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Port Townsend Art Commission Meeting Agenda
December 4, 2025, | 3:00 p.m. | In-person and Remote Meeting
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A.Call to Order
B.Roll Call
C.Approval of Agenda
D.Approval of Minutes: November 6, 2025
E.Public Comment (3 minutes per person)
F.Committee Business
a.Chair Update (5 mins)
i.Appreciation party after meeting!
ii.Year-end reflection
b.Treasurer Update (10 mins)
i.2025 budget status (see 2025 budget document)
ii.2026 budget (see 2026 budget document)
iii.Looking for a commissioner to take this role in 2026!
c.Staff Update (10 mins)
i.Creative District grant submitted
ii.Workplan updates and 2026 meeting schedule (see documents)
iii.Soundcheck update (see document)
d.Workgroup updates
i.Art Awards
1.Continue pushing for nominations – what one specific action will
you take as a commissioner to engage your network?
ii.Public Art
1.Maintenance Kit Update
2.Street Painting and Mural Policies (see documents)
iii.Grants
1.2025 review (see document)
2.Commissioner Application Policy (see document)
G.Correspondence
H.Set Agenda for Next Meeting
I.Next Scheduled Meeting January 15, 2025
J.ArtsCommissionendoftheyearcelebration. A quorummaybepresent,butno
action will be taken.
K.Adjourn
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In compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act, those requiring accommodation for this meeting
should notify the City Clerk’s Office at least 24 hours prior to the meeting at (360) 379-5083.
DRAFT
Minutes of the Port Townsend Regular Session Arts Commission Meeting of November 6, 2025
LOCATION: In-person at City Council Chambers and Remote
MEMBERS’ PRESENT: Alexis Arrabito, Joshua Saunders, Sheena Uritz, Melanie Muszynski, Simon Lynge, Heidi Tullmann and Dan
Groussman.
STAFF PRESENT: Arts & Culture Coordinator Katy Goodman, and Deputy City Clerk Lonnie Mickle
Board Liaison: Ben Thomas
Community Members: 2026 Poet Laureate Rufina C. Garay
Topic Motions/Recommendation/Action
Call to Order Chair Alexis Arrabito called the meeting to order at 3:02 pm.
Approval of Agenda Joshua Saunders moved to approve the agenda. Heidi
Tullmann seconded. Motion passed unanimously.
Approval of Minutes for October 2, 2025 Joshua Saunders moved to accept the minutes. Heidi
Tullmannseconded. Motion passed unanimously.
Public Comment None
Chair Update Chair Alexis Arrabito welcomed the new Commissioner,
Melanie Muszynski, to the Public Art Commission. She also
mentioned Commissioner Joe Gillard resignation after five
years of working with the Commission.
Treasure Update Katy Goodman gave an update on the budget. She
mentioned the amount for the Arts Award.
Staff Update Katy Goodman gave an update to the City Council’s
approval of the 1% code changes and the Poet Laureate
ongoing program. She also mentioned the Arts Awards
happening at Soundcheck, the Adam Street Park lights, and
a grant opportunity for the city.
Poet Laureate Visit and Discussion
The new 2026 - 2028 Port Townsend Poet Laureate, Rufina
C.Garay introduced herself to the Commissioners. She
discussed her artistic history and several ideas for the future
of the program such as attending City Council meetings,
work with the Port Townsend Soundcheck Art Festival, and
read a poem to the Commissioners.
Workgroup updates Art Awards
Discussion ensued about the Art Awards nominations, the
nomination process, community engagement, Tori Power,
Topic Motions/Recommendation/Action DRAFT
the art award creator, and the awards being held at the
Soundcheck event in February.
Public Art
The Commissioners discussed materials for the Boundary
Markers re-sitting for the Parks department, maintenance
plans for each public art piece, and the future of different art
pieces.
The Commissioners also spoke about the city’s Art Markers,
public engagement with the Art Markers, educational
outreach, grants and the future of grant funding and the End
of the year party in December. Commissioner Dan
Groussman motioned to have grant funding happen in
March, using 45% of the total grant funds, June, using 30%
of the total grant funds and September, using 25% of the
total grant funds. Joshua Saunders seconded. Motion
passed unanimously.
Correspondence None
Set Agenda for Next Meeting Business Meeting.
Next Scheduled Meeting December 4, 2025.
Adjourn This meeting adjourned at 5:00 pm
City PTAC Budget 2025 25-Nov-25
ItemBudgetActual8/12/2026RemainingNOTES
REVENUE
Allocation$ 36,500.00$ 33,500.00General Fund Approved by City Council Dec 2 '24
Grants$ -$ -
EXPENSES
Programs
$9,000 for four rounds
Grants to Artists $ 30,000.00 $ 27,000.00 $ 27,000.00 $ -
Stipend for year 2, would receive support from other
Poet Laureate $ 1,200.00 $ 1,500.00 $ 1,500.00 $ - agencies for special projects
$200 pp jury for years 3-4 PL program
$ 600.00 $ 300.00 $ 300.00 $ -
TBD
Public Art $ - $ -
TBD
1% for Public Art $ - $ -
Award fabrication
Mayor's Arts Awards $ 1,500.00 $ 1,500.00 $ 1,500.00 $ -
$ -
3 leader ads - 1 poet laureate, 2 art awards
Marketing $ 1,200.00 $ 1,200.00 $ 1,890.00 $ (690.00)
TBD
Print / Web Publication $ 1,000.00 $ 900.00 $ 900.00
$ -
Creative Assets $ -
Building assets for program representation for 2025
Photo/Video $ 1,000.00 $ 1,000.00 $ - $ 1,000.00 website refresh
Application Software$ 100.00 $ 100.00 $ - Fillout
$ -
TOTAL$ 36,500.00$ 33,500.00$ 32,290.00 $ 1,210.00
REMAINING$ -$ -
Approved City PTAC Budget 2026
ItemBudgetActual2026 RequestNOTES
REVENUE
Allocation$ 36,500.00$ 33,500.00$ 48,800.00
Grants$ -$ -
EXPENSES
Programs
$10,000 for three rounds
Grants to Artists $ 30,000.00 $ 27,000.00 $ 30,000.00
Stipend for year 1
Poet Laureate $ 1,200.00 $ 1,200.00 $ 1,500.00
For poet laureate program projects
$ 600.00 $ 600.00 $ 2,000.00
TBD
Public Art $ -
TBD
1% for Public Art $ -
Event plus $1000x6 for awardees
Mayor's Arts Awards $ 1,500.00 $ 1,500.00 $ 7,500.00
TBD
$ 1,200.00 $ 1,200.00 $ 1,200.00
Marketing
TBD
Print / Web Publication $ 1,000.00 $ 900.00
Creative Assets
Photo/Video $ 1,000.00 $ 1,000.00 $ 6,500.00 Grantee videos for artist and city use
Application Software$ 100.00$ 100.00Fillout
TOTAL$ 36,500.00$ 33,500.00$ 48,800.00
REMAINING$ -$ -
2026 Workplan Port Townsend Arts Commission
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PTAC 2026 Workplan
- Enact next steps to update the1% for Art program and City code, so that this
mechanism can be truly effective in funding public art projects year over year,
establishing PT as a city where public art thrives and can be enjoyed by all.
- Protect and expand -enriching public art now
and into the future. Use the 2025 Public Art plan to support maintenance, enhancement,
and promotion of
- Continue and grow our programs, including but not
limited to, the Poet Laureate initiative, Arts Awards, and Grants, as well as leveraging new
resources and partnerships to make measurable progress towards goals set forth in the
Port Townsend Creative District Arts & Culture Plan.
City of Port Townsend Arts Commission (PTAC)
2026 Meeting Schedule - Proposed
City of Port Townsend Arts Commission Mission Statement
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Overview
This document is a flexible summary of the annual approach to PTAC meetings in 2026 and the
st
development of the PTAC budget. PTAC meets on 1 Thursdays, from 3:00-5:00PM. The development of
the PTAC budget is part of the development of the City of Port Townsend budget, and resides in the
General Fund, with contributions as approved by City Council each year. This process begins nearly six
months before the start of the subsequent year and includes state-mandated statutory milestones and
deadlines.
1. January Program Planning Part 1: 2026 Grant Criteria & Art Awards
Discussion of grant program specifics, including application, criteria, and any marketing or public
education opportunities.
2. February Program Planning Part 2: Annual Arts Awards and Public Art
Confirm Art Award winners and plans for ceremony. Discuss revisions/updates to Public Art Plan
Policies and Procedures.
3. March Quarterly Grant Funding; Launch 2027 Art Award Nominations
4. April Poet Laureate Visit and Mural Policy
Visit and update with Poet Laureate. Mural policy updates and review.
5. May Workplan Strategic Session
PTAC receives request from Mayor/City Manager to PTAC (and all City advisory boards) for
workplan items and preliminary budget request. PTAC reviews progress on the 2025 workplan,
strategizes on multi-year initiatives and the 2026 workplan, and considers priorities for next
fiscal year in order to suggest a preliminary PTAC workplan.
6. June Quarterly Grant Funding
7. July Mid Year Review and Budget Strategic Session
PTAC discusses all 2026 programs and makes mid-year assessments. Discussion on budget to
pair with workplan and submits a recommendation to staff and City Council in advance of a
decision on the preliminary City budget. (City Council may choose to approve/incorporate or
may send the recommendation back to PTAC for further discussion).
8. August PTAC Operations and Development
Review internal processes, brand identity, recruitment, etc; Refresh on OPMA
Rules
9. September Quarterly Grant Funding
10. October Poet Laureate Visit, Art Awards and 2027 Grant Planning
Visit and update with Poet Laureate. Art Award nominations status and planning for 2027
Ceremony; 2027 grant deadlines and updates to grants program
11. November 1% for the Arts and Public Art Plan Review
Invitation to Public Works Director to discuss possible 1% eligible projects in Capital Facilities
Plan. Annual review of Public Art Plan.
12. December Annual Review. PTAC reviews the 2026 workplan, reviews 2026 granting data and
budget expenditures, plans annual meeting schedule, and ties up loose ends in discussion.
Board and Commission Priorities 2026 - Policy Recommendations to Council:
1. Artistic Mural code recommendation to Council
2. Update of Art in Public Places Policies and Procedures recommendation to Council
3. 1% for the Arts status update and possible projects
Port Townsend Soundcheck 2026
Art and Music for Everyone
Overview
Soundcheck was launched in 2019 as a showcase for local musicians in conjunction with the
inaugural THING festival. Since then, it has grown to include a multitude of new art and music
events and partnerships. With THING no longer happening in Port Townsend, the festival is being
reimagined as a latewinter event that highlights the creativespirit that definesour community.
Art and Music for Everyone
The Port Townsend Creative District
Department, is the main organizer for Soundcheck 2026. A small committee of local artists is
helping shape the event along with numerous creative and community partners. As a festival for a
darker and slower time of year, we seek to fostera mix of excitement and reflection, and of hands-
on making, human connection, and appreciation of the arts. The weekend will include workshops,
presentations, and performances at a variety of venues that show a breadth of artistic production
and ideation in the local creative community.
Guiding principles:
Soundcheck celebrates local artists and gives the community broad insight into the
breadth of creative practice in the community
Soundcheck is designed for all ages to enjoy together and integrates youth projects into
programming to support this goal
Soundcheck is a participatoryevent. Programming offers the chance to engage in or have
access to the creative process
Soundcheck isfocused on providing artists with support and resources with the goal of
creating a generative experience that makes the community stronger
Soundcheck integrates a wide variety of disciplines including visual arts, performing arts,
makers arts, film and new media, culinary arts, and literary arts
Soundcheck attracts visitors in the off season to help connect artists and audiences
Presenters
We will open a call for artists who would like to do workshops or presentations during
Soundcheck. The committee will review proposals and choose workshops that fit the needs and
budget of the event. Stipends and materials will be funded, and a fee schedule provided.
Tentative Schedule of Activities
Friday
Location: Jefferson County Fairgrounds
Port Townsend Art Awards Ceremony, 5:00pm-6:30pm with Port Townsend Arts Commission
Community Spaghetti Dinner and Dessert Cook-off, 6:30-10:00 with the Community Kitchen
Bonfire, 6:30-10:00 with The Production Alliance
Dance Party 7:00-11:00 with Salish Sound
Saturday
Location: Downtown PT
Community Mural, 1:00-5:00 with Park Avenue Studios (Cotton Building)
Hands-on Art Activities 1:00-5:00 (Cotton Building)
Music & Performances 1:00-5:00 (City Council Chambers)
PT High School Food Truck, 1:00-5:00 (Pope Marine Park)
Tea House Discussion & Drawing Salon, 1:00-5:00 (Velocity)
All Day Happy Hour 12:00-?? (Various Restaurants)
Local Band Concert, 5:00-11:00 - with Port Townsend Original Music Society featuring Cold
Comfort, Brother Townsend, Marco Marco and high school bands
Sunday
Location: Fort Worden
Pancake Breakfast & Community Reads Kick Off 9:00-11:00 with Planted and PT Public Library
Hands-on Workshops 11:00-3:00
- Fiber Arts with Fiber Arts Guild
- Pop-up Makerspace with Michelle Hagewood
- Poetry Workshop with PT Poet Laureate Rufina C. Garay
- Northwind Art Workshop with Leila Block
- Other Workshops TBD
All Weekend
Live Art News with the Beacon
Street Painting Permitting and Approval Process
Prepared by the Port Townsend Arts Commission Public Art Committee
November 2025
Overview
Port Townsend City Council approved PTMC Chapter 12.11 in 2021 to provide guidelines for
community street painting. Section 12.11.030 Street Painting Permit Approval states:
The public works director (or designee) will, in consultation with the arts
commission, develop a permit application and process for street, sidewalk, and
intersection paintings and community-designed crosswalks. The arts commission
will review proposed street, sidewalk and intersection paintings and community-
designed crosswalks for consistency with this chapter and will make
recommendations to the city council, which will have final approval of any street,
sidewalk and intersection paintings or community-designed crosswalks that are
consistent with this chapter and public safety.
For street, sidewalk, and intersection paintings or community-designed crosswalks
proposed for installation in an area subject to design or historic preservation review,
or
design review process. The arts commission and the historic preservation
committee may meet together to discuss the permit application.
