycle next month.
648
01:36:33.280 --> 01:36:44.000
Council Chambers: And then, definitely, this should be, like, kept alive, your thoughts on this, because we
can revisit the whole thing. Yeah. But, so, I can record your vote as a nay, or you can abstain.
649
01:36:44.450 --> 01:36:48.000
Council Chambers: Just… just as in May for now. Okay.
650
01:36:48.310 --> 01:36:56.640
Council Chambers: Yeah. Is this supposed to be public-facing before the next green round? That's what I
thought, was that we would make it public-facing so that… Do we already have applications?
651
01:36:56.770 --> 01:36:57.920
Council Chambers: You're a couple.
652
01:36:57.960 --> 01:37:17.159
Council Chambers: So this might be more like, maybe this will be something that you will use internally. Or
shouldn't the people that have already applied have seen that before? Right. Well, these are all priorities
that, like, PTAC already had, they've just never been articulated, right? This is… I still think it's important for
an applicant to have seen it before they apply.
653
01:37:17.610 --> 01:37:22.430
Council Chambers: Let me check and see how many applications we've gotten. I think we have, like,
maybe…
654
01:37:22.640 --> 01:37:29.800
Council Chambers: One, maybe two. Okay. So… We just offer them the opportunity to amend their
application.
655
01:37:30.180 --> 01:37:37.869
Council Chambers: things that they might want to add. A really good point. Yeah. We might just have one
right now, but yeah, I will… we can… we can… I can do that.
656
01:37:39.750 --> 01:37:56.929
Council Chambers: So, yeah, so Simon is the sole nay vote on that, but it passes, and I'm sorry if I moved
too fast and didn't get… I'm sorry, I have a point of clarification for editing this. Yeah. Is it going to be a
scale, 1 to 5, the same way the other ones are? So you can…
657
01:37:57.280 --> 01:38:07.399
Council Chambers: That was my intention. Scale 1 to 5. Okay. Those three items are the criteria. Okay, got
it.
658
01:38:08.770 --> 01:38:12.910
Council Chambers: I won't get into that. All right, you got 20 minutes?
659
01:38:13.600 --> 01:38:14.210
Council Chambers: Funky.
660
01:38:15.790 --> 01:38:18.160
Council Chambers: Looks like, Art Awards.
661
01:38:18.440 --> 01:38:32.719
Council Chambers: Art of Woods, so I put in the 2026 plan here because we need to start preparing for
2027. We don't need to go over the whole plan, I just thought it was good informationally. We had talked
about… the Commission had talked about launching
662
01:38:32.720 --> 01:38:40.519
Council Chambers: nominations in June of this year, so it was, like, 6… open for 6 months instead of
however many it was open for last year.
663
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Council Chambers: And so, the question I have is the… are there people who would like to, serve on an arts
award work group so we can start getting that into the world? Who wouldn't? So we can work on that.
We've done it now before, so it probably will be a little smoother than it was last year. We figured a lot of
stuff out, thanks to Sheena, Joshua, and Alexis.
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Council Chambers: And so it'll… some of it'll be more… a lot more plug-and-play, but it is, you know, it would
be, I think putting together a workgroup to launch the project would be cool, so… You familiar with our art
awards? No, that's what I was just gonna ask. It's a party. It's a party? One night of recognizing…
665
01:39:19.260 --> 01:39:34.310
Council Chambers: art pioneers in our community. Not necessarily artists that have, done public works,
maybe? No, it's people who are nominated by the public for various things, so I think our last round of
winners included
666
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Council Chambers: Genevieve Barlow, who's the artistic director at Salt Fire, or, the gentleman who's the
Daniel, who's the director of Timucum Band, who's going to DC this summer. So it was a bit varied. We kind
of…
667
01:39:50.270 --> 01:39:59.450
Council Chambers: For, like, 5 or 6 awards. Yeah, once we had our, kind of, winners, we looked at other
types of art awards and gave them appropriate awards.
668
01:39:59.820 --> 01:40:06.219
Council Chambers: that really fit what they do within our… And did you say the public nominates? Yep.
669
01:40:06.360 --> 01:40:17.340
Council Chambers: And then we chose them, and then Christine MC'd, and we had spaghetti. It was fun. And
danced, yeah. This is all part of the theater? Yeah.
