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HomeMy WebLinkAbout091823 City Council Business Meeting PacketPORT TOWNSEND CITY COUNCIL AGENDA
CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 540 WATER STREET
Business Meeting 6:00 p.m. September 18, 2023
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I. Call to Order/ Pledge of Allegiance
II. Roll Call
III. Changes to the Agenda
IV. Special Presentations (None)
V. City Manager's Report
VI. Comments from the Public (re consent agenda items and items not on the agenda)
(Each person has 3 min. to comment- City Clerk will signal at 2 min. 30 sec.)
A. Public comment
B. City Staff Response
VII. Consent Agenda
Action: Move to adopt the consent agenda or request to remove any individual
item from the consent agenda.
A. Approval of Bills, Claims and Warrants
B. Approval of Minutes: August 14, 2023
C. 2023 Mid -Year Financial Update
VIII. Unfinished Business (None)
IX. New Business
A. Golf Course Workshop
Action: City Council will receive the requested concept on the future
decision of the Envision the Port Townsend Golf Course and Mountain View
Commons and be asked to deliberate and possibly make a decision.
i. Staff Presentation
ii. Public Comment
iii. Council Discussion
X. Presiding Officer's Report
XI. Suggestions for next or future agenda, regular meeting and/or study session
XII. Comments from Council
XIII. Adjourn
From: Reverend Crustal Cox
To: publiccommentC6citvofot.us
Subject: Upzoning and Land Use Changes
Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 11:55:14 PM
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Port Townsend Mayor David Faber wants to model Port Townsend after Haight Ashbury.
Faber plans on going "hard" on Upzoning and land use changes disguised as housing for the
workforce. Talks of property values going way up.
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From:
Mark
To:
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Cc:
Sherry Erickson
Subject:
Edge Lane Roads (video attached)
Date:
Sunday, September 17, 2023 4:25:08 PM
Attachments:
Video.mov
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Please review the attached video.
Council member:
"...what's our Police department say, do they have any background for us..." 7
Staff:
"That's a good question. I haven't asked the Chief recently this year about that, umm, we look at accident data so
that ends tip coming through the Police Department, I'll follow tip with Chief..."
Council member
"Ok".
Us as a concerned citizens:
"Wait, what? You look at accident data which comes through the Police department yet you didn't consulted with
them, lately? How about we check with the authorities before proceeding."
Our comment:
Paint the roads any way you like. We'll drive the way we've been taught. That said, please consider striping fog
lines on your ELR's. This is an aging community and when it gets dark, foggy and wet in the winter, fog lines help
considerably.
Mark Peil
Sherry Erickson
4250 Wilson St.
Port Townsend
From: Cathv 6eatty
To: nubliccommentC6citvofot.us
Subject: Infrastructure expenses, budget and taxes
Date: Sunday, September 17, 2023 5:16:59 PM
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I would like to repeat what I have mentioned before in front of the city council, please remember that many of the
voting, tax -paying public are not wealthy. We cannot afford expensive solutions to the pool or golf course
properties. The infrastructure repairs and maintenance will be expensive for the water and sewage wastewater
treatment systems. These should be the first priority. Without water and sewer wastewater systems that work well,
there cannot be new housing nor other uses. Please be good stewards of the tax -payers' money. Please also
remember that grants are never guaranteed and the money for those grants come from us tax -payers. Please do not
further indebt us for more poor judgements. We are a small town and the county is not that large population -wise. If
you have large private donors willing to foot the bill for large recreational projects and willing to set tip a fund for
future maintenance, then go ahead with the planning, but if you do not have private donors waiting in the wings,
please just close down these projects for now.
From:
Sebastian Eaaert
To:
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Cc:
CitvCouncil
Subject:
Public Comment
Date:
Friday, September 15, 2023 10:08:51 PM
Port Townsend City Council
I've watched the City grow for forty-six years. In that time I've never witnessed
such misguided direction from the government as we see now. It's as if the city
administration, with the approval of a lapdog Council, has gone on a spending
spree, lured by something like the pop-up ads on Facebook for gadgets they see that
other towns have fallen for. (Let's get some of those, too!) According to them we
need more rotaries, hanging baskets, bulb outs, silly wood corner sculptures, totem
poles, streateries, low income housing projects, rain gardens, traffic calming
hazards, a new pool, edge lane roads, and yet another park. And there goes the golf
course, the way of the bowling alley and the roller rink.
But let's make sure we all feel good about this, and pay an out-of-town consultant
$1,300.00 for an hour and a half to guide us in visualizing happiness. Maybe after
that we can feel good about the responsibility for a bankrupt Fort Worden PDA.
Please stop. As well-intentioned as it is, the City is in no position to tackle housing
projects or a 35+ million dollar pool project. (Remember the Cherry Street debacle,
now rotting away, a sad and costly testimony to governmental overreach.)
Visualize a city that satisfies its core requirements: to provide safe water, sanitary
sewage and storm water disposal, passable streets and police and fire protection.
DO THIS FIRST.
After that, water the flowers in the hanging baskets. They look pretty.
Sebastian Eggert
Port Townsend
360 301-9704
From:
Peter 6onvun
To:
nubliccommentC6citvofot.us
Subject:
public comment for September 18 City Council meeting
Date:
Monday, September 18, 2023 11:29:13 AM
Councillors:
Viki Sontag's research and analysis on the need for affordable housing at Evan's Vista is convincing and
timely. I think it is quite apparent that the current plan for Evan's Vista does not adequately address the
enormous need, now or in the future. Nor does it provide adequate subsidies for those most in need of
assistance. Equity demands of us that much more serious effort be made to increase housing availability
and affordability. The ratio of housing for 80-120% AMI relative to 30-50% AMI seems to be exactly
opposite of where the need says it should be.
When we make decisions with our hearts as well as our minds we all benefit. Please take this in mind
when allocating housing at Evan's Vista.
Respectfully.
Peter Bonyun
990 22nd St
Port Townsend, WA
PORT TOWNSEND CITY COUNCIL
CONSENT AGENDA
September 18, 2023
A. Approval of Bills, Claims and Warrants:
Vouchers 172842 through 172924 in the amount of $1,180,184.36
B. Approval of Minutes: August 14, 2023
C. 2023 Mid -Year Financial Update
Action: Move to adopt the consent agenda or request to remove any individual
item from the consent agenda. (Short statements or easily resolved questions are
appropriate without removing item from the consent agenda).
DRAFT
CITY OF PORT TOWNSEND
MINUTES OF THE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP MEETING OF AUGUST 14, 2023
CALL TO ORDER/ ROLL CALL
The Port Townsend City Council met in a Regular Session on the 14th day of August
2023 in Council Chambers at 540 Water Street. Deputy Mayor Amy Howard called the
meeting to order at 5:59pm.
Councilmembers present at roll call were Amy Howard, David Faber, Aislinn Palmer, Ben
Thomas, Monica MickHager, Owen Rowe, and Libby Wennstrom.
Staff members present were Public Works Director Steve King , Wastewater Treatment
Plant Operations Manager Bliss Morris, Project Manager Andre Harper,
Communications and Marketing Manager Shelly Leavens, and City Clerk Alyssa
Rodrigues.
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT (REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA)
There was no public comment.
DISCUSSION ITEMS
General Sewer Plan Briefing
Public Works Director Steve King introduced the General Sewer Plan Briefing.
John Hendron, PE, Dan Mahlum, PE, Tom Coleman, PE, from RH2 Engineering,
Wastewater Treatment Plant Operations Manager Bliss Morris, Public Works Director
Steve King, and Project Manager II Andre Harper presented the General Sewer Plan
Briefing presentation which included Overview, Sewer System Overview, Population
Projections, Historical Flow (Last 6 Years), Projected Flow -City, Projected Flow -
Expansion Area, Projected Flow- Total, Projected BOD Loading, Collection System
Analysis, Growth Allocation, Collection System Upgrades for Capacity, Other
Improvements, New Pipeline Inspection Van, Collection System CIP, Long Range
Sewer Main Refurbishments, Wastewater Treatment Plant, WWTP Layout, WWTP
Near -Term Capital Improvements Plan, and Future WWTP Expansion, Septage and
Compost Facility, and Septage and Compost Facility Near -Term Capital Improvements
Plan.
In response to Council's clarifying questions staff and consultant explained percentage
of streets stormwater goes into, process to manage stormwater surge, backflushing,
COVID pandemic effect on numbers, max capacity, BOD acronym, life of plant,
industrial businesses in sewer system, TSS definition, pipe spacing, 5 -year rebuilds,
SM definition, location of pump station, cost for pipeline inspection van, sharing the
pipeline inspection van, life expectancy of vehicle/camera, price for digging pipe, grant
competition, clarifier, mechanical and process changes, site choice amount for new
plant, maintenance with upgrades, expanded plant and energy usage, passive
compost, fire protection, PFAS testing, office area for employees, and cutting down on
energy use.
August 14, 2023 City Council Workshop Meeting Page 1 of 2
DRAFT
Public Comment:
There was no public comment.
Discussion ensued around tsunami concerns, number review, rate impact, balanced
budgets, knowing what will fail, education, water treatment facility loan, service
charge, sewer plan, comparable city statistics, utility tax, and education on utility bill.
ADJOURN
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 8:18pm.
Attest:
Alyssa Rodrigues
City Clerk
August 14, 2023 City Council Workshop Meeting Page 2 of 2
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Agenda Bill AB23-224
Meeting Date: September 18, 2023
Agenda Item: VILC
® Regular Business Meeting
❑ Workshop/Study Session
❑ Special Business Meeting
Submitted By: Connie Anderson, Finance Director
Date Submitted: September 14, 2023
Department: Finance
SUBJECT: 2023 Mid -Year Financial Update
CATEGORY:
❑x Consent ❑ Resolution
Contact Phone: 360-379-4403
BUDGET IMPACT:
Expenditure Amount:
❑x Staff Report ❑ Ordinance
❑ Contract Approval ❑ Other:
❑ Public Hearing (Legislative, unless otherwise noted)
❑ 3 -Year Strategic Plan: N/A
Cost Allocation Fund: N/A
SUMMARY STATEMENT:
Included in Budget? Yes ❑ No ❑x
The Mid -Year Financial Report for 2023 provides a summary of the financial activity
through June. Financial results remain on target. The City's reserves continue to remain
strong and within policy parameters, keeping the City in a good financial position.
Key general government revenues such as sales tax, property tax, lodging tax and
development and permitting fees are on target and coming in as expected primarily due
to strong results in the retail, construction, and accommodation segments of the market.
Real estate excise tax results show transaction activity picking back up but has slowed in
comparison to the last couple of years. The City has been able to take advantage of the
high interest rate environment with stronger returns on investment than has been seen in
many years.
Overall expenses are either on target or under budget, depending on the fund and when
activity typically occurs. With the hiring of project managers in the 2nd quarter, we are
seeing capital projects ramp up. We anticipate activity in our capital accounts through
the end of the year. Salaries and benefits remain under budget, with a continued vacancy
rate of 13%. Staffing continues to remain a challenge; however, we are making some
headway in hiring and bringing new staff on board.
The City remains in a good financial position. Revenues are coming in as expected while
expenses are under budget due to vacancies and timing of projects. The City typically
sees higher expense activity in the summer and through the fall season. The Consumer
Price Index or CPI peaked in 2022 and is now averaging 4-5% less than a year ago at
this time. We continue to watch for other key indicators in the national economy that will
impact us locally. Some of those indicators include the real estate market trends,
corporate orders and profits, plus overall employment. There is no way to know the future,
but the goal is to remain thoughtful and diligent while utilizing the resources we have
available without overextending our bounds. Staff continues to look for the right balance.
As a cash basis reporting entity, some of the variances to the annual budget identified in
the report summaries may be a result of timing of either the cash receipt of the revenues
or cash payment of the expenditures.
ATTACHMENTS:
1. 2023 Mid -Year Fund Summary
CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION:
N/A
RECOMMENDED ACTION: No Action Required
ALTERNATIVES:
❑ Take No Action ❑ Refer to Committee ❑ Refer to Staff ❑ Postpone Action
❑ Remove from Consent Agenda ❑ Waive Council Rules and approve Ordinance
❑ Other:
Revenue vs Expense Summary
For the Period Ending June 30, 2023
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203,145
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A.R.P.A.
2,299,505
-
19,036
(19,036)
1,712,000
351,404
1,360,596
21%
(1,712,000)
(332,368)
1,967,138
Street
479,484
1,171,775
495,962
; 675,813
42%
1,654,275
606,954
1,047,321
37%
(482,500)
(110,993)
368,491:
Library
587,341
1,203,905
683,766
520,139
57%
1,217,295
602,244
615,051
49%
(13,390)
81,523
668,864
Real Estate Excise Tax
1,203,130
701,500
272,086
429,414
39%
748,625
310,349
438,276
41%
(47,125)
(38,263)
1,164,867
Lodging Tax
721,406
525,750
207,895
317,855
40%
511,243
163,959
347,284
32%
14,507
43,936
765,342
Fire/EMS
7,302
4,000
13
3,987
0%
4,000
35
3,965
1%
-
(22)
7,280
Affordable Housing
83,937
100,101
6,111
93,990
6%
92,896
52,698
40,198
57%
7,205
(46,587)
37,350
Community Development Block Grant
159,317
20,150
8,173
11,977
41%
20,000
-
20,000
0%
150
8,173
167,489
Community Services
597,061
2,479,904
1,605,718
' 8741186
6591
214771913
111021100
113751813
44%
111991
':503,618
1,100,679':
6,341,626
(2,231,012)
109,017
6,450,643
TOTAL SPECIAL REV FUNDS
6,207,235 3,298,760 2,908,475
53%
8,438,247 3,189,743 5,248,504
38%
DEBT SERVIC15TIUM
396701.9
3,7�9S,638
2,944496„i,
250. 43,
- 91%
3799016
4,94, ,Ts t
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69%
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,841,975
497,994,1
General Capital
960,239
1,538,900
195,374
1,343,526
13%
2,254,289
326,747
1,927,542
14%
(715,389)
(131,373)
828,866
Street Capital
195,118
1,765,281
1,243,697
521,584
70%
6,666,058
73,629
6,592,429
1%
(4,900,777)
1,170,068
1,365,186
1,155,357
(5,616,166)
1,038,695
2,194,052
CAPITAL PROJECTS FUNDS
3,304,181 1,439,070 1,865,111
44%
8,920,347 400,375 8,519,972
4%
Golf Course
2,500
25,000
2,631
22,369
11%
24,672
6,167
18,505
25%
328
(3,536)
(1,036)
System Development
2,156,674
369,440
309,935
59,505
84%
33,500
76,869
(43,369)
229%
335,940
233,066
2,389,740
Water/ Sewer Operations
4,081,850
9,333,609
4,611,584
4,722,024
49%
10,463,278
4,103,934
6,359,344
39%
(1,129,669)
507,651
4,589,500
Water / Sewer Capital
3,875,116
8,670,329
3,173,935
5,496,394
37%
5,031,875
1,521,047
3,510,828
30%
3,638,454
1,652,888
5,528,004
Storm Operations
677,661
1,173,824
623,408
550,416
53%
1,635,982
577,369
1,058,613
35%
(462,158)
46,039
723,700
Storm Capital
26,773
335,200
34
335,166
01%
621,480
14,911
606,569
25/.
(286,280)
(14,877)
11,897
10,820,573
19,907,402
8,721,527
11,185,875
17,810,787
6,300,295
11,510,492
2,096,615
2,421,231
13,241,805
ENTERPRISE FUNDS
44%
35%
Public Works Admin
139,877
764,238
340,173
424,065
45%
770,878
228,703
542,174
30%
(6,640)
111,469
251,346
IT Equipment O&M / Replacement
160,505
410,955
205,453
205,503
50%
386,978
183,723
203,255
47%
23,977
21,729
182,234
Fleet Equipment O&M / Replacement
2,268,986
808,170
419,059
389,111
52%
1,367,083
259,561
1,107,523
19%
(558,913)
159,499
2,428,485
Engineering Services
71,900
1,474,584
437,960
1,036,624
30%
1,047,103
438,580
608,523
42%
427,481
(620)
71,281
Unemployment Self -Insurance
22,346
50,000
50,000
0%
50,000
83
49,917
0%
(83)
22,263
2,663,614
(114,094)
291,994
2,955,609
INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS
3,507,947 1,402,644 2,105,303
40%
3,622,041 1,110,650 2,511,392
31%
firemen's Pension
313,510
34,235
19,270
.. 14,965
56%
25,548
51052'
21/495
19%
7,687
''..... 14,218
327,728:-.-
Custodial / Refundable Depiasits
4,748
51,386
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� 2617,01
(26,701)
24,685
29,433,
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357,161,!
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318,258
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206%
- 25,548 31753(5,2fiSi1
- 120%
GRANDTOTAL
1 28,626,731
1 49,837,970
25,057,670
24,780,299
50%
58,189,592.98
22,016,887.03
36,172,706
38%
(8,351,623)
3,040,783
31,667,514
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Agenda Bill AB23-225
Meeting Date: September 18, 2023
Agenda Item: IX.A
® Regular Business Meeting
❑ Workshop/Study Session
❑ Special Business Meeting
Submitted By: Carrie Hite, Director of Parks Strategy Date Submitted: September 8,
2023
Departments: Administrative
Contact Phone: 360-379-2979
SUBJECT: City Council presentation on the Envision Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons new concept and workshop
CATEGORY: BUDGET IMPACT: $
❑ Consent ❑ Resolution Expenditure Amount:
❑x Staff Report ❑ Ordinance
❑ Contract Approval ❑x Other:
❑ Public Hearing (Legislative, unless otherwise noted)
❑ 3 -Year Strategic Plan: N/A
Cost Allocation Fund: Choose an item,
.
SUMMARY STATEMENT:
Included in Budget? Yes ❑ No ❑x
On July 17, 2023, the Council tasked staff (and, by extension, the stakeholder
committee and the consultant) to develop another concept for the Council to consider.
The concept was intended to be a middle -ground between the Central Park option and
the hybrid golf option, essentially an alternative with an element of golf (i.e., miniature
golf, putting green, and/or driving range), and more elements for the general public (i.e.,
trails, a community hub, elements for families). In addition, the Council was interested in
seeing a feasible housing element in this plan.
A group of citizens have been working on another hybrid option and have suggested the
involvement of a nonprofit to operate the golf course, support the finances, and open
access to the land for the wider community. For instance, they have proposed adding
disc golf and footgolf (which uses a soccer ball), opening the course in the mornings
and evenings for walkers, having summer concerts on the driving range, and adding a
miniature golf course, among other ideas.
Also, since the last meeting and as part of the wider Mountain View master planning
process, staff have had discussions with the Recyclery, related to their footprint at
Mountain View Commons as part of a separate lease with the PT School District but
immediately adjacent to the City's lease. The Recyclery would be willing to move to
allow for the pool to be rebuilt, room to expand if needed, or room to move the dog park.
They have indicated that they could relocate if they can have a similar footprint and
terms similar to those they have for the land at the Commons. Preliminarily, one of the
sheds at the golf course and educational space in the clubhouse could expand the use
of the golf course, allow the recyclery to move, have space at Mountain View for the dog
park, and could present a win-win.
This workshop will give the City Council a hands-on approach to see what can fit at the
golf course, and visualize all concepts. In addition, I have attached the Golf Club
proposal for City Council's information and reference as an attachment in the packet.
By way of background, here is the information about the full process that was part of the
July 17, 2023 Council packet:
In early 2020, the City Council gave direction to staff to pursue a two-pronged approach
to managing the golf course; issue an RFP and enter into a 3 -year operational
agreement and engage the community in discussion about alternative uses. The
Council was given a thorough presentation and discussed a trajectory for the golf
course both at the October 12 and November 2, 2020, Council meetings ( links
attached). The City Council was given options to consider for a possible path forward.
At November 2, 2020, meeting the Council unanimously voted to select option 3, with
some changes. The final option that was voted unanimously stated, " Authorize the City
Manager to pursue continued golf services for 3 years and during this time investigate
alternative use concepts for feasibility and develop/refine with the broad community
involvement, including the possibility for extended golf use." In addition, the City Council
authorized the issuance of a Request for Proposal and subsequently entered into an
agreement for operations with the Gabriel Tonan Golf Shop, Inc. for a term of three
years during which time the City would explore alternative uses for the Golf Course.
In addition, in 2020 the City conducted a public process to adopt a Parks, Recreation
and Open Space comprehensive planning element. PROS Plan community
engagement results showed limited use of the Port Townsend Golf Course and interest
in golf in general. Most vision survey respondents did not have an opinion on the
operation, investment, or use of the golf course. For those who did have an opinion,
most did not want to make capital investments, set a cost recovery policy, or explore
partnership options. For those with an opinion, most did not want the City to stop
operating the golf course, but others are supportive of exploring alternative options.
While the future and alternative uses of the golf course were not directly sought, ideas
and thoughts were nonetheless shared during the Vision and System Plan outreach
events. Comments included:
• Continuing to operate the golf course for golf.
• Allowing multiple recreational uses on the property (e.g. frisbee golf, foot golf) or other
active sports uses that could be accomplished while still having golf on certain days.
• Repurposing to more active sports and managing as a complex with Mountain View,
especially if active sports are not feasible on other properties like 35th street park.
• Converting it into a nature park.
• Surplusing it for non -park uses.
2
Based on the PROS plan results and City Council direction, staff proposed a community
process framework to launch a more robust community discussion about the Golf
Course and included Mountain View Commons. City Council approved the "Envision
Port Townsend Golf Course and Mountain View Commons" framework to launch a
community discussion in June 2022 ( link attached). The City Council was again briefed
on this plan and approved an award of bid for a landscape architect firm, Groundswell
LLC to assist with the exploration and community discussion for the Port Townsend Golf
Course and Mountain View Commons in September 2022 ( link attached).
Since this process has launched, staff has seated a 20 -member stakeholder committee,
conducted 11 stakeholder meetings, hosted a project launch on-site at the Golf Course
and Mountain View Commons ( comments attached), implemented two intercept events
at Quimper Mercantile and the Food Co-op and met various groups in town ( comments
attached), held three open houses, both in person and virtually, and has implemented
three online surveys. In addition, there is a webpage dedicated to this project with
evolving information, documents pertinent to the properties, the comment log,
recordings, agendas and minutes from the stakeholder meetings, comment cards,
distribution list sign up and comprehensive information about this process. This website
can be visited at ,,,,,,,,,,, w ,,,,,, ii of�Oenvlislion. This meeting and presentation is to give City
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Council information to make an informed decision about the Envision process.
The Stakeholders started in September of 2022 with 21 members. We have had some
attrition over the ten months, and the following recommendation is representative of
thirteen stakeholders. The stakeholders are comprised of volunteer citizens who either
help to steward the land and buildings at Mountain View and the Golf Course or
represent the broader community. They have worked diligently to leave their interests
and/or " stake" behind when they engage in stakeholder meetings. They have been
asked to remain objective, listen to the broader community, and guide the planning
team with respect to listening to the community.
The stakeholders have had twelve 1.5 -hour meetings over the course of 11 months.
They have guided the process by creating selection criteria and holding this as their key
to moving forward. They have guided the planning process, asked for many questions
and material (all loaded up on the website), and have been good stewards for the future
of Port Townsend. They understand that the plan is conceptual, and know that the final
decision is for City Council.
The stakeholders had intended to bring forward one recommendation about the
end result to the City Council. That said, they represent a microcosm of our
community. They are divided on the trajectory of the golf course. In the last
meeting, we tried to find a win-win, and find some compromise, but the input was
eight in support of the hybrid option, four in support of the Central Park option,
and one person voicing interest in a modified hybrid that would have golf be an
element, i.e. Miniature Golf, putting green, and/or driving range, and create more
elements for the general public. This was of interest to eight stakeholders when
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this was voiced near the end of the meeting. In addition, the stakeholders were in
support of some kind of housing element in the conceptual plan.
The City would like to thank the stakeholders for their time, commitment, and efforts
toward this important community conversation.
In addition to the stakeholders, the Parks, Recreation, Trees, Trails Advisory Board also
had a special meeting to make the following recommendation:
The PRTTAB recommends a hybrid plan that encourages the use of an alternative
driving range ( i.e. netting or virtual), that includes space for a dog park, and
eliminates the housing element that is currently in the vegetative space. There
was also an interest in the hybrid in the timing as well, sharing the space and
allowing citizens to have access to the trails when there is no golfing. The final
vote was 5 in favor one in opposition.
The City would also like to thank the PRTTAB for their recommendation on this very
important community discussion.
ATTACHMENTS:
1. Presentation for July 17, 2023.
2. Envisioning the Port Townsend Golf Course, A Community Discussion. A
Framework.
3. Golf Course and Mountain View project launch comment log
4. Comment Log a. Through May 2023
5. Comment Log b. (May - September 8, 2023)
5. Small Group Meetings Carrie
6. Small group meetings comment #2
7. GolIf Course a dale to Council Qctober `I2. 2020
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8. Gollf Course a dale to Council (November 2 2020
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2022.
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12. Counclill meetlin from June 20. 2028
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18. Counclill meedno from Jully 17, 2028
14. David Heine Golf report
15. Financing Plan
16. Golf Course Citizens Proposal
17. Presentation for September 18, 2023
CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION: N/A/
rd
RECOMMENDED ACTION: City Council will receive the requested concept on the
future decision of the Envision the Port Townsend Golf Course and Mountain View
Commons and be asked to deliberate and possibly make a decision.
ALTERNATIVES:
❑x Take No Action ❑x Refer to Committee
❑ Remove from Consent Agenda
approve Ordinance
❑ Other:
❑x Refer to Staff ❑x Postpone Action
❑ Waive Council Rules and
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City CouincH Meeting July 17, 2023
GIROt )N[I)SWEL J1
Townsend
WELCOME
OPEN HOUSE #3 + CONSENSUS BUILDING
STAKEHOLDER DELIBERATION + FINAL THOUGHTS
FINANCING
POTENTIAL PHASING
SUMMARY
PRTTAB RECOMMENDATION
RECOMMENDATION + DISCUSSION
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• PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE #3
• June 22, 2023 @ 5:00 p.m.
• Fort Worden Commons
• 103 Attendees
• ONLINE OPEN HOUSE #3
• June 26, 2023 @ 4:00 p.m.
• 38 Attendees
• ONLINE SURVEY
• 650 RESPONSES
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• Consensus Building
Come to consensus on a plan that serves the majority of Port
Townsend residents.
• Arrive at a recommendation for City Council
A final plan recommendation, for the future of the Port Townsend
Golf Course and Mt. View Commons Properties, will be presented
to City Council for approval on July 17th.
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1. Inclusive and welcoming
• Accessible and safe
• Serve the greatest good for the most amount of people
2. Prioritize environmental stewardship
• Balance recreation with habitat protection and enhancement
• Advocate for a resilient and restorative landscape
3. Benefit community health and wellbeing
• Enhance recreation opportunities for a larger community demographic
• Align with the community health and wellness plan
4. Celebrate Port Townsend's history, community, and culture
5. Support connectivity, walkability and expanded site access
6. Meet infrastructure needs
7. Financially stable
8. Accommodate future community needs
• Forward thinking
• Functional versatility
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CONSIDERATIONS
PORT TOWNSEND GOLF COURSE RESPECTING THE
DESIGNED BY - PI R SQUARED Trailhead
A CONCEPT WITH GOLF AND NON -GOLF PUBLIC PROCESS.
FEATURES RETAINING 9 HOLES AND
DRIVING RANGE DECISION MAKING
CRITERIA.
fI
Y -Y DOG PARK
j
TRAIL SYSTEM.
0)` 1New
N
ALLOCATION OF
Trailhead
SPACE FOR PUBLIC
USE.
parking,
Driving Range
shortening of hole
Hosts 23 Seasonal
Concerts
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Community
Garden led Shorten Prairie
note Expansion
Re -order Putt Putt
Area
Course
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• ONLINE SURVEY #3
• 650 RESPONSES
4. Please select your level of support for the following two
concepts to be presented to City Council:
Central Park
Hybrid Golf Course
Supportive Not Supportive Neutral
• STAKEHOLDER POLL RESULTS
• 13 RESPONSES
4. Please select which option you support for City Council
adoption:
1. Hybrid Golf Course
� 2 Central Park
3. None of the Above
• Our final Stakeholder discussion noted eight (8) Stakeholders prefer the
Hybrid Scheme and four (4) Stakeholders prefer Central Park. One (1)
Stakeholder voiced interest in a modified Hybrid or Central Park Concept
with a golf component.
• Eight (8) Stakeholders were in support of a modified Central Park/Hybrid
Concept with a golf component.
• Stakeholders were in support of some affordable housing component in the
conceptual plan.
Port Townsend Golf Course I Mt. View Commons
July 5, 2023
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CENTRAL
YEAR
PARK - PHASE 1 (YEARS 1 - 10)
ITEM
GRANT REQUEST
CITY MATCH (35%)
TOTAL
2024
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$350,000.00
$122,500.00
$472,500.00
2026
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$350,000.00
$122,500.00
$472,500.00
2028
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$350,000.00
$122,500.00
$472,500.00
2030
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$350,000.00
$122,500.00
$472,500.00
2032
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$350,000.00
$122,500.00
$472,500.00
PHASE 1 SUB TOTAL $1,750,000.00
$612,500.00
$2,362,500.00
CENTRAL
YEAR
PARK - PHASE 2 (YEARS 11 19)
ITEM
GRANT REQUEST
CITY MATCH (35%)
TOTAL
2034
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$428,000.00
$149,800.00
$577,800.00
2036
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$428,000.00
$149,800.00
$577,800.00
2038
1 RCO GRANT REQUEST
$428,000.001
$149,800.00
$577,800.00
2040
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$428,000.001
$149,800.00
$577,800.00
2042
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$428,000.001
$149,800.00
$577,800.00
PHASE 2 SUB TOTAL $2,140,000.001
$749,000.00
$2,889,000.00
TOTAL $3,890,000.00 $1,361,500 $5,251,500.00
Port Townsend Golf Course I Mt. View Commons
July 5, 2023
HYBRID
YEAR
GOLF COURSE
ITEM
GRANT REQUEST
CITY MATCH (35%)
TOTAL
2032
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$440,000.00
$154,000.00
$594,000.00
2034
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$450,000.00
$157,500.00
$607,500.00
2036
IRCO GRANT REQUEST
$450,000.001
157,500.00
$607,500.00
2038
IRCO GRANT REQUEST
$450,000.001
$157,500.001
$607,500.00
PHASE 2 SUB TOTALI $1,790,000.001
$626,500.00
$2,416,500.00
TOTAL $3,265,000.00 $1,142,750 $4,407,750.00
Central Park -19 yr. plan Hybrid Golf Course -15 yr. plan
TOTAL GRANT REQUEST: $3,890,000.00 TOTAL GRANT REQUEST: $3,265,000.00
CITY MATCH: $1,361,500.00 CITY MATCH: $1,142,750.00
TOTAL PROJECT COST.- , 5,251,544.00 w....... f TOTAL PROjEtT ' T: , 40,407,75040 ..,...w.
R.O.M. OPERATIONAL COSTS: $901</YR. R.O.M. OPERATIONAL COSTS: $601</YR.
• Cost in 2023 dollars.
• Costs do not include Sales Tax, Testing, Engineering, Design, Construction
Management or Permitting.
PHASE 1 (YEAR 1-10):
• BIKE AND PED. TRAILS
• COMMUNITY GARDEN
• ROAD/PARKING LOT
• BIRD BLIND
PHASE 2 (YEAR 11-21):
• AMPHITHEATER
• COMMUNITY SPACE (RFP)
• NATURE PLAY
• DOG PARK
• DISC GOLF + MINI GOLF (RFP)
• HOUSING
• MT. VIEW:
•
PICKLEBALL + SPLASH PAD
• REBUILD POOL+ PARKING
PHASE 1 (YEAR 1-5):
• RELOCATE HOLES 5+6
• DOG PARK
• PUBLIC TRAILS + CART PATHS
• ROAD + PARKING
PHASE 2 (YEAR 6-11):
• BIRD BLIND
• HOUSING
• COMMUNITY GARDEN
• MT. VIEW:
• PICKLEBALL+SPLASH PAD
• REBUILD POOL+ PARKING
• DISC GOLF, FUTSOL, MINI GOLF
• In early 2020, a community
engagement process, following
the development of the PROS plan,
showed that the community desires
to explore different uses for the golf
course property owned by the City.
• In November 2020, Council
unanimously directed staff to engage
the community to explore the
feasibility of alternate uses, including
continued use for golf.
• Given the proximity of the Mountain
View Campus, it is the City's interest
to explore complementary uses and
plan for this site as well.
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• PURPOSE: ASSESS THE NGF REPORT FROM A LOCAL LENS
• TAKEAWAYS:
• AGING INFRASTRUCTURE (COURSE, CLUBHOUSE, IRR., ETC.)
• DEMAND MAY NEVER BE SUFFICIENT TO SUSTAIN
• LACK OF MANAGEMENT/MARKETING TO SUSTAIN OPERATIONS
• LACK OF FINANCIAL REPORTING
• NGF STUDY - MERITS:
• ACCURATE DEPICTION OF THE GOLF COURSE CONDITIONS +
CHALLENGES
• SALES AND MARKETING RECOMMENDATIONS
• NGF STUDY - SHORTCOMINGS:
• $1M INVESTMENT IS NOT REALISTIC
• HIRING A GOLF PRO DOES NOT SUPPORT FINANCIAL GOALS
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"Changing the golf course into a par 3 golf course would have a significant impact to
the golf operations. I called Battle Creek golf course north of Everett as they have both
an 18 hole and a par 3 course. The par 3 course does about 25% of the rounds the 18
hole course does and the green fee is 25% of the 18 hole rate. So the impact to revenue
would be substantial. In addition, the cost to convert to a smaller par 3 would require
basically rebuilding the golf course. The greens would have to be moved, they would
be made smaller, with new irrigation and new tee boxes. It would be used more by
non -golfers so the positive would be that kids and first time golfers would most likely
increase. The golf shop merchandise would probably disappear as the need for clubs,
shoes, etc. would be eliminated."
-DAVID HEIN, GOLF COURSE CONSULTANT
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GOLF COURSE PRIORITIES:
1. Walking/Biking Trails
2. Habitat Restoration
3. Renovated Golf Course
4. Nature Play
5. Community Garden
6. Wetland Boardwalk
7. Outdoor Performance Space
8. Affordable Housing
9. Kah Tai Prarie
10. Miniature Golf / Putt Putt
11. Picnic Areas
12. Disc Golf
13. Educational Center
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MT. VIEW PRIORITIES:
1. Pool
2. Education / Comm. Ctr.
3. Renovated Playground
4. Renovated Pickleball
5. Renovated Dog Park
6. Affordable Housing
7. Splash Pad / Water Feature
8. Plaza
9. Art
10. Festival Street
11. Farmer's Market
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2. Do you support exploring alternative uses for the Port
Townsend Golf Course property?
� 1. Yes -a3%
2. Hybrid - 31
3. No -23%
4. Undecided -3%
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STUDENTS:
1. Affordable Housing
2. Miniature Golf
3. Walking/Biking Trails
4. Sport Fields
5. Boardwalk
6. Climbing Wall
7. Event Space
8. Community Garden
9. Habitat
10. Multi Use Lawn
11. Kah Tai Prairie
12. Disc Golf
OPEN HOUSES:
1. Walking Biking Trails
2. Habitat Restoration
3. Nature Play
4. Wetland Boardwalk
5. Renovated Pool Facility
VS. 6. Golf Course
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7. Community Garden
8. Event / Performance Space
9. Affordable Housing
10. Picnic Areas
11. Education Center
12. Miniature Golf/Putt Putt
13. Climbing Wall
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1. CONCEPT 3 - CENTRAL PARK
2. CONCEPTI - RESTORED GOLF COURSE
3. CONCEPT 2 -HYBRID GOLF COURSE
Q. CONCEPT 2A -SPACE FOR NATURE
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• SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY
NEED FOR LOW INCOME +
AFFORDABLE HOUSING
• R -II: MEDIUM DENSITY
HOUSING ZONE (EIGHT
UNITS PER 40,000 S.F.)
• SOME WANT HOUSING.
SOME DO NOT.
• SCOPE DID NOT INCLUDE:
• HOUSING ANALYSIS
• HOUSING DIRECTIVE
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Following is the recommendation from the Parks, Recreation, Trees and Trails Advisory
Board:
The motion is to recommend a hybrid plan that encourages the use of an alternative
driving range (i.e. netting or virtual), that includes space for a dog park and eliminates
the housing element that is currently in the vegetative space. There was also an
interest in the hybrid in the timing as well, sharing the space and allowing citizens to
have access to the trails when there is no golfing.
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INTRODUCTION.............................................................................................................................................. 3
PROJECT BACKGROUND AND DETAILS..........................................................................................................3
ProjectScope.........................................................................................................................................................3
CommunityOutreach..........................................................................................................................................3
PROJECTAREA............................................................................................................................................................4
STAKEHOLDERS..........................................................................................................................................................4
MILESTONES...............................................................................................................................................................4
METHODS....................................................................................................................................................... 6
MESSAGES...................................................................................................................................................................6
TIMING, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, SCHEDULE.................................................................................. 7-10
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ENVISIONING THE PORT TOWNSEND GOLF COURSE
May 2022
The Port Townsend Municipal Golf Course was developed in 1904 and includes a regulation -length 9 -
hole course, driving range, maintenance buildings, and clubhouse with a commercial kitchen for
restaurant services, and retail sales. The golf course, once privately owned and operated, was converted
to a public course in 1927 and first administered by Jefferson County but is now owned and operated by
the City of Port Townsend. The city leases the golf course to a local business for management and
operations. When converted to a public course, there were deed restrictions on the property. There is
a deed restriction that the largest parcel will be used for municipal purposes only.
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Project Scope
Port Townsend Golf Club is an aging golf facility located in a small market with a mix of marketable
amenities. The most recent study of the golf course was implemented in 2018 by the National Golf
Foundation (NGF). The NGF completed the study of the viability of the PTGC and found that the facility is
challenged by its declining physical condition and somewhat remote location which limits its potential
market support. NGF has estimated that it would cost $935,000 - $1.2M to bring it up to standard to
attract more visits and become a viable golf course. The upgrades would include improvements to the
irrigation system and pump house, tree and stump removal, purchase of appropriate maintenance
equipment, clubhouse repair, and course repair. Based on this analysis, the City Council decided not to
pursue the recommendation because of the cost for both the capital and operations. They did authorize
the issuance of a Request for Proposal and subsequently entered into an agreement for operations with
the Gabriel Tonan group for a term of three years during which time the City would explore alternative
uses for the Golf Course. The framework included in this document is for the subsequent community
discussion to explore the long-term vision for the Golf Course. This community engagement plan
includes securing a landscape architect to assist with concept planning alternative uses. It also includes
creating a community stakeholder group and launching four phases of community engagement to
envision the golf course. There is an option in phases 3-4 to expand this engagement process to include
the Mountain View campus, as it may include complementary uses.
Previous Community Outreach
The city sought community feedback about the golf course during the Park, Recreation, and Open Space
plan update. PROS Plan community engagement results showed limited use of the Port Townsend Golf
Course and interest in golf in general. Most vision survey respondents did not have an opinion on the
operation, investment, or use of the golf course. For those who did have an opinion, most did not want
to make capital investments, set a cost recovery policy, or explore partnership options. For those with
an opinion, some did not want the city to stop operating the golf course, but others were supportive of
exploring alternative options. In addition to the PROS planning process, staff launched a survey to begin
a community engagement process in September 2020. This feedback led to multiple options for the
Council to consider. In November 2020, Council unanimously directed staff to enter into a golf
operations agreement with a vendor for 3 years, during which time staff would engage the community
to explore the feasibility of alternate uses, including continued use for golf. This planned community
discussion should take into consideration the long-term goals of all of the City's Parks and Recreation
assets, the proximity of the Mountain View Campus, and the Mountain View Pool, and the need for a
long-term financial sustainability plan.
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May 2022
PROJECI AREA
The options being considered will be limited to the golf course site, including the parking lot, pathways,
trails, and clubhouse as depicted on the map (Exhibit 1). A small area within Port Townsend Golf
Course, called the Kah Tai Prairie is 1.4 acres and is located in the southeast area of the golf course. The
prairie has been the focus of preservation and restoration by the Olympic Chapter of the Washington
Native Plant Society since it was recognized as a unique botanical site in 1986. The Kah Tai Prairie is
located within the Port Townsend Golf Course and is open to the public to enjoy. The city has an interest
in master planning the Mountain View Campus (Exhibit 2) as part of Phase 3 of the community visioning
plan. The Mountain View Campus is adjacent to the Golf Course and could have some complementary
uses as part of the larger discussion.
Exhibit 1: Port Townsend Golf Couse. Operated by
Gabriel Tonan Golf Shop, Inc. Also includes a
management agreement for the Kah Tai Prairie.
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Exhibit 2: Mountainview Campus: includes KPTZ,
Food Bank, Red Cross, Working Image, Parks and
Recreation office, IT, Police Station and YMCA (
operating the pool/gym, some outdoor area). Also
includes Dog Park and Pickleball courts.
The city will recruit and seat a stakeholders committee to help guide the process of
public engagement. A more detailed list of stakeholder members, including contact
information, will be developed as the project moves forward.
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ENVISIONING THE PORT TOWNSEND GOLF COURSE
May 2022
External:
• Tenants of Mountain View
• YMCA
• Golf Club
• Stewards of the prairie
• Park Board
• Arts Commission
• Teens from local HS.
• School District
• County
• Hospital District
• Housing
Internal:
• City Manager
• Park Board representative
• City Staff
I I LES I O'SII :. Q°
Task Type
RFP and award of bid for Landscape Administrative
Architect contractor: RFP, budget,
selection/compile stakeholder
End Date Owner
6-8/2022 PT
group
Phase 1 Community Outreach--------
Focus Groups
7/22-9/22
PT
Develop key criteria/principles
Phase 2 Public Outreach
Public Involvement
9/2022
PT, Contractor
Community Vision/Concept Ideas
Evaluate Data, Develop Concept
Conceptual Design
10/2022
PT, Contractor
options to share with the
Community
Phase 3 Public Outreach (Evaluate
Public Involvement
11/2022
Team
Concepts/Options) Gather
feedback
Evaluate Data, refine the approach
Conceptual Design
12/2022
Team
Concept draft (s)
Final Recommendation: Final draft Public Involvement 2/23 Team
with a phased approach, transition
plan, costing, and decision making.
Final Recommendation City Council City Council 3/23 Team
Study Session
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May 2022
The project manager will use the following methods to ensure all stakeholders are reached,
informed, and engaged.
KEY MESSAGES
Currently, most expenses associated with the management of the golf course reside with the
leaseholder as a part of their business operations. A large part of the maintenance is performed by
volunteers. The City still retains responsibility for all capital needs, building maintenance and irrigation
repairs to main lines (^'$8,000/year), and irrigation water costs (^'$15,000/year). In addition, the
irrigation system would need to be replaced. This is part of the recommended capital improvement
costs. The City does not have a source of funding to pay for the capital improvement needs ($935,000-
$1.2M) identified in the most recent analysis. It is not financially sustainable for the City to continue to
subsidize the golf course. In addition to the financial implications, it is often a best practice to explore
the highest and best use of the land. It poses an opportunity cost if there are alternative uses that may
better serve the wider community. If alternative uses are explored, the capital and operational costs of
any alternate uses need to be considered as well.
The study, a Business Analysis of the Port Townsend Golf Club, was completed in 2019 and showed that
the course would need "considerable investment in improvements and modernization" for its
continuance as a golf course into the future.
PROS Plan community engagement results showed limited use of the Port Townsend Golf Course and
interest in golf in general. Most vision survey respondents do not have an opinion on the operation,
investment, or use of the golf course. For those who do have an opinion, most do not want to make
capital investments, set a cost recovery policy, or explore partnership options. For those with an
opinion, most do not want the City to stop operating the golf course, but others are supportive of
exploring alternative options.
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May 2022
❑
Create web content
❑
Flyer
❑
Task Force
with an updated
❑
Fact Sheet/Brochure
❑
Established Meetings
process.
❑
Ads
❑
Board/Commissions
❑
eNews or designed
❑
PT Leader
❑
Interest Groups
email
❑
Radio show
❑
Intercept events
❑
Social Media
❑
Direct Mail
❑
Stakeholders
❑
Video/Photography
❑
Signage/Posters
❑
Event/Promotion
❑
Poll or survey
❑
Hard copy survey
❑
Open House
❑
Media Release
❑
In-person
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poll/survey
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KPTZ Calendar
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Online Questionnaire
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Public Meetings
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Farmers Market
KEY MESSAGES
Currently, most expenses associated with the management of the golf course reside with the
leaseholder as a part of their business operations. A large part of the maintenance is performed by
volunteers. The City still retains responsibility for all capital needs, building maintenance and irrigation
repairs to main lines (^'$8,000/year), and irrigation water costs (^'$15,000/year). In addition, the
irrigation system would need to be replaced. This is part of the recommended capital improvement
costs. The City does not have a source of funding to pay for the capital improvement needs ($935,000-
$1.2M) identified in the most recent analysis. It is not financially sustainable for the City to continue to
subsidize the golf course. In addition to the financial implications, it is often a best practice to explore
the highest and best use of the land. It poses an opportunity cost if there are alternative uses that may
better serve the wider community. If alternative uses are explored, the capital and operational costs of
any alternate uses need to be considered as well.
The study, a Business Analysis of the Port Townsend Golf Club, was completed in 2019 and showed that
the course would need "considerable investment in improvements and modernization" for its
continuance as a golf course into the future.
PROS Plan community engagement results showed limited use of the Port Townsend Golf Course and
interest in golf in general. Most vision survey respondents do not have an opinion on the operation,
investment, or use of the golf course. For those who do have an opinion, most do not want to make
capital investments, set a cost recovery policy, or explore partnership options. For those with an
opinion, most do not want the City to stop operating the golf course, but others are supportive of
exploring alternative options.
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May 2022
The City signed a lease for the operations of the course until December 2023. At the time the City
decided to sign an operational lease through 2023, the City also identified a need to consider whether it
should make additional investments in the golf course or identify alternative uses.
Port Townsend Golf Club is an aging golf facility located in a small market with a mix of marketable
amenities. The NGF completed a study of the viability of the PTGC and found that the facility is
challenged by its declining physical condition and somewhat remote location which limits its potential
market support.
As such, the City faces a challenge in continuing to operate the PTGC, and it is only with new investment
and a change in operating structure can this golf facility become a sustainable amenity for the City. In
summary, NGF believes that the City can improve the operational condition and economic performance
of the Port Townsend Golf Club through action on the following NGF recommendations:
1. Make a new investment in the PTGC facility, focusing on improving the condition of the golf course
and clubhouse (estimated cost of $1.2 million+).
2. Change the operating structure by not renewing the operator lease and committing to a form of City
self -operation (possibly with an F&B concession).
3. Hire the appropriate senior staff to manage and maintain the facility, including a PGA (or LPGA)
designation for operations oversight and a GCSAA designation for golf course maintenance oversight.
4. Improve the marketing of PTGC, especially in technology, improved website, email program, and
direct initiatives with Port Townsend lodging establishments.
5. Commit to a new focus on attracting less -traditional segments into golf (women, kids, minorities, etc.)
through enhanced player development programming.
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May 2022
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Role of the stakeholders:
• Regular meeting attendance: stakeholder meetings and public meetings.
• Listening to what you hear from the community and representing the desire of the wider
community in this stakeholder group.
• Guiding project team (not decision making)
• Sharing your ideas with the Project team and city
• Presenting with the project team at Parks Board and City Council meetings
• Be a facilitator for break-out groups at larger meetings.
• Lead intercept events as needed.
Goals of Phase 1 Community Engagement:
• Review of PROS plan, Community Strategic plan
• Facilitate focus/interest groups to develop key criteria/principles to guide the community
discussion.
• Align the key criteria/principles with previous planning efforts, and community discussions.
Goals of Phase 2 Community Engagement:
• Review the golf course's current status and a most recent study
• Start the visioning process of what it could be.
• Pros/Cons of the golf course or repurposing
• Solicit feedback on a vision
• LA starts to draft concepts.
Goals of Phase 3 Community Engagement:
• Reflect on 2-3 Concept plans by LA
• Interactive process, what does the community like, what do they not like.
• Public input to guide final designs and decide on the golf course.
Goals of Final Recommendation Community Engagement:
• Gather feedback on concept plan (s)
• Cost out the concept plan
• Align with Mountain View Campus launch of the master plan
• Take recommendation to Council
Phase 1 COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT June — Auqust 2022
Date
Task
Meetings
Status
July- September
Stakeholder recruitment and kick-off
2-3
2022
Outreach: press release, radio show, market,
distribution announcement, online
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May 2022
PHASE 2 COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT September — November 2022
Date
questionnaire, web presence, social media
push. Schools, community groups
Meetings
Status
September 2022
Hold focus groups to identify key principles
to frame the planning process.
4-5
November 2022
Stakeholder review of data and provide
guidance
1-2
Brief Parks and Trails Commission
1
Brief City Council
1
PHASE 2 COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT September — November 2022
Date
Task
Meetings
Status
September 2022
Stakeholder preparation
1-2
November 2022
Plan for the first phase of public
1-2
enciaciement
1
Outreach: press release, radio show, market,
distribution announcement, online
questionnaire, web presence, social media
push. Schools, community groups
Public open house #1, virtual open house,
1 in-person, 1
online survey.
virtual
Stakeholder review of data and provide
1-2
guidance
1
Brief Parks and Trails Commission
1
Brief City Council
1
PHASE 3 COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT: January— March 2023
Date
Task
Meetings
Status
October -
Stakeholder meeting kickoff of Phase 3
1
November 2022
Stakeholders: Plan for second public
1
enciaciement
Outreach: press release, radio show,
market, distribution announcement, online
questionnaire, web presence, social media
push. Schools, Community Groups
Public Open House #2,
1 in-person, 1
virtual
Stakeholders: review input and provide
1
guidance
Meeting: Parks Board/City Council Study
2
Session Update
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May 2022
FINAL RECOMMENDATION & DECISION MAKING: April - May 2023
Date
Task
Meetings
Status
January -March
Stakeholders
1-2
2023
Outreach: press release, radio show,
market, distribution announcement, online
questionnaire, web presence, social media
push. Schools, Community Groups
Public Open House #3
Stakeholders review input and final
1-2
concepts, provide guidance
Briefing Parks Board
1
City Council briefing and
2-3
discussion/decision
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May 2022
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Meeting Notes
To: Stakeholders
Topic: Public Project Launch
I AMIPSCAP I AIRCHIP IMU IRI; U 1113AN Ial:,.SIGN I P"I:.ArVlrVlING
Date: 10/25/2022
Location: Golf Course/ Mt. View Project: PT Golf Course/Mt. View Time: 2:00-4:00 pm
Commons Concept Planning Effort
Port Townsend Golf Course and Mt. View Commons Project Launch and Meet & Greet
The purpose of the meeting is to officially kick off the project with the public and to provide community
members an opportunity to meet city staff and the design team. The following project team members
will be in attendance:
Carrie Hite - Director of Parks and Recreation Strategy, City of Port Townsend
Chris Jones - Landscape Architect and Principal, Groundswell Studio
Rebecca Melvin - Landscape Architect and Project Manager, Groundswell Studio
Kristin Anderson - Public outreach consultant and Senior Associate, Stepherson & Associates Communications
David Hein - Golf course consultant and Vice President, Oki Golf Management
The role of city staff, design team members and stakeholders at the project launch is to answer
questions about the project, hand out comment cards, and let people know how they can get involved.
We anticipate there will be several commonly asked questions that we have provided suggested
answers for below. If you don't know the answer to a community members question, feel free to direct
them to talk to Carrie, Chris or Rebecca.
Is the golf course going away?
A: The future of the golf course property has not been decided yet. A variety of considerations
will guide the final recommendation for the future of the golf course (for example, cost,
technical feasibility, equity, accessibility, and community input). David Hein, the golf course
consultant supporting the design team, will conduct an independent analysis of current golf
course function and financial viability. Part of that analysis will include reviewing and
considering a 2019 study of the golf course conducted by the National Golf Foundation.
Will the golf course property be used for housing?
A: We are starting the discussion of the future of the site as a blank slate. We have received
much initial interest indicating a desire for the golf course property to be public open space.
Many citizens have voiced concern that as it is today, the golf course isn't considered public
open space as only golfers can use it. There has been an interest in housing, but more of an
interest in leaving it either a golf course or park land.
How can 1 get involved?
Www.citvofpt/envision: Read about the process, leave a comment, read a comment log, sign up
for the distribution list.
600 FIRST AVENUE SEATTLE, WA 98104 P: 206.388.2066 WWW.GROUNDSWELL.STUDIO
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I AMI pSCAPI AI CHIIII° I M U.UI11 U.UIIIVAN IPI:,.SIGN I PI Al'VIINIIING
Parks and Trails Advisory Board and City Council: Upcoming meetings, speak during public
comment.
Stakeholders Committee Meetings: Either log on or attend in person to watch the process,
members of the public are welcome to listen in.
Upcoming Public Open Houses: Keep your eyes open, as they will be here soon!
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July 5th emaiit Ih—one specific — b— the golf course at this time. l hope m get an opportunity to Thanks for your resp — We will consider the,ein the planning process.
council engage with others when the pubilc i, invited to partici pate. l think your key role a, city leaders i,
1 n this process is m ensure that stronga nd healthy principles a re ertath—d before people start
debating the details. I have a ,ugg-- for three principles m c—d-
1. The property currentlycontaining the golf course moat remain open ao ce for all time.
This insane thinking longterm —very longterm. It means no housing, no new buildings, "new
roads, - new permanent rRuctures. There are many ways that this property — remain open
space and benefit the citizens of our twn—including, but not limited to golf I find it helpful W
ask myself `what will the citizens of Port T,.—dd 150 years from naw be very g-00that
we did with the golf courre i" Pe —ily, I think they will be glad we kept it open space. The
golf courre property may ane day be the `Central Park" of Port Townsend when the city hoe
grown to leve ie that we, today, — hardly imagine. And although, a, we all know, we
despeately need mare affordable housing the 59 acres of the golf course property i, the
wrong place. W e have hundreds of 11e, of buildable land all over thepiace—including uptown
en. We have hundreds of 11e, of city awned, county awned, state awned, privately awned
a
lnd far building.
2. The property currently containing the golf course moat contribute to mitigating climate
change. This might mean mare Hees, different kinds of trees, other ways to sequester arbon.
Batas city leaders you absolutely mus[ take a bald and pubilc stand tar mitigating climate
change—not so much tar whatconmbution 59 acres — make (itis not in,ighfiant) but mare
the leadership and in,p-- it —show tail of u, since it will be visible and will likely
engage many of u, If not mar[ of u,.
3. The property currently containing the golf course moat increase diversity and
incluaivenesa. Portiownrend is ane of the leas[ diverse and leas[ inclusive communities
anywhere. Currently Port Townsend i, like mine kind of 55a hdaver retirement community
made up mostly of white (increasingly wealthy) democats. Nonv✓hit, people are welcome to
srt here but usually as music hcuity tar Centrvm or same otherartrtic/cuituai visitation.
Young people are welcome t wort: here but not to live here—unless they are helped
fi -daily by pa rents.So, what imagination could be brought to bear on the golf course t help
13Jui-22 email Ia headysubmittedacomment to the Engage PF emaii(engagept®cityofptue) expressing my Thank,foryour comments. Wewiii c -,,d,, these pointe m the pianningprocess.
w,. The golf course and commons are a great PF iemurce and this i, - opportunity forvision
and progress. I support conversion of the golf course W a -t—i area with waikinga nd bike
paths, highgghNngand expanding native loaf PN W ecosystem,, including Kah Tai Paine above
and N—Iiai marshes m the lowlands. Hopefully there would be interpretive linage about those
uai ,yrtem, and N—Iiai thbai ore. I aim am concerned about PF', lack of affordable
housing and would like t see part of future plans for the golf course and commons
—daffordable housing. support recreational opportunities like the pickle ball court,
and dog pari:. W e take aur dogs the pari: daily and aur daughter and fi-lends swim in the pool. I
do-t,upport ented,,- of the golf course into the future, due to environmental impacts,
limited interest, and cart. Far Contex; my family live, a few blocks from the common,, and I
regularlywalk or bike with my daughter o her way to school. But we do not go into the golf
course, because except tar p,a ewatching, it doe, not welcom e non -goiters.
17Jui-22 lam wnting to offerinput- the PF golf course. Whatever course the city council decide,,I Thank, for your comment,. W, Ml c -,,d,, these point, in the pianningprocess.
tangly encouage keeping public access t all the land, such that the land i, open to the pubilc.
m open to ideas haw pubilc access best tit, with the Mountain View community center. I am
,—gly opposed to developing the land tar residential ore, low income or mai- ate.
3—g-22 email The golf --,-t broken-it,nic,IJ-'t golf but l enjoy the open space. Thank, for your comment,. W, Ml c -,,d,, these point, in the pianningprocess.
5-S. 22 letter To. the Mayor and City Council of P-Tb—.end Thank you for your b—, -i— l hope that you will remain engaged in the com moony process around the
SuM- Potential Closure of the P- Tb— ... d Golf Course future of the golfc--Thank you agarol
Fm of all, 1 amta goiter, but I am concerned about ou...... hnnking open space. once open
space ie Ion, it probably won't be open space ever again.
You have heard ail the a rgum.nte to, retaining the golf course. My concern is Mat it will be
developed to, alternative uses. Alternative uses often include paving, buiidingsand pad:ing lots.
It M. golf course were developed, acres of open space would be loss forever.
I grew up in S.atti, in th.'30e,'40, a n AN, it was a livable city then. I was well a ware of the
`Greater S.atti.'movement. Seattle.mbad:.d ono progam of non -rt op development look at
wattle now,
Development ie addictive. let's not develop the Port Townrend Galt Course; keep it in its natuai
state to, future g...ations.
6-S. 22 Public lastsp—g Ken Hite was hired to develop a com preh.n—unbiased ase.sem.nt of City land that Presentation at Council, notmgth... ie no pre-0etermined outcome. Thanks to.you. com mems, you.input will
comment includes M. golf course. However, as we ail read in M. PDN, she was given inrtructione by M. be considered.
Gty ManagerW "..purposethe golf course. Si, ended any passibility of an unbiased
assessment, and puts into question M. utility of the Hnai ...hsione and recommendations.
A few weeks later I received an email from Mayo. Faber that added to M. skepticism. It read, in
part,"I do anticipate the result of this'-dy) will be the end of the golf courre fora hast of
s." All Mie before any public input.
Fortunately the decision on the future of that .enable117 year aid golf course and the last
large, treed open space so near townie not up to the Mayor o. City Manager -itis in the hands of
the Council who I hope remain open minded.
Pieare, Council members, consider haw your children and grandchildren will look back at your
decision. Will they applaudyourdecisionto retain that space to. them, o, will they- your
choice to succumb W a short term monitory gain through development that sa-f- the open
space and the golf course. You. l.ga, will largely be determined by that decision.
Pieare also consider M. dozens of Councils dating back m 1905 who pushed aside numerous
empte m allow development of the course. They hadthe vision, and the knowledge of its
-portant. m the community, and the cage m stand up top
of development minded
schemers who didn't und.mand M. a.nh.tic and functional value of the open space and the
golf courre.
My question to you ie -do you have that mm, vision, undemanding, and, especially, the couag,
to tallow their lead W retain that beautiful space2
13 -Jun -22 b— My ria me is Virginia Adams and l reside in Port Townsend, WA Thanks for your comment,.Yourinput wf be c.,,dered ae part of Me planning pr—,
1.Though am nota golfer, plan to learn the Same and add it W my physiai exerts,regimen.
s affordable, easily accessible loation and plenty of mentors and coaches a re available to teach
golf, I am in the baby boomer category and if s never too late to learn a new sport.
2,1 have many friends who live in the area and use the golf course on a regular basis and my out-
of-town relatives who visit Portiownsend and are avid golfers. tart year, we held a family
reunion at Fart W-11 and the golfers played a morning round of Soif at the city course.
3. W haus the PROS Pian Community Engagement Pian results mentioned in the agenda/memo as
recentPlease give the dates it was conducted.
4. My bmtherynaa w, James —Hy (509- Ill -0210)isa Nan M Golf Asmciation member,
mall business owner of Planet Turf and has pacflced as a consultant to many golf courses
throughout the US and in WA State. He told me that Soif course — and revenues have gone
"through the roof' since the beginning of the pandemic in SP -9 of 2020. 1 believe that another
study needs to be completed or the 2018 National Goif Foundation needs an update. Far
n addendum that shared trends and future far golf couaesin geneai and reports on
what the data shows far PF Goif Course on the —g,and revenue in the past two years.
—122 tetter In short, myvision for these two propertiesis to unite them intoone, gorgeous, thming, cental Thanks for your comment,. Yourinput wlii be c-,,dered aspa I of the planningprocess.
pari:, with Blaine closed between the two properties. Keep a full9 hale golf course, but realign it
modate walking routescnsscrossing the property, using housing for MTs remuae
would spend an unrenewabie resource.
—122 Phone Call Please consider climate and energy justice, social justice. Thanks for your comment,. Yourinput will be c-,,dered as part of the planning process.
14 AP, tetter Highiightmgaii thevblunteeriabor at the course. Thank you for your service.
28 22 Notes Consider walkmg, bikingtaiis, open space, as natual as rt a n be. More amenities for youth. Thankyouforyourinput.
28 -Jun -22360-809- You probably ca n't eurvNeasa golf course.Intererted in open space, open for people. ISmit golf Thankeforyourcomm ent,. Yourinput will be consvderedas part of Me planning process.
0465 34 days/wk, 2x week walking tails, 1. week motorized Soif carts Charge a nomtnai sum or
larger sum tar the art rentals. Keep reauant.
12 -Sep -22 Engag,PF Where can individuals provide input and -g--, ft, bett,ruses for the property Matis now Thank you for your comments. W e will be sure to use these in our planning effort,
tared as a golf courre�
There are many possbie uses for this city property that would rerve many mare residents than
the current use.
The golf', iscurly under used, a rid provides little value to m art Portiownrend area
residents. W hale we may appreciate the frees and the green space in the center of our town, we
n allowed on the property accept on the dmeway during the t—, there have been a
functional ate. And part food business have never provided food orambiance t, daw non -
golf—,
ouid love to res mart of this property remain as green space, but space that welcomes ail
esidents and visitors, not just the few who play golf. The golf course at Discovery Bay is a better
facility tar mast golf enthusiasts.
1 think the Qty property may be large enough to serve multiple pure — It would be wonderful
to have a modest but beautiful performing a rts center where here, perhaps where the current
buildings and-- area is. Ideally this could ha -a only —d -adjacent parking area, with
s sof the pasising along 19th and even over on the Mountain View ampul. This would leave
much of the property as a pari: with treesand walking paths. The pond area could be restored
with native vegetation, with limited access provided by ailed boardwalks; this would protect
wildlife while providing better views of the pond.
ouid love to res a small darter of afforda bis coag, homes or duplexes at the corner of San
Juan and 19th, perhaps developed by Habitat far Humanity with covenant, that would maintain
affordability on reale. Orthi, could be a modert rent controlled apartment complex.
9/14/2022503330 -Sign ab- I,— our g.ff course". Wedefinitely -d t,, -p g,,,, Oiderand sTT that
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uhband area, For example, the nat pff , Seattlei, a well —
d—na— f,, the East take --g— Audubon SI,-, Th, P- Tb.n,,hd pff ha,
,il— habitat f--- I have recorded 70 p,,,,, of b,,d, at the PT Gbif Cb,,
without
making any p,,,aI Of-, jhn noting different .... birds a, I played a I,,— golf h.Gbif
a I, tftel, better ,,IdIff, habitat than places I,k, city pari:, baa- there i, I..s human
d,,ba. GbIl db not... t- — 'na—areasal" aa, Ikmloreg f,, a ball, h a,
b,d, b"totexplore the It- inaccessible areas of p-, Al,city pari:, db not typically have
anaged' wetlands,meadows and f, t, -,ad they are manicured. Th, pond and
adja— wetlands at the P- Tb.n,,hd pff are pI,, of excellent un anaged
:ban ,,b1,hhab,tat 1, there .e., who hhd Land, the pblan,, of habitat diversity in
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areas
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11 -Jun -22 -0 L.k through the agenda packet f,, Council's Monday Ire, you are deep into the
process for the g.ff course. Unless I blbI,k,d It, I see no lf ...... W a second
1, 1,1 area at the Pcourse, , th, area naw referred ,d a, H -mg, P- Th,
.hIt'l
Ib a, _" called Spring Valley Gbif Cb-, and what wa, th, 'p -g is naw the
pond and .11-d, with f- acres protected, at ba,t in theory (It ha, been repeatedly
--a- by `-ht I ....... n my bp-.), I have attached the page in Appendix A f,. the
2020 PROS Pla,, that speaks to the pl-b—,., . bath the pond/wetland area and the p,a,,,,,
bath lined a, ,,t,,aI lt
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attached the —1— delineation f,— 1993, f,_ the city , Ba- 8 information.
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9 1u 2email I would like tomake suggertionsregard th,f—,u fthe la nd that currently i,th, golf course. Liz.I will add you to thegoif course engagement dirmbunon li,twhere you an stay informed aboutthe process
and provide inputas we go. This proress will start in the next few weeks. Thanks.
I haven't had success with
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Oh, by the way, I love aur pool, I love are pans and I love are city!
Thank you for your efforts!
15 Se 22 email My na me i, Cameron Jone,a.1lentiy read the article in The laderregarding the community Thank, so much foryourcomments. Iwouidweicome any connectionsorcontac[syou haven ensure that we
engagement pi an with a Sattiefirm to fig— out the ben course ofac[ionfor thegoifcourse. have a diversity of voices at the table. The rtakehoidets committee inciudesrepresentatrves of Mountain View
When l initially read Ma;Iwasiairiy conf—d a, to why the my would pay for a nother Commons beaure the I—t— of possibilities with the com nonny includes Mountain View Common,. As
asses nt(especiaily outside Jefferson County)—I, the city itself already reached out to the unity amenM—, it makes sense to look at these two properties a, they are contiguous with each otherand
unity regardingwhat to do with the .If cours, l do u , t -d that Mere'„one could complement each other.
trepidation W take substantial action with the c -t, -,d shadow of the Cherry Street project, but
It rnii seem s like ail the prior feedback has been disregarded. l know that sevealintererted This project was requerted by the City Council in 2020 u was put on hold due W the pandemic. It is now much
groups even wrote up really well thought out propos is for what to do with the .If course...wiii saner to gather, a rid people are more comfortable joining together, hence much aBier to pian.
thore be included in this pracess?
Aside from this initial confusion, I have a larger concern regarding who i, part of the stakeholder
group. undemand the YMCA and--havinga stake due to their proximity and
potential symbiotic relationship with what happens at Me golf course, but there seems a lack of
diverse reprerentation at the table. I get the full lirt of folks on the board has yet m be released,
but feel like Mere are important groups a rid voices that are not a, represented as they were
during the previous community engagement process. Voice, that represent wort: class folks,
people of color in aur community, and housing --t—
feel like Bayside Housing or GII would be a suitable organ2ation to be a part of the
stakeholder group. There', aim Shy—, I`—, a coalition of different f-111,builders, and
a t who are neighbors to the go if course on the opposite side of San Juan who might h—
,—,
ave
,ome5input an the future of the .If course.
Hone.tly, wish the ben for you on this project a rid hope that there an bea mare diverse and
inclusive discussion than usually, isthe ase in this community. feel like it', always the ane
es atthe table making decisvons. So appreciate you taking the time to read this email, and 1
hope you consider expanding who is involved in this community outreach portion of pianningthe
Th, stakeholder committee's rale i, to listen W the general pubk ( and a diversity of opinions, voices, and people)
and help the consultant and -,if represent accuately what the community i, raying. To that extent, it is mart
important tar aur community to engage in the open houses that will be scheduled to make sure theirvoices are
heard. The stakeholders will not form the recon mendanon that goes to Council, the community will.
Thanks a gain for your comments and I will make sure they are reprereI,- in this process
9/25/2022 email Thankyouforyourinvoiv,me.t in i,ymagininghoww,might b-umth, PortT--d Goif Thanksso m uchforyourinput. l have added yourcomments/thought. to the logand wewiii consvd,rth,m as we
Course prop,rty.Thi.emaii i. my opinion on - subject. It Mere i. a person t whom this plan. Thanks so much for taking the time to com me.t.
opinion would be m ore appropriately addressed, please let me know. In g .... kl, I would like to
see us apply the Frst P,opi,s' adage W do whkti, b- for the Ah ge. ,kh . from naw.
It we had no debt and a large ash reserve, Men aur choices would u.doubtedky be different Man
they need to be in light of our current financial state. W, an't afford W pave our meets. W,
have tens of millions of dollars of debt, awed by a community of f,w,rthan 10,DOD people. And,
along with the denial by aur pubilc offs—is that thisi, a problem, we p—a the ongoing increase
inh'k._ur, spending, knowing that 25 W 50 years from now we will not have the —y t,
mai and/orr,piac, that infix mottos,, unless we take it from future geneations. Almost
every city andtown in A-- has done this, which i. ane of the ream.. that aur national
inf_tructur, is so badly d,terfoated. I know haw tempting perpetual growth i. m pubilc
official.. They an permit an inf—[sudor, project today which will bring in money, maybe lots
of it, while the bill tar maintaining and then replacing that inf—[sudor, i. put off fora
ge. ,kh . or two until someone else i. in office. So my first wish i. that we not do that.