After extensive consultation with the Public Worksand Planning Departments, the Public Art
Committee is proposing a permit process in smart.gov for street painting so that residents can
more easily access this program, as well as working to internally clarify review criteria for Public
Works, HPC, and PTAC.
Once this process is agreed upon by the various review teams, the Planning Department will create
and price the appropriate permit for the program which will be available on smart.gov.
Roles and Purview
Public Works review role:
Assess applications to ensure project does not negatively affect traffic safety or interfere with the
, including consulting on appropriate materials.
review role:
Review proposal as it relates to historic resources within the historic district as outlined in HPC
2.72.060(B)(8):
As they relate to historic resources within the historic district, review and comment
to the planning commission and city council on land use, housing, redevelopment,
municipal improvement and other types of planning and programs undertaken by
any agency of the city, other neighboring communities, the county, the state or
federal governments.
Access application to ensure it does not relate to historic resources (i.e., take place on any historic
structure or resource.) Since these projects necessarily are on streets, so long as they are not of
historic material, most projects should be permissible under these guidelines.
Assess project using approval criteria as outlined in PTMC Chapter 12.11.040:
The city does not intend a street, sidewalk, or intersection painting or a
community-
reserves the right to control the art displayed on all city property, including painting
or other art installations on city streets and sidewalks. The city reserves the right to
deny a street painting permit application or to remove a street, sidewalk, or
intersection painting or community- designed crosswalk if it depicts:
Violent images
Sexually graphic images
Religious symbols or desecration of the same
Hatred of persons or groups of people
Support for or opposition to a candidate or initiative on the ballot
Advertisement for a good or service for sale
Imagery that may be inappropriate to maintain in or upon public property because
it is so objectionable under contemporary community standards that it is
reasonably foreseeable to result in harm to, disruption of, or interference with the
provide additional guidance on design elements as they relate to best practices for
street painting (scale, complexity, contrast, etc.)
role:
Give final approval for any given project
Process Flow
Withinan area subject to design or historic preservation reviewafter completed permit is
submitted:
initial enginnering/safety consultation with applicant
provide feedback or modifications if needed to meet traffic safety
Public
guidelines
Works
review for any interference with historic structures/resources
provide feedback if location needs modification
HPC
review against limited public forum guidelines
provide feedback or modifications if needed to meet guidelines
PTAC
provide final approval/rejection of project
City
Council
Outside an area subject to design or historic preservation reviewafter completed permit is
submitted:
initial enginnering/safety consultation with applicant
provide feedback or modifications if needed to meet traffic safety
Public
guidelines
Works
review against limited public forum guidelines
provide feedback or modifications if needed to meet guidelines
PTAC
provide final approval/rejection of project
City
Council
Port Townsend Municipal Code
Chapter 12.11
STREET USE PERMITS STREET PAINTING ALL DISTRICTS
Sections:
12.11.010 Intent
12.11.020 Applicability Permit required.
12.11.030 Street painting permit approval.
12.11.040 Approval criteria.
12.11.050 Removal maintenance.
12.11.010 Intent
Painting on city streets and sidewalks should positively promote the character and values of the
community and add to the unique vibrancy of Port Townsend. Paintings on the street and sidewalks
should not negatively affect traffic safety or interfere with
and sidewalks.
12.11.020 Applicability Permit required.
This chapter pertains to allowing street, sidewalk, and intersection paintings and community-
designed crosswalks in all districts in the city. It does not pertain to any painting or markings
applied by the city or state for traffic safety or traffic control or to any street, sidewalk and
intersection paintings and community-designed crosswalks drawn in chalk or other medium that
may be removed with the non-pressurized application of water. No person or group of people may
install street, sidewalk, and intersection paintings or community-designed crosswalks in the city
without first obtaining a permit from the city pursuant to the process and requirements in this
chapter. This chapter provides the exclusive method for obtaining approval of uses that are
regulated by this chapter. The city reserves the right to remove any street painting that is installed
without a permit.
12.11.030 Street painting permit approval
A. The public works director (or designee) will, in consultation with the arts commission,
develop a permit application and process for street, sidewalk, and intersection paintings
and community-designed crosswalks. The arts commission will review proposed street,
sidewalk and intersection paintings and community-designed crosswalks for consistency
with this chapter and will make recommendations to the city council, which will have final
approval of any street, sidewalk and intersection paintings or community-designed
crosswalks that are consistent with this chapter and public safety.
B. For street, sidewalk, and intersection paintings or community-designed crosswalks
proposed for installation in an area subject to design or historic preservation review, the city
or design review
process. The arts commission and the historic preservation committee may meet together
to discuss the permit application.
C. Holders of street painting permits will coordinate with the chief of police (or designee) for
any needed street closures in order to ensure the safe installation.
D. The city may require that a street painting permit holder indemnify the city.
E. The city council decision to approve or deny a street painting permit is final.
12.11.040 Approval criteria
The city does not intend a street, sidewalk, or intersection painting or a community- designed
on all city property, including painting or other art installations on city streets and sidewalks. The
city reserves the right to deny a street painting permit application or to remove a street, sidewalk, or
intersection painting or community- designed crosswalk if it depicts:
1. Violent images
2. Sexually graphic images
3. Religious symbols or desecration of the same
4. Hatred of persons or groups of people
5. Support for or opposition to a candidate or initiative on the ballot
6. Advertisement for a good or service for sale
7. Imagery that may be inappropriate to maintain in or upon public property because it so
objectionable under contemporary community standards that it is reasonably foreseeable
property.
12.11.050 Removal and maintenance.
Once installed, the street, sidewalk, or intersection painting or community-designed crosswalk is
the property of the city, which may remove it without notice if the painting interferes with public
safety, street maintenance, or is vandalized or damaged. The city has no obligation to maintain,
repair, or reinstall a street, sidewalk, or intersection painting or community-designed crosswalk.
Mural Process and Code Proposal
Prepared by the Port Townsend Arts Commission Public Art Committee
November 2025
Overview
The City of Port Townsend DESIGN GUIDELINES for MURALS in the Special Overlay Design Review
& National Landmark Historic Districts has few guidelines for Artistic Murals, including:
DEFINITIONS: Artistic Murals applied to the wall of a building without application of any other
framing, and which contain no advertising.
SECTION II: ARTISTIC MURALS Further discussion of artistic mural guidelines is
postponed until after April 1993, so the Historic Preservation Committee may further
research the subject.
The Port Townsend Arts Commission and members of the community have been strongly
advocating for the opportunity to create new artistic murals both in and outside of the historic
overlay districts. It is, in fact, one of the most voiced requests from the arts community.
After extensive research and conversations with other historic Washington State communities, the
cipal code as a baseline
model to assist in creating new guidelines for Port Townsend.
Please see this code below, annotated with recommendations from the Public Art Committee:
MURALS
Purpose.
A. In the city of Ellensburg, murals foster a sense of community and connection and enrich the
experience of both tourists and residents. Acknowledging that murals provide economic
benefits and enhance livability, the city's mural policy seeks both to preserve historic murals
already in existence and provide guidance for creation of new works of mural art.
B. On landmark properties and in historic districts, the policy seeks to allow the placement and
scale of new murals in such a way that the character-defining features of historic properties
are not obscured, covered, or otherwise adversely affected. The policy encourages artistic
expression through murals in appropriate locations with little intrusion into artistic
expression and content.
Applicability.
The standards for murals set forth in ECC 15.720.030(A) through (C) shall apply to all individual
properties within the city of Ellensburg. ECC 15.720.030(D) and (E) shall apply only to landmarks
register properties and districts listed on the Ellensburg landmarks register or on the National
Register of Historic Places. ECC 15.720.030(F) shall apply to historic murals.
Standards and guidelines.
Murals shall conform to the following requirements:
A. Permit required. Prior to installation, all murals require submission of an application and
issuance of a permit subject to the following provisions:
1. Applications for murals not on landmarks register properties and not in districts listed on
the Ellensburg landmarks register or on the National Register of Historic Places shall first be
reviewed by the arts commission in a public meeting for a recommendation which shall be
forwarded to the community development department (for Port Townsend, the PCD) when
issuing a permit. (Then to City Council for final approval.
2. Applications for murals located on landmarks register properties or in districts listed on
the Ellensburg landmarks register or on the National Register of Historic Places shall first be
reviewed by the arts commission in a public meeting, as referenced in subsection (A)(1) this
section, and shall also obtain a certificate of appropriateness (COA) (permit approval) from
the landmarks and design commission (HPC).
B. Murals as signs. Murals created after the effective date of the ordinance codified in this chapter
that fall within the definition of a sign shall be regulated pursuant to the sign code, chapter as
currently enacted or hereafter amended. (Sign Code - PTMC Chapter 17.76)
C. Installation and maintenance of all approved murals.
1. Murals shall be installed in a manner to ensure that they withstand the elements to the
greatest degree that is feasible as determined by the community development department
(for Port Townsend, the PCD).
2. Murals shall use materials, coatings, or other protective techniques that will resist
vandalism, weathering by sun, water, wind and graffiti to the greatest degree feasible as
determined by the department.
3. Murals must be maintained by the building owner for the life of the mural or until the
mural is removed.
4. Application may be made for permanently installed murals or for temporary community-
designed murals. For temporary murals, community members may submit a design brief or
concept that meets limited public forum guidelines instead of a full design and do not need
to submit a maintenance plan. Temporary murals must be removed by property owner with
one year of installation.
D. Location, design and style of murals on landmark structures or in historic districts.
1. The design (not content) of murals on landmarks register properties and in districts listed
on the Ellensburg landmarks register or on the National Register of Historic Places must be
consistent and compatible with the architectural and historical character of the historic
district and the architectural features (column bays, windows, planar walls, cornices,
beams, columns, trim, windows, doors, etc.) of the building on which they are located.
2. Murals shall not be permitted to be placed directly on unpainted brick, unpainted or
painted stone, wood sidings with surface detail, or any other material that does not have a
planar or flat character. An exception to this provision may be allowable in instances where
new paint is applied onto the existing paint of an existing historic mural for the purpose of
restoration, and for which a COA has been obtained. Prior to the installation, the surface to
which the mural will be applied must be in a condition that would allow the permanent
attachment of the proposed mural.
3. Murals may not have electrical or mechanical components.
4. Three-dimensional murals are not allowed (see note for discussion)
5. Murals shall not be located on those facades of buildings that are immediately adjacent
to a street. A mural may be permitted on the side or rear of a building if it is (a)
noncontributing and (b) is not immediately adjacent to the sidewalk (recommend striking
this requirement and assessing proposals for all locations).
6. Murals must not damage or lead to accelerated deterioration of the building surface.
E. Alteration and removal of murals on landmark structures or in historic districts. (This
section may not be applicable as historic murals in Port Townsend fall under the definition
of Mural Signs.)
1. Alteration or removal of any existing or permitted mural on landmarks register properties
and districts listed on the Ellensburg landmarks register or on the National Register of
Historic Places requires a permit obtained through the process set forth in (reference PTMC
code here) ECC 15.280.090. Alteration or removal of historic murals shall only be made pursuant to
this subsection.
2. Alteration or removal of any existing or permitted mural shall not damage or lead to the
destruction or deterioration of a building or structure or adversely impact the architectural
or historic character of any building located within a historic district.
3. Any associated materials that were used to affix the mural to the surface must be
removed at the time of the removal of the mural. This includes, but is not limited to,
mounting hardware or brackets, caulk or grout, and adhesives or glues.
F. Historic Recent existing murals.
1. The landmarks and design commission will conduct a survey of existing murals and includes
those deemed historic in the Ellensburg landmarks register.
Recent murals are those believed to have been painted within the last 50 years (as of 1992) and are
in existence on December 31, 1992. Recent murals include, but are not limited to:
a. Tree of Heaven, Mount Baker Block (Artistic Mural)
e. Port Townsend Athletic Club, 229 Monroe (Mural Sign)
f. Mary Kaiser Design, 807 Washington (Artistic Mural)
g. Abundant Life Seed Foundation, 1029 Lawrence (Mural Sign)
h. The Gym, 1530 Franklin (Mural Sign)
i. Cinnamon's Apparel, 1005 Water (Mural Sign)
j. R & D PT Paint, 215 Decatur St. (Mural Sign)
k. PT Outdoors, 1001 Water Street (Mural Sign)
l. Cheeks Bistro-1001 Water Street (Mural Sign)
Existing recent mural signs (and artistic murals) may be repainted (or a permit to create new artistic
murals in these locations may be applied for) with Historic Preservation Committee review if the
applicant can show that repainting would not likely accelerate deterioration of the brick.
2. New murals shall not be painted over existing historic murals as defined in ECC 15.130.080 other
than those enumerated in this chapter.
(Suggest omitting the section below as other historic murals fall under policies regarding Mural
Signs as defined in the City of Port Townsend DESIGN GUIDELINES for MURALS in the Special
Overlay Design Review & National Landmark Historic Districts)
Historic murals may not be altered, repainted, painted out, removed, restored or otherwise
disturbed, unless the structural integrity of the building is at stake, without compliance with the
following:
a. Prior to the alteration, repainting, painting out, removal, restoration or other disturbance to an
historic mural the property owner shall obtain a COA. Application for a COA shall be reviewed by
the landmarks and design commission in accordance with the procedures set forth in ECC
15.280.090(C) and 15.280.100 (PTMC Code here) with the following exceptions:
i. The landmarks and design commission shall meet initially with the applicant to consider
alternatives to the alteration or removal including available incentives for preservation of the mural.
These negotiations may last no longer than 120 calendar days from the first meeting of the
landmarks and design commission unless the applicant agrees to an extension. During these
negotiations, the applicant should allow the commission to review the site and plans for the
alteration and/or removal of the mural. An alteration and/or removal notice must also be placed on
the property and published in the newspaper.
ii. If no request for an extension is made and no alternative has been agreed to and the applicant
has made a showing that such action is necessary to provide a reasonable beneficial use or
reasonable economic return, the landmarks and design commission shall issue a COA to the
applicant.
b. Prior to the permitted disturbance of an existing historic mural, photographic documentation of
the mural shall be collected and made available to the landmarks and design commission by the
department.