670
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Council Chambers: And then Daniel Furland? Yep. There were a few others. Murals at Memorial Field, and…
Who was? Oh, it was, Youth Theater Alex Osh… Oh, Martha Worthley. Yeah, it was the first year we've done
it. We used to do a book called Angel of the
671
01:40:42.170 --> 01:40:55.870
Council Chambers: Arts and patron of the Arts. Those two, this is the new and improved art awards all time.
Anyway, great way to get your feet wet if you're interested in joining a subcommittee. But anyway, back to
your,
672
01:40:55.870 --> 01:41:11.599
Council Chambers: Solicitation. Yeah, any takers? Got her pen and paper out. Yeah. Yeah, I would too. Okay,
cool. It could be up to four, because after that it's a quorum, it makes it hard to have meetings. True.
673
01:41:12.370 --> 01:41:19.930
Council Chambers: Doug, was that it… were you raising your hand? Yes, if that's appropriate. Totally. I was
pushing his elbow. That sounds great!
674
01:41:20.370 --> 01:41:23.090
Council Chambers: Alright, we'll find the time to meet. Good work. And start working on it.
675
01:41:23.640 --> 01:41:24.760
Council Chambers: And we'll bring it back.
676
01:41:25.220 --> 01:41:28.569
Council Chambers: the Commission, once we make some decisions. Who doesn't make sense? Yeah.
677
01:41:30.550 --> 01:41:32.130
Council Chambers: Fun.
678
01:41:33.350 --> 01:41:34.600
Council Chambers: Alright.
679
01:41:35.060 --> 01:41:44.779
Council Chambers: Now, guys… It's how they hook you, is my first initial act as a commissioner. I keep
waiting for you, Katie, you're waiting for me.
680
01:41:45.630 --> 01:41:51.819
Council Chambers: Part of awards, work plan discussion, yes. There we go. So,
681
01:41:52.190 --> 01:41:55.640
Council Chambers: We've said before that we were going to talk to this…
682
01:41:55.910 --> 01:42:07.870
Council Chambers: meeting about planning for next year, and we kind of already started that discussion,
which is awesome. So I put together one of my famous PowerPoints for you guys.
683
01:42:07.960 --> 01:42:16.450
Council Chambers: I'm gonna go through the 26 work plans super quick, just so we can have a little bit of
time for discussion. Basically, the work plan,
684
01:42:17.120 --> 01:42:22.870
Council Chambers: it kind of changes every year, is my understanding in the city, though I've only done it
once, so we keep sort of refining the process.
685
01:42:22.870 --> 01:42:37.849
Council Chambers: But essentially, all the, advisory bodies have, like, a work plan every year, and they pick,
sort of, some top priorities that they want to try to make sure, like, make it up to the council level, right?
Because as an advisory body of council, ultimately, that's what's happening, is you're…
686
01:42:38.050 --> 01:42:42.049
Council Chambers: picking priorities and making sure they're part of the Council's priorities.
687
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Council Chambers: So this year, it was about…
688
01:42:46.050 --> 01:42:51.220
Council Chambers: The 1% for the art program, which, you know, got updated and moved forward.
689
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Council Chambers: It was about the public art plan and maintenance and, sort of some of the stuff that
Joshua already touched on, and then the last one is a little bit of a catch-all. We're like, keep doing PTAC
programs, right? And then advance those.
690
01:43:06.270 --> 01:43:17.540
Council Chambers: And I would say that you guys should give yourselves a pat on the back, because I think
all of these things have done… been done quite successfully. This… this one, so I just pulled them each out,
right? So basically.
691
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Council Chambers: The first bullet point
692
01:43:20.740 --> 01:43:36.540
Council Chambers: progress to date is that the new 1% for the Arts Code is in place and is working as
intended. Again, in October, Steve will come, but there's, like, a bunch of projects that are, like, now… like,
there's quite a bit of funding coming through that program, if everything goes as it should, which is very
cool.
693
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Council Chambers: You know, the next step is looking at that art in public places policies and procedures,
which is under review right now, and making sure that that fits the desires of, like, you know, how to make
these things happen in our community in the way that feels like they're aligned with the values and the goals
of public art.
694
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Council Chambers: And then this mural stuff, which is also under advisement right now.
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Council Chambers: Next step, Steve will come tell us about, sort of, funds and our options for new public art
projects.
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Council Chambers: And that will bring the public art, the updated, public art policy to Council, which will be…
that'll be kind of, like, the next actual big step for this, because that, you know, document was approved in
2007, and there's room for it to be, I think, more streamlined, and to make more room for things to happen.