Applying that —,kt, if the golf course an be run as a business that does not cost th, City
anything, great, do that. It it i,a net gain to the City, even better. It, however, we need m spend
.,y to keep itaHoat, on irrigation, on mowingand/or on infasnuctur, maintenance, money
ompi,tety matched by income from the golfcourse opeations, then pure do not do that.
Clos, the golf course; Dont irrigate it, don't mow it; lave rtasan unmaintained,wiidspac,—
yes,know Mat it mky eventually re vert to a 59111, blackberry patch. The pointis, we do not
need any mare unnecesary infiartructur, spending.
Wehave made a lot of quertio N, expendituresin recent years, so I amt —g—, about_ d.
boutwisdom of our decisions. The Cherry Street Apartments? The Howard St— Ente..io.? These
9/21/2022 Engage PF HI'll
.l would lik,m comment about the poor National Goif Course Foundation study that has Thank you so much for yourinput for this —unity discussion aboutth, I`-T—Ins..d Goif Course and
been referred to overthe months during discussions about Me golf course.Ithinkrtwasa Hawed Mountain View Commons. Iwiii passyour quertions alongto our pianningtam. We have an opeationai
study asrtdid ,...:w to be tailored too small town 9fiol, golf course. l hope that the neo actforth, Goif Course Matis effective through Decem ber 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the
study orsurv,y will c-tk,t,t ore people in the city and the county. l would like to know how the future, both for the Goif Cou rm and M ou.tain View Comm o... W, will add your comm e.ts to the planning
newly engaged landsap, architect will determine uage of the golf course. It households are process tartan.ideation. In the meantime, plea se visit this webpage for other ways you an rtky involved in the
used, what will be the definition of"houmhoid"?Home ownersand r,.tersuse the golf course, n. Envision Port Towns,.d Goif Course and Mountain View Comma.. City of Port Town send
plus a family m embersh,p tee aninciud,avarying a mount of people. And, not ail m o.thiy or W-mgto.(ciryofptus). Thanks again for taking the t— m send your comments.
annual pass members nm each time they go to the golf course (even though they are
suppomd W do so tar r,corda:eep purpores). H aw many residents ofth, city and county will
be contacted fora survey, if any? And haw will we be contacted) Our county does not quite Ht
the statistical norms,m a .,,,y or study will need Wtake aur quirksinto consideration.
atch,dthe video intro-atgth,iandsape architect and was pleased to harthat he and his
firm seem t. understand Mat aur county i. a bit different. As the golf course i, look,d at, the dog
pari: and the pool should aim be looked at with the ams criteria. Ali 3 are available W be used
by Me pubilc, and all3 end up serving only a percentage of the county's residents. W iii the
nal opportun-, Ii be looked at with the amscnteria� There is also the skateboard
paikeand the basketball courts/tennis court,/pickiebaiI courts. Aii of which take up space and are
used by only a percentage of the pubilc. Each recreational activity servesa specific group. Ido not
favor any of them recreational activitiesa nd Meir spaces being taken away for another non-
recreat—aium.Thankyoutaryourconsvderah-
9/22/2022 Engage PF Tum haifofth,goifcours,land into affordable housing, muifl unit and single homes mixed,and Thankyou so -H-— input for this community discuss ion about the Portio..... A Goif Course and
the other half into open green space and garden. Mountain View Common.. W, have an opeationai contrac[forthe Gbh C_
Courm that is effective through
Decem ber 2023 and we are in the midst of pianningfor the future, bath for the Gait Course and Mountain View
Common.. W, will add your co tme.ts m the planning process for co.svderah— In the meantime, please ,,it
this webpage tar other ways you can stay involved m the co. —ah .. Envision Port Townsend Gait Courm and
Mountain View Common. I City of Port Townsend W-mgto.(cityofptus). Thanks again for taking the timeW
send your --t,
9/22/2022 Engage Pt Keep the golf course as open space... and keep the goiters since they'll help maintain the space. l Thank you so —h for yourinput for this nom mutiny discussion about the P-Tbwn... d Gbit Course and
would love mm e gavel paths for walking, and so me days/times when th—paths are jun for Mountain View Cbmmbn.. W, have an op,ationai contract for the Gbit Cburre that i. effective through
walkers. And rarity walkers outside those time, that they walk at their own tisk! l don't golf,but December 2023 and we are in the midst bf planning for the future, both for the Gbit Cburseand Mountain View
the area is my pari:, native piant.,my Toy bf r,111,9ed blackbirds and other wildlife, my cross- Cbmmbns. W, will add your comments t, the planning process for consvdeation. In the meantime, pieasevisit
untry ski taii,and my greenways Otherhmily-friendly activities could be developed that don't this webpage forotherwaysyou can stayinvolved in the conversation. Envision Portibwnsend Gbit Cburre and
j,op--the beloved open, pari: quality bf thearea. to rts� Pickle bol The M ountain M ountain View Cbmmbnsl Qty bf Port Town.,nd Washington hcitybfptu.J. Thanks a gain for taking th, time tb
View area shbuid be made tb b,tterrerv, the"hard "bitsnpooi,putt-putt golf, a bowling ailey?, send your comtents.
m— pari:ing the Rerycl,ry, food bank.
9/23/2022 Engage Pi Asa new member bf this community beginningin August,2022,1am so im pressed with the spirt Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion aboutthe Portibwnsend Gbit Cburseand
bf community here and th, g --e desire tb cantina, tb im prove recratibn bpp--ti,. here.I M ountain View Cbmmbns. W, have an op,ationaicontrac[ fort h, Go If C_ that i. effective through
a"d t. fmda very nice Gbit course that l have played a few times. It i. a real gem for the December 2023 and Weare in the midst bf pianningforthefuture, both for the Go it Course -dm
nd Mountain View
city and a shame If the Qty decided tb close it for aitemate uses. This course cbuid be m uch Cbmmbns. W, will add yourcomm,tits t, the planning process for consvd,ation. In the meantime, pieasevisit
better utilized by goiters who live orvi.it here If there was better effort by the Qty tb prbmbte it. this w,bpa ge for bth,r ways you can stay involved m the conversation. Envision Pbrt Tbwn.,nd Gbit Course and
The photos bn the Qty websiteand very nice, but the description should be changed tb ay 9/18 Mountain View Cbmmbnsl Gty If Portiownsend Washington (Citybipt.u.).Thank.again fortakingthetimetb
hole c,—,as with the different tee placements one an play t8 holes. Many visiting goiters send your comment,
might get the wrong impression by ailing it a 9 hale course. The Cb—, cbuid use same help by
the City tar maintenance upgrades. This course i1 so beloved that many loaf goiters actually
volunteer their time tb help with upkeep. This i. haw revered this course isl Pbrt Town ... d has
pi,rrty bf parks inciudinga very nice and large ane m Fart Warden, also Ft Town.,nd and bn
M ---at Fart Fiagi,r. W e dbn't need another pari:, but tb be a complete Qty tb provide
torah, we db need this golf-- I play at W httehbrs, in Kingston, P- W diow GC, Trophy take
and bth,rs a rid they ail have walking paths that don't interfere with golf that are used by the
genal pubilc. I think PF GC cbuid passible add same wthis course t, accommodate those that
don't gth, butwant tb take a walk there. This tames with cart, bf --, but less than it .-Id
take W completely retool thi.forjurta pari: ua ge. Please keep the golf course going and help
prbvid,for ongoing maintenance. Thank you.
9/25/2022 Engage PF As an avid goIter,l-.giy ---d l,avingth, golf courre as a golf co —It shbuid be Thank you so —h for yourinput for this community discussion abbutthe Portibwnsend Gbit Course and
promoted m bre by the city—directional signs, brbchur,.in motels/hotels, etc. It shbuid aisb Mountain View C --We have a n bpeatibnai cbnnac[tbrthe Goit C_ that is effective through
move fromGabri,i T—tba prbfessionai manager that wiI prbmbte golf events, be mare December 2023 and we are in the midst bf planning for the future, both for the Gbit Cb—,and Mountain View
aggressive in bringing in new —b' and maintain visibility and good will in burcity.The Cb—,W, will add your nom meats t, the planning process for consvd,at,-. In the meantime, please visit
uai h,-, bf the golf course i. unique and —Id be prbt—d—the last remnant bf pam,, this webpage for bth,rways you can stayinvolved in the con—at— Envision P-Tbwn... d Gbit Cburre and
the wetland where many birds breed, including the a re Virginia Rail, and the brush a rid Mountain View C --l Qty bf P-Town.,nd Washington hcitybfptu.J. Thanks again for taking the timeW
woodland thati. home wmany cotters and species bf birds. Gbif i. a recreation that can be send your --t,
enjoyed thrbughbuta persons lite; young and bid, alike, an participate. Yes, same money shbuid
be putintb the coos", but nothing like the inflated fig— the NGF recommends.
9/26/2022 Engage PF F bff, l am nota goIter. However, my husband isan avid goiter who uses the courre at lar Thank you so much tbryourinput bn this community discussion abbot the Pbrt Tbwn... d Gbit Cburre and
three tb fourtht aweek -h ,—M goiflng buddies. These people ange in age from J0 t. 90 M ountain View Cbmmbns. W, have a n bpeatibnai contact for the Gbit Cburre that is effective through
and golfing at the PF Cb—,i,a passion forth,". This little courre isan absolute gem a rid has D.cember2023 and Weare in the midst bf pianningforthefuture, both forth, Goif Cburseand Mountain View
been for 94 years. This is the perfect exeaire for pebpie of ail ages and is a sport you an Cbmmbns. W, will add your comm eats t, the planning process for consvdeat— loth, ",anti" e, please visit
m play ail youriif,. Pi,a.,let's keep this a pubilc courre and have the city take some this webpage for bth,r ways you can stay involved m the conversation. Envision Portibwnsend Gbit Cburre and
pride m it by putting it bn their webpage and iemng pebpie know that it i. there for th,iruseand M ountam View Cbmmbnsl Qty bf P- Town.,nd Washington hcitybfptu.J. Thanks a gain for taking thetime tb
enjoyment. send your --t"
9/19/2022 Email HI-Ithmkyou a,dthatth, pubilcan attend butcannot ay-ythmg. Howcan we get The pubilc will be able tb submit tom meatsbniine, and provide tom meats at numerous bpen haus.. and bniine
inforznat—brcomment. tb them If ha- f, that ananswer a question br--,thmg rvey.. The role ofth,rtak,hbid,rcommittee i. as a rtaffad,-, nom --.They will be charged with
eise?Wiii the committee havetheirbwn email orwiiirtgo through your lirteningtb the pubilc, the cbmments, the bniine bpen houses, and guidingthe design team and myself bn what
they heard. Thank you.
9/16/2022 email Thisnote into thank you formeetingwiM the PFgoifea lartnight andfordoingan—,pt,—i Thanksso m uchforyourcomments. There has been a study with NGF that wa s completed that speaks w Mese
job of handling a variety of questions and comments Tri o gra cions and informative manner.Th, t es. Whether they are actuate or not, they are preseotin the rtudy that was completed. This is the reason
ting grmtiy clarified
ht, theinformation gatheringprocess will unfoldthat will giveyouthe weohavehiredanotherNW golf consultant to III, I, study. Hopefully Mis study will cimrupany quertionaboutMe
basis foryour recommendations to the city council. results of the NGF rtudy. Thanksagain foryour comments. I will pass them alongto the pianningteam.
wish had don,a little mare homewori: beforeth, meeting. Today after reading overpass
releases from the city council and the related —,ie in the leader, I think itis—y important
goingforward that two misconceptions put forth in there documents be corrected. Frrt, Mat it
will cart about a million dollars to attar[ mare visits and make PFGC a viable golf courre, and
27 -arid, Mat the course is in a remote loation. I would be glad m talk with you in person, on the
phone,orw,tey,, further about why l Mink both these ideas are incorrect Insofaras it is
possible, think these two misconceptions need m be corrected for the pubilc going forward,
am hopeful that the planned Northwert golf consultant will have a broader perspective on the
game Man NGF, coupled with an appreciation for the unique nature of the Port Townrend
unity, ailowingthem to ree that the courre is actually much closer to the level of viability
that would mtisfy the council members.
9/26/2022 Engage PF Iwouid love forth, golf course space to be m ore amble for a m ore broad base if our tom mutiny. Thank you so much for yourinput for this tom mutiny discussion about the Portiownsend Golf Couaeand
It'd be wonderful m have a pari: similar W hj arroi in W— with native gardens, gathering
Mountain View Commons. I will pass yourque—, alongto ourpianningtmm. We have an opeationai
spaces both covered and uncovered, walking paths, kids play arms,and active sporting areas.
actfor the Golf Course Matis effective through December2023 and we are in the ttdrtof planning for the
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future, both for the Golf courre and Mountain View Commons. We will add your-_ m, tits to Me planning
process tar c—d—t— In the meantime, please visit this webpage tar other -y, y- an rtay involved in the
n'. Envision Port Townsend Golf Course and Mountain View Commons I City of Port Townsend
Washington h,tyofpt ). Thanks again for to king the tim e m send your comments.
9/26/2022 Engage PF Themain reason l want w keep the golf course isbeause of global wa--mg.'; we must preserve
Thank you so tt uch for yourinput for this community discussion a bout the Portiownsend Golf Couaeand
ur green, open spaces. The golf course is such a space and aim provides a sport that us both
M ountain View Commons. I will pass your quertions along to our planning team. We have an opeationai
heait-1 and nonpolluting.
actfor the Golf Course thatis effective through D-7 b"2023 and we are'the midst of planning for the
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future, both for the Golf Course and Mountain View Commons. We will add your tom m ents to the planning
process tar c—d—ti—In the meantime, please visit this — involved in the
bpother waysyou an -y
n'. Envision Port Townsend Golf Course and Mountain View Commons I City of Port Townsend
Washington h,tyofpt ). Thanks again for to king the time m send your comments.
9/26/2022 Engage PF HI'.I had 2 more questions'. I read in the material provided online that the PF Golf Course is
Our planning team will take intoconsvd,ation the rtormwater req --,tits and function a s we start the
considered part of the rtormwater management pian, so how would other uses affect that pian,
unity discussions. In addition, the city has pulled the titles W the GC property and the deed rertnc[ions
especially if impervious surfaces are used to cover part of the Golf Coursed also remember
denote that it m art be used for municipai purposes. Thanks for y-
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reading somewhere, maybe in an old email, that a city employee was unable to Hnd the written
30 agreements that laid out the rertric[ions on what the courre could be ured tar, but that he
thought that it had only been a verbal agreement. He 11 ed m be discountingany verbal
agreements. eat the State of Washington does regard verbal agreements as valid and binding
under mart circumstances. Haw did he document his rerearch in the City records? And
shouidcth,re be a mare rob- search of those records? Thank you, Cathy beatty.
9/27/2022-1 Hi -I a,j,,tw,,d,,,,g about the spot —h. at Tdooscan't even s2 at a table ontlt.lkto
Iwiiithink,bo ,h ofthis. Wewiii be pianningth,Open houses and invitingeveryonem weigh in,tthe open
each other unlessthere is another ojoining open room What ore your pl ons f a lot of peopla
houses in larger venues. The meeting this Thursday is the lit 20 person rtakehoid,rcommittee, where the pubilc
me' Will you go to Cotton bantling or community .,meth l n years post th ese things hove
v put. pus map Dort
rted to attend, butrtisnot to solicit in It isforthe stakeholders to hei he direction. Iwiii
31 ovetl to Commons at the Fort_ The chambers if full is a good place for coved exposure as there
11 10 ventilation_ Con you open wIld-1 aTd broaticast outsitle so people -odd heal? I kl- you
work with aur consultant w open up the hybrid meeting m the pubilc that wants m attend. Thanks far your input.
went a lot of people to engage so you must hove a plan for safety_
9/27/2022 Maii
Thank you so much foryourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. Iwiii passyour quertions alongto our pianningtmm. Wehaveanopeationai
actfor the Golf Course thatis effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the
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future, both for the Goif Course and Mountain View Commons Wewiii add your tom m ents to the planning
process tarconsideation. In the meantime, please visit this webpage tar other -y, y- an rtay involved in the
n'. Envision Port Townsend Golf Course and Mountain View Commons I City of Port Townsend
Washington h,tyofpt ). Thanks again for to king the time m send your comments.
9/28/2022 Engage PF Keep It golf courre fornow an d await a real dire need comet—m the future. Igua-- Thank you so —h for yourinput for this com —ty discussion about the Portiownse.d Goff Course and
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go
will pop up ev —ily in our iH—, and we're nna be glad we have that land stili. Already--- View Commons. I will pass our quertion' along to our I—- m. W, have an ---inn PT, There are 27 Qty owned parks, 5 Courcy owned parks, and 2 State owned pans bated act for the Goff Course that i'effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the
within Qty limits and 31 miles of tails. Mart we cannot even maintain or fund. Please let the golf future, both for the Goff Course and Mountain View Commons. W, will add your com mems to the planning
o opeate. Also my daughters golf and really enjoy it. I like the reamnabie pares process tarc—d—t— In the meantime, please visit this —bp tar other ways you an --- bpin the
and haw it's laid back not like a achy golf club course. n. Envision Port Townsend Gait Course and Mountain View Commons I City of Port Townsend
Washington (cityofptus). Thanks again for to king the t— m send your comments.
9/28/2022 Engage PF Keep the golf course. Please don't try to fix something that's not broken. Focus on fi-g the Thank you so much for yourinput for this com —ty discussion about the Portiownse.d Goff Courseand
'Keels Mountain View Common'. I will parr your quertion' along to our planning team. We have an opeationai
tbfor the Gait Course than' effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the
future, both for the Goif Courre and M—tain View Common'. Wewiii add your com m eats to the planning
process tar consideation. In the meantime, please visit this webpage tar other ways you an rtay involved in the
n'. Envision Port Townsend Goff Course and Mountain View Common' I City of Port Townsend
Washington (cityofptus). Thanks again tar to king the t— m send your comments.
9/28/2022 You have gotten nd of every otherpossibie fun thing to do in Port Townsend. Keep It golf Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this com iit—ty discussion a bout the I` -T nsend Golf Courseand
course. M—tain View Comm on'. Iwili pa"your quertion' along to our pianningtea m. We have an opeationai
acttor the Gait Course than' effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the
future, both for the Goff Course and Mountain View Common'. Wewiii add your com m eats to the planning
process tar consideation. In the meantime, please visit this webpage tar other ways you an rtay involved in the
n'. Envision Port Townsend Goff Course and Mountain View Common' I City of Port Townsend
Washington (cityofptus). Thanks again tar to king the t— m send your comments.
9/28/2022
Quertion'for Came Hite. 1. W ouid you please ask the Council members to walk clockwise
and the property, —mg at Mountain VIEW? On the golf—side of Blaine, 19th,
San Juan
and FStreets, the property prerentsa mmewhat"harms"fate to pede ,—,, aimort like a wail,
xcept for about 30D steps along Cherry ft.A Street to I9th. Also include the path up from the
endof Redwood to Cherry at A St. Same are raying that we need to prererve"open" space, but f
you are not a bird, deer, coyote or possibly a goiter, m call it"open" i'somewhat disingenuous.
2. Does the scope of wori: tar Groundswell include. a. Addressing the propored development at
the Shy Acre f— property across San Juan (haw many proposed unit' are in the planning or
once sat
permittinrg stage?); the future development of property across F Street; and also property on the Thanks so much forattending the m tmg yerterday afternoon. It was great to m set you
of San Jan uand F/Discovery where a gas station , with underground tanks' b.
Addressing the"Carznei" property, which the Qty may soon propose m s,IR Could this be
corpoated intoa rewormgof the Mountain View—m ? c. Reviewingloation' nearby
where taf i, circles may be proposed, tar example at Sims and --y? d. Creatinga link with
Kah Tai Lagoon and the --mg Sims Way alongside Boat Havens Quernon' for Groundswell
Landsape Architecture, Ch- ones and Rebeca Melvin. 1. Could this property be aur"Cental
Pari:;' in the tadition of Qimsted, knitting together Kah Tai, Mountain View, Happy Valley, and
the path alongside Quimper Village through Froggy Bottom to Fart —d-? 2, Are the coyotes
beingconsidered as St—Mil I Rebeca noted that"Landscape Architecture is as much about
listening as rt is about buiidingand impartingthe value of beinga -II --t, forthe
uai world." 3. Would it be passible to invite Architecture and Urban Planning Schools (U-,
W.S.U., etc) as participantsin a design charette to
Q—tion'for Came Hite
1. Would you please ask the Council members to walk clockwise around the property, starting at Mountain View'
On the golf course side of Blaine,19th, San J uan and F Streets, the property prerents a mme.- harms "face to
pedertreans, aimort like a wail, except for about 300 p,a long Cherry ftom A Street m I9th. Also include the
path up f,_ the end ofRedwod to Cherry at St. Same are raying that we need m preserve"open" space, but If
youare nota b_oyo
,ddeercteoorposs biya goiter rat an It open -s ewhatd ngen—
2 Does the scope of wort: tar Groundswell include. a. Addressingthe propored development at the Shy Acre hnn
1,bp"ty =hy P —
bpI11d t, the planning or o, -thhg -1,0), the future""'b development of
property , , Street; and M,, p,bp,,ty on the comer of San Juan and FSDI--y
where a gas
with h—191—d —kll
1, 111 hi,th, --1 p,op,,ty,which the City —Y,-np,opo,' tI e 11 Could this j, pIlt d I—
working bf the MhtT 11 1
c. Review ng nearby where -Iffi, ii -de, may be p,bpo,ed, to, example at Shl, and Kearney? t
d. Creating a link with Kah Ta, Lag.- and th, -e—kmg of Shl, Way aIbhg,,d, Boat Haven?Agan t ,T
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9/28/2022 Engage PT
Thank you so much to, y— - community to, this ty d,tabout the Pol Tb— end Golf Course and
Mountain— —
Mountain C.—, I will pa,, your qhe,h-, along W our planning team. We have - opelt—ai
the Goff Course that, effective through December 2o2 and ' are , tlhh, midst of planning —_g to, the
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o h,"t the Ila hg
both to, the Goff Cbi, — and M -ht— Vi— CWe.�,Ii add y—' corn
process to, consideation. the meantime, please —a this ebpag, to, other ay, y- an nay h -l— the
— Townsend Gaff Course and Mountain Vie. C.— City of Port Tb --d
Me— keep a, a pff courre. Dur youth use this course to, the high school team, cross country
--g— h,tybfpt—). Thanks again to, taking the thl, t, send your --ht,
event, and faild— in the community -joy —hg it.
9/28/2022 Engage PT
Sail, response
The PT Gaff has been a t,ea—e W be found in the middle of the heal of Port To—e-
G, .,hg hp in t— I've had the opportunity W spend great h—, making memories with my
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parent,, g,andpaet,, h,=:,d friends , the yeaGolfers of ail ages have the
learnthere minds
opportunity toand e both there and bodies n a heaithy outdoor experience.
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To b 1-1 ate hato, and future— - - —
le ,e lh— .Id be the ,eatto, ail of aur
unity. I _
'yhope h:t, y thought, and cares tar h important community —WhOI,
db not g. hhh-d'I Pie,a', our e torah oejoy, Sincerely, S,ott J, Phl,db,
399/2/2022
Townsend , a course.
Keep the Port Tb -- golf --golf—
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409/28/2022
Me— I,— the Goff --e
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41 9/2:/2022
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9/2/2022
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13 9/21/2022
Keep it a, a golf —
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44 9/29/2022
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course
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response
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p , golf course.
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Sail, response
dant golf.
179/2:/2022
Keep the golf --j
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'iS 9/28/2022
We, a,a family, I- going t, this co—e. Always friendly and it activity that my hole fay
Same response
an db tIg,th,
49 9/28/2022
Our children -ed a pfft,,,. Slatmg rink g.— Bowling alley g.— M— edb not
Same response
ate P'a'e 0, bid,
9/28/2022
Me— I,—the golf course a, a golf course. It is a valuable loci, affordable venue to, Jeff-
Sail, response
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_-ht, _ d ghe- Mike, aid and young. I .-Id, however, be n rapport of add,hg a —t,_ to,
-n- pff to add another activity to, ail ages
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course)
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Same
52 9/28/2022
Keep it a, pff course, adding a p- p- el,—
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213 Sep
Me— h,eth, pff o—efo, ho—hgfo, I. I --people. There are plenty of other pla— n
Sail, response
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to, bbo, -eat,, he,,th— , a ee,e Ia,b bf affordable ho— -
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inviting my Input.
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Me— be, this the port w—end pff o—ej 'il a b— and -a— port --,d girl and
Sail, response
nothing will fili in that space better then — ho— t— pff course.
55 9/28/2022
Would I- t, see a space similar W th CA RDT he,e the pff course is, with different
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bppol—t— to, people W --t, o-hieh,.Iffincluded).
9/28/2022
—el 9 hole PIT course W a d,,,,hg lh, Convert the —t t, -tbli —a, with t-1, and
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other ways to, humanoutsidrecreation., W enjoy bhierecreation. No housing. Other areas of PT are being
developed to, ho—mg, bath affordable and not affordable. Qhe, with a —e cental d,,,,,e pari:t"d
to be —e "livable".
9/28/2022 Same response
Ph—, keep IT ase golf course. Itis the only affordable place tar me and my kids t° play.
9/28/2022 Keep the golf coursea golf course. W hen IT , gone IT , gone. No getting R back. Same response
9/28/2022 Keep the g° If course) Same response
9/28/2022 Keep ttasafoid coure. Same response
9/28/2022 Keep the g° If course. Same response
9/28/2022 Keep our course. Same response
9/28/2022 Hi-gootl meeting antl gooI people and itl11, itsaemad However please stop putting prqutlicial
information in the paper_ You a gain mention several bad things about golf course ontl low interest to fluid) da. Thanks so much for attendin he rtkb,ablders .Th. inf—tion
from a survey that left out many people who use the course and put in an do, that it could go t wa nice y meet you yerter y gt group
away and be housing encouraging many people to went to get ntl of course There was no need that)sora using for the gaff courseisfi-°m a fully paid for and mnc[—d rtudy°f the golfc-- )can't deny that
to mention that in announcing the meeting_ You say you want to be fair and fyou do youshmd report or -1-1y, butwhkt we can do g°ingfo.ward is take th,,pportunityto sbbrtanflat, IT ornot and produce
at act add that many people want the golf course to smy as nis_ N least you did not put in the info—t,n that takes into consideanon Port Townsend. lam not inter—Ily pro.idingfaireinformation,
12 muton evenGhrisknows that e not right Please either take it offyour document, online and jun the facts we ink ..in fr°nt°f us. Book forward t°a robun community conversation. Thanks foryour
printetl material that farmers market people hand out or change it to say a local report coming or
k saemad expensive or something instaetl of trying to tlrll the 1 2 million into everyone who .add, comments.
about got course knowyour basses are pushing you but your word, are detrimental_
10/1/2022 email atnynowaman°r.e Deena connant pool usertorover�u y,ars, t,,hgtn, Deep en° Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the I`-Tb-ns.nd G°if Course and
forearts. a rid class when there isan inrt.uc[or. Igodaily, early, as soon asthe pool opens. Mountain View Commons. I will pass your qu.rtions along t° our planning team. W. have an,p—t—1
Two of my pool friends and l have come up with an idea t° replace our failing pool. Fest, there is c-tactforth,G°If Cols, than, effective through December 2023 and we are in the midrtof planning for the
a lot of grant money for pools and recreation,.sp.ciaily for 11.11 ora s. Second, land and a pian future, both forth,lint Course and Mountain View Comm ons. W. will add your cora merits to the planning
of what and where the pool would be is very important before gent money an be asked tar. Our process tar consid..ztion. In the meantime, please visit this w.bpage tar °the, ways you an nay involved in the
idea is rouse thefai.grounds more than a few days a y,ar.A Giympic mad pool there would be n. Envision Port Townsend Golf Course and Mountain View Commons) City of Port Townsend
a great place to rtan an activity center.rt' nth,bb,
'in,and there's a lot of room for parking, Washington h,tyimpt ). Thanks again for taking the flt°
me s,nd yourcomments.
which Mountain View is rarely lacking. The °cert of Dundee is have MANAGED growth at the
fairgrounds t° include oth„acnvrties torah ages. Which mightinciud, a gym (forth, pickle
bailers and others), an indoor skating rink, a building for in d° or year around farzners mabbI with
mom for seasonal vend°1st° tdl erect their tent, °, coverings during th, growing mason. Ifthis
paged well, this project could have a plan and do IT all in t,p,, not all at ante. There are
a lot of °the, possibilities that could be added as well. Grant money may be available fora lot of
these ideas, a,ingahuge burden on the taxpayers. W, have had trouble keeping professional
people here b.aus.the...... t anything here for kids t° do. W. need that changed so we can
have good young doctors and dentins and °the, professional people here and have them be glad
they came W aur community. The pool usersconcerns are a very aged pool with the life of aur
w” liner gettingW expiation date apidiy. The )art liner caused the pool closure tar °vera
,—it and very expensive too. The swim team doesn't have a r.gulat— pool W talo in and
other teams out came here for meets beaure their times don't count due t° the short lanes.
Our kids dere... better than this! And aur pool os being held together with bandaids. Asa 70+
year aid senior citizen, the pool is VERY important t° me for keeping me.x ""' joints being
able t° move and all around fun W be in the water. The Pool, for mart of the seniors. Is the only
activity we an d° t° keep us it
and moving. It's way mare, to us, than jun fun W, a
doe...ty! Missing...uonedaymak.sahugedifferenc.of in--f.ei and h--mo—I
ve from aim ort Marrowrton, Island and many days, mare than care to even count I get t°
the pool t° find they are closed tar chlorine levels,short tall, too cold to
swim, waiting for parts
9/29/2022 Engage PT Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P- Tb— ... d Galt Course and
Mountain View Commons. I will pass your qu.rtio's a long to our pianni'gtam. W. have an op.atio'ai
act for the Gait Course that's effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the
Towham it may concern, My name is Addie, 1 am tl years aid and i' 5th gads at O.C. E.A. N. As a future, both for the Gait Course and Mountain View Commons. W e will add your comments to the planning
kid i'P_Towns..d,lf.ei like my voice should matt...) believe the golf course should be processforc—d—t—In the meantime, plea se visit this webpage for other ways you a n-yinvolved in the
something for the whole corn munity like a multi ure pari: with an outdoorrtage, a corn munity n. Envision Port Townsend Goif Cours.a rid Mountain View Commons) City of Port Town send
organic gard1',a play area, and a toad t—b parking Tot. W. could ma k. one of the buildings a Washington h1Ityofptus). Thanksag—fortakingthe t— m send yourcomments.
place tar people to team about native history and culture and ane of the other buildings that's
already there could be an ar —,and, of course, aim hurt open space forac[ivinesI Ever since I
—k [,It the native H ower pals). a rid the rock that chef ifix'ah6 n t..d on, It made me
n the golf courre into a pari: even mare because I don't think this sacred land—ib
should
"h"'
by a golf course. I want It -
t m be a place where everyone fe.isi'vtt.d to visit
and acknowledge. W hen I looked at the website I saw that m order to keep the golf course
"Trig you would have m cut dawn tees and don't want that There ism much beautiful
re there but it is notfuily ope'to the pubilc f th,y'ie not there to golf There is this ane
willow nee on the property that think is ra ily beautiful but an't safely enjoy rt unless I'm a
goiter. The golf course is aim a major afery hazard. My friend, who lives on San Juan ave. has
shown me the nanous golf balls that have flown into he,
id and could have hit her. My dad also
almost got hit by a gait ball when walking on the opposite side of the road on 19th rt when it
bounced ail the way over the ielliery. Also, being m ciore to the road, a gait ball could swing
hi windshield at any --t. l think that the gait course should be turned into
mething de and accessible for the whale community.
9/29/2022 Engage PT Ilirt... d and watched online m the first stakeholders-1mg. 9/29/22, Much of the ah-
-
udio was
ompr.h.'sibi.. 1 hope that an be fixed. It appeared thata number of `stakeholders" were
not present. would like to be i'the stakeholder group.
9/29/2022 Engage PT
After attending the kickoff meeting on Sept 29, 1 telt that the b- decision criterion tar d.cisvo'
making regarding the site was stated near the end of the m..ting. " What at,,H.s the needs of
the m a rt residents of Pit". Wh...... dm.partthegolf course, I'm left with the feeling that
there mighta well be fencing as on Indian Island a round it. Ail of this land, city property, is off
limI all except the few who gait.In.valuating the benefits of retaining the ta—qua,
suggert that the committee consider the following points 1) Haw many goiters (not counting
multiple uses by a single individual) ure the course i' a year. Divide this number by the
population of PT, 2) Ho w.cologiaily friendly is gth course maintenance? 1 have heard that the
gait— user the am, amount of water annually asth. whale city. Isthis true? It m, haw an
such a high —g, be junifi.d?Could it be that i' an ea of climate change, gaitcor as
fly configured are no lo'g.rvia U,? 3) Haw an the land be ured mare effectively for the
health and wellbeing of residents? One passibility is a Swissvita par ,, specially designed
jogging paths—a—IaN, tar everyone, anytime and free of charge. In a typiai parcours, there
e up to 15 stations where you can do up W 43 exerts.. with the help of the simple equipment
stalled there.4) Two pressing needs forth. city are accessible open space and affordable
housing. Accessible open space means pari: land available to all at all time.. Affordable housing
thes affordable m line cook., servers, banrtas, and t'a d..peopie who are currently shut out of
housi'g "bet. Bath of these need. require cehtahy bated land from which jobs and
housing an be reached. The golf course and Mountain View common. provide a unique
opportunity to address these needs.
Thanksso much, but we already have a pretty full group. The kickoff me.flngi'ciud,d 19 of 20. W. had some
sta k.hoid.rs on the phone, i' person, or s,ttingi'the audience. Thanks a gain for youri't.r.n. I will let you know
if a nything changes.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P- Tb— ... d Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. I will pass your qu.rtio's along to our planning team. W. have an op.atio'ai
tbfor the Gait Course that's effective through December 2023 and we are i'the midst of planning for the
future, both for the Goif Course and Mountain View Commons. Wewiii add yourcom m.'ts to the planning
process tarconsideation. In the meantime, please visit this webpage tar other waysyou an rtay involved in the
n'. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and Mountain View Commons I City of Port Townsend
Washington (cityofptus). Thanks again tar tal mgth. t— m send your comments.
9/29/2022 Engage PF HIThere, Ian sobh, you had a frurtatingepene-'e. Our consultant uses Microsoft Teamsasa pIatf,rz and
suaily aummatiaily downloads and start right up. For Mose Mat have diffl'uity, or ca t'b -, Mere is
also a phone number rami into the meeting, and we are recording the meetings. The recordings will be available
taken aback when l attempted m attend the first"Stakeholder" m eeting and had to appeal b - the City's website afew days after the m eeting. We are also holding the m eeting, i. perm-. Ihbpe that, -e
b the Gty "front desk".Fortunately it was dun-gwbri:inghburs as l wa,helped, taikedthough bf these met hods wbri:s b,ttertoryb n ttime. I Ml pass aib-gyburi.teres tin GibbM Wan-ingasa criteria to
the'bmpii'ated process so l could attend. Here I mus[qu t, the wisdom of i.trbdu'i.gand use while planning for Meland. Thank you.
en hely new"connection" tar us that required a "Microsoft" prbgam dbwnibadl have never
e any[hingiik, this when com m --mg with the Gty br... -t any other e-tay,
eeaure attem pted to download the pmgrem, thetime it wastakingbecamealarmingsoI
umed rt off. Thatis when ailed the Ciry "desk". She stuck with me step by step until I heard
s and and aw, in the far lower right of t screen what was,a pparently, the man conducting the
,,ting. (Ey then well u -de -ray). I never was abbie m see any bf thertakehbiders -bride-tify
them or who was speakingand aw only circles with initials. wasvery cautibusabbut clicking on
the screen, but.
there were two people, ane, a woman as a ghbstiike image, and a man
who were amidrt bouldersorsame sort of ,,-dial scene. Was this a joke? I will never trym
tend another bf these meetings virtually., unless I an simply and easily listen o- my telephb-e.
Haw are citizens without computers atte-ding vmuai meetings? IS a recording bf the
Sratkehbiders meetingavailabie? The panted matenai o- the scree- was almost impossible to
read. Can easily access the list lirt re aftertt is'brrecredl yet strongly believe that Global
Waning should be emphasized when we talk about heaith1
9/29/2022 Engage PF Thank you so much fbryburinput fbrthis community discussion abbutthe Pbrtibw-send Galt Course and
Mountain View Cbmmb-s. I will passyburquestib-s alb-gtb ourpianningtam. Weha an bpeatib-ai
tbfbr the Gbit Cburse thatis effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst bf planning for the
future, both for the Gbit Cbu rre and M t—View Cbmmb-,. Wewiii add yburc_—Its tb Me planning
process tar cbnsideatibn. In the meantime, please visit this -bp- f,, other ways you an -y involved in the
n'. Envision Port Tbw-send Gbit Cburse and Mbu-tai. View Cbmmb-, I City bf Pbrt Tbw-send
Washi.gtb- ('itybfptus). Thanks again tar taking the time m send your'bmme-ts.
Please ave the PF golf'bursel
9/30/2022 Engage PF face bf burcbilapsi-g global e'bsyrtems. AS Yogi1e is reputed tb have aid. TheFuture�urt Thank you sb much for your input for this com nonny discussib-abbot the I` -T --seed Gbit Cburseand
whatrt ured tb be. Fortunately,perhaps, Resiliency isa very bigcbncept.. It wbuid haven Mau -talo View Cbmmb-s. will pass your comments along tb bur pianni.gtam. We have an operational
n'lude, ft, example, spinaai -.sill.-'y. Durspirts a re nourished by such things as a co -..crib- ' act for the Gbit Cburse Maris effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst bf planning for the
with the naw_i ward, the expene-'e bf be auty, creative expression,garde-mg,lami.g. Oh, future, both for the Gbit Cburse and Mbu-tai. View Cbmmb-,. We will add your com meats tb the planning
and Fun. And we a re going W need a ibt bfspintuai Length movi.gfbrward. Sb'iai. Jurtas processfbrcbnsideatibn. l nMemeantime,please visit thiswebpage fbrbther waysybuanrtay i.bl i.the
brgan2ed neighbbrhbbdsmaybethebiggert part bf emergenry preparedness,atightening bf n. Envision "ItTbwnse-d Gbit Cburse a rid Mbu-tai. View C-11 City bf Pbrt Tbwnse-d
the social netwbri:(t .ing'bn.ectibn. and makingnew bnes)wiii aiibw more efh'ie-t Washi.gtb-('itybfptus). Thanksagain for taking the time m send yourcomments.
emiutibn bf problems asthey a rm. It also helps our se -m bf cbnnectibn and expene-'e of
afety. It supports the spirt. And going fb-rard, it may be i.'reasi-giy important W be able W
cialize outside. Heaith. The healthier aur bodies, the betterable we will be tb cape. Walking
sails are a huge health benefit, particularly for us bid people. Ali recreational activities will help
well. Oxygen is goad. Food (think toad tares[) is goad. Nutsand Baits And then, of course,
there isthe mfrzstructurzi piece. Energy. W e armor depend b- an abundant supply of energy
mingi.tb aur community from paints outside. W e need m be able t. 9-1-1 same portio- bf
what we use naw, and be able w use that energy when the grid is dawn. That means micrbgndls)
coupled with lots bf 'bias panels and perhaps a wind machine brtwb. That may be mare of a
prbgrzm than a'ritena, but itis pretty much implicit i. the'ntena I am --mg.
Tanspbrtatib-. Walking tails, biking tails & Rery'lery, EV chargers ""I'.g Repair, Reuse. We
will need tb figure but haw tb reuse mare and dispbm of
less. This is Pbrt Town send. W e an
e up with ideas outside the existing p—,19- There may be bppbrtu-hies wret aside space
for such prbj el, It seems w m e that thisapprba'h'bvers m ost ail of what the rtakehbider
eeting ane up with for 'arena, yet itis really only the ane ',,tenon (with constai.ts for db
-
ability). It may be easier, going tbnrard, tb Mink m these terms. Then alternative
p1oje /prbgam suggestib-sa-be di,--lycompared i. terms of theirim pact b- community
Resilie-, ps Re. Gbit. It it an- done without much additional financing, I think it wbuid be
tb have at learta paRice putting green and/bra hale br two IS&9Z). It -11 a nod wthe
hirmry ofthe place, and wbuid aiibw goiters mite paRi'e and others tb lean how m play. But it
2 — Engage PT Thank you so much for yourinput for this community di'cussion about the P-Tbwn'end Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. I will pass your --t, along to our pianningtea m. We have an opeationai
act for the Gait Course that is effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst bf planning for the
71 future, both for the Gbit Cburse and Mountain View Commons. We will add your --t, to the planning
prbcen tar c—d—t— In the meantime, please visit this webpage tar other -y, y- — -y involved in the
n'. Envision Port Town'end Gbit Cburse and Mountain View Cbmmbns I City bf Pbrt Tbwn'end
Washington (citybfptu'J. Thanks again forthe time m send your comments.
Please keep the golf courre an open green space
9/30/2022
Thanks for yburintere.t in this project. Tb address your other quertions. C -id this property be Thanks for yburintere.tin this project. Tb address your other quertions. Cbuid this property be our'Centai
ur'Centai Park Park oyb- being
Are the c
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the coyotesb ng c -,d ereda 5 k h id y considered as Stakeholders Would b p nbiem nv
s. Would It be pass bie -te Arciitectureand Urban Piann ngand Urban Piann ng Ar ,—tureand Urban Piannngand Urban PI—In Schbolas charette part cpant'?
S'.01as charette partcpants ..
10/3/2022 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community di'cumon abbot the Portibwn'end Gbit Cburse and
Mountain View Cbmmbns. Iwiii passyour quertions alongtb our pianningtea m. We have an opeationai
nvey how special the undeveloped pame area is bn the golf course. Very little of the c actforthe Goif Cburse thatis effective through December 2023 andwe are in the midst bf pianningto, the
J3 listbricai p-- nisi exist in the Pacific—th—.l thinkrtw0Od be an improvement and future, both for the Gbit Cburse and Mountain View Cbmmbns. We will add your com m ents tb the planning
honor thehistbriczi native ore of the space by expanding the p-- through seed collection and prbcen for co—d—t,o, In the meantime, plea se visit this webpage for other waysyou a n -y involved in the
trn'piantIng from the exisdngs,t, m maintain the genetic uniqueness that i'this site.n. Envision Pbrt Townsend Gbit Cb—, a nd Mountain View Cbmm ons l City bf Pbrt Tbwnsend
Washington (citybfptu'J. Thanks again for to king the time m send your comments.
10/3/2022 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community di'cumon abbot the Portibwn'end Gbit Cburse and
Mountain View Cbmmbns. I will pass your quertion' along W our planning team. We have an opeationai
actfor the Gbit Cburse thati' effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst bf planning for the
J4 future, both for the Gbit Cbu— and M ountain View Cbmmbns. Wewiii add your com merits tb the planning
We, my husband Norman Pascheand myself, believethat the public's b-interert is w tum the prbcento, consideation. In the meantime, please visit thiswebpage forbther waysyou an -yinvolved in the
goifcourre into an arburetum,foilowing the exam pie of the pari: in M o'cow, I D., which i'so n. Envision Pbrt Townsend Gbit Cburse a nd Mountain View Cbmmbns) City bf Pbrt Tbwn'end
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it's the first thing pebpie talk abbot when they tai k a bout M --It isa place of peace --g—hcitybfptu'J. Thanks again for to kmg the time m send your comments.
and t—ghday and lows and rerves poepie tram ail around.
10/3/2022
very happyW see that there isa discussion abbot an alternative use for the PT golf 1- Thank you so much for yourinput for this community di'cumon about the Portibwn'end Gbit Cb—,and
and Mountain View Cb--area.I have two'chbola gad children attending PT ,ho oi'and Mountain View c—" Iwiii passyour quertion' along W ourpianningtea m. We have an opeationai
75 would lovem seeim prbvement' that included a muit,— park area, affordable housing, arida c act for the Gbit Cb—, thati'effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst bf planning for the
pool that is swim team app,bp-, but also has spaces for young kids and the retired future, both for the Gbit Cburre and M -ht— View C— ons. We will add your comm ant' wthe planning
communiry.ltis painful W ree such a huge are of PT being utilized by so few pebpie to,—ha protan torco—d—t,o, In the meantime, plea se visit this webpage for other ways you an -y involved in the
b ctivity, especially when another golf coursei'ib-'d only a few miles away. Thank you c n. Envision Pbrt Townsend Gbit Cburse a rid Mountain View Cbmmbns l City bf Pbrt Tbwnsend
for opening this discussion tb the puUi,l Washington (cI1ybfptus), Thanks again for -mg the time m send your comments.
10/3/2022 Thank you'o much foryourinput forth,, community discussion abbot the Portibwn'end Gbit Cburse and
Mountain View Cbmmbns. will pass your quertion' along W our planningWe have an opeationai
acttbr the Gbit Cburse that i' effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst bf planning for the
76 future, both for the Gbit Cburse and Mountain View Cbmmbns. We will add your com memstb the planning
protan tar consideation. In the meantime, please visit this webpage for other -y, y- — -y involved in the
n'. Envision Pbrt Townsend Gbit Cburse and Mountain View Cbmmbns I City bf Pbrt Tbwn'end
tthegolf course once or twicea week and noticed more younger pebpie partcipahng,n Wa'hingtbn hcitybfptu'J. Thanks again forty king the time m send your comments.
the'port. It's got W be a goad thing.
10/4/2022
We wereail surprised m thenakehbiders —ting tb hear that the—yciery did not have water Thanks for your email. Then yd', hasare—te agreement with the'chboi dismc[. As such, they .-Id be
77 ,electricity. l called the shop a rid was tbid'we db have electricity but it i' not good a rid we db responsible for any upgrade' for their facility. It"'"ysimilar tb ouriease, where we are responsible for
of havewater.'Iti'good that the city will be finishing updating Mt. View and ail of the new upgrades m MV commbnsa nd the pool.Thanks.
things they put there and the—ydwill have water a nd goad electricity.
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10/7/2022 onavery regular basis and an offer keen insight into the culture a ria phy"ai nate of the
m aisoa rained architect with a background in iandsapearchitectureand urban
piano ngaln addition to providing Important habitat space, the golf course provides an open
space that is cnticai m urban areas. Asan avid golfer I ree the many --,
any loci residentsand aim
vis ors that utd—dthe golfc-- Although it appears that it is under used from a n outsiders
perspective, an attert that the golf course isvery well utilized as a recreational space and a
p—,ce center. Id be utilized even mare. Looking
'peciHaily at the courm; the greensa ria tee boxes are the martin need of repairand
mai taim makes senre for pubilc safety m have nettinginrtailed ail ail parts of the
be ise mat run M -g side roads. Nem,gir a common feature for urban golf courses -that could
nrtailed to allow wiidhf, access to be maintained. The course plays much like a links course
ut,livng minimal waterin the dry months -and using the irrigation to maintain the quality of the
ee boxes and greens. I think upgrades W the Parti"' facility will attic[ mare golfers a ria an
82 addition ata putt putt area could attar[ mare families -getting children involved in the sport m
an earlier age similar to the soccer dna little league that occursin PT, The club house boasts an
am azingv,ew and upgrades to the building could ree a world class —t --and bar. Itis a
I,— place m gab a dank or eat in addition W playing golf -however the facility isnot up W date
and thea dvertirements forth' current rertauant and ba"d"e not wide spread. Mart loci
',idents don't even know there is a bars/rertauant at the courm. In summary, I believe that the
golf course isa very important feature tar our town. There isa very active community built
and the sport and it is as im portant to maintain the space to support that community jurt as
the slate pari:, basketball courts, soccer Heid'are important t, maintain. The course provide
viable habitat, important open space, and with improvements it could provide mare pa Rice
space for future generations of golfers. It could aim provide a beautiful place for food and dank
n a peaceful and open green space etting. I would advise the city to address the key issue with
the course in regardsW netting dna pubilc safety, and W focus resources or repairs that will
ultimately make the —t impact to the quality of the course and the experience that is created.
10/8/2022 =1wa'look,ng at h, --photos pf Portiown'endl was _p
ed to ree how few pees
n the golf course lana. It looks like it does naw because golfers have been planting trees
dna taking are of the course tar 118 years since it wa s founded in 1904. Please let them
83 ue for another 118 years. No ane will take as much care as the golfers. These phomsare
t the be, but you get the idea. Caption on ane 11 Jefferson County Hirtonai Society and the
other caption "when course was given to the city. ( unable to part ph—,)
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiown'end Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. I will pass your quert,ons along to our planning team. We have an opeat,onai
act for the Goif Course that is effective through December 2023 and we are in the mice[ of planning for the
future, both for the Goif Cou— and M ountain View Comm ons. We will add your comm ent'to the planning
process tar c—d—t— In the meantime, please visit this webpage tar other ways you can rtay involved in the
n'. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and Mountain View Commons City of Port Townsend
Washington (cityofptu'). Thanks again for to king the time m send your comments.
Thanks for your email. Unfortunately, the photos didn't load, but I have entered your cam merits in our cam merit
log for review during the planning process.
10/10/2022 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiown'end Goif Course and
Mountain View Common" I will pass your quert,ons along to our planning team. We have an opeat,onai
tbfor the Goif Course that,, effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the
84 future, both for the Goif Course and Mountain View Commons. Wewiii add your cam m ents to the planning
process tar consideation. In themeantime, please visit this webpage tar other way'you an -y involved in the
PI—'keep the goifcourm in Its current state. As l understand things, this property must be n. Envision Port Townsend Goif Courseana Mountain View Commons l City of Portiownsend
u'edfor recreation forourcommunity. Goifana an open sp—f,,th,b—ft ofaii of our Washingtonh"tyofptu').Thanksagain Porta k,ngthe timem'endyourcomment'.
community isa wonderful thing.
10/12/2022
ouid love to ree the dog pari: Torsed mdin size. And a ad enrichment acmrties-like Thank you so much foryourinput forth,, cam moony discussion aboutthe Portiown'end Goif Course and
ms/plant, the dogs sniff, etc. A previous dog pari: our dogs loved had one comer devoted m Mountain View Commons. I will pass your questions along to our pianningtea m. We have a n opeat,onai
es&shrubs with doggie tails so they could sniff&run through. The current dog pari: is really --t for the Goif Course thatis effective through December 2023 dna we are in the midst of planningfor the
85 only —Ufor dogs that love to fetch -which leaves my dogs out And add benches and/or tables future, both for the Goif Course and Mountain View Commons. We will add— cam merits to the planning
forpeopleW s,t at Maybe the current dog pari: could be maaeintoa playground dna lager dog processforc—deah—In the meantime, please vi"tth„ webpage for other ways you an stay involvedin the
pari: could be created in the golf course area.Th, dogp- doesn't have m be square, it could n. Envision Port T, --d Goif Course dna Mountain View Commons l Qty of Po T-1e1d
run the length of the current golf course property(maybe 20 ft wide) giving dogs a long to run for Wa'hington(cityofptu'). Thanks again for taking the time m send your comments.
e & play.
10/12/2022 I have golfed at PT. Goif Course since l retired in 2010. 1 am 75 and stili very active and healthy Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiown'end Goif Course and
ortiy due to golf and Its outdoor exerts', fresh air,ana friendships. l've heard cam m' tits that Mountain View Commons. I will pass your cam merits along W our planning team. We have a n opeati_
the golf course is exciusiveoniy for golfers. What about theswim poor Isn't it only for those that co act for the Goif Course thm effective through December 2023 dna we are in the m, a rt of planning for the
86 Tike to swim�Whatabout thereon,, a ria pickiebaii courts. Aren't they only for those who like to future, both for the Goif Courm dna M —t—View Comm ons. We will a ad your comm ent'to the planning
play thomgame'' What about the dogpa,,— only forthose with dogs? The skateboard pari:... process forcons,deat,on. In the meantime, please vi"tth„ -bp for other ways you an stay involved in the
only forthore who like m skateboard)A—he PT course already has compatible uses with Its n. Envision Port T, --d Goif Course dna Mountain View Commons l Qty of Portiownsend
wonderful rertauant open W everyone. It has the Kah Tai Paine, the Chetzemoka tail and Chief Wa'hington(cityofptu'). Thanks again for to king the time m send your comments.
10/12/2022
When I was looking at hist,,,' photos pf P - Tb— ,end I was surprired W ree haw few trees
nthe golf course land. It looks like rt does naw because goiters have been planting trees
and taking are of the'Curre tar 118"
18 years since it was founded in 1904. Piease let Mem
ue for another 118 years. No ane will take as much care as the golfers. These photo, are
Ct the best but you get the idea. 3 --the photo links did not came through Ian weeks ask
87 that you type in Mese links without spaces and see if that works Maybe it won't look like a link Nanry. The photo,,hdidn't come through. Thank you for trying again.
to the software.http, //photos.app.g00.gi/v6rC V t TIT s al p 71 t9 h t t p,'.//
p h 0 t0 s. a p p.go0. g i/Sx Fzii x�eysl r P it 9 Caption Cn onei,'. Jefferson County
th-11—i Society and the Cher aph- i, when course was given t0 the city. Opening Cf the Part
TCwn,end G,if Ciub 1927 Lunk.O 2-,Wetch, -- Bangerterwho was the mayor,
4.unk—, 5.F. W. Stevens, 1—k—, 7, M,ni, Starrett, 8. Schuyler Edwards, 9-- Het,,I,
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When 1 was locking at hist,,,' phot , pf P - Tb— ,end I was,urprired W ree haw few trees
I, the golf course land. It locks like it does naw because golfers have been planting t
aincrees
and taking re Cf the c0urre tar 118 years se it was founded in 1904. Piease let them
88
,hh-, for another 118 years. NC one will take as m uch care as the golfers. This format does
ccept links s0 t, see the phot , and enjoy locking at Other hist,,,' PF ph—, go t,
https /Online search, Put the ward golf in search bC F
line cou
""" phot,, Fifth line third phot, Capt— Cn ane i, Jefferson County Hi- ai Satiety
a
and the Other pti_ i, en whrse was given m the city. Opening Cf the Pol T_,,end G,if
Club 1927. Lunk-O 2Ge,rge,Welch,316,0. Bangerterwho was the mayor, 4—k—,
W. Stevens, 5—k—, 7.MCni, Starrett, 8. Schuyler Edwards, 9--Het,,I, 10.unk-
10/13/2022
Why not tum the golf course int, pubilc h0using? CCnsvderingthe fact that it's across the meet
from the f -d bank, Recovery Cate, the R, Cy'lery (which i, kind enough t, Offer free day, 0f
bike repair assistance), h: FCCd C,-Cp(a great marc, 0f em ployment), and bus rt,p,. e--hy
even amenity aimed at heipingth0se in need isatthat bafl0n dna men's mare than enough
space for both housing and Open spaces like pari:, for ail'Cmmunity members W enj,y.
10/13/2022
Any new p.j— for the G,if CCurse should include nights— lighflng. With winters shorter
days upon us again I will nils need t, walk my d0gsas well as getting exerts, tar myself, a
m,biMy challenged senior. AI,O, I would like t, see a newer mare d0gara, added in the G,if
CCurse project. Even with the Chet —ka dog pari: and the M,untain View dog pari:, I find that
90 a ,,Mere are m,mam,ge Nn area,ma",mm,aatean,f P,rtT,wl,ela'ifl�en,
well as"'it,rs in a ate maanner.,m MMare smaller areas would be betterW augment the present
big areas. As a m,bilay challenge diabie person with a WA issued aid I find it very difficultW
rthe larger MCuntam View area W pick up after my dogs. know there is an areatar
mmaii dogs and senior dogs but my dogs don't qualify as either. In ,,rent,, Mere should be
multiple areas that bath a"Cmm,date tar people with diabihhe, and tar senior citizens. Smaller
as limited t, a few dogs would be easier and afer for their dogs and make the experience Cf
ha" hg Outing with their pet dog, companion dog, Cr service dog mare enjoyable.
10/14/2022 email
Thank you s0 much f,, y,urinput f,, thi, community discussion ab—the P-Tb—,end G,if CCurse and
MCuntdin View C --I will pass your question, along t0 our planning team. We have an Cpeat—al
act for the G,if CCurse thati, effective through Decem ber 2023 and we are in the midst Cf planning for the
future, both forth, G,if CCu rre and M Cuntain View CCmm Ons. We will add your coni m ent, t0 the planning
process tar c-„d,,at,-. In the meantim e, plea se visit this webpage tar Other ways you an tay involved in the
n'. Envision Port TCwn,end G,if CCurse and M,untain View C.mons I City Cf Port TCwn,end
Wa,hingt,n ('ity,fptu,). Thanks again for to king the flme m send your comments.
Thank you s0 much for y,urinput for this community discussion about the P - Tb— ,end G,if Cb—, and
MCunt—View CCmm,n,. I wili pass your querti0n, ai,ng t, our planning team. We have an Cpeat—al
act for the G,if Cb—, thati, effective through Decem b”2023 and we are in the midst Cf planning for the
future, both fO,th,G,if CCu rre and M Cuntain View CCmm, n,. We will add your coni m ent, t, the planning
process tar c-,,d,,at,-. In the meantim e, plea se visit this webpage tar Other way,y-an tay involved in the
n'. Envision Port TCwn,end G,if CCurse and M,untain View Cam— I City Cf Port TCwn,end
Wa,hingt,n ('ity,fptu,J. Thanks again for takilgthe t— m send your comments.
The 10/12/22 PF teaderind,at,d that the next G,if CCurse Stakeholders Meetingi,,etf0,
Tuesday G-ber 18, Yet your web site Cniy —h—,an 11/15 meeting and n0 mare G -b,,
m flogs. Which, the correct ihf—ah-1 Are the meetings Open t, the pubilc and al
embers Of the pubilc address the committee at some point in the m eeflngs? For many sea mos, The lea—tmi, i, indeed t,m rand i, listed Cn our website.Th, m,,ting, are Open m the pubilc, and the
I have been able m pal pat, in the early stages Cfthi, project but would very much like t, be pubilc will be able t, comment On the whol, project during the open houses that will be planned coming up. In
-nv,ived goingforwaid. One qu.,-1 have i, whether there has been any discussion Cf the addition, we d0 havea launch On Oc[,ber25`", Onsite at the G,if CCurseand M,untain View am
91 possibility Cf dediating a small corner Cf the goif'Curse property for erecflng affordable p,bjeR pus,200-
h0u,ing.limagine thi,i,pr0babiy Cut Of your area Cf experfl,e, but Mat should not stop the idea 4' OO where you an come and talk directly with the p,bjel team. lam gingW note your housing comment Cn our
from b,"ngc0nsidered.Aft,,ah,l'm prettymre the idea a me up before, when iepurpOsilgthe input log and will make note 0fyouridea,.. There ideas have come up before, and we will have m see h0wthey
c0u s Hrst discussed. Given that both Me City and the County declared affordable housing pan Out in the process. Thanks s0 m uch fo,yourinterertl
a a primary—, wamary issue and iecog—ingthat the course i, a large piece of property Mat can
a —date —II uses, this should be a`no bainer' discussion t,pi'. Thank you for your
10/15/2022 Engage PF Thank you so much toryourinput torthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Galt Course and
would love to ree the Goif Course green space prererved. It ana—t for the com inanity in so Mountain View Commons. I will pass your quertions along to our pianningtea m. We have an opeationai
many ways. It of however,serving the majomy of people who payfor Rs uirkeep. l walked act for the Goif Course thatis effective through December 2023 and we are in the raids[ of planning for the
92 the golf course twice, once during CGVI D and is rt winter when it snowed. It iso beautffui walk. It future, both for the Goif Course and Mountain View Commons. We will add your com merits W the planning
makes me -y happy to see crop—htry skiers on it or the crop country runners from the high procen forconsideation. In the meantime, plea se visit thiswebpage for other ways you a n rtay involved in the
school. lets have the Rhody Run on the golf course) leY s have the Turkey Trot on the golf n. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend
rsel People support the area'sthby know; so few people know our golf_"
That is our Washington hcityofptus). Thanks again for taking the t— m send your comments.
fault.
10/16/2022 Thank you so much for your -spat for tKs com musty d-sc-- aboutthe Portiownsend Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. I will pass your quertions along W our planning team. We have an opeationai
old love to ree the golf course property remain a green space. With 2 flash golfcourres act for the Goif Course thatis effective through December2023 and we are in the raids[ of planning for the
nearby, what f we kept the driving ange and converted the remaining space into family oriented future, bath for the Gait Course and Mountain View Commons. W, will add your comments to the planning
ii c[ ,ty opportunities?Ie. out door games like Horswshoe tan, Bocci, Giant Chess, Minigolf/putt-procen tarconsideation. In the meantime, plea se visit this webpage tar other waysyou a n rtay involved in the
putt,Croquet"mess Grcuit inno�alive playground,-phitheater, walking garden paths& n'. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend
93 Paine expansion and bike/haver-boards/+paths Cort'—amg the pari: on alternative wheels. Washington hcityofptus).Thanks again for to kingthe nmem sendyb comments.
Basically aur awn Centai Pari:. Game accenories could be rented or borrowed with a refundable
deposit or minimal/multi level memberships. Our youth and young adults have so little to do with
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finds in this town besides"party". I respect aur loci goiters wantingW keep It exclusively as a
golftour..(hence keep the driving ange and club house) but rt excludes a lot of people when we
have excellent golf courses close by. Asa "Cental Pari:" the quality of lite here goes up a notch)
Jurt my fantasy but I never go there the way itis. I would if it telt mare welcoming and it would
balance Mountain View and Kai Tai in a very complimentary way. Thank you.
10/17/2022 Thank you so much toryourinput torthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Gait Course and
DearCity Council Members. Pleasekeeptheintown Goif and bt.Forthe part,, ye ars) Mountain View Commons. I wiii Ion tannin We have ano I
personally have cM--ked to theRhododendron Fertivai and otherfund aisers by donatingm passyour quertionsa gtoourp gteam. p1,nnnna
theJim Cal dwell Memorial Goif T—n— est as well as other golf tournaments.Though) contactforthe Goif Coursethatiseffectivethrough December 2023and kare in the midr[otpianning ng
appreciate thatthe future of the golf course is on the website torthe Gty of Portiownsend,l future both torthe Goif Cour.. and Mountain View Commons. We will add yourcomments to the planning
believe it would be a gond—betingid,a W have at leas[ a link on the Gfflciai Tourism Site for Procen forcons,d,at,-. In the meantime plea se visit this webpage for other ways you an rtay involved in the
94 conversation'. Envision
Portiownredaimnd, WA It wouibe helpful rfthehoteis,airbnbs, andthe Chamberinciudethe Port Townsend Goif Course and Mountain View Commons I City of Port Townsend
Washington hcityofptus). Thanks again for taking the time W send your comments.
golf tour.. in their brochures (maybe same of them already have, I didn't ree references w the
lf
goon the occasions I rtayed in PF). It seems to be a big daw torthe other hotels I've
booked online From California W New Jer..y, a main amenity is a onsite or nearby golf course.
Thank you in adance. Pi—, keep the golf tour...
10/17/2022 Thank you so much toryourinput torthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Gait Course and
onl
The y reasonable use for the golf course is housing. Itis an excellent location for some real Mountain View Commons. I will pass your quertions along W our planning team. We have an opeationai
density, and is close to services at the Mountain View campus and transit lines Even if dense tbfor the Golf Course that is effective through December2023and w,arein the midr[of planning for the
housing pro�ectsaren't immediately feasible the council should under no claumrtancestum the future both torthe Goif Cour.. and Mountain View Commons. We will add your comments to the planning
95 golf course into a park. Parks are great. We have lots of them, and don't need m ore. We procen forcons,deation. In the meantime please visit thiswebpage forother waysyou an rtay involved in the
despeately need housing. Th, goifcourre could easilyaccommodatedozens�ormorel)small n. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend
apartmnt ebuildings and quadpiexes, which would make a real dent in our housing shortage.The Washington hcityofptus). Thanks again for taking the time w send your comments.
landsaping around such housing would make tar much better natuai habitat than the golf
course currently is, m this concerns should be dismined as the NIM BYism they are.
10/18/2022
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Pbrt T,---dMunicipal Gbit Courre to provide a wider —91 of serv,ceswhIll ensuringou a Thank yso —h f,, yourinput for this com mushy discussion aboutthePb --..rid Gbit Course and
functibnal3 hole golf and open spare remain.Id,,ntifl'atibn of compatible uses .-Idprovide Mountain View Commons. will pass your qu,,rtibn, along tb bur planning team. W,, have an bpeatibnai
noppbrtuniti,,,tbaw,d,,,ang,bf the cbmmun,ty, whsle protectingthe open space and'b actforth,, Gbif Coors,,hat ,effective through December 2023 and we ars In the midst of planning for the
,,'biogial services that airady benefit everyone. Maintaining Mese pubil",,ry„,,, will become future, both for the Gbif Courre and Mountain View Cbmmbns. W,, will add your --t, tb the planning
and mo,, ,taut as Port Town„nd'bnh— Wbecome d,,nrer and moa urba—,,l at process for can -at— In the meantime, plea se visit this webpage far other ways you an tay invol—In the
bolidour.Af---pi,,,of—patibi,,—II uses that -ght—I, In P-Town„nd,n'lud,,,c n. Fnv„ibn Parc TOwn„rid Gbif Coors,,and Mountain View Cbmmbns l City of P-Town„rid
frisbee br footballgolf(loaf businesses could donate golf basket, In return for discrete ad Washington(c,tyofpt—). Thanks again fortakingthe t— tb send your comment,
ons); kite flying estival,; geba'hing, archery; Him evenings; concerts; c—,Kbuntry skiing;
andNordic walkingclubs.Oth,,r,d,,a, t, integrate the broader com—ty,n'lud,,. loci„hobs
golf classes, tb—aments a rid after "h_'progams;'bilege classes or,ntemships on 1 -nage
and turf management; caddie twining prbga— far students (see Caddie Progam
(cam bngroundgc.com); and Pubil'Part:Days(„„St. Andrews article below) W name junta
few. Many other municipalises and regions have revived their ailing golf couThe Nordic
Council of Gbvemment, (Sweden, Denman:, Norway, Finland and Iceland) ,d,,nsfrses. i,,d over 45
pubh'services tb In'brpbat: iota their golf courses, ail while maintaining high quality golf and
pubilc afly. In the US, the lis[ of g.... est, that have revived their aging golf'burs,,„n'lud,,.
Chari— Municipal Gbif Course (NC), Belmont Gbif Course (Henri', County VA), WinPan: 9,
(Wl n -Pan:, Fl), Sharp Pan:, (San Fanciscb, CA); Coria Pan: Gbif Course (Torrey Pine, CM,
Papago Gbif Club Phoenix, A2); Co—Ground (Denver, CO), Cobb, Creek Gbif Courre
(Philadelphia, PA), Bobby Jones Gbif Course (Atlanta, GA), Cana Pan: (Alameda, CM, GI—ay
Gbif Pan: (Madison, WI), Brawn County Gbif Course (Hobart, WI), Arrowhead Gbif Course (Davie,
Fl), and . Many of these provid, --pi,,, of pubilcpmate partnership, to support a thriving
goif'burs,, for years W came. Far more,nf—atibn, please s,,,,. Sandinav,an Turfgass and
Fnv"_ental Research Foundation. February 15, 2011. Muitifun'sonai Gbif Course,, An
Und,,rusiiz,,d Resource. Nbhb' Cbuncii of Ministers. muitifunc[ibnai p f—rses -
und,,r M—d+esbuae (,-f—g), Derek Dusan. `The revival of there goif'burses,s an
inspiat— tar public golf'. GbitDigert, September 16, 2021, Derek Dusan. ` 11 municipal golf
HI, I'm the lead prinsng press opeatbr with printery tar 18 years. If I an help with donating-, Thank, sb much tar aur offer of help with printing needs. I will keep your'bntact and let you know If we need
and--,ai,fbr this cure pisare cbntac[me. Thanks for your can-,asbn anything. We really appreciate itl
b uidlove tb res the g.If'burs,, retained a, green space/pan:, fully fenced with trail,
wand,,ringthrough, especially a tail ail around the outside. The fence, wbuid be hurt W block
dogs running but, but wbuid let w,Idirf,, pass freely, sb about 31 ft high. It wbuid be a —1,,`098 place tb get a long walk,, without dodging cars/bike,. W bold love tb see an expansion of the
virgin pat',,,,” plot, and a longer ange pian tb let Mo„ plants repopulate the space freely. Nb
mar ring, and keeping m bw, Wa min,mum,l„tnatuatak,,thepia"ba'k.Alonger-
ange pian tb plant b—”, and native f—tmg trees. A ,attenng of benches, pi'ni'tabi,,,, maybe
a Shelter. In my dream wand t=b also be an bf I,, -dog pan:.
Thank you sb —h for yourinput for this com mushy di„ussibn aboutthe Pb --..rid Gbif Course and
Mountain View Comm oris. I -H pa „your qu,,rtibn, along tb our planning team. W,, have an bpeatibnai
act forth,, Gbif Course that ,effective through December 2023 and we are,, the midst of planning for the
future, both for the Gbif Courre and Mountain View Cbmmbns. W,, will add your'bm merit, tb the planning
process tar can,,d,,at,-. In the meantime,pleasevisit this webpage tar other way, you an tay involved,, the
n'. Fnv„ ion Pbrt Tbwn„rid Gbif Course and Mountain View Cbmmbns I City of Pbrt Town„rid
Washington ("tyofpt—). Thank, again far taking the t— tb send your—,ht,.