3. Any person aggrieved by any action of the landmarks and design commission in denying or
approving the applicant's request may file a notice of appeal as set forth in Chapter 15.230 ECC;
however, such appeals shall be to city council rather than to the hearing examiner.(This does not
seem to be common in PTMC code, suggest omitting)
4.The landmarks and design commission will review the possibility of initiating a program to restore
historic murals. (suggest omitting unless of interest to HPC)
Submittal requirements and approval process. (Suggest reviewing this as step two after agreeing to
general principles see process flow in street painting proposal)
A. All artists and building owners proposing murals on their properties shall first submit their
proposals for review by the arts commission in a public meeting for a recommendation which shall
be forwarded to (DCD > HPC?)for consideration when issuing a permit. Murals proposed to be
installed on any landmarks register properties or in districts listed on the Ellensburg landmarks
register or on the National Register of Historic Places must further be reviewed by the landmarks
and design commission and obtain a COA from that body.
B. All of the following materials must be submitted with application for a mural:
1. Drawings (elevation, site plan), photographs of building;
2. Map of landmark structures and historic districts within 300 feet of the proposed mural;
3. Written description, including materials used and how the mural will be affixed;
4. Color image of mural and artist's examples of past work, if any;
5. Written authorization from property owner; and
6. Maintenance plan.
(Suggest adding limited public forum language, as in Street Painting Code:) Strongly
agreed!
The city does not intend a street, sidewalk, or intersection painting or a community-
control the art displayed on all city property, including painting or other art installations
on city streets and sidewalks. The city reserves the right to deny a street painting permit
application or to remove a street, sidewalk, or intersection painting or community-
designed crosswalk if it depicts:
Permits will not be issued for Artistic Murals that depict:
Violent images
Sexually graphic images
Religious symbols or desecration of the same
Hatred of persons or groups of people
Support for or opposition to a candidate or initiative on the ballot
Advertisement for a good or service for sale
Imagery that may be inappropriate to maintain in or upon public property because
it is so objectionable under contemporary community standards that it is
reasonably foreseeable to result in harm to, disruption of, or interference with the
public
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PTAC also recommends the definition of Murals from The City of Port Townsend DESIGN
GUIDELINES for MURALS in the Special Overlay Design Review & National Landmark Historic
Districts has few guidelines for Artistic Murals be updated to include the application of paint to
walls other than those in a building, such as retaining walls, fences, seawalls, and other
architectural features:
DEFINITIONS: Artistic Murals consist exclusively of paint applied to the wall of a
building or other built structure without application of any other material or
framing, and which contain no advertising.
FOR DISCUSSION: Murals of material other than paint
DEFINITIONS: Artistic Murals are artworks executed directly onto a wall and can be
created in a variety of materials, including paint, concrete, brick, wood, stone,
ceramic tile and other materials. Murals can be flat two-dimensional artworks,
especially those created in paint, or three dimensional designs described as
reliefs or friezes, no thicker than 1cm from the surface, and applied to the wall of a
building or other built structure, and which contain no advertising.
2025 PTAC GRANTS
Applications Amount Total of 2025 Total of 2025
Date Submitted Requested Applications $ Requests Average Allocation
March 13 $48,660 40.63% 49.31% 44.97% $9,000.00
June 10 $29,150 31.25% 29.54% 30.39% $9,000.00
September 9 $17,875 28.13% 18.11% 23.12% $9,000.00
32 $98,685.00 100.00% 100.00% 100.00% $27,000.00
Project & Grantee Amount Categories
The Hobbit, PT Youth Theatre $2,700.00 Theatre Youth Event
Photography Underrepresented
Photovoice with Unhoused Neighbors of PT$1,710.00 Event
Timothy O'Connell III Exhibition, Jefferson County
Historical Society $1,000.00 Visual Art Indigenous Exhibition
PT High School Mural Unveiling $1,000.00 Visual Art Youth Educational
Production Alliance, PT Pride $2,590.00 Music LGBTQIA+ Event
Total March $9,000.00
Lindsey Wayland, Dear Town: A Town-Wide Poetic
Letter $2,000.00 Literary
The Nest at OWL360, A Community Mural Project
Featuring Young Artists $2,650.00 Visual Art Youth
Community Chorus and Rainshadow Chorale,
Handel's Messiah Concert $2,000.00 Music Event
Port Townsend Marine Science Center, Block
Printing Party $450.00 Visual Art Event
Salish Sea International Butoh Festival 2025 $1,000.00 Dance, Event
Juneteenth Pride Burlesque Show, Indigo Sky Dance LGBTQIA+ Event
Productions $900 (cancelled)
Total June $8,100.00
Songwriting Works' Intergenerational Community
MusicTeams $500.00 Music Educational
Mythsinger Legacy Project, Creation Stories for the
New Year $1,200.00 Storytelling Event
KPTZ, Studio Performance Space Initiative $500.00 Music
PT Mian Street and ArtScape Holiday Crafts Day $1,030.00 Youth Event
PT STEM Club, Mini Maker Fair $995.00 Youth Event
JCHS and KPTZ Holiday Extravaganza $750.00 Music Event
Bobby4 Bobby, The Harvest- A celebration of
Jefferson County Queer Art $1,200.00 Theatre LGBTQIA+ Event
KCPT Hearing & Visual ADA Accommodations for
Theatre Performances $1,650.00 Theatre Underrepresented
Quilcene Theatre 7th Annual Winter Solstice Show $2,075.00 Theatre Event
Total September $9,900.00
Total $27,000.00
Port Townsend Art Commission
DRAFT Policy Regarding Commissioners Applying for PTAC Grants
While serving on the Port Townsend Arts Commission, individuals may not apply for
funding from the commission. We understand that commissioners are often also artists
involved with many projects in the community. Such projects can apply for funds so long
as the commissioner is not directly involved in the fundraising and does not recieve any
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Council Chambers: Hello! Thank you for joining the December 4th meeting
of the Port Towns of Arts Commission. We are waiting for just one more
member to join us, so we have quorum to begin the meeting. Tis the season
for complicated calendars, so we'll be back online in just a moment with
a full house.
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Council Chambers: We're closer to it.
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Council Chambers: All right, everyone, welcome back to the December 4th
meeting of the Port Towns and Arts Commission, the last meeting of 2025.
It is 326, and we're officially calling the meeting to order, and we'll
start with roll call. Alexis Arabito, Chair. Katie Goodman, staff
liaison. Heidi Coleman, Commissioner?
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Council Chambers: Dan Grausman, Vice Chair.
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Council Chambers: Joshua Saunders, Commissioner?
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Council Chambers: You're not allowed to speak. Okay, Lonnie is here.
You're here at the table, we're going around. Okay, we're gonna move on
to approving the agenda. Had a little time to review it, so I hope we're
ready to move on it.
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Council Chambers: Sure. Thank you, Dan. In addition to our 27-minute
break.
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Council Chambers: In the beginning, I might move we approve the agenda.
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Council Chambers: Do we have a second?
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Council Chambers: I'll second that. Thank you, Joshua. All in favor of
approving our agenda?
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Council Chambers: Unanimously moves. Approval of the minutes from
November.
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Council Chambers: Thank you, I hope.
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Council Chambers: I'm gonna do it for a bit. Thank you, Taka. Do you have
a second on the minutes?
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Council Chambers: Thank you, Heidi. Any discussion or revisions?
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Council Chambers: Oh, what?
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Council Chambers: Bye.
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Council Chambers: All in favor of approving the minutes from November.
Unanimous again.
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Council Chambers: We're just cruising. Public comment, does anyone in
chambers or online have comments before we get going today?
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Council Chambers: None in chambers? Any online? Lonnie's disappeared so
he doesn't have to speak again.
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Council Chambers: Last I heard, there was no one online, so…
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Council Chambers: We can revisit if somebody appears, but it sounds like
we can close public comment and get into committee business!
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Council Chambers: Hello, thank you all for being here. The primary two
things to share, first of all, is that we'll have a little appreciation
moment after the meeting today, so please stay for an extra 15 minutes.
We've got a cool selection of books for a little book exchange, and a
little…
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Council Chambers: Some snacks. Snacks and thank you, from the City of
Port Townsend.
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Council Chambers: And year in reflection. Hmm. What a year we've had! No,
this has been a really dynamic year. I feel like so many things. I think
this is…
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Council Chambers: my fourth or fifth year on the Arts Commission, where
we are today, from where we were when I had my first initial meeting on
Zoom, because it was still very pandemic-y when I joined the,
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Council Chambers: The mission is really just night and day. It feels like
a totally different body and organization and direction, with a lot more
strategy behind it, and focus and direction.
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Council Chambers: and time for us to even have these conversations
instead of every other month. And can you imagine writing? Every other
month was still in grants, we would have no time to talk with each other,
so it feels like we're headed in such an exciting direction with these,
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Council Chambers: smaller subcommittees that, are really able to advance
the work, and the amount of, policy influence and direction that we've
helped shape has been really significant, it feels like.
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Council Chambers: Of course, the addition of a staff liaison, like, a
true, dedicated arts and culture coordinator for the Supreme Court000 has
been crucial towards all of that, and probably, like, the most…
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Council Chambers: significant outcome, I feel, of the past 4 or 5 years
of, like, evolution of the Arts Commission, so that feels really
exciting, and we're really grateful that you're here, Katie, and, doing
all the hard work when we're not in quorum, or not not in Quorum, even.
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Council Chambers: So yeah, I feel grateful to be here with all of you,
and look forward to wrapping up this year and looking ahead with clear
eyes and excitement and enthusiasm for all the programs that we're able
to
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Council Chambers: work on together. Cool! Anyone else have thoughts or
want to share any…
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Council Chambers: Warm and fuzzies about Arts Commission this year.
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Council Chambers: Or no. No pressure. I'm making it available, yeah. I'll
just buttress your point. I just looked back through my emails to do the
math on how long I've been on here. 15 years, and I've never been more
optimistic about our future than others.
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Council Chambers: until you see the 26th budget, you're gonna feel really
good. It's just, you know, been so refreshing to have Katie on board,
and…
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Council Chambers: Have a lot of our kinks straightened, and there's so
much promise ahead, so…
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Council Chambers: Ready for us? Yeah. It feels like a really, like,
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Council Chambers: almost Herculean task to be doing that at a time when,
like, in the zeitgeist, like, financing and attitudes towards art are in
a weird place, so I feel like it's really an accomplishment that we're…
we've built such a positive trajectory during this time when
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Council Chambers: it's been a… you know, it could be… it could have been
a much more uphill battle than it feels like it's been. Kudos to you two,
Alexis. We've got good leadership, we've got great membership right now.
You know, during COVID, we dwindled down to, like, two members for a
while there, so…
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Council Chambers: Yeah, that's a bit of fresh air. We'll be sorry to miss
you, Ben, but feel free to attend anyway. You can be a commissioner. You
can be a commissioner now.
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Council Chambers: I'll just add to Alexis' points out really quick,
because I popped into Bureaucracy Now today to plug the art awards, to
try to hopefully get some more people to make nominations, and
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Council Chambers: John Morrow was just, like, very… was just like.
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Council Chambers: Very complimentary about, like, the amount of, of,
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Council Chambers: effort and investment that the city's making in the
arts, and just, it seemed like he really felt good about it, so I thought
that was, you know, said a lot about everybody and how we're doing here,
also. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: That is… I think the most… I've seen a lot of
interesting permutations just in the last 4 years, but I think this is
the most forward-looking forward, like, it's always…
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Council Chambers: buy the community I want to remember, and take one
away, or whatever, that just changes it, but right now, it seems to be
very affordable. There's a lot to look forward to, so… Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Council Chambers: Yeah. There you go.
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Council Chambers: And not to, like, put too fine a point on it, but,
like, really, Pantone revealed their color of the year for 2026, saying
it's white. So, like, if that doesn't sort of tell us where we're… like,
that's what I mean by, like, the landscape is different for the arts
right now, and so it is good that we have a very forward-looking,
positive.
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Council Chambers: colorful, vibrant viewpoint about what's ahead for us,
not the absence of color, you know? Anyway, so, yeah, I think we have
exciting things ahead, so it's been a pleasure to serve with all of you
this year, and I look forward to continuing the good work in 2026.
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Council Chambers: And let's cheers to it over some apple cider at 5.15.
Right. I'm sending you a couple of minutes. Okay, now we can move into
our Treasurer update, which is a role that we are…
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Council Chambers: seeking to fill now, because Jones resigned, and…
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Council Chambers: I think we have not exceeded a new treasure, but we
can… I don't know that we have to do that today, oh, at the time.
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Council Chambers: But maybe be thinking about, like, if being treasurer
seems like something that will fill your cup in 2026, it is a very easy
rule, since we have an entire city financing accounting team helping us.
You're mainly just reporting on
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Council Chambers: The budget as it stands for each meeting.
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Council Chambers: Kate, would you be willing to give us a picture of our…
Yes, fill it in really quick. So I've brought on the screen this year's
budget. So where we are, we, there's…
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Council Chambers: $1,210 left in the budget that are, it's earmarked
mostly for…
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Council Chambers: Like, documentation and photo stuff.
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Council Chambers: But there is some flexibility within these budgets,
like, it's… it's approved as a top-line budget, so if PTAC chose to use
that funding in, like, a different manner, like, that would be okay. This
is approved by the Commission, but not at a…
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Council Chambers: Council level, you know, the council level approves the
total overall budget. So, like, right now, for example, like, you all
can…
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Council Chambers: discuss and choose to do something else with that
$1,200. If it doesn't get expended this year, it will go back into the
general fund.
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Council Chambers: So that's just something, like, I think worth taking a
moment to talk about and think about. Some things that could be worth
considering are, the arts awards are going to be in February, but we
could do… or the Commission could choose to do something like have a
program designed this year, or…
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Council Chambers: you know, do some things in advance of that, make any…
make collateral materials or something like that, that, you know, would
be ready for next year.
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Council Chambers: Or if there's other things that are kind of on people's
minds that, like, we wanted, that could still get done, if we wanted to
do this kind of year-end ad, or year-end…
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Council Chambers: publicity, again, in the leader or some other local
avenue for that, that's another option. So anyway, just something… I
don't know if y'all want to have a short discussion about that, then it
would be great if I can
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Council Chambers: move on the will of the Commission if they wanted it,
if y'all wanted it, spent as required.