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Council Chambers: In terms of protecting and expanding our… the portions of investment in public art,
again, the new code, this public art maintenance guide and annual procedures are, like, exist now and sort
of in a test phase, right? Seeing how that thing that I presented today will work.
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Council Chambers: In terms of, like, parks taking that stuff on, and learning how to do it, and having the
support to do it, and the resources to do it, and that hasn't been the case in the past, so that's, like, pretty
significant, honestly.
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Council Chambers: And then our first commission in the city since 2014 with the skate park murals. So those
are all, like, pretty significant things I think are ongoing and happening.
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Council Chambers: Next steps are there's some, like, other city-owned artworks that aren't officially part of
the collection, like the art markers, but also some other pieces of public art. There's, like, these poems, and
there's just sort of stuff floating out there, and looking at that and figuring out what to accession so that we
can maintain it and care for it, and know that it's there.
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Council Chambers: the idea… there's this idea that, like, there's a bunch of works that don't have plaques on
them, like the Kaitai tiles, and the boundary market for Puget Sound, and having a standard procedure for
that, so that we can just have, like.
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Council Chambers: People can know what the artwork is, and who made it, and, like, when it was made, and
all that kind of stuff.
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Council Chambers: And then there's the annual review of the art plan, which will be coming up in November.
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Council Chambers: Finally, sort of the overall programs that were priorities for PTAC this year, progress to
date, the 2026 budget, I believe, is the largest Arts Commission budget ever, which is pretty exciting.
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Council Chambers: these grant processes that we've been talking about feel like they're really going in the
right direction, right? So things to, be a little more streamlined, feel a little bit more equitable, all of the good
stuff.
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Council Chambers: the new art award format that we just discussed with Dana a little bit, I think, was very
successful, and most people felt… seemed like they felt really good about that, and I think that that's, you
know.
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Council Chambers: A testament to, like, the innovation and forward thinking of the Commission, to be, like,
changing those things and having them, you know, grow with the times. And then the Poet Laureate went
from a pilot program to a permanent program this year, which is, I think, also very cool, and, like, a pretty
big accomplishment.
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Council Chambers: Next steps, Pete… I put this idea that the PTAC… that PTAC will review the Creative
District Arts and Culture Plan. I think it would be great for us all to go over that together and really link up
those things that are in that plan with PTAC's work more closely, so instead of kind of, like, operating side by
side, we're, like, operating more
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Council Chambers: It's operating more as, like, a… You know, big city art.
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Council Chambers: Collective that's pushing the same goals.
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Council Chambers: And we're doing this right now, thinking about 2027.
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Council Chambers: So…
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Council Chambers: really quickly, this is just, I think, an important way to think about priorities, because,
like, what you spend money on is what gets done often, and, like, shows where your priorities are. So right
now, you can see, like, that this is our budget for the year, kind of broken down really simply, right? The art
awards money, I think it's worth
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Council Chambers: mentioning that's basically, like, two years of funding in a certain way, right? Because
you, like, it takes care of the event this year, and then the launch of next year, and then the making of the
awards for next year, and the promotion for next year. Which is why there's money left. Yeah, exactly, right.
So, like, because all those things have to happen this year in order to be prepared for next year. Like,
nominations close in December and blah blah, right? Right. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: the Paul Laureate, you know, funds, I would say that, like.
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Council Chambers: something to consider is that, like, Rafina's been doing programming at, like, a very rapid
clip, more rapid than our previous laureate, so there's, like, possibilities that that might be a number to look
at. I mean, I think it's also notable, and this is what happened when I came here as well, is that the public
art budget has been zero, you know, which is, like, interesting.
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Council Chambers: And maybe also, like, maybe it's because, like, what do we mean by a public art budget?
What does that money even go to? But thinking about, like.
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Council Chambers: You know, like, how do… what is… what… what…
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Council Chambers: what might that say about, you know, the Commission's investment in public art if it's a
zero-budget item, and how might that want to change or not?
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Council Chambers: So… We've already talked about a couple of things.
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Council Chambers: of, ideas for 2027.