10/19/2022
Thank you sb —h for yourinput for this com mushy di„ussibn aboutthe Pb --..rid Gbif Course and
Mountain View C--I-H pass your quertibns along tb our planning team. W,, have an bpeatibnai
act for the Gbif Course that is effective through D,,—IS,,, 2023 and we are,, the midst of planning for the
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future, both for the Gbif Cou rre and M bunt—View Cbmm ons. W,, will add you — t est, tb the planning
process tarcan„d,,at,-. In the meantim e,pleasevisit this webpage tar other way, you a n tay involved,, the
Very,ht,,,,.,d,n the golf cburre being a more,n'lu,iv,, spa” Il May space for kid—,,toad
n. Envision P-Taws„rid Gbif Course a rid Mountain View Cbmm ons l City of P-Town,end
f, t, affbrdabi,,hbu„ng?lfs sb much land and the way It„ currently used,s sb narrow both,,
Wa,hingtbn("tyofpt—). Thank, again for to king the t— tb rid your—,ht,.
reach of people a, well a, h— It an be used
10/20/2022
Thank you sb m uch for yourinput for this com mushy d ---abbot the Pb --..rid Gbif Course and
Mountain View Cbmmbns. I -H pass your quertibns along W our planning team. W,, have an bpeatibnai
Seveai years ago the city had a survey asking citizens tb prioritize th,,ir,nterest,, vanou,
'tfbr the Gbif C—,,,Mat,effective through December 2023and wear,,,, the midstof planning for the
proj,,—Results showed the golf course held the l,,ast,hterest for thore surveyed. W hat
future, both for the Gbif Courre and M bunt—View Cbmmbns. We will add your'_ m ents tb Me planning
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happened tb that study?The golfcburre,usually—pty of golfers. Disco very Bay' burse should
In them-h—,pleas.„it thi,w,,bpag,far other way, you an tay ,nvoiv,,d,n the
be sufflcientfbr a town this size. I,usp,,R,bmei.fhh-tai pebpie are golfers and w,ii nbtaiibw
z—,,,,fbr'bnsideatibn.
n. Env,sibn P-T,.„rid Gbif Cours,,and Mountain View Cbmmbns l C,ty of Pb --..rid
this,ssuem die but, Dur pbbi,s outdated and a m,,, pit. UH..ry„,,I—Id be my
Wa,hingtbn("tyofpt—). Thank, ag—far taking the t—tb rid your --ht,.
preference.. The golf cburre land„valuable and will tab, —, —00 piann,ng g—gfbrward.
10/20/2022
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiown... d Gait Course and
ms kids are d„peat, f,, ,thing to do. One comment mid you have taken away
Mountain View Commons. I will pass your qu.rtion, along to our piannini, W. have an opeationai
eve&'hgfun. There ail sound like fun and fortunately they would a ii be great on the Mt.View
act for the Goif Course than , effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for th,
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ampul bemuse they would ruin the go if course. We are lucky to have both. Gb Wan open
future, both for the Goif Course and Mountain View Commons. W. will add your --t, to the planning
houseat Mt. View or walk around the property and res the possibilities. Seems like the fair
processforconsideation. In the meantime, plea se visit this webpage for other ways you m n rtay involved in the
groundswouid be good forlorn, of these and provide yea r around revenue.Hors,—toss,
n. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course a rid Mountain View Commons) City of Portiown,..d
Bocci, Giant Chess,Mini-golf/puttputt,Croquet, Ftneee Grcuit, innovative playground,
Washington hcityofpt—).Thank, again for taking the t— to send your comments.
Amphitheater, bike/h over[] boards/+paths for nanslo ng the park on alternative wheels.
10/20/2022
Thank, you for your continued comment,. I will make sure they are noted. Thank,.
Goifcourre is nota pari: It iso business. Imagine city goingW part raying boat haven would make
a great pari: with beach, tail,, add picnic tables, play area, public bathroom,. Thou
ey .-Id my no.
The golf courre was put into pk,b -,gory to be r.purposed to allow multiple recreation ores
while ,nil having golf on certain days. Unfortunately that doe, not wori:. A basin.„ha, to pay
re and the course i, an areil.ry ange with golf bail, ging1kh mphmno golf ran be played on
rep� rposing day„o no revenue i,collected. Perhapsa daily tee per person. If golf course —ot
pay rent the city ran ore th,ir,urpiu,ing option meaningth,y don't want it and sell it. Can you
se on,l Now you have open space. Golfers who a re there every day keep the space open
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by k.epin'g rent paid. There are 27 pari:,, 31 mile, of tail,, Fart Word,, and Fiagi.r. Um Mt.
View or the city's unu,.d'consideabie amount of prop.rn.s.' Please let this business continue. I
hope citizen, would not d,rnoy —,thing the size and beauty of golf courre. W hen Olympic
with an earthquake you will be ramping there. Piu, the course t, ht, give money m
the community b111fii Rhody F.rnvai, Kiwanis, Elk, Club, High Schaal Rivals Athletic
prog _'Jefferson County ISttie League, & Sarins. Rotary Club, etc. 1—ptg01tcom and
cityofptu, far golf link. Besides losing revenuewhen people came dogs, kids and frisbees will
land on the greens and greens will suffer Frisbee target, need W be put up and taken dawn
when Hni,h.d bemuse it would be hazardous when golf balls hit and ricochet Piu, people who
have heard they can walk on course may came in from side meet, when golfers a re playing and
could get hit by a ball That would be very and
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10/21/2022Thank
yo —h to, yourptto, this com -y di,cumon bout the Portio n ... d Golf Course and
My husband and lrenred and m wed W Port Townsend in Sep 2021. My husband ha, golfed for
MountainVew Commons. Iwiii pa„your qu.rtion, along W our planning tea- Weha-anopeationai
years and one of my goals in retirement was to team W play golf so l could join him. W. were
actfor the Goif Course than, effective through December 2023and w.ar.in the midstbf planning for the
thrilled to leam that Portiow....d had a golf course very conve—fy lomted in town.Better
future, both forth, Goif Course and Mountain View Commons.W. will addyour com m ents to the planning
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yl,=th,fri.ndiy atmosphere created by Gabri.iTonan and th,.mpioy.e,and volunteers at
proc.s,forcon,id.at—. In the mantime,pim,. visit this webpage for other way, you an tay involved in the
th,cour— I took lessons and we ha-,joy,d playing golf at the Pi course since MarchThe
n.—,ion Port To— ... d Goif Course and Mountain View Commons l City of Portiow..end
lomfloni,ai,oconv.nient when w.invtte friend, for an afternoon of golf and a delicious meal at
Washington hcityofpt ).Thank, again for taking the flme m ... d your comments.
e of the rertauants in town. was'addendWlearn this golf course, with rt, long history in
Port Towmmhd, might be destroyed and converted W another ore.
10/22/2022
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Porciow.... d Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. Iwili pa„your qu.rtion, along W our planning tea- W. have an opeationai
actfor the Goif Course than, effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the
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future, both for the Goif Course and Mountain View Commons. Wewiii add your com merits to the planning
process tar consideation. In the meantime, please visit this webpage tar other way,you ran rtay involved in the
n'. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and Mountain View Commons I City of Port Townsend
Why would w.tak. away an activespoah,olfIto, passive tail, and another pari: when there are
Washington hcityofpt ).Thank, again fortakingth, flme m send your comment,.
b.autnfui tail, and —hg parks ail aver Portiown... d and Fart Word,,?
10/22/2022
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community di,cumon about the Porciown... d Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. Iwili pa„your qu.rtion, along W our planning tea- W. have an opeationai
The oreginai agreement when the property wa, turned over to the city wa, that it would be ured
coht,a,t for the Goif Course than, effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the
for m unicipa ipurpore,, which would include a golf course � t nota p -ate course), aviation or
future, both for the Goif Courre and M ountain View Comm ons. We will add your comm em, to the planning
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purpoms.Affordabi.ho—hi, snot a municipal use. The pool i, a municipal ore.
process torconsideation. In the meantI—piea,evi,it this webpage for other wky,you m n rtay involved in the
Afforanal
dable housing could only be ured by resident, of the housing and theirvisitors. The other
n. Envision Port Townsend Goif Cours.and Mountain View Commons l City of Portiown,end
ionaluresinciudIngth, golf co—, ran potennahy be u, ed by ail residents Choosing m
Washington hcityofptu,).Thank, again for taking the flme m send your comment,.
,w- or golf i, a pi,=ai choice, but i, open W ail resident,.
10/23/2022
Thank you so much for youriuput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Galt Course and
Mountain View Commons. I will pass your quertions lbog to our planuiugtea m. We have an opeationai
act for the Golf Course thatis effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst of planuiug for the
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future, both for the Golf Course and Mountain View Commons. We will add your com mems w the planuiug
The open space in the center of town iso definingchaacteustic of ourcity. The recreational
process forconsideation. In the meantime, plea se visit thiswebpage for other ways you an rtay iuvolved in the
benefits ata newaquatichcilityald upgraded recreational remurces would aisethe quality of
c n. Envision Portiownsend Golf Courseand Mountain View Commons)Ciry of Port Townsend
if, for many residents, and this could be done at Mountain View. l look forward m this process
Washington hcityofpt ). Thanks again for taking the rime m send your comment,
and providiug additional teed back as it progresses.
10/24/2022
Thank you for youriuput on the laudeape Architect for the project. If you go on the webpage forthis effort, you
will find the Requert far Qua for the consultant This isa high level of cuteua we used W select the
ma little concerned oo what cuteua was used w select thelandsape arct
chiteuarm
l fi.Having
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Landsape Architect if you aim click on the September 6, 2022 Councii ut—uglilk, you will learn about the
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wed Groundswell Landscape design website, l aw that mauy of the projel listed W
selection process. The c eultaut that was chosen wase principal at a previous firm, and leading most of the
illustrate theirprojel, are notmfact, theirprojects. Many listed were actually completed by
projel, before hestarted his owncompa ny. This firm was unanimously eiected from our panel, and references
other c—pa u with the owner of Groundswell porting as beinginvoived m those projects. That
were checked. I have every confidence that they area great team forthis projel.
ands pretty shady. And haw much was the bids Please make this information mare available
10/24/2022
Asa seniorand immunocompromised swimmer,lattert to the remarizbievalue of the pool to
Thank you so much foryourinput forthe pool. Iwiii make sure we note rtaswe start the planningprocess.
my conflnued health. Unfortunately Its age and undependable nature area problem. W e need a
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ew pool facility. That aid -we need a continued ure of this pool dunug conrnucnon. My life
depends an it.
10/24/2022
Thank you so m uch for youriuput for this community di ,w— about the Portiownsend Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. I will pass your quertions a long W our planning team. We have an operational
actfor the Goif Course thatis effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the
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future, both for the Goif Cou rre and M ountam View Commons. Wewiii add yourcom merits to the planuiug
process tar consideation. In the meaut, iut please visit this —I fl,, other ways you an lay iuvolved m the
n'. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and Mountain View Commons I City of Port Townsend
Washington(cityofpt ). Thanks again far taking the rime m send your comments.
W ouid very much like m see this property remain a golf course.
10/24/2022
Hi-yestettlay shawetl that d was net the best format faro community dis[ussian_ Vatted we
hapetl to be outside sa h was very crawtletl ontl hopefully not o cavitl super spreotler_ They son
out of comment cabs half way through_ Please hove the upcoming open house at the Cammans
where there is plenty of roam ontl everyone can it at tables _ Sameane osk,d to have o question
ontl onswersessian with the roam but that tlitl not tappet_ In,lead people lin etl up to talk with
Chris or Davitl ontl o few people tnetl to hear some of what was said but it was held because it
Theiutent for yerterday was not m have anopen houre, butaproject launch,m meetand greet the architects.
w oily_ So the re was no community talking to each otherju,t people telling one person
The first open house will be set up differently w accom modate listening to everyone. lam sorry aboutthe
what they thought The format you usetl at the fist got maefing would hove been om uch better
ccaaiddment ardsrunningbut, we printed more haiiwaythrough, and had extra at the end beaure we did. That
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goob.d ideaveryoante con heorihequestionsontlanswers ontl say)tlitl not know thatorihotiso
good i' at, ,d tl the a betwtha every ane ontl you con sae tlirection ontl even
bat� did min a few folks m between.This larformat wasust su dto be a meet and
we pro y phot. 7 ppore
It wb
s Everyone feltvery sofisfietl that they hotl been heoN_I know it is hortlerforyou but
bee, h
greet And, the watherdidn't coopeate. Ihopethose that were uncomfortable .,,e alae to unirze the masks
you diid ougreatjob tolling on every one on d you have the stamina ontl atldy to manage o load
we provided. Thanks for your feedback.
m Chris ontl Davitl can answer particular questions but to have o real community dlwcussian
we have to hear wh of everyone is saying ontl be able to respantl_ I gat the impression from Chris
that he was waiting far the open house to get comments but he got same yestertloy ontl he
,eeled to not have reotl the comments online because he tlitl not know what the kitls were
saying they wanted
10/25/2022
Thank you so -d foryourinput forthis community di ,w—aboutthe P-T—osend Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. Iwill pawyour quertions alongto our planniugteam. We have an operational
act for the Goif Course thatis effective through Decem ber 2023 and we are m the midst of plaguing for the
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future, both for the Goif Cou rseand M ountam View Comm ons. We will add your com meats w the plaguing
The golf co ee is �aluabie as a golf course and a sda red space for everyone. Ideas around
Process forcons,deat,-.luthe meantime, please visit thiswebpage Parathar waysyou an rtay involved in the
gen pingto createa wa gpat ppmpuatet
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converanon. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and Mountain View Commons l Cityof Portiownsend
you.
Washington (cityofptusJ.Thanksagain Porta kingthe Time to send yourcomments.
10/26/2022
Thank you so much foryourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. Iwiii passyour quertions alongto our pianningtam. Wehaveauopeationai
act for the Goif Course thatis effective through Decem ber 2023 and we are m the midst of plaguing for the
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future, both for the Goif Course and M ountam View Comm ons. We will add your com meats w the plaguing
Preserve and expa rid the exirnug gatay pame, which is a unique remnant of our p,e1—peau
process forco de- In the meautime, please visit thiswebpage for other ways you a n lay iuvolved m the
land"ape . Blue camas, lomanum and other -e pame plants found at the Portiownsend
n. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend
pame areuniquely adapted m our Olympic aweila
m shadow climate and djusted for periods of
the rie mend your comments.
r ng m
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draught. They dont require irrigation, and have importaut cuituai connections with loci tubes.
10/27/2022
Goiters living lore by want to continue using it- Som e people have fond memories ---d Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this com m ty discussion about the Portibwn,e.d Gbit Course and
with the p"re-Occasi igolf fund--, help Tool nonprofit, R Boson, NOT W keep the PF
Mountain View cIwiii pass your quert ' along w bur planning team. We have an opeationai
Gbit Cburle a 9 ibole golf course... -58 pubil'lyawned acresin the middle of PF for use only by
act for the Gbit Coursethan, effective through December 2023 and we are in the midst bf planning for the
less than l0% bf the population- Over a million dodo rr needed wbring the course up tba
future, both for the Gbit Cbu rre and M o to View Cbmmbns. We will add- com m Brit, wthe planning
y,
use ata- ,when water availability looks wbe bur
process fo,' ideation. In the meantime, please visit this -bp- for other ways you a n -y involved in the
b.- climate challenge-Isthere f,,hine ,d?Thi—prbmi,e, thewatertabie.-Discovery'
n. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course grid Mountain View Cbmmbnsl City If Pbrt Tbwnsend
Bay Gbit Course i, 18 holes, been voted b- the Peninsula- in 5 bf thelart 12
Washington(cirybfpt.u,). Thanks again for taking the flme t, send your comments.
years,and i, bniy 3 miles away Passible Alternative Uses Fbod Fbr t -mg small, growing
large; a community food fares[ will a llowtar enhanced food security, better prepa hgforthe
e when aurloci fa produce gets claimed by metropolitan areas w the east; meanwhile.
gardening skills are learned, sail i, regen ted, residents came wknow mare oftheir neighbors,
and volunteers gain the health benefits bf getting their hands dirty. Fbbd Bank I`— and Gardens
should be'o h.ld W see if they would be willing tb manage such - effort. Walking T-1,
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Mare and mare of us are realizing the health benefits bf walking, but right naw the golf course is
bff limits. A tail yrt .-Idnotbniyaiibw n..goiferssame_..ie,it may cut dawn a bitbn
vehicle miles taveled. Sometimes a tail is a shortcut. hp,, please d. t pave) Housing. Yes, keep
the goif'ourse open space. M-1, But the parcel along Blaine (Hole 5) could hold 3D W 40 very
smalI ho e, (20-00 sgftin cih,t—bf eight) with very small yards and rail be primarily bpen
space. These homes wbuid be awned by the City and rented but tb young folk wantingW gain a
foothold in this town and willing tb live small until they— afford a bigger place. A'om m ty
=sting bf people 55 a rid bid,,, nota resilient'omm ty. Dog Park. Depending -what
W happen at Mountain View Cbmmbns, it may be propitious tb move the dbg pari: tb the
goif'ourse. Venue. The cihbhb eat the goif'ourse cbuid be put w use in many passible
'o _ty be -fill i ways A' by d--? AI, envirbnmen i Teaming 'enter? A rentable
eat space? Any of the many things I — not thinking of? Sorry, pffers. But get sea i. You need
tb be lobbyingwkeep one or two hales, bra driving ange a rid putting green. Fbr pa'[i'e a rid
t t' -mg. Ybu ya'[uaily,ucc d th that requ e,pe'aily if y- are Ming tb take
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10/28/2022
Thank yo uch for your -t th,, ydi„uss bout the Portio —d Gbit Course and
Mountain V ew co-” Ii pass your quertion, along W our planning team. We havea bpeati i
tbfor the Gbit Course than, effective through December 2023 and we are i, the midst bf planning for the
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future, both for the Gbit Course and Mountain View Cbmmbns. Wewiii add your'_ m eats tb the planning
bold like the goif'ourse site tb remain an bpen use site. l think it wbuid be a huge'ommunity
process for'on,ideation. In the meantime, please visit thiswebage for other ways you a n rtay involved in the
et sap 1,whi'h includes walking tails, a arboretum and native plant rertbation area,
n. Envision P Townsend Gbit Course a rid Mountain View Co-, l City bf P Townsend
and of'_'e prat,,t,_bf and expansion of the Kah TaiPame. This ail .-Id be mart useful 0,
Wash"gtbn('ityofpt.us). Thanks again for taking the flme w send your comments.
the uppersection.I cbuid see a disc golf area set up_ the lower, t' of the pari,
10/30/2022
Thank you so -i, for yourinput for th,, m ty di„uss abbot the Po To --d Gbit Course and
Mountain View co-” Ii parr your quertion, along W our planning team. We havea bpeati i
tbfor the Gbit Course than, effective through December 2023 and we are i, the midst bf planning for the
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future, both for the Gbit Course and Mountain View Cbmmbns Wewiii add your'_ m eats tb the planning
process for'on,ideati—In the meantime, please visit this -bp tar other waysyou an -yinvolved in the
n'. Envision Pbrt Townsend Gbit Course and Mountain View Cbmmbns I City of Pbrt Townsend
play 't'oncea week with my so I, if s a great green space fol lid lite and golf. It the
Wa-gtbn('ityofpt.us). Thanks again for taking the rime W send yourcomments.
'burse had m a refunding _ sure rtwbuid daw a lot -e re people w play.
10/31/2022 Thank you so m uch for yourinput for thl, m Ity di„u,si. abbot the Portibwn,e.d Gbit Course and
Mountain View Cbmmbns. We have an bpeati i'bnn for the Goif Cburle that i, effective through
December 2023 and we are in the midst of pianningforthe future, bath for the Gait Course and Mountain View
Cbmmbns. We will add your'om m e t,the planning process for consvdeat—, In the meantime, please visit
this webpagefor btherwa you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Pbrt Townsend Goif Course and
what a camel Hasn't Pbrt Townsend leen enough tre ut down lately?Justlookat the Mountain View Cbmmbnsl City of Pbrt Townsend Wahl--('ityofpt.u,). Thank, a gain for taking the tim eta
,e= bf Fort Warden)Seveai oilgrbwth tree,chave been mowed down. New out of ,end your'o 1M,.
context homes are being built. Pretty -, Please don't ape the goif'ourse tool
11/1/2022 hoe been exclusively al ocaigoffcourse.l,ee this process being served by centering the space in
quertio, around at least ane of the continuously stated needs of the community, and of the
comprehensive and rtategic plans of aur City and County. While Mere are many issues
oned in Mese plans, tees that ane in particular rtands out as a shared value that many
parties could support. resilience, or emerge,ry preparedness. Surely the conversation around
this publicly awned space could be centered on such a common need. Focusing on emerg
preparedness i, already part of the local culture of Jefferson County with our Ali County P,— ,
o,g response to "' 111, and aur remote and ruai location here on the Olympic
Peninsula. Given that the property in quertion isalso near the center of PoIt 1ownrend, 111 ,ht
ur loai Red Crass, Police Station, and dawn the hili from Me Fre DepartmentR i, positioned
oosoupportthe community quite well. Pacticaily, th vision could go many directions, but in
der m appease the adv —, of the golf course's existing" open green space "and meet the
needs of aur broader community, I would suggest keeping the resilience additions focused. Key
117 aspects that could be pursued include perennial toad production, water harvest and rtoage,
nergy ge,eatio,,anda gartering place.Food production. I am not 1u 11Nngrtarting a new
faun (yet) on this land, but considering the pia ,ting of halt and nut pees, a toad toren, that does
norequire the same needs as annual craps. This region an grow a wide variety of halts
luding apples, pears, Hgr, plum s and nuttree, including hazelnut and chestnut. There are
many growers on this Peninsula who could inform orlead such an effort. Water Ha 11tand
Stooge When a major earthquake rmke, this region, we will be lucky to avoid waterline
disruption and damage. Where will aur water came from in Mi, event' Water battles serve an
immediate need, but we must c -,,d,, medium term solutions that take advantage of water as
our greaten natuai resource. We harvertand nose water- site in cisterns, below or above
ground gads. Why not include an iconic water:o forthi,ico towns It an became a paint
of pride and imagery for this place. Energy Geneation. Similarm water, aur energy ryrtem will
be massively disrupted d—mga major earthquake. W here will local people go to gatherin a place
that has light and --thy Where will people go to even charge their phone,? We are woefully
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion aboutthe Portiown,e,d Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have an opeationai contact for the Goif Courre that i, effective through
December 2023 and we are in the midst of pianningtor the future, bath for the Gait Course and Mountain Vi—
Cb ,
iewCommons. We will add your commentsm the planning process for _,d,,kh . Inthemeantime,piea, ,it
thi,webpageforotherway,you can stay involved m the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goff Course and
Mountain View Commove City of Port Townsend Washington (cityofptu,). Thank, again for taking the time to
,end your cam merit,.
11/1/2022 engage
Thank you so much toryourinput forthi, community discussion aboutthe Portiown,e,d Gait Course and
Please seriously consider selling, gifting, or leasing rte property to the Jamer[own tilbe,who
Mountain View Commove. We have an opeationai contractfor the Goif Courre that i, effective through
have the expertise and business a come, to make the course intoes successful venture.Th,
December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the future, both for the G If Course and Mountain View
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Jamestown tribe has experience in developing and managinga successful golf course(Cedarr at
Commove. We will add your corn mento m the planning process for consvdeation. In the meantime, please visit
Dungeness -wort of Port Town,e,d). https'J/cedars.cam/golf/ The mbe mightai,o use it to
this webpa ge for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and
educate visitors a rid balsa— their geneations and culture here before Europeans I
Mountain View Commonsl City of Port Townsend Wa,hingto,(cityofptu,). Thank,again for taking th, hit, eW
Thanks for e,ing
send your comments.
11/1/2022 engage
V, few porn,, remain in the Peninsula. Please prererve the treasure that rail exists on Mie
Thank you,omuchfor yourinput for this -unity discussion about the Portiown,e,d Goif Courseand
property. Dnce the porn,, a re wiped out, they will never return.
Mountain View Commons. We have a n opeationai contractfor the Goif Courre that i, effective through
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Decem ber 2023 and we are in the midst of pianningtor the future, bath for the Gait Course and Mountain Vi—
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Common,. We will add yourcom m e,t, m thepianning process z,_—d—h-, Ih the meantime, please visit
this webpage for other ways you can stay involved m the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courre and
Mountain View Commons I City of Port Townsend Washington (cityofptu,). Thank, again for taking the time W
rend your comments
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11/4/2022
Thank yo uch foryour-p tforthis corn -y discussion boutthe Portio vend Goif Course and
I think a portion of the golf course couidremain golf+elated (putting green&/or driving ange)
Mountain View Commons. We have a n opeationai contractfor the Goif Courre that i, effective through
butthelandi,too valuabiem stay solely a golf courre e,peciaily',hg that weaira dy have
Decem ber 2023 and we are m the midst of planning for the future, both for the Goif Courseand Mountain View
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another golf course and we' re a small community. Gait co u are expensive W maintain and
Commons. We will add your comm em, m the planning process for consvdeatio,. In the meantime, please t
requirea ht ofchemialinp-, And WATER which we don't have excess of m Port Town send
this webpage forotherway, you can stay involved m theconversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courreand
particularly con sidering the paper mill requires a great deal to function. There are so many other
Mountain View Co-, I City of Port Townsend Wa,hingto,(cityofptu,). Thank, again for taking the timeW
muitrure prospects for the golf course that would servea greater percentage of the population
send your comments.
11/4/2022
Thank you,omuchtor yourinput for this -unity discussion about the Po Town,e,d Gait Course and
support shifting rte golf course m a green space/pari: with tails, courts and open green space
Mountain View Co-- We have a n opeationai co ma. for th, Goif Co that i, effective through
forailofthecommunitytou,e.lcouid envision an arathat isa playground... an area with
December 2023 and we are m the midst of planning for the future, both for the Goif Course and Mountain View
methingiike tetherbaii,basketball,badmintonorvoileybaii court, and then open space for
Commons. We will add your commentsm the planning process for consvdeation. In the meantime, please visit
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picnics and free play. I, ert walking tails,bathrooms and maybe a fountain for are m the
this webpage for other ways you can stay involved m the conversation. Envision Port Town send Gott Co and
,,(when wate, i I,allow) that people an run through and play in. l would like to see
Mountain View Co ,l City of Port Townsend Wa,hingto,(cityofptu,). Thank, again for taking the timet.
quet spacer"with be,che,and gardens for reading or beingpea ,U. l would like W res a few
rend your corn menu.
n uai tables with chess boards m them to promote that type of thinking and tree play a, weil.I
would like Itto esterW a wide ange of ager.
11/6/2022
Thank you so much for your input forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiown„nd Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. W, have a n opeationai co —for the Goif Cour,, that,, effective through
December 2023 and we are,1 the midst of planning for the future, bath for the Goif Course and Mountain View
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Commons. W, will add your --t, m the planning process for consvd,ation. In the meantime, please visit
The Open Green Spaces,, what makes Port Townsend m livable.Th, "pond"iso refuge for
this webpa g, for other ways you can stay invol—e the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Cour,, and
wildlife. Using the Goif Course for a ny[hing other than Open Green Space would b,a taverty. It
Mountain View Commons l Qty of Port Townsend Wa-gton(cityofpt.u,). Thanks ,n for taking the time to
would aim violate the Deed.Pleased- tchop up the Goif Course. Thank you.
send your --t"
11/8/2022
Hi- the presenmfion for the Native Att,,,-lnHenmge Month was very roving Thev,poker-1 bout
Hl Nancy. Th-Wk much for your email. Iwffl makesI,, it getson the logand the team reads it. Thanksagain.
their camp being at Memorial Rdd At the lastst.klhdlll committee —It Ig far the golf course
antl Mt Mew the stake haltllers were asked to tell a personal story or meaning about the golf
sa The two tribal representatives spoke about h- very impatmnt antl meaningful the golf
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use property was to them, their faro — antl tribe_ They saitl d was a very special piece of I.,d
aid from the hill there you can stll sae the path where their boats were moved from the camp at
Memorial Field up antl d— the hill to golf course property_
This property is still that special place because of gdfers Mlong care of nfar 118 years. Please
It them continua_ The golf course I— rid need another purpose_ It's current purpose of taking
care of the property antl the open space is purpose enough_ Thankyau_
11/7/2022
Thankyou ,,muchforyour,lput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Goif Course and
support Hld,lga solution to enhance the golf, course and improve mari:enngand ouneach.l
Mountain View Commons. W, have an opeationai cont—for the Goif Cour,, that,, effective through
hav,ured the course and 1111,19 1119, the 90'1 and early 2000,. My fath,rwasa PGA pro for
D,c,m bar 2023 and wear,mthe-- of planning for the future, both for the Goif Course and M ount—View
60 year, and always played there when he l,sit,d Pi. He and my m other chore IT over Chevy
Commons. W, will add your --t, the planning process for consvd,ation. In the meantime, please v,,,t
Chase and were treated like rack'tars when they s,g-d,I, I hope W have the opportunity m use
this webpa g, tar other way, you can rtay,lvoiv,d m the conversation. Envision Port Town„rid Goif Cour,, and
the courre,lth,futur, and have proc11rnnat,d my desire to go ha bail,. I think a mari:,ting
Mountain View Commonsl Qty of Port Townsend W-mgton(cityofpt.u,). Thank, a gain fo,-mg thetimet-
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nudge and abii,ty m u„rental club, I would jump back, 1, l a im took a lesson or two, but of
,end your comm ants.
coarsen told my father the pro. I wa sperplexed reading the pia n when l read the
endationtor,m ov,th, rock, S1-1210 Madison Street Port Townsend WA 98368
Phone (36D) 3853000 Home Dashboard l Sit,map l tngout l W,b—1 l Employee l linking
Polity I which I love. Paved art path...qu,rtionabi, need. I hope that,-,,, creative plan an
develop to keep 9 hol—htactand rev,taI— enthusiasm to play goif,l town and perhaps share
space. Develop the Southw- comer off San Juan/19th? Preserve Kah Tai p-,- I visit often m
sp111g
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11/9/2022
Thank yo uch foryour-p tforthis com -y discussion boutthe Portio nand Goif Courseand
ve through
Mountain View Commons. We have an opeationai contrac[forthe Goif Cour,, that,, effect—through-
Decebar 2023 and we ar„n the--of piann,ngfor the future, bath for the Goif Course and Mountain View
m
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Commons. W, will add your com -t, the piann,lg process for consvd,ation. Inth,m,antime,pi—,—,t
golfed that course sinc,lwasa little kid l„itin9my gandpa 1t,and family. l do not live
this — —,- other way, you can rtaylvol—m the co--tion. Enl,sion Port Town send Goif Cour,, and
and PT any more, but every timelgo backlmake an effortmtry to play. Would be a,ham,
Mountain View Commons l Qrt ty of PoTownsend—hingt-h,,tyofpt.u,). Thank, a gain to,-mg the timeW
to lose that fac,i,ry as rtes really nice to have something green and recreanonai nght,n the city.
end your comments.
11/10/2022
Thank you so much foryourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have an opeationai contrac[forthe Goif Cour,, that,, effective through
hove-1911-'p-11—w0diff,park„1sid, the Qty, and lam and that the Goif Course fan,
December 2023 and we ar„,th,--of planning for the future, both for the Goif Course and Mountain vi—
_'g "green space'a misleading argument to promote continued use of city property for
Commons. W, will add your --t, t, the planning process for consvd,ation. In the meantime, please visit
goifersoniy. My oppositionmth,current goifcour,, stem, from the fact that so very few PT
thi,w,bpage forotherwaysyou can rtay,nvoived,n the conversation. Envision Port Townsend Goif C-11,,idem,
can enjoy this large pubilc awned property ,1svd, Qty limit,. Th, -t— property except
Mountain View Commonsl Qty of Port Townsend Washington (cityofpt.u,). Thank, a gain to,-mg the time W
the dm,way and parking lot,sci,ady ma-da,bitI—, m a nyon, not piaymg golf And thi„s
,end your comment,.
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in effect 24/7. Perhaps there are way, to retail most of the property as a somewhat liable golf
se, butW also P-1,11access to the other 98% of Qty residents. Maybe the tour,, an be
redesigned with walking t—I, that would be open aft,, hours and on 23 days midweek m non-
goif,rs. And ha p, the pond area that,, 11th,,[for w,idirf, could be ma,--h, and enhanced
with a viewing boardwalk tar bird watchers. Although—tt-tad a, a somewhat
orally fnendiy golf course, and yes, gas, IS green, mart of this property,, NDT a nth
w,idhf, habit. If w,idirf, was a m,a"ngfui pno11ty the roughs and thickets would be mama—d
with mare diver,, plants, and invasive spec,,, would be better controlled.
11/10/2022
I would love W reean aquatic center and walking pari: with paved t-1,.
Thank you so much for you ,i tfor this community discussion about the Portiown„rid Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. W, have a n opeationai contactor the Goif Cour,, that,, effective through
December 2023 and we a, n the meds of piann,ngfor the future, bath for the Goif Course and Mountain View
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Commons. W, will add your --t, t, thepiann,lg process forconsvdeation. Inth,m,antime,pi,a,,-,t
thi,w,bpag,foroth,rway,you can rtay,nvol—mth, c--ration. Envision Portiown„rid Goif Cour,, and
Mo-tam View Commons l Qty of Port Townsend Washington (cityofpt.u,). Thank, again to,-mg the time W
,end your comments.
11/10/2022 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiown,end Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have a n opeationai contact for the Goif Courre that is effective through
December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the future, bath for the Goif Course and Mountain View
Whatab—sharing the property?lam and to,, that Tool fans of the PF golf coursech.,, to Commons. Wewilladd your --t, m the planning process for consvdeation. In the meantime, please ,,it
promote the idea that only a Goif Course =Green Space.Theyimpiy Mat those of us who want this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courre and
to Me property are oppored to green spa ce. This is false. My objection to this golf courre Mountain View C-1 City of Port Townsend Washington jcityofptu,). Think,a gain for taking the timeW
oncGty awned property isthat rt offers NO access tar non -golfers. The rest of usare trespassers rf send your comment,
set foot off the dmewey and parking lot Haw many Port Townrend residents and visitors
play golf here? W hat rfthe property was open W everyone daily before 10pm and ail day Tues ,
Thursday? With golf on 4 day weekend,? Addiflonai paths could be defined tar geneai use if the
greens need to be offa-H, to protect the gals. This would not be difficult It would enhance the
128 facility tar everyone if accessible boardwalks were conrtructed alongside the patne and at the
pond. Designed properly these would protect the pond wildlife, add an excellent place tar
r nal and bird watching. Again not difficult if Mere a re Port Town send area resident,
who
wan to play golf here, shared use could be a pretty decent compromise. And a bout that green
spare. yesgas, is green. rut we ail know that closely mowed gas, offers little sustenance or
variety tar wiidirfe. The pond and the thickets offer same decent wiidirfe habitat, but it should be
much better. Even golf course managed without mxic thermal is not a rich wiidirfe habitat.
The mart environmentally friendly golf courses improve the thickets tar wiidirfe by planting mare
ned plants (biodiversity)), c,ht,ohhginva,ive plants, etc. That does not happen here. With
1111 access and use, Me property might find m ore volunteer do—, rid helpers for
projects. It would be fabulous to have mare people enjoying the property and mare —t.—
f,, the caf,l
11/12/2022 Afi-lend just had a great idea. if you want to walk on the golf course go W Goodwill or online and
get a ured or new golf bag, a golf club or two and a golf ball or two. Then pay your greens tee and
129 wai k the course. You an hit a bail t. Pi, m a timely ma rine,. A single person an usually Ireceived the two com lents you rent last week a rid have put them m the log.Thanks.
play 9 hales m a couple of hours. It a nice three mile we ik. Who knows you might want to take
a lesson.
11/12/2022
Good news this week about the Fairgrounds a rid Meir new manager Dany MCE—hy who is
130 finally making use of the Fairgrounds by opening a skating rink. Just think a bout ail Mose Ireceived the two comments last week and have hem in the to Thanks.
buildingsand a ii the land thatas he mid'jurt sitand iota—, Ali the things the kids are wanting you rent putt g.
could have space and a leader who an get it done. th,atht— of not making it compilated or
'f— but home grown is very refreshing. Congatulations on a great start)
11/12/2022 I've lived in Port Townsend my entire lite. My frfend,arid l used W wake up at s—Iem high Thank you,o much for yourinput for this com munity discussion a bout the P -Townsend Goif Courseand
school to go play go if at PF GC, and when ever thycom e eback m Port Townsend, it s where we Mountain View Co--
We have an opeationai contrac[forthe Goif Courre that is effective through
ail meet up again for golf, laughter,and,hanngmemorfe,. I'm amemberatthecourse, l December2023andweareinthemidrtofpianningforthefuture,bothforthe Goif Courseand Mountain View
partici pate in fundic hg tournaments, commertai league, and spend many hours on the driving Co—, We will add your --t, m the planning process for consvdeation. In the meantime, please visit
ange, or playing a quick round of 9. I havea Gy—old son that begrmeon the weekends to go this webpage for otherways you can rtayinvoived in the conversation. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and
o the golf course. We usually hit a bucket of ange bails, then get a art and play 9 holes Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend Washington(cityofptu,). Thanks again for taking the til eto
131 together. He absolutely LOVES it, and so do 1. The smile on face while we dme the al, eat send y_
comments.
nack, and laugh are nt,I cis I, and will hold drama my heart forever. PFGC is part of
the community, and the subculture that participates m its beauty loves and enjoys it. They
volunteer their time to take are of it and are loyal to it. Goif is a game fora lifetime, and I hope
to be able to play it for the vert of my, He, with my mn, here m P -Townsend.
11/13/2022 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiown,end Goif Course and
I have served as Paris& Rec Commissioner during the development of our City Comprehensvve Mountain View Commons. We have a n opeationai contact for the Goif Courre that is effective through
plan. l also served as a Planning Commissioner here in PF.I hope you takeinto c-,,d,at,-ail December 2023 and we are in the midstofpilnningforthefuture, both for the Goif Courseand Mountain View
the non profit, that use the golf course to aise m oney for their orga—ations. As a ihahghai and Commons. We will add yourcomment, m the planning process for consvd,at,-. In the meantime, please ,,it
S year board member for the Y, one of our major fundaisers was our golf tournament Those this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courre and
funds wereused for scholarships for Tow income kids pmg—, Every weekend during summer Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend Washington jcityofptu,). Thanks again for taking the timeW
onths are dedicated to nonprofit tournaments. The lose of the golf course will affect earemely send your comments.
132 red sources for fundaising. My recond reason tor,uppordng the golfcourse is senior health
and recreanonai usage. Our hospital board has always supported ail a ctivities at the golf course
to help preventive medical heaith care. tart, the school golf teams from Port Townsend and
Chimacum use this course. The lessees, as well as reveal clubs, help to l— funds for
scholarships for t lle
ese kids W go W coge. I know that mve ne
any kids hagoonto college with
part and full ride scholarships because they learned to play golf at aur city golf c --This ties
right back into my first reason m keep the golf course. The golf course, as it is naw, is a vital part
of aur community.
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11/18/2022 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P - Tb— send Gait Course and
This parcelincludes Sentinel—k,ahire-, site where Chetamoka signaled to the white M ountain View Commons. We have a n opeationai comas[ for the Goif Courre that ie effective through
pioneers that they would not fight for the land. The S'K MI— are naw spilt into three bands (Port December 2023 and we are m the midst of pianningforth, future, bath forth, Gait Course and Mountain View
136 Gamble, Jamertown, and Lnwer Eiwha), ail there of which consider P- Tb— eend(gatay)an Commons. We will add your --t, m the planning process fit,—vd,ation. In the meantime, please visit
important part of their ib—t. l suggest that 0 three be contacted fit,- ton creating this webpage for other ways you can rtayinvoived m the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courreand
appropriate cuiI history information(besideejust honoring their surrender)as well asaccess Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend W-mgton(,ityofptue). Thanks a gain fit, -mg the time to
and partnership m shared pubilc meeting spaces. send your comments.
11/20/2022 As faros whatac[ivitiesto keep the aneweri, 0 that are here now. Ina small town th,reare I have noted yournew comments —1, Thank you.
only a few people tar every sport. A few like W swim, a few to golf, a few play pickle ball. W e
137 need ail the venues. You —'t get rid of the pool beaus, fewer people use than play pickle ball.
Two ioai high schools joined to make one football team m order to have enough players. This is
not Seattle.
11/20/2022 I have noted your new comments Nanry. Thank you.
As faros needinga place m walk within 10 minutes of where you live that may be a problem in
138 Seattle but everywhere in Port Townsend you an just step out of your home and be waikingin
beautiful surroundings. W, do not always require t,—po-anon just m walk. Maybe if we want
to walk at Fart Fiagler or Kah Tai or on a beach.
11/23/2022
min favor of repurposing the golf course as a pubilc pari: that serves the g --i pubilc. Why
139 singtax dollars to subsidae a wasteful, ---ienvironment that serves only a few?
let's create a beautiful open space with facilities open toail. Turn It a showplace and
JI-1-t—pro�eR tar perm a,uiture design featuring native plants and facilities that support
communiry resilience. Jogging taiiel Community gardens a rid orchards) Surtainability cu
11/23/2022
low cart housing. open green spaces. so few golf piay,rs? why save a near dead hit
11/22/2022
eitouid like t,, res at the very least the golf courre property remain city awned green space
her,ontinuingas a p"—dy run municipal golf course or pubilc access nature pari: with
walking paths and a small area tar outdoor recreation (swing rets and play area) and adjoining
141 picnic area. It the area remains a golf course, would like to see after hours pubilc access tar
waikingand nature observation during daylight hours. Thisie very common on golf courses in
Europe.I do not want[seeth,, land said for 10-1—i d11elbp—,,tt,, include housing it,
the city develop or partner with any other entity tar such purpo—, Ideally if not a golf course,
then greenspace such ae the Quimper Land Convdor with the addition ata playground and picnic
area would greatly enhance and ,ompilmentth, quality of lite of ur ioai communiry
11/23/2022
The three year,ontact you gave the golf --, was the mm, three Years ae,ovid m evervon,
and everythingi, town was affected and itis not a realistic picture of haw profitable the course
an be. Naw that David Hein ie reviewing the Fionda report you will soon res that it had
problems and everything can be done tarso much less and same of it not done at ail because it
un wary. The report mid to cover the big rocks with roil so the--, would look more
appealing. W, , i th— racks are glacial e—t- which are boulders the glacier drape off ae it roils
on by. Save $6,000 right there. W e think the racks are wonderful and mmehow goiters have
managed to play around them tar aver 100 years. Pius you fixed the well and did other things
er there three years ae did the Piayete club with landeaping wort: probably roving the
$45,000 cart of tree and-- wort: outlined in the repo-. Si, there ie no need for the course
to go away for your reason that it wastoo expensive and everything people want an go at Mt.
View, Kah Tai, or same of the city's consideabie property and probably a couple of things will be
compatible with the course as I am sure you don't want it t shut dawn very much so they lose
.--h ich affects what they pay the city. Gait bails an g0 160 miles an hour so you an't
have people Iurt wandering a round. The golf course ie ane of the mart ib--, properties in town
just like the the Rothschild houre and others Itis living -1-1y, The city's awn hist -c
pre'e'W on committee hasa mandate to nitre hist-, property and I would my the golf
e is a 10 in that ategory. please do not d -my the golf course. let the goiters continue to
take care of this open space.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P - Tb— send Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have a n opeationai contract for the Goif Courre that ie effective through
December 2023 and we are in the midst of pianningfit, the future, bath for the Gait Course and Mountain Vii-
-, We will add your com meats m the planning process for consvdeation. In the meantime, please visit
this —bp—for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Townsend Goif Co and
Mountain View Commons I City of Port Townsend Washington (,ityofptue). Thanks a gain for taking the time to
end your comments.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P - Tb— send Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have a n opeationai contract for the Goif Courre that is effective through
Deem ber 2023 and we are in the midst of pianningtorthe future, bath for the Gait Course and Mountain View
Commons. We will add yourcom m eats m the planning process for consvd,ation. In the meantime, please visit
this webpa ge for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courre and
Mountain View Commons I City of Port Townsend Washington (,ityofptue). Thanks a gain for taking the time W
end your comments.
Thank you so much foryourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have a n opeationai contract for the Goif Courre that is effective through
Decem ber 2023 and we are in the midst of pianningtorthe future, bath for the Gait Course and Mountain View
Commons. We will add yourcom m eats m the planning process for consvd,ation. In the meantime, piease—a
this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courre and
MountainView Commons I City of Port Townsend Washington (,ityofptue). Thanks a gain for taking the time W
send your --t"
Thanks for your comments Nanry. I have added them to the comment log.
New WI.-asnf V27/22,
11/27/2022 Thank,fo y- comment, Nan Ihaveadd d hem to the onmment log.
For the repurposing project of Mt. View and golf courm we have naw been told we have to pick
which a.ivines we want m keep. A, fame what activities to keep the an,weri, ail that are here
143 w. In a small town there are only a few people tar every sport. A few like W swim, a few to
golf, a few play pickle ba ii. 1, need ail the venues. You can't get rid of the pool bem um fewer
poop ie use than play pickle bail. Two lac i high s,ho lsIoined to make ane football team in order
W have enough players. This is not Seattle.
11/28/2022
144 I think that a combination of use a, open space, agriculture, and affordable housing would
P-- the greaten community benefit from this wonderful city property. Nothing against
golfers, but a golf course doesn't provide broad community benefit, or increase affordable
housing or food.... ty, and isn't even accessible m non -golfers.
11/29/2022 Hi -I gat I copy of the plan_ Since we know the R,Id. report is being r.v,...d it ..,Id be I
tlisservice to the city Intl the course to leave the golf course perlgrlph, Is is Intl approve the
145 plln_ can paint out plrticullrs like the city h., I.T. work Intl R.Y.r's Gl Hb
h., tlanework etc_
but you know them_ The ......t wey if you hive to Ipprwe before the new report is out just
dA— tex
III the t Intl sly Upd- to came in spring of 2023_
Thib wey the rest of the report is a ble Intl you—uptl-wish correct teM far the future when
report is A.W Intl mlybe even know the outcome before upd.t,,g_
11/8/2022
HI -the presentation for the Native Amman Heritage Month was very moving. They spoke
about their a mp being at Memorial Field. At the last.akehoid,r com mitts, meeting for the golf
and Mt View the stake hoidiers were asked to tell a personal -, or mea ning about the
golfcourm. The two mibai representatives spoke about haw very important and meaningful the
lfourse pro
145 gocperty was to them , their families mike. ke. They mid it wa,a very special piece of
land and from the hili there you can soli see the path where their boats were moved from the
_p at Memorial Field up and dawn the hili to golf course property. This property is.iii that
special place bemure of golfers taking care of t for 118 years. Please let them continue. The golf
se does not need another purpose. It's current pus oftaking mire ofthe property and
the open space i, purpose enough. Thank you
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiown... d Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have a n opeationai contact for the Goif Corm that i, effective through
Decem b"2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the future, bath for the Goff Course and Mountain View
Commons. We will add your com msots m the planning process for —d—h-, In the meantim e, please visit
this webpa ge for other ways you can stay involved in theconversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Corm and
Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend Washington (cityofptu,). Thanks again for taking the time to
send your cam mems.
Thank,forth, sugge.ion Nanry. I am natio a position to reinvent history. The NGF reporti,what itis. It e -,, th
Thank, for your comment, to Co.ncii Nanry. I have added them m the full log of comment,.
11/29/2022 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiown... d Goif Course and
Mountain View Common,. We have a n opeationai contra. for the Goif Corm that is effective through
Helio.lwouidi... to see the golfcorm turned intoa green space that ismore accessible by Decem ber 2023 and wears in the midst of pianningforthefuture, both for the Goif Co.rseand Mountain View
147 repeople. Wearelosing open space so while we need housing, l don't think that i, the Common,. We will add your com msots m the planningprocess forconsvd,,kt,-, In the meantime, please visit
mi.tion.lw-"lovetb.iid up the plant habitat m it follows a pennacuiture mind,e;with this webpage for oth,rway, you can rhyinvoived in th....ersation. Envision Port Townsend Goif Corse and
different heights and type, of plants. It could be used asa pennacuiture d,mon.ation site ora Mo..rain View Commonsl city of Port Townsend Wa,hington(cityofptu,). Thank, again for taking the tim oto
common food fares[. send your cam mento.
11/29/2022 Thank you so -h for yourinput for this com munity discussion about the Po Townsend Goif Course and
M o.ntain View Common,. We have an opeationai contra. for the Goif Corse that i, effective through
I'd like t, wean invernnentina milks a nay so thatwe could have m ore opportunities to havea December 2023 and wears in the midst of pianningforthefuture, both for the Go if Course and Mountain View
148 m -bon neural grid,as well as emergency electricity when the large magnitude earchquake(th, Common,. We will add yo.rcommsots m the planning process for consvd,,kt,-, In the meantime, please visit
big one) hits and we are cutoff from the larger mppilers.l'd aim like a community garden projel this webpage for oth,rway, you can stay involved m the...ermtion. Envision Port Townsend Goif Corse and
wits ba filled with shareable tole and fanning equipment let's.,, the rest for 5 story Mountain View commonsl city of Port Townsend Wa,hington(cityofptue). Thank, again for taking th, rim e to
afford able housing unit, and go for maximum density. Maximum density! send yourcomments.
11/29/2022 Thank yousomuchfor yourinput for this -unity discussion about the Po Townsend Goif Course and
We needa bold,ambitious vision that mrve,a multitude of needs m away that i, -e than just Mountain View Co-- We have a n opeationai contra. for the Goif Corse that i, effective through
collection of feature, and amts D,.Ination foriocai, and t- alike. As one example, December 2023 and we are in the midst of pianningfor thefuture, both for the Go if Course and Mountain View
he,
,whatl parted01 HIS Stack function,.There i, m m. ch space! Piaygro.nd(JUM P i, Co-, We will add yo.rcomment, t the planning process forconsvd khon. In the meantime, please visit
149 1 d we need more). Ampah,ater(aii season).Climbing/bouidering. High rope, course this webpage for otherway,yo. can rhyinvoived m the conversation. EnvisionPort Townsend Goif Corm and
and walking trails above/through it ail. Planted and signed as a b-eg—ki bot --i garden using Mountain View Common, I City of Port Townsend Washington (cityofpt.,). Thank, again for taking the time W
perrnacuiI principle,W minima, inputs andmaintenance. Some kind of shared kitchen space send your comments.
(like lila's) t feed the—a— (and add additional revenue). S—o.nded by a multipurpose
paved nail (like Greeniake).
11/30/2022Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the PoH Townsend Goif Corse and
The golf cou serve, relatively few people and i, farfrom an " open space' or green space. Mountain View Co-- We have a n opeationai gonna.
forth, Goff Corse that i, effe.iv, through
There i,nap.biic accem.Ch—mly,th,.ty,ba,imily ju.alandiord colie.ing rent, on land. l December 2023 and we are in the mid. of pianningfor the f.tee,bothfor the Go if Course and Mountain View
150 believe that the la rid min better th, .ty and public m o any ways. Some of it co. id be Common,. We will add yourcomment, t the planning process for consvd khon. In the meantime, please visit
.sed for m. ch+ eed,d affordable ho.sing. Me— keep mo. of it for public u, e, s. I, as a pari:, this webpage for other ways you can stay involved m the ---h- Envision Port Townsend Goif Corse and
dog taii,,etc. It would be wonderful if mo. of the land could be --ed W its natuai.at, Mountain View Co-, I City of Port Townsend Wa,hington(cityofptue). Thank, again for taking the timeW
I,—,
to development a, a golf course. send your comments.
11/30/2022
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P,rciown,end Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have an,peati,nab contact for the Goff Courre that i, effective through
,ufd love to be able to ure at lean part of this space forwaiking, with my friends, and dog on
December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the future, both for the Goff Course and Mountain View
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leash. Sacament,', Ancii Hoffman Pari: has this mixed ure with goff course and tails. I also think
Commons. We will add your com mems m the planning process for c,nsvdeati,n. In the meantime, please visit
would benefit thecity and its citizens f d— of the space had high -0ensity affordable but
this webpage for otherways you can stayinvolved in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goff Courre and
beaunfui)housings, thatthepe,pie who wort: here could actually live here. Thkt, more
Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend Washington hcityofpt—). Thanks again for taking the time to
important than the min,nty of talks that golf, IMO,
send your comments.
11/30/2022
Thank you s, much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P,rciown,end G,if Course and
support the guff c,urre and Mountain View Comm,nsas com munity accessible spaces-
Mountain View Common,. We have an,peati,nai c,ntactf,rthe G,if Course that i, effective through
inclusive t, ail ages.I'd really like t,seea new p„i/community center, especially as we are a
December 2023 and we are in the mid,t of pianningf,rthe future,b,thf,r the G, if Course and Mountain View
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'me based com munity and water education s, paamount. It w,ufd also serve fitness and
Com mans. We will add your c, mm t, m the planning process far c,nsvdeati,n. Inthe abhb piea,evi,it
rehab,upp,rtf,raiiage,,onaiignm,ntwithJefferson Healthcare. I've wised my sevenyearoid
this web page farotherway, you can stayinvolved in thec,nversati,n. Envision Port Townsend G,if Course and
c
daughter here and often wish we c,uid wkik and play on the golfurse. Perhaps there's roam
Mountain View Cod,, I City of PdlT,wn,end Washington h,ay,fptu,). Thanks again for taking the time t,
fd,i, prom ein some public/privateaccess, but l believe in thevaide,f public green space for
send y,u,c,mments.
kng, expi,nng d meetng a, ourcry may grow may dense nother spaces
NiWtaddEnYS aS of IV3DI22
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12/2/2022
Keep the golf course.
Thank y,d d dd,d far your-ptf,r this com -y discussion abddt the Porti, nend G,if Course and
Mountain View Common,. We have an,peati,nai c-ta.f,rthe G,if Cod— that i, effective through
Decem ber 2023 and we are in the mid,t of pianningf,rthe future, bath for the G,if Course and Mountain View
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Common,. We will add y,urc,m m ent, m the planning prat es, for c_ d,at,-. In the meantime, please visit
this webpage far,they wky,y,u can stay involved in the c,nversati,n. Envision Port Townsend G,if Cod—and
Mountain View Common, l City of Port T,wn,end Washington h,ay,fptu,). Thank, again for taking the time t,
end your comments.
12/3/2022
Thank you s, much f,ry,urinput f,rthis community discussion ab,utthe P,rtiownsend G,if Course and
Mountain View Common,. We have an,peati,nai c-ta.f,rthe G,if Cod— that i, effective through
Decem ber 2023 and we are in the mid,t of pianningf,rthe future, bath for the G,if Course and Mountain View
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Common,. We will add y,urc,m m ent, m the planning prat es, for c_ d,at,-. In the meantime, please visit
this webpage far,they wky,y,u can stay involved in the c,nversati,n. Envision Port Townsend G,if Cod—and
Keep the
golf Keep part of p,rtiown,end and is one,f the few actrvttie, available bcah,
Mountain View Cod,, I City of PdlT,wn,end Washington h,ay,fptu,). Thank, again for taking the time t,
W,uid I_ msee it expanded it include mini golf and family f,—ed event,
,end y..=
ur comments.
12/4/2022
Thank you s, much f,ry,urinput f,rthis community discussion ab,utthe P,rtiownsend G,if Course and
w,ufd I— to eea small-unit truly aff,rdabie housing unity with bot, of gardens and
Mountain View Common,. We have an,peati,nai c-ta.f,rthe G,if Cod— that i, effective through
green space here. Maybe w,ri:ingin c,njunc[i,n with Celine Santiago acrossthe rtreet, t,
Decem ber2023 and wean in the midst of pianningf,rthefuture,b,thf,rthe G,if Courseand Mountain View
expand get vision somewhat.She'screanng ,,mea mavngthings on the peace sign property a nd
Commons. We %,i add y,urc,m m ent, m the planning pr,ces, far c_ d,at,-. In the meantime, please visit
w,uid love t, ee the city wd,b with her. Or perhaps farzniand and/,rmme spaces for
this webpage far other ways you can stay involved in the c,nversati,n. Envision P,rtiownsend G,if Courre and
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unityarfentedbu,inesse,?Keepingthe rratuai land, ape and green space... It made me
Mountain View Cod, ,,I City of PdlT,wn,end Washington(city,fptu,). Thank, again f,rtakingth,hb t,
and when the city t„k out the parking bot at better iivingthrough coffee and ju,t replaced it with
send your comments.
as h,pingf,r mare greenery and many people expressed that di,app,int,” t a,
weii. S,e I'd hate m see u, Tose the natuai beauty of that zone entirely if„m ething else got built
there.
12/1/2022
Thank you s, much f,ry,urinpdt f,rthi, community dab,utthe P,rtiown,end G,if Course and
Mountain View Common,. We have an,peati,nai c-ta.f,rthe G,if Cod— that i, effective through
December 2023 and we are in the mid,t of pianningf,rthe future, bath f,rthe G,if Course and Mountain View
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It irk, me that my taxpayer money i, sdpp,rmng a facility I anndt even waik on, since l a m NOT a
Common,. Wewiii add your com mems m the planning process f,rc,nsvdeati,n. In the meantime, please visit
goiter. A,weii, golf c,ursesuse m, much water, and chemical,. N,r d, they provide habitat for
this webpage f,rotherway, you can stay involved in the c,nverrati,n. Envision Port Townsend G,if Cod—and
Ipreferto—part of thi,propely,ab,ut 10 acre, or be,,, used for affordable
Mountain View Cod,, I City of PdlT,wn,end Washington h,ay,fptu,). Thank, again for taking the h— to
hawing and the seat,, open space and recreaflon, for everyone.
ur comments.
end y..=
12/2/2022
Thank you s, much f,ry,urinput f,rthis community discussion ab,utthe P,rtiownsend G,if Course and
Mountain View Common,. We have an,peati,nai c-ta.f,rthe G,if Cod— that i, effective through
Decem ber 2023 and we are in the mid,t of planning for the future, bath for the G,if Course and Mountain View
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The golfcurse in my opsnion what be better uflitzed for aff,rdabie hawing(a pal—ht,)and
Commons. Wewiii add your com mems m the planning prates, for c-,,d,at,-. In the—an- e, please visit
green space. Its bcati,ni, ci„e to, drool, and tore,. We airea by have another great guff
thiswebpa gef,rotherway, you can rtayinvofved in thec,nversati,n. Envision Port Townsend G,if Cod—and
at Chevy Chase. Chevy Cha,e probably w,ufd appreciate the added busine„a,w P.I
Mountain View Cod,, I City of PdlT,wn,end Washington h,ay,fptu,). Thank, again for taking the h— to
— t feel aur c_di_ty really need, two gaff c,urres.
,end your comment,.
12/4/2022
I have received your comment, and are adding th— to the bg.
The Health and WeHne„group i, ,pen nga whole bt of m oney and t—to build a Heaith and
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W eiiness Centerto enc,uage ail ,f u,to get outside and exertse m why d, they want t
eI mmate already exiting outdo,, exeai e and sport venues that are ured ail the time gemng us
outside exert,ing? The ,pen h,u,e in January i, tar u, to cho,,e which ,f tho,e venues we want
gone. Webb we don't want any we aiready have gone and they sh,uid not either.
12/4/2022 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P - Tb— „rid Gait Course and
m a goiter. Ido not play PF beau„ of the absence of course maintenance. I play at Discovery Mountain View Commons. W, have an opeationai contract for the Goif Courre that i, effective through
Bay which i, very well mai rrcain,d compared to PF.I believe that the land the PF golf course sits December2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the future, both for the G If Course and Mountain View
could be better utilized by —1 citizens If it were converted W other u,,,.lf on, considers the Commons. W, will add your --t, t, the planning process forconsvdeation. In the meantime, please ,,it
likelihood more citizens would use the courre If it were cleaned up and better managed the this w,bpage for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courre and
and money isnot there.Forthose who Holy want to play golf Discovery say iso Mountain View Commons)Gty of Portiownsend Washingt-h,,yofptu,). Thanksagain fortakingthetimeto
viable aitemative.Find—other uses for the land....b, they private or pubilcteasing the land send your --t"
tarresidential construction as many universities do W provide mare affordable housing for staff
might be a nice solution forth— advoating mare affordable housing aitematives.The tity need
of get involved m building affordable h—mga s they have d,monstated with the Cki—I
Apartments. Convening MVP W a theater might be a better use of the space. euiidinga new pool
and wellness center on the PF golf across from the pool makes„tire (bus connections
etc )Convening the golf course to a pari: does not make much rens, to me as we barely maintain
the parks we have. Anything with gals requires maintenance.
12/5/2022 Thanks for your email. Iam responding.m that you have --at, information. The PW Department did not
d,liv,ra report to Council and base their recommendations on the wort: m the NGF study. In fact, Council charged
Dear Council M,mb,rs,l understand that the PubilcWorks Dept. has delivered a report w the staff with having a rob- com mutiny conversation about the Goif Course than, happening fight now. The City
Council that makes recommendations regarding the future of the golf course and that their offlciaily i,qu,ned David Heine W analyze the NGF report and the golf course and give us an assessment. David's
Hei_htis based solely on the NGF report and does not m—poate theealuat,-of David will be part of the whole conversation. In addition, we currently havean opeationai contrac[forthe
ner.Thsmakesabmiutely no senre, since David Hein was hired indirectly by the City to Gosif Courre that i, effective through December 2023 and as l m ht—dearlier, we are m the midst of planning
provide a recond evaluation regarding the future of the golf course. l apologize if lam mistaken for the future, both for the Goif Course and Mountain View Commons. W, will add yourcO—hts to the
about this, but otherwise, please seethkit ar,fui co—d—t—i, given W David Heine's report. planningprocess. In the meantime,please—,tit'hi,w,bpage for otherways you an stay involved m the
n'. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and Mountain View Commons I City of Po A T-11rid
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tyofpt—), Thanks again tar taking the time w send your comments.
12/5/2022 Mail
Pieare considerthis Requert regardingthe Report of the Department of Pubilc W arks that I
understand is being submitted to the City Council today. Specifically, I'm told that David Heine, a
n,uitanton the Port Townrend Gait Course, has com pi,ted, oris wori:ing b”a supplement m
the Report by NGF which i, part of the Pubilc W oris Report. I have not seen Mr. Hein,'s report,
but understand t adds„re,theissue ofth, NGF cartestimate tarrecommended
improvementsto the golf course. I further understand that those who oppose continuing the
operation of the golf course, as a golf --, have argued that the NGF cart e,h— support,
their position that the Eoif course should tic[ be continued in op—t-t by the City as such
operation would be too tartly. However, the NGF tort --te should be considered by the
Council as substantially irrelevant, as rtis bared upon inaccuate assumptions as to what
"improvements” are needed tar continued op,ation of the gait course. it i, hoped that Mr.
Heine', report will explain W the City Council by there carts should not be incurred, rr [h "y rr*
in fact appropriate or necessary. it ivir. I'l,in,'s supplemental report effectively addresses the
e, believe the City Council should have and consider that information before it proceeds
with d,hb,ation, on the issues of "repurposingthe gait course property and continued
operation of the gait--.
Seveaicomment, talk about benefit for the whale community. Every exeaire/,part venue i, a
benefit to community offering you a place to exerts, or,njoy a sport and the amaaderfe that
It
brings. The golf course iso sport court just like football, baseball, --,, picki,baii court, or
fields. The golf course Tsai , a benefit t, community by giving thousands of dollars from their
to loci groups and chanties like Klwani,, Ehody Festival, Elks Club, High Schaal
Eivai, a`thi,tic progam,, Jefferson County little teagu,, Sunrise Rotary Club, etc. The city should
give the gait Doors, a commendation tar many ears of givingm the community and the Health
and W,iin,s, Center should ,ncouage all exerts,/sport groups w add a community benefit of
fund ii, hg. Eepurpo,ingthe holt course would be a disservice w the —unity'I hope the
ci astir, city council and t 1,hoiders will do their due diligence and read everything on the holt
website savepthoifcom so they are aware of ail the benefits and see the current purpose
is as it should be benefiting the whale community.
Thanks for your email and latest, the City Council, The CFP that wa s adopted by the Council on Monday night i,
alive document that we will continue to update as needed. The City Council will have the opportunity W adopt it
every 1-2 years during the budget adoption. The City Council charged tkff with having a robust community
n about the Gait Course that i, happening fight naw. The City offlciaily i,qu,rted David Heine W
analyze the NGF report and the golf course and give us an assessor ent. David',assess —will be part of the
whale conversation. In addition, we currently have an opeationai contract for the Gait Courre that i, effective
through December 2023 and as I mentioned earlier, we are in the midst of planning for the future, bath for the
Gait Courre and Mountain View Commons. W, will add your --t, to the planning process. In the
ni e, plea se visit this w,bpagefor other ways you can rhyinvoiv,d in the conversation. Envision Port
Townsend Goif Courre and Mountain View Commons I City of Port Townsend Washington h,ayofptu,J. Thank,
again for taking the time w send your comment,.
Thank, for your comment, to the City Council Nanry. I will add them to the comment log.
12/8/2022
Could Port Townsend benefit from an environmental education renter I-- ata Solt 1-11?
W Quid an environmental nonprofit be able to ertabiish a facility Mat could daw visitors from out
163 of town for special events and wort:shops, while providing a rich Teaming-perienceand acres Thanks for yourinput about the golf course. I have added it m our comment log that the Council will reviewin
W lovely grounds restored with native plants.I—, would need to com e from classes, making any decision, about the land. Thanks so much,
worb,hops, special events, donations and gams. This would be -h- bit different tar aur
and it could be pretty wonderful. This might be a better option than mare arts activities,
given the efforts W expand art activities at Ft. W olden.
164 I distinctly reoli putting thought and effort in responding to a questionnaire about what to do
with the golf course property. Myren and friends who aim responded wander what happened to
our input. Did it make any difference, did anyone read 1? It makes me wonder about the
unity commentary process.
12/12/2022 As hoe been previously Dtld, while we envision the Portiownsend Golf Course and the
Mountain View Comm one we mart remember the green open Space i, irreplaceable. Mountain
View Common, i, ideally placed for the Port Townsend Heaithieriogether Community Heaith
with
and W eliness Center. The golf course should not be used tar housing; no house, no apartments,
no performing a rt, center The Evans Virta Housing Developm ent is well situated pians for
100.150—kfi, housing unit,, envisioning a lively community asret. Madrona Ridge
165 Subdivision i, a pproved tar 167 homes Equitable and inclusive housingis dirtributed throughout
Portiownrend including Admiaity Apt,, Bishop P-Apts, Claridge Court Apts, Discovery View
Apts, Hancock St Apt,, Kearney St Apts, laurel Heights Apt,, Marine View Apt,, and San Juan
Commons among others.eulidozers a re —mgim provement, tar opacity at the Casweli-Brawn
Village. Qty zoning and code amendments are being considered tar revision at this rime. Thi, is
not the timeW orve up Me green open space of the P -Townsend golf course.
Thanks so much for your comments. I have put Mem in aurongoing log for review by Me Qty Council. Yes, there
a lot of public --t that was ,pt—d a few years ago as part of the Pads, Recreation, a rid Open Space
Planning process It was b-- of this input the Council decided to dive dawn deeper into this process. To this
end, Me city hired a landscape architect W start wading on aitemative concepts that iswading-th aur
community. Thanks again for your input.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiownsend Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have a n opeationai contact for the Goif Courre that i, effective through
December 2023 and we are in the midst of pianningtor the future, bath for the Gait Course and Mountain View
Commons. We ll wiadd your com merits m theplanning process for consvdeation. In the meantime, please visit
this webpa ge for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons I Qty of Port Townsend Washington (cityofptus). Thanks -m for taking the time W
send your --t,
12/16/2022 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiownsend Gait Course and
Mountain View Common,. We have a n opeationai contact for the Goif Courre that i, effective through
December 2023 and we are in the midst of pianningtor the future, bath for the Gait Course and Mountain View
166 Common,. We will add your com merits m theplanning process for consvdeation. In the meantime, please ,,it
am born and ai,ed in port Tb --d sense 1983. My first job was at the port Tb --d golf this —bp for other ways you can stayinvoived in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courreand
course bertIob lever had.l Mink it would be a huge tagedy m ciore or down sizea step in the Mountain View Common, I Qty of Port Townsend Washington(cityofptus). Thanks a gain for taking thetime to
.—I, direction torose comm unity end your comments.
12/16/2022 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P-T.1send Gait Course and
Mountain View Common,. We have a n opeationai contact for the Goif Courre that i, effective through
Decem bel 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the future, bath for the Gait Course and Mountain View
t s has been documented the Port T-11nd Goif Course has a—jorib—,—ibackgro-In Common,. We will add you—tents m the planning process for consvdeation. J art soyouareaware, the
1854 the Superintendent of Indian Affairs recognized Cheech-M aID, m as chief of the S' K10—S"KIWI— is represented on our rtakehoider group. In the meantime, plea se visit this webpage for other ways you
robe a rid held him —p—W, for the "good behav-bf hi, people. At Point NO Point, in 1855, rtay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Townrend Goif Course and Mountain View Common, Qty of
Chief Cheech-Ma-H am sieved a treaty giving up ail SKialiam is rid in exchange for retaining the Port T.1111d Washington(cityofptus). Thanks again for taking the time to send yourcomments.
rights m fish, hunt and Sather in the S' Kiailam usual and accustomed areas. Such treaties, pushed
by Governor Ioa c Stevensand largely mimndersmod by the I ndians, provoked th Indian Wars in
1855-56. During these wars, a number of S' Kiailam held a secret meenngto decide whether or
16J to kill the whites in Port Townsend. The S' Kiailam delibeated tar nine days, during which
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their purpose. Cheech-Ma-Ham was considered a hero by the white population, and from Mat
paint on was, —,W—d by them. A bronze plaque was eventually placed on the rack he
signaled from, arida pari: in Port Town send bears Me— e Chet —ka. Signai R ask and bronze
plaque(and statue) are m gateway to the Port To--dgolf course. believert would be fitting
and proper W invite Me Jam--S'MMI— trebe on what course should be undertaken and
what shared vision they might have tar Me land that i, Meir taditionai terzitory.