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Council Chambers: Yeah. So the minimal, but the expenses for the
maintenance, materials, would that come out of this? Yes, that… So, yeah,
I can't see that being more than 300 bucks at the most. Right, yeah, as
long as… but I need to do that this month, so as long as you don't get me
those lists. And then we'd also had a discussion of, I mean,
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Council Chambers: hiring or consulting a conservator, would that be
something that we could contract someone in this year, and then have them
come sometime in the spring? That's an interesting thought. We'd have to
find, like, we'd have to… We talked about switching up to, like,
Bainbridge or something. Yeah, we did. Joshua, did you end up talking to
Greg?
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Council Chambers: I could go again. No, no, it's all… he would, and I
heard from him directly that he was enthused about talking with us. Oh,
really? I thought maybe you guys, like, took it off the end and just
didn't see me back. No, no, I would. Did you see my email to him?
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Council Chambers: I don't think so, but I'll follow up.
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Council Chambers: I mean, unless I'm, like, hallucinating that I sent
that, but I'm, like, pretty positive that when you sent me that, I, like,
the day of… No, marketing deficit needs to be accounted for? No, because,
like, it's a print web publication, there's, like, some flexibility. It's
kind of categories, you know what I mean?
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Council Chambers: The…
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Council Chambers: The other place to reach out to would be the public art
department at ArtSwap. The guy's name is Michael Sweeney, and they just
have a lot of… that's just, like, what they do, yeah. So that would be
another place to look. I'm sure there's… Yeah, yeah. And so the idea
would be that they would come up here and look at our collection and sort
of give us guidance.
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Council Chambers: In particular, because part of our code says that
repairs require the, right, yeah.
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Council Chambers: A conservator or something, and that's why this summer
I put the brakes on the S Streetworks and milestones. I kind of got
scared, like… Right.
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Council Chambers: even though she gave me the green light and gave me all
these materials, I'm like, alright, well, maybe we should talk to the
cement work, or…
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Council Chambers: Because I just, you know, I'm a by the book guy, and I
saw that in there, so…
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Council Chambers: Well, I think it's a good point that there's the,
maintenance kit that we're putting together, and that will, you know, eat
up drugs, draw down the budget, so… We love funding studies and
consultation. So I think, yeah, I mean, I think if, you know.
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Council Chambers: But as they continue to pursue some of these avenues
for finding someone to come and do kind of a walkthrough and give some
feedback and advice, I think that'd be an awesome thing to do. We just
have to get it on the books before the end of the year if we want to use
it against this particular…
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Council Chambers: Like, like, this particular budget, so…
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Council Chambers: So we can fit for somebody, like, we have $800 or $900,
could we please get a visit, and… yeah.
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Council Chambers: I mean, I think so, that would be…
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Council Chambers: Yeah, we could. I assume too concerned that it'll
actually happen. Just because it's that time of year that it's really
hard to not, like, line things up. Yeah, and we can't, like, pre-pay for
that.
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Council Chambers: Oh, it would have to be… Yeah. It'd have to happen
after that. That's what I mean, you couldn't… you couldn't do a…
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Council Chambers: contract for a spring visit or something, and you pay
it? Yeah, it might be… so… so one of the things… we'll look at the 26
budget in a second. There is a lot of more funds in the 26 budget, so we
don't… we're not like, oh no, if we don't get it done now, it's more like
there's this…
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Council Chambers: money that will go away at the end of the year if you
don't use it, so it might be… it might…
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Council Chambers: be worth thinking a different direction of something
that's more, like, executable right now. Like a new KTAC logo design, or
something like that. Like, you know, there's things that might be a
little bit more immediate that could get…
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Council Chambers: Worked on if people are interested in, like, taking on
any of those projects, or it could be, like.
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Council Chambers: So it was okay, so the money went back to the general
fund, and, you know, we're weird. Okay.
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Council Chambers: We could probably run… what was the cost of the ad for
the awards? $630. We could do another one of those. Yeah, we could run,
yeah. What kind of turnout have we gotten now? I think we've gotten,
like… I can't scroll through. I think we've gotten maybe 7? 7? 7 or 8
nominations so far.
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Council Chambers: But people will… it'll be the last day. Like, I just
did a rescue for the library, and, like, every… there was, like, no
applications. They're like, oh, no! And then we ended up with 5 really,
really good applicants, like, within the last
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Council Chambers: three days or something, you know, so it's just the way
that people… I've passed all my flyers out and tried to tell people
deliberately to, like, do it. Yeah. But Wikipedia!
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Council Chambers: Do we advertise in the PBN? They talk almost everything
down and saying, yeah, we could do that, we could try a different outlet.
I mean, I think I'd rather do that than do the leader again, honestly.
Yeah, cool. And it might… I would… I don't know…
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Council Chambers: Does anyone have the rates for the weekend? Are they
doing… Yeah, the weekend. I sent, yeah, I re-sent the, press release to
Matt again. It was like… But, if they're doing ads, ads, yeah.
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Council Chambers: So, and then I just talked about… It's a good idea of
bureaucracy now. So, yeah, I think TDN's a good one. I could absolutely
do. The Portland voice. Okay, everyone in Portland Races. And, okay.
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Council Chambers: It's, like, $252, but, like, it is one of those things
that, like.
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Council Chambers: Everyone in the hamlet of Port Louisville gets. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: Do you want me just to go ahead and spend this money on
our team? You guys feel good about that? Okay. Except I'll save… I'll
leave some aside for the maintenance. Cool. Right, yeah, yeah.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, totally. Cool, okay, that sounds good. Those are
good ideas, and I can…
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Council Chambers: Yeah, and I think… I think also being in the front of
the voice highlights, too, that it's not specific… it's not like you have
to be a Port Town County City Limits resident to wish for a nomination.
So maybe also flagging is, like, a special mention in your ad.
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Council Chambers: Okay, okay, and then I wanted to, look at next year's
budget. Next year's budget is, what we… what the Commission asked for was
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Council Chambers: approved, which is really, I think, incredible. That's,
like, a big jump. Really exciting. 36 spots, so… wait, 48? 48, 800. Yeah.
It's like a whole new day. It's literally double the budget we had when
they started.
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Council Chambers: So yeah, it's pretty exciting. I think, we don't have
to…
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Council Chambers: The Commission doesn't have to discuss… decide this
right now, but…
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Council Chambers: There's this idea of putting, you know, a monetary
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Council Chambers: award along with the Fort Townsend Arts Awards, which I
think has, like, there's some pros and cons, too. The only reason to,
like, look at this budget carefully now and potentially decide if it
wants to change or not
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Council Chambers: Is that we voted last meeting, I believe, to strike the
grants for, like, 45%, 30%, 25% over… and, like, you know, there's a
$30,000 grant budget, which is a…
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Council Chambers: $3,000 from last year, but there is maybe some wiggle
room if, like, that wanted to grow. There feels like there's some
momentum again behind that, and, like, it's a great way to get, you know,
funding directly into artists' hands. So,
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Council Chambers: And I know that, like, the Commission wasn't 100% on
board with the idea of the awards being monetary awards, necessarily, so
that felt like a discussion that might be worth having.
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Council Chambers: Today, if people are interested, because I'd love to
have that number set so that we could put it out there, like, this is how
much will we need grant round, and people can start thinking about
applying and that sort of thing.
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Council Chambers: That's weird.
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Council Chambers: So to speak, we're still on board with that way we
proportioned it, but just now in consideration of this number.
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Council Chambers: Well, just the idea was, I think we were like, let's
ask for this much and see if it comes through. If it doesn't, this idea
of having,
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Council Chambers: you know, monetary awards is, like, could be something
that could get struck, because it isn't a… you know, there's, like,
wiggle room around that, because
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Council Chambers: people had mixed feelings about whether, well, let's
put it in there, because it feels like something worth exploring.
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Council Chambers: But now that, like, the top-line budget has been…
Approved at a city level.
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Council Chambers: the Commission can look at these numbers, and like,
this would be the time, I think, before 2026 begins, to make any changes,
do it within this
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Council Chambers: Right. Like, at this level, so that we can make
decisions based on the actual, like, you know, where we've actually
placed the funds. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. Is the $1,500 that's
reflected in the Mayor's Art Awards, in this current year, that's just
the fabrication budget that we spent? Yeah, this year, I mean, yeah, so…
so we don't have…
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Council Chambers: budget. I mean, right, so yes, the Mayor's Art… the art
awards right now.
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Council Chambers: Had, technically, a $1,500 budget, and then we used,
you know, advertising and stuff.
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Council Chambers: Right. Budget against it as well. But yeah, there's not
necessarily, like.
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Council Chambers: like, you might not want to take away all of it down to
$1,500 if that's the number for fabricating, and that's, like, the base
that PTAC has chosen is a good number to pay an artist for making the
awards, because you might want to hire a musician, photographer, rent a
venue, you know, so there's, like, other event costs, but it might not.
So there… I guess,
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Council Chambers: how serious is the notes section? Because…
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Council Chambers: if we just delete everything after the word event, we
still have wiggle room as far as prescribing or ascribing financial
awards, which I don't think we should do, but we would still have the
ability to do that, but we would have a $7,500 line item for an event,
which,
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Council Chambers: supplements the work of the soundcheck, and is our only
event program that we put on. And so,
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Council Chambers: I guess I feel like there's a case to be made for just
leaving it at $7,500, because that could cover…
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Council Chambers: Like, the fabrication for the 2027 awards… Right.
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Council Chambers: the venue for 20… like, there's money that goes for it.
Events are not cheap. And as… if we want it to be a nice event that feels
like people want to come, that would be, in my mind, an event that has
musicians who are paid more than a stipend, a tiny stipend, like you
offered the last time.
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Council Chambers: a professional photographer who also was doing it for
more than…
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Council Chambers: I mean, David did a great job for $100. Like, it was
not… that's not what professional photographers charge, you know? So, and
that's actually a really good point, Alexis, because this money, it's for
26, so this actually would go towards the 20.
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Council Chambers: Right. Six event. Right, right, so we… and there's work
to be done to put that event together. Yeah. And I think that,
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Council Chambers: I just want to be clear that, like, my primary reason
for moving away from a monetary award for the awardees, for the arts
awards.
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Council Chambers: is just largely because it's not a standard. It's not…
it's not an expectation or a standard from municipalities across the
country, so it's not… I mean, we could be leaders in that regard, because
we do champion putting dollars directly in the hands of artists, but
also…
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Council Chambers: it costs money to put on this event, and we want it to
be an event that feels like it really is something that's worth
celebrating, and is special, and we're, like, kind of resetting a whole…
the whole culture around the Arts Awards. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: I mean, but I want to hear from everyone. So what do
you… what's on your… I… I can echo that similar… it's hard to put into
words, but you… there's something about taking care of our collaborators
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Council Chambers: first. Like, we're already saying, like, here's this
award, and here's this platform, and here's this title, and that's kind
of got its own cloud. But I think if you take care of your collaborators,
the people who are, like.
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Council Chambers: you know, putting it on with you, I think that's really
good.
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Council Chambers: Fucked out.
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Council Chambers: And, Joshua? Yeah, I tend to agree, just because I
think that, like, although ultimately, like, I obviously want artists to
receive money, it just feels like the, like, level of complication it
could bring into this sort of…
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Council Chambers: logistics of how we choose the awardee and everything.
It's like, when you bring the money in, then it makes the whole, like,
who gets it more…
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Council Chambers: like, of a headsy, challenging thing, which I think it
already will be to some degree, and I don't think it's enough money to,
like, bring that in, you know what I mean? And I… Yeah, it's not like a
$10,000. Yeah, it's not like you're, like, gonna give someone 50 grand or
something and, like, change their life that year. It's like you're gonna
give them, like, $800, and, like, then that will bring, like, a
complication that I don't…
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Council Chambers: know is worth, like… and I do think it's, like, it's an
honor, and it's a CV item, and all the things that it is, and that's
cool, you know what I mean? And in some ways, like, just this…
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Council Chambers: A sort of spirit of, like, an award of this nature.
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Council Chambers: kind of just, in my mind, seems like it's not monetary.
Like, you would just hope that people would
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Council Chambers: try to get funding for a project through our other
avenues or something, right? Or, like, I totally agree with Heidi that
it's like, well, we pay the other people who are artists, technically,
that are support for our event money a proper wage, right?
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Council Chambers: So, you know, we are kind of, like, putting money into
artists' hands, musicians, photographers, you know, so… and the awardee,
the awardee gets to be the star, you know, like, that's pretty tight,
right? Well, and to your point, they could also potentially use, for
their CV, like, they could use that to unlock other funding
opportunities, you know, because they've received it. Dan, what's your
thought?
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Council Chambers: I don't have much to add other than, you know, having
someone photograph a whole event for $100. I'd like to keep that sort of
sentiment behind. And still, you know, we have a history of asking folks,
we don't have much money, who can help us, who can volunteer? As we
become a little more flush with funds, for lack of a better word, to have
a middle ground, nothing that's too outrageous where people are going to
say, well, with that $10,000, I mean, how was this
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Council Chambers: person selected, but more than $100. Right, right. We
should be an entity that sets part of the example.
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Council Chambers: So yeah, okay, go ahead. Again, one of the reasons
that, you know.
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Council Chambers: one of the arguments, I guess, for raising interest?
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Council Chambers: This budget has been, you know, that it's an economic
driver.
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Council Chambers: But anyway, every time…
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Council Chambers: you know, typically with these… with almost every
dollar spent, you're… it's leveraging others that might not have
otherwise happen to happen and expand beyond their experience right now.
The energy, so it adds… I don't know if rewarding in ours.
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Council Chambers: It seems like more something a nonprofit, or some sort
of foundation would do. So, does that mean, Katie, that we can just take
off everything after the word event? I think a lot of notes are just sort
of internal. Oh, I know. Yeah, yeah. So then that brings us up to do
quite a bit with, I mean… Yeah, that's great. Okay, if we don't use it
all, then…
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Council Chambers: Right. Right. And, I mean, that's, like, I mean, we
haven't…
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Council Chambers: We haven't… we can't double-click into that heading
where there could be all these things listed, including, like.
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Council Chambers: hiring, the Golden Pizza creative guys to, like, make
some collateral around the event, like, we could hire an MC, like, we
could really, like, make that a true kickoff, like, capstone part of the
soundtrack thing that makes…
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Council Chambers: Everyone really excited about coming and going and not
being, like, a pretty tacky bit. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: Taxation, locally is very regressive. Right. So, you're
getting higher… more people paying a much higher percentage.