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Council Chambers: And I… I… I've heard others, like, out in the world. Melanie sent some in, which I've had
in a different version of this. I'm sorry, they didn't make it into the packet. And then, you know, Joshua just
talked about… brought up this idea of sort of, like, more of a…
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Council Chambers: faster cadence for public art and making some decisions about that. I think those are
really great. I think that's a great idea. I know Doug has had some dreams. And so, in our last 10 minutes, I
thought maybe we could just kind of hash out some stuff that's like, yeah, let's not forget about this. Let's,
like, keep thinking about this while we build. Because, July is usually when
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Council Chambers: We have to tell the city what we want money for, and what we can do for next year. Can
I ask a point of order question? So the, the skate park mural, you know, talked about that being their first
public art project.
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Council Chambers: Is it something that, you know, I know it's all, like, a paper entry kind of thing, but is it
something we want to show that that is part of…
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Council Chambers: the budget, even though there's money coming in from the grant program and not from
city budget. I just… I don't know enough about how this budget process works in relation to source of funds,
right? Right, totally.
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Council Chambers: Yeah. Because that would be something, like, showing it in there, again, as you say what
you show is where you put everything. Right, right, right. I get what you're saying.
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Council Chambers: So, in that respect. Does it go through the city books? It goes… then would be allocated
to our municipal art fund? Yeah, it goes into… yeah, right, which right now, the Municipal Art Fund sits, like,
next to the budget, right? So yeah, and, like, I just wrote that down, like, is there a way to kind of represent
the 1% for art within the PTAC budget? It wouldn't be, like, money you could spend, but it maybe is money
you want to know about, you know, kind of thing.
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Council Chambers: I got my question about the skate park grant, I mean…
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Council Chambers: Was PTAC involved in that, or…
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Council Chambers: not involved in the grant process, but is involved in the call. Okay, okay. Which, I guess,
is free on some level. No, that's another question that I have, because I wasn't here for that. Is there…
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Council Chambers: a process where the Commission does apply for
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Council Chambers: Go ahead. I just, I know where you're going. So yeah, that was a big discussion for a
while, and that's the beauty of the Creative District blending with us now, is that they are in a position to
seek out grant money where the commission was limited in that role, but we steward the calls. Okay, so
we're never the ones actually doing it, but…
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Council Chambers: We're doing it in… there's some… it's… Happening in conjunction.
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Council Chambers: Well, I mean, this one was, like, again, like, this one was, like, a little unique, right?
Because it was this Creative District grant, which has not come into the city prior, right? And, like, you know,
it was applied for, like, under the Community Services Department as a grant for this particular project as
part of the Creative District.
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Council Chambers: Generally, what has happened in the past, like, what… where you would see a number
there, right, would be that, like, they'd be like, oh, we just built a new…
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Council Chambers: parking lot, or whatever, like, yeah, now there's… Yeah, now there's, like, $5,000 in the
public art budget. What do you guys… what… what are we gonna do with it? And then you know, that's
where that money would come from. But there hasn't been…
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Council Chambers: funds moving through that process for a long time. Okay.
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Council Chambers: But that's what's coming up. But there should be coming up.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, but, like, it don't…
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Council Chambers: I'll have to, like, find out the specific thing. The money doesn't, I don't think, technically,
like, go into the PTAC budget, you know what I mean? It just… but it's there to be spent on public art
projects. Earmarked. Yeah, earmarked, yeah. Does it… so does anybody else have…
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Council Chambers: like, who else has access to that? I mean, does the Creative District have access? Or, like,
does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, it sits in the… it sits in the also newly created
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Council Chambers: probably should have put that as an accomplishment or whatever. It also sits in, like, the
newly created, municipal Arts Fund, which is set aside under code specifically for, like, arts programming,
but that doesn't mean that it's only pre-tax funding, yeah. It, like, can be used across the city for arts
programming, as the city chooses to use it. Okay, does that… right? Yeah, yeah. Different than the PTAC
budget.
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Council Chambers: Right, but it interacts with it. Right, okay, great.
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Council Chambers: So, money questions, for sure. Yeah, yeah. So, on the money question, I have a money
question. So, I know what the grantee videos are, but my question is, what is the value of those? You know,
they have a fairly significant budget.
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Council Chambers: And so that's just what my… my question is, is there valued back to the city in producing
those, or are they, like, a gift we're giving to the grantees, in which case, perhaps there's a…
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Council Chambers: reallocation of certain monies.
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Council Chambers: Thank you.
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Council Chambers: I don't… I don't know what value add they are. They might be…
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Council Chambers: phenomenal value adds. I'm not saying they're not. It seems like we had a discussion, or
at least mentioned that a while back.