--g—gt.sp,,daintbfm.n,y ori a halm a nd.eiin...... r W get us an outside Thank, f.rl'our,.mment,—, I have melted mem .n bur comment log.
sing m why would you take away golf,.urm where many people are outside exertsing
and through to rite giving thbuande of dollars to maigr p, a rid charities" Thehieh can
is n. longer a , nd ail you need ie a pro like Mike Early. Th, ,.urre ie doing exactly what
you want so why not use it as an example tar health and wellness especially tar bur34%senior
population?
Heim - My husband and I believe the number ane priority tar aur community ie infill h.usingf,,
lowerand middle income people.
.1 are a developed, urban community -and have the
infiartruc[ure available m support mare housing. W e believe the 58 acres,urrentiy used forth,
golf c.urre should be publicly developed as community based housing -focusing on middle, low
in me housing-in,.mbinati.n with public tails and extensive paths habitat
rest.ati.n. An
aquatic complex could be developed ae part bf this if the community wants t. finance that. Our
community funded a $2 8 million dollars elementary school in ,.,, W,
imagine with a clear
purpose a rid vision -that th,,.mmunity would overwhelmingly fund a prbje like this. Davie, CA
and many other communities are rtrvggiing with there housing affordability issues and taming
up with innovative s.lunbne. https'J/www.palomin.pia,edavieatom/4titl, .,ths,dl averview-2.
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linking P.li- Housing Pathe rert.ati.n, Pubilc tails, and A111tice,.mplex. A winning
c.mbinati.n bf prbjeRs. The loci golf c.uae'e time has o- be tansfo'—d int.
mething mare apprbprtate far burtimes-and forth, future.f bur,.mmunity. Discovery Bay
"s lovely course thane notfa,hf, town-nd ie affordable. I'm sure they. -Id be.penm
partnering with PF br County Parise and Rec W subsidae talks who cannot afford their tees -and
develop affordable pr.game
Thank you so -h for yourinput for this -unity discussion about the P. Tb.neend Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have a n opeationai contact for the Gbif Cburre that ie effective through
December 2023 and we arein the midst bf pianningf.r the future, bath for the Gait Course and Mountain View
Commons. We will add your,.m merits m the planning process f.r,.nsvd,ati.n. Inth,meantime,pieasevisit
this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in the c.nvenati.n. Envision Port Town send Gbif Cburre and
Mountain View Commons City bf Port Townsend Washington (,ityofptue). Thank, again for taking the time to
send your,.m mems.
12/17/2022
Thank you s. -h for your input for thie,.m munity discussion about the P. Tb.neend Gbit Course and
We have Fbrest S,humer and Fred Sharps -paths rermaflbn experts-reght herin PFilThey an
Mountain View Cbmm.ne. We have an bpeatibnai...tact for the G.if Cburre that is effective through
lead the re1,ati.nefftrte-and get youth butsidew.ri:ingt. rert.re thi, chituai and
December 2023and we are in the midstbfpianningf.rthefuture, both forth, G. it Cbuae and M ountain View
ntaineasure. Imagine what an i,t,,g...atibnai,bmmunity effort this. -Id bel
Cbmm.ne. We will add your cath mgrs m the planning process for c.nsvd,at,-. In the meantime, pieasevisit
Famdl,,..uid be involved and talking abbot it for g...atibns. Th,should be a publicly funded
this webpage for bth,r waysyou, an stay involved in the c.nverati.n. Envision Port T—,,,,d Gbit Cburre and
and directed eff.rt.https//gibbalearthrepairfbundatibn.brg/fares[-shbmer+iativeseed, and-
Mountain Vie. Cbmmbns City bf 1-T,. end Waehingmn(,ityofptue). Thank, again for taking the time tb
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endyour comments.
12/17/2022
Thank you s. much for yourihp. forthie,.m munity discussion abbot the P. Tb.neend Gbif Cbuae and
Mountain Vie. Cbmm.ne. We have an.peati.nai... tact for the G.if Cburse that ie effective through
Decem be, 2023 and .e are in the midst bf pianningf.rth, future, bath for the Gbit Course and Mountain View
Cbm t... We will add your,.mm,rite m the planning process forc.nsvd,at,-. In the meantime, please visit
this webpage for bth,r waysyou, an stay involved in the c.nvenati.n. Envision Port Tb.neend Gbit Cburse and
Mountain View Cbmm.ns City bf Port T..neend Washington (,ityofptue). Thank, again for taking the Nine t.
I .bold like the PF golf course remain a golf c.urre.
send your cath m ,rite.
12/18/2022
Thanks for your comments. I have melted them .n bur comment log.
don't play golf s. why should I are if .e keep the golf course, don't swim s. why should are
abbot havinga swimming pool, I don't play picklebah s. why should I are if there are mare
s, don't eat aim.n s. why should care rf they disappear, don't are abbot trees s. why
should are rfth, din forest diappears, don't a re about Port T,. 1ehd because I want itW
be like Seattle. Y.0 care abbot there things beause they are..rthy t. be cared abbot and
beaus, they are impbrta nt m others. Y.0 support keeping them beause they bring joy, beauty
and health m .th,rs.
12/18/2022 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P-Tb.ns,nd Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. W, have anop,ationai comas[ for the Gbif Cburm that is effective through
Helloagain-W,'d like toailo111uage our community to really be IMAGINATIVE aswe D,c,mber 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the future, both for the Golf Course and Mountain View
nsid,raitemativ,s for this land. One oth,rexampi,oto " developmentthat incorpoates Commons. W, will addyburcom--t,th,planningprbcess fors—dation. loth, meantime, pi,as,visit
eocoibgiai, perznacuiture,and r,rtbativ,design is Viliage Homesin Davis, CA. This isana—I, this webpage toroth,, ways you can stayi-bl—in th, con —tion. Envision Port Town send Gbif Cburm and
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servo n bf indigenous cultures, tar widely and freely available pubilc spaces, toran ethic bf
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2 Before we mbvedmtbwn in July 2001,Portiownsend hada railer skating rink arida bowling Thank you so much toryourinput torthis community discussion aboutthe Portibwnsend Goif Course and
alley. Both of them were gon,by th, t—.,ail—d here. The golf co—, is one of th, few Mountain View Commons. We have an opeationai contrac[forthe Goif Cburm that is effective through
re anal bpportunRiesthat people have in town. It isan open space with wiidirfe.l res December2023 and wear, in the midst of pianningfor th,future, both forth, Goif Cburseand Mountain View
74 coyotes,geese,ducks, and many species of sing birds often when l— out there playing. The golf Commons. W, will add your comments m the planningprbcess for consvd—t—, In the meantime, please t
coursehasM,high school team, a rid l often see families and kidsat th, dining ii,- on th, this webpage for other waysyou canstay-n,'1,d intheconversation. Envision Portibwnsend GbitCburmand
cause. Pi isvery fn,ndiy m the Pckiebailers(I—one), why aren't we as friendly tb th, golf Mountain View Cbmmbns l Gty bf Portiownsend Washington(citybfptus).Thanksagain!.staking th, timeW
course. snot the bert course in the worid, but we love hand itis burs)Please keep the golf sendyburco—,ts.
12/22/2022 1 hav,eon, tallow up question abbot timing bf input for the envisioning process. Can you ,rti—,
175 when pubiicinput.,Ilerid' I see you a replanning tb .ori: with Cbuncii on adbcisvonsp' z W, will be tannin .,th oils thrbuhMa 2023. Pi—,
2023, —10,1119 with a small group of citizens -arida— e ham e for decision making would p gwit pu g y, you have addinbnai quertions.
be helpful ). Thanksso much.
12/24/2022 Thank you so much toryourinput torthis community discussion ab-tth, P-Tb.ns,nd Gbit Cb—,and
Mountain View Cbmmbns. We have anopeationai contrac[forthe Goif Cousin that is effective through
The golf Pi course isan open green space thatm,I,,th, San Juan Bailey attac[iv, tb urers bf December 2023 and we are in th,mdst bf pianningforthefuture, both for th, Go it C-11and Mountain View
the space and wnonvsersa ike.Th,r,isan hirtbriai'alu, tb the space that will be d,snoy,d If C --W, will add yourcom m sots m the planning process forconsvd,ation. In the meantime, please visit
mid W private developers. It is one of th, few remaining parts bf th, town that has not been this.,bpage for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Portibwnsend Gbit Cousin and
de11loped(beyond beluga gol�course—th,r, isan-portant.,tiandthat atter- �anety Mountain View Cbmmbns l City bfP-T,.,s,nd Washington(cityofptus).Thanksagain fortakingthetimetb
bf wiid"fl.D,v,ibpingth, space will d,rtrby.ne at the things that makes Port T, --d so sendyourcbmments.
special. Pbrt T, --d residents appreciate the a,.h,t— bf the town and selling th, space tb
developers will only be beneficial tb the very few who nand W profit ftbm the venture. Keep Part
Townsend special. Don't make it look like any other small city in the country. It Matis what you
e there and let Pbrt T, --d retain its unique chaos -
12/27/2022 err 1by the gall sousin woul0 prbvihe th, p1lb- opportunity W open 1`- Thank you so much for yourinput for this coin moony discussion about th, P-Tb.ns,nd Gbif Cburse and
Townsend tbed,v,ib__foraffordablehousing.Apartments, condbs,apari:inggaage, br large Mountain View Cbmmbns. We havean bpeatibnai contrac[forthe Goif Cousin that is effective through
hotel. -Id greatly benefit th, )aeric —yas well as provide much needed housing. Stifling December 2023 and we are in th,mdst bf pianningforthefutur,, both for th, Gbit Cburse and Mountain View
development is a failed erg-da.W, are ai—dy suffering ftbm tab many people, not enough Cbmmbns. W, .,Ii add vour --t, orbcess forconsvd,anon. In the meantime.lease visit
12/27/2022 long. Itis insane m m e how defensive people are of a golf course that, One, Brings in barely any Thank you so much for yourinpbt for this community discussion a bout the PO T—In,end Goif Course and
and in fact i, actively losing money. Two, hardly has people using it. Three, doesn't allow M Ountain View Commons. We have a n opeationai contact for the Goif Co that i, effective through
firregular ped -e-, m walk through IT after dart: and -t Four, i, a huge piece December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the future, both for the Goif Course and Mountain View
of is nd Trio cen-1—dl0at that could beu -d fit, h0u,ingina town the d11PI-Ily needs Commons. We will add your com mems m the planning process for c0nsvde h-, In the meantime, please t
housing. leave part of the course, keep the pond area and createa lovely pari: that everyone can this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Townsend Goif PC and
enjoy. Even jolt create a smaller pari: witha driving—A,. Dreven for thel0ve of goda minigolf Mountain View Commons)Gty of P0rti0wnsend Washington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagain for taking the time to
pari:,atI,-then tt would actually make money, eut l don't know of a ny land that could send your=,at,,
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reliable sidewalks and bike lanes for th6re where walking a rid bikingi, their main made of
nspi,,Dh n. Part of the green space could easily accommodate a iwelylooking a partment
178 building that could house pe0pi, who could add vn,a and energy to this wonderful
unity. I get it, losing at least part of a green space in town would be difficult. eut this town
has to start thinking pactiaily If we want m have reliable healthcare, restauant, and retail
aithk , Dghtn wail those areas are hem6rzhaging.-ttakea walk downtown a rid you'll ree
fieip wanted' s,gn,iin every other store. And ye; everyone reams to wander by no ane i,
taking them up on the offer. Why are there such long wait times1 Why i, food so much mare
-pens 0Why i, my favorite(lures[place) naw closed mare often? The simple a nsweri, no
o w kIt. Why should anyone want to com mute , far for a job that will barely cover
-t 10r rent? Far a job that will hardly cover the gas to get here? Already rt see ms, that
rt bfthe w0ri:ers intown commutebath here and back, Partes Io,k, Parti iow, Sequim,
PartAngeles-even Silverdale. Don't even get me Da -thb,e that rely -the Ferry t0 get
here. Itis absolutely ridiculous and an0ci that thb,e that wort: here, can't live here. And the
s `Dh well, when 1 was YOUR age" attitude t0 that fact a rt0und, me. Did aur recent storms
and snow not remind us no. this town would completely shutdbw without minimum wage
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fav en't exllk the 9.1 commentpenbe 1Inota A,I Iso wentto putmybiasright,,
front2l think the golf course shaultl be repuppasetl_ As I untlerstantl, the proportion of Alsi
That a,W ally use it naw is quite small, consitleung haw much )antl S taken up by the golf
sa3_ untlbetand that the gdf course property campuses 56 acres, plenty of roam to
h ou"m.data multiple uses_ 4 Everyone is aware that increasing the amount of affoIdea.
ng is of paramount importance far economic and humanitanan reasons in the Part
Townsend area_ We've M kAd enough about the issu a_ It's time W take actionl5. One idea waultl
be Wtletlicatetl around 80 % of the property (-46 acres) W various recreational uses, while the
anta i18 % (-10 acres) w 1d be tletlicatetl W affaNab. housing6 The housing coultl be
ocatetl al and the penphery_ An ideal spot waultl be nearthe intersection of San Juan and F
Streets_ There already S same dAvelopment at the comer that e not part of the golf course
property 7 There are many other passible locations, as the course e be,nderl v four mein
streets_ the afarementionetl two an, Gherzy and Bleinaa 10 acre piece of land coultl
motlate at least 150 c1,,dyspai small smg, family houses with a little space far
mundy facilities_ The houses waultl be mare affordable, if they w,,Id be townhouses or )ow-
e apartments and it makes sense W dedicate a large portion of the 10 acres W that kind of
dw dopment That waultl s,gndicantly increase the number Overall housing units an phase 10
and really we, d really boast the quantity of aff,eable housing in this city 9 So why locate
housing at the gdf course property?a_ The golf course e awned by the Gdy There would be no
land cast which e typically 1/3rtl of the development cast Sa cast sa,,ng_b. There iso lot bf
acreage and not ail 0f rt needs m be used for recreational purp0,e,.c. The golf course i,
unded by main streets, which pr66abiy have major utilities in place. (cart) d. Depending 6n
the location bf the housing, the site could have goad tan,it acce,,.e. Depending ,, the housing
10an6n, there could be reasonable access t, Imre, and services. f Depending- the housing
10an6n, there could be excellent access t0 middle and high ,drool,. g. Great access m
recreational facilities. , ) I hope this an—make rt into the record. Thanks.
Sn oared a rid putihtn the public record. For future reference, we will be taking com merit thr0ugh0ut the planning
process through June, and the com merit ad can be found online under the GC and MOunhin View planning
page. You an AT t0 IT by going to the home page 0f the Qty's site, and clicking- the big button in the upper
right `blue/white logo'. This will take you t0 the GC page and you can bath find the com merit ad, and the
com merit log. Thanks s0 much for your com merits.
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Prejudice -The city continues to prejudice the community against golf course even in their
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crying it was community's desiretb explore different uses for golf
course. That community was the city council afterthey paid $20,000 tar someone in Florida to
assess golf course. Thereport seem Wsuggert we wanted Pebble Beach. We the actual
co unity do not. Goiters like the"lubhourn and trees and rocks the report -d
ving. The high cart had aver $50,000 fornee and rack removal and suggested replacing
-rrigation y— and all equipment. No anewould dothat. Hencethe description
iidiculous' forthe report tar by everyone who knows anything about the golf c--Please do
not be prejudiced by this report. A new ane is taming. Also nate the golf"ourse with goad
-agement pays for rtrnif and pays rent to the city and through Search 1/3/23, 9'.56 AM
Submission 4146 1 Qty bf Port low-rend Washingtan
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U-king Polity I tournaments gives thbua-ds bf dollars t, local groups and chanties. Alm the
11 ring tram three covid years like everyone and eve &,hg. Aisa since that report m
2019 the city and the Players Club have done a lot bf w- needed. The city does-ot ha"
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spend much If ahl thing for the golf course but they could be spendinga great deal on the Health
andWellness center and building other sport venues. Thecity just authbrized 1175,101 fora
om pa -y W figure out the Health and Wellness center building design so they a- hire someone
to give cart e,-at' on building it. Do we really think they-
hey will also build all the things you ask
ford The goa l bf the He a ith a rid Wellnes.... ris W get people outside and exertsihg. We
should let them know there is a golf course across the meet that gets people of all ages outside
rcising while giving thbua-ds bf dollars W community. It should be their mascot. we already
have mare health and wellness pac[ifloners per apita than mart places. It you would like the
city to know you really would like them to fix the streets instead you an email the council at
pubiiccom m Brit® "itybf pt us
wage treatment, garbage collection, decent housing and infar[ruc[ure maintenance, as
weilea, police, Hre and medial rervices. It would be nice to have a golf course, a swimming pool,
a rackclimbing wall and any number bf other things...-Id collectively dream up. Our
mergen"y Hre and medial services are sorely underfunded and we ah't afford m pave or even
adequately maintain bur meets. Sb we need wspend buriimrted remuaes bn necessities. One
bf the -eedsthat is arely appreciated is the need for relatively wild bpen space. Search 1/3/23,
9'.55 AM Submission 4148 1 City bf Part Taw-send Washington
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Webmail Employee li-king Polity I Whether it isa city pari: brjurt undeveloped land, these
spaces improve air and water quality, nurture wiidirfe and enrich aur mental and physiai health
ways that are hard W quantify, butare nevertheless thoroughly researched and well
dbcumemed. Every loss bf bpen space isa loss in quality bf lite. Sb the quertibn is, haw db we
preserve the benefits bf the golf course property while spending the least amount bf money bn
its Since playing golf is discretionary, and since a relatively small -umber of us um the golf"ourse
for holt, and since having golf balls flying around makes it unafe fora-yon, not playing golf tb
use theproperty, the only fair way wallow this W continue is whave those using the golf "burse
pay every cent bf what it carts tb upgade and maintain that property. Sb newihfi--'tore,
including a-irrigation ryrt— as well as all watering, mowing and other maintenance should be
done at the expense of goiters. To ask the ren bf the citizens bf Portiow-send m pay for the
luxury entertainment ata few isinequitabie. It the goiters are unwiili-gW db that then the
property shbuid be left as is —rib development, -o mowing, -o watering, -o maintenance of any
kind, except keeping the perimeter vegetation from en"rba"hmgintb other a seas, like pubilc
sidewalks br adjacent private property. Even rfit eventually bee a 59 acre blackberry patch, rt
would stili benefit us all m ways that are vastly mperibrW any kind bf development. The part a-d
present members bf bur Qty Cbun"ii, bur Qty Managers and aur loci b—mesrns have long
pushed W develop Pbrt Townsend m suit theiridea, bf what bur tow- shbuid look like arta
increase the m""ess bf their personal business intererts, br bath. Just because it wbuid be nice tb
1. Water supply has became a c-,tah,t for many golf c--, m the Wert. I- the SF Bay Area,
any courses are required W um recycled water. Given the proximity bf the city's P—, that
shbuid be part bf the future plan. It wbuid also reduce-utrient relearns m Puget Sound, which is
amajor polity emphasis bf Ecology and also may be a source of fu-ding. 2. Given the small
t bf the city's capital reserves, reducing them by spendinga million dollars will be
elevating this issue tb the tap of the city's priority list. It wbuid be a useful exertse for the
cbm-ttee W ba-t— five other similar apital needs
I have added your comments to the record. Thank you.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this tom mu-ity discussion about the P-Tbw-send Galt Course and
Mountain View Commons.We have an opeationai contract for the Gbit Cburre that is effective through
December 2023 and we are in the midst bf pia--ing for the future,bath for the Gait Cb—, and Mountain View
Cbmmbns. We will add your comments m the pia--ing process for"onsvdeah— I - the mea -time, please visit
this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in the"o —anon. Envision Port lbw- send Gbit Cburre and
MountainView C --I Qty bf P -lbw -send Washington ("ityofptus). Thanks again for talo -g the time tb
send your --t"
Thank you so much for yourinput for this cbm mu-ity discussion abbot the P-Tbw-send Gbit Cb—, and
Mountain View Cb --We have a-opeah-ai contact for the Gbit Cburre that is effective through
December 2023 and we are in the midst bf pia--ing for the future, bath for the Gbit Cburse and Mountain View
Cbmmbns. We will add your --t, the pia--ing process for c-,,d,at,-. I - the mea -time, please visit
this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in the"o —anon. Envision Pbrt lbw- send Gbit Cburre and
Mountain View C --I Qty bf P- lbw -send washington (cityofptus). Thanks again for talo -g the time tb
send your cbm merits.
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%,W, think the d,,,,,on ab— th, g.ff course has M—dy been —. Th, answer..
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ft, repurposing with Mt. 11— It lba, nothing w db -h bth,,'th- being
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alternate -p— f,, the golf course j- a, there.. alternate -p— f,, the
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theprojeR f,, the city F,fth, the city h—d a la hd—p, architect and golf
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Mountain 'i— Cb-- have — - at—1 —t— f,, the Gliff C- that , effective through
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Mount—View Cb-- W, h— - op—ho-i contact to, the Gliff C- that through gh
Kurt ,t...d , the D-20, 2022 S-1,01,11 meeting Ild— I was pleased W ...that '0111t
Dec— b" 023 — — —:nth, --of foth,Tu:ne,bothfo, the Gliff C- d MountainVi—
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also POIlt out thatthe Po,of PF b� 1— 1 flooding at the -- this .-k, so It .-Id be a
—d your comments.
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The golf courre is one of the oid-in Washington nate, Goiters have played there formbre Man
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a hundred years. W by is it less worthy of ve-.ration and preservation than City Haig It should be
n theregistry of h, --places. Promotion of the golf --, could and should —p-- its
hist-, nature.
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An effort should be undertaken to make the maintenance of Me golf course environmentally
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benign. Any use of peni'ides and herbicides should be mi -untied at lea rt, -th zero use the
ultimate goal. Ell nation of poison hemlock, scotch broom, and otherinvasive species should be
Pursued. Envision loci, regional, and wider promotion of the golf courre as environm .-tally
conscious, historic, beautifully maintained, welcoming and fne-diy.
1/4/2023
Th: -k you so much for yourinput for this cot tunny discussion about the Portio. -send Gait Course and
--- Commons. We have an operation:i—t— for the Gbit Courre that is effective through
You a,dm,, the citizensand taxpayers of Port lbw -send, paid but of town"expert,"tar
December 2023 and we are i- themidst of planning for the future, both for the Gbit Course : -d Mou-tai-View
t of the golf course. They ate back with an er 1—tt,--da million
Comma -s. We will add your cot tents m the planning process for'o-svde-tio-.l- the meantime, please visit
bucks tbsm:kethe'ourse viable. That ertlm:te has been used W discouage
this.ebp: ge for other ways you ca -stay involved i - the con —tion. Envision P- Tb— send Gbit Courre and
nsideation tar keeping Me ,burse open and ope-ting.
Mountain View Cbmmbns l Gty of Pbrt lbw -send Washington ('ityofptus). Th -k, -,n forsaking the time W
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lncai goifersl'veL'It'd with dispute the ertimate, believing it w: s bared ona level of
send your cot tents.
upgrades Matthey dbn't ,, as required, even i- same regards desiabie.
An exempie. irrigation of the fairways, by far the bulk of Me total area of the course, im't
s apriority. The greens are the only areas o- the'ourre that really require regular
-'g:tio-. Loai goiters are:"ustmed tb fairways drying but and --g
summer, and have -o problem with it.
1/4/2023
Th: -k you so much for yourinput for this cot tunny discussion abbot the Portio. -send Gbit Course and
Mountain View Cb --We have a-opeatio-:i—t— for the Gbit Courre that is effective through
know that my gra-dso-and son .bold love tb came here and play golf and I'ouid walk along or
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en play tool lbelieve Mat bur golf course isa beautiful, special place for people of ALL ages W
Cbmmbns. We will add your'omme-ts to the planning process for consvde-tio-. l- the meantime, pie:sevisit
enjoy being outside,b:v fu -:-d gettm%—, exertse ina ate pI—.l hopeth:t h golf
this.ebp: ge for other ways you ca -stay involved i -the con —tion. Envision P -ib. -send Gbit Course and
'o .iii remain for loafs W enjoy. As la gel reairzeth:t being outside doing mm ethingfun is
Mountain View C-1 l Gty of P- --W:sbi-gtb-('ityofptus). Th-k,a gain forsaking the timeW
essential for th" -g. Thank you
sendyour comments.
1/5/2023 Cou-'ii
Th: -k you so much foryourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Gait Cburse and
Mountain Vie. Cbmmbns. We have an opeationai—t— for the Gbit Courre that is effective through
PLEASE ave Me golf course and rebuild the pool o- Me bid shell l We don't need more dubious
December 2023:-d weave in the midst of pianningfor thefuture, both for the Go it Cburse and Mountain View
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pensive prbje-t get comp pat
and ex hat don't leted. Fix the holes inrteadl
Cbmmbns. We:,add your cot m e-ts to the planning process for consvde-tio-. l- the meantime, please visit
this.ebp:ge for other ways you ca- stay involved m the'onveration. Envision Pbrt ib. -send Gbit Course and
Mountain View Cbmmbns I Gty of Pbrt ib. -send Washington (cityofptus). Th -k, -m forsaking the time W
end your comments.
1/5/2023 Cbuncii
Th: -k you so much tbryourinput tbrthis cot tunny discussion abbutthe Portio. -send Gbit Cb—e-d
and N—yErreca's sentiments mthe PTLeoder reg-mgthe PT Gbit Cburse. It already
Mountain Vie.Commb-s. Weh:ve:-opeatio-:i'ontractforthe Goif Courreth:t is effec—th—gh
ellltl buNbbr/exertse opportunity for a-yo-e.hb wishes. Any small
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mprovem.tits/taint.-:-ce expenses have tb be a m ere h,"" bt.hat even cot missibni-ga
Cbmmbns. WeMH add your comm.tits to the pian-mgprocess for cbnsvdeat— l - the mea -tit e, please visit
development PI -.-Id be4hbse funds a- surely be put tb ore-soma-y.:ystb improve
this.ebp:ge forotherw:ysyou ca- stay involved m the'onveration. Envision Pbrt ib. -send Gbit Course and
and betterth,—t unity. tet sleeping dogs lie.
Mountain View Cbmmbns Gty of Pbrtib.-send Washington(cityofptus). Th -k, a gain forsaking the tit eta
send Y_camme-ts.
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1/6/2023 —1 I have been a resident of Port Townsend since the 70's. Things for the most part Thank yov ,o much fury—,n tforth,, commvmty d--- ab— th, P-T—.ead Golf C—,, —
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alwayssed"to run along smoothly and with the support of those that lived here. Mnv"ram view Commons. we navean npeatmnai cnnaa,t tonne Gnlf cnvrre than, each,,, through
Since the large influx of peoplewho have moved here along with that D... mb,2023 and we are,nthe mmsr of plamm�gfnrthefvmre, beth forthe Coif Cnvrseand Mnuntam view
expanson has mededs making by City employee and without us they cn,mnn,. we wni add ynvrcomment, m the plamm�gpmoes, fnd--, m the meantime, plea,em,a
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focussed on more expansion and to things tm,webpage fnrntnerway, you can.mymvmvedmthe cnnversatmn.—„,-P-Tnwn.end Coif come and
scary instead of maintenance to what already exists. Stop making Mountain View Commons)Gty of Port Townsend Washington lcityofprusJ. Thanksagain fortakingtheti—to
unnece,end ynvr comment,.
decisions for us and spending our money and instead listen to what the masses
aresaying. Repair the streets/roads come on they are at this point dangerous. I
would like all of you to drive to the entrance to Port Townsend sign at the stop
light/Mill Rd and tum right then attempt to turn left to head south on Discovery
Bay Rd. The intersection which is now very busy looks like a minefield and
desperately needs to be repaired. Those of us who have to use this intersection
regularly are tearing up our tires and suspension. That $175,000 just spent for a
company to figure out the health and wellness center building design is a reckless
way to spend "our” money when the concept is just another luxury item instead of
the money being spent to support the viability of our town and fix what is already
here. Do whatever it takes to fix the pool, it's location is just fine and leave the
Golf Course alone the more you seem to endeavor changing the less charm you
me here because of will disappear and then it will just look like any other
generic town. I loved the Opinion in the Leader this week by Nancy Erreca, it
was very well written and my exact sentiments.
1/6/2023 email k ��� '.x.�. �._�.. 11 ".bel 1'.I.!!: 4L Thank you so much fort'—,r tforth,, tacocounty d---abouttheP-T—.end Golf Coarsened
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this i, an update. I am rendingtI ,,to city officials and Engage Port Townrend. I --1Y believe
that city pari:, should be accessible yet have a rale in maintaining open space and natuai
habitat. They also offe.an edu,tionai opportunity m emphasize the values of open space and
uai habitat My hope is that the golf course becomesa more accessible, m ore natuai, open
lantd„pe, with native plant communities, and that there i, no hard surface or other hard
development. Itshi,mry as part of the lowland between Townsend Bay and North Beach with
wetlands, and it, use by indigenous peoples, should be delibeately included
throughsignage and landsape plans. The golf course i, beneficial as de facto open space and a
whera lanai opportunity, but fora limited population. It i,a highly modified unnatuai landsape
e non-native plants like Himalayan blackberry, English holly and English laurel are naw
including native Douglas fir and non+iat- 1—ad poplar form artificial rows,
and ntensvveemaintenance and __"inputs like irrigation are--- Instead, I hope to see
ria rve plant communities in a natuai landsape, managed as habitat it, birds and other wiidiffe
as appropriate, completely or largely replace the golf course. Kah Tai Pame and the wetland
ort be preserved and should be expanded. Law impact walking tails should be created W
welcome and intra,, access by the greater community beyond golfers. If the area becomesa
—ed — pari:, including— farm of golf those ores should occur on a minority portion of the
nt golf course area and should have limned impact on the majority portion natuai
landsape and the environment Increased access and mixed use are plausible but should
ompiement the natuai landsape and not came at it, ekpenre. If — farm of golf i, included,
andrecognize the golf course isimportant to mm e,ad—ate, a re --aged t, reach outW
the pubic with ideas and be open W compromise. The economics are challenging but with
c tivity a solution should be achievable. For background Hive with my family including our 6th
gad, child, three blocks fi-om the golf course. The golf course i, between home and my
daughters school i,, but the golf course has never welcomed thore �ofers
of us who are noni
neither It,infa,nucture, signage or tall So my daughter has avoided it when walkingW and
Thank you so much it, yourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiown... d Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have an opeah.ai contact for the Goif Courre that i, effective through
December 2023 and we are in the mid,t of planning for the future, bath for the Goif Course and Mountain View
Commons. We will add your --t, t, the planning process it, —,d,at,-. In the meantime, please ,,it
this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courre and
Mountain View Commons l Gty of Port Townsend Washington (cityofptu,). Thanks again for taking the time to
send your cam mems.
1/6/2023 council Thank you so much foryourinput forthis community discussion ab—the P-T—o... d Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have an opeah-ai contact for the Goif Cour,, that i, effective through
As a resident in uptown that pays s,gh,fi,nt taxes, lam ala—d to hear the city wishes to re December 2023 and we arein the midst of pianningforthe future, both for the Go if Course and Mountain View
199 purpose the golf course. l hope this does not happen. l also know as acivil engineer howmuch Commons. Wewill add yourcomtBrit,t,thepianning process for consvdeah— In the meantime, piease ,,it
wort: the meet, need here. That would be a —h better ore of fund, this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Cour,, and
Mountain View Commons l Gty of Port Townsend Washington (cityofptu,). Thanks again for taking the time W
end your comments.
1/6/2023 council Thank you so much foryourinput forthis community discussion ab—the P-T—o... d Goif Course and
I ourse to the communityforh,ith and and pend money agreewith Na- Erre, in the opinion section of the leader fi-om January 4th. lets highlight Mountain View Commons. We have an opeah-ai contact for the Goif Cour,, thati,effective through
thevalue of the golf cweiinesssmme Decem ber 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the future, both for the Goif Courseand M ountain View
200 Commons. We will add your commBrit, t, the planning process for --d—h— In the meantime, Ili—,visit
fixing the meets. We mightaim think about reducingthe herd of the deer that has grown to be this web for other wa ived in the conversation. Envision Portiownsend Goif Cour,, and
huge. It has become dangerous to doe you...hicie around Port Townsend. page ys you can stay invo
Mountain View Commons l Gty of Port Townsend Washington (cityofptu,). Thanks again for taking the time to
end your comments.
1/7/2023 council Thank you so much foryourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiown,end Goif Course and
Why continue t, spend limited re sources dg,h I s—With rep. rposethe Golf Course Mountain View Commons. We have an oh-ai contactfo.the Goif Course thati,effective through
while o..d—II areldg. th. Cit ofrepavito Iagreewith Nancy Erre o.,I 4/20231etter De— b,2023 and we are in the midst of planningit,th,future, both for the Goif Courseand M ountain View
in the Leader. (challenge the City Leaders to askthe taxpayers where our limited monies Commons. We will add yourcomments t, the planning process forconsvdeation. In the meantime, piease visit
201 should be spent. It will be interesting to see who sho., by forth. Jan 11”rdpb,po,idg this webpa gefor otherway, you can rtayinvbved in thec n. Envision Po rt Townsend Goif Cb—e and
,,ting at Fort Warden.ls..pect the majority of attendees w ill be supporters for Mountain View Commons)Gty of Port Townsend Washington jcityofptu,). Thanks again for taking the ti—to
keeping the Golf Course. Life is full of choices I respectfully request you reconsider this send your comments.
expensive and, In my opinion, ill advised choice/iidea to ..purpose our Golf Course and
spend those limited dollars on r.p.,i ng.
1/7/2023 councilThank you so much it, yourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiown,end Goif Course and
Although lam nota goiferlam opposed to usingthe property fora glorified health center. We M -ht—View Comm ons. We have an opeah-ai coma ctit, the Goif Course that i, effective through
ved to PF 26 years ago in search ofan,pe, community with hiking tails, beaches and open De—Ite.2023 and wear, in the midst of pianningfo.thef.ture, both forth, Goif Course and Mountain View
,pace.IT"'g this open space is counterproductive. Asa tax payer my request is this city stop Commons. We will add he tannin for consvdeation. In the meantime, piease ,,it
202 spending ou.money on consultants from out of state and fix ourroads.l live on Morgan Hliland yourcommentsmt p gprocess
roadsare full ofs hales. Homelessness, hi htaxes foam Senior Gtizensto leave this webpage forotherwaysyou can rtayinvoived in the conversation. Envision Portiownsend Goif Cour,, and
pine -jarring g g Mountain View Commons l Gty of Port Townsend Washington jcityofptu,). Thanks again for taking the time to
their homes and the conditions of aur roads should be the cifle, priorities not fan, health clubs
the majority of u„n— afford send your comments.
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space/recreation for the public. Once open space is gone, it's gone forever, and there are m
many recreational uses that are possible and that would make money. Alm there are many
volunteers. ailabie to help with this property, Preservation Alliance is right there with lots of
housing that will be provided. In any are, there should be no housing on the golf courm
property, and I am a proponent far housing, ,g h- Just not there.
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see the Goif Course as Port Towmmhd's Cental Pari:. My vision is that mostly this stays an open
space farvanous community uses. Possibly mme affordable housing where the houses currently
ex n. And that the indigenous parts -such as the Camas Paine are turned overt the S'KIMI—
people to awn and maintain. I also hope that the density of ail lands across the meet from itis
upgaded to include up to 8 unit apartment buildings, town houses, etc. That like Cental Pari: it
11 n open space tar pubilc use surrounded by d,- development and family housing. I would
also love to see the return of the Community Pea Patch at the corner of San Juan and 19th Street.
I do not support continuing. golf course which allows very limned pubilc ure.
Thanks for yourcomments. I just have a pont of ciar fat on the stakeholders w ii not be mak-ngany decisions.
They are charged with lirteningt the community and heipingm make sure the information that eventually goes
to Qty Council will be actuate and informative. Thanks.
Thank you so much fit, yourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have a n opeationai contact for the Goif Courm that is effective through
December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the future, bath for the Goif Course and Mountain View
Commons. We will add your tom me ms m the planning process for co d—h-, In the meantime, please visit
this webpa ge for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courm and
Mountain View Commons l Qrt Qty of PoTownsend Washington (cityofptus). Thanks -,n for taking the time to
end your comments.
Thank you so much foryourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Pt,iownsend Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have a n tcontract for the Goif Courm that is effective through
Decem ber 2023 and we are in the midst of pianningforthe future, bath for the Goif Course and Mountain View
Commons. We will add yourcom m ents m the planning process for consvde h-, In the meantime, please visit
this webpa ge for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courm and
Mountain View Commons l Qty of Port Townsend Washington (cityofptus). Thanks -,n for taking the time to
end your cam mems.
1/5/2023 Engage PF Thank you so much fit, yourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownse.d Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have a n opeationai contract for the Goif Courm that is effective through
December 2023 and we are in the midst of pianningfit, the future, bath for the Goif Course and Mountain View
Commons, and the pool. We will add your commentsto the planning process for consideaht, Inthemeantime,
Seemsthe'weiinessfaciI ty'a,d'what m do with the golf course property' are two ,pa- real pieare visit this w,bpag, for other ways you an stay involved in the conversation. Envision Portiownsend Goif
bigissues that are beingd Mt with simultaneously, but, barely in thea breath from what l've Course and Mount ain View Commons!Qty of Portiownsend Washingtn(cityofptus). Thanks again for taking
read from the Stakeholder -ting, about the Goif Course. Yet, I'veats read that the Goif thetimeto send yourcomments.
Course isin the top running for this facility. That'd be a shame to build it on the Goif Course. W,
have a place for the pool - rebuild it where it's at! There's even a Sym and dressing rooms in that
building aireadyl Seems the mors'efficient' way t go. We have so many athletic clubsto,
wori:-
ou - on yoga, pilates, and fitness classes galore! Our town has ample
opportunities tar h aithy physiat activities already. I'm confused about the need fora miiitn
dollar (or way more)'aii under ane root' facility. W ouid the near miiitn dollars the Qty is getting
for the Opioid Settlement be used for the wellness facility? Seems up near the first Search
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facility must be built. Since your report ihd,ates our town is composed of a low median income
demogaphic, would hope any facility built would be free or low-ast for the community to use.
Our homeless and poverty families are the ones who could use a facility full of health promoting
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Keep the Solt co—e and the lovely native pame land that the community members have
been enjoying for years. Upgading the Solt course t Fionda tanda-seems a bit lavish and
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the Solt course. Keep your gift from the Welch family
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Thank you so -h for yourinput for this -unity discussion about the -1 Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have an opeationai contact for the Goif Courre that i, effective through
usedmiive near Port Townsend, and would often play the PTGC. Ishii return t, Port Town send
December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the future, both for the Goif Course and Mountain View
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with my wife reveal times a year, and we stay in our favorite hotel in downtown and play the
Commons. We will add your corn merits t, the planning process for consvdeation. In the meantime, please visit
PTGC.l work: in the golf ihdurny,and — very familiar with the rtatirtics that show the value a
this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courre and
golf courre creates for any community - from an economic and corn lanai standpoint, and for the
Mountain View Commons City of Port Townsend Washington(,ityofpt.us). Thanks again for taking the time to
values rt brings and inrtiiisin young people.
send your comments.
1/8/2023 Engage Pi
PPckiebaii players, Dog pari:users,Swimmers, Sports players l login, it the city
I have received your corn merits and have added them to the log.
decided to repurpore your area bea it was no longerim portant to Mem or they
needed Thor' sea mn they won't divulge. W eii naw- an imagine haw the goiters
feel. There are lots of spaces in Pi for ail sports players without havingW d,nroy ane
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sport, area. Check out the county fairgrounds where great things are happening. Please
support the goiters and wort: with them for alternate uses. This could happen W your
pace.
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have received your comments and have added them to the log.
City council, city manager, stakeholders- have you ail done your due diligence which you pledged
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to do and looked at,aveptg.II website m see the value of the courre and haw much it
benefits the corn munity? It you haven't Men you are not doing the job citizens tryst you t, do.
You need ht unders2nd what could be destroyed. Thank you.
1/9/2023 Engage PiThank
you so much for yourinput for this corn munity discussion about the P 1Tbwn,end Gait Course and
really Mink the golf course area should be ured for other purposes. It i, currently notaccessibie
M ountain View Commons. We have an opeationai contact for the Goif Courre that i, effective through
open space for public use(unie„ you enjoy the potential golf balls). It i, NOT wiidiffe habitat, It
December 2023 and we are in the midst of pianningfor th,future, both for the Go it Course and Mountain View
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es lots of water, fossil fuels, and likely landscape chemical,. l know there i, a new well(n.
Commons. We will add y_:,,,_ment, t, thepianning process forconsvdeation. In the meantime, please visit
potabie)for landsape use, but it',r,il water(and electricty W pump it). I would like t, seethe
this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in theconversation. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and
pale area expanded --hat. Some well planned housing with greenbelts could be a suitable
Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend Washington (cityofptu ). Thanks again for taking the time W
se ft,oil, of the area. And the concept of besthould include fallow area,
send your corn m ent,.
1/9/2023 Engage Pi
commend the City for taking on this chailengingcom m unity conversation. It'snot
Thank you so much for yourinput for this corn—discussion a bout the P 1Town,end Goif Course and
easy. So good job.
Mountain View Commons. We havean opeationai c-ta. forth, Goif Course that i, eff
m p-mgi, a vote W keep it a golf course.
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Dec—be, 2023 and we are in the midst of pianningtorthe future, bath for the Gait Course and Mountain View
The golf courre i, part of Port Townsend', chaacter. it's a great place W ski, visit the
Commons. We will add yourcomm,rite t, the planningprocess forcons,d,,anon. In the meantime, please visit
vepale, walk through, orjust enjoy lookingat. it's likely no m ore expensive to
this webpage for other way, you can rtayinvoived in theconversation. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and
—(ata basis level) than an aquatic ce,t,, h,,h also will be unable t, pay for
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M ountain View Commons)City of Port Townsend Washington(cityofptu). Thank, a gain for taking th, timeW
SA R C for the exa mpie)and could be a,, --dated on the M ountain View
send your corn lents.
ampu, anyway. It the issues with the golf course are sea ily about cart, then should we
be proposing replacement facilities that cart even mare when aur C'ty rtreets are
failing apart? I would like t, see same of Port Townsend', aid, funky chaacter
preserved and I would chaa-i—a 3hole golf courre in the middle of town a, part of
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that chaacter (I don't even play golf). Just haw I feel, but could be open to different
ewpoint, with ad 'It”'information. The condition of the City meet, need, m be
part of the conversation though when we are talking about where to spend money. This
an't be compartmentalized and put on the back burner. My meet i, a disaster,
but my real concern is for the main street, like Lawrence, etc.
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th Regina. There is a survey that will be railed outtomorrow night at the open ho e. It you are unable to attend
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the open house, we will past it on aur website until neo Enday, so piea,e log on W take it. Thanks.
I, there a survey for the golf course?
1/10/2023
Hi_Ijust—admadd,couple ofthings_Iw,,d,, If they ore tam they—ldhovemI,—to
people's comments? Wall they tdtl to r,ad comment log? After 4 months they have rid heard
any in person comments themselves only what you report It MI b, about 4 months tomorrow
when they actually hear from gdf„_ They mayrid even remember that kaeping golf course is
n option as nawth, itl,as of rid kaeping it are ingrain etl_ Great strategy I .111 91. you that
There really is only ane person who asks questions and they all seem t—d and h,sit.nt to even
make comments_ They had to be asked to came to open house where they coultl actually hear
mems and were wam etl that they might have to and,,, av d gall,,, say haw much they want
to keep i n, gdf course And finally you had W b, asked to put up a b—d sh_"a the golf
antl its value to the community_ If kaeping golf cau„e was really an option that boartl
sh.,Id have been obvious Anyway that is I- ih, other did. ..... t natju It m,_ I d. appreciate
you dI the boartl and listening_ Thank you_
1/9/2023 Engage PT
iunoerrrano mere isrremenoousrervorano rension aroundmegon course, as inoiareo cram
public comments here and elsewhere. Having grown up in Portiownsend, I get that it's been
part of the local l,nd.ap, tar geneations, and I of course appreciate the view of the lovely
green space lined with poplars. Iunderstand that this spacei, very d—a percentage of aur
m unity. However, as we envision haw else the space could be used, 1 urge aur community m
have open minds, ears and hearts. As tar myreif, I cannot support dumping the million dollars of
city money that it would take m bring the golf course upm speed (for those concerned about
potholes- I wander haw many could be Hlied with a million dollars?). And regarding the plea to
sa g a
ur green space;' I would offer that it could potentially continue to be a noth.r reen spce
open m the public (perhaps ane where you don't have to worry about getting concussed by a golf
ball N1, attempting, leisurely waik).Looking for mare inf—tion to If— my opinion, a
couple monthsago reached out to the golf course m ask haw many people from PT ufliize it.
The person corresponded with was not able to give me a number, but they.mpd--that
many people who don't live in PT use the golf course mo. Personally, rfrt rums outthat there are
u es forth,t space that better meetth, needs of more of our community members, then I J- t
wan to be a part of the equ—,Wh,tev.rdecision ismade, it will disappoint
same portion of people. understand that m a passionate percentage of aur community, the golf
c veryimportantm understand that when so many things are changing, round us, we
the comfort of feeling that we an count on same things rt ying the sam, eut what if
iinvng that large space in a different way, benefit. even mare —utiny In—lb syIt—
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change i. happening, whether we Ake it or not The golf course has been there fora century,
while the wand outside it has changed. W, naw have an increasing need tar medical ........in
Port Townrend, as well as a severe lack of housing that affects ail sectors of the economy
(ind-ag aur hospital, EMS , service ind— , construction, and maritime). So, what if we can
,b—fly orindir.ctiy mitigate those recent changes through using the golf courre diff .... ayll
myself have not yet forzned an opinion yet- I an, curious m see what the planning team has been
forznulating. I want to hear ail the options. I ask that we al— to be heard and
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The golfcau„a will not pend out unless it is expantletl to l8 hdes'Putihe "”"Cana'
by JHG, close Blain, street, remove in, dd builtling at Mountain View and ..pond the cause to
'8h ad ,ra. out of town people market rate, and in —,r,,,d,nt, the rauc.d rata Hav,
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free family nights_ K„p the native praise_
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100%support the health/pool complex and while 1 could see same townhome. on the golf
tour e, I'd much ather see t asp large multi -ore pari: and would envision mountain view m be
connected to it by a nice badge.
1/10/2023 Engage PT
In—, do not develop the golf coua.l As along -time resident, itis those open spaces that aid
aur quality of life and community vision. I do not golf and do not care at ail if the golf courre
would shut dawn. However, rt it were to be"r.ymagin.d", then community —d—t-1,
gardens, cuituai signs, gathering/teaching spaces and outdoor recreation would bene Ht ail -not
just a few golfers.
Thanks for your comment There will b.....ai Council members at the meeting, if that i. who you are refemng
o.. The full Council also received a link to the comment log that i. updated daily. They have been kept in the loop.
Thank you so much foryourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. W. have a n opeationai contact for the Golf Courre that i. effective through
December 2023 and we are in the midst of planningforthe future, bath for the Golf Course and Mountain View
Commons. W. will add yourcom m ants m the planning process for consvdead— In the meantime, please ,,it
this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in the --ad- Envision Port Town send Golf Courre and
Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend Washington (cityofptu.). Thanks again for taking the time W
send your cam mems.
Thank you so much foryourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe P-T—I... d Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. W. have an ad-ai contact for the Goif Courre that i. effective through
D...m bar 2023 and we are in the midst of planningforthe future, bath for the Goif Course and Mountain View
Commons. W. will add yourcom m ants m the planning process for consvdead— In the meantime, please ,,it
this webpage for other ways you can stayinvolved in the conversation. Envision Port Townsend Goif Courre and
Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend Washington (cityofptu.). Thanks again for taking the time to
end your comments.
Thank you so much foryourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. W. have an ,ad-ai contact for the Goif Courre that is effective through
December 2023 and we are in the midst of planningforthe future, bath for the Goif Course and Mountain View
Commons. W. will add your --t, m the planning process for consvd,at,-. In the meantime, please ,,it
this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in the --ad-— Port Town send Goif Courre and
Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend Washington (cityofptu.). Thanks again for taking the time W
send your cam merits.
1/10/2023 Engage PF Thank you so much for you,input for this community discussion about the Portiowns,nd Galt Course and
Mountain View Commons. W, have a n opeationai contact for the Goif Courre that is effective through
m writlng to express supportforth,mntlnu,d premrvatlon and 1-1,Jshlp Kal Tal(gatly( December 2023 and wear, in the midst of pianningforthefuture, both forth, Go it Course and Mountain View
aspame by the Native Plant Society and Jamermwn 5'Mailum. The Camas Pam, reminds us Commons. W, will add yourcom m,tits m the planning process forconsvd,ation. In the meantime, pias,—a
oto time when native people lived off our present land, Qatay, through ar,fui management of this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courre and
Md pi a tit a rid animal resources. This living h,ntage provides a cntiailink to th, indigenous Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend Washington(cityofptus). Thanksa gain for taking the timeW
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1/11/2023 Engage PF Thank yo uch to, your ptto, this com R,-tI, bout the Portio n,nd Goif Cours,and
While l like holt,swimming, and open space, and believe in decision criteria, the process does Mountain View Commons. We havean opeationai contrac[forthe Goif Courre that is effective through
allow tar gaming by rtak,hoid,rs --t—It'd be useful to have mme comparisons of towns by December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the future, bath torthe Gait Course and Mountain View
219 ar and population who have managed to ma k, ail three— b, I'm not convinced the ores Commons. W, will add your comments to the planning process for consvdeation. In the meantime, please ....population is big enough for any of these invertments as compared tooth,, town pn m—, It this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Portiownsend Goif Courre and
msiik, both a pool and golfing might wort: better withapmate partner sho buiidsand staffs Mountain View C-1 City of Port Townsend Washington(cityofptus). Thanksagain to, taking the timeW
th thingsto, a munst—ib,t and has a deal with the town to, residentumge ,end you, comm encs.
1/11/2023 Thanksfo,your proposal. added your propomi to the community input/comment log
This prbp—i crew— ffo-N, wo,bforce rental housing and stili leaves land tori, sustainable
Par3 9 hol, pubilc golf course. It would wort: like thisl. Sell approximately 4 acres of th, 58 acre
Gait Course land to, private development creating funds to build affordable apartment rental
its to,low/medium income wo,b and their families. Them 4 acres yield approximately thirty
50' 1100' lots Conservatively estimating $125K per lot delivers aimort $4 Miih— Them
proceeds are used to build apartment rental units. These newly private parcels provide additional
wozoru, W the City. 2. tease anothe,4 acres of Gait Course land to build affordable
ce apa""ti, tai units. (teasing reduces development carts and City retains rts
220 hit t nth,prop,rty)3. Actuai number of acres required may be less if ,ting and code
apph,ation utilize Planned Unit D,v,lopmenttechnique A loation of these lands[ be
determined by individuals knowledgeable of Gait Course lands and facilities. 5. Um apartment
r mai income for apartment management and naffing maintenance and possibly to build mare
apartment units over time.6. Ask JCF, Qiycap, Habitat and/o, another community v,rted
organ2ations to build and manage this. 7. With jun 8 acres of land, 50 acres remain to, the golf
e which an facilitate a Par Three 9 hol, golf course. 8. Apartment rental units are
pr,f,abi, to private homes as they remain affordable without risk of being bought and remid at
—bet at".. Further, they an be managed to, affordable wo,bforce housing needs ma
continuing way.
1/12/2023 Beautiful Port Towns end has ase nous leadership problem.Rath,, than fix present problems, our The Mayo, rent me yo u,message. Thankyoufo,s,nding it. l have logged it on our community Trip /comment
city council seemsm look fo,new prbbl,—Th, city golf worm, a swimming pool and a logfo, the Council c_"d,at,_. Thankyou.
undabout on K,am,y are ail non existing problems. W hat is a problem is aur honibi, —1,Quit trying to fix things that aren't broken. You have a very poo,
image. suggert you also repair
that.
1/11/2023 As a city resident 37 years lam very skeptical that the golf course can be altered to further the Thank you so m uch fo,you,input to, this com mutiny discussion a bout the Portiowns,nd Goif Course and
pubilcgood without massive spendingof city funds. Asin moat pro�ectsthe planning Mountain View Commons. W, have a n opeationai c-t,a. fo, the Goif Courre that is effective through
department gets ahold of, the corn are going W be far m excess of what was promised and the December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning to, the future, both to, the Goif Course and Mountain View
benefits to the citizens of the city are going W be less. There needs t be some i, --t as far as Commons. W, will add your com merits t the planning process for --d—t—. In the meantime, please ,,it
spending. Many of us can think of other places those funds could be to, the geneai good. this web page toroth,, ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courre and
Mountain View Commons I City of Port Townsend Washington (cityofptus). Thanks again to, taking the time to
send your cam merits.
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—thing d.,j I depend greatly . being able t, go to the p.1 to exerts. 4 al,f i joints,,aljoints,-
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outdoor ,,at,opportunity all
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--,—g a g.ff course —Ma— ,,fi—t aesthetic , space at the -- of the city.
Thank you so —h f,, y— -t f,, this community d--- ab— the P- T— ... d Gaff C—,, and
Mountain Vl,. C.—, W. have - ,at—al -- f,, the Goff Cour,, that i, effective through
December 2023 and ., are in the -- of planning f,, the future, bath f,, the Gaff C—,, and M-htView
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P- T,.—hd P -L W. arejh,t g,tt ta-d on this -j", 'oMl pa" yourinput along t, our planning
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and add your --ht, to the planning -'g f,, -,,d,,at,-. In the pleasepl, ,,,t this
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theP- Townsend and Mountain View C—, d--- Th -k, you tar sen d- your th-ghts.
Thank you so —h f,, y— tf,, this community d--- ab— the P- T— ... d Gait Course and
- _— View Commons. W. have an ,at—al contact f,, the Goff C,,,,, that , =d,, through
December 2023 — ., — the -- of p',Pla,�'�f_th, the
Gait
C_ Mountain View
Commons. W. will add Y_:�'t -- t, the- _ d,,at,-. In the meantime, pl,a,,,,,,t
this webpage
ag, f,, other ay, y- can stay —I -d n the ---atP- T— send Goff — and
MounMountainhtVl— C—, I City of P- T,.—hd --g— (,,tyofpt—). Th -k, again f,, taking the time W
send your --,
1/11/2023 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P,rtiownsend Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have an ope-ttn-I contact for the Gbit Courre that is effective through
December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the future, bath for the Gbit Course and M,untin View
N—, db not develop the golf',arseiht, hard mr(e'e deveiopmentihe fact that you have Commons. We will add your --t, m the planning process for'—de-h., In the meantime, please visit
-il,we12(at le-st)wII— a reas t,be developed does not give m—fiden'e that you will not this -bp far other ways you can stay involved in the c,nve—h- Envision Port Town send Gbit Courm and
pursuethis avenue.) do not_Prt golf per se, and would -Merit was-il,wed W revert W Mount -in View Commons CIty of P-T—dsend Washingtn('ityofptus). Th-nksagain far taking the timeW
p --and paths tar everyone t, use, but f that is not passible, I would prefer It stay as is. Our send your"m m -t,c, is part of the PF is ndm-pe. But why does it have t, be upgraded t, s,m e golf
or __tsIt-ndard�This is P,rtiownse.d after ail. However, f the ioai gaiters want it t,
sa goif"urse, then they need W share it. There iso sign Mat says -l—, Tb Aii, butI
walked t and was told W lave (hard ball hoard). Isn't it passible t, 00. goiters t, useit
part of each day, -nd other residentthe rem-inder? Search 1/11/23, 5'.52 PM Submission 4176
Qty of Port T,wmmdd Washington https'//cityofptus/node/21717/submission/43557 2/2250
Madison Street Port T,wmmdd WA 98368 Phone(36D) 3853DOO H., I Dashboard Sitem-p
ingout Webmaii Employee Linking P,liry I And, yes, PF need, -decent sized p„I to
re (I am nota swimmer either), ,pen at reliable times, but d, we really need a
Sport Complexi There are 3 fitness gyms in the area th-tlknow,f Couldn'tthe'urrentp of be
expanded int, the space in the YMCA building. Move the police HQ W a better location, f
ne scary.'_is m,vingt Fart W ord11, The Food Bank "aid be reioated. Ais, the dog
se pari:. O,, a pool "aid be built on a hard space somewhere (such as a church parking Tot
which is,niy used on Sundays, when the p„I ism't open anyway). I hope you will give Mese and
,the, ,,ho”goad thought before you make any decisions. We need affordable housing,
ye,but there are Tot of places t, provide such spaces, such -s open lots around current
residential areas. Another hard surface in what is green sp
hello. i am a j' resident living on ---island. i am an active member of pip' as well as
particip-tingin yoga at m -drop-, along distance runneraId eni,y aur ioai t„d c„p and
downs 11 and uptown shopping. i have been -',owner of Provisions, a deiiatsmn in PF and
.-Id with PF,drool dismct in changing aur 11—I t„d I,— as well as --d as a chef in
JGH kitched
. myihterest in this project links t, my BA degree in urban planning and design and
-is, myinterest in the health of aur com —ty, i feel young high s—I goiters may need this
facility a' 't is a neighb,rh„d',arse. i aim know that tails through this green belt would be a
goad link t, ft warden and as a runnerand ryciist it —11 be advantageous m access the yma
and downtwn, If tails were available. rf viable, ,the, mixed uses would beanadvantageous.
denc1-w
fi-ek ,imrte-d had the f,resightt ri: develop cental pad s, many pari:, throughout
untry providing the m uch needed green belts t, keep aur com —t— healthy. i believe
mixed use for this space is e_'ht i.the'ptp'has—bed diligently in -icing funds in
—p—t— with the city for the new mt view' arts.they-rev fabulous and naw heavily umd,
re highly needed. t e—worthy t, develop —e c, -,s this ioanon and
perhaps redu'Ingtheme,f the dog park, yes, dog parks a re needed yet i ee this land t, be a ole
t, be shared, it appears M -t other dog p-rksin the city are -rely umd such -s the ane west of
'heti-mak- pari , smaller size dog pari:, would be preferred in -ciry s, that people an utilize in
their awn neighb,rh„ds without ext- p -rising needs, in terms of keeping recre-h- in ane
place, pickieb-ii is not -- in neighb,rh„d settings due t, the noise that is created. the
demand tar picklebO is f,reve, growing and currently there are few courts-wailable and none in
the —dty nsum m-non,the hea lth of our community iso product of our green space, f—,
schools, health care, business a nd recre-ttn.
i appreciate that the ciry is prioritizing efforts t, plan for the recreati,nai needs of the
cammumTy.
Thank you s, much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P,rtiownsend Gbit Cb—,and
Mountain View Commons. We have -nape-ttn-I cont-ct it, the Gbit Courm that is effective through
December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the future, bath for the Gbit Cburse and Mountain View
Commons. We will add your com mems m the planning process for c,nsvde.. — In the meantime, please visit
this webpage it, other ways you can stay involved in the c,nversati,n. Envision Port Townsend G,if Courm and
Mountain View Commons l CIty of Port Townsend W-shingtn ('ityofptus). Thanks a gain for taking the time t,
send your cam mems.
1/12/2023 — hit, , bp,, h—, was —y well db— I was ,—hy --—d with Chris —, Thi,hk, for your r-fi-ctionsa b— the , haus-arid f,lib. hp comments. I have put th— on M- comment log
presentation and forthright —.— to qh,,t,-,, His definitive statement thi,t hy additions o, and they will b, ---dm the City Cb—d,
changes w thg.ff course —t b, for municipal — was —t welcome. My only ib—ti,— m
that regard ,,th, =— passibility that i, convoluted definition bf pi,i could
mehow include , hg ,abenefit w fit the ,11 be
salved if the cb- 'll andhd City
Manager would simplyip'y state ii, ,b - W
stop harping ont.2,1 am left with — very :b,—b,hg - being bantered b— —mgth,
p.I/gyh,/e--e -I- w the golf course. See— tb me M - shear -
e �f the piex
and
_e_ , parking .-Id greatly encroach on M -golf -- Considering Ma Pine will be left
phi"'th,,Iy —y to expand I— i, li,ig, --e (— uffi—,t parking) .-Id be w take— the pl,t", ii-
i, the gof—b—, and i, li,ig, p- bfholeb 1, (assuming th, bg—i place
aba .-Id
— b.he,e h, current golf bf,e/,e,t—iht it,) Not only .-Id such ilarge
r- 1= over the Cb—e, but .-Id greatly --h the future Course --g,, bihty
b
et"eptly
=b--e,,-he current —t— of the pool , the —t logical,"h"'ey
the le-eh,f,,h, pool complex. he—e, itis the cart ofre—g the
aid pool and
have to be d-,, so
wouldn't it be mart —t effect- b —be
demolitionand __ l�mdh-e -- (I remember M- Cb—d presentation t—
_d,byjeffla—h I—lyears
ago ,,Iaymga very goad ft f,, the new -I- on the
_"thg"t, also timt
h,, e,at, of 8 W 12 -h— dbliai,)-hie, other —ah
Fist- fth,p.:complex , ihd,, health club amenities be ia,qhlbail, weights, and exertse
machines, th-out , t., -al Health Clubs .Id be �t of business -is that really hat
z db to -xi
lihg -al b—m—? Al- a question —, asked hat ie—at— , planned =1
and y -h- on th, Cb—e? th, obvious answeris GOLF! A competent Course Manager .-Id
definitely develop y - golf bgl— F! 'ally, _,ed the flow chart that displayed the
P_2 from study to pIa,, tb d,,,,,- appeared to show the Cb—d recervinga single opt—
iath,, Man a�ahg, ((at lean
'd 3 ' — -
1, that yht,ht?l 1, forward future
hit ,a.,- h th, planners - ep'f options.
M-City Cb—d,
1/12/2023Thahk you so — —-h f,, yt f,, this community :1 ---about - — Course the PT— -rid GbIff Cbe and
Regarding the golf course bpeny....hat , it that -t db m PT today that we would only Mountain— Cb-- We have an lt—al co t,a. f,, the GbIff Course that is effective through
be able to we closed o, iep,if
ed the golf
With the golf ,—e ht-, residents and De—bei 2023 and we e:the midst
- bf pI the fhe,b:thf,, the G If Course and Mountain View
vis —eable b play golf PT, fth, golf "d—d we will — a ie—at—al C-- We will addYbu=l—, b process o,d,at,-.
In the --h—, please visit
opportunity —iehtly -j d by many residentsvisitovisitors.
deht, and ,GbIff does require a significant this ——- can-
bpag, f,, other y, ytay bl,ed m th . . . . e,,at,-TownsendTownseCoursePTd GbIff Course and
a t of land
""'at" mthat pe,ffi, —. However, people m PT are -t currently prevented Mountain View C—, I City of P- Townsend Washington(,lybfpt—). Thanks again for taking the h— W
—
f,pal pat hgm other b --,ani ThereMe, e,e , space and places f,, nearly— —
—lpaths,
y all d y
other recreational
pursuits Certainly mare :p,,k1eba,, a—p-e,I, bike p: " et, , would
we great, �t at lean have thbethng ,� place
, naw.
—. And
,'ha_a golf- —, enjoyed
many of aur citizens and —l— W our W— CIb,,hg the --e would el—nat, a .--V
a—ly. What can't we do n PT that could only db if the ,—e , lb,ed? D, we actually
ne edthat pal same particular piece �f land f,, other �:' f same that rend -tits ch -,e m_ the golf ,—e , nota goad reason tar d—hg t dawn.
, I don't use th, skate pail:, pool,
or
pickle ball -l,, but I am really glad we have them
for
those people who like m. I amglad we
have th, pff course, — Let's keep the PT pff —rse.
tin to ifunbfe I I bm notable to bite Id fhe me,frog (so far) scheduledf, r Envision Port
Townsend Calf Course and Mountain View Commons. I 11111 really like to hebI it,.
Ideas and pbrtic
to
n Ithis pbnning. With, t hebring eveIytnIII g about it and all it,.
possib pities, do hbve b felt Ideas I'd like to share -Fust and most Important -The
Camas Pralrie needs to be TOTALLY preserved and—i,tbined. bud possibly exponded.
My undersfbnding. fhe locbl tribes bud Not le Plant Society bre mbinfalnln11 if novt.
Whotb gr eat trlbutem be be-,
bncestml bud cur rent common by. Many years bgo
"helped plantth. pralrle along vn[h LealI SchrodePs bnd5'" grbde clbss fmm (""at
as then)Mountbin Vlevr School—vhatbn honorto be port of mbtl AND vrhbtb th Ing of
=TY— did yousee the Hooleisl I think this brea should be expbn de e. oro old love fo
vrbys to hove educbtionbl events. to tell the stories. the I` to of camas bud
locallod]genous peoples. hoveb I objectionto a gorccourse In fhe middle oftovtn. This
m efning fnbf selves elativelyfent people(and poasrblymostlyoldervtealthyvrhife
Itaslo
es). This Ibnd could be b lovely pork opento all people for vrelklng and recreation. If
o ild be community gardens for bll. o b Food Forest. Perhaps if could Include hous Ing
forlovrincom e peo pie bud vr0 it fb mules. vthlch. sodesperafelyneeded hour
unify. Or if could Include tiny houses to
house homeless people bs they frons ifion
fo other hous Ing. Lef's make this space more Inclusive and more avbllable for people of
all bges. Holt I have longed to vrelk In the golf course and enjoythe as
of ourtovrn-
Hot way foo dangerous to get III by b golf ball. and not ma Infalned as the ec asset em
of
beauty if could be (s Ince if's pdmanly mooted grass). It's great that the geese (blies) have
a place to loud during m(g rations e of it could be maintained for thelr use
foo. Please cooslder ma king this lond more Inclusme. AND please preserve the camas
praldeI look foivre ib to more community wide discussions on this subject.
my thank you m everyone Involved Io the public open house at Ft W orden Commons
yesterday evening. Much wort: paid off, great attendance supported by extending the space In to
the neo room, and this was all well managed. I do appreciate that Mere may have b—
ol
een mme
nal omissions to keep the event focosed, eat there were same Issues not well covered In
this iniflai presentation, that need attention at same paint. A significant factor for future
pianning everywhere Is water consumption. The Crcy needs to provlde residents with adequate
dunking water, and mart plan It, drought years, climate change, and envlronmentai water
requirements (far salmon, etc ). The Importance of this should be made clear. A golf course
rthan any otheracnvlty we might want Io this lb-,— Surely this Is a
agniflant factor for Gty pianning here, and everywhere around the country; water conservation
ec smryaimort everywhere.I would other that water not needed for m ore canal uses fl—
......
low
mimon rneams..The presentation did not Include any lnformanonoboutthe golf course
financials over the part 5-10 years. Many people think that by paying rent, the golf course
provlde, a net Income to the Ccl eat It seems this may not be trve.lt Is necesmry m know mare
about the CIry maintenance obilganons as landlord, and what the golf course company actually
pays in annual rentfor are of approximately 50 acres of Clty property. It appear, from the Ccty
website posting, that golf course ores over 1,000,000 gallon, of CIty water for irrigation, and
e addition smaller amount In the facilities (cafe, rernoom, & geneai ore). However this Is
made ciearin any useful faehmnm . I apiecing this Information together from confusing
reformation on the Ccty website, and may have It all wrong.
Thank you so —h foryourinput forthie com —ty discussion aboutthe P-T—lo Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have an opeationai contact for the Goif Courre that is effective through
December 2023 and we are Io the midst of pianning for the future, bath for the Goif Course and Mountain View
Commons. We will add your com mentsm the pianning process for consvdeation. In the meantime, please ,at
III, webpage for other ways you can stay Involved In the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courre and
Mountain View Commons l CIty of Port Townsend Washington (cityofpt.oe). Thanks again for taking the time to
end your --1
Thanks for the feedback. I will add It to the comment log and we will address Mese Issues at aur next open house.
1/12/2023 Thank you so much It, yourinput forthie communrcy discussion aboutthe P-Tbwneend Goif Course and
A couple 1, If the golf course stays, add lrlsbee golf This would alto- youngand Mountain View Commove. We have an opeationai contact for the Goif Courre that lseffective through
aid. Or keep the doling ange and add fisbee golf Share time between both. 2 targe play area December 2023 and we are In the midst of piannregfor the future, both for the Go if Course and Mountain View
with a wooden "play on'sll This could be ma de ibcaily. Gig Harbor has—Kid, love lt! Maybe Commove. We will add your com mentsm thepianning process for—edeation. In the meantime, please ,at
a -featurepari: for kids to play In doung—co, summer m onth,3. Since the soils vary m this webpage for otl— ay, you can rtaylnvoived In the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courre and
much create community gardens,v,gie and flb.—A, Of course tali, accessible for aii. 5. Mountain View Common) Ccty of Port-F—I—ad Waehington(cityofptoe).Thankeagalnfortakingthe tim eto
Pckiebaii court, miniature goif! 5.ThlnkyouII it, kayak teaching pond 1. Withthe pool sendyourcootot- .