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Council Chambers: So when you give out an ordering, it could be hard
upside down. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: Do you feel like, when you, when you say rewarding, do
you see, like, the event as, I'm just talking about the $1,000 reward
system. Oh, okay. I know it makes sense to… this event in itself.
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Council Chambers: you know, add some more energy. But you're pro… pro
just giving monetary… Well, that'll be the… I don't think I'll be
weighing in too much. No, I'm just interested, I'm trying to understand.
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Council Chambers: It's just the awardees.
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Council Chambers: getting money feels different than supporting, like,
the photographer. I think what is not said is, like, our award this year
is responsive to the nominations we receive, and we are saying, like,
think creatively. It could be an arts organization. So, like, there could
exist a universe where, like.
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Council Chambers: the awardees are arts… all five awardees, for example,
could be, based on nominations, like, our biggest arts organizations in
the community that all have operating budgets over $500,000, like… But
that's a possibility, so it's like…
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Council Chambers: you know, I think we have very, like, we could have… we
could be thinking about this through kind of a romantic lens of, like,
the true struggling artists in our community, when it could be possible…
It's an eccentrum. Right, that's like, $1,000 eccentrum, like… Right. So,
I think that's a… that's a…
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Council Chambers: Yeah, I guess that's maybe, like, the idea of the
event, right? Like, since that's, like, an open, free community event,
too, that is, like, experientially uplifting to, like, people who, like,
maybe, like, monetarily couldn't, like, drove out on going to, like…
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Council Chambers: Yeah, I think that's cool, I agree. Okay, we're gonna
power through a quick staff update, since we did… just an FYI, that the
creative district grant to do a mural at the skate park has been
submitted, we'll find out in February.
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Council Chambers: that funding, which would be very exciting. The work
plan…
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Council Chambers: We just… I put it in here for reference, but we spent
it for overtime.
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Council Chambers: The city manager just sent out, like, a new…
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Council Chambers: kind of thing. They wanted, like, a different… they
wanted this in, like, sort of a different way, and so, I…
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Council Chambers: Where is this one?
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Council Chambers: All right, so at the end of this meeting, Sven will…
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Council Chambers: Which I put together for 2026, which is all really
critical.
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Council Chambers: put that back up there. So there was three… they wanted
those three things that are actually about, like, recommendations to
Council, not sort of, like, broad goals. Right. And so the things that I
came up with, and I guess this is something for the Commission to
probably vote on, you know, is,
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Council Chambers: The Artistic Mural Code Recommendation, so this…
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Council Chambers: a process that has now been begun. You talked about it
in public art committee. I brought the preservation committee yesterday.
It was the first step of, like, it's gonna be many steps of working with
those guys about it.
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Council Chambers: And then we talk about updating the AP4, the Art in
Public Place Policies and Procedures, which has
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Council Chambers: Has happened in a long time, just doing a review of
that, and maybe so there's, like.
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Council Chambers: I don't think the idea is that it needs any major
changes, but maybe it can be slightly more user-friendly, sort of a
little way that some of the other, like, the public art plan and stuff
has been updated. It's a little bit more user-friendly, a little bit more
something that people can, like, look at and understand from a sort of
plain language way.
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Council Chambers: And then the other was just, like, what I put on here
was, yeah, like, 1% for the arts status, and just talking about the
possibilities for the project, and the funds start rolling into that,
which would also often have to go through Council as they
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Council Chambers: you know, come to… into being.
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Council Chambers: Something… someone just said something, though, that I
was like, you need to ask questions me on this, but now I don't.
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Council Chambers: Well, I would, while I'm thinking about it before I
forget, I would say, for number 3, the 1% for the art status,
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Council Chambers: there is policy opportunities there, because Steve King
brought them to us a little bit, like,
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Council Chambers: I don't know where it would fit in, and it might…
hopefully it's not too late, and Adrian's not run away from her. But,
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Council Chambers: I don't know how… I guess 1% for the art opportunities
in policy, because it does seem like, as far as,
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Council Chambers: Steve can flag for us that, like, during the grant
cycle, they… the planning whoever should be scanning for…
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Council Chambers: whether or not the budget needs to, like, pre-include
arts, or post-include arts. Like, there should be some policy around,
like, capital projects having an arts component, or an arts review, or,
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Council Chambers: I don't know, something more than just flagging the
financial amount that's, you know, capturable, and is more about, like,
the actual design of the project itself. There's some… No, please, I…
That refers to that in the current policy procedure manual. - yeah. About
the beginning, the earliest
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Council Chambers: The earliest possible discussion phase that needs to be
on the radar, paraphrasing. Right, right. And so my recommendation would
be about pulling that out of our…
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Council Chambers: you know, it's just so easy for there to be silos, so
it's like, it's nice that it exists in our document over here, but if no
one's looking at that document, or if their policy does not reference
that, you know, like, that is, I guess, a very…
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Council Chambers: So maybe less, like, one of their status. It would be
more like…
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Council Chambers: 1% because of, like, procedural, like, the policy,
rather, right? Like, because there's… we have a code now, ensuring that
all other policies and procedures that would intersect with the 1%
starts.
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Council Chambers: reference, you know, or in some way aware of the 1% of
the art. You need, like, a checklist or something? Yeah. It's listed
under each responsibility to, you know, like, CDC has a responsibility,
we have a responsibility, Council has a responsibility, right? And it's
at the earliest stage to have those discussions. Kind of everybody
watching each other to make sure it's factored in. So maybe more
actionable…
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Council Chambers: wording in there, or more, like, attractive.
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Council Chambers: I can check those back.
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Council Chambers: I feel like Steve would have a better… I mean, I know…
But, like, I feel like he would have a clearer understanding of what I'm
getting at, and I could initiate that conversation.
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Council Chambers: Sure. Well, I think I… I think what was something like,
like, it was something like,
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Council Chambers: Ensure 1% for the arts. Like, ensure 1% for the arts,
like, procedures, like, are aligned with… In policy reading. Are y'all
okay with me just…
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Council Chambers: I guess we have to come up with this language somewhat
today. Might be good.
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Council Chambers: Thank you. You asked him to. I know.
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Council Chambers: Okay, are we gonna… yeah, Marisa? No, we don't have
time to resent, I don't think.
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Council Chambers: I guess a policy goal. Ensure…
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Council Chambers: What about, like, what if it was, what if it was, like…
Here's the documents that were looking modified, I'm looking in the art
and public places policy for sign.
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Council Chambers: like, system refinement, or something like that, you
know? Yeah, for the purposes of this exercise, it could be that,
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Council Chambers: I'm sure…
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Council Chambers: Here this says, the City Department responsible for a
site project, which includes public artwork shall ensure that
documentation for the artwork is provided at the completion of the
project.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, so here, each state department that has
jurisdiction over a site or project will include public art, as
recommended by the committee. They'll consult with the committee at the
earliest possible point in project planning and design to select an
artist or artist to be part of the project design team.
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Council Chambers: Wow, they don't do that.
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Council Chambers: So, but maybe…
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Council Chambers: The only thing about this, like, since that is all in
the art and public policy, whatever, public, public, and since the second
goal includes, like.
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Council Chambers: sort of making maybe ABBPP more actionable, maybe we
just kind of already captured, and that would make it okay, like, not
after we find this…
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Council Chambers: actual language, because what we're talking about is
exactly that. It's, like, taking that document and making it something
that people actually use, as opposed to something that doesn't get used,
and it's already captured there. And I'm happy to help rewrite some
stuff. I'm in a meeting now. I mean, this is… this is a 2020… this is
like a year-long. It's, like, things we're trying to do next year, so…
Would it be too much to ask
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Council Chambers: than just come to an arts commission union.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, I mean, Steve would be the person who can. He
does… I think, actually, so, if…
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Council Chambers: just popping back up for a second to the, I'm gonna
email you. Okay, I have… my sentence is, ensure that 1% for the arts
program is codified within city planning guidelines. Like, I think that's
ultimately what we're trying to get across, is that, like.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, just because it's so easy for our policy
procedure to sit on a shelf and be like, well, yeah, it exists, but,
like.
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Council Chambers: Yeah. When Steve or whoever is sitting together to do
these capital projects, I can't imagine they'd pull every shelf off the…
or every book off the shelf. Be like, is this… does this involve us?
Like, so it should be in there to say, go pull that off the… that's what
I'm getting. So I'll email you that. Okay. It also says the Public Art
Committee, in consultation with the City Department, shall annually
review all city construction and improvement projects.
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Council Chambers: determine which projects should include public art. So,
yeah, and keep that up, because we'll vote on it.
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Council Chambers: We don't want to say it. Okay, okay. So to move back up
a little bit, just to this meeting thing, anything we could also, vote on
at the same time, so we have a preview meeting schedule, something we
should do today.
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Council Chambers: So I took last year… this year's meeting schedule, and
what we've actually done, and tried to kind of combine one into something
that made sense to me.
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Council Chambers: first meeting in January, like, you know, the first
part of the year, a lot of Arts Awards stuff, but also, you know, making
sure the grant criteria doesn't need any new changes, for the marked
round, and,
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Council Chambers: Looking at the public art plan, because that's
something that's supposed to be reviewed annually.
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Council Chambers: In March, it is a funding meeting, and because it
would… it'll be after the Arts Awards, we can launch the 2027
nominations, so that people can have basically all year nominations. We
talked about having it open all year.
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Council Chambers: In April, a visit from the Poet Laureate, and also
talking about where neural policy is, because… long-term thing between…
well, it doesn't… if we… if… if it is the desire of the condition to have
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Council Chambers: the possibility of murals and street painting within
the historic district. That's going to be a long process.
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Council Chambers: if the Commission is like, let's just do them
everywhere else, then it could be a shorter run. So that's just something
to think about. We can get deeper into that later. May is when, sort of,
the budgeting and work planning
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Council Chambers: sort of gets going for 2026. Isn't crazy? It's like, we
just started 2026! But, so, and that's, that's, you know, that's aligned
with this, process of submitting a work plan up to Council, and that,
that whole process starts over the summer. That's what May looks like.
June, another grant funding meeting.
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Council Chambers: July, like, a mid-year review and looking at the
budget, because we'll be halfway through the year. And then in August, I
added something which I thought might be a good exercise for the
committee, and has been come up a bunch of times, but it's, like, a
meeting basically just focused on PTAC internal processes.
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Council Chambers: recruitment, like.
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Council Chambers: refreshing on, like, open public meetings, refreshing
on Robert Jules' order, and, you know, just sort of a little bit of time
to make sure that, like, everyone on the commission is operating with the
same understanding of what we're doing together as a body. I think that
that's also, like, I think that's just a healthy thing to do in general.
Yeah, camping.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, okay, August. 3pm to 5 p.m. Lonnie will bring the
owl. September is a grant funding meeting. October, another visit for the
Poet Laureate, I think twice is what we talked about, and that'd be nice.
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Council Chambers: 2027 planning sort of kicks off in the fall, and yeah,
then it all kind of starts over again, and then in November, visit from
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Council Chambers: Steve from Public Works to look at what funding is
anticipated to come in to the, Municipal Arts Fund, what projects are on
the books, and stuff like that, the December and annual review. I think
there's actually… I think the public art meeting earlier in the year…
sorry, you have to walk you through.
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Council Chambers: There was another Times… Where there's an idea that,
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Council Chambers: I thought there was a time earlier in the year that
there was an idea that, Public Works would come visit and talk about. Oh,
it's the budget creation. Budget. Okay.
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Council Chambers: Yeah. Maybe it's number 7. That is kind of when Steve
has come, historically, his engine here, I feel like. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: Am I wrong?
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Council Chambers: Or May.
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Council Chambers: Anyhow, maybe it was just the one time. But yes, I
mean, we can obviously invite Steve other times, but, you know, that was…
it was just…
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Council Chambers: to… to make, you know, to make sure that we know. And,
you know, I think actually later in the year is good, because they're…
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Council Chambers: if there's projects that closed down 26, we'll know
what that actual number is, and if there's things on this docket for 27,
we'll know, you know, those will be more known. So, cool. So that is the
idea, that's the meeting, and then,
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Council Chambers: And then, yeah, these priorities, which will be rolled
up into a different sort of a process alongside the work plan that was
already created earlier in the year. And I think the idea is to update
them to, say, Artistic Mural Code Recommendation to Council.
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Council Chambers: Update of art and public places policies and procedures
recommendation to Council, and then insure 1% for the arts program.
Program is codified within city planning guidelines.
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Council Chambers: Oh, okay.
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Council Chambers: How many people are on the historical?
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Council Chambers: societies. I think there's 6 or 7. 6 or 7 is the way to
say it. Six there yesterday. In a similar kind of body like we do? They
do. I wouldn't call it… yeah, I mean, similar in format, not similar in
spirit. It's interesting, because they're actually, like, advisory to the
planning.
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Council Chambers: department, and not advisory to Council, and they look
at a lot of these specific requests from, like, people in the Historic
District about doing specific modifications to their homes, and they,
like.
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Council Chambers: you know, review that against, like, a ton of criteria
that's set at, like, a local, state, and national level. It's kind of…
it's a different… it's really quite different. It was interesting, I
haven't been before. That's cool.
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Council Chambers: There is two openings on the city, or there will be in
January, two openings on the City's Planning Commission, so it could be
cool to have a, like, really arts-focused lens sitting on the Planning
Commission, so… And there's vacancies on the historic, reservation
community as well.
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Council Chambers: Crazy.
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Council Chambers: I don't think… I don't know that Planning Commission
does, as much as they help shape the policies that they look at later.
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Council Chambers: But, I don't know, in any internal meetings before the
end of the year, like, if there's an opportunity, like, maybe we don't
have to all be on every commission. If we share commissioners of mine,
you know, like… Oh, good. Yeah, that's a good, that's a good question.
Yeah, it would not be bad.
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Council Chambers: As we move through this process of trying to kind of
come down to some…
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Council Chambers: shared policies, like, the street paintings policy is,
like, in ordinance, like, a shared responsibility between HC and PDAC,
and it's actually written into the ordinance. They're like, you guys
could meet together to discuss these things. So, like, there's, like, you
know, throughout this process, perhaps, at that meeting, like.