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Council Chambers: And there was talk about maybe putting them on the website. I may be making this up. I
mean, since we just revised some of the website, are there more of them there? So they exist right now.
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Council Chambers: 9 of them or something, right, from last year. There aren't any from this year yet, there
won't be till the end of the year. And they're up on the city's website, and they've been, you know.
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Council Chambers: They've also been, you know, the grantees themselves have access to them to use for
their own purposes, for promotion, or put on their own website, and stuff like that. And they're nice, they're
really, they're nice videos. Do we have to make them, like, for every grantee forever? I don't know. But, you
know, like, it's not super necessary.
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Council Chambers: But, you know, I think they're most of their value as, like, an archive for the projects, and
they show, sort of, like, the breadth of different things that they're, like, that PTAC is supporting, right? And
so, like.
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Council Chambers: if there was a story to be told at some point about that, like, they would be valuable in
that sense. And then they can also be used just in general promotions for the city about, like.
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Council Chambers: Fort Townsend School and Artsy, come check it out. Great. So… Those are… those are…
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Council Chambers: Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, and I… I mean, I have… I don't just… I have a similar
question about it, like, is this a program that needs to last forever? Is this a program that, like, people
actually want?
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Council Chambers: you know, it might be something where we want to pull some… some Google statistics on
how often the videos get accessed and things like that, that could tell us, do we want to reduce a little of
that, use some marketing budget for it, and move some of that to public art, or those kinds of things? Yeah,
totally. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: N4 could be included, like, kind of like the…
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Council Chambers: the questions about why we're putting a mural at the skate park rather than fixing
something up, changing the skate park how they wanted. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: Plan, execute, evaluate, start over.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, we're kind of a little bit out of time, which is sort of, like, which is fine, because we
can revisit this, like, later in the year, you know what I mean? This meeting, obviously, we had things that
came up on the agenda that were pretty meaty. Remind everybody again about the task for ideas.
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Council Chambers: You can send those in. Yeah, so, like, you know, unfortunately, like, honestly, like, this
would have been a great discussion to have in June, but it's a… since the grant review meetings usually take
up the whole time.
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Council Chambers: So, we'll probably just want to keep chewing on this stuff and talk about it in July again.
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Council Chambers: I think there's some cool ideas on the table, like…
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Council Chambers: I think the emphasis on public art is really appropriate. It makes a lot of sense. I can… I
can also make a little summary of some of this information, include, like, the stuff that Melanie sent along.
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Council Chambers: And stuff like that before July, so we can… people can keep thinking about things that
they might want to see happen, you know, next year, and how to… how to make those happen.
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Council Chambers: I…
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Council Chambers: will just say that from my standpoint, a staff standpoint, I think that, like, rolling forward
with the programs that are, like, have
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Council Chambers: you know, recently come online, I myself have only come online one year ago, you
know? Like, and building on those, as opposed to adding a lot of new initiatives, like, would possibly
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Council Chambers: be a good idea, but if there are things that, like, the Commission's really passionate
about, like, no, we want to see this start happening, like, we'll make it happen, you know what I mean? But
many things already fit into those buckets, like.
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Council Chambers: Doing public efforts already there, you know, but just, like, thinking about how… how
to… how to,
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Council Chambers: how to grow the things… the seeds we've already planted, right? I think is a good… it
might be a nice… So, I think that homework assignment's in our inboxes that we sent out, so if everyone
wants to revisit that, between now and
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Council Chambers: June, that'd be great. I know we're not gonna have much of a chance to talk about it
next month. Yeah. So that once we hit July, we'll have that in there. Any new ideas, I think, rolling forward
with what we've… Yeah.
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Council Chambers: itten off and move forward with that is a good idea. Yeah. I think that…
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Council Chambers: That's about it. Yeah, that's about it. We'll come back with… Look at this, we are finishing
on time. I really personally want to thank everybody for being here. We've got a full house. Heidi, if you're
watching this, we just want to encourage you to show up with the newborn. We love babies! We can do it!
Almost a full house. It's really thrilling to see everyone here, and our whole community participant audience.
Oh, wait, where'd they all go?
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Council Chambers: I have to make this more riveting next time. And oh, and Doug, our new chair, will be
handling the gavel next month. Good job. So, and thanks, Alyssa, and I, officially…
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Council Chambers: Declare us adjourned. Thanks, Katie.