Im provemente add a weight room and basketball/multi —coo—, Nan profit senior living with
living avallabie for attendants, cows and nurses. Provide daycare within the facility. I know this
Idea Is beyond the city's ability but with the aging population, someone should consider It. It
would keep turnover of employees low and create a wonderful community W benefit all
involved. Need me W expound oa any Idea let me know. Thank you tar doing all this!
1/11/2023 Qmteth,t—outf,,th, open houre tonight -11, many teff without using their dote a,
they/we could not get to the boards with the big crowd. One negative com ment l hea rd repeated Thanksso much Horattendin heo house and for flections. Yourcomments have been addedmthe
by 4 was something like clearly the goiters have made theirvoice heard and they were somewhat gt Pen your re
pandered too l did not a gre,F-been ibokingbver the meetIngv,d,o,, agenda since this community input log. Thanks again.
rt,d.
1/11/2023 Wiii there be an opportunity for high,chbolersor other school age children W vote "with green Thank, somuch tors ending your thoughts about engagingou
yth in the process. The school dirt..[ will be sending
and bang,stickers on potential uses for the golf course and MF View similar to what we did the survey to ail ofth,irfamilie,, and IMl be pre,entingatth, High School withth, boa --- mi,
tbnight?Thank, preferences. Th an k, for the comments.
1/11/2023
Thank you tar a great open house session tonight at Fart W ord,n, including makingexcellent
chiidare mailable (the kids had a blast, and were even ted. amazing). That helps to remove ane
bH the b--, for families m participate. Apart fi-om the online session tomorrow, I'm iht,,e.,d Thank, so much tars ending your thoughts about engaging youth in the process. The school dirt..[ will be sending
in whetherthere are otherformsbH rtakehbiderengagement planned with the community?Fbr the survey to all of theirfamilies, and lwiii be presenting
at the High School with the boardstormari:ingtheir
,sample, will you be reachingbut to,drool, torkid,/fk-l,e,'input�l couldn't help not— that preference,. Thank, forth, comment,
younger gen,atibn, were under+,presented at the meeting. The kids will have greatideas, and
e the nearand long-term behf ane,/users of the space,. Ai,o placing the concept boards at
libanes, grocery stores, farzners mari:ets and other pubilc places could be another way m gain
brbaderinput than those able W attend an inperson/virtual meeting. Thank you
1/11/2023
1, THAN K YOU for the wonderful open houre this evening. 2. 1 learned about the relationship the
bH 2020 PRDS to the current project. 3. 1 learned about same of the topogaphicai challenges,
deeds, pribrinput the community and from the Q&A. I have a r,q—t. The PT Galt Course is
pubilc but is not open to the — g.1I pubilc. I was able W use snowshoes from aur PT hbary
(THAN K YDUb the week before Chnstma, and thoroughly enjoyed seeing PT m a different way
fromperspective, I --t ,, walking the perimeter of the course. 1 would like m --that
p..r to the second open house that there could be ane to two orthree times that the gen,ai
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pubilc could be provided access W the golf c-- I am akinetic lea mer. It i, helpful to res a t
slopes on a power paint h thought this wasgreat information) but IF i, another thing to physically
walk a space and undemznd the opportunities and conrtaints and associated carts tar uses on
the property. I think stickers are very helpful. I did not place stickers on two things I highly value -
pubilcartand eduatibnai signage. Perhaps educational signage and pubilc art could be it,
mingled and integrated into the vision bH the future uses as part bH place making. So an there
maybe a way ma,k the community Ifth„e components are valued at the second open house a,
omponent bH place —,hg —ad ata stand alone —? Thank you again tar engaging and
educating aur cam m unity
1/11/2023
Thank, for the welcoming and informative meeting this evening at the Common,. It',m
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important tar aur community to participate and to Heel heard. ,oval
1/11/2023
Thank you tar the 1/11/23 open houre presentation at Ft. W ord,n. It was very —ful and 1 look
H,,— to mare of this. telt there was ane signiHantand punting omission. the pubilc needs to
undemand the current Hnanciai situation Horth, golf courre overthe part 5-10 years. Nothing
as provided at the meeting. Is the golf course a net revenue (however small) torthe Qty? Oris
.ally an expense,, given the maintenance obilgations and the water, I have reviewed the
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reformation on the City website and i, just inadequate and very contusing. There need, to be a
maty report that clarifies the situation, a, many golf Search 1/12/23, 2'.32 PM Sub—,ion
4186 1 Qty bH Portibwn,end W -mgmn http,'//,ityotpt.us/-dl/21717/,ubmi„ion/435612/2
250 Madi,on Street Port Townsend WA 98368 Ph -,(360) 3853D00 Home l Da,hboardI
Sitemap Logout Webmaii I Employee I linking Paltry I co supporters a re convinced that
the course provide, net income to the City. It appears W me that Ifth,re i, really a net income,
the amount i, minimal and insufficient m be significant W planning. I would love W get better,
d— informa ion
1/12/2023
1 think IF, a poor use of 58 acre, a, a golf course. Few people Solt and at the ate of
us an't possibly bea revenue source torthe city. It should remain predominately
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bpentspace.
Thank you tar your c,—deah—
Thank, for your attendance at the open house and your suggestion bH letting the gen,ai pubilc walk the course
before the next open house. I will wort: with our team and see what we an do. Thank, again.
Thank, for your email and attendingin the open house. You are reght...iH i, mim portant for the communitym
participate and Heel heard. Thank, for beinga part bH that.
hanks for your tallow- up comment, on the open house. It i, helpful to unde tand whati, im portant m everyone
a, we explore this topic. Thank, again.
Thank you so much for your repot for this community discussion about the P-Tbwn,end Gait Course and
Mountain View Common,. We have an opeah-ai contact for the Gbit Cburre that i, effective through
December 2023 and we arein the midst bH pianningtbr the future, bath for the Gait Cb—, and Mountain View
Commons. We will add your com mstir, t, the planning process for consvdeah— In the meantime, please ,,it
this webpage for other way, you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Townsend Gbit Cburre and
Mountain View Cbmmbn, I Qty bH Pbrt Townsend--gtbnh,aybfpt.u,). Thank, again for taking the time tb
,end your comment,.
zoo 1/12/2023 lam onto goiferbutldo enlnv Me openness of Me golf course. Pieare keep Ra golf course.
Thank you.
1/12/2023 Thank you so much for yourinput for this com munity discussion about the Pnrtiowns,nd Gait Course and
M nuntaln View Commons. W, have a n opeationai contact for the Goif Courre that is effective through
would preferthat M, golf course be modified minciude m ore mixed use. What Port Townsend December 2023 and we are In the midst of planning for the future, both for the Goif Course and Mountain View
--fly lacks and n„dsare spnrtshcilities that an be used In the winter. The golf courre ltref Commons. W, will add your com mems to the planning :ftfor cnnsvdeatinn. In the meantime, please visit
,highly seasonal with so little use In thewlnt,rthat ltav,ages less than 1 user PER DAY.What this webpa g,fitroth,rway, you can staylnvol—In the conversation. Envon Port Town send Goif Courre and
my preferenceit—,, that some sort of Indoor space useful for winter would need to be built. Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend Washington(cityofptus). Thanks again for taking the timeW
241 Use would probably be maximized by makinga space that accommodates multiple sports.The send your comment,
biggert problem wIM using city tax money to upgrade the golf courre Is Matthere Is no end In
sight — on,y would be needed again and again.l' it converting a lawn Into a meadow. It very
labnrintensvve project beaus, unwanted (Ing--) species app,arin M, meadow no matter
haw well ane prepares M, land (think Himalayan blackberry, — -t—gasses, non-native
clovers, Scotch broom, Hemlock and etc). Convening the golf course Into pam, would aquirea
large permanent volunteer group W weed the whale area multiple times per year. My conclusion
Is that It would be impa
1/12/2023 I think may have talked to you about this on Wednesday night The County Is undergoing Meir awn reno�anon of
Thank you for hurting the open house lastnight, 1TJanuary 2023.1 mbmitteda queraon, but It the fairgrounds and we would be happy to share our i—Its-th them In hopes oto greater cnilabnatinn.Thanks,
no r,,d,snl'd like to ask again here In hopes of receiving an reply. Is the City of Port
Townsend cnilabnatmg or —fl—I, with Jefferson County W assess pari: and recreation needs
242 that are within or propnred for the City? It m, what kinds of amenities are or could be provided
on County land that are being proposed torte Gait Cb—,/M nuntaln View area? Specifiaily,
the County Fairgrounds appear to be an area that underdeveloped or at lean In need of an
upgad, tar many recreational facilities, just as Is M, golf courre. I'm wondering if same of the
proposed amenities on aur"sacker boards" at the open h—e might be mare appropriate fora
ning of the Fairgrounds, ather than on the Goif Coors
1/12/2023 latt,nded the 1/11 community it he consultant —,
ed one example of a iepurposed Thanks for the,mall and lntormanon. I will pass It along.
golf courre. Part W dines. There"
here Is an old, unured P hale golf -- that has been converted to
243 hiking and biking tali, Here Isa link W the map.
hD--sV1portlodlowaso,tmm/wpO,o, n, ,ploads/2015/10/201J_Hlking_Tall_Map_R,du„d.p
df I'mcuriouswhy this was notlnciud,d In th,--ples given at the meeting, especially since It
a dle to ham
1/12/2023 Frstly,thanks so much for the work you are doing on ail this- I telt really good about last night's Thanks for M, em ail a nd suggeraon. Iwlii pass It along and—It for M, next open house.
rin
g. do want to paint out that neo time rt would be goad to make It dearerin advertising,
244 that there was a prerentah- and Q&A at set times -"open house' makes It mond like you can
just wander In/out whenever you want -glad I happened W -- on time. Also In the future, I
would request that M, consultant ores bigger tont In prerentatinns=) as big as wlii tit on the
screen. Thanks again.
1/13/2023 Unfortunately l am not able to attend the —mg ,h,dhl,d for Envision Port Townsend Thank you so —h for youri-put for this com mun,ty discussion about the Portio. -send Goff Course and
Goff Corm and Mountain View Commons. I would really like to hear the ideas and partici pate,- Mountain View Commons. We have a n ---i —t— for the Goff Courre that,effective through
this planning. Without hear -g everything about IF and ail the possibilities, l do have an idea I'd December 2023 and we are ,-the midst of planning for the future, both for the Goff Course and Mountain View
likeW share. We asa progre11111,.1Plduated town have a remarkable opportunity,-fi-ont of Commons. We will add your --t, m the planning process f,, —d—h— In the meantime, please visit
s. Both forthe v,taliry ofourtown and asa leadership protorype,n the country. Pieare hear me this webpage for other ways you can stay involved,- the conversation.
--P-T— ... d Goff Courm and
out.l have ream- to believe that the conte. for climate chaos we ass a,. standard for planning Mountain View Comoro-, Qty of Port Townsend Wash,-gto-(cityofpt.us). Thanksaga,n fo, -mg the timeW
purposes„not accuate and needs W be reviewed, l am part of professional sciencwbased send yourcomments.
netwod here that fairy agree with tors. ourtlhh—tes regarding timmgana e.,,t of ocean uses
are tut date.What If slowed down u -the use of the golf course so a relev %-d
remarkable idea might be explore”What If we really took a look at what,, coming, and likely
er than we want W accept.'. Give -the land we own, what If we considered thou, -g the
Water Street business up,mo a beautiful, welcoming, ecologiaily --,at, business centre
where the golf course,,'. "I'd aur shoreline became a sanctuary of another sort?The Q.—It
245 Indian Nation sees the writing o - the wail, and despite ail pushback,„thou,-gtheirwholeto.-
upthehill,withthefuturege--t -,,-mind. Their tr,bai leader Fa.- Sharp would have a lot
o share with us about their thinking, their process and their fundi -g. This„ane loci example of
truly forward thinking. What do they know that we are not pay, -g atte-flo-to'.
(https//tooikit.ci,mate.gov/are-s[ud,es/quinaairy�d,an+at , piansv,ilagwreloaflo-)We
should not wore this off just because we, -vested somuch recentiy,n,-fiartruc ,o - Water
Street. tet s take a gulp and look h_"t,y at this Iwouid also like to say that there,,money
mµt—Iabie tar bald moves. Please do not.nte this off because Itis too expensive. As I .nt, I
hinking about a pt—V and seemingly u-1,kely community process ,- Part A-geles that led
u us dec,_to take
oadown the Ei.hadams.Th„ could be an opportunity for a h,,t—,
unity can,,d,at,-. I .o aid be glad W sit,- a think tank that could do same couag,—
and out of the box thinking, or at lean consult with you about haw to go about this. I know every
beforce in this letter,, the tip of an,ceberg. Please, let's look at this. What,, this opportunity
e us now really about'. Perhaps the t -mg, right. Gatetui for yourv,sionary work:,
1/14/2023 Th, -king of ourpreciousgree-spa,,(golf courm)...Timothy Egan,-h„book Lathe Wind Thank you so —h for youri-put for this com mun,ty discussion about the P -Towns. -d Goff Course and
expresses my feelings.` N of ail W--- app reciate what they a re e-trvr--th, butmuch of Mau -tai- View Commons. We havean opeah-aic-ta.f,,the Goff Courm that,effective through
the rest of the world certainly does. I saw a map of the Wert published,- the German Language December 2023 and we—mthe m,drt of planning for the future, both for the G If Course and Mou-ta,-View
,dm- of the magazine Geo. It. a s a --p—,map, but what tt h,ghi,ghted wa s the Common,. Wewill add your com mems to the p�annimgprocess for—,d,at,-. In the meantime, please v,,,t
246 ble empire of the part. the native robes and their homelands, the.,Id animal herds and this webpage for other ways you can stay, -volved,- the conversation. E-v,sio- Port Town send Goff Courm and
their I—agoange, the silent cities of the Ana—, The map also sho—.,idiffe refuges, Mau -tan— Co—, I Qty of Port To. -send Wash,-gto-(cityofpt.us). Thanks again to, -mg the timeW
anal parks, and h, blank spots protected as formai wiidemess. It was everythingthe aid send your comments.
.arid of Europe does not have—rection, of pubilc land biggerthan same counmes, and a part
Yet to be fully deciphered. Th, -k of what should b, taken away.”
1/15/2023 Thank tar I.as at Wedne,da Ft. Words -and subm,tteda
you your response. y's meetingat
quertio- about.hether the city had usage data o- the golf course. The answer that the
-,uitant gave. as that IF did have data, and ttwaso-the c,ty',website. l have looked at the Thanks for your email. The Qty has usage data that„ reported to us each m o-thfi-om the curse -t opeator. It
documems o- the ,t,,and .-trot bate usage data (there„same fi-antral data, and avatar
usage, but neither of those are usage data of golf— ,—,I,,w hat l am ask,ng tor). l ema,led o -the crry'r.ebsid, the Env—,ahage, under --t -,ah- 20202022, Winnie two -data -trent 11,11
24J revenues a ha roagolf 0 -2 that
and revsnue and rounds 2020-2022 Wedo not havat —,, a Discovery Bay,
the c,ry manageraskingm be pointed to the data but have not gotten. re,ponse.Can you point but we do have. it ex hat,, evaluatin he course, rounds, ex
o the data'. My quertion wa sbro-than theone that wasread, as l also asked Whether &- pertt gt penence,and whatmakesa usablecourse, so
the c, had data on us. fthe Discover ea i,o. So Ifthe cit has that data, please lam sure he,s lookingat this.Thanks again foryour comments.
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paint me to that as well. 1 k -o W this„a bury time for the city, but I .-Id appreciate an answer.
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1/17/2023 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P - Tb— ,end Gait Course and
am-nngtoofferan 1fild g -d forthePFgoif course Mat maintyg—toil u,eand Mountain View Commons. We have a n opeationai co —for the Goif Cour.. that ie effective through
expands otheroptions.t ,,dfthg ,hbatype of "links "style course by greatly, th,1i-ht December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the future, both for the Goif Course and Mountain View
ex ting Kah TaiPamefeature Mroughout the tour.. intermixed with andincorpoated with the Commons. We will add your tom mems m the planning process for consvdeation. In the meantime, please visit
golf fairways. It wasthetypeof coursedeveloped in ScoHand's coartalareas. The KahTaiPame this web forotherwa l—in the conversation. Envision Port Towns end Goif Cour..and
e m em fits perfectly with a" links'rryle course. This would greaHy expand the Kah Tai page ys you can,taylnvo
Pa,,. It bea m odiHed "links"style to accommodate exirNngtrees(beau.. there Mountain View Commons) Gty of Portiownsend Washington(cityofptus).Thanksagain fortakingthetimeto
manyof Mese onthe Scotland coast)and othernatualfeature,. 2. Thecourse could be ,endyourco—m,.
,designed a- 9hole -Par If you are not familiar wiM "links" style course, they make expansive
use of the natuai environment (here the Kalb- Pame) as part of the tour e.
Hom
Thank, for such an enlightening opening publi...... on on this city prbj- Ia,t W edne,day night.
have high hopes that your process will get us where we need to go. Personally, I hope the golf
1-11 nays in same version. The town has so many hiking opportunities, pal—lady in Fort
_d_ and along the beaches, that don'tundemznd a needm put m a re in the areas under
discussion. Still ... I would iikeW make the following,uggertions, however, after the particular
e choices have been lad, -,-eat, a Port Townsend Athletic Club and fold e—mg facilities
(pool andgolf course, tar example) and future ones (like picklebail and basketball and tennis
t,, ping pang and pool table,, etc) into it.2, Give every tax payera fam III membership in
such a club. This would encouage participation and use by ail age groups. Outsiders, of course,
would have to pay m use these facilities; club members_ Id pay tar such things as ie„one and
equipment rental, etc. Obviously, scheduling use would be a pnomy. Same simple, tan,parent
signup ability would be necessary 3.Thie --Iiclub could aim sponsor joint spormng activities
and events. These might taster competition and provide fundraising opportunifles.4.AddM-ai
n could be created, but If revenue ie Tow add a modert club tee to annual tax bilis.
Anyway, I am thinking of the oveaii effect of having great sports facilities and - town
ownership of them.Congatulat—, on a great begm—gl
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P - Tb— ,end Goff Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have a n opeationai c-ta.for the Goif Cour.. that ie effective through
December 2023 and we arein the midst of pianningfor the future, bath for the Goif Course and Mountain View
Commons. We will add your tom mems m the planning process forconsvdeation. In the meantime, please visit
this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Cour.. and
Mountain View Commove l City of Port Townsend Washington (cityofptu,). Thank, again for taking the time to
end your comments.
Thank you so much foryourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Goif Course and
Mountain View Commove. We have a n opeationai c-ta.for the Goif Cour.. that is effective through
December 2023 and we arein the midst of pianningfor the future, bath for the Goif Course and Mountain View
Commons. We wiii add your tom m em, m the planning process for consvdeat— In the meantime, please visit
thiswebpage for other way, you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Cour.. and
Mountain View Commove l City of Port Townsend Washington (cityofptu,). Thank, again for taking the time W
,end your comments.
Thanks for your comments. They have been added to the log.
Thecity continues to prejudice the community against golf course even in th,irinvitation to open
house raying it was community's desire W explore different ores tar golf course. That community
was the city council after they paid $20,000 tar mm eon, m Fiooda to assess golf course. The
report seemsm suggert we wanted Pebble Beach. W, the actual community do not. Gaiters like
the dhiii, u, and trees and racks the report --d removing. The high cart had -11
$50,000 for tree and rack removal and suggested replacing entire irrigation ryrtem and ail
equipment. No ane would do that. Hence the d11-pt—'ridiculous' for the report tar by
everyonewho knows anything about the golf coo Pi—, do not be prejudiced by this report
A new ane is coming. Also nate the golf Search 1/13/23, 1'.11 PM Submission #202 1 City of P-
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Townrend Washington https//,ityofptus/node/2llll/submission/435952/2250 Madison
Street Po Tb—send WA 98368 Phone(360)3853000 Home I Dashboard I Sitemap I Logout
WA -0 Employee l Linking Poli,y l eo with good management pays for rtseif a rid pays
o the city and through tournaments gives thousands of dollars m local groups and chanties.
Also the course is `-`-`hg" three could years like everyone and eveMhing. Also since that
report in 2019 the city and the Players Ciub have done a lot of wort: needed. The city does not
haven spend much if hything for the golf,ourse but they could be spe-mg a great deal on the
H eaith and Wellness center a rid building other sporcvenues. The city just authoozed$ll5,000
fora company to figure out the Hea ith and W ellness center building design m they can hire
so mgive,t'ter_—on building it. Do we sea fly think they will also build ail the things
you ask tar?The goal of the Health and Wellness center is m get people outside and e 111vng.
We should let them know there is o golf course a cross the -1 that gets people ofail ages
utside exertsing while giving thoumnds of dollars to community. It should be their mascot. we
already have mare health and wellness paRitioners per apita than mart places
1/13/2023
Thank you so -h for yourinput for this -unity discussion about the Po Tb—send Gait Course and
M oun mView Commons. We have a n opeationai,ont for the Goif Course that is effective through
December 2023 and we are in the midst of pianningtor the future, bath for the Gait Course and Mountain View
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l like the open space the golf course provides, tails around the golf course, the pane and the
Commons. We will add your comments m thepianning pro cess for,onsvd,ation. In the meantime, please visit
weHands. lam however concemedaboutthe am aunt of waterthe golf course uresinmdays
this webpage forotherwaysyou can rtayinvoived in the conversation. Envision Porciownsend Goif Courreand
e_ lasso think not havinga budget Hgure in mind poorto discussingoptionsis
Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend Washington j,ityofptus). Thanks -m for taking the time to
i.aI
le,d your comments.
1/13/2023
A couple of my friends are m -e-1 in an archery —,l wonder if that might be
Thank you so much for yourinput for this cora munity discussion about the Po Tb—send Goif Course and
ora hbie with future pians for the golf course.
Mo�n mView Commons. We have a n opeationai,ont for the Goif Course that is effective through
Thank you.
December 2023 and we arein the midst of pianningtor the future, bath for the Gait Course and Mountain View
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Commons. We will add _,'t
oucomments m thepianning pro cess for,onsvd,ation. In the meantime, please visit
this webpa ge for other ways you can stay involved m the conversation. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons I City of Port Townsend Washington (,ityofptus). Thanks -m for taking the time to
end your comments.
1/13/2023
Inow live in Chimacum,and one of the few"moor[" things for me to do in Port
Thank yousonu,hfor yourinput for this cora munity discussion about the Po Ti lend Goif Course and
Townsend is to enjoy 9 holes of golf in town.
Mo�n mView Commons. We have a n opeationai,ont for the Goif Course that is effective through
have been enjoyingthat chailengingiittie course forover30 years.) realize that things
Decem ber2023 and wean in the midst of pianningforthefuture, both torthe Goif Courseand Mountain View
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change over time but, m my opinion, it would be a pity to do away with the golf course.
Commons. We will add yourcom m gots m the planning process forconsvd,ation. In the meantime, please visit
thiswebpa ge for other ways you can stay involved m the conversation. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons I City of Port Townsend Washington (,ityofptus). Thanks -m for taking the time to
end your comments.
1/13/2023
Thank yousomuchfor yourinput for this community discussion about the Po Ti lend Gait Course and
--m mView Commons. We have a n opeationai,ont for the Goif Course that is effective through
oved out of Port Townsend seveai years ago for a number of reasons. Pomaoly it was the
December 2023 and wean in the midst of planning for the future, both for the Go it Course and Mountain View
uptick in fenivais that were increasing-ffi,volume, speeding, and congertion, drunk and
no—
Commons. We will add your,ommerits m the planning process for consvd—t—, In the meantime, please visit
drugged people walking th,teet,,la,k of p-mg—to—, money wa rted onart and
this ge for other ways you can stay involved m the conversation. Envision Porc Townsend Goifp'=end
aesthetics that sugg dmore g—nfi tion in the works. Ten years before l left it was mfe to
Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend Washington j,ityofptus). Thanks a gain for taking the tine to
_i kin the uptown or near tort warden after da d:, but not.m by the tine l left. l now live in the
send yourcomments.
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aunty. W hen wasin town regularly fi-equented the Rase theater and
Fountain/Alchemy/Mezaluna lounge during the week m support these businesses, especially
dunngth, --months. out no gore. PF lsin,reasingly ateongm=t.1and not mcais. The
P,_torthe pool and golf course should focus on loafs, and the less development the better.
Keep the golf course as is. Keep the pool osis. Stop throwing money at pie " thwsky boght ideas
improve PF. It was a better -unity beforethetouort f,, ,ed—t—t—mg. Iinclude the
--ty of the Fart -d- boondoggle m this ategory
Thank you so much for you, npdt for this community discussion about the Portio.ns..d Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. W, have an opeationai contact for the Goif Courre that,effective through
Thank you for the opportunity to comment on piansfo' the c,rya.n,d Pdbphkty,," Iy used December 2023and wear,,, the midst of piann,ngforthefuture, both for the Go it Course and Mountain View
as a golf course,, Port To.nre Asa 45 y,ar reside ht of Port To.ns,nd,lhave visited this Commons. W, will add yourcomments m the planning process for consvd,,kt,., In the meantime, pias ,,t
property ihf,,gh,,tiy, Myfamily and lvisit the Kah Tai Pam„n the sprang, and Imag- hkt it this.,bpag.fo'oth„ways you can stay involved,, the conversation. Envision Port Town send Goif Courre and
u. have looked like centuries ago. Many thanks to M„nd,g,nous maintainers of MTs patri,, Mountain View Cd City of Port Townsend Wa-gton(cityofptus). Thanks again for taking the tim -d
and to the Native Plant Society and City for av,ngev asmall, l.4 acre of native pame. Ivis,t send you,comments.
the golf course regularly m crass country ski when it snows, which„a are occurrence. In the
part, the Pond was a v,baht community gathering place toric, skating, with a donated box of
skates on the former island, so Mat p,opl,.iMout skates could participate. All 9111, tion, ams
ddtto play hockey, -11i and jump, be pulled on sleds, and lamm skate. Th„ended when the
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gocourse management refused access to the pond, and ailed the police to clear everyone off.
Needless to 1y, com m tymembers telt, ,di,ly -d-1 Ho...... due m using
emp—tu"s, it has been years since skating has been passible on the pond. W hO, I would like
owalk on the property, It 11 too dangerous to do so while people are piay,ng holt. My preference
,sfo'th, property to be redesigned so Mat mare Man a small number of people who play holt
enjoy the space. A plan Mat„more,nciusive, ecologiaily sound, and accessible to all
residents,, d,siabi,.
1/12/2023 Thank you so much for you, npdt for th,, com m ty discussion about the Portio.ns..d Gait Course and
Mountain View Common,. In add,t,on, I made a note of you' thought, on a location of the new pool. W, have
n opeationai contact forth, Gait Course Mat ,effective M'ough December 2023 and .,are,, the midst of
Thank you forth, opportunity, to.,igh,n and forth, fantastic presentation on 1/12/23. Ithink piann,ngfo'M,futu'e, both to' the Goif Course and Mountain Vie. Common,. W, .11i add you' com m.nts to
what„missing mart from PF is a goad aquatic center (see Share Aquatic Ctrin PA asap excellent the planning process tar con,ideation. In the meantime, please visit this.,bpag. tar oth„ways you an stay
model—important full size lap swim at appropriate t--
pt— 791, kids pool, wellness voiv,d,n theconversation'.Envision Portio.nehd Goif Course and Mountain Vie. Commonsl City of Port
pool,,spoors changing rooms so everyone an use the pool comfortably). However, l would Townsend Washington (c,tyofptue). Thank, again fo'2king the time m send you' comment,.
be loath m give up the open space where the Solt course currently,,. It there ,, a way to put an
aquatic center mm..here eke,, town that does not eat up green space, that would be my
preference. The native pame and the pond are so lovely and spe,,ki it would be m nice if those
”'preserved preserved a. part of the open space landsape. While housing,. tribal, I bel—, that there
ar .till many place.,, town that are already urban,zed, where housing would have less ata
negative impa. on the green Search 1/12/23, 6'.20 PM Submission 4198 1 City of Port Townsend
Washington https //cityofpt.u./node/21717/submission/43588 2/2250 Madison Street Part
To.nrend WA 98368 Ph., (36D) 3853D00 Home Dashboard I Sa—ap I fngout I Webma,i
I Employee finking Polity I space requirements per PROS, which aid that PF needs mare, not
less, green space. There are plenty of —nng eyeso"s,n town that would not be missed if
to an aquatic center, pickieball court, and even a dog pari:. Fo'M, people who love
golf, maybe mal mga slaile,version but also opening up that space tar others to enjoy afely...
would be great The ane time stepped toot on the Soltcourse Iwaw yelled at. And it s really
stupid that the tail that run. bycoilinwood just stop. at F. ,e,t. At the very least, that space
need, to be opened up tar use m mare people. Thank yowl
1/12/2023 Thank you so much fo'you"npdt forth,. com di—ty discussion about the Portio.nsend Gait Course and
Mount—Vie. Comm on,. We have a n opeationai c-t,a forth, Goif Course that,. effective through
It housing,. the partial fate of the Solt course it should not be single family dwellings. It should be Decembe'2023 and ., are,, the m,drt of piann,ng for th, future, bath forth, Gait Course and Mountain View
a large hi:
rtory apartment building which,, much "'e
economiait build and less Common.. We.,ii add your comments t the piann,ng process for consvdeation. Inth,m.antime, please visit
grimly wa rt.fui. It„the best way to p'ov,de affordabiehousingas,s prov,ninmost ofth, this.,bpag.fo' other way. you can rtay,nvoived,n the conversation. Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and
dnrt of the world. Havea pari.,th Tot, of sunlight fo'chiid resident, of the apt bldg. Keep the M ountain View Comm on, City of Portio.nsend Wa-gton(cityofptus). Thank, a gain to' taking the tim e to
v,ng ange and some putting greens fo'paRice. NO Dog Pa r*. While Tenni.,. a fad and when send you' com merits.
the boomers a re Son„t will only be a memory. No public art. No move screens o'tourirt stuff.
1/12/2023 Thanks fo'you"npdt,htd the golf and Mountain View conversation. QuRe fiankiy,., are nott,mg to gaslight
Why the reluctancet ay ho. few rounds of Solt are really played and ho.much$$$the any of this conversation, the numbers we have from the golf course are,naccuate. We are trying to make sense of
a the c,ry?Y'aii have the numbersand to avoid thefac[sdunngthe meeting,, them. lhave put them on the website undercurrent opeations”. Takealook, ,t,sthere, wearejurf wori:ingon
ga.lighting,m my opinion. The ams thing happen,d.,th the PROS Pian. The Mountain Viewa more dig.rtibie format to' everyone. Thank, to' att.nd,ng the open house. We appreciate you"npdt.
pool could be Hn
filled the space used fara faners ma,bet(.,th larmoors
large badaii around
to'goad weathers.). That space could also became Key City Theater ,I, badly needs a new
spac,.Thanks to' yo u' effort.. I am a devoted swimmer.
1/13/2023
Thanks for your c,mm ,about the golf course. the numbers that you reference came from the Kbwani,club
sec ttended the open h, , at Ft Warden Commons. During the pre,enht— it was
and weave d:ivingint, them to ve ty, Thank, far y,ur a rtu ,Th: ,n the prate„ and for asking the quern,n,. If
'Y'ty
nced that the golf c,urm ,peatt,ns resulted in aver $700,D00,f charitable giving over the
they are c,nf,—d we will put them on aur website tar review. Thanks so much, and for yourinterertin the
part l0ymrs. It seemed like, athersp,ntane,usann,uncement, and lam intererted in its
discussion
achy. Can this Hg— be backed up by reviewable accounting? It so, could you part it on the
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website.Iti, a hard thing W imagine given haw little the golf curse is -d, Gfthe things
ci ,ens co nth:c,unty to do i, be an independent arbiter,f what i, factual. There i, a lot of
energy regardingthe golf course and people will be inclined to eaggeate, if n,t make up, "facts"
o p-th:ir position(,). Pi—, be sure you do not repeat thingrthat mn not be backed up,
sego rdiess,f where they came from. Thank you f,rtaking on what isan undemandabiy difficult
task.
1/13/2023
Thank you so -i, for yourinput for this -unity discussion about the P, Tb—,end Gait Course and
M,untain View Commons. We have a n opeationai c,ntact for the Gbif C,urm that i, effective through
December 2023 and we arein the mi bf pianningf,rthe future, bath for the Ga it Course and Mountain View
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Commons. We will add your com merit, m thepianning process for _—d—h-, In the meantime, please visit
thi,w:bpa ge for other -y, y- can stay involved in the conversation. Envision Port Town send Gbif C,urm and
After hearing arguments for and against imvingth: golf course a, it i,,lam convinced that
Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend W-mgt,n(cityofptu,). Thank, -m f,rtaking the timeW
leaving it it is, is the be for the city,
send your com m ents.
1/13/2023
Thank,f,ry,ur comments about the golf curse, M,untain View and the pool. Weappreciate y,u,ending y-
Retaingolfmurm asagreen space; M,ubtalb VI- T- new modem aqua,rT,eIth"Ht"thoughts.
Weare in the middle,fpianning torbath,f there a„et,. Your c,mm , will be added m the
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with indoor c,urtsf,r baiigames(whether pickle or other); m the land inmr Manrem, dedimted
comment l,gand made available to the planners a rid the City Councii for c, d—h— Thank, a gain.
Senior Center pool/fitness centerf,r rehab and reni,rs
1/14/2023
Thank you so -h for yourinput for this -unity discussion about the P, Tb, end Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have a n opeationai c,ntact for the Gbif Curse that i, effective through
December 2023 and we arein the mi bf pianningtor the future, bath for the Ga it Course and Mountain View
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Commons. We will add your com merit, m thepianning process for _—d—h-, In the meantime, please visit
thi,w:bpa ge for other way, you can stay involved in theconversation. Envision Port Townsend Gbif Curse and
Myfirst pn,nty forth,,community,,rebsaffordable housingand h—Ie,,,upp,,(a rid I
Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend W-mgt,n(cityofptu,). Thank,again f,rtaking thetimeW
like W see the Cama, Pale meed)
end your comments.
1/14/2023
Thank,f,ry,ur comment,. They have been added to the log.
Money Raised at Port Townsend Gait Course tar kid, and chanties over the Ian 20 years is aver
$700,D00. Do you want to be responsible for this comingW an end??? People need to know this.
We a, e eclubs rely on the gait curse tarsome,f aur biggest fund ai,ersll Rick Gare,
Klwanism be, There are,th:rt__ ents not listed that have had funder ,at PFGC. This
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listwasput together by a m ,tber,f the gait curse Men', Club two years ago. Gabriel T,nan
donates the um ,f the gait course W the Port T,wmd High School golf team for th:ir
m„n.Heal,
He ,donate, the use of the:,arse twice a ym t, the High School Cross C,untn tm —n f
the event,has been the league T,uma t.Heai„give,—t b,ut12d, h_:ertrfimte,a
year t,bocci chanties for silent actin,,„mehb club, and tithe, that mme ,ut,f hisawn
packet
1/15/2023
whenIHrstm ,dW P, Tb, end Iw e,y,urpn ed at haw many gaitcurses we
Thank you s, m uch t,r yourinput t,r this cam m ty dimum b,ut the P, Tb, end Gbit C,urseand
had in t,wn.E,peciaily c,nside” ng haw ainy a rid windy itis m t,f the year a rid
M,untain View C,mm , We have an,peati,nai f,rth: Gbit Curse that i, effective thr,ugh
n,idennga—j,nty,f,ur eid:rs(that um gait curse) are,n,w bird,. A, we
December 2023 and we are midrt,f pianningf,rthefuture,bath far the G, it Curse and M,untain View
already kn,w we have a n,verH,w,f eiders c pared t, the youngm Ne war mg
:nth,
C,mm,ns. We will add yourc,m m t,the planning prat es, for d—h-, Inth:meahhb piea,evi,it
peapie. As this eider p,pulati,n ages,myc,ncem is thatthere w,n't be en,ugh young
this webpage f,r,ther ways you can stay involved in the c,nversati,n. Envisi,n P,rti,wnsend G,if C,urm and
gpe,piet,su_H this eid:rc,mmunitythey pass, n. Port T,wmmld gait
M,untain Vbew C, .11 City,f P, T,wnsend Washingt,n(cityofptus).Thanksagain f,rtakingthetimet,
w,uid bea w,nderful,pp,rtunityt, create l,winc,me/aff,rdabie h,u,ingf,r
send yourc,mments.
th,m wh, a re service facing in this town, think the golfcurse is big en,ugh t, create
h,u,ing,n ane haif,f the lot, and the ,the, halt, a pari: similart,that,f wnght pari: in
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Tac_ Port T,wn,end ha„niya handful,f goad pari:,m hang,ut in a rid the gait
,_'e w,uid bea great place for kid, t, play, people t, waik, w,uid be a nice place t,
hang,ut, and a n,pp betty t, mpp, those service facing -b—, wh, in t-
um,upp,rt
_ "taur elder cam munny.
Thank you tar to king the rime m read this.
1/16/2023
Keepegreen. Whether
it g.ff —, t—I, ty I—, p it g Preserve Thk You Rf,,f,,th, commune about Tlgh,,, — h, rebuild of h,
the I I-treasure.—le. Th,, town has got w R a ty"'"'`ee'"ll' i
Pl11 TIeld P-1, Weare jh,t g,tt,hg --d . URI, j-, o I I p— y t M-I, t, pI,hg
et
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cam iit unity! It's Ibhg overdue
1/16/2023 Thank you so much f,, y-, t f,, the community ab H ea Ithle, Tlg,th,,, and the rebuild of the
Port
T,ehd P-are
1, We just gettingstarted-this bjel, o Twill —t, pyt � Ibhg I- hg
257 t_ and add
your _"t,to the pI,hg process f,, consideation. In the hh pI,e,tU,,
bp at RILD, t,g,U,,f,, other y, you can -y involved in the
the Mountain b eh— Vi— mg P-1 d,fihlt,Iy 11 a IIfe mefol me. It 1-t1lb-1 10 I, W my1,=Hfth,e,Tbg1h TThanksk, m
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1/16/2023 Thank you so R f,, y tf,, this community d about the PlH T—R—d Gait Course
MounMountainhtvi— C have - 1peati f,, the ClIff Course that i, effective through
11 1 le t, ee the golf e used f,1 open glee, -
P1 recreation for ALL AGES! December 2023 e midst of pI the future, both f,, the Golf Course Mountain VI
Perhaps __U , g'g."" 'climbingclimbing11�g _h' P11,11 area, bpeI, P area and 111, 1-141—mg 11 Commons. We will add your commentsm the planning proce,,forc
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d �I` be excellent
PD'e f` � th,,.,be
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modem, matter what happens t, the MV but Mountain Vi— C1 City of PlIt Townsend W-mg— h,,tybfpt). Thanks m f,, -mg th, h— W
it , ehhai that ., I—- m a REAL AQUATICS FACILITY f,, this ty, Check out the send y
258 Recreation Ce, m Newport Gi-eg— Th,, is an mg f—Ifty that fi , the d, of that
h"Y 'I t" ded, We -—d
ed facility like that here Mss
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unity, very similar the e of PlH T—R—d, In wising bid, m the h town of
N11111te,,,,m- —aerobics lifeblood of our town ., honed birthdaybirthdayme,
, the sec
ended
'_ —attendedP" participated m 1.1g ell1, 1t111 classes, bbIll
classeclasses,aclasses, -ed , attended community
events
and
d , I � —
I have R—mgth,,
I-e-111 —e-WeW meeveryd�y —le I ed W PlU Townsend
with my young family. WE
NEED THIS FGR OUR COMMUNITY URGENTLY.
1/17/2023 Th,,e,f IR
,, been h:,teh: -gh— (I e,v,d - City —---i f,1S3 MThank Thk y- R fl,yt forth,, discussion d �b
th, P-T—R—d GlIff C,e
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from 9S3 3) dho _t _'y 'e beauty—t,
y of URI, I, ., taught protect it
Ct,,,,, M Commons. — � f,, the Gl
htVie. CWe have- 1pti Iff Co that , d,, through
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—iCommissioners lilld, - and —pubs!, � hd 1 special I, f,, thethe PD_t' be, 2023 and planningDe,e m the of planning f,, the future, both f,, the GlIff — throughm htView
supported the p�and R, of our built ht. We stood d hp to, Commons. We I add y t —, , the planning process f�...... I .. In the e, please ,,,t
_d't"Red,egregiouswaterfront development and strip —h A,,,,, Ie1111e we this —b—1 for I=yl Y_ I— It, h1biled m the ,_'h_ Envision
Port Townsend GlIf Course andkh'. PT —,a'pe—I place. And -, of the that —be, it m'Pe_'isa,_hhfu' open m_ht_— CoCity of Port Townsend W-mg—h,,tybfpt). Thanks m f,, ,hg the ti—to
te
259 space and pff , 7communityk lab m the middle of t, What other community has that? Why send y
.t promote it a, , o other community
and t- t --he,? I don't pff but ihe the
=
,�ti,,h GR,e Ib,t, it cannot be recovered. The I,—, thatare being b—ght hto this
d be bet- addressedresolresolvearenas—
d and lim other aa, Please lghthe
community's
_ty', Ibhg tand,hg efforts and , to this special e and p,e,e,v, this
open space.
N, been Hacking the planning process for the golf courre property, and attended the open
haus, lan week. Wow, what a turnout! I think it speaks highly of both your effortsm engage
the community, and haw important the future of this property is to so many people in town.
Same thoughts regarding the open house, and the processin gene,, i, that I'd like to pass on to
you. And f you could share with the landsap, architect that'd be great. 1. Same fundamental
background info.anon was not provided at the open house. Sp, fi,a ly, how did the property
c m be owned by the Gty2 What
,xectiy are the deed rernicnons on the paaeisin Thanks for your email and thoughts. I will Hy to address all of your questions 1. We are Hying to sort out the
queh-1(thetrtie report on the Envision... webpage is daunnngand nearly impossible for a deeds and should have those ready to answer yourHrst question by the second open house. There are different
layperson to re ad) How much use does the golf course get now? (The a nswer to that quertion l re n on different parcels. Some parcels were donated, some pol-led. There are 10 total parcels. The
only learned thanks m the l,tt,rin theleader from Gabon the sta kehoidercommittee!)2. The se queusHon can be a nswered by the documents on the website that a y,` revenues and rounds' it ]sexactiy
panels displaying some the hinory of the property/area were very interesting. Can digital what we get from the current ope,atar. We are working ono more dig,nibie fo.at. The pr,sehht—,including
verse nsbelinked on the Envision... webpage23. At theopen house, everyonewhd spoke digitalimagesof the boards, including history is linked on the website under the -dal open house meeting.The
med to be ben ding over backwards m ay that.d,cisvon has been made yet regarding the ream many of us stated that no decisvon has been made is beaus, there has been misinfo.ation in the
future of the gth cdd"e It wa s repeated so frequently that it sounded awkward. Given the press and on social media that the city has already made a decision, and we don't want anybody to be discou,aged
m,ly limiteduse the course gets,the$$required to brengthehcility up to basic rtandards, t nopinion rfthey think,, decision hasaiready been made. The reason we combined the Goif Courre with
and the tom _ty'scia r desireformm,thing better on the property, can we just acknowledge Mountainvi,w is beans,we aw.. e complementary alongw,th contiguous us es. We thought them -
that the course's days are numbered, and move on to planning for the futur,24. l und,mznd the properties could complement each oth,r.]ha,e added your tom mems to our log andwiii pass them along to the
desire to link the planning of the golf course property with the future of Mountain View since team and City Council for review and co d,,ah-Thahk, again for your comments.
they're contiguous and pubilciy owned. But to my mind those 2 areas are VERY different sites,
with VERY different uses. Yes, there will be g,og,aphic conn,ct,I but theirares should not
overlap much hat ail. The focus of this sigh,f atit planning process should be on the golf course
property only. It's such a are opportunity to dete.ine the long-te. future ata big chunk of
land right in the middle of town; it needs aur complete focus! Thanks for your efforts with this
c h,ai venture.
1/17/2023 Thank you so much for yourinpdt for this community discussion about the Portiowns,.d Gait Course and
as glad for the structure,d-ty of process, and int,,aRiveportions of the Goif Course/MVC Mountain View Commons. W, have an op„banal c-t,a. for the Goif Courre that is effective through
dI
open houm last w„k.As!mentioned in my pubilc comment on l/,' l urge our comm unity December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the future, both for the Goif Course and Mountain View
em bens to keep th,irminds open to other possibila— than the status quo. l also encou,ag, Commons. We will add your tom mems m the planning process for cd—de,ah— In the meantime, please visit
talks to ex press their opinions and not feel intimidated by the oth,rvoices. Those who want the this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in the converah- Envision Port Townsend Goif Course and
golf course to lay have been very wcai and a re(understandabiy)w,rk,hg hard to retain it, for Mountain View Commons l City of Port Townsend Washington icityofptus). Thanks again for taking the time to
ample, atthe open house, there were ards being handed out with into on how to db— send you,
comments.
pubilc comments in fawn of the golf course. Which is fin, -that's their right. I just hope that
others who aren't in favor of keeping the golf courre as is, feel that they an speak up mo. let's
open aur minds to ail options and do the wort: to undemand those options. It after weighing ail
possibilities, an info.,d majority thinks the golf course should stay, so be it. But let's be sure
everyone feels comfortable and empowered m speak up, whatever their opinion, asthis will have
a laning impact on our who le community.
1/17/2023 The people of Port Town send and those who pay taxes to various taxing districts Thank you m much foryourinput forth,, community b—,v. aboutthe Porcrown,end Goff Course and
re being offered plans for new and improved municipal facilities, possibly
Mountain View Commons. we havean opeationai contact forme Goif courre that i, eff,ch—through
sing the public golf course land and Mt View land for a Wellness Center This
Decemb,, 2023 and .,,sero the mm of plen forthefuture, both for the Goff Course and Mountain VI—
iewplanning
P lanningis a revival of the Super Y idea of a few years ago with spa -like
Common,. W, III add your comments t the plen process forcon,,deat, Inthem hhm piee, ,it
amenities and a natatorium with multiple pools. No price has been suggested yet,
this webpage far other ways you can xray involved in the conversation. Envision PortTown,end Gaff courre and
but the last time it was in the neighborhood of $20M, given current inflation
Mountain view commons l cry of Port rown,end wash,hgtnlntyofptu,). rhank,again fortakingtheth,t t
figures this wellness plan could be more than double that price. Before this
rend your comments.
process proceeds at the incredible speed the team is proposing we need a better
grasp of what could be coming our wayexpenses for subcontracted specialists
(remember the idea for a new library? $750,000 just in architectural planning), the
real estate footprint required for such a complex'. land, building, parking., the CO2
footprint including new concrete,the impervious surfaces for cars and sidewalks
The increased use of electricity and propane (what are the current monthly bills?)
The impact to several private businesses and employees that offer - gyms with
exercise programs, courts and weight rooms- saunas, Jacuzzi and soaking tubs-
ssage, yoga, and spa treatments To say nothing of the underused and under
aintained facilities throughout this town City. 184 acres not including 58 acres
golf course and the Mt. Mew Complex with pool School district'. three schools
with facilities and fields and Mt View land County. the community center gym and
ounhousa park with courts and the fairgrounds with multiple underused
buildings and grounds State'. Fort Norden with fields. courts. and indoor facilities
I suggest this is where collaboration is needed - how to make good use of what
we have already paid formuch that we own outright - our heritage. Under 2019
Strategic Planning "Strategy 4: Consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and
functional plans, establish long-term planning, prioritization, and
investment strategies for future infrastructure projects that are sensitive to
the community needs and values, are sustainable, and ensure consistent
1/16/2023
Thank you so much foryourinput forth,, community discussion aboutthe Portiown,end Goff Course and
onglysupport therevisioningprocess forboth Mountain View property and the Goff Course
Mountain View Commons. We havean opeationai contractforthe Goif courre that ffectivethrough
to betterserve Port Townsend and Jefferson County' e present a rid future residents. Moe[
December2023 and wears in the midst of pianningforthefuture, both forthe Goif Courseand Mountain View
imp_hH, in my family'"""would be the construction of a H earth and Wellness Center and
Commove. We will add yourcomments m the planningprocess forconsvdeation. lnthemeantime,pieasevisit
the revisioning of the Goif course for better public_ as a green space with tails and public
this webpage for other ways you can stay involved in the conversation. Envision P_Tbo ,end Goff Course and
gathering acce,,..Thecast of maintainingthe golf course- e,peciailyconcemingthe ecologiai
Mountain View Commons) Gty of Portiownsend Washington lcityofptus).Thanksagain fortakingthetimeto
coseofweterandgoes—giventhe numbersofpeople who -,t given otherlocal ahem :11
sendyour comm ants.
argues against rte continuance. PT i, growing, will continue W do m, and we need m find ways of
,upp ,hgrte populations needs ecofogiaily.
1/17/2023 Hither,-thisisan excitingtlmeforMese special properties, and l'm hopeful that the
ouc softh,, process will result in some doable pubilc benefits forgeneationsW
ml
cam also wantto make sure iYs dearthat for at leestthepart 5,000year, or.m, the golf
se land was part ata vast native pame, managed by the people here. I believe that
the potential m return much of that property t paths is possible, and that t would
benefit currentand future geneationsimmensely. Native pamesare exceedingly are
Thank you so much foryourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Goif Courseand
anymore,andthebiodiversity and resilient conditions they have provide immenre pubilc
Mountain View Commons. We have an opeationai contractforthe Goif courre that is effective through
benefit
De,e ber2023 and wears in the midst of pianningforthefuture, bath forthe Goif Courseand Mountain View
magine the golf courre property of the future w be a kind of Cental Part: for Port
Commons. We will add your comments m the planning process for consvde h-, In the meantime, piease—a
Townsend, man aged aspame hike certain parks in Victoria B.C)and interspersed with
this webpa ge for other ways you can stay-bi,ed in the conversation. Envision Port Townsend Goff Course and
walking tails, benches, etc.
Mountain View Commons I CIty of Port Townsend Washington (cityofptu,). We are currently wori:ing on
deciphenngaii Me deedsand rertnc[ionsand should havethe ready soon. Thanksagainf,r I,,ngthetimeto
send your comments.
1/17/2023 Thank you so much foryourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Gaff Course and
Mountain View Commons. We have an opeationai contractforthe Goif courre that i, effective through
Our family values the golf course as Itis....a beautiful golf courre.On any given day, we see many December 2023 and we are in the midst of planning for the future, both for the Goff—and Mountain View
golfers usingit. It haste the high school golf team a, well a, the oca,ionai cross country running Commons. We will add your cath mento m the planningprocess forconsvde..i In the meantime, please visit
tWhen it snows, many loafs take advantage-. of the open space to cross country ski and this —b—, for other ways you can rhyi bl-din the conversation. Envision Port Townsend Goif Courreand
walk and- I support maintainingit as a golf course and many adding some other recreational Mountain View Commons l CIty of Port Townsend Washington lcityofptu,). Thank, a gain for taking the timeW
uses W the space. I don' t, ;:p building a ny housing on it. send your cam merit,.
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acresofopenspare are
rted to other uses." The golf sour.. and Mt. View Commons mart remainoopen and ailabie to the people. This area mus[ be protected from `— m ertai interest from the onset of
I— use planning. Movingforward tram there, we should consider pubilc inputfor community
e of the property. Perhaps scheduled are could be part ofthe plan. For example; golf on same
days and fnsbie golf etc, on others.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiown,end Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the C ty Council and planning
eam for Meir c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
1/18/2023 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiown,end Gait Course and
Given the housing cosi, that has been impacting PF foryears, and ha,wor..ned, and appears m Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, will share them with the C ty Council a rid planning
only continue to worsen,coupied with Mefactthat eventually ail of downtown will have to be team for their consideanon. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
273 moved to higher ground due to rea level rise from the climate crisis, dt only makes1-11 to
repurpore the golf sour.. to address these issues. Using same of it to became space for aerth,t,
and affordable housing, alongside reloating businesses from downtown to higher ground i,
ethical, moral, ,ensvbie, and economic. Additionally, there i, already the Discovery say Gait
Course, so goiters have a conveniently located place to play at the mme time.
1/18/2023Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the I`-T—mend Gait Course and
274 NO More Taxes. No more Cherry St. Housing Debacles. Wlffil Tennis i, a fad, the —111 Hacky Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, will share them with the C ty Council a rid planning
Sack,d- upend money on it.Jurt leave the golf course a lone.Concent-1 on finding a place W team for their con,id—t— Thank you so much forsaking the time to rend yourthought,.
build a 4 story apartment bldg. Do not bid SF Dwelling,
1/18/2023 I—Id like to res the golf course become a n open space that, used —1 broadly by Thank you so —h for yourinput for this --ty discussion a bout the I` -T mend Goif Course and
the community than rti,today. Fine with me if golf, included m that( e.g., pante Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comment, and will share them with the C ty Council a rid planning
hole,,di,c gulf, miniature goif)along with other features that would be inviting W team for their 1—id—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthought,.
275 families o,—Ilduais m the open space. That would be a wonderful amenity for the
—d — housing that I hope will someday be located across San Juan Ave. at the
former Nomura property.
1/18/2023 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiown,end Gait Course and
276 Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comment, and will share them with the C ty Council and planning
team for their —d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thought,.
The golf sour.. is to little used m I—ty it, exirtence
1/18/2023 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiown,end Gait Course and
There must bea way to build truly affordable housingunits (not just medianr,,g, unit,)at the Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com mentsand will share them withthe C ty Council a rid planning
golf cour..,andrtiii keep plenty Iopen,pace for recreation. Surely this is not that big a team for theirs—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthought,.
277 probiemi Median -range ho using value figure, are skewed; they represent only thore who —
afford housing that M—dy exist,, and therefore they ignore the majority of people -those who
tall-e-tmg ib—mgata IL Therefore, providing m ed—ii, ge housing would help
aimoost no ane who needs it. W, need AFFGR CABLE housing. Do the math. if YOU lived on
minimum wage, haw much could you afford?
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiown,end Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comment, and Mi" them them with the C ty Council and planning
team for their —d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thought,.
Port T1111111need, a Dill Gait course) This could be achieved at relatively low cast, and
plugged into the exirting ball golf course with minimal impact. Disc golf fairwaysare shorter, and
placements would prefer the wooded and obrtacie laden sections between t --banal golf
fairways. Disc golf i, super papular fight naw, with packed courses nation wide and youtube
videos of professional tournament, gamering mint-, of view,a piece. Disc golf i, also 1-ly
essibie than ball golf due m the high cart of clubs, ball,, and tee times. (disc, are $10-20
a piececwherea, clubs are hundreds of dollars per ret). The pro -shop could expand its
iitib ndire to include disc golf discs and paraphernalia, and tee Omer could be said ata
noble price. I Mink this would be of great benefit to PF residents looking for mare fun
options tar outdoor exertse, a,""
a, disc golf tourirt, who taus' ail over for great courses. It
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linking Poliry war designed well enough, turnament, could also boort the economic value of
the site during certain times of the year. Pi residents don't want m drive m Chimacum m play
the nnky dml9 hale course at HJ Carrot park. The best IS hale tour.. nearby i, in Biyn, butthats
almost an hours dme away. The PF golf course i, definitely big enough w- an IS hale disc
golf sour.. and continue offering ball golf eigvision would be tar disc golf and ball golf W exist
within a --d — outdoor fi—complex that could include playground, exertse pari:,
slim bing wail, mini golf and pool far the benefit of pubilc health in PTI
1/18/2023 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P- Tb— ... d Gait Course and
279 Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and planning
support leaving the golf course alit i,. Good exerts. for those whi, an't hike easily, open space team for Meir c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts,
s a great way fora town to breathe and i, a cornerstone of PT, Somethings— 't be improved on
1/18/2023 Asa Port Townrend native,a20 s—Ihingwhi,', a concerned inhabitant on this pi—, IMink Thank you so much for yourinput for this com moony discussion about the P- Tb— ... d Goif Cours.and
280 change i, necesaryand good. Golf courresarean environmental blight! l would lov.to see it Mountain View Commons. Ihay.logg.d your comment, and will share them with the Cty Council a nd planning
replaced with _thhgthat IN-—, many d.mogaphic, together ath.rthan at.nngto one team for theirc—d---Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
group at people (golfers)
1/18/2023 Thank you so much fit, yourinput for this community discussion about the P- Tb— ... d Gait Course and
I believe the space should be left a green space, undeveloped, but it should be a pari: for the Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com mentsand will share them with the Cty Council a nd planning
281 unity W use to picnic, walk and for the cthid— W pi, Many other city's have big team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yburthought,.
b-ht'I pari:, in the middle and every time dme or walk part the golf course, I wish I could
enjoy the space --d of only the select portion of the community who play goi
1/18/2023 Thank you so much toryourinput for this community discussion about the P- Tb— ... d Gait Course and
252 Pi—, tallow the not m voalorioud majority.lhay.n't been here long enough to form an Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, and willshare them with the Cty Council a nd planning
opinion but l know how sometimes the squeaky wheel get, the mart attention pay attention W team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thought,.
the numbers at cam mems not the loudness at the others.
1/18/2023 Thank you so much fit, yourinput for this community discussion about the P- Tb— ... d Gait Course and
I have a place a few block, north of the golf course so l dm, by it often but seldom see anyone M ountain View Comm ons. I have logged yourcom mentsand will share them with the Cty Council a id planning
piaying golf Bove thegreen space and the openness. l would also love that we could hav.mare team fortheir con,id—t— Thank you so muchfortakingthetimeto rend yourthought,.
253 affordable housing so that we don't tum into an Aspen, where only the nch an afford to live in
wn. Same have W dm. aver 50 miles each way. W, d.sp.at.ly need mare medial people but
told they can't find housing. It - t just low paid wo b—, Can't we have affordable housing
AND recreational ac[ivities� Haw many goiters are there anyway. Nat many on the course.
1/18/2023 Thank you so much fit, yourinput for this community discussion about the P- Tb— ... d Gait Course and
Tingi,, p- of keeping the golf courre in place, funding a nd supporting it fully and Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, and will share them with the City Council a nd planning
coherently. like many, lam well aware that if this open space i, usurped, reshaped with many team for theirc—,d—t,-. Thank you so much fit, -ng the time to rend your thought,.
284 divergent interest, in mind, rt will not be curtained as the unique open space rt naw is and will
likely be gmduaily eroded, chapped up t, atisfy every new resident', idea of right use. A, a long
.,idem —and not a goiter myaif— I've seen the course used by many different types of
goiters over the years. Retirees, yes, but also families and high school teams and fundaisers as
well. Please keep the course and take are of rt. IYs a gift.
1/18/2023 Thank you so much for yourinput for this com moony discussion about the I` -T n,.nd Gait Course and
285 A, a young family and resident of uptown, we strongly feel that a new pool and wellness centesis Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comment, and will share them with the City Council and planning
a better Ht for the land. Youth and families are underserved in Pi anda golf course is an team for their con,id—t— Thank you so much forsaking the tim.to rend yourthought,.
in.q_N, and environmentally unsound option!
1/18/2023 Thank you so much for yourinput for this com moony discussion about the I` -T n,.nd Gait Course and
286 Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comment, and will share them with the City Council and planning
Keep the golf courseasis.W. need W protect this green spaceand provide as many sport, team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much forsaking the time W rend your thought,,
outlet, a, possible for the cM—,. Thank you.
1/18/2023Thank you so much toryourinput for this community discussion about the P- Tb— ... d Gait Course and
287 Please keep Me golf murseas ls.lam nota golfer s. thls opinlon is not due t. seI_terut We Mountain View Commons. I have logged yourcomments and will share them with the City Council a nd planning
have a unique & historic entity that benefits so many in Mi, community, h—d-tM development team for their consideanon. Thank you so much forsaking the time to rend your thought,,
an be eirewhere.
1/18/2023Thank you so much toryourinput for this community discussion about the I`-T.n,.nd Gait Course and
ouid like W express my wishes to keep both the golf course together with dining a ng. and Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, will share them with the Cty Council a rid planning
re , the only one we have. Regarding the Mountain View pool, it i, an abmiute am for their consideanon. Thank you so much forsaking the time to rend your thought,.
288 assiry herein PT and keeping it or improving it would be greatly appreciated and beneficial to
the entire community. I'm well aware there are plenty of hikingtaiis in Pi already. There are
emi excellent playground, scattered throughout the Gty. Have noticed haw bath basketball
and tennisaras have transitioned m pickiebaii courts without any public input.
1/18/2023 Thank you so much fit, yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiown,.nd Gait Course and
289 ouid like to,,th. golf course remain a golf cou—It, an open a rid green area, is being used Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comm.nt,and will share themto with the Cty Council a rid planning
as habitat by loci wildlife, and provides much needed outdoor ill—ton for our rentor team for their consideanon. Thank you so much fit, sakin
rg the tin e rend yourthought,.
ammumty,
1/18/2023Thank you so much toryourinput for this community discussion about the P- Tb— ... d Gait Course and
I think the gait course should remain, wit upgrade, to make it more appealing to visitors,loafs, Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com merit, and wiii,har.th.m with the Cty Council and planning
290 possibly including student, with classes ats—I,to...—age the young people to use of the am for their c.,id,at,., Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthought,.
golf course and maybe get families intererted. Walking tail, if they are ate from getting banked
by a golf ball. Nat sure haw the MVC would be incorpoated since it i, across the meet with no
direct access, but maybe that', been considered. Good luck t. ail who make the final d,—i—
1/18/2023 Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiownee.d Gait Course and
I believe the City shouid make the upgade's needed at the golf courseand havea management Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com mems and will share them with the City Counni a rid planning
Hrm handle theopeatiov. Having that open spare as a golf course should be aIewei for the my team for Meir dt Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
291 andpromoted by the city as it does downtown a rid Fort Worden. one is gone it will never be
again,. took at Poulebo, the small strep mall across fromCental Mar 1 used m be their golf
coo se (paved poodles to put up a parking lot). It a new swimming pool ie needed build a new
u rt he Fairgrounds North Beach area, the city owns a LOT of property Wert of the
Fai grounds and thea are a hit of residentsm that area.
292 ouid like tokee course
pthe goIt as ie. Greato —,pen space, e ate, peacefulanda great
addition to aur town. Thankel
292 1/18/2023 Pieare a n l have a copy of this form and/or the website to con to the form that does not
requrzea qr code. I app at, your asci tan .Philippa
1/18/2023
My firs[ concern /dense for the golf course property is for it to continue to be an open space in
the middle of town. It we build up everywhere, we'll Jun become'Avytown, USA', which Mie
awn has been able to Hght off successfully fory'ars. Once we startchipping away at it, there's
no going back. My second conrem i, that itis a lovely open space in town, but limited only to
293 goiters. They are not listed as a walking tail on the PF tail map, m if thy would share their
space and allow lkers (no bikes, please) to ore the space also, it would be mare ata
unity space,wawith the City offering to do same maintenance to decay the casts them
(though that would be minimal, as walkers don't usually cure much damage). realize this would
be a safety issue, so maybe pick a few regular 1/2 days when goiHng is slaw, and open rt up to
walkers and joggers. Thank you.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiownee.d Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Gty Counni and planning
team for their c-,,d,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
Will da.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community d--- about the Portiownee.d Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Counni and planning
team for their c-,,d,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
1/18/2023
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community d--- about the Portiownee.d Gait Course and
a in fawn of keeping the golf course, pro shop, and rert ant rile. Itis a wonderfui
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com mento andwiiieharethem with the C ty Counni and planning
nal area for ren ht, of all ages, and ie available to ail who wish to learn and play golf I
team for their c-,,d,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the time to reurnd yothoughts.
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have heard the argument that Mie space ie only tar goiters. W oil, yes, jun a, the pickiebaii court,
re forthore who play pickiebaii, and hiking tails are tar hikers (not motorryciirn), dog parks for
dogs and their owners, etc. Pieare keep aur golf course for those of ue who enjoy having family
i t, playing this wonderful sport. I also would love to improve aur pool because it ie absolutely
needed in Mie city. Thank you.
1/18/2023
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community d--- about the Portiowneend Gait Course and
Pieare ignore all arguments to the c-ta, and go ahead and create wd,bfoae affordable
Mountain View Commove. Ihave logged yourcomments and wiiieharethem withthe C ty Council and planning
ho using parks and particularly a huge Aquatics facility. We need all of thore things. We DO NOT
team for their consideatov. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthoughte.
NEED A GOLF COURSE. I spent many years supporting and encouaging my two stepsons through
295
arsity golf during high school. We all loved the game, and I myself played daily at times. IT IS
TOTALLY UDIM PORTANT COMPARED TQ WORKFORCE HQUSI NG AND AN AQUATICS CENTER.
That's what we really need. I particularly am interested in Sple wd,bfoae housing that ie bared
on a land tort so Mat the houree remain affordable. Thank you,
1/18/2023
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community d--- about the Portiowneend Gait Course and
296
Mountain View Commove. I have logged your com mento and will share them with the City Councii and planning
would love to ree the golf course used for affordable housing, community gardens and open
team for their c -,,deaf,-. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
gree,spaces/pari: with tails
1/18/2023
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discusnon about the Portiowneend Gait Course and
nt the golf course property t be used for recreation by us citrzens.There are many
Mountain View Commove. I have logged your com mento and will share them with the City Council and planning
poesibilites, including disc golf, golf, parcourse,pickiebaii, and thereare many ways ti a ire
team for their coneideaton. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
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ovey and utilize volunteers. It must remain open space -once gone, gone forever, and this
tai loation needs to be open, not hounng. There was no question on the survey that gave a
choice of golf course plus other _'eatovai ores. No pool there. It we need anew pool, let it be
where it reght naw. Support Prese,,aton Alliance across the meet, which will provide lots of
housing.
1/18/2023
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discusnon about the Portiowneend Gait Course and
298
ouid like to ree the golf course made into walking tails with picnic areas and maybe a
M ountain View Commove. I have logged your com mento and will share them with the C ty Council and planning
playground. I would like to see it used by more citizens. It ie a beauMul green space in our towd.
team for their c -,,deaf,-. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
Perhapea email section could be raved for goif?
1/18/2023
It ail of you are recon —da bout open spaces, stop letting real estate developers
Thank you so —i for yourinput for this com —ty discussion a bout the P - Ti —send Golf Course and
ciearcut land.Aim, my kids wort: at home in Seattle, but they take their daughter for
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, and will share them with the City Counciland planning
s miessons andgeneai sw—mgat beautiful pubilc pools. They take herW
team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the Nme W rend your thought,
mating playgrounds that a dually challenge ail ages. They like to enjoy recreation with
theirinends. There is no place here where they could do that. It people who work: at
homenever leave their house, would be wowedIf were you.
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So, are Chetz—aka, Mem anal Field, ail the tails (like Cappy's) throughout PF, Fart
Flogger and Fart Warden piusa ii our beaches not enough open spare? I just don't
understand why lookingat a huge splotch of grass is mare sansfyingand useful than
what) have proposed,
n addition, Wail those gettmgail itchy about preserving historic land. That was the
part. Thisis naw and we need to think of future geneanons. The part is mei—m.
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Thegolf courm should be converted too --i Pari: that everyone can use. Gait is not a
team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the -, W rend your thoughts.
uniry.xide use of a beautiful pa ii: k, space in the middle of town.
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rest of suspect there are more people who would want a pool than goiters, but the
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goifersare louder.
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I'd like to res a swimming pool forsure as the—i-tone is really a and specimen.
team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the Nme W rend your thoughts.
W hatabout making the golf course halt the size at nine hales, and have a pool in the
otherarea along with continuing tails for people m bike ride and walk -1
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Currently thewhale golf course is something I would never use and is not available tar
rride on, so sort of feel rt is a waste tar me. It it was made into a pari:
walk or" d,
with tails would use it.
The tails that are throughout the city tar walking and ndingare ane of the.—I-ui
assets of Port Townsend
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would love m see the golf course include act,— for m ore of the town W enjoy.Specifically
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, and willshare them with the Cty Council a rid planning
have one sect or comer have a new playground for kids. The --g playgrounin the city
tds sore for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the _, to rend your thoughts.
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re pretty sa d andHave you seen some of the parks other cines haveyl We j-mwed here
and we're shacked haw poor the playgrounds are. Secondkeep the golf courm but add disc golf
well. Dim golf is mare accessible, carts less, and people of ail ages can enjoy it. We've reen this
done in other cities. I would recommend lookingat the Det —ga course in Santa Cruz,a. they
have bath golf and disc golf and it is att—, the town and tourists. Thank you.
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Keep the golf--lIt isan asret m the com mutiny, --g ft -N, open pace and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, and will share them with the City Council a rid planning
secs on for everyone. There is- better — for this property, and a ii the aitemate
team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the -, W rend your thoughts.,
many of them goad, could be looted mmewhere else.
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Port Townsend for the golf course to remain intact. It is nice to have
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an open space.
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team for their c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
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Any way of reducing the number of holesand makea pubilc park? like a shared space?
Mountain View Commons. Ihave loeeed—, comments and will share them with the Cry Council a rid olannine
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prefer that the golf course stay as is.Pi—, include, input in yourmrvey.Thank
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you
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Cty Council and planning
team for their —d—t— Thank you so much for taking the Nme W rend your thoughts.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Cty Council and planning
team for their —d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
support keeping the golf course as is, a golf course thataim funRionsas green space.
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Fix Mountain View Comm ons. Leave golf course a lone unless you havea vote from a ii cm—,
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that show a majority want the change.Thecity should be more concerned a bout fixing the
M—t—View Comm ons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and planning
infrastructure, the potholes which are not attactive W visimrs, a rid the greatest need for
team for theirconsid—t—, Thank you so much for taking the -, W rend your thoughts.
affordable housing so businesses -find wori:ers.