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Council Chambers: in April, or whenever I scheduled it, there could be,
like, some more cross-pollination. I love that idea. That aligns with our
new trend for…
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Council Chambers: Yeah, that's right. Yeah. It would be so educational to
sit in a lot of those. I know, right? Well, all those things are just
like ours. Where we can't… I mean, tonight, or, you know, yeah, it's a
sleepless night. You're welcome to go online and watch the meeting, the
agenda. Yeah, no, I mean, it would not be bad, I mean, if you…
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Council Chambers: if any of y'all wanted to see what I presented to them,
because… I mean, we'll talk about it more this afternoon, but just to
see… and to see their… we'll talk about it… That was yesterday. Yeah,
just to see what their, you know…
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Council Chambers: like, perspective on things was. In the context of the
mural stuff? Yeah, we didn't even get the mural stuff, we just talked
about 3 baying. Fast forward.
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Council Chambers: That's true. You can skip the whole part where they did
a long presentation about what patterns the sidewalks on Laura Street
should have.
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Council Chambers: I was like, wow. Hey, somebody's got it. Yeah,
somebody's got it. Okay. So, we need to vote on that work plan and
meeting schedule. So, the specific language Katie used for number 3, and
the schedule. Do we all… do you have a motion?
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Council Chambers: I can make the motion. Okay, so I will motion that we
approve the 2026 meeting schedule that's proposed in our package today,
as well as the, work plan…
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Council Chambers: supplement that…
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Council Chambers: solidifies our priorities for 2026 as, number one,
Artistic Mural Code of Recommendations to Council, number two, update of
art and public places policies and procedures recommendations to Council,
and three, ensure the 1% for the arts program is codified within city
planning guidelines.
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Council Chambers: Okay, the motion. Thank you, Heidi. All in favor of
this motion?
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Council Chambers: Yeah, thank you, Lonnie. That motion passes, and we can
move on to the soundtrack. Okay, yeah, so I just… there's a little,
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Council Chambers: soundcheck kind of review in here, or, like, just a
little overview. Just thought it would be cool to give you guys a…
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Council Chambers: update on where things were at, which is that I think
they're going really well. I think it's coming together, and it's gonna
be cool.
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Council Chambers: the fairgrounds is super excited about hosting, you
know, art awards. We should probably… that subcommittee should probably
meet at some point soon, so we can get some details lined up if we want
to, like, a musician line, you know, like…
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Council Chambers: all the things we're talking about, spending that money
on, started, like, putting some… start putting this together. But yeah, I
don't… some of this stuff has moved forward a little bit, and I'd be
happy to actually send out, like, an update to everyone.
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Council Chambers: But, we love your update. Yeah, but it's, it's cool. I
think it's, I think it's coming together nicely, and…
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Council Chambers: It's gonna be a good time.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, so I'm not going to spend that much chat, because
we'll spend more time on it in the future, but if people have questions,
they can always reach out. I'm happy to chat anytime. Cool. Yeah. Then
we'll move on to workgroup updates and start with the Arts Awards.
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Council Chambers: We are moving forward with it. We have our maker, who
is working on it,
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Council Chambers: We have sort of talked about, like, having it on a base
or not having it on a base, but that communication has been…
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Council Chambers: semi-challenging. I feel like the, Tori who's making
the awards, like, wants to complete one, and, we floated the idea of
spending some of the remaining budget that we have on something like a
wooden base with text on it or whatever. I…
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Council Chambers: quoted that idea to her, she said wood might be hard to
stick to ceramic, and I just kind of felt like she's… I was like, you
know, let's… my opinion was, let her make the first award, and then if
we're, like.
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Council Chambers: oh my god, we need some kind of base we can
troubleshoot after we've seen what she's making. And also, I think I let
her know that, like, what we're looking for is just…
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Council Chambers: text, and, you know what I mean, information on the
ward, yeah, so… I have a feeling that she could potentially even, like,
solve for our needs in the work, or in some way. To hit it on the front
end and design the ceramic piece to have a, like, a receiver for
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Council Chambers: mounting device or something, you know? Yeah. Because
it will be tabletop anyway, right? Right. Like, the… Yeah, it's not… it's
not a wall hanging design. It's hollow.
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Council Chambers: Hollow, I don't know, so it doesn't need a base. It's a
ceramic, it's made out of ceramic, and it's, like, it's based on, like,
aquatic plant life, is what it looked like.
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Council Chambers: Even though it's, like, semi-abstracted, so it's
cooler, and they're cool.
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Council Chambers: We could still do, I mean, a certificate… We could,
yeah. …that's separate from the piece. Right, absolutely. I mean, it's
not so much a trophy as much as it's a… do you know what I mean? I would
much prefer to display, like, non, like, branded inspire on my shelf than
something with, like… That's kind of criticism I've had of the art
markers, is they, like, stamped what they are.
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Council Chambers: who explained the art aren't right. But we could do the
nice thing we did last year with the Arts Awards, where we did a
certificate and a pretty acrylic block.
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Council Chambers: Sure, yeah, that's a great idea. And then have it be a
separate… Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Cool. Or, like, a big check. Yeah. It's,
yeah, it could be. For, like, no money, though. Does the check cost you
more than…
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Council Chambers: any other… so we'll get the Arts Award people together
for another meeting before… maybe before our next… our January meeting?
Yeah, if it was before the January meeting, I'd probably have to be…
yeah, it'd have to be this month, which I don't know if people are
really… Well, we'll put together an email thread and find out. Good job,
subcommittee. Yeah, but any other… No, yeah, I think the main thing for
that… well, there's… I mean, there's lots of…
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Council Chambers: time to figure out stuff, especially now that we have
sort of a budget for 2026 to support it, which is really exciting, but
just to let Tori know that she has to invoice us and get that stuff done.
She knows that. I'll reiterate that again. I just feel like I'm trying to
balance, like, not, like, spamming her too hard. Yeah, she knows. She's
fine, it's fine.
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Council Chambers: I saw her at that thing. Oh, did you? Yeah, totally.
I'll bug her when I see her. Yeah. Okay, cool. And then… Totally. My
other agenda point for this is to continue,
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Council Chambers: Asking for nominations. Yes. So, I did Facebook.
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Council Chambers: I think Ben did Facebook, or… well, I did, I did it on
the Facebook. I was brave, and I went on the page and posted it there. I
know. So if you also would like to post on the dark web above our awards,
just kidding, but, like, next to it. Yeah, yeah, so the question in the
packet today says, what one specific action leads
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Council Chambers: take as a commissioner to engage your network. You
don't have to answer, and… I just put it in there because I was feeling
freaked out when I read it. Yeah, just,
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Council Chambers: just, would you like to set an example for the class?
No, you don't have to be, but if there's… I was pushing people in the
bar, I'm gonna try to get it out after they're more… But also, you can
now… I would say that another specific action we could all take is to
encourage people to save the date and plan to attend the party, and start
hyping the party, which will also…
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Council Chambers: feed the nominations, so we start hyping this party
that we have a real budget for, that is gonna be cool, that's gonna be a
celebration of all local artists, and we can sort of
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Council Chambers: start the FOMO of my, pre-party FOMO. I'm really sad
that I missed this party. Cool. Okay, so let's get on to this, because it
seems like there's some… Yeah, the juiciness in public art is, I guess,
tell us about your meeting, yeah.
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Council Chambers: So, okay, okay, well, super quick, Dan and Joshua are
working on this maintenance kit. Is there any… do you guys have any
updates you want to add to that? I made a folder, invited you to it. Yes,
I have seen the folder. I am in the process of adding the
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Council Chambers: particular sculptures that I'm responsible for is
needs. I have reviewed the maintenance plan, and I'm sort of, like, going
through, like, what will go in the boxes. That public art maintenance
bible that you've generated, very helpful, so we understand it's a
December need, so you can expense things in December. Yeah. Awesome.
We're meeting here in…
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Council Chambers: For two weeks as well, right? I think so. Yeah.
Michael's have it done by then. Yeah, great, and they,
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Council Chambers: I heard from,
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Council Chambers: the Parks Department, that they order the sealant, and
they're on that. Great. That's cool, that's really cool. And we talked
about waiting until the lighting feature is out of the park.
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Council Chambers: And getting that. Yeah, when's that come in? Like,
February or something, January. That's great. That's, like, I guess, my
year in review. I think that's really cool. I think it's… so that's
happened… Good thing it's not a nativity thing.
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Council Chambers: No, not the plan. So… I should review that.
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Council Chambers: And, yeah, so that's… yeah, so that's all good, and
then I… because we have a couple of months, maybe, before the… that
sculpture is back in place, I was gonna look into also getting, like, the
plaque made, so they could go in at the same time. Cool. Cool, cool,
that's cool. So we'd spend some of the budget on the plaque, I assume.
Next. Or is that Parks?
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Council Chambers: No, but it could be… it could be from next year's
budget. Or also, even from the Municipal Arts Fund. Now has, like, a few
hundred dollars in the project. Yeah. Oh, can I share the exciting news?
Our Christmas present, is that we got two new pieces of public art.
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Council Chambers: -Oh. Yeah, so Mary Luce and I reached out to Mary Lou
Sinelli about the two poems, and they actually had been… her story,
explained that they had been sided with city staff support and help,
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Council Chambers: Yeah, it was a while ago, but anyways, those should be
officially added to our collection, so… I've only seen the one by Aldrix.
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Council Chambers: Aldrich's? Aldrich's, I mean… Well, that one's on
private property, so that's art in public places, but there's one by the
Bell Tower, which is cool. That iconography is being used a lot in our
branding, and there's also one in Adams Street Park. Oh, we add them to
our maintenance.
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Council Chambers: I don't think we have to at this… we'll get more than
this year. It's just on our… it's on the agenda. There's been other
things that have taken precedence a little bit, but, well, yes, they're
ready to… 2026. Yeah, when we do the public…
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Council Chambers: art plan update next year, that would be, I think, a
good time. Yeah, there's a perfect surviving medium. So between now and
whenever that was, April, also keep your eyes peeled for other secret,
hidden pieces of public art that could be brought into the world.
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Council Chambers: Okay, so yeah, so… so, there's two things here that,
the first that I,
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Council Chambers: brought to HPC because I, as a,
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Council Chambers: Because I feel like it has been a priority for PTAC and
broadly, to deal with, like.
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Council Chambers: how to get, like, a system for painting murals in this
town, like, happening, and also because there… in 2021, Council passed an
ordinance that allows street painting
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Council Chambers: But no one has been able to take advantage of it
because there hasn't really been a system that has, like, given all,
like, access to actually making this thing happen.
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Council Chambers: So I'm sort of trying to tackle both of those things. I
started with the street painting thing, because there's already an
ordinance in place, there's code that says it's possible, and I've been
working to try to put together a system that allows
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Council Chambers: The idea is eventually there should be… there'll be,
like, a smart gov permit, like, you'll get a permit the same way that you
would do an addition to your home or something like that from the city
that you'll be able to do online.
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Council Chambers: And it has to go through a bunch of different steps.
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Council Chambers: Based specifically on what the code says. I took this
document to HPC this week to ask them how they felt about it. There was
some confusion about whether the code was, like, a permanent statute.
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Council Chambers: And, also whether these apply to just permanent or
temporary projects.
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Council Chambers: It is a permanent statute, and it applies to permanent
projects. And HBC was a little bit surprised about that. Their take on it
was that
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Council Chambers: any temporary project they were okay with. It lasted
less than 6 months, they basically were like, doesn't have to come to us.
We're fine, like, do whatever you feel like doing.
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Council Chambers: half of the committee actually was like, we would never
allow permitted street painting anywhere inside the historic story. Just
a no-go. And then we had a longer discussion about it, and it became
something… it was basically, like.
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Council Chambers: we would allow it, but it's gonna be, like, an
extremely high bar to pass, and what we didn't get to discuss was what
that bar looks like, because the Historic Preservation Committee doesn't
actually have jurisdiction over, like.
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Council Chambers: the artwork. You know what I mean? Like, they wouldn't
actually… like, they don't… and neither does PDAC, honestly, on some
level, like, the, like, artwork itself is… like, you can't judge it on
content, except for this public forum.
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Council Chambers: this modified public forum guidelines, which are, like,
basically it should meet community standards of, like, violence and,
like, graphic sexuality and stuff like that, but you're not like, I like
it, I don't like it.
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Council Chambers: That's not just by APC's job, or PTAC's job, in…
generally. As far as a barrier to entry, yes. However, once it's created,
there is the clause that if there's, like, a strong public visceral
negative reaction, which is subjective, but to public art, then we… then
we do have, right? I think that's what you mean. Yeah, that's APP, that's
APP.
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Council Chambers: Okay, but for the time being, the idea is basically…
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Council Chambers: And so… so anyway, so what that very high bar for what
this would look like within the, within the, historic…
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Council Chambers: district, and also whether HTC actually kind of has
broad, like, peanut butter
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Council Chambers: jurisdiction over the whole district is not 100% clear.
So those are two big questions that we're gonna have to, like, work
through and, like, sort of, like, tease out through this process to get
to a place where
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Council Chambers: Street painting, it can happen, but, like, historic
overlays.
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Council Chambers: However, sorry. However, anywhere else in the city, the
process is relatively straightforward. Like, and so if you, like, it…
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Council Chambers: The, you know, if someone wanted to do a project
somewhere else, it would go to…
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Council Chambers: Public Works, who would assess it for safety. They
would also be the place that they would get, that would give advice on,
like, materials.
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Council Chambers: it can't be slippery, like, it can't damage the
environment, whatever. They're the… they're the safety experts, and
that's a safety question, right? And then PPAC would review it against
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Council Chambers: these, like, limited public forum guidelines, and
basically also could give some feedback on design. Like, you know, you
might want to think about
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Council Chambers: changing it this way, because it would probably be more
successful. But it's not, like, a yes or no, necessarily, thing. And then
it would go to Council. And both of these things count. It's not an
administrative planning
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Council Chambers: department approval or a Public Works approval. City
Council is the final approving mechanism for both of these things. So
City Council could override HBC and could override PTAC, should it choose
to do so. So, yeah. So that's the… that's those… those… that's where we
stand.
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Council Chambers: Yes. Can I ask… is it the entire downtown, all the way
down to Northwest Maritime? Like, what's the boundary of any shore? It's…
it's all the way to the shore here, up past, up over Lawrence, Oregon
Hill, yeah, down Lawrence, like, up higher than, like, up to the high
school, maybe, up Lawrence Street?