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Pleare keep the golf course as is. It representsa source of activity for many i, the community. Is
team for Meir consideanon. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
ons No, buthave piety ofametti., W daw— t,, try tay.ling
dowt— ,Augur[. The bowling alley and the skating rink are gone, don't take —y the only
--hg —it activity left. Everyone talks about the kids, well what about the aduits? Kids are
lookmg for crucifies that will not be provided by replacing the golf course. They have pari:,, they
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have beaches and that have outdoors, HJ Canal pari:, Ch--,,ka pari:, tart Warden, North
beach, Cappy,. res fewer than tour people - mar[of my outings i, Cappy, tail,, doe, that
eshouidmaw dawn the trees and build mare `affordable" housing there too? W, really
sed W keep what we already have, there are—of area, where `affordable" housing
developments _ be established outside of the middle of town. In my experience, mar[
`affordable" hou,ingi, much less appealing to the eye of the passer by than a municipal golf
course. Improve the infastctur. for the golf course and .mbac, it a, the a itis.
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you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P- Tb— ... d Gait Course and
Groundswell did not present a locigolf course conversion/adaptation idea at Open House 4l.
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, and will share them with the City Council and planning
Please consider theloai'P-ludiow).ampi. of a golf course conversion to walking/hiking
team for their c-,id,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thought,.
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tails due to poor financial performance of the golf course. Find a Kitap Sun article about the
financial troubles and closure of the Taii Nine golf course here
htt V/archly..kl-p....mm/spore/resortat- 1,dl— h,ta ngKlo—, fl-- p -
121113 3123582101h -1. - Find a tail map of the converted golf court here
https//portiudiowr.mrt.cam/wo-content/upload,/2020/07/Hiking-Mair2014 Reduced.pdt.
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team for their c-,id,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thought,.
I'd like to see mixed ure of the area. It golf i, kept, I'd like hours for walkers to use it a, well.
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Please leave the golf course a, it i,.
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c ted my dad ',golf bags when l wa,a kid and those were such wonderful hours
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, and will share them with the Cty Council and planning
spent with my fathe,.
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The golf court provides open space m the center of the community and give, another
,pomngvenue m addition to the skate board pari:, which many of us are too aid m
enjoy
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ouid love to reethe golf course rtaya green area, but one Matis more open to the pubilc.
Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged yourcommentsand will share them with the Gty Counciland planning
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Something with nice walking paths and open area, for PI"_ and such. Chetamoka i, wonderful
team for theircori -at— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thought,.
but quite small. The golf court as an open area and pari: would be fantastic tar exert,. and stili
keep the donors intention a, a r.cr.at,b area. Alm, the loci cross country teams could stili ure
it tar aces, which i, important W rapport cunei ores of the space m aur community.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, and willshare them with the Cty Council and planning
team for their c-,id,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thought,.
I think it best for the community at this rime for it m remain a golf court.
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Pleare make the golf course more inviting to the pubilc. W. so need an Aquatic Center for the
team for their c-,id,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thought,.
health and fun of the community
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PPcki, ball players are taking over ail the city's tennis court,, much to the dismay of tents players
team for theircori -at— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thought,.
I Why not take at least a portion of the golf course and build same pickle ball courts?
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Th.g.lf nurse sh., l d be kept as a sinal 1, municipal golf nurse C....... .... a s.OcaI led'vocal Thank you so —i for yourinput for this con-unity discussion about the P- Tb— „rid G.if C.urs'and
onry'sess the p—t.f d'-r'a'y. if m. rt people want the
Mountain View C.—, I have l.gg'd y.u.'o--crit and will share them with the Cty C-11iand planning
golf courre, th-n b' it. Dpen space is precious. Tum the Off-,.ver the golf course
team for Meirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time t. rend your M.ught.
. creating-trmari:et pace housing for the people who keep the engine of PT g—g.Th' golf
.should be kept as a small,-urndpal golfConcerns.... a s.-II,d'v—I
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osnty se ,th'p—t.f d'-r'a'y, ifrear-. m. rt people want the
golf courre, th-n b, it. Dpen space is precious. Tum the Offs[,..., the golf course
W creating-trmari:et pace housing for the people who keep the engine of PT going
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Ifaw. the golf course. The idea.fa blackberry pat'ho. a housing pr.j'R t The Pr.i"ts"J.ran
team fo,th—'on,id—t—Thank you s. much f.,-mg the time t. rend your M.ught,.
Indian asin. just don't fit m ideal.fP-Tb— „n d. If it ain't brake, don't fixrt.
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you s. much for yourinput for this cam-unity di„us —about the P-Tb— „rid G.if Course and
ouid like t. comment in fay.r.faitemative usesdrthe golf coarse.)undemand that many
Mountain View C.mm.ns. Ihave logged your'.--'nta'd will share them with the Gty C.unciland planning
ay have sennmentai t—t,it, and that there are-- e who rnii regularly make use of it, but
' a-foo Meirc—d—t—Thank you s. much for taking the time t. rend yourM.ught,.
thea-.unt.f good it b_gr'ouid be-much more if u, ed In different way,. G.if i, a sp-thl
takes up a huge--t.f,pace. you'ouid fit 31 soccer field, int. the space the golf course
takes up. W iM that space, we'ouid add a s,,fi—t amo..t.f high density affordable housing,
o w space, tar community and a —lly If.ud.o. activities, use a large portion tar
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hatitat.'habilita 'and'tillprobably have space left over fora dining-91 and/o. mini golf
'.arse. Nearly ail of the arguments I've -'n tar keeping the golf course relate t. sp-' ”'
unity,bath.fwhi'h'ouid be served better and m a re broadly with otheru of the space.
Th' others l imagi1,11,11 potentially b%at— ssId by u„ of the Di-.very Bay golf course,
which is onlyafew miI',away. think that 1111 Town„rid should not hold ant. the part and it,
diminishing ala' f,' i, "I"t few, but instead look t. the future and It, potential tar aur
cam —ty.
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Mountain View Co-- I have logged your'.-merit, and willshare them with the City Crunch and planning
team for their —d—t— Thank you s. much dr taking the time t. rend your thought,.
Keep the goif'ourse as isl
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you s. much dr yourinput dr thi„o--unity di-anon about the P-To— ..rid G.if Course and
leave it alone. if a ythmgadvertire it-p'opl1-9t. Port T,--dknow we have i, golf
Mountain View Co-- I have logged your'.-merit, and wiii,har'th'- withth' City Cunni a rid planning
Itako serves a, an.pen,pace.la-sure New York need, housing but you dant„'the-
tea-for their'—d—t—Thank you so-u'h dr taking the time t. rend yourth.ught,.
„ mg off C'ntai Park In order t. build housing. That.pl, space/g-If'ours'i,a beautiful part
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.f the hlai, g' of this town. I know there are certain people - the City Crunch that have a
s rangat dislikeforg.II eduring the pandemic I, which we are 11 m It 11 a,-t MY
se but the ability t. reit distance. 5.-eti-"ane does not know haw lucky they are and
feel a need t. put there stamp -,o-.thing new. New i, not always better. If you want t. d.
,o-'thing why dont you fix th, —,t—.f aur r.ad,1
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Mountain View Co-- I have logged your'.-merit, and will share them with the City Crunch and planning
team for their c—d—t— Thank you s. much dr taking the time t. rend your thought,.
Keep it a golf courre or park
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you s. much dr yourinput dr thi„o--unity di-anon about the P-To— ..rid G.if Course and
.aid like to-'a-.a inteacnve-mng fol-1, of the'.--unity m be able t. engage
Mountain View Co-- I have logged your'.-merit, and will share the- with the City Crunch a rid planning
with-e-b'rs of the City Co—iia, well a, with —both'.. Although this, by nature, may
tea-for their'—d—t—Thank you so-u'h dr taking the ti-'t.-nd your thought,.
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beta-' hail.,,, itis—, --- the tadit—.f citizen involve-'mond the
opportunity t. truly feel heard. This issue of what m do with the goif'ours' property is too
i-portant m aur'.--unity m d. anything less. believe my fellow friend, and neighbors feel
the --' way. Please give u, the chance m wire ourv.ices and be truly heard
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Mountain View Co-- I have logged your'.-merit, and will share them with the Cty Cunni and planning
Prf.ritize swimmingpooi Keep Me golf course area in.pen space—return the native pane with
team frstheirc—d---Thank you so-u'h ,,taking the time t. rend yourth.ught,.
waikingtaiis. A native plant arboretum would'n'ouag' residents t. plant native-g'tan.n.
1/19/2023
Thank you s. much dr yourinput dr thi„o--unity di-anon about the P-To— ..rid G.if Course and
I think the golfcourre,houid remain as is.ld.n't want dither in'aasesm property taxes.
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your'.-merit, and will share the- with the City Crunch a rid planning
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teadof embari:ing.ii a new spending projeI(remember the houre you barged.... fro-
tea-for their'—d---Thank you so-u'h dr taking the ti— t.-nd your thought,.
C—da t. be used tar low I—, h.u, ?), you should Hx the road,.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Qty Council and planning
re end that they leave the golf c.urm asisand rebuild the pool on the Mountain View
team for Meir cosi—tan. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
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property.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Qty Council and planning
team for their —hi—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
I think they should leave itasit is. To many ,sonars want to get there hands on it.
1/19/2023
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ouid love to res part of the golf course remain and aim adda m]ni putt putt course for youth
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and adults. In addition l think it would greatly benefit.urc.mmunity to create an arts cente,f.r
team for their c.nhi—tan. Thank you so much for taking the time W rend yourth.ughts.
children and adults to partici pate in while developing core mushy art projects thm offered
free to anyone who might want to partciI,-
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Hosing In PT is.b,f...11ya c,I-1 Problem cre—ga slhia0.n where only high--,
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ind"'duais aniive in town. We are M nsk.f losing, what makes PT s.
Mountain View C.mm.ns. I have logged your caremeats and will share them with the Qty C.uncii a nd planning
w.nde'fi. Its eclectic ange.f cratives, as well as.u,much needed ihdividuaisin the
team for their cosi—tan. Thank you s. much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
s ind— es whether health are o, retail., rertauants. Aff.rdabie housing and
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PT should be aur —be ... cancers. eut —tire p.rtentiy, thisis simply a matter.f
anng faro., fellow humans
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Mountain View C.mm.ns. I have logged your core mems and will share them with the Qty C.uncii and planning
team for Meir —hi—t— Thank you s. much for taking the time W rend you, th-ghts.
Keep the golf course as It --fly is -as green .pen space. N. development th—I
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ourse and
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ouid like the golf course W remain a green space/golf course Mat pays f.,itseif—with
Mountain View C-- Ihave logged you,c.mmeats and will share them with the Qty Council a nd planning
oddly. rec,ea—M choices for the general M,—I,a, atail at the pe—,- forrunning team for Meir cosi—tan. Thank you s. much for taking the time W rend youth-ghts.
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., jagging A N D/OR a few pickle bail courts in the area between the dmeway and the clubhouse,
achildren's playground In Me same area with a J.ngle[gyrn and other exerdse Mings. The clry
'ouid charge a very small fee tar um .f the courts, .f course.
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like the golf course t. remain a green space/golf course Mat pays f.,itseif BUT with
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addrti.nai,ec,ea—M choices for the general pubilc—such as.a tail at Mepe—rte, for running
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gging AND/OR a few pickle basic—t,s Mea, ea between thedmeway and the ciubh.use,
team f.rtheirc—de--Thank you s. much f., taking the time t. rend you, th-ghts.
a children's playground in the ams area with a �ungieg, and .the, exercise things. The city
'ouid charge a very small fee tar ure .f thec.urts, .f course.
1/19/2023 PT G.if If they want a golf c.urm, they s—Idbuy it f,.m the city a nd run it at thei,.wn expense Thank you s. much f.,you,input for this core mushy discussion abut the P- Tb— ... d G.if Course and
Online without city d.ilars.I.-Id love m use Mats pace for the rest.f the core mushy. There should Mountain View C.mm.ns. I have logged you, cam -tsand will share them with the Cty Council a nd planning
333 bea r.w.f aff.rdabie—bf.rce t.wnh.uses/r.wh.uses along.ne side, with the rest.f It team f., Meir cosi—tan. Thank you s. much f.rtakingthe time t. rend yourth.ughts.
pubilc garden space,—fl-ds, and waikingtaiis.
1/19/2023 PT G.if leave the golfcurseasislD.n't2kean.the,ac[ivity away from the kids. Where is thehigh Thank you s. much f.,you,input for this core mushy discussion abut the P. Tb— ... d G.if Course and
Online school boys a nd girls golf tamssupp.mdt. have pactice and matched There is pienty.f.the, Mountain View C.mm.ns. I have logged your comments and will share them withthe Cty Council a nd planning
spaces tar walking, hikingand parks.f ail 1-1, don't change anythingat the golf course. Build/,w team for Meir —hi—t— Thank you s. much for taking the time t. rend yourth.ughts.
334 build the p..ik the space where it ill And,Idon't believe the city is allowed m compete with
prorate business tar gym memberships.
1/19/2023 PT G.if Ithink the Qty should keep the golf course. It should be upgraded and better maintained s.Mat Thank you s. much f.,you,input for this core mushy discussion abut the P- Tb— ... d G.if Courseand
Online rtbec.mes more oto dernnati.n f.,l.ai&visiting golfers.perhaps it get s redesigned W be a Mountain View C.m t— Ihave logged you,c.mmeats and will share them with the Qty Council a nd planning
335 little smaller s. the property",_also_'I".the,rec,eati.nai uses, but please keep the team for Meir cosi—tan. Thank you s. much tortakmg the time W rend youth-ghts.
se. There is precedent for thisis .the, chis T -d Pari: in Sacament. is a beautiful pari: in
the heart .f the city with many uses inciudinga ch—mg little golf course.
336 1/19/2023 PT G.if Keep the golf course... Il—from Cape George Thank you s. much f.,you,input for this core mushy discussion abut the P- Tb— ... d G.if Courseand
Online Mountain View C.mm.ns. I have logged your core mems and will share them with the Qty C.uncii and planning
1/19/2023 PT G.if The golf c,—,s—Id -yf., 0 who golf but especially f.,.u,eH,dy citizens wI,--t dff.rd Thank you s. much f.,you,input for this core mushy discussion abut the P- Tb— ... d G.if Course and
337 Online the golf fees at.the, golf courses. It isaccessibie m them folks at an aff.rdabie fee. Mountain View C.mm.ns. Ihave logged you,c.mmeats and will share them with the Qty Council a nd planning
team for Meir —hi—t— Thank you s. much tortakmg the time W rend you, th-ghts.
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Keep the golf course, set up miniature golf, mbreaRivities for youth.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Qty Council and planning
1/19/2023 PT Gbit
Pieare designateambdert, nonbbtru—section forsome housing hdupI—, or smailapartment
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building). There could be in the section that lies along Walker Street foacces. and beause there
M ountain View Cbmmbns. Ihave logged your commeats and.iiisharethem.iththe Cty Cbund nd planning
nearby homes alaady, there by making it easier tb run hIftes. Put in some pubilc walking
aaiis
team for Meir consideanbn. Thank you so much for taking the time tb rend your Mbughts.
tb take advantage of the shady areas a,.,Ha, sunny areas. Same sort bf pubilc —t—
.ouid be helpful, br signs guiding tb apubil, —t—m at Mountain View (tor easier
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main en ace). A water fountain br spigot, I presume, should be available. It disc golf is nrbngiy
r ended, perhapsa discgth route cbuid be made (asat HJ Carrbii Park),Idb not Mink
,egularngoif is viable anymore, and there is another golf courre a few miles away; there is no
other big green space like this in town. Please make it friendlier tb thousands mare pebpie!
Thankyou.
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keep the golf--,.ith some minorimprbvements like adding a miniature goifcourse haat
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cheery but like theone in Sun Va iley Idaho. sb eimes the miniaturecourse in Sun Valley has
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re people playing golf bn it than the fuiisize course. It aisoheips get new talks iht,,,.,d in
team for Meir c-,,d,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts,
the sport.
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I'm ihtererted in keeping the Gbit course. The golf courre is a legarym—W., In factthe
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shbuid be supported and promoted. l also support a.eiiness center atMbuntain View
Mountain View C --I have logged your com meatsand. iii share them with the Cty Cbuncil and planning
Gammons br nearer wthe hospi2l.
am for Meir c-,,d,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
1/19/2023 PT GOhI— I'm nota goiter, but dbesn't minimize the fact that the golf course is a beautiful piace!Cbveringit
Thank you so much toryourinput forth,, com munity discussion abouttheP-Tb.nsend Gbit Cb—, and
up with a development in my bpinion.-Idbea tavesty.l haven't lived hereibng but got a
Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your comments and.,,ishanth—m.'ththe Cty Cbuncil and planning
feeling that this com munity dbesn't want mu ch growth, by trying m keepthe small town feeling
team for Meir c-,,d,at,-. Thank you so mu ch for taking the time tb rend yourthoughts.
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small. Thatis ane Ming that atta.,d — W came here. S—grb.th is inevitable, but this plan
would have a de anating effect and an undesiabi—pk. bn this beautiful community.
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Piearekeep the golf course a golf c,—, There are so many parks, walking tails—hat are
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readily a�ailabieforthe pubilc.Ifrt'sabout needingbetterpari:,that bffermbretb future
Mountain View C--Ihave togged yourcbmments and will share them with the Gty Cbunciland planning
geneations etc,.ori: bn the existing pans. There is enough but there already. Keep the golf
team for Meir c-,,d,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the time tb rend yourthoughts.
se a golf course.
1/19/2023
How many cities have a go it course right in the middle of W-1 Port T,.nrend sh-ldb,
Thank you so much for yourinput for this com munity discussion abbot the P-Tb.nsend Gbit Cb—, and
P— this to cal gem forvisitbrs W enjoy. The city council promotes Water meet ta—nts
Mountain View Cbmmbns. Ihave logged your --t, and wiiisharethem.iththe Cty Cbuncil and planning
but few otherattac[ionsin thistbwn. While! an understand the commons beinga main -ore
team fortheir consideanbn. Thank you so much forsaking the time tb rend yourthbughts.
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e, I don't support the ore of the golf course forany[hing other Ma n golf really don't
undemand the city starting this process bf repurposing the gold courre
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think the ben thing W db is tb keep thegoif courreath, If there m us[be a cha nge,keep the
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space open, tib development Aim consvderexpandingthe Kah Tai pame.
Mountain View Cbmmbns. Iha-Ibggedyburcom--and.iii share them with the Gty Cbunciland planning
team for Meir c-,,d,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the time tb rend yburthoughts.
1/19/2023
Once green space,, gone.... t, gone forever! Often, acnbns are taken, before Mere iron
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undemanding long term im pilcanbns.Pieare retain the golf course, and the beautybf bur unique Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have togged your --t, iii share them with the Cty Cbuncil and planning
n of Port Town sen d,
am for Meir c-,,d,at,-. Thank you so much forsaking the time W rend your thoughts.
1/19/2023
I trulyhope that the city recognizes ho.lucky.e are whave this beautiful bpen greenspacein
Thank you so much for yourinput for this com munity discussion abbot the P-Tb.nsend Gbit Cb—, and
the middle of burc077ty.l'm opposed W developing this land into any kindbf housing.This
Mountain View C--Ihave logged your comments and MH share th—.ith the Qty Cbuncil and planning
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area needs to be bpen m the pubilc as a p'.ith tails tbrwaiking/biking. As for the pbbi, put
team fortheir c -,,deaf,-. Thank you sb much for taking the time tb rend your thbughts,
same money into Hxing up the pbbi. we don't need to spend money bn another ane.
1/19/2023
Make it accessible to ail pebpie, notjun goiters.Some apartment type housing in a carne, bk.
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Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your commeats and .iii share them with the Qty Cbuncil and planning
1/19/2023
please leave the golf course as It is. Pieare please please Hxbur meets.
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Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your commeats and .iiishare them with the Cty Cbuncil and planning
team for their c -,,deaf,-. Thank you so much for taking the time tb rend your thoughts.
1/19/2023
lam in favor bf expanding the use of the PT golf course so that others my enjoy thisspace.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this com munity discussion abbot the P-Tb.nsend Gbit Cburse and
Hb.ever, it shbuid not be at the expenre of green and bpen areas Ino housing brother buildings.)
Mountain View Cbmmbns. Ihave logged your commeats and.iiisharethem.iththe Cty Cbuncil and planning
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Awaiking path and imprbved.i Me habitat—a, for waterfowl andbthe, birds). -Id be at
team for their c -,,deaf,-. Thank you so much forsaking the time tb rend yburthbught,
the top of my lin.
1/19/2023 I support keeping the present golf course area a, green open spare but without the goifrturb. Thank you so —h for yourinput for this com moony discussion about the-1Tb— ... d Goif Course and
read develop mixed pubilc use...taiis, picnic areas Expand native pame.eailarted bicycle tail Mountain View Commons. Ihay. togged your comment, and will share them with the City Cb—d and planning
351 fi-omFt tto Mm View. Keep rertauant but.htu,ingoIbusinesses. Charge fi downtown team for Meirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts,
parking if revenue i, -issue. --1 Carder. 3310 Kuhn Street
heard there wasa survey, couldn't find it. I'm -a phone. Hf. I'm Coco and I've lived m pct. tar
about 5 years naw. I've often wandered what could be done with the golf course, hardly anyone
ober goes there. According to bre eon. who wrote m to the leader, and did the math, a Haft
round of golf gets played hers.ach day of the year. Nat a goad use tf the city water or taxpayer
on.y. I've aim heard that land was left to the city to be a golf cause m perp—,ty, In that ase,
have - idea. W by not mini golf ctuae? this would be a family aurin d,.i-tion, which would
352 bring families m town m spend money, ,,it downtown or neighboring uptown. Kid, are always
wo
out at hungryossi
. —Id pi, be a boon taaur —i f economy. at fear[ ail that water uldn't be
sled on a continual basis. Same conn h— of the mini golf hales would be needed, and
perhaps rtiii some gas,, but not,, much water needed. W e marl also tthink about our future
rcapacity. Mat water could be use to m set the needs of ail the people moving here.P,bh ,,
If space allow,, keep a putting green for the dads. Seriously, there i, a nice golf course nearby.
Thi, duplicate facility is un —,- Perhaps this might boon the business of the nearby course
uat Chevy chase also.Personally, neither myself or ity friend, play golf eat we might love
nigoif know would play.Andthis i, a ga—that— beplayed bio trio group,, which will
bring even mare potpie tut t play. Ail ages enjoy mini golf And we — all enjoy this open
space, not just a pmileged few. Thank, far listening. Coco Heath P, please feel tree m writ me
herewith any quertitns
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A, the Of cturre doe, serve — people m the area, it i, a lot of space fora fe.petpie. I feel
353 the land are —Id bones serve a greater number of citizens by beingde,ign.d fora mare
diverse are, such as walking, pet walking, biryciing ha--b—,ah- and perhaps even
demoting sameacreage t high density aft-W——g.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the —1 Tb— ... d Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Counni and planning
team for their c-,,d,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
Thank you st much for yourinput for this community disc-- about the —1 Tb— ... d Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comment, and will share them with the City Cb—d and planning
team for their c-,,d,at,-. Thank you st much for taking the time t rend your thought,.
1/19/2023 Thank you st much for yourinput for this community disc-- about the —1 Tb— ... d Gait Course and
Since the current golf course is used so little and carts so much m maintain, Ipnpo,eth. Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, and will share them with the Cty Cb—d and planning
following miniature golf that. -Id keep local familiesn turirn entertained withgreat potential team for their c-,,d,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthtught,.
354 forfundairea, a driving ange, a wellness center with a pati, taiistorwaiking, picnic benches,
etc. Thi, . -Id appeal t many mare talks. For tho,e.htanuaify play golf, Discovery say i, a
much better course, accordbngt my husband wh.g.f, there and gave the PF course many mss
before switching. Thank you st much Rail your efforts towards revitalizing aur much -loved
awn
1/19/2023 Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this com moony disc-- about the Po1T—,,e,d Goif Course and
It the golf coarsei, totally self s.ffi tient including regular maintenance, wateringimp'__ht,, Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and.iii share them with the Cty Ctuncii and planning
355 tc, Man Ithink hatwe,htuid havea dim--- p—and cons tfkeeping. If—pay—have—forth.ir—,ideat— Thank you et much for taking the time to rend your th_ght,.
t pay for anything involving the golf coarse, then it shbOdbe di„tiv.d and the City moves. yo
use that area far mare pressing problems fikeadtabie apt,/h— , , a pari: like k e setting.
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The PF Gait Course and Pame s—Id be retained a, i,. Greater effort, planning, andfunding
,—Id be devoted t tp... ig up the area t enlarged pal pah- by PFre,ident,. This i,
356 hely pt„ibis as is evidenced by the way many other golf cturseall—the pubilc m walk on
the cturre at cert a in t of Me.eek(e.g. the goif ctuaein the H ighland, at Dove Mountain in
Manna, Arizona). There are tth.r avenue, that— be pursued m enhance participation "this
faniity a, rt exists. That s—Id be theftcu, of the city, not a-a—g parcicularviews that favor
adiai departure from acon,ervative "'.P—t.
Thank you st much for yourinput for this community disc-- about the —1 Tb— ... d Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comment, and will share them with the Cty Cb—d and planning
team for theirton -at— Thank you st much for taking the time t rend your thought,.
1/19/2023 Thank you st much for yourinput for this community disc-- about the —1 Tb— ... d Gait Course and
357 Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comment, and will share them with the Cty Cb—d and planning
Keepth. Golf Cb—,j Putyourenergiesint more parking lb—t— and fi—g all thenad,i, team forth.irc-,,d,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthtught,.
1/19/223 awn Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this com moony disc --about the-1Tb— ... d Goif Course and
358 enctuage fur City Cb—d to preserve the golf cturre and fur com moony spaces a, I,. The golf Mount—View Comm ons. I have logged your com m sots and will share th--h the Cty Cb—d and planning
se provides inner�ity green space. It we lose it now,we'iI never be abiet rebuild or replace team for their—,ideanon. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thought,.
such space.
1/19/2023 1 —Id I ik, to see the golf course land repurposed in a —y that ,ak,, it accessible to
the entire community and mainly children in the --ty. I do not think that gulf is
practical, or sustainable p,,p-, to, the city to su b.id- Th, land should
b,ua,d dynamically
di I host for community functions,historical Do, to, 1,a,,iDg
'�hb,�thao al, t"so and the location's aig,ifian- to them. Th— shou
Id
be tato people to ride their bikes
and walk to safely —gat, car f— community
tnansid many children Inthe area ride ""
th a , bikes and alk a,,,,d the gulf 'a to
got
to son of the surrounding
auh.,a f the the guff .— n, ,a, . upon to them they —Id
ha,ea safer and more efficient lout, Th, youth in soft tb.DaDd do not have enough
spaces
for
themselves
to beZ'�ed`t' , to hang out and have fun The do ild Ings al—dy in
the gulf -, and an be repurposed to host such enure btl— guff --
al—dy on the plo—dai Amenities geared tb.a,d local Youth L.tiy the guff -- is
Invited
y and h ... d.. th,,g to occupy on a land, swath of land hee land a qua,
I1 fad no the pan Dau a t a a major safety t and liab,(hy to, the uty. F,,,Dda and
D,ighbb,o who lin, across
a, Juan Ave, egi,Iady have golf balls hit ,to t h- yards.
People have been hit or
__ 'y missed
by rogue
gulf balls when walking along 9th
and San
'uan Others have had the , us, windows broken by guff balls It simply does not
nnak. any sense to keep the guff course in b,d,, to appease an —Wais, aging "no"hy.
They aebecausegarner
peakng the ,,at and the loudest because it is aato garner engagement
when stunet" ng Is
being
do fenddtl,,ntda the whob—
ufthnnunityto
-nst 'u't --thing now, b off he golfers
are
:y " uh a minority (,,to the low rates of
annual s, and the fat that the golf
f coursecourse requires substantial subsidization to
,,
,,a n)uThan, is also an nt- other gulf slue any on the peninsulai
Thank you so much f,u—put d—N, community discussion ab-tth, P-T—o ... d Gaff C—,, and
Mountain — C.—, I have logged your —,- and MH share them with the City Council and pl—
t— for th— —ad—t— Thank you so much f,, - the time to rend your th-ghts.
Thank you o much f,, -—put f,, ON, community ab— th, fth T—o ... d Gait Course and
View Commons. Ihave logged your comments and will
t— for their —ad—t— Thank y- � much f,, - the-:ht� " d your
thoughts.
h_ght,,
1/19/2023 PT Gaff Thank you so much f,, y— -t f,, ON, community b— th, fth T—o ... d Gaff C—,, and
.sim, teavethe golf courseasis. tisajoy 1, , here -I wander th—gh 0 the p,, ,— (I DO M--mVl—C--. logged yourcommentsand will
hem with the Gty Counciland planning
s' "" is ", part -11 t— for their t� d y�
NOT If, 11 11 ` y- � nuh f,, tA th ght,
360 h great _d , p- f the h,—, f the City's
h the
1 1, displayed
there.Th, .—t obl, thing ... Id b, Mf,,dW, housing.t" ma ny b, autiful public
,p,u areas —h,o,of Me ,,,hy I," d -td -—g that robbed
I"gt_"od"'_ff" open
spaces they
love
1/19/2023 PT Gaff
.sim,
I support continuation of a publin golf course if f a --� �
economically
bb That Is, the
contracted proprietor —
ndato be able to pay al upa'stons and into bats and
acapita I Improvement costs d ir,,tiy related to the
gimprovementsOff course. ok who the City
providing land ...
pi andenvironmental/ecological that support long
361 term
mu tipu�pbafuaa ornprov,antwould support the
cur" beingu,,d by
wa k rs/hkasaerhourdandn%raaa'�sadoforpicnics and playground
If feasible. If
�
hhg�lf�-unotb,,-n—.,,
,Ily�,�f�u�t�in,ngv,�g�lf,rf�,��r,,,b,rshipa
enwould
rrecommend t�,,Iandb,-nvqdto a,,utu.city park toindud,
playground and picnic areas, nature trails etc. I would oppose dfldng or leasing the and
for counnne-al development I would also be opposed to the city developing the and for
housing market, low in— or oth—s,. Keep the land green space or for recreation
who limited disturbance ofth, land
1/19/2023 PT Goff I —uld like to 11, aft-Nl lh—li,g built 1nthe , golf course and — the ofth, land
online to
b: green
' ` in, t, 11 talks Ml
k, � f, the giA, good
--ti hp,,"-n`t',tp'- Mat"
widely played m the --i Internis of Mountain Vi—, I
fully upp- a — athletic complex with a variety of ,,f—h— mdudmg a new pool and
--t—M -i— that invite partcipation f,, th—j—uy of — —f population. Th -k,
Thank you o much f,, -—put f,, ON, community ab— th, fth T—o ... d Gait Course and
Mountain—
tView C-- I have logged your —im—, and MH share them with the City Council and pl—
t— for their —ad—t— Thank you so much f,, - the time to rend your th-ghts.
Thank you so much f,, -—put f,, ON, community a b— th, fth T—o ... d Gaff C—,, and
Mountain View C-- I have logged your —im—, and MH share them with the City Council and planning
team for their —ad—t— Thank you so much f,, - the time to rend your thoughts.
1/19/2023 PT Goff —pth—ll Th-kyo
td Goff C—,,
online m t—b, 11 M--mVl—C--. Ih—ldy—,—im---ffl
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— f�, their —ad—t— Thank y- � much f,, - thet� " d your
thoughts.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit I,ncouage our Cty Cb—d to preserve the golf courm and our com —ty spaces a,y,, the golf Thank you so —h for yourinput for this com —ty discussion about the P-Tbwn„nd Gbit Course and
Onlinese provides 1-1Iity green space. if we lose Itnow,we'ii never be able wrebuild br replace Mountain View C.—, I have logged your com mems and will share them with the Qty Cbuncii a nd planning
such a space. team for Meir —d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your th_ght,.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit Iwouid like tb,, th, golf course la nd r,purpo„ding way that —k„itaccessibi, m the enure Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this cbm —ty d ---abbot the P-Tbwn„nd Gbit Cb—,and
Online co unity and mainly children in the community. l db not think that golf is inclusive,p--1, Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your 1-11t,a,dwill share them withth, Cty Cbunciland planning
br sus ainabie purpose forth, my wsubsidize. The land should be used dynamiaily asa hart tar team for Meir consideanbn. Thank you so much fortaking the time tb rend your thoughts.
unity function, hirtbnai reverence tar laming more abbot the loaf ,'kWh— td, and
the [Dation', signiHance W them. There shbuid be tails tar people tb nde their b]k„ and walk
afely navigate arfree community transit. Many children in the area nde their b]k„and walk
b1f navigate arfree community transit. Many children in the area nde their b]kesand walk
and the golf course W getW each bf the surrounding schools. It the the golf— were open
ab them they would have a aferand mare effinent route. The youth in P-Tbwn„nd db not
have enough spares for themselves tb be creative, t, hangbutand hav,fun. The buildings
already in the golf course could and shbuid be r,purpo„d to
hos[ such amenities geared toward
ou
loci yth. lardy, the golf course is a tartly and hazardous things suc
bccupy h a large swath bf
land where land i, quite limited bn the pe--Ia.Itis a major aft,y threat and liabiity tbrthe
city. F-- and n,igbors who live accrb„ San Jaun Ave, regularly have golf balls hit into their
yards. Pebpie have been hit br narrowly missed by rogue golf balls when walking along 19th and
San Juan. Others have had their ar windbw, brbk,n by gold balls. It simply dbe, not make any
s t,keep the gold courm in brdertb appea„an anexiu--aging--ty. They are
speaking the marl and the louder[ beau's itis ea,iertb gamerangag--t when s—Ihing”
being defended than tb daw the whale of th, community tb construct something new, but the
goifersare verymuch a minority (cite the low ares bf annual use and the fact that the golf
requires substantial s— d—t— to remain). Ther i, also an entire golf course already bn
teh penin,ulal
1/19/2023 PF Gbit lama P-Tbwn„rid resident I' in my 30, and l rent a n muc
apartment in tbwn.l wort: in pubilc Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this cbm —ty d---d---abbot the P-Tbwn„rid Gbit Cb—, and
Online ,.I' d like wlive here long term,and l' d love W someday be able tb own a home here,but Mountain View C---C---I have logged your cbm mems and will share them with the Qty Cb—d and planning
the tea ability bf that i, really tied whousing and affordability a rid availathty going forward. t— fo,
—for their cons -at— Thank you so h for taking the time w rend your thoughts.
W hen I started seeing the lawn signs in support bf preserving the golf course and M,'bp,n green
spa,: med,atiy felt concemeI that Mi, might be the only presp,Riv, on this prbject that
w ngaginginmanigI community brganinzing even though lknowthat there are many
pebpie here who share pre,peRiv„ like mine. I've --d in the,nviornmentai field in the part,
dbing,coibgiai _tt at— I've volunteered at Kah Tai Pain, and I think its an important space
and shbuid absolutiy be prererved in any -at—bf Mis prbject. However, a golf course is not
high quality green space. Its nota r,rtbr,d habitat, densely populated with native plants, that
wbuid be piayinga mare important rale tar aur loci ecosystem. Gbit i,a niche sport with
,ignifiant buyyn -p,nre, that requiresa huge amount bf ar,f,lly manicured land. Tis land is
of particularly accessibletb the I,_ pubilc; It"s 'goiter. We aim have data d --toting
that this gold courm is not thming financially. 1 wbuid live m see this land but m uses that better
s ve Me currentand emergingneeds in bur community.[ know that we have a prbf-hd
n„dfor mare affordable and middle housing bption,. can imagine that the space wbuid be used
signifiantiy mare If it were r,purpo„d for any number bf passible prbject,, since the golf course
It ,If i, a —t -t- um of land. Same of it cbuid be ret aside tar prbp,r habitat remtatibn. The
rv,y put but by the city bff,r,d a number bf great bptibns. I think the worst outcome —Id be
for this high,alu,, c, -hy bated land tb cantina,W sit a, I,. In aur curr,nt,oci,ty, where
einga t—endbu, nanbnai housing cnsys —bung btherissues, havinga golf course
within city limits i, simply poor land use, andrtcertainly has no place in a cbm —ty that,
looking wthe future and Hying wserve the actual needs bf It,
residents.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit Hello, l already submitted feedback through the survey, but l thought of—th,rida a rid didn't
OMinenbsub— re peat form and skew the results. My ida Matwam't listed ala possibilitym
th,survey is t, add a facility forfencing either bb the golf course ampul br the Mt. View
ampul Fencingis a great sport that supports bath physical and mental times, and is playable
by people age Jtb 80+(there are even bff,ai competition backers forage SOand over).
Facilities an —91 from fairly modest m fairly large, but have fairly simple needs (open indoor
space and same electriai and able inrtalanbns). It run m a similar way tb the pool, a caapi, of
employees with mme fencing experience could manage guests a rid maintain a pbbi bf equipment
that cbuid be lent tb Mase who db not have their own. Ideally, one or mare 1—h-11cbuid be
found and contacted tb provide l,smns as well. Corn cbuid be recouped by charging querts a
mall tee w use the facility, perhaps with membership options for those who wish regularaccess,
andby takinga cut from class tees. W hill d,d-hhga facility wthis a lone may be not feasible, I
imagine it cbuid wort: as part ata larg,rind-, recreation faciity/gym, sb it that is under
—hi—t— bn I hope that fencing facilities cbuid be a part bf It'
Thank you so —h for yourin t for this —unny discussion abbot the P-Tbwns,nd Gbit Cburs, and
Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your --t, and will share them with the Qty Cbuncii and planning
team for Meir —hi—t— bn. Thank you so much for taking the Nm, tb rend your thoughts.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit Iwould like tb ,,th, golf c,—,tum,d int, a n arboretum and pari: with tails and gardens and Thank you so m uch for yourin t for this cbm tunny discussion abbot the P-Tbwns,nd Gbit Cb—,and
OMin, the pate ailow,d t 1, hd. A bonus would be whave a space set aside forioai gatherings Mountain View C --I h-, ibgg,d your cb -tsand will share them withth, Cty Cbuncii a rid planning
but don't want it m no
be tab commertai. Ather fantasy I had was mum tPort T,—,hd water tam their con for th—hi—t— Thank you so much for taking the time tb rend yburthbughts.
arida lotbfdowntown into p,d-11-only, have city parking at the current memorial Heid ,
and move the ball Heid but bf downtown W the golf course area and pbbi area.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit Kindly leave the golf courre osis. 120 years radio. may not mean anything tb you, but my
OMin, family has played that course for geneations. It is one of the last affordable public cousrses
and, not tb mention the amavngarzaybf wiidirf, Msus
e at is tained by the greenspace. Aren't
there other placed tar recreation center/housing that make mare senrel like the actual site of
the p -i? Th, Mt. View cbm pi,x isa b,g piece of land, Matis beggingm be re-agm-The 14
cr, 35th St Pari: looks like it cbuid very well rerv, the purpose and is bated right by Blue
H,rbn.That wbuid be a —,,V opportunity for the kids. Asa taxpayer, I don't agree with the
—,y that is wasted foraii the consultants this town hires. The money that has been spent
maid have been used bn-prb -p--t, for the golf course. Stop fighting us and ta, wor mg for
a
us. The city dbem't have a great tack ,k
when It comestb b]g prbjeRs being completed bn
and - budget One bnty has t look up - the hili behind the golf courre tb be reminded bf
the giant debacle that is the Ca—I. Why should we trust you nbw? -a-0, the g,-ai
despair bf.streets and maintenance continues. Mare and mare it seems as Ifth, city is bnty but
for"shareholders" and ail of us who actually pay are just left with the tab. The people of Part
Townsend wbuid really app -at, a mare pa gmafic approach tb running this town. It youail
really need a project I wbuid start thinking a bouta new sea wail.
Thank you so much tbryourinput for this cbm tunny discussion abbot the P-Tbwns,nd Gbit Cb—, and
Mountain View Cbmmbns, I have logged your comments and will share them with the Gty Cbuncii and planning
team for their c-,,d,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the Nme tb rend your thoughts.
1/19/2023 PF Goif law Mie letter m the editor and it abeolutiely addressee my thought, on the golf course. the Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion a bout the Portiownee-d Goif Course and
Onli-e golf tour.. wit
ie NOT a good use of our funds. I hope the new group we hired an provide a m uch Mountain View Commons. Ihave togged your com mento and will share them ah the City Cou,cii and planning
better and mare inclusive alternative. In last week's letterm the editor tilled "golf course be -.fits team for Meir consideation. Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thought,
unity" the aumr concludes by asking, "There ie only ane skate pari:, would we take
thatout ae not everyone,j,"ttl Thisis afalseanalogy aethe skatepari:ie.33 acres wheaethe
golf tour.. is 58 acres, or ll4 times the size of the skate pari:. It the skate pari: were 58 acres,
would anyone say that wasa goad use of pubilc land? W by do we allow goiters, who represent a
tiny taction of the population, m monopolize so much space? ey the golf course's awn numbers,
a paltry 32 rounds of golf were played the entire month of August 2022, or just aver ane
u,d/dayl In ail of 2021, ther were 212 rounds played, or.58 rounds/day. It it takes abouttwo
hours to playa round of golf, Mie-- that the golf course at empty approximatiy 95 percent
of the year with it being used by a single goiter the other 5 percent. It you don't believe t , just
dare part the golf course aim ost any time of the day. Furthermore, unlike the golf course, the
skate pari: doesn't use vast sums of water, supplied by thecity at zero cart. According the lease
agreement, the golf course -jup to 9 million gallons of city water per year free of charge
while piayi-ga mere 6.5 percent of ales (or 1101, whiche— , greater) m taxes. The skate pari:
also doem't require large quantiee of fertilizers and gasoline, bath of which ou
are damaging to
woraur
en other ds, the gait course ie a poor use of pubilc lad, wld
argue is a het lose tar aur community and e ---ht ae oppo..d W a net be,iflt. Thankfully,
thesis something you an do to help fight this wrong. Please consider mb-thhga comment at
cityofptue, attending the open house toren 5 W J p.m. Wednesday, Jan 11 at the Fart W orde-
Gammons, and talking with your fne-de and neighbors about the issue. Pubilc opinion will play
important tale in the city's decision about future of the gait tour e. I hope you will make your
ce heard m support ata mare inclusive, equitable, and e-viornmetally responsible Tse of aur
pubilc land.
1/19/2023 PF Goif Ib,I—, Matthe oveabundance of goiters you are getflngi, due m the fact that the pool Thank you so —h for yourinput for this —unity thecoma, about the Portiownee-d Goif Course and
Online support, are exhausted from Tart Nme, and quemo, the sincerity of this posibihty. A pool ie Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com mento and will share them with the City Council and planning
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m our physiai weiibeing„especiaily m these difficult times. Not sure where the bort site team for their c-,,d,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the h—to rend your thoughts.
fora new pool ie (so sorry I couldn't make the meeting; we had a schedule conflict). W, need
e into on the pros and cans of each. out we despeatiy need a new pool to help maintain the
health of aur alder population.
1/19/2023 PF Goif Iwhol—a-dly support the golf course remaining rile.For tho.. of ue who use it regularly it
Online alifA'— The com munity has lots of pahks-ils,piaygrou,de,sports fields, pickiebaii court,a
dog pari:, skate pari:, even petanque courts. And we support tem ail. Truly, you wanta tax
Trios re Mere. Ifs aiigood.eutpiare,please, please do not takeaway the outdoor
r ,that we love. lte ourexercire,a physiai(and—tail)chail-,our mciai—h-,aur
-tai health,Ifai,(and trun m ewhen I ay tarsame ofus th is critiab. while goifo,g we
i[ the wiidi"that live there, have an awesome view of the Olympic Mou,tiane to gave at, and
enjoy aur hours outdoors, i_ or shine, year+aurid. W e wave at the walkers and runners we see
n the tour.. and are arefui not to hit while they are m the vicinity. I don't know why mme
have aid the cause ie closed m the nongoifmg pubilc-we often res it used by others. W, are
progressive in aur politics and feel at home m PF, but this attack (tor that, tyhat it feels like) has
made us question whether we are valued here. Golf ie the p -/—,,at,- that ie left to ue m aur
last years. You a re hil you,gand haven't yet ekpereinced aging m this moiety. I'm guemng that
by the time you reach our age you Mi better understand it, h— d aided —an feel. Pi—,
don't take away ane of the few joys (besides gandkids) we have left. You may never be a goiter,
but I'm guemng someday you'll u,de Land. Thank you.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community thecoma, about the Portiownee-d Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Cty Council and planning
team for their c-,,d,at,-. Thank you so much fortakingthe time to rend yourthoughte.
1/19/2023 PT Goif the golf courre wastes water when we a re headed for more and m ore water shortages.lawn
Online provides no return to the enviomment.It-- no arbon, compared to trees. It provides no
toad fo,insects, which are tribal m heaity ecosystems (which, believe it or not, we are part of
and reliant on), it provides nothing for birds, which are aim declining ate,-- of human
expansion. The only goad thing the golf courre provides ie a vie, which tar same reason, even
though we unded on 3 sides with views hundreds of miles across, the view lovers a n
it
m find. Th, pane isve 11 polIlt and should be expanded and protected fi-om the deer.
There is no need for the golf course m cover ALL the �a iley. There is plenty of room tram trees, a
peapatch tar people W grow toad on, and same units of tiny houses. Mountain View could -l,
be converted to apo rtments or eheit,11 — of the property could be planed with native
reel and shrubs. The dogara ie too borihgfo, dogs without other dogs to play with pees in
ages could be planted there so in the future they could go exploring and "hunting'. It someone
ning the, they hurt stand there. Garry Oaks in ages should be planted m advance the
the t g__ North offuture climate appropriate plants Sucking out the wate,tabieto water
gals is reckless and jun slily, not m "'t'- the risk of mit waterincursion. It you want m help
goiters, provide bus service m the other golf course on Discovery IIIrime people rtarted
taking the climate crisis seriously, especially elected officials W e caul have a golf course AND ail
the other tribally needed -p— entero housing, loaf toad production, and a meant
deforestation of the PN W, which ie dining climate change along with ail the rest of the global
deforestation (and fres and pe'—f— melting wiht massive fi—in the taiga and peat bog,asa
remikt, and
ell, y-le,_g ail consumption mppo,ted by subsidies by ail the international
governments, including aur awn). It's time to LEAD, not let an 19101-/denyi19 LOUD minority
determine the future of aur peninmia.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiowneend Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and planning
team for Meir c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
1/19/2023 PT Goif Pl—, consider mm e type of hybrid um of the golf course. This would allow m ore people m use Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this corn —ty discussion about the Portiowneend Goif Course and
374 Online this wonderful space while allowing the goiters to still ut,l— the course. A new pooland Mountain View Commons. I have logged your corn merits and will share them with the City Council a rid planning
community center would be idea. team for their c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
1/19/2023 PT Goif Leave the golf course Mb— Thank pl
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you so m uch for yourinput for this corn —ty discussion about the Portiowneend Goif Course
375 OnMand
line ountain ew ommons. ave logged your corn merits and will h
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team for their —d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
1/19/2023 PT Goif I'teId,,Iyand an't um the golf worm, but l believe it should remain. Golf iso greatact-y for Thank you so —R for yourinput for this community discussion about the Po --Vend Goif Courseand
376 Online aI—tailages. Goiters shouldn't have W lore so Mat the needs of otherg,oupe an be met lets Mountain View Commons. Ih— logged Y___ _d
will share them with the Cty Council a rid planning
try to not do addition by subtraction. team for their c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
1/19/2023 PT Goif Leave golf course alone! —IR t that stipulation when the city got its This was meantto nay Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this corn —ty discussion about the Portiowneend Goif Courseand
377 Online what it is -a GOLF COURSE, PUT ALLTH E CALIFORNIA ELSEWH ERE. Mountain View Commove. I have logged your corn mento and will share them with the City Council a rid planning
team for their c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
1/19/2023 PT Goif Iwouid like to res the PT golf courre property adapted into something that the whole comm unity Thank you so much for yourinput for this corn —ty discussion about the Portiowneend Goif Courseand
370 Online c and not just the small !but wcai)part ofthe corn —ty that actually g.II It would boa Mountain View Commove. I have logged your comments and will :h— ,,thth, Cty Council a rid planning
great loation to buiida new community swim mi ng pool a rid athieticfacilay a rid also a public team f—h—c—d—t— Thank you so much fo,takingthe timeto rend yourthoughte.
park.
1/19/2023 PT Golf Keep the golf course. Once you let it go it's gone forever. It's part of whatmakes P-T—IReend Thank you so —R for yourinput for this corn —ty discussion about the Portiowneend Golf Courseand
Online unique, like having a state pari: in the city limns. Develop oleo s, thatp,o-,sore,incentive for Mountain View Commove. I have logged your corn mento and will share them with the City Council a rid planning
the opeato, to invertin improvements. A short term leasedoem't provide adequate time for the team for their c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thought,
opeato, to recoup money spent—p,ovemente (which end up belonging to the city). Encourge
the opeato, to add thingethat would bring mare young people to use the golf course ie toot
379 (sac er golf). Fui I III obhgation of providing needed irrigation materials and parts. Have a
eliding wilt,, revenue sharingW incept—the opeato, to increase business snd revenue.
"Uh, opeamr share in the Main Street/city —Ilike other P
business can. eople wiiiepend
m ney in town and on lodging not just on golf Develop the Mountain View property fo,an
aquatic/ community health site.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit I-.giy f—, the golf courre area becoming, pubilc pari: with tails for hiking,ndbiking and Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion a bout the P - Tb— "end Gbit Course and
Online me picnic areasect. I bften bi I, up San J urn then up F t tto th-0 to Tremont at Panes Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged you, comments and will share them with the Cty Cb—d and planning
380 c5treet.Iwbuidsaythat g--Ily l see more people on thatshort tail Man lsee on Me whole e,m for Meir renndeal—Thank you so much f,, -mg Me Nme to rend your thought".
golf courre. Far szfety reasons golf dints" l—blume use but even so it a ppe,r" to me that the
hiking tail i" mare popular than golf,
1/19/2023 PF Gbit PI—, leave the golf course as open spare.Nbbigbuiidmg, or p-mgiot". If it annotconh— Thank you so much toryourinput for this com moony d ---about the P - Tb— "end Gbit Courseand
381 Online ", golf courseI "tabilsh"om e walking tails, maybe one for off leash dog".Th, pool should not Mountain View Commons. Ihave togged your comments and will share them with the Qty Counni a rid planning
be moved. It we need a bigger pool, build ane. team for Meir—hi—t— Thank you so much fo, taking Me time W rend your thought".
1/19/2023 PF Gbit KEEP THE GOLF CGUESEI III Thank you so much for yourinput for this rem moony d ---about the P - Tb— "end Gbit Courseand
382 Online Mountain View Commons. I have logged you,comment" and will share them with the Qty Counni a rid planning
team for Meir—hi—t— Thank you so much fo, taking Me time W rend your thought".
1/19/2023 PF Gbit Pnomie" for the Gbit Course. Maintain or expand the pame with the Native Plant Sonetyand Thank d yoght
youso—I,toryourinput fo,thi" rem moony did---d---about the P - Tb— "end Gbit Courseand
Online S'Kiail,m Tribe", Maintain and prererve S -t—1 Rock and Statue, Continue to have a golf courre, Mountain View Commons. Ihave togged your1-11t"and will share them withthe Cty Counni a rid planning
but modity it tar speedier pand make room tomo,,, tails with -,-Khabitat on the NE side. team for Meir—hi—t— Thank you so much fo, taking Me time to renurthou".
3&3 Requerta government to golay vernme.tconsuitation with the Jamerto.n S'iail,m and Part
Gamble Tribe"to inquire Iftheywouid manage the golf courre. W ouid there be a way to deed
mem the land once it i" Mev, anyway?
1/19/2023 PF Gbit Keep the golf c,—easisl Thank you so much toryourinput for this com moony d ---about the Po Tb—end Gbit Courseand
384 Online Mountain View Commons. I have logged you,comment" and will share them with the Cty Counni a rid planning
team for Meir—hi—t— Thank you so much fo, taking Me time to rend your thought".
1/19/2023 PF Gbit I would like to ree a hybridincluding a smaller footprint golf course minus the dmingrange with Thank you so much toryourinput for this com moony d ---about the Po Tb—end Gbit Courseand
385 Online pubilc spacein 1 -mg a n outdoor a mpith--,, a covered pavih.-d—II,mgpath, that Mountain View Commons. Ihave togged your comment" and will share them with the Qty Counni a rid planning
ne se—mg neighborhood tali(") through Me present goifcourse holding with Kai Thai team for Meir—hi—t—Thank you so much fo, taking Me Nme W rend your thought".
lagoon.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit It would be of great be-fi t m the com moony—and Me region— If the golfcourse lands" u" ed Thank you so much toryourinput for this com moony d ---about the Po Tb—end Gbit Courseand
Online for housing 11, envision and—I— a development.,th -—e- oaondo"with green space Mountain View Commons. Ihave togged your comment" and will share them with the Qty Counni a rid planning
386 and tails. a place where nonv✓e,ithy families, couples andsingies can afford t, live. The Nme has team for Meir—hi—t— Thank you so much fo, taking Me Nme W rend your thought".
me for this. we mor[ not ciingm somethingthe golf course, fur[ beau", It, been around a
longtime. ree a bright future m Po T,—end, but only If a variety of people a n H rid purest,
1/19/2023 PF Gbit Our pn—tyi" affordable housing. It h,m't alwaysbeen" o, but the people weinter,nwith —t Thank you so much toryourinput for this com moony d ---about the Po Tb—end Gbit Courseand
Online affordmi—here m many cases. We also p,iom— open spares and nature, bora golf courre i" Mountain View Commons. Ihave togged your comment" and will share them withthe Cty Counni a rid planning
387 ur idea of an open space. The better the gol�c,—e,thele""itre"embie"whatwe treasure. team for Meir—hi—t—Thank you so much fo, taking Me -e W rend yourbought".
we —,,e same people use it tar recreation and are —,W not support it.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit Many more issues W consider for ournty,Pet project" are bunch Me—e—this managed Thank you so much toryourinput fo, this rem moony d ---about the Po Tb—end Gbit Courseand
388 Online area,lonel Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged your comment" and will share them with the Qty Counni a rid planning
team for Meir—hi—t— Thank you so much fo, taking Me -e W rend your thought".
1/19/2023 PF Gbit It'"im portant that .,supp- and encouage the loaf business es that make PF what h, We Thank you so much toryourinput for this com moony d ---about the Po Tb—end Goif Courseand
Online he,, ften that people.ho have grown up here,nd—b here can't afford miivehere.We're Mountain View Commons. Ihave togged your comment" and will share them with the Cty Counni a rid planning
389 med Mat.agesdon't cover com mute corn let a lone the cart- here. The golf course team for Meir—hi—t—Thank you so much fo, taking Me Nme to rend your thought".
is ref,, the few that seem W ureIt, but that shouldn't inmy opinion be a Qty pnomy. Housing
sed, W be.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit I.-Idlove W keep the greenspareand recreational area of a golf course. Perhaps If—Amg Thank you so much toryourinput for this com moony d ---about the Po Tb—end Gbit Courseand
390 Online pathwaysurrounding thearea.iMr[opsforexeainngrtations would beus00 to Me health of Mountain View Commons. Ihave togged your comment" and will share them with the Cty Counni a rid planning
thiscommunity.I cannot ree, oath,, use for the low lands there. team for Meir—hi—t—Thank you so much fo, taking Me Nme W rend your thoughts.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit Myhigh,,tp—tyi,thmthemyh,",".imming pool similar to the new one m P -Angeles. Thank you so much toryourinput fo, this rem moony d ---about the Po Tb—end Gbit Courseand
Online tap sw—mgi, available ail the -e (e—pt dunngies"on" o,.hen s.imte,m i" panicing), Mountain View Commons. Ihave togged you, remment",rid whish,,, them with the Cty Counni --
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391 there iso large HOT TUB, areata,children, and mu ch doesn't—,hi--Money spent ono team to,Meir—hi—t—Thank you so much to, taking Me -e W rend you, bought".
pool .-Id take precedence aver other changes.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit I.—Id like to ree the PF golf courre converted m enable moa use by the com moony. Bike the Thank you so much toryourinput fo, this rem moony discusnon about the Po Tb—end Gbit Courseand
392 Online idea of a redengned golf c,—e.iM walking tail" that isaccessiWe to ail. Andl hope that the M —t—View Comm ons. I have logged you,comment" and will share them with the Cty Counni a rid planning
redengn could make the course les" of,water-hog. We need me—,—our water. team to,Meir—hi—t—Thank you so much to, taking Me Nme W rend you, thought".
1/19/2023 PF Gbit W. would like to see the golf courre asa city pari: with waikingpath,anda piayg--Thi, way Thank you so —h for yourinput for this com moony discussion about the P-Tb.R... d Gbit Course and
393 OHh- it iso space torah tb.Rjoy. M—t—View Cb—oris. I have logged your comm sotsand. ill share them with the Qty Cbuncil a Rd planning
team for Meir c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your th-ght.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit Pleare retain the golf course...)db RotpIay golf but l like th, idea that people who h—piay,d Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this com moony discussion abbot the P-Tb.R... d Gbit Cburseand
394 .Hh- there foryarsareabie tb continuetheirpiayFui ac[wiry.ltwouid be liketakingawaya ski hiii....l Mountain View Cbmmbns. Ihave togged yourcommentsand will share them with the Cty Cbuncil a Rd planning
us ed tb live neara ski hill iR Cana da and was bi....d tb have my ib—fsport raliz.d, team for Meirc—d---Thank you so much for taking the-:: rend your th_ght.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit leave the golf c,—,Mb-W. already haveplenty bf pari:, a Rd green spaces. l a..h.r. Thank you so —R foryourin tforth,, com moony discussion aboutth,P-T—IR... d Gbit Cburseand
395 .Hh- building haus.. there was being discussed.Ther. are plenty If open area, tbuiid. It you decide Mountain View C--Ihave logged your1-11t,a,d will share them.ithth, Cty Cbuncil --
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wdestroy the golf course,there's no gingbackfrbm that d,ci,_Db,
I'm nota goiter. team for Meirc—d---Thank you so much for taking the Nme tb rend yburthbught.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit Pleare H Rd a way t ---t, —te a golf courseand —,—M facilities. Stop th,polanzh. bf Thank you so much tbryourinput tbrthis community discus—abbot the P-Tb.R... d Gbit Cburseand
396 Online one or the other Mountain View C --I have logged your com merit,and. ill share them with the Qty Cbuncil a Rd planning
team for Meir —d—t— Thank you so much for taking the h—W rend your th-ght,.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit lamvery much iht.... - m keeping theland by -R, Green Space. There i, d—diinggreen Thank you so much tbryourinput forthis community discus—abbot the P-Tb.R... d Gbit Cburseand
.Hh- space m PF a Rd what remains need, W be prererved bre ire we will tum int—q—,which we Mountain View Cbmmbns. Ihave logged your comment, and will share them with the Qty Cbuncil a Rd planning
397 nth,way.I.-Idprefer the com mons built bR the.xi,HRgMbumai—. Site. Perhapsa team for Meirc—d---Thank you so much f,, -mg the Nme W rend your th-ght,,
tail around the golf course a, bR the NE SI DE CAN BEE%PANDED SD non GOLFERS can use it.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit Pleare, please please tum the golf c,—,l—into a community green sp-,-th--Ligand Thank you so much tbryourinput for this community discus—abbot the P-Tb.R... d Gbit Cburseand
.Hh- blk.path,,exert,. t gth raining equipment, playground and exp-dth, pam. a Rd..Nand Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your 1-11t, an MH share th—.ith the Qty Cbuncil a Rd planning
,pace If P—ibis. Wed -'t Reed tb ruff a—yloo, goifrours. Mat es.„a few families, team for Meirc—d---Thank you so much f,, -mg the Nme W rend your th-ght,.
398 Rbrdinat amount bf water, and worse,poimnbus weed killing p.trbch--I,.
URft__tely, the golf courseim't used by buxom —ty a rid i, Rot a da. W t--either.A
b'_'I park_Id enhance q Iaybf lite for Mb,. who live here and for Mb,. who visit. Thank
you.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit There is very little forchiid—tb db m Port T, --d and l feel they Reed t be th,focu, bf bur Thank you so much tbryourinput for this community discus — abbot the P-Tb.R... d Gbit Cburseand
399 OMine a on. Skating,swimming, Jump pari:, anything where they a R get bothmd—and outdoor Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your com-t,and.iii share th—.ith the Qty Cbuncil a Rd planning
exerci,.andfuR.E,p.ciailyb IdfMh—.in--hyRight.Aiibfthi,--, be affordable. team for theirc—d---Thank you so much f,, -mg the Nme W rend your thought,.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit Keep as it i,. Or, rebuild a, pari:, play ground. Thank you so much tbryourinput for this community discus—abbot the P-Tb.R... d Gbit Cburseand
40D Offline Mountain View C --I have logged your com -t, an MH share th—.ith the Qty Cbuncil a Rd planning
team for their —d—t— Thank you so much f,, -mg the h—W rend your thought,.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit W.. -Id like tb... th, golf courre land r.pu —dll Keep the little r. --,, k..pth, Thank you so much tbryourinput for this community discus—abbot the P-Tb.R... d Gbit Cburseand
.Hh- land/gra„/tail "as i, M-gSan Juan Rd and around the duckp_dbut a dd mmeb.Rch,,.Keep Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your --t, share th—.ith the Qty Cbunciland planning
the driving,ng,as..ii. Allminiature golf course forseniors, teens,hmlliesand visimrstb team for M,ircon,id---Thank you so much f,, -mg the Nme W rend your thought,.
the ara...FUNi Use Pti,wnrend icons at each hale (ie the portbffi ce, Me courthouse, the
)'barye a terry boatyou get the idea) Df course charge a feet,, this. Chao,. — of the land woffer spaces fora tiny homecommunity( the 4DO,q ft home, with b,drz bath, kitchen, living,
dining poah...bn foundanbns,landsaping) NOT the little homeless shelter kind, Folks buy a tiny
401 lot tbput their ham— Ai,o add a doggie pari: area tar play with frisbees, balls etc. And the reit
s a pari:wiM tables/benches/ BBQ', and swings/slides/etc.....(,,- like Chl,—ka
hasJDesignated Bike tails could be added here and there mo. Sb fun tar EVERYONE. Should be
handy app” accessible. Thank, tbraii your wort: bn this. It the pool gets--th,r....bk OR
keep the pbbi where t i, but upgraded and then build aR enclosed brfdgep.d,.-h/bike
walkway OVER Blaine wthe pari: a, d,.cr,b.d..-CGGLI Thank you fo,y—wort: bR this and
reaching but tb the community for input.
1/19/2023 PF Gbit i iRf—, bf keeping the golf course a R bpen space.1111 1—hy focuredpreserve and Thank you so much tbryourinput for this community discussion abbot the Port T-1111 Gbit Cb—,and
.Hh- park.tt should utilize the.coibgiai features while increasing pI—mg—dincorp—hhgan Mountain View C --I have logged Y__ _d
will share th—.ith the Qty Cbuncil a rid planning
agric[uituaicomponent with bahard,, food tares[ -a long plan ofth, community and the city. - team for their c-,id.at,-. Thank you so much f,, -mg the h—tb rend your thoughts.
402 also in favor bf keeping golf courre elements. ideally ifthat was Me ase —e of the land cbuid
be —df, --d mixed use community prb�ectsiike those mentioned above. it should by rib means be
developed away ft. op.R,pac, and ecoibg,,M ryrte—
1/19/2023 PF Goif leave the golf courseas It Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this community discussion a bout the P - Tb— send Goif Course and
403 Online Mountain View Commons. Ih—togged your comments and will share them with the Qty Council a rid planning
team for Meir c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
1/19/2023 PF Goif leave the golf courseasIt currently,,. Fix what needs H —g. Promote PFasa pure mv,sit,shop, Thank you so much for yourinput for this com —ty discussion about the P - Tb— send Goif Courseand
404 Online —, stay and golf at a baut,I c,—,m the heart of town. Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, and willshare them with the Qty Counni a rid planning
team for their —d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
1/19/2023 PF Goif Ido not f—, development of the golf cours, l am not a goiter, but l think that op—pace is Thank you so much for yourinput for this com —ty discusnon about the P - Tb— send Goif Courseand
405 Online important And once,Ys built upon, It s goneforever. Surely there are otherspots that—be Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Qty Counni a rid planning
used forhounng�wh,ch l know„ needed) without 2 king a way th--sty. team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthoughts.
1/19/2023 PF Goif Goifasa recreational—,,ty has b—m decline for 21 years. For the few oidergoifers that nisi Thank you so much for yourinput for this com —ty discusnon about the Port T -111d Goif Courseand
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port —1—The anuai number of peoplethat could are this space for Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com mems and will share them with the Qty Counni a rid planning
406 deo- m the future far outweighs the declining fewanuai players. Preserv,ngand rertoring this team for their ,,,,d t,,,, Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thought,
space„aur awn little `Cental” pari: torah t, enjoy.
1/19/2023 PF Goif I would support any way to allow acres to this community owned parcel magratemumber of Thank you so much for yourinput for this com —ty discusnon about the Port T -111d Goif Courseand
407 Online peOPII,-t just goIters.Id-t obiect W 9.1f, It s jun thatit appears th-h...areI, t enough Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com mems and will share them with the Qty Council a rid planning
goifersm jurtity m ono Il—g this tremendous community a net. team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
1/19/2023 PF Goif the golf course should not be acrifl- W unknown pians the wellness center -If u,It — be Thank you so much for yourinput for this com —ty d ---about the P - Tb— send Goif Courseand
400 Online placed - the mounta,nview land. Have a vote by the people. present the anuai fans to the Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them withth, Qty Council a rid planning
community& then abide by —0. the people will have spoken. team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthoughts.
1/19/2023 PF Goif I do not want to see the gold course t, be continued. It should be used,na way Mat—beneH t Thank you so much for yourinput for this com —ty d ---about the P - Tb— send Goif Courseand
409 Online many more people. For example. panRarea,a tali ,, disc golf course, �MkybO, both, bail. It Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com mems and will share them with the Qty Council a rid planning
— hold a lot of different things. A golf course,, a waste of space. team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
1/19/2023 PF Golf In f—, of SAVI NG TH E GOLF COURSE AS IT IS. Green space lost, gone forever Climatech-g, Thank you so much for yourinput forth,, —unity discusnon about the P - Tb— send Golf Courseand
Online hasoared songbird loss,s,n theions, and the golf course pond a rid adj—m9f--ys/roughs Mountain View Common,. I have logged your com mems and will share them with the C ty Counciland planning
invaluabieresourcesthat are not dupilated M Kah Ta,. Just for bird habitat ala" It should team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend ybur thoughts.
heavedundisturbed. Th,,,, an aging com mun,ty. The likdffi-d that mare seniors will take up,
to,goIfasa way of keep,n fit„high. It„v,Wly,m portant t, havea com —t,
nted,I— cart facility mailable for them. Yes Mere are other courses nearby, but Part
Wdiow„very expensive, and Chevy Chase/Discovery eay,s,,n my experience, very unrei,abie-
410 often poorly ma,nta,ned, with poor da,nage. Our course has da,nage probiems,n oniyone area,
eaniy woed around. Finaily,this,sa golf courre witha wondertui I—, of support for young
people -dgoif D,,k Hausmann, who recently passed away, wasfamousiy generous to
kid,(, olden son included) who couldn't afford green tees. Dick and son Paui p-houands and
thouands of -,,d h—, mto keeping the course maintained. eeforethe Joe Welch was
likewise supporitve of young golfers and neophytes. Th„legs has a value t, the —unity that
supersedes mere economics. ,t„part of what-- out town a true community.
1/19/2023 PF Goif A parkin W benches for aids talks t, s,t and listen to the frogs. Perhaps a japane,egarden partA Thank you so much for yourinput for this com —ty discusnon about the P - Tb— send Goif Course and
411 Online few picnectabiesa sheiteriik, at chetamoka. Path,for—II, gapiayground area tort he young Mo -m View Common,. I have logged your com meritsand wi11 share them with the Qty Council a rid planning
talks. A park) II II Please team for their consideanon. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
1/20/2023 PT Gbit
I think the Port Townrend Gbit Course i, a very important part bimaintaininganenvirbnmentai Thank you so much for yourinput for this com mdnity discussion about the Portibwn„nd Gbit Course and
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positive recreation area forindivid-I, td meet and Theon. I maid, this spk,, non-
Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your com mems and will share them with the Cty Cbdn,ii and planning
developed spacethat supports us maintaining natdai surroundings forpedpl, td enjoy, hove
team for Meir consideanbn. Thank you so much for taking the time td rend your Mbught,
wat,h,dg ihdividuai, play golf as they —k. with the goif,odrs,. Having green spares m bur
community i, important and necessary tar keeping abalan„ with the natuai environment and
unity development. The Mountain View C --,i, also a special place that supports
a rvi es foaomm unity m embers mintean.l have used that lb-,- during the part years
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any fronts meeting-th students tar weekly classes with the ICE Prbgam ( Naw OCEAN) m
It Iearly days within the PTSD #50, —hi, ciassrbom to supporta 4H club activity bn angular
basis and supporting ndd,nts leamingtb swim atthe community pool. Aiithese anivit- helped
ct children and youths aniviti„thatinspired th,mandhelped them learn td be part
ata team. -, keep Mi, area aisb an asset td h,iponn„t members bf aur community at all
different ages. Thanks for your support td keep there places viable m today's world.
1/20/2023 PT Gbit
I think the golf dd—should nay as a golf course.
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Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your comments and willshare them with the Cty Cbunni and planning
team for their co—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the Nme tb rend your thoughts.
1/20/2023 PT Gbit
I'm a PoH ibwn„rid rend,nt who'd like td see the golf course made into a pubilc green,pa„
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that serves the pubilc m a brbad,rway than a golf codrre does. The native p---ght be
Mountain View C --I have logged your comments and will share them with the Qty Cbunni and planning
,xpand,d, ga„could be changed over td greenery that re quires less --,,an area fora
team for their co—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the h— td rend your Mbdght,,
children's playground "tab""”' etc.
1/20/2023 PT Gbit
Please keep the golf codrre a,It--1 The Portibwn„rid Gbit Cbdrre i, the oniypiayabi,(dry)
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nth,area. The turf at Discovery Bay and Port Wdiowi, very wet m the winter
Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your comment, and will share them with the Gty Cbunciland planning
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making golf a muddy experience. PoH Town„ndi, piayabiey,ar round. Just water the greens
team for their co—d—t—Thank you so much for taking the Nme td rend yourthbught,.
and t bo-, and let the fairway, go dd—ant m th, summer.
1/20/2023 PT Gbit
The golf cdd—i,a marv,ibd,amenity that i, short enough tbbe a wonderful way forybdng
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goiters td take up the game and retiree, m go but and play 9 hole, without kiilmi,th,m„iv,,.
Mountain View Cbmmbns. Ihave logged yodr,omment, and will share them with the Qty Cbunni and planning
Mort golf courses are d,ngn,d by prof„ -anal goiterswho hit the bail along way and staight.
team for their co—d—t—Thank you so much for taking the time td rend your thought,.
learners and bidners db neither. High c, i, another fa—thatlearn,,, and bidsters are
rned about Sb, what the PT"' c,,,,, provides i,a handy econbmicai solunbn. With all
thbre advantage,, what i, the reason iis notd--with bd,iness� l am not a golf business
expert, but believe Mere are such pebpie but there. Mybb„r at— i, the successful muni
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tour es have anivtti„virtually every day forailange, bf age, and skill level,. They have
seas nobly maintained fairway,, bunkers and gree ns, not pin, just 11, A pro slop aisb ona
nab!, basis along with arertauant m get mme refreshment td take along and a convenient
place tbsitandhav, a libanbn while tallying up scares and d,,,mg but meager winnings. This
would bethe"ideal state". The current owners know all his. Their quernbn, and mine, i, how td
get from where w,a re td thi,id,al state. This i, where mme odt,id,, expert advice should be
,riga ged,b„au„ all of u, ib,a is have obviously not found a way m db it.
1/20/2023 PT Gbit
l a m an eider and l feel so--dy that the golf course db„ not serve odreommunity.There are
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d many possible uses for that property that wbuid provide services, creatrveengagement,
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affordable hodnng a ndd d -h moa. Pl—, pand yourtd others who don't
team for their co—d—t—Thank you sb much for taking the time tb rend yourthbught,.
shad; but who have well thought bdtid,a, for that space.
1/20/2023 PT Gbit
It, important td expand the usage of the golf course td serve larger need, bf th„ommdnity.
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Serving only the need, bf the goiH ngco —tyi, discriminatory aga-th, need, bf disabled,
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,id,riy people, children etc.
team for their co—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time td rend your thought,.
1/20/2023 PT Gbit
Iwodid prefer that the golf course be pdt td other use. Tail, and affordable hodnngwodid be my
d so uch for yourinput for this con, munity di„u,non „rs, a bout the PoH Tdwnrid Gbit Cbdand
Thankyom
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pr,feren,,,.ldbn't Min
Mink the cost bf maintaining the golf course is�uniH ed,„p„iaily
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,on,id—hi, how few people andaily use it.
team for their o—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time td rend your thought,.
1/20/2023 PT Gbit
Iwodid like td res the golf course remain a green spare—tree from developmen;buildings and
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hod,ing. ld,aily a`r,wiiding prbj„t wbuid be entertained, wah ana„ompanying
Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Qty Cbdn,ii and planning
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rcogninbn/sudation that the land cannot truly be returned td a`nah—tate'. There', an
team for their co—d—t—Thank you so much for taking the time td rend your thought,.
,x„ "lent teaching bpportdnity—in land stewardship —m be had for the community.
1/20/2023 PF Gbif I would rely heavily on the purpose it was donated in the ti rat place. Wasn't it to b, i, Thank you so much for yourinput for this com mutiny discussion a bout the P- Tb— ... d Gbif Course and
421 Onlineg.ifr.urre/green spaced For sure keep the little am aunt of amus Mit
i, left. The ---g, i, Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com mems and will share them withthe City C.un'iland planning
an issue. maybe let the gas, g. dormant and be atisli ed with thit? team for Meir c.nsid—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend yourth.ught,.
1/20/2023 PF Gbif infixed use noti$l--g golf course Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion a bout the P- Tb— ... d Gbif Courseand
422 Online Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged your --t, and will share them with the City Counciland planning
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1/20/2023 PF Golf Im nota g.Iter, but would like t.,ee the g.ifc.urre property remain a golf course.
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1/20/2023 PF Golf IJ.n't underhand why the City of Port Tt--dis even ---g -y ait— t-- forth,
Online g.ifc.....Theg.if'.urre provides i,miii revenueincome for the c,ty,Why hop Matrevenue
and change it to a piece.f land that will require expen,ivemaintenance and— no
me—k around thecity, what revenue do the d.gpirk,, pick,bi,il court,, skateboard pari:,
t'. bring ink The answer i, $00.00. Theirgument the golf'.urre uses th.-- bf dollars.f
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each yearis quehi.naN-, l nail there is or was a well on the golf c.urre property to
supply maintenin'ewater to the golf'.urse.Th, golf course pr.vidi e,place tar clean,
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424 p.Mmgtd..rac[ivity tar many .f the City and County citizens. There are several civic
ind'hantabie events held at the golf c.urre every yearthat wise funds tar �an.us caurehhr.ugh
out the Gty and County. The golf course provides a near by place tar aur high school golf team to
pahice and hold matches. If the " management i, looking farms," open space why don't
they clean up that mess at Kai Ti,i. Kli iia i i,great area ifit were cleaned up and maintained. The
golfc.urre i, alreadya well maintained ".p ... p— m the city that--, p ---income tar
the city. PLEASE KEE P TH E GOLF COURSE AS A GOLF COURSE I
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comment, and willshare them with the city Council and planning
team for Meir'.nhdeati.n. Thank you so much for taking the Nme to rend your th_ght,.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P- Tb— ... d Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comment, and will share them with the City Council and planning
team for Meir c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the Nme to rend your th-ght,.
1/20/2023 PF Gbif I.—Id like to,, the Gbif Course space left a, open a, possible, but with m ore Thank you so much f.ryourin tf.rthi, com mutiny discussiona b-tth, P. Tb— ... d Gbif Course and
Online pubilaccessibility.liikethe pain, section and wonder whether Mere might be a way to M...t—View Commons. I have logged your com ment, and will share them with the city Counciland planning
eitherexpindthi,ind.pen m. re space for publicly accessible lawn game,and/.r trails am for Meirc—d---Thank you s. much for taking the Nme W rend your M.ught,.
425 Probably Jefferson Land Ti-, Admiaity Audubon, Maher Gardeners/Native PlintS.ciety, Pubil'
S'h..i, and Parks & Re' have already jmned this c.nversati.n, and I'dbe mt.... - m teaming
support the afft-W,ib—h units(hoping they are truly aff-i,W,)currently
nder'.nhruhi.n, but would not like m see this space used tor'.nhruhi.n.
1/20/2023 PF Gbit Regarding the f—i, fthe g.if--,wits. many tpie tiikingab—"—mg parkland- Thank y -u much for yourinput for this com inanity di„ussi.nab—the P- Tb— ... d Gbit Courseand
Online pieare remember thitai— il.f the city perk, i re located from the plf—rre toward the Mountain View Gammon. Ihave togged your'.mment, andwiii,h— them withthe city Counciland planning
er.d.wnmwn parks a nd pirkiet,, Chet—ki,Sather, B.bbyMCG--gh, Kih Tai, the dog team f.rtheirc—d---Thank you s. much for taking the Nme t. rend yourth.ught,.
pari:,etc... plus hateawned Fart Warden). Meinwhile,m.re ib—h development i,comingW
thecity's south/—th---edge Evin,Viha and the prbp—dib-dred,.f housing —t,.ff
426 Rainier and Discovery R.id.These families will need pirk,.n that end .f town. city pari: haff is
already hretch,dthin -.tie employ,, m maw itiiL Adding mare high+niintenin'e parkland in
the p- bft.wn already ti ash with parks and - My does a disservice t. the currenta ,d
futureresident,.f the section .f town ai—t barren .f'ityawned pari, and piiygr--,
1/20/2023 PF Gbif S..... the city i, not gettn there,p.n,e it want, regarding the g.if c --Re 111 Next D..,W Thank you s. Keemuch for yourin tft, this community dl-111-dl-111-ab—the I` -Tb .,end Gbif Courseand
427 Online send outan appeal. Sounds like i repeit.f the Street—,—, City Council ignores the dehres.f M ..main View Comm on. Ihave togged your'.mt—, and will share them with the City Council and planning
the 'linens. p the g.if'.urse. team tortheir'.n,ideati.n. Thank you s. much for taking the ti— t. rend your thoughts.
1/20/2023 PT Gbit Gbif i, a dangerous game for -y., bfaflying golf bail. l wa e ha directl, the eye Thank you so —h for yourinput for this com moony discussion about the P - Tb— ,end Gbit Course and
.hhh, byafa I,O while crossing the playground m 6th gads, at Kenmbreelem entary. If l hadn't been Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, and will share them with the Qty Cbunni a rid planning
p—hy weainring thick giasres, which blocked the fuiifbae bf Me blow, l may well have team for Meirc—d—t— Thank you sb much for taking Me Nh—tb rend your thought,.
impaired vision that eye. Even If the goiters -hg netting netting— -d their9 hale course, should
their bails",hbbtrtght up, iota the air, ,and came dawn hard who know, where" a pedertrian
might be ha.— Me goiters then held respbnsWO Besides imminent da n W—g.1fers,the
428 golf cburre wastes water, aur mbstprenbus natuai remuae, and it sequerters orb- dioxide in
the gran, which i, mowed by pbifuNng machines. The gas, has penicide, m it bad for the health
of ail. What are we, a town bf Ka ren, and Charlie,, with ouribve fbr,h-ting—ge,, rib rhl"fbI,
ur dogs, muinpie expensive toys and diesel vehicle,, and rib concern for the f-- .0 It
the need tb play golf overwhelms, Mara logo i,th, pure m go.
1/20/2023 PT Gbit Iam at lose a, tb why the city i, spending Nme and —y around the golf cburseque,tion. Why Thank you sb —h for yourinput for this com moony di,cusnbn abbot the P-Tbwneend Gbit Course and
.hhh, hirea new park,person Marie charged with pushing this through?Whyhire an expensive M buntain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your comment, and will share them with the Qty Cbunni a rid planning
429 nsuitant that i,cha edwit shaping the process wget the resuitsthe,ty want,l Another team for Meir cbn,ideaflon. Thank you sb much for taking Me time W rend your thought,.
Sime Way! The my doesn't are what the people wahtThe mayor and c,tycb—d i, just like
Trump, keep pushing your agenda, keep telling he, and event-hy .—pd omens will accept
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will.
1/20/2023 PT Gbit Ithink that It. -Id be a very bad idea change the golf course into something else. Thank you sb m uch for yourinput for this com moony di,cusnbn abbot the P-To.n,end Gbit Cburse and
430 Oniins Mountain Vie. Cbmmbns. I have logged your com mento and will share them.ith the Qty Cbunni and planning
team for their c—deat— Thank you sb much for taking Me time W rend your thought,.
1/20/2023 PT Gbit I db not play guff and have rib persvnalinte—t',the,pbrt H b. ever, Ikno. seveaIp-ple.hb Thank you sb m uch for yourinput for this com moony diecusnbn abbot the P-To.n,end Gbit Cburse and
431 Online have played the local course regufady faros much a, 40 years.l.buid hatetb see tat Mountain Vl—Cbmmbns. I have fogged your —e- and will share them.ith the Qty Cbunni and planning
opportunity taken away from them, particularly as it i,probably helping tbkeep them heafhy. team for theirc—deat— Thank you sb much for taking Me Nme W rend your thought,.
My vote i,W keep the guff course a, It"
1/20/2023 PT Gbit Please make this open space serve Me-- of many pebpie. CurrenHy, it i, not rate tbwaik on Thank you sb —h for yourinput for this com moony diecusnbn abbot the P-To.n,end Gbit Cburse and
.hhh, the golf course, and in fan, walkers are tbid W get off by golf cbursemaintenance wbri:ers.l Mountain Vl—Cbmmbns. I have logged your com mento and will share th—m.'th the Cty Cbunni and planning
—Id love m see this large property serve the needs of manywhile.iii remainingan open green team for their c-,,deat,o,. Thank you sb much for taking Me -e tb rend yburtought,.
space. Pbbi, okay, and same pa rising I believe thenars other places tb put housing. I wbuid not
432 want the space W get eaten up by onebuiiding and then another and the required parking for
eai different venues thatda. large group,, such a, a performing arts center. I Link .e an
rely on Fart Wbrdenand p -ate"
, awned venues for tat. for thore spaces. Pickiebah, okay, but
not cbvered,permanent wickets tar badminton, fisbee, other,p-, played on gas,.
1/20/2023 PT Goif Keep the golf cbursea golf cbursel It isbne bf the few piace,.here an aniviry a n beenjb dby Thank you sb m uch for yourinput for this com moony diecusnbn abbot the P-To.n,end Gbit Cburse and
.hhh, all ages,varyingskiii leve is, men and...enjb,y, and gine), and at a ib.cbrt. In addition, the Mountain Vl—Cbmmbns. I have fogged your cbmmente and.iii,harethem.iththe Cty Cbunni and planning
433 golf cburse,erve,asa natuai preserve. Many species of bird,,mammai,, insects a rid reptiles H team for theirc—deat— Thank you sb much for takingte time tb rend yburtought,.
rida--M habitat on Me golf course. The Qty of Pbrt "b el rid provides numerous walking
tali, and parks throughout aur neighbbrhbbd,,but fere is only one golf course.
1/20/2023 PT Goif I. -Id like tb ee the golf course become a space that a n be used by ail cbmmunitymembers Thank you,b m uch for yourinput for this com moony d ---abbot the P-To.n,end Gbit Cburse and
.hhh, not just those that can afford m play golf. It —Id become public I,-.it.aiking trails perhaps Mountain Vl—Cbmmbns. I have fogged your —e- and will share them.ith the Qty Council and planning
434 a9 hole golf course cbuid remain but there i, rib reason W urethe enflre area for golf only. A team for theirc—deat— Thank you sb much for taking Me Nme W rend your thought,
large area cbuid be ured tar community garden andgreen h--
1/20/2023 PT Gbit As a member of tie —unity,I,uppbrt re,tortng a majority of Me proou perty W Thank ysb m uch for yourinput for this community discusnbn abbutthe Pbrtio.n,end Gbif Cburse and
.hhh, uai/native habitat of fore,[, p eand wIiand,, rib longer requiring cbpiou,quanmie, of Mountain Vl—Cbmmbns. I have fogged your comm ents and will share them.ith the Qty Cb—d and planning
and fend—, and penicide,. An ongoingvbiunt— effort —Id beu,ed W this end. Tails eam for theirc—deat— Thank you sb much for taking Me h— wrend your thought,.
and interpretive—a,.-Id be a huge —et. W iidl fe ha
b,tat—ld be improved a, well. Other
435 portion, of the property cbuid have community garden allotment,, p—,,ground,, play areae tar
children, play H eid,, fe,h-k, etc. Repurposing exirdngbuiidings and Me parking lot cbuid
mbdate community gatherings, eduatibnaispaces,and the fanners mari:et. believe that
changing Me current use bf this open space will serve a wider and largerpb Iat—of talks.
1/20/2023 PF Gbit
Thisis input about the information links on Me F, ,PF web pa ge for the Goit Cours, In
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discussion o,N-Door and fare m fare with friends, there many quertions ab-tthe current golf
Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your --t, and will share them with the Qty Cbu,ciland planning
course and perhapssome misinforznation. There has not been a good easy tb u,demand
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m afor Meirc—d—t— Thank you so h for taking Me timeour W rend ythoughts.
summary report available. Naw same ofthe information previously provided is missing. the water
_ge report has bee,deleted, and Me link m the fi ,oridol analysisis brake, so that is
hdvailabie. I have been told that Me published reports tar golf course —ge are known wbe
low, andthat there are mare players Man reported. This latterrtem wises the quer[io,
bf__, bf reporting per the lease agreement with the Qty. In orderW have mare informed
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bpi,io,s moving forward,we.-Id ail benefi t irbmciar actuate information. How many
unique individuals use Me golf course. Haw many rounds a re played da,Iy ybe as an avenge
by month, Are Mere times bf Me year that the course is espe—hy-der utilized? Who much
Qty water is used m irrigate the course' Is Mere a p1bdh.1 ,well, and If sohb. much water
does thou piyl Hb. much rent has the current tenant paid annually over Me p-510 yearn
AH bf this should be pubilcinfor t—when a tenant rents Qty property. Please fi rid away tb
present this information --tely and clearly m ane place.
1/20/2023 PF Gbit
Although the Port T,—edd golf course is a beautiful part bf town and very co,—e,tforioai
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goiters, I believe that it is not the be,t — of PT, available land. Despite my having friends and
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neigh bars who ore bur golf course, Ithink It. -Id be better hed am recranbn center for
am for Meirc—deanb,. Thank you so much for taking Me time W rend your thought,
walking, running, and btherforms bf exercise and relaxation robe used by a larger prbportio, bf
aur population. Additionally, there are 18 hale pff, rses relatively nearby.
1/20/2023 PF Gbit
Since the pool complex needs tb be replaced and the golf course could serve more bfthe
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c unity by being a walking pari:area, place for high,h— m haven paRicecrbss country
Mountain View Cbmmbns. Ihave loggedyourcomme,ts and will sharethem w,thth,Cty Council a rid planning
ring area, possibly time share needs m be considered. Can the golf --e be a�ailabie/open
—d, for Meirc—deanbn. Thank you sb much for taking Me time tb rend your thoughts.
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during certain day and hours and others an be m the a—.he, rib golf bails a re being NO It not,
I think PF hastb take iota co,sideat,od ho—any talks use Me golf course, prbfi tability iota
account A community pari: situat,od—ld be much less expensive tb opeate.
1/20/2023 PF Gbit
I hope that Me city will keep Me golf course as Iti,,Were entering a period bfincreasingiy
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and apid climate hange, and m cMe future may.eii need thaNarge open area for
Mountain View C --I have logged your commentsand.inshore them.iththe Cty Council and planning
grbwingfood, brforintensive piannng bf native plants and treestbsurtain bur native poilinatbrs,
team for Meir consideanbn. Thank you so much for taking Me Nme wrend yourthoughts.
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briar other ores Mate annot naw anticipate. The pff,o—e has a Tway, been a treasured
because itsa large, lovely green bpen spacand pubilc golf affordable -,se -th affordable tees
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ght in the heart bf aur'__, . Pieaselea-it alone.
1/20/2023 PF Gbit
The golf course holds tai green space that will be needed —e than ever as thepopOat—
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es.community mmunity desires and needs access w mm e of the property.
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Ifavorta,Is and some bpen space Mat cbuid e— alongside a continued, smaller goifarea.
to am for Meir co,sideat— Thank you so much for taking Me Nme W rend your thoughts.
Fencing _'d protect people tram golf balls. As itis, goiters walk the prbperty.ith-t signifi ant
danger so lets expand use W mare people. Thank you for making this a process bf community
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I. -Id like Me golf course m remain as golf course or bpen green space for ail m e,joy,,b
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development br housing.
Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your comments and will share them.ith the Qty Council and planning
team for Meir co,sideat— Thank you so much for taking Me Nme W rend your thoughts.
1/20/2023 PF Gbit
I.—Id like the city W keep the golf course.
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team for Meir co,sideat— Thank you so much for taking Me Nme W rend your thoughts.
1/20/2023 PF Gbit
Would love m see the golf course turned into a m bre- ai habitat that cbuid be usedby
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anyone. Maintaining a golf course la., is not the b- use of this property. There --great
Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged yourcbmments and will share them.ith the Qty Council and planning
alternative uses that. -Id not require as much watering and mowing as agoif course.Allowing
team for Meir co,sideat— Thank you so much for taking Me Nme W rend your thoughts.
us ordinary talks m roam abbot b, tails, enjoying- ai fl baand fauna.bold be greatA
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unity garden,btdbor education events, expand theKahiai P,a e, Iprefer keeping it bpen
re habitat over adding buildings. The city hasother prdpemes that cbuid be turned iota
housing -please don't destroy this bpe,space. My ar has been hit by golf balls twice driving b, F
St. by Coilin.00d fano, moat having that happen again .bold be wonderful.
1/20/2023 PT Golf
Asa 20, ,,—g.IH ng resident of Port Townrend, Ivi,w the .If courre as an op,nspac,
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ass, and would be i- favor of retaining it os is with its current ire. In addition to lfi ng it
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comm - and will share them with the Qty Council a nd planning
supports ground waterrecharge and functions asa wiidirf, c--, Thankstor asking.
team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
1/20/2023 PT Goif
Ibelieve th, community would b,w,ii,,,,dby,liminatmg th, .If course and s --p -
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outdoors pare that would b, acc,ss.W,and urefui for th„-tire city. As --ds, th, .If course
Mountain View Commons. Ihav,logg,d your comments and will share them with th, Qty Council a nd planning
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s,r,sf,w p,opl, a nd activ,ly,xciud,snon-g.If ers from usingth, space. WAmI, paths, play
team for theirc—d---Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts,
ground space, sport, ti ,Ids, picnic areas and areas to — and e-joyth, outdoors would enable
much mare of the populace of Port Townrend W e -joy th,area torr,-tiy take- up by the
u-d,rutiirz,d golf course.
1/20/2023 PT Goif
Th— may not b,100'sof kids who grow up playing that .If course every day, but lk-ow 5 or 10
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whose lives were f by that opportunity. It would b, a diffuture geneations no
Mountain View Commons. Ihav, logged your com ma-ts and will share them with the Qty Council a nd planning
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Ion ger had that potential.Enc D,W„s,, PTHS varsity .If team 1981-1984, PGA of A--
team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
(re red).
1/20/2023 PT Goif
Goif courresare —g the worstpoil — beaus, of th,treaensive us, of
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f,mirzers,h,,bicid,s,fungicides, and insecticides. All of those affect the water quality of th,Salish
Mountain View Commons. Ihav, logged your com me-ts and will share them with the Cty Council a nd planning
Sea and thereby affect Ioai —Hfi sh, etc. That should b, reason enough to neveragain use that
team for their c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
space tar such an,nvironmentally damaging activity.
1/20/2023 PT Goif
Although walking tails an b,add,d, the golf course should b, retained
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com me-ts and will share them with the Qty Council a nd planning
team for their c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
1/20/2023 PT Goif
I a m m favor of oth,ruses for th, g.if course. It isund,rutd—d and could b, an,xcH-t pari:
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with numerous oth,rfunc[ions.Th, pam,ara should b, preserved.Oth,rgoif courses m the
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your 1-11t,and will share them with the Qty Council a nd planning
area are suffi tient for Ioai goiters.
team for their 1—id—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
1/20/2023 PT Goif
R,g dmgth, .If c,—,.Th, Qty .If course seems to be an open space i -search ofus,rs. l am
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t o golfer, but tav,i the ro,d, djac,nt to the course seveai days p,rwe,k at various times of
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comma-ts and will share them with the Qty Council a rid planning
day. Seldom do l re, mar, than one or two peopi, ac[uailypiaying goiti Itis far mor, likely to ,,
team for their c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts,
dog walkers or bird watchers on the prop,rty;aithough I expect dog walkers do so at their (and
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their pooches) peril. Being muck by —P ha .If ball iso renous danger. I have no issue with
preserving op,-sP—(e:rmultiple users, or simply as green space. My objection is to
committing resources Ifertd—,,, weed sbppresants, fuel andmaintenance wars: and copious
amounts of water) W support an underused activity.
1/20/2023 PT Goif
Iwouid lim th, .If —, to b, turned intoa public pari:.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t,and MH share them with the Cty Council and planning
team for their c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
1/20/2023 PT Goif
Iwouid like W reea new city Recreation C,-terwitha nice indoor pool, and possibiypicki,ball
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and tennis court,. Th,rest of the property could b,ured Loran apartmentcompiex or k,ptasa
Mountain Vi,w Commons. I have logged your 1-11t,and will share them with the Qty Council a rid planning
pari:.
team for their c—d—t—, Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t,and will share them with the Cty Council and planning
team for their co—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthoughts.
Part Townsend is a lovely city with many perks surrauntletl by water —the ultimate open space
Even though the gdf course S het heavilyusetl forrouhtl, of golf, n is usetl by, plethora of Thank you so much for yourinput for this --ty discussion a bout the Portiown„nd Goff Coua,and
Multi _ If the space wasd—lopetl,the rdaeh problem Upt-, woultl become even more Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comment,and will share them with the City Counnia nd planning
prodematic_ With the aggressive tlevelopment within the city limits, ,woultl be horrid, to lose am fortheir consideanon. Thank you so much fortakingth, time to rend yourthoughts.
this open space ih the m,ddl, of town_ Once A, gala we 1111= get it beck I d— M there to
often antl it gives me a sense of peace seeing the trees ontl the grass ontl makes me glad I
bought a house in Part Tawnsentl ontl get away from Seat'. I I. golf there an occasion when I
have guests in town but what S mast important to me S seeing the wird. open space_ It makes
unbearably sad to sae the., mawetl d-, ontl mareconcrete engulfing such a beautiful
a The tlevelopment ih the North Beach arae ontl the loss of trees is sickening_ Ta lase the
gdf coursewoultl be another herr event Reese focus your, energies an taking care of the
xi,ting infrastructure of the tbvn —hoards, did ewalks, bike paths — ontl let the golf course stay
green space_ Maybe we caultl atltl same dirt walking paths ah a disc golf option ontl have that
lilable ane ar two tlays a week if we went to increase use_ But even the parks we have naw —
Fart Warder, fei19,a11d , Chetzamauka etc_—are never 11-d d even in the height of summer_
We all ,pehrdingab unch of rima energy antl money to change the purpose of something that
doe, not heard to be cha,getl_
1/20/2023 Thank you so much foryourinput forth,, community discussion aboutthe Portiown„nd Gaff Course and
453 With a ll the acreage, we can have both. Starting with a 9hofd par 3 course, tak,ngl,,, space. Mountain View Commons. I have logged your cam m,nt,and w111 share them with the City Counnia nd planning
Aquatic center on th, other part of property. This may sound like a lot but ourtown,houfd have team for Meir consideanon. Thank you so much f,,,-ng the tam, W rend your thought,.
bath. W, could do a bond levy. Please vote for both. We're worth it
1/26/2023 January2 am, &Pam, (B-bill, Scambl,)/Feb 18& 19 Annuai Bud hght`A—,Open'/ March Thank you so much for yourinput for th„com moony d„cu,non a bout the Portiown„nd Goff Coua,and
11 St. Paddy', Day Tourney/March 25 Rhody 1-1-1 Float Unv„l,l,& 9 hole tourney/ Ape, B Mountain View Comm one. I have logged your cam meat, and wall share them with the City Counnl a nd planning
454 The Masters BI,nd Dow Apt, 122 Speug Scambl, May 6 Players Club Scambl, May 13 Jim team forth„rc—d—h— Thank you so much f,,,-ng the tam, W rend your thought,.
Caldwell Pre-tourney 9 hale May 20 & 21 Rhody Fest Jim Caldwell Memoeai (Sat.9 h,A,, Sun. 18)
June 10 High Schaal Alumni (tar k—1, sport, progam)
1/20/2023 PF Gaff Thank you so much foryourinput forth„ community d„cusnon aboutth, Portiown„nd Gaff Course and
455 Duhu, oultllke to sae a n ew city Recreation Centel wdh an ice hid... pool, antl po„blypickleball Mountain View Commove. I have logged your commentsand will share them with the City Counnia nd planning
antl tennis courts_ The rest of the property caultl be usetl for an apartmentcomplex or kept a,a team for th„rc—d—h— Thank you so much f,,,-ng the tam, W rend your thought,.
park.
1/20/2023 PF Goff I agree with the case mardeby Gabe Van lJelyveltl in the Jan_ l lth is,u e of theJefferson County Thank you so much for yourinput for th„community J,---a bout the Portiown„nd Goff Coua,and
Dnline Lead,, that the gdf course S a pooruse of our public lard Ane, likeGabe, l also believe there Mountain View Commove. I have your comments
and will share them with the City Counnia nd planning
456 haetl, to be a more"ihclu,ivaequhablaahrdehvihohmentallyhe,poh,ideplah"forthe use of am fortheir consideaflon. Thank you so much fortakingth, time to rend yourthoughts.
these 58 acres of public lard Gerhard samecambihadl afaffartlabl e housing al Palk are, t,
Alerted with native plants_
1/20/2023 PF Goff Leave the golf ,u,,eable_And in a,e lw,h't clear enough_ The open are, pa,ethat is the Thank you so much for yourinput for th„community J,---a bout the Portiown„nd Goff Coua,and
Dnline Port Tawnsentl Golf Course heed, to lemaiha, open green space_ Donottlevelopihisproperty_ Mountain View Commove. I have your comments
and will share them with the C ty Counnia nd planning
457 Upgrade the golf course ifhece„a,,but J. not atltl anything tothe Golf Course team fortheirc—d---Thank you so much f,,,-ng the -:Wrend your thought,.
1/20/2023 PF Gaff Thank you so much foryourinput forth„ community d„cu,non aboutth, Portiown„nd Gaff Course and
Dnline mintere,terd ih changing the golf course into a more diene health/aquatirJcenter_ It—, Mountain View Commove. I have logged your commentsand w111 share them with the City Counnia nd planning
unfair antl unrealistic that in this day antl age we lime such a beautiful are, eativa pa,e to only t am fortheir consideaflon. Thank h for taken hetlmeto rend lou hts.
458 ehtdy, 9.1f We can effete camprelli- M changing the galfcauh,e to a 6 hale golf course antl e you so muc gt yourt g
s ng the Iahrd along 10th a, a cammu hityaquatirJhealth/recrea— center_ We rdah't hoed a 0
hde golf course ih the center of town that i, usetl M a small group afpeaple_ Let walk tagehter to
make a mare total community —ard use of this Ione,
1/20/2023 PF Gaff Thank you so much foryourinput forth„ community d„cu,non aboutth, Portiown„nd Gaff Course and
459 Dnline Mountain View Commove. I have logged yourcomments and w111 share them with the C ty Counni and planning
Make the golf coursea 6 hole that allows room for aco —Ay aquas health cehterthat hard, team for their cou,-ah— Thank you so much for taking the tame to rend your th
ought,.
is everyone_ It's a Win Win'
1/20/2020 PF Gaff Thank you so much foryourinput forth„ community d„cu,non aboutthe Portiown„nd Gaff Coua, and
Dnline If thecourse will be repurposad, make sure n has n ew activities for all age,_ Dog parkbike pump Mountain View Commove. I have logged yourcomments and will share them with the City Counni and planning
track for lord,, a huge plaarouhrd for lard,,d-dart, exercisa'able h,, Iargecommu nity garden, am for consideanon. Thank hfortakin hetlmeto rend lou hts.
ALL age acfivifies_ n,tju,t walking trails Sell elf s,,a afthe let- fair market price, to fuhtl to you so muc gt yourt g
460 these acfivifies antl zone d town homes ar can J,,,a thatfalk, ih the area that rdah't want a III
house can dem-e althen their current Iargedd house can be ,dd to increase supply- Anew
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l antl wellness center whh a gymwauld be great but that woultl be very pricy antl I am net sure
d many re,irdeht, would—to pay $1 OU,, to fuhtl d.
1/20/2023 PF Goff I like th e gdf course but mu Id like cam mu nity teal king ac ss to R Th ere are currently paved Thank you so much for yourinput for th„community d„cu,non a bout the Portiown„rid Goff Course and
Dnline pnu aths that caultl be usetl_ To make ds al here are a fewcoph—Doh't open it to golfers until 8 Mountain View Commove. Ihaveloggedyourcomm,nt,andw,Il,ha,,th,mw,thth,Cty Counc,iandpianning
antl close, at 41r5_Redesign to make walkers antl defers beth safe_ There areanumber of am for consideanon. Thank hfortakin hetlmeto rend lou hts.
a amble, an the web_Close it to defer, 2 tlays aweek ar mare rduhing the—terwhe, there are to you so muc gt yourt g
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We tlaht use the gdf course except when we have golf, ng —9—And golfers heard atlri a
range_ It caultl move to Mt Vew Commons I like the ape, area, space let's imagine how to
maker it work far mare people'
1/20/2023 PT Golf Let's lee. the golf co s it is. Maybe in ten y.e w public opinionein. For Thank you so much foryourinput forth,, -unity discussion aboutthe P-T—a... d Golf Course and
462 Cnlinen es1Ild t...... th, M ... hall View 11, Maya, think a bout e,p,,d,,g it eI,ttl, to Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com ment,and .,It share them w,thth, Cty Counnl a nit planning
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n end adding additional properties where two or three residences ere n,wtaking no team far their can„ deation. Thank you so much far taking the time to rend your thought,.
spaces
1/20/2023 PT Golf Co. .plee.hov multi- open space'1. n'. i) it bei. g ... d prim ally to - Thank you so much for yourinput for this com munity discussion about the Portiown,end Golf Couaeand
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humans 2)lergertrailsatp.nm.to r for cycling o r ro ll1 r skating, eto(to,t.rsp.ed team for Meir consideation. Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thought,.
")')-ng lsame area for golfers to use the course 1-2 days week an a less
463 gmam ed/partially gr..m.d course. Perhaps till, would b. 11ly 1 hales to accommadat,
other.... and cut dawn an maintenance. I s.. this course as being a bit rougher, to
harken back to Old. Sootl antl antl pravid, same unique challenges. Limiting the course to
golf 1 ar 2 tlays/week May rob ,ot the actual pr.p.nti.n of golfers in the commun ty, which
seems fair.
1/20/2023 PT Golf Thank you so much for yourinput for th„ com munity discusnon about the Po T—a,end Golf Courseand
464 Cnline Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com ment,and w,Itshare them with the Qty Counnl a nit planning
team for their cd—t— Thank you so much for taking the timet. rend your thought,.
Keep the golf course. 0 pen s pec. R good D.v.lopmant can happen on.tli.r parcels.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comment, and w,ll share them with the Gty Council and planning
team for their can„ deation. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thought,.
P. -t- a pool/wellness center and mix.d ..td.., recreation.
1/20/2023 PT Goff
I think changing th. golf co .to multi-ue(wiltl land,,. to, walks, eslor
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d.gs,eto) i, abetter... than panning m.r.m.n.y into.golf course...d by.small
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com meat, and— share them with the Qty Counnl a nit planning
gmup of s peciol interest tolks. Plus it'sawasto of op.11 land re q.,bng Wltm wat.rand
team for Meir consideation. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thought,.
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chemicals to keep the grass. V., the golf course brings in funds, but not much anon
anoel basis. If you must keep the golf course, greatly reduce the size s. mar. of tl,.I.nd
f ..tothe Pont Townsend comm unity. Since moving M Pont Townsend III time I
Wthe golf course was when I needed a bathr..m. And even the clubbathr..m is in
poor condition.
1/20/2023 PT Goff
I would prefer for th. golf co . to horn allo pen s pace. if that m..n, .ugh oriole
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ant to play le nd,Vap,, paths and pinc.sto be.nv.lop.d in nature. This wo .1da.n.ft
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com meat, and will share them with the Qty Counnl a nit planning
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the public trail system as a destination and provide the community with a°Central Park"
e am for their consideation. Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thought,.
thatis a notural spec. -very different fmm th. f.d,plac. of rest within a Cappys trolls and
the like
1/20/2023 PT Goff
I'd It, m,eeth, goff course remain. goif courre.Thiscomm unity hose. abundanceof open
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green space and tail,. The golf courre ha, many beneH t, for the communityyouth and regularly
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comment, and will share them with the Qty Counnl a nit planning
f,adai,e,far,penal interests.Pl—, continue to support the goffrouae ase -unity
team for th— ,—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thought,.
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remurce.
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hive in the com munity w,th a Po T—a... d address, butt don't l,vein the city. l alsoam nota
Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged yourcommentsand will share them with the Gty Counciland planning
golfer, so fur[wanted to getall Mose aspects stated up front Ihave gone byto see h Kah Tai
team for their co d—t— Thank you so much for tak,ngthe time to rend yourthought,.
Paine is bloom. In my view, the,risa golf course out on DiscoveryRoad that services that
community. If you can afford to play golf regularly, you canprobabfy afford m dine out to that
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to"e...so bydo,really need two, e,pec,allyg,ven that the PT GC has such looming
mai ace/upgadecorn?Why not use thepubflcin-town property for purposes that benefit
oo,ens, bath from in -town asweP as the broader local communities Even If the property
sed, to produce revenue, lam sure there are multiple ways that would produce mare. Thanks
fare amtning th,n,sue.
1/20/2023 PT Goff
Ifeel- e,y important m keep the goif course and the open space that it givestoe ... yone. We
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w very sd,presedwhenthetalk of removingthe open space/golfrouae rtartedl Jur[quRe
M.goal.View Commons. Ihave logged yourcommentsand will share them with the Gty Counciland planning
surpnnng. We need Me,pace, thegree... thepeacefulnessand more.Thank you forlettingus
team for their con,,deaf,-. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thought,
express aur thoughts.
1/20/2023 PT Goff
Me—consider affordable hou„ng.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discusnon about the Po T—a,end Goff Cour,e and
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M.goal.View Commons. Ihaveloggedyourcomment,andw,IIcan sharethemw,ththe Cty Counc,landpfanning
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teafor their ,,deaf,-. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
1/20/2023 PT Gaff
Thank you so much for yourinput for this com munity discusnon about th, Po T—a,end Gaff Cour,e and
Cnline
le e Mount. In View Commons that lnoludes'.e Food Banka Info/police stations
M .goal. View Commons. Ihave logged yourcommentsand will share them with the Gty Counciland planning
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VMCA/VWCA pool , physical therapy space, Picks B. c.urtsaffer school program
team fortheir consideation. Thank you so much fortakingth, time to rend yourthoughts.
spaces. restw.nt (Recovery Cafe) and performance speoe.n arts and crafts spaces
quiet meditative space /labyrinths golf coarses Reoyclery
120/2023 Pr Goff I have two separate comments. Re the process: l would prefer not to have Tbankyou so mi,ohfo,yru,Ieputfo rs,00mmumtyd,,—are aboutthe P-Trwes..d Goff C,,
to use myphone to take a survey via the OR code.l think requiring citizens M ountan View Crmmres. Ihaw hm dyru,00mmems and wni srar,the wahmeaty Counniand pfanrm
to use their smahphone to use a OR code to take a survey discriminates to— for then ooesmeato Tbank yri,so mwh for taking the time m reed yrr, thought,
against or lesstechnological citizens. Why can't you make a survey
available via survey monkey orsimilar through computers? Older people are
generally more able to use a computerthan a smart phone because they
473 can see the print.second. I am strongly in favor of ANY option that allows all
citizens to access theproperty currently known as the golf course. I don't
want any option that limits theproperty to a limited subset of the citizens.
Golf yes if a couple days a week and thenshared with others. Housing no,
no, no, no a thousand times no. we have hundreds of acres of land
available for construction of housing. this property should be preserved as
open space for future generations
120/2023 PT Gaff Thank you so much fo,yru,ieput fo,this community discussion aboutthe P-T—ii,seed Gaff Course and
.nils, Mountain View Commons. have logged yourcommentsand will share them with the Gty Counciland planning
It wru ld be wonderful tr have kleball center like Se Bainbrid Island team for Meir coesideati Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thought,
pic quim or ge
who revue could hold tournaments and be a destination loath, other than
downtown frrperple to come to on vacation. With plckleball being so popular, folks
474 a re going tr l rations based at least partly on the ave l la in l Iity to play pick l eba II. Both of
those sltesa Iso have la rge play a reas for ch I I d ren. Or have the cru ase close at bpm for
ae l k ng. BA—1 l y, Fort Wr rd e n, Fort Flag leT and Fort Townse Td and North Beach are
✓ rmep laces tr hl kV play both pick le ba l l a Td golf a Td h l kV a l most every da y.
We need mo rV in ccs to in lay in ick le ba I I asit, inn p a la Try Is o utg ro wi ng in l a ccs tr in la y,
but wa I I ng and g rlf are fine the way they arel Thank Vain
120/2023 PT Goff Pi—, keep the grit course asis. Ali theaitematrves are going w cost the city a g,eatamrunt of Thank you so much for yourinput for this ty discussion about the fvr T--weed Goff Crurseand
4J5 .nils, ,W is planning,constructionand upkeep. We already have a pori a ndmany parks W eH , Mountas View CI have logged yrurcommentsand will share them with the I ty Crunch a nd planning
.and yes I am NOT a goiter but am fl sally responsible, team for their coesideatr Thank you sr much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
121/2023 PT Goff I sup port any pi an W convert PT Goff Course W 1 pressing non-golf uses rf beneH ttr ail. Thank you sr much fo,yru,ieput for this coin munity discussion about the fvr T--weed Goff C,,
476 .nils, Mountain View Crmmres. Ihaveloggedyru,commeHtsand will share them with the Gty Crunciland planning
team for their coesideatr Thank you sr much for taking the time tr rend ynu, thoughts.
121/2023 PT Gaff Thank you sr much for yourinput for this community discussion aboutthe fvr T--weed Gaff Course and
.nils, ve the greensps- of t he gulf course, but would rather It be accessible to Mountain View Crmmres. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council a nd planning
orepeople. It would make a beautiful park at the center of town .I would love team for then crnsideatrrn. Thank you m much for taking the time m rend your thoughts.
to see Itbeeome a permaeu pure food forest accessible to the community. It
477 ould be a model ofwhat Is possible as we look toward sustainability and
healing the planet In these timesof climate change.I would love to see an
renovated pool either at Mountain View or at another site. Abeautlful pool and
reatlon / fitness center would be a gathering place and also ahealth benefit
for the people of PT.
121/2023 Pr Gaff Thank you sr much for yourinput for this community discussion aboutthe fvr T--weed Gaff Course and
.nils, Mountain View Crmmres. I have logged your comments and will share themwith the I ty Crunch and planning
e above Cherry Street on the west side of the high school and oversee the team fo,their -at—, Thank you sr much fo,tA,rgthe time m rend ynurthrughts.
golfeourse and Happy Valley's green spaces. I do not play golf, but I do want
the grounds lobe preserved as a green space. The city golf course has
471 protected this land for manyyears from development and that needs to be
cognized. Is there any way that thegolfers could have certain days of the
week to use the 9 hole course, and for other daysthe grounds could be used by
I
edestrians, walking through the park, staying on Thepathways and not
tram piing the greens? flogs must be leashed and all dog wastepleked up by the
dog owners. This would be a great use of public lands. Thank you. Lynn
121/2023 Pr Goff Keep course, promote mr,e..rt is part rf Pr..Change density rules for more housing, dupi,x and Thank ynu sr much for yourinput for this coin munity discussion about the fvr irweseed Goff C,,
4J9 .nils, yard small housing. Mountain View Crmmres. Ihaveloggedyru,commeHtsand will share them with the Gty Crunciland planning
team for their coesideatr Thank you sr much for taking the time tr rend ynu, thoughts.
1/21/2023 Pr Gait Thank you so much foryourinput for this community discussion aboutthe Pvt Tv— ... d Gait Course and
oHis, I m In favor of keeping the golf course. However if there is a way to remodel Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Cv—d and planning
480 theelubhouse to allow for additional uses/activities l think that would be an team forth— con„deatmn. Thank hfor-x he no, to rend houht,.
you sa muc -xi, yourt g
Improv ent.
1/21/2023 Pr Goif It iso Ie ei Mat has been care taken for years.Frisbee golf should be madea part ofthe course Thank you so much for yourinput for this com m.nity discussion about the Pvt Tv— ... d Goif Courseand
481 Online but updating the pool si id is,eaated from the golf course. We have alarge park right down Mo.ntai"View Commons. I have logged your com m e"t, and will share them with the City Council a rid planning
theroad..dowereailyneedanother"pari:"Not really. Enhancedon'tdernoy Me course. team for Meir con„dwt— Thank you so much forsaking thetime W rend your thoughts.
1/21/2023 Pr Golf Keep a, golf tour.. plea, Thank you so much for yourinput for this com m.nity discussion about the Pvt Tv— ... d Golf Courseand
4ffL Online Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com merits and will share them with the City Council a rid planning
team for their can„ wtxv. Thank you so much forsaking the time W rend your thoughts.
1/21/2023 Pr Goif Thank you so much foryourinput for this community discussion aboutthe Pvt Tv— ... d Goif Course and
4&3 Online Mountain View Commons. Ihaveloggedyo.rcomme"t,andwiiishare them with the Gty Counciland planning
For the best environmental purposesplease protect the golf course as itis now. team con„
for their deatmn. Thou Trask yso much fora-, the time to rend yo.rtho.ght,.
Thank you for ma )main Ing thlsvaluable publicly owned property.
1/21/2023 Pr Golf KEEP the Golf Course) Ev NOT envision it into buildings and pavement Thank you so much for yourinput for this com m.nity discussion about the Pvt Tv -111d Golf Courseand
484 Online Mountain View Commons. Ihaveloggedyo.rcomme"t,andwiii share them with the Gty Counciland planning
team for their can„d wt—Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
1/21/2023 Pr Goif Iwouid to, W res the Goif course remain asa green area b.tasa park as well a,keepi"g the Thank you so much for yourinput for this com m.nity discussion about the Pvt Tv— ... d Goif Courseand
485 ORins pame... Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com merits and will share them with the City Council a rid planning
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teafor their can„d wt—Thou Trask yso much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
1/21/2023 Pr Golf I vote for the golf course to remain osis. Thank you so much for yourinput for this com m.nity discussion about the Pvt Tv— ... d Golf Courseand
486 Online Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com merits and willshare them with the Cty Council a rid planning
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teafor their can„d wt—Thou Trask yso much for taking the timet,, rend your thoughts.
1/21/2023 Pr Goif Plea, keep the grifcourre l It ha, so much.n-I—d potential a rid already gives,om.ch to our Thank you so much for yourinput for this com m.nity discussion about the Pvt Tv— ... d Goif Courseand
487 Online town Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged yourcommentsand will share them with the Gty Counciland planning
am for their can„d wt—Thank you so much forsaking the time to rend e, art,
1/21/2023 Pr Goif Iattended the 1/11/2'3 open house, and my two questions were read to the Thank you so much foryourinputforth,,community discussion aboutthe P -Tv— ... d Goif Courseand
Online audiene�what zoning Changes would be required for multi family housing t0 Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged yourcommentsand will share them with the Gty Counciland planning
be built on the site, and, is it possible to connect the sit e too new trail around team forthe,r con-at—Thank yo.,o much forsaking the time to rend e,urthouart,
the Kan Tal Lagoo n.?Regard
ing the first one, sounds Ilke there Is a deed
restriction which remits the use ofthe property (or a portion of it) to municipal
usesnot knowledgeable regarding thereehnlealitles of deed restrictions,
but feeam not
one ofthe biggest Issues In the city Isthe lack of affordable
Tensing, and to me this seems like an appropriate site to developwith a
ombinatlon of housing and park uses, Including the possibility It a new
Pool facility, to better benefit the community at large. Concerning housing, I
don't think the shortage of affordable housing In the community Is going to be
addressed with the addition of only single family homes, and believe that the
48s onstruetion of modest 2-3 story duplex-fourplex buildings on this site would
be an effect eve way to Increase density/housing stock, while respecting the
sof contextual scale and likely opposition by neighbors to multi family
housing. Given the greater expense and difficulty of building on sloping sites,
there Is a Ilm )ted area that could easily be used for housing, but I think by
leming structures parallel to the contours ofthe slopes, It would be feasible
to use the portion of the site adjacent to Bla Inc for that purpose, In add Ilion to
the other flatter areas fronting San Juan and Water/Cherry. As for the golf
course (probably should have started the note with this, but don't think I'm
getting graded...), appreciate the green space It general ly prov Ides to the
comm
unity, and also the convenience of having a course right In town. That
said, play golf (poorly) and have been to the course a couple times, but given
my experience on those occasions don't have any Interest In playing It agaln-
1/21/2023 Pr Golf Ith,nk golf courses represent, poor... of public re,o.aesand space, a rid a re
489 Online "tally inendiy. l would prefer m,ee ecologiai resmat—and/or --s”. of
the pool and additional athletic f—l,t,e,.
Thank you so much foryourinput forth„ community d,,—aon aboutthe Pvt Tv— ... d Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Cty Cv—d and planning
team for theirton -a—, Thank you so much forsaking the time to rend your thought,.
1/21/2023 PT Goif hove having the golf course) Thank you so muchforyour„put for this community discussion a bout the Portiown,e,d Goif Course and
490 Online Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, and will share them with the City Cou,cii and planning
team for Meir consideanon. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
1/21/2023 PT Goff lam--giy oppored to keeping the golf course as It currently stands. It„ not age,eai public Thank you so much for yourinput for this com munity discussion about the Portiown,e,d Goif Course and
Online be,efltnor„It —d by a majority of the citrzens,n Port T,.--Icategoria ily reject Mou,ta„View Commons. I have logged your comm sits andwf,hareth,, withthe Cty Counnia rid planning
k,-g— "t, that we should keep I mIts current form because” if ,away, been Mere", "it, one of team for their consideanon. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthought,.
ur few remaining green spares", or it ured by lots ofpeopie'".Noone„,ug-mgthat we will
a parking lot or that it an't,rib-ll bbeautiful green space. W hat I am --giy saying
,s that rt,outiirzed by a very smaiipeaentage of people. That spare should be repurposed into
491 ,thing that be,efl t,alarger—th—ge,t of residents, serves multiple P—1, and continues
to bean op,,g,,,, space that we can be proud of. In my opinion, thore who want the golf
co main unchanged are rery„g their own htererts and not the„teres[, of the wider
populations
Thank you for line,ing.
David Segieau
1/21/2023 Pi Goif I'veaireadyHiled outthe survey butlwantm connnueto express my deep wish to seethe Goif Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Goif Courseand
Online Course and Mountain View Commonsarea rerenv,noned for mixed use so thatmore residents Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, and will share them with the City Counni and planning
492 c take adve,tage ofthi, ma rvelou, open spare„ the middle of town. Thankyou, team for their consideanon. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
Janet Keller
1/21/2023 PT Goif I'tm favor of maintaining the golf courseas open space. It would not need to co,tinueto be a Thank you so much for yourinput for this —unity d ---about the Portiown,e,d Goff Course and
493 Online golf courre,however.Apark, a native plant garden, an outdooreduckh-kifaniiry focured on the Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Counni and planning
panfl c NW env,ronm est, wkiki tails, etc would be denabie.Pieare do not tum the me„to team for their consideanon. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts,
housing ar other development.
1/21/2023 PT Goif The site should remain open space and main use purpore,, but not necessarelyrenrined t, golf Thank you so much for yourinput for this —unity d ---about the Portiown,e,d Goff Course and
494 Online and NOT —d for any houn,gproj— or other developments. Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, and will share them with the City Council and planning
team for their consideanon. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
1/21/2023 PT Goif My personal vision for the property now occupied by the golf course iso m uit,—gree, space Thank you so much for yourinput for this com munity d ---about the Portiown,e,d Goif Course and
Online with areas for a variety of famik iendiy activities jpicn,cking horses hoes, bocci bail and the Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com mentsand will share them withthe Cty Council and planning
495 like), as well as not— focused areas such as poilinatormeadow, and low maintenance shrubbery team for their consideanon. Thank you so much for takingthe time to rend yourthought,.
crossed by walking and biking tails.
1/21/2023 PT Goif If s really clear that the golf course, ured by far less people that Ch--ka,which„1/10th the Thank you so much for yourinput for this —unity discusnon about the Portiown,e,d Goif Course and
Online well as Cherry meet pari: and the Skate pari: which a re tinyfanio„of the size. ey the Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com merits and wf,h— them withthe Cty Council and planning
golf clubs awn numbers, alma, no ane uses the golf courre, which,, haw it looks when I dme by, team for their consideanon. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthought,.
Sadly,exclusionary,,, that it doesn't allow forother uses, even when there ,only ane
495 person, or none on the courre. So 58 acres „used ocanonaily by a few people. really want It to
be open space, and open„thesense Mat the com —ty ,welcome. Tani,, sitting area,, min,
golf, and many, manyotherures can exist„tandem. Goif jun -tone of them. Pi—,,a
thiswo,derfui '. mun,ty land,nto a true co —ty asret.
1/22/2023 PT Goif I would like to reethe golf course be ,--d ht, a combination of puUidyaccessibie green Thankyou so much foryour„put forth,, co —ty d---aboutthe Portiown,e,d Goff Course and
497 Online space, and affordable hounng. Mountain View Common,. I have logged your --t, .,Ii share them with the City Council and piann,ng
team for their can,,d,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thought,.
1/22/2023 PT Golf
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I would like to see additional ways to utilize the golf course land considered
in theplanning process. There are so many things that could be done there.
What about anamphitheater that could host concerts through the summer
months and walking trailsand an updated playground? Along with a food
truck pod location and some coveredpicnic shelter areas like at HJ Carroll?
The only decent playground in town is at theschool and is only available
during non school hours. I know there is concern aboutmaintenance costs
for the already burdened parks department. I think we could build
498 avolunteer crew to help with maintenance needs. I'd love to see this giant
open space inthe heart of our town become a center for community building
rather than a space thatis used by relatively few members of our
community. I would also really like to see port Townsend fund an improved
aquatic center somewhere in town wether that be at MVC or the golf
course. The current pool (while getting better with warmer temps and some
increased hours) is just not enough. We need a 25 yard lap pool, and
something more accessible for kids. So many families are driving to PA,
Silverdale and Bainbridge very frequently to take their kids to swim. What is
the climate impact of all that driving? Also we are a maritime community,
have built maritime programs into our schools and there's nowhere in town
for our children to learn to swim? It's absurd!
1/22/2023 PT Golf
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Please put me on your email list if I am not already.
1/22/2023 PT Goff
Chine I am a 71 year old woman with a progressive skeletal condition. I swim laps 3
times aweek. It Is my only form of exercise and helps measurably with pain
Soo control. I am askingthat our City consider an aquatic center to be built at what Is
new the golf course. If ourcommunity pool were to close, It would be a dramatic
change for me, and not In a goodway. There are so many people who could benefi
t from not only a lap pool but also atherapeuto pool. The bereft is for healing,
strengthening and Improving mobility are welidocumented.
1/22/2023 PT Goff Im for keeping the grit crurre a open space ( no buildings rrprrl), what a gem wehave in our
501 Cnlinecity,imitsl We need tr keep rurrpen spaces, would be nice m have someday, open for walking
the crurre tar non golfers.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Prrtirwnse.d Gaff Course and
Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged your comments and will share them with the Gty Council and planning
eam for Meir c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the u— to rend your thoughts.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Prrtirwnse.d Gaff Course and
Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged your comments and will share them with the Gty Council and planning
team for their c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the u— to rend your thoughts.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Prrtirwnse.d Gaff Course and
Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged your comments and will share them with the Gty Council and planning
team for their c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
Thank you se much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Prrtirwnse.d Gaff Course and
Mountain View Crmmrns. Ihave logged your comments and will share them with the Gty Council and planning
team for their c—d—t— Thank you se much for taking the time tr rend your thoughts.
1/22/2023 PT Goff Please, SAVE TH E GOLF CCUESElll Thank you se —h foryourinput forthis community discussion about the Prrtirwnse.d Goff Crurseand
502 Online Mountain View Crmmrns. Ihave logged yourcrmmentsand will share them with the Gty Crunciland planning
team for their c—d—t— Thank you se much for taking the time tr rend your thoughts.
1/22/2023 PT Goff The gritcrurre iso treasure which should be maintained. Therein can be —,i forth, Thank you se —h foryourinput for this nom horny discussion about the Prrtirwnse.d Goff Crurseand
503 Cnline land which would be compatible with the guff course. Mountain Vi-- C—. Ihave logged yourcrmmentsand will share them with the Gty Crunciland planning
team for their —d—t— Thank you se much frrtaking the time tr rend your thoughts.
1/22/2023 PT Goff The guff crurre has always beena —y loser and bad for the environment We needmrre Thank you sr much frryourinput frrthis community discussion abrutthe Prrtirwnse.d Goff Crurseand
504 Cnline equitable use rf Melandand it's remurces. It the goffcrurse wasa pmatebusinessrt would have Mountain View Crm—.
Ihave loggedyourcrmmentsand will share them with the Gty Crunciland planning
gone underyears ago team for their —d—t— Thank you se much frrtaking the time tr rend your thoughts.
1/22/2023 PT Goff What percent rf Meloal pop Im— uses the courserna regularbasis? Doesth--,coverall Thank you se —h foryourinput for this nom horny discussion about the Prrtirwnse.d Goff Crurseand
Cnline rperanngexpenses?Whatis the taxablevalue rf the property and dresthe crurre adda similar Mountain View Crm—. Ihave logged yourcrmmentsand will share them with the Gty Crunciland planning
valuemthe crmmunity�Asfrrthe Mountain View complex, itshruld be painfully rbviousthe team for theirc—d—t—Thank you se —h for taking the time tr rend your thoughts,
the city should have located r11- H re, and cityad-s-t—, the business tom pfex rn the
505 hill instead rf rccupyingvaluablecrmmertal tax yielding property. And had we had a manager
and trunci, that weremrre interested in improving living crndttirns for the locals, other that
genmH atirnthis would have happened.sell the damn crmpfex and — the money tr relocate tr
thebusiness park.
1/22/2023 PT Golf Please keep the artcourre
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1/22/2023 PT Gbif There are so many people crying about "my beloved golf course ...wahhh." I like
.mine golf. Haven't golfed there, but would like to. But I also could be for an
507 alternative use for thespaee. Problem Is I can only choose between "save the
golf course" and "don't save the golfeourse?"G Ive us some alternatives we
an get behind.
1/22/2023 PT Gbif I think that the golf course should remain a golf .bur, itis los[ m what everd... Ibpment,tt
508 Online will beimpbssibiem replace.
1/22/2023 PT Gbif
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Though I deeply support dense low Income housing feel that the open space
of theGolf Course Is more essential. It could be reimaglned as a safe place for
s09 people ANDwild life. Having large green spaces throughout our town Is part of
the appeal to bothresldents and visitors. I wholeheartedly support keeping the
Golf Course as CpenSpaee. Regarding the Commons — Yes to enhancing the
pool, Yes to keeping the dog park, Yesto augmenting human needs areas such
as food bank and perhaps a youth center. The Pollee Station could relocate to a
suitable location, perhaps along Sims Way. Amore visible location.
1/22/2023 PT Gbif The, green open spare a nd mature trees Hat are part of the the golf course matter thembr[ to
Online rit 1.A,1—st, privately owned properties, around the FStree%Disco very andws Juan corridor
510 became mare developed, this lovely bans of green will became summa,, important Whatever
happens, please conserve Me open space and trees. Keepthe Mountain View Commons out bf
this discusnon -rt deserves a focus of its awn.
Thank you so much for yourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Pvt Tv— ... d Gbif Course and
Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged your comments and will share them with the Gty Cbuncii and planning
team for Meir --at— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
Thank you so much for yourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Pvt Tv— ... d Gbif Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Gty Counni and planning
team for their con -at— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
Thank you so much for yourinput forthis community discusnon aboutthe Pvt Tv— ... d Gbif Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Gty Counni and planning
team for their con -at— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
Thank you so much for yourinput forthis community discusnon aboutthe Pvt Tv— ... d Gbif Course and
Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged your comments and will share them with the Gty Counni and planning
team for their con -at— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
Thank you so much for yourinput forthis community discusnon aboutthe Pvt Tv— ... d Gbif Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and planning
team for their --at— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
1/22/2023 PT Gbif There is quite a bit of under uulo,d property bn the MVC campus. While the nngies[orybuiidings Thank you so much fbryourinput forthis community discusnon aboutthe Pbrtibwnsend Goif Courseand
511 Online w eapprbpriate fbrthe school in Me par[, cbnr[runingmuiti nary on thatsite would be better Mountain View Commons. Ihaveloggedyour.bmmentsandwiii share them with the Gty Counciland planning
e of bur fi rite pubilcspace. leave the golf course as open sfa—rd maintain it s current use. team for their con -at— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
Develop the MVC property properly.
1/22/2023 PT Gbif N,—, please do not take away one of the few butdbbrspv,t areas that a re left. lannbtThank you so much for yourinput forthis com moony d,,—a-about the Pvt Tv— ... d Gbif Courseand
512 Online undemand taking away one area to replace with a rather. The need for theswimming pool c Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, and will share them with the City Council a nd planning
clear, but not at the -penre of the golf cours, team for their --at,— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
1/22/2023 PT Gbif I have only been playing t this course for the par[ 30 years, l really enjoy the course Thank you so much for yourinput forthis com munitydis.usnbn aboutthe Pbrtibwnsend Goif Courseand
Online a ndmanagementthatrun t It is really hard to imagine not havingrthere, lots of gobdmembnes Mountain View Commons. haveibggedyourcbmmentsand will share them with the Gty Counciland planning
513 with friends and family.I'll 111, lots of different groups of players havingfun then.) hope ail cam fortheir con -at— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend yourthbuart,
involved will .bonder the fan Mat. This course means a lot m a lomf pebpiel Thankyou far giving
us a chance to speak our thoughts Allan Brawn
1/22/2023 PT Gbif levet[as open space. Golfers go after 10 DD am walkers could -u before 10' 00 am.New Ybrk Thank you so much for yourinput forthis com moony discusnon about the Pvt Tv— ... d Goif Courseand
514 Online hasa Cental Pari: why an'twe,zand makert—it use but not developFbr housing.Maybe Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com menu and will share them with the Cty Council a nd planning
Cherry Ste et/Bobby Magairer Part: would be better. Bur runs thatway team for their con -at— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
1/23/2023 PT Gbit Pieare retain Me open spacethat reachesa brbaderpbpulatibn-nbtj-goifeikingwaikingtaii-Thank you so much toryourinput forthis community discusnon aboutthe Pbrtibwnsend Gbif Courseand
515 Online --tat— habitat walk ways P—, d, Fre pus—led use. Dutdbbr bib—I, H Mo—tar---
Ihave logged yourcbmmentsand will share them with the Gty Counciland planning
e. Fngage community in pubilc sfacee,rv,mance area for Shakerpearein the park. team fortheir cbnrideaflbn. Thank y- much much for taking the time tb rend yourthbuart,
Thanskcyou. rs
1/23/2023 PT Gbif Ar bf mbnday morning, the.R code link is not wv,k,ng. It mys"Mir form is nbhccerung Thank you sb much foryourinput forthis commoony d,,—a- about the Pvt Tv— ... d Gbif Courseand
Online responses".Alm, Mereis nb alternative link m the survey for those whbprefer a direct link other Mountain View Cbmmbns. Ihave loggedyourcbmmentsand will share them with the Gty Counciland planning
than a.R code. Not sure everyon— fir to QR coder in this.b —ruy but mor[ by now camfortheir con -at— Thank you sb much for taking the time to
rend your thoughts.
shbuidbeabletbknow haw tb usea hat link bn an intemetnte. Comments. KeepI agolf.burre.
516 Maybe with same timer when golf is nbtaiibwed/happening sb that the open space an be used
for wa iking etc. However, nbtethatdespttethe.aorta ntdrumbeatfor"more tails", there are
hundreds 'f'
f miles bftaiis in and closely surrounding Pi with hardly anyone walking bn them
aiready.Maintain the tails that already exir[. Start by H ilingthe low spats that became
largepuddies bn the Kah Tai tail w- which is heavily used.
1/23/2023 PT Golf Hello, I would like to express my desire to see the PT golf course continue in itscurrentrtate. Thank you so much for yourinput for this com inanity discussion about the Pvt Tv— send Goif Course and
517 Online unfortunately the survey was closed when l tned to complete. Bert Regards,Angela Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com mems and will share them with the City Council a nd planning
team for Meirccn -at— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
1/23/2023 PT Golf Pi—, keep the golf course as itis.lt'sa wonderful addition to ourarea.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and planning
team for theirccn -at— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
1/23/2023 PT Goif
Thank you so much for yourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Pvt Tv—send Goif Course and
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With the housing needs and the needs of the commons im for removing the
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council a nd planning
golf eoursetoplaee tiny home/low income/affordable housing. The plant life
team for their —slat— Thank you so much fortakingthe time to rend your thoughts.
and Indigenous Ilfeean be renovated to kat tai lagoon or even China gardens
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area For those looking for housing especially low Income/affordable housing
there's truth he n the area. There's absolutely no reason that a studio
apartment In Iron dale should berenting for $2k a month or why a one bedroom
house shou Id be $1 k or more. lm usually a "save nature' person, but the land Is
mre needed for bulldinghomes/apartments than grounds.
1/23/2023 PT Golf
Pieoaseaddmynametothe"keep the golf course/orgolf course with enhancements
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forrecreation lis[. Targeting the golf course for repurposingis such a blatant ploy for thereat
M ountain View Commons. I have logged yourcommentsand will share them with the City Council a rd planning
e teinterestsof PT, none of which help our housing or affordability problems.
team fortheirconsid—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
1/23/2023 PT Golf
Thank you so much our ut forthis unity discussion aboutthe Pvt Tv—send Golf Course and
for yinpcomm
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I love that there is a big 58 acre `open' space in PT, but as a little -used golf
Mountan View Commons. I have ragged your Bora mems aid MHchore them wren the City Cowinaid planning
course it isNOT truly an OPEN space at all to the vast majority of PT
team for then eo -at—Trask you so much for taking the time m reed your th-ghte.
residents. It is also not anenvironmentally friendly place with its manicured
greens treated with pesticides andmassive water usage. The impacts of
climate change are driving many citizens of otherstates to look for
environmentally safer, more inviting areas in which to live—PortTownsend
has alreadybecome such a destination for climate refugees as
prediction so re that the Northwest will be one of the least impacted areas in
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the US. As thepopulation continues to grow, and housing, out of necessity,
becomes more dense, wewill need more truly green, truly open -to -all
spaces. An arboretum -type open space,offering a variety of activities such
as trails for walking, birding in the wetlands,picnicking, educational
opportunities such as plant care and ID, etc, would be an ideal use of this
marvelous piece of land. Keeping the pzdne, possibly in expanded form,
would complement this vision. Add a small building for an information
center and coffee/small plate cafe. Establish a nonprofit Friends
organization to help support it. Thank you.
1/23/2023 PT Golf
re the Golfcoa rse the ,y it is l maybe make a s mall sec tir, for mini golf forThank
you so much foryourinput forth,, com inanity discussion aboutthe P-Tv—send Golf Courseand
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kids the res alot of art, ab v ho us Ing buildingeagoing on. I've lived he re most of m yllfe
Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged yourcommentsand will share them with the Gty Counciland planning
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and s_trat Duropen 'Pa cesa re dpplsa ng fast Please leave the Golf Course l
team for their con -at— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
Thank-Vou
1/23/2023 PT Gbit benefit thecommunity. Here are suggestions regarding the PT Golf Course Thank you so mush foryb—r tforttasro —ty disrussion aboutthefv-bwrserd Gbit Cbrrseard
.ohne that would reduceemissions from commuter transportation and increase Mountain—Cb—,, Ihave bg dyburrom -and Mi share Mem-hth Gty Cbrnm and Iniamm�g
tree/forest carbonsequestration: team forth— e—d—t— Thank ybr sb —h for taking the time m rend your thoughts.
Change zoning to allow high density residential housing on the PTGC
property. Encourage low income high density residential housing
construction on a portion of thePTGC property. Encourage uses on the
Mountain View Commons that would providemarkets/shopping within
walking distance of this future residential area. Considerrelocating some of
the existing uses at Mountain View Commons (police station? Foodbank?
Red Cross?) .
Preserve the Koh Tel Prairie.
Maintain mature, drought tolerant, native (preferred) trees that exist on the
PTGC.
Plant more trees, shrubs, perennials (of this type) as practical to create an
urban forest
with paths/bike trails. Link new plantings to the Koh Tel Prairie.
Engage an environmental urban plannerto facilitate site development
along these
lines. Reducing our GHG emissions and increasing CO2 removals benefit
the community
significantly, in ways that may not at first be apparent. The primary benefit
would be
contributing to climate stabilization, which would also (at a future date)
stabilize sea
level; maintain snowpack/glaciers, stream and river flows and thus our
1/23/2023 PT Gbif Keep the grit course —,l Thank you so —h for yourinput for this coin moony discussion abbot the—tibwnsend Gbif Cburseand
.rim, Mountain View Cbm —. have logged yourcommentsand will share them with the Gty Cbunciiand planning
team for Meir c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking Me time W rend your thoughts.