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Council Chambers: And then… and then it kind of shrinks down and then
curves around Water Street, yeah. It carved out your house. Right, it's,
like, behind… it kind of, like, goes up almost the end of Lawrence, but,
like, not the co-op, right? And then back around to, like, this part of
Water Street.
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Council Chambers: Yeah, in… not that I want to open this can of worms,
but you know me. In the discussion over where their jurisdiction is,
like.
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Council Chambers: you know, the street isn't historic, or, like, say the
traffic light, like, should it be one of those old-fashioned little,
like, mechanical ones, or, like, you think it's stuff that has stuck
around since…
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Council Chambers: the old days, whereas we repave lots of times,
sidewalks are all brought up. Well, they actually do… every paving
project, everything goes through HBC.
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Council Chambers: That's what was presented at the meeting before I did,
was that they're repaving Warren Street, and they're repaving the
sidewalks, and HBC was consulting on all of those changes.
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Council Chambers: Yeah. So… They, they generally…
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Council Chambers: are understood to have jurisdiction over the
streetscape in the historic district. My understanding is there's some
question about whether that's actually the correct use of an historic
preservation, and that's something that they're working through with the
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Council Chambers: But it would be CD, but that's not my fault. So with
something that's 6 months, is that where… was that just a random term for
what temporary is defined as? 6 months? Yeah.
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Council Chambers: Lindsey, who is the staff liaison, asked, what's
temporary to you is that?
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Council Chambers: I was, like, 49 and a half years, but the city manager
had the ability to approve temporary screen.
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Council Chambers: painting throughout the year. Yeah. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: So, yeah, 6 months was relatively arbitrary, and could…
I think it would be reasonable to go back and say, like, how… this is the
length that we'd like temporary projects to be, or whatever, you know,
like, that there's room to discuss, Ithink.
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Council Chambers: what temporary is. It's not based on anything so
specific, in my understanding. Oh, that's… yeah.
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Council Chambers: So that's… anyway, so that's where things stand. I
think that, like, there's gonna be some…
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Council Chambers: just going back and forth about, like, where the edges
of all of this stuff is, right? Like, where's the edge of whose role and
responsibility, and how do we get to a place where everyone feels good
about, like… you know… I don't think there's, like… I don't think it's
wrong to say that, like, within this… the historic district.
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Council Chambers: there's a bar that's maybe higher, and there's maybe
more parameters. Like, that's not totally wrong. Like, you could, like…
but I think deciding what those are, and making sure that they actually
work for artists who want to partake in the process, and work for people
who are concerned about, I don't know, like.
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Council Chambers: too much paint on the street, or whatever it is, like,
you know, that there's… or that, you know, something that doesn't sort of
feel like it fits correctly in this particular environment, and that kind
of thing. Besides the City Council being able to veto…
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Council Chambers: Start regulations. Yeah.
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Council Chambers: what's the system of checks and balances? Like, what is
balancing out their, like, conservatism, or… Well, I mean, I think the
system that we set up is, like, I think the way that that has to work is
that our police have, sort of, like, pretty clear guidelines about what
their
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Council Chambers: weighing in on what they're allowed to keep their
jurisdiction. So the idea that somewhere in some, like, dusty filing
cabinet, it lays out what their jurisdiction is, and it's just been
forgotten? So we just have to find that, and then…
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Council Chambers: bring them back to, like, yeah, not least, but yeah.
So, it kind of seems like they have more of a strict
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Council Chambers: prescribed rules to follow, whereas we have, luckily,
this last term, where a little bit of subjectivity, we can
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Council Chambers: Somewhat, yes, I think that's… They have less so than
we do. Well, I think, I mean, you know, everything's subjective at the
end of the day, right, on some level, but I think that because the Arts
Commission's general jurisdiction covers
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Council Chambers: art, if people are creating… though I will say that one
of the things that the council did was take the word at art out of the
entire ordinance. It just talks about painting. It's street painting, as
opposed to, like, street art, because, like.
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Council Chambers: there was the idea… and I… I don't exactly know. Maybe
a performance or something. Yeah, well, I think… I think it was just it,
because maybe it was less subjective or something, but,
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Council Chambers: They're… yes, that… because this body is concerned with
the arts specifically, and these are projects that, like, fall under that
umbrella generally, there's, like, more of a…
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Council Chambers: like, I mean, the relationship between what actually
ends up on the street or whatever, I think it's, like, slightly
different, right? But it's still relatively rapid. It's not, like… And
because we've said before, we don't want to be, like, the body of, like,
endless clipboards of, like, how many rooms do you have to jump right to
do this thing? That's part of it, also.
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Council Chambers: Who, who, who would be responsible, like, if, if the,
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Council Chambers: If the jurisdiction and the, like, boundaries that the…
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Council Chambers: HPC, was responsible for, like, who, who would evaluate
those boundaries if they were ever re-evaluated? Like, if, if, like, the
idea was, like, maybe, like, historic downtown or the historic district
doesn't, like.
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Council Chambers: like, what you were saying, like, the streets have been
redone, it's like, it's… maybe it's not the streets up there, but, like,
maybe on Water Street, it's like, it makes a lot of sense, right? Well, I
think it's beyond HBC, I think it's because the city of Port Townsend or
this historic district, is part of the National Registry of Historic
Places, so that… that's a national registry that defines those
boundaries, so that would have to be…
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Council Chambers: really settled on, like, a foundation on when those
boundaries were drawn, at, like, what point in time. I mean, what I've
learned through this process somewhat is actually that, like, local
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Council Chambers: jurisdictions, like local city HPCs, like, do not have
to have the same boundaries as national… like, and they're actually
supposed to be kind of less
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Council Chambers: Comprehensive. Comprehensive, yeah. They're supposed to
really only be concerned with, like.
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Council Chambers: Buildings on… We're gonna get to that skylight bed.
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Council Chambers: You know, like, they're, like, they're actually
supposed to be, like, they're not supposed to…
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Council Chambers: there's… yeah, they're supposed to be… have more, like,
kind of limited scope. Right, because it makes sense. I mean, that's a
huge… like, if we're going all the way to the high school from where
we're currently standing, like, it makes a lot more sense for their focus
to be, essentially, like, the kind of mainstream footprint of downtown
and uptown, and kind of the commercial district, versus…
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Council Chambers: I'm gonna say it, not anyone else is gonna say it, but,
like, almost like a little community HOA, which is, like, I don't know if
that's… It does feel that way. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's an open question
that…
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Council Chambers: people are… that they're working through right now is
trying to sort of figure out where that… those… where the right
boundaries for all those things are. And it's, you know, I mean, it's
just one of those things where, like.
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Council Chambers: things progress in a certain way for a long time, and
then all of a sudden you realize that, like, the mission creep has been
pretty big. Right, right. Yeah. And, you know, I don't think it's all
done with, like, people really trying to do what's right. Yeah, yeah.
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Council Chambers: Go ahead, Dr. Yes. Interesting question, and I suppose
that the newly, proposed
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Council Chambers: mural project in Skate Park is gonna land dead in their
jurisdiction? It's an interesting question. I think, you know, one of the
reasons I wanted to start this conversation now was to try to smooth a
path for that project, should it be funded, to have, like, the
opportunity to happen, you know what I mean?
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Council Chambers: So we'll… we'll see. I… I… I would hope that there
would be a path
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Council Chambers: on, like, a skate park that was built in 2006 that's,
like, you know, not historic. Definitely not historic, that we could
figure out a way to make that. You know what I mean? Maybe that's the
content of the murals, it's all, like, Victorian, painted by kids with
that. Although we can't regulate the content. But so it's interesting,
yeah, I mean, that's one of the reasons…
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Council Chambers: I thought.
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Council Chambers: There's many reasons. One is that there's been a
strong, strong call for the community around murals, and wanting to have
the opportunity to do murals. And then…
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Council Chambers: And then one was because I was like, I'd like to…
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Council Chambers: Or another reason was because I was like, I'd like to
start this conversation, so if we get that funding, it's not like, oh, we
haven't even talked about this, like, what are you talking about? We're
never gonna, you know? So, and I think there's some wiggle room, I mean,
like, the fence happened? They know, I don't know. I think that there's…
and I actually think on some level, murals is gonna be…
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Council Chambers: like, an easier one than street painting in a certain
way. I feel like street painting is kind of like, why? What? Like, people
don't… it doesn't totally make sense. I mean, you rarely see it. On some
level, I think, to people, but a mural is, like, a pretty…
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Council Chambers: like, understood, like, form, right? And so… And murals
have been done historically here. And murals have been done historically
here. It's not like a brand new palette, or like a brand new canvas, you
know? So I'm actually… I'm hopeful that that might be an easier palette.
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Council Chambers: And it's the same thing if it's just like, well, we're
gonna have a high bar. Like, there's… that's not the worst thing in the
world. I mean, I'm pro-high bar for, like, the downtown historical
district, to be honest. Like, I think, like, murals just to, like, have
murals, like, often goes pretty, like.
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Council Chambers: South, in my opinion, you know what I mean? Like,
living in other cities, I've seen, like, murals for murals' sake just be
sort of, like, aesthetically, like, hazardous, you know what I mean?
Where it's like, well, that was a beautiful building, but now it's
covered in this, you know what I mean? I get, like, why you would want to
keep four towns in. Like, I might sound like a square saying that, but I
get it. I get it, you know what I mean? No, I think he's a teacher member
of HPC.
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Council Chambers: Like, no angel wing, like, no more angel wings,
stations, you know what I mean? Like, dude, like, it's just haggard, and
it's, like, everywhere, but, like, if it's good, you know, which is, I
guess, where we get to come in, in some ways, yeah.
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Council Chambers: That's an excellent segue into Arthur. Yeah, so I don't
know that there's any action to be taken on this right now, except…
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Council Chambers: I mean… at some point, I think what makes the most
sense would be to
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Council Chambers: I, like, will come back with something more…
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Council Chambers: you know, this packet was made before I went to HPC,
just because of how, like, timing and stuff, right? So I will come back
with something more comprehensive about, like, the changes that… or,
like, the feedback that they had, and then PTAC will be able to maybe
weigh in with
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Council Chambers: your own feedback, and we'll, you know, continue to
work on it in the Public Art Committee, and we'll just keep moving this
process forward. And, you know, I think
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Council Chambers: I am learning a lot about HPC and about these things
and this kind of stuff, so… but there's also the pathway, again, of,
like, what happens outside the historic district, and I think we could,
like.
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Council Chambers: look at this carefully and say, like, do we feel good
about how it looks for outside there? And just say that part's, like,
pretty good, which would be nice, because we could kind of, like, knock
that off.
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Council Chambers: Hey, well, you know, be like, cool, outside the storage
district, this is how we're gonna roll, and inside it, we have to, like,
tease out these more. So, like, doing two steps, two stages? Well, I
mean, just as… just as we're thinking about it, I think, think about it
in those two… in those two ways, so that we kind of say… and…
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Council Chambers: one might… maybe one changes a little bit as the other
one changes, but it's just… just to think about. There's, like, these…
there are going to be two systems that are related, but separate.
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Council Chambers: Yes, and I would just, as we're all thinking about
that, and bringing those, like, maybe as we think about how we engage
that conversation moving forward, like.
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Council Chambers: I think something I hear a lot from the arts community
is that people in this community feel
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Council Chambers: physically pushed out, and so… We should be mindful of,
like.
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Council Chambers: codifying that, like, literally, like, oh, right, you
can be artist and you can be creative, but not in dance, you know what I
mean? That's the thing that I hear a lot, is like, a lot of people can't
even afford to live in the city limits at this point, so, like, how far
out do you have to go in order to do creative on things? Like, I think
that's maybe something to just highlight for…
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Council Chambers: the Historic Preservation Committee, who may not be
seeing it through that lens of, like.
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Council Chambers: Well, this is the economic beat.
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Council Chambers: Right. This is where the commerce is happening, and the
opportunities are happening, and the money is being exchanged.
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Council Chambers: And I, I said, I did, I actually, I, I said something
along those lines. Yeah. Those are kind of, this is, you know, I was
like, you know, we, like, have to make some room for this kind of thing
to happen, essentially. Like, it's, like, the, like, this, like, people
don't feel supported, right? Like, that needs to change. Take it off the
sign, and you're not. Right, yeah, right, yeah.
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Council Chambers: So yeah, so I think, you know, I think there'll be
some…
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Council Chambers: pushed and pulled, and I think that's good, and I think
these are all good points to make, and I think coming back and saying,
like.
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Council Chambers: high bar's fine, but, like, you know, these are the
concerns. Like, we don't want artists to feel like they're not welcome
here. We don't want people to feel like they don't have these
opportunities, so we have to find a path that, like.
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Council Chambers: meets that criteria, but isn't just, like, it's never
gonna happen, right? Like, that kind of thing, it isn't, like… Everything
happening right now with this fence, and the housing, it's just… it's
really a great kind of business. Yeah, did they… did HPC have any
thoughts just offhand about… did they have any comments or thoughts about
events?
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Council Chambers: So, okay, so, second piece of information here is
basically,
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Council Chambers: mural… this is a new… this would be a new proposed code
that does not yet exist as important now about how to create artistic
murals. There's a very comprehensive mural sign code that was written in,
like, 2000… in 1993, and then, I think, updated in 2004.
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Council Chambers: But it doesn't talk about artistic murals. It says,
like, you will talk about those later. It has a lot of rules about mural
signs, which are, like, painted advertisements, right? Including, like,
ghost murals, don't mess with them, and
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Council Chambers: the Public Art Committee has discussed this, so… and
gone back and forth a little bit. The two main things that I think are
working through.
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Council Chambers: discussing, or whatever. And again, this will be an
ongoing conference is,
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Council Chambers: Dan suggested the idea of including, like, mosaics and
friezes and other kind of two-dimensional works, like, that are sort of
mere little light into this code. I think that that's a thing worth
discussing. And then the other…
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Council Chambers: piece of it was just the current code, or the current…
yeah, the only piece about murals right now says that they're on…
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Council Chambers: buildings?
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Council Chambers: And I would think it might be worth expanding that to
say they're on, like, built structures. Yeah. So, like, the fence, or the
skate park, or whatever. And so, and then this is a code that I got from
Ellensburg, the city of Ellensburg.
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Council Chambers: that felt like there was a lot of alignment, because
they have sort of the historic character and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah. And just made some kind of notes in it, essentially.
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Council Chambers: HP… we did not get a chance to talk about this at HPC,
they hadn't looked at it or anything yet, so,
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Council Chambers: I think, again, this might be just something for you
all to take some time with, and then we'll continue to discuss it and
move through the process, and…
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Council Chambers: I'll have to go back to them with it. This also has
sort of a similar thing, where there's, like, a
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Council Chambers: piece of it is just, like, about murals generally, and
then there's a piece of it about murals in the historic district. So… We
spend some time reading this. Yeah, sometimes, yeah, yeah, some light
reading, you know.
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Council Chambers: What I like about this is that it has the same
component as the street painting, that imagery that may be inappropriate.
Yeah, that's right. And that gives us that… that little review window
that…
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Council Chambers: First of all, you know. You mentioned that, yeah.
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Council Chambers: And from a, you know, a community that has a lot of
public art, but also a pretty conservative
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Council Chambers: So, Ellensburg? Yeah. Yeah. As a former Ellensburg
resident, I feel comfortable saying that, so, yeah. There's a part of it…
I'll just, I'll scroll down here really quick. There's a piece of it in
here that this is, like, in the current mural sign code that talks about,
sort of, recent murals.
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Council Chambers: that are not, like, actual historic murals, but because
now they kind of are, because they're only 50 years old. I think at the
time they weren't.
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Council Chambers: So, that's a, like, kind of a weird fuzzy area, but,
like, I'm suggesting that there's…
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Council Chambers: room to paint over some materials. I don't think they
need to stay forever, and I think I'd like to figure out a way to get to
yes on that, so that they, you know, that there's some…
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01:21:06.730 --> 01:21:19.310
Council Chambers: There's only so many walls! There's only so many walls.
I mean, blank, like, unpainted brick walls, we're never gonna paint. I
was really happy to see that. But besides that, it's kind of like, maybe
there's…
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01:21:19.810 --> 01:21:43.529
Council Chambers: I would have agreed with this, like, earlier in the
email exchange, I just, like, as being, like, a new resident to town, I
just don't know, like, the sentimental value of, like, this list to the
degree that I feel, like, comfortable being like, yeah, that should be
painted over, you know what I mean? Yeah, totally. I don't… I think some
of these don't even exist anymore, honestly, because I just copied the
list. I have to, like, go try to find them.
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01:21:43.530 --> 01:21:51.540
Council Chambers: At some point, and update this. Some of them I
definitely know exist. But, like, the children's mural? Is that a thing?
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01:21:52.200 --> 01:22:01.999
Council Chambers: I think that had to be on the extension of the former
cotton building. I think that's it, right, that's on there. So when…
what's the timeline for revisiting and deciding?
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01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:20.059
Council Chambers: By our next meeting, we'll talk about it again. Yeah,
well, we'll talk about Public Art Committee again, and then I think it's
on the agenda for February, I think, maybe? What's that? Yeah, so… Is
that everything? No. Grants. Okay, okay. So, I put together…
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01:22:20.440 --> 01:22:35.520
Council Chambers: friends, a, little summary of all the grants that have
gone out this year, so I thought that might be fun to see. Very visual,
right? Yeah. And on Alexis' request, I tried to sort of categorize them a
little bit, kind of see…
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01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:41.059
Council Chambers: The different things that have gotten, you know, more
attention or less attention, perhaps, than others.
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Council Chambers: Things,
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01:22:42.980 --> 01:22:55.279
Council Chambers: And… This is sort of an outside one, but, like, with
the color, you can see that it's actually quite balanced, like, which is
pretty neat, like, because one of our questions has been, like, do we
want…
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01:22:55.280 --> 01:23:03.409
Council Chambers: Yeah. To go genre-specific with our grant cycles, and,
like, it seems cool that we have a pretty healthy, like, text mix every
time.
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01:23:03.410 --> 01:23:07.190
Council Chambers: Yeah, I thought so… I thought so too. I actually
thought this was kind of neat, like…
448
01:23:08.490 --> 01:23:22.380
Council Chambers: you know, I don't know, maybe there's a place, I might…
I might put this on the website or something, I think it'd be nice. Yeah,
we're kind of lean on literary. Yeah, that'd be cool. A little lean on
literary, for sure. Yeah, but otherwise, like, quite a, like… Yeah,
otherwise pretty healthy.
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01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:33.789
Council Chambers: Oh, very cool. Thank you for getting that, Pete. I
appreciate that. And then, one more thing to look at. This was a little
bit hard to do, but it's hung up a bunch of times, and so…
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Council Chambers: I just put this together as something, and again, like,
we could revisit it, or it could get voted on today. But I know that in
the past, my understanding is that there's been some tension and some
issues about commissioners applying for funding while they serve on the
commission, and that that doesn't always feel great to other people who
are
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Council Chambers: looking for funding, and you can seem a little inside
baseball-y, and you know, there's problems with it, right? Yeah. And so I
made this…
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Council Chambers: You'll learn.
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01:24:03.480 --> 01:24:15.809
Council Chambers: that, like, can be discussed, you know, obviously can
be revised, but is the spirit of it the right direction? Like, and, you
know, is this something commissioners feel comfortable, kind of, saying?
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01:24:15.810 --> 01:24:25.669
Council Chambers: you know, like, yes, this makes sense to us, we don't
want to have this conflict, or people like, it's a small town, this is
the networks. You know, there's different opinions that are totally valid
on here, so…
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01:24:26.140 --> 01:24:38.879
Council Chambers: I'll just put forward, before we launch the discussion,
just that, this is the practice, for the Arts Commission in Kitsap
County, Bay Bridge Island,
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01:24:39.970 --> 01:24:49.219
Council Chambers: I initiated the question, or among, you know, I… among
the other people who've expressed concern or raised it as a flag, like,
I, specifically, maybe.
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01:24:49.780 --> 01:25:08.470
Council Chambers: task, but spoke with Katie about this for 2026. So just
to… in interest of full disclosure, I'll share that, but I would like to
hear from everybody on their sort of thoughts, or take a temperature
check on it. The idea is not to be, inclusive or restrictive, but to make
it
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01:25:08.520 --> 01:25:12.619
Council Chambers: Just a fair and really unbiased process.
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01:25:12.920 --> 01:25:29.350
Council Chambers: Because it has sometimes felt uncomfortable, and one of
us is applying, because we care about each other, and we do support each
other, so… but I've spoken too much. I'm 100% saying, like, I'm inside
baseball, you know?
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01:25:29.620 --> 01:25:34.169
Council Chambers: Like, leave the commission if you must, you know?
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01:25:34.330 --> 01:25:46.239
Council Chambers: What about that, what about that idea, though? Like,
ex-commissioners? Anybody who's ever served? It's just Y or served, yeah,
that makes sense. Just during the term experience, yeah. That seems so
fair and reasonable.
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01:25:46.450 --> 01:26:01.859
Council Chambers: Danny, hand your hand up? Yeah, so I guess I would just
want to approach it from, like, does this infringe on anyone's rights? I
can understand being on the commission and recuting yourself from a
voting for some funding project. We had that happen this year, I think…
463
01:26:01.860 --> 01:26:13.619
Council Chambers: that might be what you're most recently referring to,
and I learned a little bit of awkwardness from the crowd. We had a full
house in here. But I'm also thinking back a few years ago, I was the,
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Council Chambers: chair of the Port Townsend School of the Arts, and we
had a funding proposal. I was a non-profit, I wasn't receiving any money,
recused myself, but…
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Council Chambers: that wouldn't apply. It'd be an individual is applying
for… Yeah. It's an artist, right? Yeah, because that's how I thought
about it. I was kind of like, well, I was like, yeah, this… I was like,
we'll just write this up, and then I was like, oh man, like, so many
people have so many overlapping things, like, it doesn't… it's not like,
you know, it seems, like, messed up to be like, yeah, I'm on the board
somewhere, like, I'm helping with this thing, and all of a sudden, that
whole thing is, like, disqualified.
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01:26:51.270 --> 01:27:06.069
Council Chambers: Like, that didn't feel like the right spirit of it, so
I was sort of trying to balance that out. So how would it work if it was
another nonprofit that, say, you know, somebody, you know, theater group,
and they're receiving a salary from the nonprofit, so they would be…
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01:27:06.070 --> 01:27:30.859
Council Chambers: getting money from the success of a nonprofit that's
asking for funding, if they were also seated on this body. Like, I'm just
trying to think of… I know, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think, like, I don't
know. I mean, the direct benefit on here. I think it's, like, I don't
know, like, if you, like, work someplace, like, if you're, like, the
education director for Northwind, or something, and you get paid by
Northwind, I think that's… I would just try to think of all those
scenarios that are running by our council. Yeah, whoever that is.
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01:27:30.860 --> 01:27:44.490
Council Chambers: There's a new one coming. Yeah, I mean, I probably… I
could have done more research on this. There's probably, like, conflict
policies out there that might be… We can look at that one. It is a public
meeting. Oh, yeah.
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01:27:44.490 --> 01:27:58.530
Council Chambers: It wipes away everything, but it's so different than
it's done. Yeah, that's true. So it's not a totally smoke-filled room.
You can't smoke. I gotta… Wait, can we…
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Council Chambers: Recognize better. Hold on one second.
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01:28:10.230 --> 01:28:18.490
Council Chambers: Then it will be very sad to not have you as part of our
council liaison. You've been a great council liaison, and…
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01:28:18.730 --> 01:28:38.020
Council Chambers: Except they have those tight quorums. Yeah. There's two
different prints in here, but it's kind of a grab bag, so you want to
choose one. Yeah. Okay. So, these are… were, Matt and Grimes, who…
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01:28:38.200 --> 01:28:44.320
Council Chambers: painted the mural at the NESP at PTAC. I had,
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01:28:44.430 --> 01:29:07.600
Council Chambers: Sorry about the skylight. I don't feel…
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01:29:07.780 --> 01:29:19.349
Council Chambers: super strongly in either direction, but I think that if
I was to draw a line, it would be the individual grant applicant while
you're on the commission.
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01:29:19.460 --> 01:29:23.089
Council Chambers: Yeah, so we can keep working on this language, then, it
sounds like.
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01:29:23.290 --> 01:29:38.679
Council Chambers: Oh, I know I'm not on your commission, but I have
served on a governor's planning commission for housing, and this came up
all the time, and so it was just that you had to knock the… no one on the
commission could present
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01:29:38.890 --> 01:29:50.799
Council Chambers: So somebody else, so that takes that individual piece
out, and you had to reduce yourself from voting for the, you know, the
project if you worked for that organization. So that kind of…
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01:29:50.820 --> 01:30:01.819
Council Chambers: didn't take, you know, Habitat for Humanity out of the
mix, and somebody from Habitat Humanity was a commissioner, but it also
meant that there was some variance.
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01:30:02.050 --> 01:30:08.229
Council Chambers: That makes sense. I think that's the sticking point, is
the organization versus individual. Yeah, right, yeah. Right.
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Council Chambers: iron out. Right, and that's… I think that's essentially
what's on here, yeah. But… and I think the idea that, like, if… if… if a
project like that applies, then if a commissioner is involved, they
should recuse themselves. Yeah, and the spirit is not… I mean, it's,
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Council Chambers: From my perspective, the spirit of this is not, like, a
god… like a…
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01:30:26.040 --> 01:30:33.489
Council Chambers: Are we gonna get ya? It's more like, it's just in the
interest of fairness and transparency, and so the spirit, I hope, would
be a bit…
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Council Chambers: If we implemented something like this, that we would
not, all of a sudden in 2026 and moving forward, feel, like, cagey about
sharing what boards we're working on or whatever, but just be even more
honest and transparent about it, so that when we do have those packed
houses, everyone who's here feels like they have the full set of
information, and they are aware of, like, the dynamics that they may not
otherwise be, so…
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01:30:55.290 --> 01:31:02.600
Council Chambers: this room, but, like, what about, like, what about a
family member or something? Yeah, I mean… Doesn't matter.
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01:31:02.650 --> 01:31:11.959
Council Chambers: I think it's, like, it's really, it's really about the
commissioners on the commission, but that's part of that, that's, like,
speaking of the transparency, yeah, like…
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01:31:12.100 --> 01:31:28.810
Council Chambers: Like, if your wife, like, came in and was like, I'm
working on this project, like, it doesn't… I mean, let's, like, recuse
yourself. Yeah, that's what we need to do. I don't think it would, like,
preclude anything. Yeah, but I think, so…
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01:31:29.830 --> 01:31:49.909
Council Chambers: I think next steps on this is I will, like, I don't
think we need to vote on it right now, I'll run it by the city attorney
when they start in January, and then we'll bring it back to the
commission. But I just thought this was a good… I want to have an initial
discussion here so we could kind of figure out the direction that we're…
people are thinking about it. That's great. Okay, well, that… do we have
any correspondence?
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01:31:49.910 --> 01:31:58.269
Council Chambers: We have no correspondence. Our agenda for next meeting
will be much the same, or per the work plan…
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01:31:58.270 --> 01:32:09.149
Council Chambers: Let me stop sharing. We had a public comment period.
Our next scheduled meeting… is it really January 15th? Are we… Yes. Oh,
yeah, so…
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01:32:09.260 --> 01:32:22.849
Council Chambers: There was a conflict… Because our meeting, our next
meeting would actually be on the very first day of January. Oh. Which
we're shut down, and I'm not coming to open up to you guys, but y'all, I
like y'all. And then there was a conflict the next…
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01:32:22.970 --> 01:32:29.539
Council Chambers: Right, right. January 8th, there's another Thursday. So
our meeting will be first Thursdays in Plain Visit? Yes.
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01:32:29.540 --> 01:32:43.269
Council Chambers: Please note in your calendars for January that the
meeting, the feedback meeting, will be the 15th instead of the 1st. Okay,
so we'll send about 18 emails reminding people of that, so that we have…
Don't come this week, don't come this time.
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01:32:44.150 --> 01:33:01.670
Council Chambers: That is usually when public art is, but we'll discuss
that. We can figure that when we meet this month. I think we can probably
do… We'll complete these maintenance kits, and we'll take… Yeah, exactly,
yeah, for example, yeah. All right, well, if that's all…
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01:33:01.670 --> 01:33:11.800
Council Chambers: We are adjourning at 4.58pm to have our end-of-year
celebration with a quorum, and no action. Just cookies.
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01:33:11.800 --> 01:33:14.450
Council Chambers: I hope that's okay with the public.
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