1/23/2023 PT Gbif ,don't play golf mo often....buti enjoy dining by Me course and admin ng tje openspace.... maybe Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this community discussion a bout the—tibwnsend Gbif Cburseand
.rim, affordable housing could start at the In-bffl ce orcourthb—, vaantareas....asforthe" nothing Mountain View Cbm—. Ihave logged yourcommentsand will share them with the Gty Cbunciland planning
tar kids m db here" ,piI,— ibuise...ibbk team for Meir c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking Me Nme W rend your thought,
around..,--derfui.. rtes n.. fares[.... beaches......geez..aga-A that db— t wool: tar
you....th-gr back w yourvid- games and smart/dumb phone
1/23/2023 PT Gbif Our golf courseisa Beautiful, la rge tact bf public land that is used by a small group ofpebple.l Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this community discussion a bout the—tibwnsend Gbif Cburseand
.rim, dine part the courre frequently &n often —, empty bf golfers dunngpiayabie daylight hours. Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your coin mems and will share them with the Gty Cb—d afid planning
We really need W maker m bre accessible& useful w a —hi-, percentage of bur city's team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
population. It would also be nice w expand the wiidfi —ffl eld,
1/23/2023 PT GaiP
.rim, Maintain the golf course as a green space, an open space.. It was given to
the city as apiece to be a park. But open up trails and ways for the public to
make use of it as apublic park. If the Mountain View complex (formerly
Mountain View School) was closed because ofthe building's structural
problems, why are the buildings being leased to non proms?Shouldn't the
entire structure be rebuilt? Delayed repairs might cause sign if, can tdamage
in the future. Port Townsend School District might be liable. How is that this
isa question the City of Port Townsend is asking us to discuss here?
Doesn't the School District have a say in any decision? And what about the
pool? Yes, I have morequestions than answers. How can I possibly have
clear idea when so much is about infrastructure. And clearly the City does
not have resources to care for theinfrastructure in existence now. (Pot
holes; Repairs of discovery road; Housing;Swimming Pool) the list is just
too long. Yes, everyone has ideas...but question is...howto pay for it.
already our property taxes and city and county taxes are exorbitant --
causing hardship now...all the solicited ideas will go no place....without
funds.I participated in modeling '2020 Greenhouse Gas Community
Emissions Reduction Opportunities' and the 'Forests and Trees
Greenhouse Gas Inventory for 2001-2016 and Next Steps' for the Climate
Action Committee, which includes the City along with other large
stakeholders. I'm a recently retired environmental engineer. Thank you for
your consideration — Cyndy Bratz, cyndy.bratz@gmail.com, 208-440-8335
shank you so much foryourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownsend Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged your comments and will share them with the Gty Council and planning
eam for Meir consid.-- Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
1/23/2023 PT Gait Thank you so much toryourinput torthis community discussion aboutthe P-T,r—... d Gait Course and
.rim, My comments are based on the following assumptions. Port Townsend will Mountain view commo�r. Iha..hcgg.dyour1-11ts aid Mi rr—relywahth—ty--i aid planning
receive alarge number of climate refugees in the next few years, most from team for Mev ennr,d.atinn. Thank y- —h for taking the time m rend your though,
other states. Ou roll mate will change probably with more heat, smaller
snowpacks, and more seve rdrou ght. The current loss of diversity of plants ,
animals and insects will continue. Mostchizens now and in the future will
528 want to retreat to a nature reserve that gives themrefuge from the above
natural declines and that will put more pressure on the openspaces that are
left. These assumptions point to a conversion of the current golf courseinto
a park like setting, which serves more people than the current use, lessens
thewater use, provides shade and habitat, walking paths, and education on
what is neededfor a sustainable environment, a area that is easily
accessible to PT citizens, something like a nature reserve or an arboretum.
1/23/2023 PT Goif The .If cour..isa b—tI open area that, once developed, will never be able m goback. It Thank you so —h for yourinput for this coin inanity discussion about the P-T,r—... d Goff Cours.and
529 .rim, therewere days wh.ntt—id be a park( like weekends) a rid other days Matrtcouid stili be a golf Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged yourcommentsand will share them with the Gty Counciland planning
course, Men the community gas—Thankyouforconsid.nngthe options.boM ways. team for their consid.--Thank you so much fostaking the Nme to rend your thoughts.
1/24/2023 PT Goif Iwasn't able m do the survey intime, but forwhat it's worth l' m against keeping this am golf Thank you so much toryourinput torthis community discussion aboutthe Port T,r—... d Goif Cours.and
.rim, se. Spee kingasa younger person ina n--b,acket, it's impeatrve forthefuture of Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged yourcommentsand will share them with the Gty Counciland planning
530 thismwnmattacta younger, working class demogaphic and golf is notthe way to do that.A team for their consid.-- Thank you so much fortaking the time to rend your thoughts,
pari:, nature area, or something simile r thatis free and friendly tochddr.n would be great. It it
m art be developed, then If housingis m ALL possible thatwouid be m priority.
1/24/2023 PT Goif Spilt the property into two nines; one for open space or dog pa r* a rid the other, toutd— part of Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this coin inanity discussion a bout the P-T,r—... d Goif Cours.and
.rim,the current dnvingange to install a Top Goif activity. Top Goifis.—dingiy popular throughout Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged yourcommentsand will share them with the Gty Counciland planning
the PN W. It seem sto be quite an income g...ratorforothervenues we have seen. Given there is team for their consid.-- Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthoughts.
531 s t already at the PT Goif Cou.s.,food and beer/wine an continue to bea source of
s eu with Top Goif, it is likely toatt— those who might not be full -H edged goiters but who
o.njoy the sop Goiff r— as well as encouage aur local youth who then might became
lovers at golf.
1/24/2023 PT Goif IMO, the city property where the .If current is would better..... the public's interert,foth.r Thank View you so m uch toryourinput for this community discussion about the Port T— ... d Goif Cours,
couldand
532 rim, a be accomodated, such as sports a rid recreation. A new sw--gpooi would b. Mountain Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Gty Council a rid planning
gree; but the cart would need to bl known up front. team for their o—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
1/24/2023 PT Gbit It you invite Pickle Bailers to play at any given day of the week, a minimum of 24 pe,piewill show Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this community discussion a bout the Porti,wn,e.d Gbit Course and
Online up and not everyone who wants t, play an H tint, it(there wbuid be about—h pebpie whb Mountain View C.—, I have logged your cbm mems and will share them with the Qty C,un'il a rid planning
would wants play). It you look at the goif'ourre at any given day,there are less than 4 pebpie. team for Meir consid—t—Thank you so much for taking the time t, rend your M,ught,.
533 As PTlax payers, mare pebpie,houid have r,ght, t, u,ethe c,Iy space. I recommend putting in
re Pubil' PP'kieball &Tennis courts.) believe existing gth'burse an be maintained while
adding mare PB/T,—, courtsintd the existing space. Thank you for Ail the hard d,b!
1/24/2023 PT Gbit Given the need for an aging pbpulanbn t, remain active for phy,ial a rid mental health, Iwbuid Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this cbm nonny discussion about the Porti,wn,e.d Gbit C,urseand
534 Online suggert building m bre pickle ball courts. Mountain View --logged--have logged your cbm meats and will share them with the Qty Cbuncil a rid planning
team for their —d—t— Thank you so much forsaking the time t, rend your thoughts.
1/24/2023 PT Gbit Iwbuid like t, reea �-1y,f recreationai,ption,, If p— allow,, while stili k -e gth, golf Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this cbm nonny discussion about the Porti,wn,e.d Gbit Cburseand
535 Online course.P,,kI,baii and tennis wbuid be great-,— t,add. Mountain View Commbns. I have logged your'o -t, and will share them with the Qty Cbuncil a rid planning
team for their c—d—t— Thank you so much forsaking the time t, rend your thoughts.
1/24/2023 PT Gbit How about a couple tenni„bort, and pickiebaii but ---by q tea dirtancebeause of the Thank youso much tbryourinput for this cbm nonny discussion about the Porti,wn,e.d Gbit Cburseand
536 Online noise fac[,r.Al,o wbuid haven placed,. no—
'ht golf balls ha Me'ourt,. Moun2in View C—ons. Ihave loggedyour cbmmeats and will share them with the Qty Cbuncil a rid planning
team for their —d—t— Thank you so much forsaking the time t, rend your thoughts.
1/24/2023 PT Gbit It wbuid be nice m a dd 1-1 tennis and pickiebaii courts.Thanks. Thank youso much tbryourinput for this cbm nonny discussion about the Porti,wn,e.d Gbit Cburseand
537 Online Mountain View C--Ihave logged your --t,and will share them with the Qty Cbuncil a rid planning
team for their —d—t— Thank you so much forsaking the time t, rend your thoughts.
1/24/2023 PT Gbit Iwbuid like tree Mountain View include a Com nonny Resd—, center that in'1—A nation Thank youso much tbryourinput for this cbm nonny discussion about the Porti,wn,e.d Gbit Cburseand
Online forwiidfi re smoke, a rid heating and cabling, with solas and battery backup, t,increase bur Mountain View Commbns. Ihave loggedyour cbmmeats and will share them with the Qty Cbuncil a rid planning
538 prepaation for climate im pacts in the future.Nate that WA C— meaecurrentiy lb gra ntfor team for their'—d—t—Thank youse much forsaking the time t, rend your M,ught,.
sbiar and back up, which includes funding for planning such asy--
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oagwfor+esii entemmmunities/.
1/24/2023 PT Gbit It,by--han'e,the golf 10,11, and the city owns the prbperty and put,m,ney int, Thank youso much tbryourinput for this community discussion about the Porti,wn,e.d Gbit Cburseand
Online ,upkeep, gthi ngthere,hold be f”, 0,
very cheap for Port T,wn,endresidents.lwant my tax M ounhin View Comm on. Ihave loggedyourcommentsand will share them withth, Cty C,un'il a rid planning
dodos,t,got,ward, somethmg that more pe,pl, an use t,,free,ri—p ensively...Pckiebaii team for their co—d---Thank you,, much t,, -mg the time t, rend your M,ughts.
ts, disc golf, walking tails, nature, pari:, pitch andputt, etc. Nobody should make —y,ff
city awned property. The golf course shodldb, run by the city If it stays. Why would the town
539 esidents want mare of their—dodos, used t, go tar something mart pebpie an't,r don't —1
As a golf courre, I a— allowed t, walk around ,n the property without paying for goifi ng;
d,e,n't seem reght wh- the golf course i, city awned. Leaving an inexpensive driving ange
with,utthe full golf course wbuid be acceptable mo. I d, NOT give permission tar my name t,be
published ,r shared with my comm eats.
1/24/2023 PT Gbit If, by,omechance, the golf 10,11, and the c,ty,wn, the property and put,m,ney int, Thank you s, much to, yourinpdt for this community di„u,sion about the Porti,wn,e.d Gbit C,urseand
Online ,upkeep,golf! ngthere,hold be f”, 0,
very cheap for Port T,wn,endresident,.l want my 2 x Mdd-m View Cann an. Ihave togged yourcod,n,—, and will share them with the Qty Council a rid planning
dodos, t,got,ward, something that more pe,pl, an use t,,free,rinexpensively...Pckieball team for their co—d---Thank you,, much t,, -mg the time t, rend your thought,
t,, disc golf, walking tails, nature, pari:, pitch andp-,, etc. Nobody should make m,ney,ff
city awned property. The golf course shodldb, run by the city If it nays. Why wbuid the town
540 esidents want mare of their—dodos, used t, go tar something mart pebpie an't,r don't urea
As a golf courre, I amn,t allowed t, walk around ,n the property without paying for goifi ng;
d,em't seem reght wh- the golf course i, city awned. Leaving an inexpensive driving ange
with,utthe full golf course wbuid be acceptable mo. I d, NOT give permission tar my name t,be
published ,r shared with my comm eats.
1/24/2023 PT Gbit PI—, add addrt,nai recreation. covered tenniscod,t, Thank you,, m uch for yourinput for this community di„u,sion about the Porti,wn,e.d Gbit C,urseand
541 Online Mountain View Cannan. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Cty Council and planning
team for their co—d—t— Thank you s, much forsaking the time t, rend your thoughts.
1/24/2023 PT Gbit
Helib a nd thank you forengaging with the community bn this -j-1 wolid like t—press how Thank you so —h for your input for this —unity discussion about the P-Tbwnsend Gbif Cb—,and
Onim,
,tai it is that whateverdesigns are dawn up and approved bf by thecommunity, that they
Maintain View Cbmmbns. Ihave logged your coinmeats and will share them with the Qty Cb—d and planning
should ail prioritize surtainability,effi tient design,and renewabieenergy. Whether itis a
team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
unity ,enter, swimming pool,grit--, br coin munitysp— Itshould be fully electric
with It, awn solar panels, effi ient h-umf/c Imi,(ieelectric heat pumps), water—iamatibn
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(where appii,bNy, EV charging, p—,,u, ,t,- transportation bikes/walking), and designed tb
-the least amount bf energypossibie m geneai. It is time tb walk the walk_
alk bn climate change
anddearbonize ourpubilc spaces, and show whata clean, green, and healthy town an Irak like.
Qtypianningis a vital climate solution -please use this bpportunity w lower aur arbonfootprint
bf Port Tbwnsendl Thanksl
1/24/2023 PT Gbit
Keep it a grit colrrewith—it recreational use like pickle bail court, tucked in near them--.
Thank you so m uch for your input for this cbm munity discussion abbot the I`- T-1G°if Course and
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Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your cbm meats and will share them with the Qty Cb—d and planning
team for their c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time W rend your thoughts.
1/25/2022 PT G°if
leave m ost bf the grit course mt-c t please 611111 new tennis court. The(stlil—y)tennis
Thank you so m uch foryrurinput forth,, cbm munity discussion aboltthe Portibwnsend G°if Cbuaeand
Onim,
players in town have already lost some of burcouIt, tb the well -H na ncelpickiebail crowd. We
Mountain View Cbmmbns. I have logged your --t, and wili share them with the Qty Cbuncii a nd planning
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also loot bur him ng wail when they convinced the city tb just hand over the courthburecourts.
t coin for their consideanbn. Thank you so much for taking the time tb rend yrurthbughts.
Please pie ase pie ase db sora ethmg for the true athletes, the tennis cbm munityand please please
please db NOT give mare space m the p,,kiebaii crowd.
1/25/2023 PT G°if
lam mtererted in a new use for the grit course that does notinciude subsidivngwaterrequire
Thank you so —u for your input for this —unity discussion abbot the I`-T—nsend G°if Cbuaeand
Onim,malt-,i,,erand
herbicideappilczflr—Itsholid pr -1, ore ft l- one hobby and
--mView Crbmmns. I have logged your cbm meats and Mishare them with the Qty Cb—d and planning
that is usable bya handful bf people at any given time. 1, fore u, some housing, —unity
team for their consideanbn. Thank you so much for taking the time tb rend your thoughts.
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nt space and rtr�Rures a re grad starts. I havestrbng memories bf great times at Crdbrnice.
Park and live Oak Pari: m Berkeley, —here the iandsape is partly forested for Bary waiks/hikes
and i-iudes piayrtruc —,, amphitheatre, and picnicamenities.
125/2023 PTGbif
I was at the Open House at Fort Warden on January 11.1 attached my
Thankybl ,o—hit, yblrm tit, tta,ro—tymm-- ab— theI`-Tbw"send Grit C -Heald
omme
sticky note on aposter board that said"Explain how the Port Townsend Golf
M°°nrainvlewcbmmbn,. Ihave b.,dyblrrommems and wnl,hareth—wahine Qty Cb—d pi—mi,
Course project hasmorphed into a combination project to include the Mt.
team for their ebn,llearbn. Thank ybl,o mush for taking the time m rend your thought,.
View Commons". The Parks and Rec department seems to have clear
jurisdiction for the golf course and (appreciate that there is a "public
process" for this. It is not clear that the City has jurisdiction over the Mt.
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View Commons. As a stateowned property, the school district has the
"control", however I do understand that theChy manages the property for
the school district. Please make it clear how thesedecisions have been
made and why the city is "in control" of the process for Mt. View. was
deeply concerned with an answer I heard given to a question that was
asked about the Mt. View pool and what would happen to the building if
another aquaticcenter were to be built elsewhere.
125/2023 PT Gbit
I think the Port Townsend golf course provides an important outlet for
Thankybl,b—hforyb—r tfortta,ro—tydlsr--aboltthely-bw",end Gbit Cblaeand
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recreational usefor people of all ages. l believe the problem is it's way
Molntam view Cbmmbns. Ihave ragged y°1re°mment, and wnl chore themw,th the Qty Cb—d and pi—mi,
underused.I'm told in partbecause there isn't adequate budget to do
team forthev ebn.,ld—t—Thank ybl,b mush for taking the time m rend y°lrthblght,.
programming and promotion. I think withsome minor physical improvements
the golf course would be more attractive to golfers.Eut I think more
importantly there needs to be outreach to the community anddevelopment
of programs that attract more golfers or "would be" golfers to the course.For
more
example, Seattle has a First Tee program for its youth that takes
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placeduring the summer. PT youth could defi nitely benefi t from having
more recreationaloutlets and activities. Other programs could be promoted
for seniors and other agegroups, but it takes some backing and personnel
for this to happen. I can't imagine thecourse needs the investment of
$1 million+to increase it's use and value that I saw previously released, but
I do agree that some physical improvements need to be made.And how
abouts mechanical ball sweeper for the range? I can't believe PT Golf
Coursehas people out there collecting those balls by hand. Thank you for
your consideration.
1/25/2023 PT Golf
I strongly advocate for a mixed use plan forgolf course and mountain view
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commons.3ome housing, some actual park green space (as opposed to
M ountam View Commons. Ihavem dyour1-11tsand.ni sr—th—wuhth. Cty--i and piamm�g
golf course) a biggerbetter facility for indoor sports activities such as
t—forth.v,—d—t—Thank you so—h for taking the fume m rend your thoughts.
swimming. The more diversity in typesof space, the higher diversity in types
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of people utilizing the space. Golf, unfortunate) y,provides a singular
experience for a small group of people during a relatively smallamount of
time during the year. For this land to truly be a community
commons,changes must be made. Thank you all for your time and energy
549 1/25/2023 PT Goff
Ithink it's time for the City of Port Townsend to work with local tribes--
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C hemakumdescen dents and S'Klallum-- on a plan that gives land back to
M I,tam VI—Com—. Ihaveh,ggedyour1-11tsand.ni sh—th—wahin—ty--i and pfamm�g
the tribes from whom itwas stolen. Affordable housing so Chemakum
t—forth.v,—d—t—Thank you so—h for taking the fume m rend your thought,
descendents can afford to continue tolive in our area, on their historic
homelands. Preserving the Camas Prairie. We could Pea leader in
considering how to redress wrongs of the past.
550 1/26/2023 PT Goff
Would appreciate more tennis courts. Thank you
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team for Meir c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
551 1/26/2023 PT Goff
I.-Idprefer that a coin inanity center that youth a nd adults can ail use. l do not kno.on.
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person that,u—uy uses the grit course. Besides the fact that therein anoth.rgrif courre that
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the few can use.
team for their c—d—t— Thank you sr much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
552 1/26/2023 PT Goff
I.—Id like w ree the golf course gone and replaced with mm.thing like what—5,q—at the
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Blake park.Aplace where many foiksand families,ouidfindsomethingofint.... t m dr. l
Mountain View Commons. Ihave logged yourcommentsand will share them with the Gty Counciland planning
a n the Pi summerband sol.-Id love to see a,ov.r.d pef,—ri, itorah who,ouid
—fortheirc—d—t— Thank you sr much for takingthe time to rend yourthoughts.
are
f course, or baseball, a picnic walking tails, bike
rt. oth.rid.as,ouid include pi,ki.baii,oase
ra,
ails, r.pamng or reputing th.pooi, exerts. room, art room.. I'm not sure haw the pari fl is in
with the mine area butitwouid b. great to include it. Maybe including same medium income
h—,I,g,ouid payforthis —p ari:. Car[ in obviously a major ostein.
553 1/26/2023 PT Goff
Revision as a pubicpari:,but.ithsome SUSTAI-11, ICI CIISCIOUS, 111-11L FIED,
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Uy prf,.d, SMALL houms,dup"_and tripi,w— on.,orn.r. Hgoifers want to keep It,
nnth.yn..dto—up
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thewith the money w sustain itth.msd—without using public/sty
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funds.
554 1/26/2023 PT Goff
It Mer. was sufficient inter.rt in playing grit in Port T—r—d the golfo—,.ouidhay. far
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s. Man Chas. In reviewingth,—mBotsand opinion, rt tolks.hotook the survey, many
Mountain View Commons. Ihaveirgged Y__ _d
will share them with the Cty Grassland planning
of the partpants at the open haus., It w th..dimrin Th.Lmd.r and through
team fortheir consideanon. Thank you sr much fortakingthe time to rend yourthoughts.
trove withfnends,lhave developedthefoilowingopinionn. open spa,. isvitai to our
communiry.nGoif is vocally supported, ort sr much on th.fairway. Other recreational asivrties
in far mare. H rasing tor.ori:ing,lassp.opi. in essential if w1 are to cantina. being
iengaged
tai, )lumbi. community. A po,t,. ofth. 57 acres, 10 acres or sr has been suggested, ,raid b,
devoted m p.rma—ti,ffrrdabi. housing perhaps crrp—t-ly built, awned and managed
without - Irg-- other uses. As Richard Berg suggested in a ).neat Th, leader, since ail of
this land was the usualand curmmary hunting, gathenngandliving place of the Chimakum
perp ie, the mb.sshouid at least b, cr—l- and asked Ifwantthe land returned. As
.niers here., awe much that can never b, adequately,,-h, Jame-_ S' Kiailam awn
andop.ate a golf course. I .raid guess they might have same well considered ideas
abo—pp-t, uses rt this k-
555 1/26/2023 PT Goff
I.-Id love to reesome of Mel and used for tennis and pi,ki.bMl crurtsanda pari:.
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team for their co—d—t— Thank you sr much for taking the time to rend yourthoughts.
556 1/27/2023 PF Goif
lam i,fawr of keeping our city goif course. l am nota golfer, norismy husband.However, we
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golf--, ad ,Id— db ldme by and nobody is piayinggoif, weather permitting
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ofcourre.lf money iso concern, wise the fees, keeping m—d-dentsand seniors should not
team for Meirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthoughts.
pay full price. And while I'm voicing my opinion, FIX THE PDT HOLES IN OUR STREETS! Do we
need toincrease city retail taxes? Do we need a gant? Do we need to move money around? lose
Benton Street where It toms— Fr daily, and I am forced to dme m the oncomingian
ve, b-- ane hale is so big. That is dangerous, especially because othe high school -dents
walking and dining.
557 1/27/2023 PF Goif
Did you hearor read a bout in theJanuary25Lmder the State ofthe Cty speech?lf youdid you
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may have noticed that Mere was mine money forrneets but notenough, somem oney forsewer
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repair but not enough and working- funding for housing. They will belookmg at the state's
team for Meir consideanon. Thank you so much for taking the time to rendyourthoughts.
increased mrtab tees and mien tax revenues. There was nomention of money fora!! the things
you were told you could have at Mt. View. That isbemuse currently Mere is none. Si, why
en uage you to think of ail the --VI y- want knowing they do not even have
e ough money for meets,sewers-dhousing?
558 1/27/2023 PF Goif
Leave the golf course as Itis. It encouages individuals of MI ages to get outand ---d,
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real goifersorj-p--mgaround. My neighbor plays with her 95 year aid
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father. I hear he's pretty good!
team for their c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
559 1/30/2023 PF Goif
Keep the 9 hole course. This is a gem!
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team for their —d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yburthoughts.
560 1/30/2023 PF Goif
Iwould love to ree the large property spilt into three uses.A pari: for ail, a small golf! —
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preserve the d--', mtention,and lowincome housing a long San Juan Ave tog—more
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families a chance to stay m PF and add to the economic diversity of ourcom —ty.
team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
561 1/30/2023 PF Goif
Tennis courts would be --1
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.Him,
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and willshare them with the Cty Council and planning
team for their —d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
562 1/31/2023 PF Goif
I would like the goifcourre to rema-I d like m seechan toencouage morepartcipationand
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ue. The current rert--has cloth napkinsand is neveropen. Igo backmthe
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mfe/mndwich shop format with a n interertingmenu and peopiewouid come again. t' Ild to be
team for their consideanon. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
fun to sit outside in that pretty area with a nice Iunch.Next, if the comments are t— tht the city
in groups do nothing to advertise thecourre that It", b 11
t",b11 and should change. And, I wish
the course would consider ib—mg— closed hours when people inn walk the course. Sell
walking passes for 111-e.I'd buy ane f I could walk late m the day or summer evening. Paths
could be along thetrees to avoid wear on the fairways. PS I would use the pool rfit had better
hours for lapswims.
563 2/1/2023 PF Goif
keep public golf course
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team for their —d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthoughts.
564 2/10/2023 PT Golf
Assuming the City decides to continue m use the goit course property as a ninwhol. golf--, Thanks for your thoughts, l will pass it along w the team and ree how it tit, with the recommendation, from the
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I'd like W suggest two very different approaches they might take that w..111 wmany more
golf consultant.
golfers and provide annual revenue for the City.i. Municipal golf courses are typically managed
under th,parks departm eat. Mink an a pproach that could wort: well for the PT course is to
have the pari:, department wo -, maintain the course, while the pro shop, dining ange, and
un by independent contactors. The S' 110—robe, who awn the Dungeness Golf
Cour,. m S.quim, currently have this kind contactual arzangement with the Peninsula Golf Club
m Part Angeles far running their pro shop. As W the maintenance of the course, my sense is that
o three full-time positions, assuming ane has substantial greens keeping expen.nce, could
achieve the needed upgrades and sun —d course quality w achieve positive revenue for the
city, particularly with the strong volunteer group at the PT c-- Being parks department
employees, these wo -, could also be assigned wort: at other pari:, famines where
approprtate2. A second very different approach to the future management of the PT Golf Course
would involve approaching regional robes with proven tack records m ownership and
---of golf c-- whether they'd be interned m taking on the upgrade and running
of the PT course. Two obvious choices are the Jamestown S'KIMI— robe who awn the Cedars M
Dungeness Golf Course m Sequim and the Suquamish Indian T, -,b, who awn the White Horse Golf
Course in Kingston. A recent letterW the leader gently suggened giving the golf course property
back to the Indians. I'm sure thesis not on the table for the PT course, but might Mere be a
regional mb. who would be interested m a very long-term l.as.2 1 apolog—if I've gone on too
much here, ..penally f th,, ground has already been covered in your ,,sorted meetings. Thanks
,gam forth, wog: you are dnmg.
566 2/3/2023 PT Golf
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The golf courre uses p—,real estate that could otherwise help the whole w mmunity not just,
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, and will share them with the City Council a nd planning
few From nature reserves to a descent dog -k m so m,thingforour kidswho a re so bored,
eam fortheirc—d---Thank you so much f,, -mg the time W rend your thoughts.
they are turning to other Ming, 1111, don't remind me of the skate park. Aft,. 15 Kid, present,
it becomes dangerous Places m meet for Coffee where one doesn`t have to light the tourtnsfor
eat? A wintertime skate area so we don' have m drtv, m P Angeles? Whata b -l- outdoor
e. skating areal Even a tiny home community cou ld all fft in that vavt area. It "'Id g,n,ate
income not loose income for the mwn
567 2/4/2023 Pi Golf
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and planning
✓n with few recr—,—1 activity for Kids, it isa welcome affordable alternative. The other
team for theirc—d---Thank you so much f,, -mg the time W rend your thoughts,
golf courres in the surrounding areas a re too expensive for my husband and Kid, to go roe
568 2/4/2023 Pi Golf
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(support maintainingthe Port Townrend Golf Course for golf Although lenfoy oth,racttviti,s,
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com meats and will share them with the C ty Council a nd planning
such av swimming a nd hiking,ICa n'imagfn, whylh,se activities should require the closing of
team for theirc—d---Thank you so much fo,-mg the time W rend your thoughts.
this lovely wurse
569 2/6/2023 Pi Golf
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Thank you fort,ldng input, Pleave leave the golf course greenway forth. birds -d wildlife
Mountain View Commons. I havelogged yourcommentsand will share them with the Gty Council a nd planning
Builders are quickJy,h,pp,,g away at their habitm our town. Pleave,0 no dw,llingson this
team for theirc—d—t— Thank you so much fortakingthe time to rend yourthoughts.
c al parkland Shrink o r disappear the golfcourre.l'veownedahousenearbyfor32y—
seefewgolf—m the wurse Expanding the Pairt, wou Idbe wonderful.
570 2/7/2023 Pi Golf
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Itseems that large lovely gr„nspaw in the middle of Port Townsend wind be better used if it
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,valla bl, to more people There isa s mall group of individuals that have access m this area.
team for their —d—t— Thank you so much fortakingthe time to rend yourthoughts.
The, e mart be some way m accom —d- more of the public. Let's keep it green, but increave
o those that don't golf Wa Iking tails? Are there any wrners to put in P,,kl, Ball warts?
A- at active, outdoorv,w,s.
571 2/8/2023 PT Gait Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Port T— ... d Gait Course and
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green space a rid especially the natfve—dowsectton areimpenttve hour healthy Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com mems and will share them with the Cty Counciland planning
unity. What ldon't like isro much landin the cents. of ourtown being v. reeam d loran tfor Meirc—d—b— Thank you so h tortaking Me b— h, rend your thoughts.
_1_"purpose such av golf I[ is an expensive sport and excludes p-,,,,-, by our less
fortunate community members. The current course takes up valva ble land that could be enjoyed
by all wa IL (or rtdes)of ourwm—by. Since there iso nice golf ..... rtght outside city limih,
,by can't that be used for golfers? Ves, fees are higher, Maybe av a _Pp ,%Tse, keep a dRvfng
ange and a putttng Cirwit on the town courre. The rest of the space would be wonderful to
share wrtM our regular community for walking mils, disabled access paths, picnicareav, exercire
and name [nils where people can walk and e,joyth, greenspace Acovered picnicarea
(like m w Carroll Park) would be great also since there are no places like that in twn forsmall
gathertngs. Keep Me restaurant, or convert it to a community Id[chen that the Food Banka rid
other like enttttes could use Pleave dont allow Me prtvileged few t, exclude the use of nucha
hea.,ure forthe rert of vs
572 2/9/2023 PT Goff Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this com gunny discussion about the Port T—...d Goff C—,,
Online I understand that the survey has cI—d, l hope wmpl,-g this w m —t .,II be a llowed Ifeel Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Qty Council a rid planning
that thew.... Golf Course use is sparse -d exclusive of other actl,b—, l wou Id like t, seea—fortheirc—d—b—, Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thought,
public pa rk Wth play ground, name areae, including accessible walking trails, and a disc golf take
the place of the underused Golf course Pleave plan around the mature trees.
573 2/9/2023 PT Goff Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this com gunny discussion about the Port T— ... d Goff C—,,
Online Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and willshare them with the Cty Council and planning
This needs to be a mint, vsearea-trails,picnicarea, maybe a 3 ho le golf....re or frtsbee golf team forth.irc—d—b—, Thank you so much fortakingthe tigeto rend your th_
ghts.
coui se And if possible builda few afforda b le housing units.
574 2/19/2023 PT Golf Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this community discussion a bout the Port T— ... d Golf Courseand
Online The Cortof brt,g,,g this golf course up to mndards is notjvstttied gNen the declining interert M ountain View Commons. Ihave logged yourcommentsand will share them w,thth,Cty C—„I-dpI—mg
a ndparifcipat—in Mis sport Keepingthespace open for pauses recreatton—wal ldng,joggfng, team for theirc—d—b—, Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your th_
ghts.
biking, and a sv✓m ming pool, occupying the footp,, t of the extsttng club b—,is more closely
aligned',h the wm munity% recreat 11 nal needs. Keeping it av open spa Ce Wth limited
development reflects the planned higher density development of surrounding parcels and the
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u easing importa rice open green space in a more densely developed Port Townsend Finally, av
open spa Ce the Ste ConMbutes environmental beneftts for managing runoff that would
othe.Wse require expensive --water infav[ructure to accomplish.
575 2/22/2023 PT Golf Porc Townrend G, If Course is a valued part of Porc Townsend% history. It provides green space Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this com gunny discussion about the Port T— ... d Golf C—,,
Online and recreatton andira valva ble investments hared by a 11 residen4 -d visitors It'% eavyto lose Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Qty Council a rid planning
andvetydiff111 t to reclaim from concrete and development Pl,— keep supportingthe Porc team for theirc—d—b—, Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
Townsend Golf Courre.
576 2/22/2023 PT Golf Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this com gunny discussion about the Port T— ... d Golf C—,,
Online—Id love to res the golf course remaina golf Course. l do like M.idm of sh-mgsp—witha Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Qty Council a rid planning
disk golf course. Seegelike big changes m can pumping big m on.y into. Please make every team for theirc—d—b—, Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thought,
effort to rave what we have. left of open ep- m Port Townrend. What a jewel it is.
577 3/5/2023 Cauncii
Ae a relative newcomerin town (32 years) and ae mg eon. who only used the golf course twice I
find the idea that the golf course ie”underutilized"to be very problematic. What objective data
would define " under utilitzation'"? One Could argue that the Cherry Street Pari: ie under utilized.
Sage Could be mid forthe Bobby MCGarzaugh Pari:, Pape Monne Pari:, Kah Tai Lagoon Nature
Pad:, Memorial Field, Chetzegoka Pad:, and even Qty Halle Council Chambers. But let ue be
clear, there are enough tails that are "under utilized". There was an attempt to incrre umge
which led too map of exirdng tails being created a rid disseminated. We even havethm.
advantage of Fart Warden State Pari:. Thore tails are definitely "under uflitzed". Even so, there
ares es Mat l have nut seen discuss ed. If we werem convert Me golf course into nature tone
we would be giving more space for Coyotes leading to mare pet deaths and we would be Cratmg
mo ,space tarhog elem enm a,htala Kah Tai. Then we have the—W aspect,. The golf
n open air place tar people who have limited mobility. They may be using golf —, to
get trop hole to hole but are"outm nature" and hanging out with fnende. Getting rid of the
cou may create more social isolation forthis group. Then we haveaddrtionai limitations for
,at
on for the young people in our community. We mn ail laud the cayf—h, kat,pa,k
(,,—h,, -de utilized and p—,t,aily threatened tar reuse?), however not ail kids skate. Are we
goingto cthb-et, takeaway recreational spaces or are we going to —-—that the
majority"should not takeaway activity optionsfrom g—tygroups?
3/5/2023 PF Galt
Online Asa relative newcomer m town(32 y,—)and as.mean. who only used the golf course twiceI
find the idea that the golf course is"underutilized" to be very problematic. What objective data
would define " under utilitarian"? One could argue that the Cherry Street Pari: is under htd—d.
Same could be mid for the Bobby M --ugh Pari:, Pape Monne Pari:, Kah Tai lagoon Nature
P-,M,—W Field,Ch,tzemoka Pari, and even Qty Hail's Council Chambers. But let us be
clear, there are enough tails that are "under utilized". There was an attempt W rocs.. hmg,
which led to a map of existing tails being created a -d disseminated. W, even have the
advantage off Fart Warden State Pari:. Thom tails are definitely "under ht,iz,d". Even so, there
ora sthatIhay.not s.err discussed. IH we were t, convert the golf course int,hat—tans
we would be giving more space for coyotes leadingW mare pet deaths and we would be c,,aflng
mo e space tar homeless enm -,ht, ala Kah Tai. Then we have the .tial aspects. The gait
n open air place tar people who have limited mobility. They may be using gait—, to
get tram hole to hole but are"outm nature" and hanging out with friends. Getting rid of the
cou may cratemor, social isolation ft, this group. Th en we have additional limitations for
on for the young people in our community. Wem-a ii laud the city Horth,"skat,pa,b
(isthis''under htiined and p—ht,a ly threatened tar reuse?), however not ail kids skate. Are we
goingtocontinue to takeaway recreational spaarose goingto recognize that the
majority" should not take away activity options ces from minwe ority groups?
---- The following may be helpful in yourconsvdeation of the future of the golf-- There area
s ring of connected negative outcomes f the Courre is reduced to Hewer than 9 hales. A gait
with Hewer than 9 hales would not qualify asa regulation course nor be able W support
th.,SGA ha -limp system, and would, there tore, not be abler -hold toumaments. In addition,
any shortening of the,xisting9 hales would make the already short course less attractive W the
a ,ag, golfer. lackingth. ability W hold toumaments would eliminate play by mart goiters and
wouldmak
make rtimpossibie to retsina hag (ified gait--' manager who would depend on those
and rtagoiters to
dy play by e viable the business of running the C-- Also,
without -a lomi regulation course, the High School gait team would likely disband due to the
n of daily dnvingto Disco very bay t, pa—,.Alm, the --off money,am,d
through gait toumaments for chanties and scholarships would end. ($700,000 over the past 20
years) Finally, income from the golf course business prerently serums $75,000 or mare to the
city. It Wmyknowledge, the only City owned land that earns m on.y forth, Oty, tlJ� byid
is lost as a business, the Oty will have to pay for the upkeep of the 45+ m acres of gas,
and trees. (ass ming the Qty does not want a 45+ acre brush Heid) Prerentiy, the Course
-ager and golf",bIhnt.ersaccount Horatimrt2 FTEsp,ry,artomanag,th.land, tnsing
the Cour. would mean the Gty would have to pay for p,opi,to do that work, and the Qty
would have to invertin mowers that cart many tens of thoumnds of dollars each. The Qty would
also be responsible for the wtai upkeep of the irrigation ryrt—Prerentiy mart of the Oty's pans
do not re..rv, regular—m-tance. Does the Qty really want t, add t, the burden by
maintaining another 45+ acres?
3/2t/2023 PF Gait Yah are correct I really J.t know where I heard, or thought I heard the larger number. I
Online apolog—for that error. Ich,,k,d and Hound the City has collected as —h a,$19000, when
themembership was at Its height. AH the mare reason W enhance and promote the Cohrs, so
add_ ai funds would flow to the Qty as golf incomeincrmres...
3/6/2023 PF Gait
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We need to protect green spaces in the —.unity to preserve the --Hy and culture of
Parc Tow -rend
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mm for Meir consid,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
I have logged yourinput into the process, and )see the Mayor did get back to you. W, are t,h wori:ing on a clear
picture of the finances, but just W be clear, the golf course adds $10,000 contactually W the city, but the Qty
spends about $20,000 m water and repairs So, I am not sure where you are getting your $75,000 number. Can
you let me know? Am I missing .meth, -g? Thanks!
Thanks.
Thank you so much for yourinput torthis community discussion about the Portiow-send Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Oty Council and planning
team for their --at—, Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthought,
3/7/2023 PT Goif I--giy support closing the golf course -d turning the sit,into a fac(Iity that.tll Thank you so —h for yourinput for this com —ty discussion about the P -T— ... d Goif Courseand
Online modat,abroad,ra.g, of acttvitl,s for Port Townsend CA,,—. l ask that the City consider Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Qty Counciland planning
the folloWng points.l. Very few people actually play golf o n this course Itis usually Completely team for Meirc—d—t— Thank you so much fortaking the time to rend your thoughts.
empty. The ,arse'sown data shows thatin 202 1,, tot,I of 143 people bought a paw to play
golf and another 19 bought,.nual pauses. 2, The proponent. of the ..urs, point to a dowm,.t
purporting to show thM $700,000 hav been wised for 6-ty over the lout 20 years, But there are
nodetails gNen and every single enhy is a round number, which suggests that no records -,t to
dowm,ntthis i.f—t,`,.. 3. The Course is really more akt, to p, - p roperty, not a public
enhy. The ", golfing publi"is excluded from the wurse even though it is public property.
Except for the odd sktabl, day, non golfers are not allowed on the property except via the
d' "_yto use the mediocre remnant. 4, Golfers have plenty of golf.g pp --t— nearby.
The Discovery Bay golf wurse is only 5 miles outside of town, and there are 3 ..arses S,q — 5.
The golf courre uses enormous natual rew..... The data on the website shows water usage of
b—'11711111— .illion gallons of water, year. Add to that the necessary chemic, Is to
f,rtllize the special gayses needed for golf, and herbicides etc. The .otto. that the wurse can
mehow be landscaped to accom modate both golf and other uses such av walking tails seems
stained know thatfvs[walkt,g down the she —t t, the wurse can result,.dodging golf
balls. If uses were alternated, the., would stdl need to be infamucture including hails,. -lied
for wal kers, unless walkers areallowed to amble anywhere on the maniwred wurse Pleaue
adopt a pia n that wrtll allow more Port Townsend Cifiz-- and visitors too —to use this high
profle, public property. There are many choices including trails, exercire cottons, hrmeri
markets, an outdoor.....tt venue, that would beneftt more than the ha ndful of go Iters who use
3/8/2023 PT Goif Pl,au, keep the Qty golf..urs, �,a golf..arse l Itis a such sweet unique..arse rtght i. our Thank you so —h foryourinput forth,,com-unity discussion aboutthe P -T— ... d Goif Course and
Online o...l have pia 11,,,—y'—y 1—, over the lout 25 years -d l hope to play —ny more Mountain View Common,. I have logged your --t, them with the Qty Counni a nd planning
years la ✓alk,randl don't1,6-,.,.,,d mo re tails in tow.. W, already have this team forthe,rc—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thought,.
golf courre, let's formulate a plan to make it sucwssfu ll let's get more people and youths out
there playing through good management that hau i....ttve to make the..arse work. I'm vJlling
to put w m, tlm, inW bolsi, r ,gimproving the..arseand I know ma ny othersare too.let's
keep our b—t ful gem of a golf ..arse wo rkt.g.
3/11/2023 PT Golf Another badid,, from the Qty Council. There really ... & to be a Citlz,n Watchdog Committee Thank you so —h foryour input forth,Community d„cusnon aboutthe P-T.n,end Golf Courseand
Online to keep a close eye o. the ha lfaysed/v✓tted ideav that..me outof this City government. let's Mountain View Common,. I have logged your com -t,and MHshare them with the Qty Counni a nd planning
se v the brtlliant idea of wttt.g down all the poplar tees a long S—o. the—fortheir '—d—t—, Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thought,.
premise th t It would e...uag, more touRs m' Currently it's spending money o. a .other toff"
on Sims -instead of apairt.g the crumbling streets i. town - t,, filling all the potholes. The
golf course should be protected&preserved-not"developed The vestedinter-of city
..un embers needto be publicly port,di, wy hall- t,, who mals to benefit from -Y
proposal. W ho are the —It—, ...tactors, downtown property owners who are pushing these
deo,.
585 3/26/2023 PT Golf The Port Townrend Goif Course is a n ignored--,, ,ghtin the h,a It four b—tlful city .For Thank you so —h for yourinput for this —unity discussion about the P -T— ... d Golf Course and
Online any of vs, -Y golf course isa d,sttn-, golf course. Ourcourre plays welleven in its..rant M...twin View Commons. I have logged yourcommentsand will share them with the Gty Counniand planning
sasof d,cline.Vey f,wwurses in this regio n play av we I in the wet tl of the yearas our am for their co—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthought,.
se do,s,av PT GC arum l ly chins its,If. Otherwurses becamealnt-too wet to play. PTGC e
t, the exwptton, even W the,»tint thmt golf cart may be d-- o n the fairways, MI golf
courses have what is caned 8 90 degree rule durtng the v-1,, y- may drtv, on the path
ong the fairway—,I even With the ball , and then you cross the fairway to your ball on foot
This is a big deal if youare impaired .. ,8—Id, F80—not being a d,stlnat
lon
e , that,, -8 'by
what our courre .could ghtyeasiyly be I have often wondered why itis so
ignored by the C,ty,f..wunfl— p,opl,th, world over, playing golf t, a way cflife What if
PTGC became an open pallet for the master gardeners cf Port Townrend. A botanical garden golf
wurse, an o rganic golf wurse, a sate haven for birds,, tl,, s, and nature lovers av it
ready is and could easily and cheaply be even m o re. When ltr Ml, a place with my family,)
awaystake my clubs, no matter where I go, there is a golf wurse W play Itis a Iwaysa
wnsid,ntton. The., are more and more folks playing golf than eve. before if not mistaken,
an a Lenge of ove.20% per yearincreave, lots and lots cf young folks have picked up the game in
aningf,l way For th, City gov,.nm,nt,(o,,employees) to ignore this asset, und,.mine
and ab_it byck
8"
of Ca.,, no fundi ng no p.om,t ,isindeedac nt, by omission Do not
mess With what you do not understand. learn to play golf, you wtll l—, m o re about yourself in
round than you ever thought p—KI, Itis byfarthe mostchallenging game everinvented
by man.
586 3/29/2023 PT Golf where may Lead the public wmments made by the folks who have v-tten in7 You an find ail the c—entsand other documents at www.cityofpt/envision.
Online
3/29/2023 PT Goff It's nucha lovely area, it would be nice if"" 8
moreota l=,,v,,, r, ab I bl, vn,8 y it is it possible to Thank you so m uch fo.yourinput forth,, community discussion aboutthe Portiown,end Goff Courseand
SSJ Online reduce the -,of the golf....re and have ro me arlb,
for bird watching, walh,g Mountain View Commons. I have logged yourcomments and call, share them with the Qty Counni a nd planning
picnickingo,:D,flniWlynotinfavo. of dev,Iopm,nt that v—ld,ttminat, the green space,butt team forth,,.co—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time w rend your thought,.
d, believe it s hould be available to the public.
3/31/2023 PT Goff W,p8—d by the golf....re almostev,ryday. l a m totally against paying for and wasttng land Thank you so m uch for yourinput for th„com—tyd„cusnon about the Po,tT—.... d Golf Courseand
Online o.th.eep,op I' Ca n vs, it for a game. W, n,v,, more than four people o n the --Mountain View Commons. I have logged yourcomments and w,ii,hareth,, ,,thth, Qty Counni a nd planning
at the sa me t_and that even happens_''y.Y-mus[.ewgniz, that people who a re hard at team forth,,.co—d—tn. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthought,.
5. work, are busy wising children, or befog ..,takers, etc. don't have tme W sit and—b,
s about their opinions. Pleave let logic, not the "vocal --ty "sway your opinions. Ilse
th t land for the purpore of ALL the people of Port ---dl
4/1/2023 PT Goff Pl,av,.,pu —the golf coupe areaav a public recreatton Cent, and -k, With so m,land for Thank you so m uch for yourinput for th„com—tyd„Cusnon about the Po.tT—.... d Goif Courseand
589 Online affordable h --g. Mountain View Commons. Ihave loggedyo Comment,
and MHsha,th— w,ththe Gty Counni a nd planning
team for their co—d—W, Thank you so much for taking the time w rend your thought,.
4/1/2023 PT Goff Pleave KEE P the golf course Itis a vital and affordable opt— for ma ny seniorCb-,e .l don't Thank you so m uch for yourinput for th„com—tyd„Cusnon about the Po.tT—.... d Golf Courseand
590 Online think roil t,votes for o n, side o. the other shirr Mountain View Commons. I have logged your commentsandwf,hareth— w,ththe Qty Counni a nd planning
team for their co—d—W, Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthought,.
4/2/2023 PF Golf As we av a w m --y shuggie to decide what to do v✓th Port Townrend Go if Course, l suggest
Online Iooktng no farther tha n seq—% Carrte Blake -k m envision what's po-ble.Thiselegantly-
d—g-d, environmentally-frtendly, AOA�ccessible park packs so much into its 52 acres that it
nlyserves the ent- wm— ty. Thetwo land ma�esare similarin size the Port Townsend
Golf Course (PTGC) sits on 11 acres; Ca rite B lake Park is 52 acres. PTGC serves golfers v✓th a 9-
hole golf wurse, drtving range, putttng green, and chipping a rea. By the Golf --'s own
rs, in 2021 only 212 rounds of golf were played—orslightly more than 1/2 round per day.
Carrte B lake Park serves children, athletes, seniors, bird watchers, gardeners, walkers, dog loves,
music fans, skatebo'1,11t, picnickers, and even v✓ldlife. Carrte Blake park is able t, —" such a
vJde "g, of sequim Cittzens and visitors because it has so many amazing features, including a
J_—' garden, a botanical garden, walking paths, Pickl". courts, coveted picnic -d BBQ
f—lhttes, an amphitheater, shuffleboard and bocce ba II courts, a fishing pond, several duck
ponds, a rhea m, two playgrounds, playing Rends, a BMX track, a skateboard park, a dog agility
se, three off�ea¢h dog parks, wcwr a nd softba 11 lfelds, plenty of benches under shady heel,
and even an event center v✓th a wm mer—I kttchenl Visit this pa rka yt—, even on a cold,
blustery day, and you'll see dozens of people and dogs enjoying the dog parks, playgrounds,
wal king paths, and ponds. 1, warmer months, the park fairly buzzes v✓th people enjoying the
es, including picnics, barbewes, and the amp hitheater fo r co nwrts Golf wurses are
nousfy untrtendly to the environment, wnsuming lots of watera nd pesttc(des The Port
Tw✓onsend Golf Club up to 9 million gallons of Port Townsend Qty water free of charge
ach year. In 111-1t, Ca rrte Blake Park was designed av a water re -use demonstrattons project
Much of the park im't ir,,pt,d Innead they — natual mulches The parts of the park that
require irrtgatton re-uses water from the Qty. The well-designed ponds regularly attract a large
vartety of birds and ducks, including mallards, pintails, bufflehead, A-1-1.✓9111,, bald
eagles, _d
nd more. Port Townrend', golfers certainly deserve a place to play. They have iC
0i--ty Bay Golf CO-1 is a n 18 hole, 225-acre wurse that GOP— g—, 4.1 stars out of 5
and reviewers call "one of the b- kept secrets in the whole mte' and it's only 14 minutes from
4/9/2023 PF Golf I just viewed the video ofthemkeholders—mg from March 23, 2023. My questton is that
Online v✓ththe Kah Tai Lagoon Nature Park of 15, --j- acrossthe sheet from the Port Townrend
Golf Course, why is making the golf wurse a"n re parkeven an optton orchoice7 Kah Tai iso
bigger better nate park optton. And why area t the townspeople using Kah Tail Is it because
people don't feel safe there? There should be more patrols thn Kah Tai and and more
ce from City parks workers in Kah Tai. It would make more sense t,ave an p,,
open area
on Kah Tai grounds v✓th a children's playground there, especially near where Chore Ba nkis now.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiownse.d Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Qty Council and planning
team for Meir c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the Portiownse.d Goif Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and willshare them with the Qty Council and planning
team for their conside-- Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
4/15/2023 PF Goif David Johnson saysrtweir. We have enough`gionous'"pari:,—see Chet—oka Part: and Fort Thank you so much for yourinput for this com —ty discussion about the Portiownse.d Goif Course and
Online Worden. There are— roustails. What we don't have are rtreets withoutpotholes, M —t—View Comm ons. I have logged your comm —,and will share them with the Qty Council a nd planning
opportunities for the young and old to engage in outdooracnvrties. Please show up... and tell the team for their 1-11d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time w rend your thoughts.
city that none of those—are what we want W, want w keep the golf course. W e want to
have a livable city tar mare than just those with lots of money w control the politics in our fair
city. David Johnson
PT Golf
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5/3/2023 AD IFFFF ENT VISION I have men ail the cosuitant pmpnmd nptinn f—hl golf course and read
many of the public comments. While, according to the consultant, 7- of respondents m the
rvey supported alternative or hybrid uses of the golf course, the lack of crmtrvity and
maginat - regard to Mose alternative uresis dimppointing. These options are ju't rehashes
of aid ideas, nothing new, nothing directed toward solving aur mart pressing and urgent issue.
An opportunity mismd. Itis, as a friend recently mid, `designed for the haves, not the have oats"
It Ieighed aga
of and pa
s clearW — that addtio.ai open space parks, are small concern when winst
the lack of housi.gin aur city. One of the mart cited ream. that people move here is the
abundance of outdoor recreational activrtes and natuai beauty. Of ail of the answers m your
rvey Me mart telling are the responses from high school students. The next gen-- of
adults in aur community wantto see affordable housing on this land. That is their number ane
choice tarbath the golf course and Mt. View. H aw an weignore Mem?It is tim e W listen W the
children. They are reghtfuily and urgently concerned about whether they will be able to live he—
We
ere.We have a responsibility to at im t provide same opportunities. Our legary m faris notve,y
admiabie. The enure golf course needs to become a planned residential community, —bating
nety of housing styles and sizes, types and levels of affordability, multiple concepts in a pari:
like setting. Converting publicly awned property into housing mn remove the cart of land tram
the equation while"' premrving the opportunity tar home ownership and affordable rentals.
There could be dune's of tiny homes adjacentW c -peat ively awned and managed multifamily
apartmems lomted near community gardens and playgrounds; townhouses, duplexes and
cottage housing connected by walking tails; boarding houses with community kitchens could
ve the needs of many single talks. One avenue to accomplish this could be the creation ata
Pubilc Development Authority whose mission would be to develop housing consirtent with a
matrix of -t-a.
Further cntena would relate to the selection of potential residents weighted in favor of such
things a, need, and lomi reside diversity and equity, lomi employment and abilityW
partici pate in —t—t— and development. It reems to— that within aur great —oony we
have manyindividuals withthetalent and expertise to visualize and cont'" mthe
development ata projeR of this nature. W, need to mobilize this energy. This, then is not ju't a
different kind of vision for the golf course rt is also a mil to action. While we d not doubt the
great and goad intentions of aur elected government and their dedimted staff who are wort:
award solutions tar aur housing crisis, we the people need m be willingW stand up and assume
rolesas leaders. W e cannot accept limited options in the development of this resource.
Thinking and acting `outside the box' is required. Itis time W recognize Mat the lack of housing
tial crisis for theclty of Port Townsend. Itis time W be bold and Holy creative. The
Authority could convene a design competition with a significant prize to create a model housing
unity with integrated health -e, —W services, child —e and eider sup port. The
development cntena that would need m be met are ae'[hetics, affordability, diversity of housing
types and'Eye' and be
build as ciom W net zero as passible. Further cntena would relate m
the selection of potential residents weighted in favor of such things a, need, and lomi reside.
diversity and equity, lomi employment and ability W participate in construction and
development. It seems to me that within aur great community we have many individuals withthe
talentrid expertise to visualize and contribute to the development ata project of this nature.
We
need to mobii2e Mis energy. This, then , is notjun a different kind otvision for the golf
s also a call W action. While we d not doubt the great and goad intentions of aur
electedgovernmentandtheir dedimted tall who are wort: toward solutions for aur housing
cn we Me people need to be willing m stand up and assume our roles as leaders.We a-ot
ccept limned options in the development of this resource. Thinking and acting `outside the box"
required. Itis time W recognize that the lack of housi.gis an exi'te.tiai crisis for thecity of
Port To—e- Itis time W be bald and truly creative.
Your vision document was f—arded to me, andwant W thank you for takingthetime to -'nand send it. Ihave
sen it along W our planners and they will consider it. Thanks again for beingac[ive a rid engaged in the
am —ty!
4/11/2023 PF Galt Thank you so much for yourinput for this community discussion about the P- Tb— ... d Galt Course and
Online There ares. many other BETTER plamsm buildaffordable housing atherthan the golf course Mountain View Commons. Ihave togged yourcomments and will share them with the Gty Counciland planning
Peop le wme from out of mte a ndhy toturn ourtown ontoa City. The nice open spaces keep team fortheir co.sideatio.. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthoughts.
disappea I-, because people keep building on them. The golf courm should fvs[stay how It
vJthout people trying to build on it, so fust leave itas it is Find somewhere else to Cittfy!
4/12/2023 PT Golf Pleave leave the golf wurse the way itis. The city -d area have mo re hiding,biding Thdnk you so —h for yourinput for this —unity discussion a bout the Portiown,e.d Golf Courseand
59J Online and open space tha n mon towns already. Mountdin View Commons. I have logged your comments and MIshare them with the Qty Counciland planning
team for Meir c—d—t— Thdnk you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
590 4/12/2023 PT Goif The golfCourre uses mo much water, excludes otherm—b—of the public, -d underutilized Thdnk you so —h foryourinput forth,, —unity discussion a boutthe Portiown,e.d Goif Courseand
Online Other opttons would be very —1, welcome Mountdin View Commons. I hdve logged your comment, and will share them with the Qty Counni a nd planning
4/15/2023 Pi Golf I'd p refer for the space to wave using publiCfunding for golf Ideally, it can remaina green space Thdnk you so —h for yourinput for th„Com—tyd„Cusnon a bout the Portiown,e.d Golf Course and
Online but one that is less resource dependent, witha tows on -,, species(a, opposed to high Mountdin View Commons. I hdve logged your --t, and will share them with the Qty Counni a nd planning
599 ena e"golf wrf/gam'. Golf off— ,, tylittle m the youth of our town and th—a re many team forthe,rc—d—t— Thdnk you so much for taking the time w rend your thought,.
Ther, more beneficial w,y, lhatspace Could be used-w,IKing trail,, a quality dog park,
al education, etc Thank you
4/21/2023 Pi Golf Simple golf wurse soMtton7 Eliminate ho les 5 -d 6 -d the ange freeing space forother uses; Thdnk you so m uch for yourinput for th„Com—tyd„Cusnon a bout the Portiown,e.d Golf Courseand
600 Online tum ho le lintoa short pa r 4 a nda par 3; tum ho le 4into two pa r 3,. Improve all greens& Mountdin View Commons. I hdve logged your com -t,add will share them with the Gty Counni --
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bunk,, , team for their c—,d—t,-. Thdnk you so much for taking the time to rend your thought,.
4/26/2023 Pi Golf We CA,,—of the City of Port Townsend -d would like to w m I,— o n the envision golf course Thdnk you so —h for yourinput for th„Com—tyd„Cusnon a bout the Portiown,e.d Golf Courseand
Online opttons.Onex•3m"""of the diff -11 opttons putforward Concept 2a A Space for Nature Mountdin View Commons. I hdve logged your com -t, and MIshare them with the Gty Council a nd planning
601 makes the most sense to us. we are unableto attend eithe. the --g M -t —d- rden team forthe,rc—d—t— Thdnk you so much for taking the time W rend your thought,.
Co mm ons o r the virtual—e ,,g on May Inco would like to makesure ourvotes for that
nwpt are noted Weare especially interested in preserving the pairte and the pond, both
important natLLal areas.
4/26/2023 Pi Golf Whentalding to neighbors about what we should do with the golf wurse, everyone want to Thdnk you so m uch foryourinput forth„Com—tyd„Cusnon a boutthe Portiown,e.d Golf Courseand
Online modify it forthe benefit of Port Townsend We agree o n that Coming Toa conrensys of(ustwhatM-2'View Commons. I hdve logged your com -t,and will share them with the Qty Counniand planning
[hat entails is of course the p robl— Mort of the suggestions are pia nsabout howmimprove am for their consideanon. Thdnk you so much for taking the time W rend your thought,.
th, land for the benefit of the h— n acttvity they have the greaten Mf tyto. However the land ...&
needs to be Considered also. After 0, 1, it is part of Port TI—Ild too. This aft.noon l walked
and the golf course a bit for the first d— I was not sure where Icould waIk so it wava little
KCky as did not want to interfere with the golfers fun. My ftrrt suggestton would be to have
defined walking nails so people could walk around and get to know the land, the views a nd the
602 plants. W hen more of vs know the land better I think we would Come up with more thoughtful
ideas of whmf—,, we would like t,ree for the golfcourse. While walKing, I thought about the
Nattves h, —d top tm their canoes from the Strath to the Bay overland How did they do
[hat ?There is no longer a water wnnection to the golf wurse land Kah Tai Lagoon looks good
from a distance, but it is stagnant The golf wurse,, Kind of Sta gnant too. This ---needs
to be re-emblished s, the land Can be what it needs m be and then tha we can figure out
future development that wtll benefit MI Port Townsend
4/26/2023 Pi Golf lattendedthe open house o n Ap II 26. Thanks very m uch for helping the w —,ty pa MCipate Thdnk you so much foryourinput forth„
Com—tyd„Cusnon a boutthe Portiown,e.d Golf Course and
Online in the process. l was leaning toward optton 2a, but a ft. seeing the self--,, galdtud, and Mountdin View Commons. I hdve logged your com menti and wf,hdreth,, with the Gty Council a nd planning
603 heartng the vocal minortty supporttngoptton 1, my wife a 'd..
dnowsupport going s_'ght to —forthe,rc—d—t— Thdnk you so much for taking the time to rend your thought.
,p-, 3. 1 am not sure why op-, 1 is St1II on the table, a, it ank,d No. 7 on the survey and did
not make it at all in the high school survey result.
4/27/2023 PT GWff Q—t— way. Would you like t, —, taro new uses for the G, If Course? Answer way interpreted Thank you so —d for yourinput for this com nonny discussion a bout the Portiownse.d(WIT Course and
Oniine that this m eant that oth,T—re were wanted l know foro ne that this inte,lb,--, , not howl Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Qty Counciland planning
" preted the qu""" I wa -dopttons t, be entertained. heck, who knows -h Certainty team Tor Meirc—d—t— Thank you so much Tor taking the time to rend your thoughts.
what istheb- use for the property in terms of Co m —by needs let a I ne avpinttons.
Nonetheless, av oT now bayed on foreseeble costs and the possibility of other uses being located
ewhere, now vote to keep it av itis aside from finding a new ma nage, -d opportunities fora
p"'Me investor to improve the property To, golf -d other --by efforts. An architect by
natfon is biased toward changes and innovatton..[hey are architects) find that taking vs on
the car lot and sho W ng vs fust 4 spruced up cars and not addressing the cos[ including
andaformal"business plan"Ls unfair.tbL especia Ily unfairif othe, pt,—for
nsportattod'a of provided that do not require buying a"n car. While possibly
"polittcally" correct to a¢k High School -de- what they wan , g,,e me a break This is a
omplex issue and why assume that they are "preen red" in any way to determine best use for
604 the collecttve community. A son of mine, quite brtght, capable, and responsible way eager to
ve Port ---d while he was in High School, but two— ago, in his late 30s moved back
v✓th his family and was most thankful for what the community offers For weight to be g—, t,
what High School Mdents want or vote fo,.. makes no sense While polittca I rues benefit from
democnttcinput, there are complexissues bayed on expeMse, experience, v✓siom, hirtortcal
precedents, finanCnl realittes, shared values, that wa rant professional expertlse and disuetlon.
While I think itis —e th—he Qty Council oversee City employees a nd --by planning to
be--em-th community values and well-being, I'm okay -h profe--Is, not high school
students orthose m ost vocal to comet, the best decision. lavtly, ifone fl—el pl—a yon the
eof vseage" "e might miss the value of a publicservice. Fo rumple, it would be sillyto
bave the police budget ,,allotment of rerources bayed on the numbed oT Cittzens who directly
ante fa, -ho r benefit from policeacttviI es What numbers of_'dents use dog parks? What
numbers use the pickle ball court or the sv ,—,g pool? Obviously, having access t' a rervice
even if it involves a min.. ty of the populatton can be a benefit for everyone At leavt those who
4/28/2023 PT (WIT Thank you so much Toryourinput Torthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownse.d (WIT Course and
605 Oniine Ithinkit would be great to iorncludea conservatory,a Flower garden a nda —11e plant garden. A Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Qty Council a nd planning
niCeeampleora Co_''rvay is here. https//www.volunteerparkconservatory.o ,g/ The team Tor theirc—d—t— Thank you so much Tor taking the time W rend your thoughts.
Conservatory can be areal oa¢is durtng our Tong, cold, dark v✓nte, s,
5/1/2023 PT (WIT
Online First, tha n k you To r putttng so much informatton out there regarding the potentla l fate of the PT
Gold Course. golf there weekly o n Tuesday mornings v✓th the PT Women's Golf C lub. OuI club
hay been foll_'g the' Envision' 11 s a nd we very m uch appreCnate a l l you, hard wo rk. We
n ally are in favorof lb --ng the p roperty ava golf wursein av much av possible l fust
606 ✓ to in form you that l have talked to many others, who have not been folloWng the events av
closely. They are both golfers and non -golfers a nd they overwhelmingly support keeping the golf
e, be it hyb rtd or not However, many of them are totally confused by how exactly to "vote"
for their preference on line. The.efore, I doubt you'll acquire an acwnte survey of everyone's
✓.I v✓shlhada solutlon to offer.Just —ted to let you knowwhat l have been observing.
Thank you
5/1/2023 PT (WIT Okay, you havemy—,tin now. I Jurtl earned that the gatly -m, at thegolf nurse is NOT
607 Online partof the "opttons'vocabulary. This isa hirtortc,wltunlly significant plot oT landand murt be
emp h, _e
a nd protected Will appreciate you,efforts to put this av a cental part of what
needs to be lb—e,ed
Thank you so much foryourinput Torthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownse.d (WIT Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Qty Council and planning
team Tor their c—d—t— Thank you so much Tor taking the time to rend your thoughts.
Thank you so much Toryourinput Torthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownse.d (WIT Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the Qty Council and planning
team Tor their c—d—t— Thank you so much Tor taking the time to rend your thoughts.
5/3/2023 PT (WIT Thank you so much Toryourinput Torthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownse.d (WIT Course and
608 Oniine No housing development whatsoever on the property, 0o nutlet h --g get a footin the door. Mountain View Commons. I have logged your com mems and will share them withthe Qty Council a nd planning
Do not request proposals Keep green space -reduce eMent oT golf wurse(OK to ettminate team Tor theirc—d—t— Thank you so much Tor taking the time to rend yourthoughts.
d range and make ,,, s, 9 holes, and put in [nils and picnica reay.
5/3/2023 PT Golf For the proposed 6 unit of housing for the Zoned G, If Course property, l had the idea of, rather
Online than all— gap,,- deve lope, m w mein,build, -d se 11 these homes, how about if the Qty
donated the property, o, worked -th Habitat for Humanity m build these 6 unit, That would
help m ensure that these unit ere'AFFO RDABLE' b—, -which is what the community eked
form be built on this property. It wou Idalro help m keep the homes going to'loce l' people who
wrtll pick up a ham merend per ,,— in the building rather tha n Mese folks lined up fmm out of
emon u✓th cash who could buy up any new housing at top dollar. The homes our community has
ked to be built on the Golf Course Property were'effordeble homes forour local workforce'.
That would be ap —mately$350,0000,less(to buy), or—, Idnd of,ental unit at$1,000a
month o, less (thatS affordable ,anti, the Qty—,dertng the high Cort of Qtyuttlittes).
Remember oar Health Depeaments 2019 survey indicated that oar mwn has a Iowa. than
avenge medium income for WA
mte Prtme,y concerns of teens and seniors alike in this survey
,e poverty endthe increasing unaffordability of housing in Jefferson County. AIIoWng6 new
homes on that property to be bought up to, top dollar Cash to more --,-o town would
absolutely be a defeat of purpose and a slap upside the head to 811 who've fought to, these
homes to be built at this Iocatton.
5/3/2023 PT Goff I have seen all the consultor proposed opttons for the golf course -d many of the public
Online t.While, according to the wnsultnt,74%of respond,- to thesurvey supported
or hybrtd v.res of the golf --, the lack of c—ttvfty and imagfnatton in regard to
th—aIternettve uses is disappointing. There opttons a re fust rehashes of old ideas, nothing new,
nothing directed toward solving our most pressing and urgentissue An opportunity mimed Itis,
va frtend recently said,"deSgnedforthe haves, not the have— Itis ciee r to m e that
addit o—1 open space and parks are of small concern when weighed against the lack of housing
ino C,ty.One of the mart Cited reavon that people move he,eisthe abundance of outdoor
r na ac and natual beauty. of all of the answers to yoursurvbyth, marttelling
a e the oresponses feom high school -d—, The next genentton of adult in our win munity
wan o e affordable housing o n this land That is their numbe. o ne choice for both the golf
and Mt Vlew. How can we ignore them 1 Itis t— to listen to the children. They are
rtghtfully and urgently wnce,ned a bout whether they W 11 be able to live here W e have a
responsibilityto at 1,8vt provide so me oppok"'t s. Our legacy so farts not very 8dmir8b le.The
b1t- golf course needs to become 8 pla nn ed —,d—W community, embracing a v8rtety of
housing styles and sizes, types and levels of affordability, —1,ple concepts in a park like --g.
CO'_'kng publiclyowned property in to housng ca n remove the most of land from the e 8,0,
while st, l g reserving the opportunity for home owne.ship and affordable ,enta ls. Th— could be
clusters of t, homes 8dfecent to wap—t-ly owned and ma raged—ItIfamily apartments
0c8ted near w in munity gardens and playgrounds; townh—u duplexes and cottage housing
mon cted by walking tails; boarding houses vJ[h wmmunity Kitchens mould serve the needs of
many Sngie folks One avenue to accomplish this mould be the —8t— of a Public Development
Authort whose mission would be to develop housing wnsirtent-h a --of crtterta. Th,
'g
mould convene a design wmpetttton -h a signs%cant prtze to create a model housing
munity vJth integ-,d hen Ith Care, racial services, childcare and eldersupport The
development crtterta that would need to be met are 8-h,t-, affordabty, diversity of housing
types and styes and befog build 8v dare to net zero 8, possible Furthe. crtterta would relate to
Thank you so much fo,yourinput forthis community discussion aboutthe Portiownse.d Goff Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comment and will share them with the Qty Council and planning
team for Meir c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thought.
Thank you so much for you,input for this community discussion aboutth, Portiownse.d Gaff Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comment and willshare them with the Qty Council and planning
eam for their c—d—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend you, thought.
5/7/2023 PT Gaff Thank you so much for you,input for this community discussion aboutth, Portiownse.d Gaff Course and
Online totally support keeping PT golf coarse av isand putting money into updattng and upkeep. t
It's not Mountain View Commons. Iheve logged you, coin mens and will share them with the Qty Council a nd planning
only vred by locals, but also by the high school tea m. believeit'sa dawforsome people visittng eam for their 11nsid—t— Thank you so much for taking the time to rend you,thought.
thearea PLEASE do Wt turn it into a dog park o, moa lldng tails l We ha ve enough of those
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ofptus IhBvebeentoldth8t the wrrentgolfcourre no longer requires orvsesany Qty w8te.for Yotth,,, redabout thewaterusageand cartath, Golf Course.The addition ofth—d has h,Ipedffne—lIy,
irrtgatton.ly✓astold th8tinne8d,811 irrtgatton ware. is nowwming fromarecently provided but the city roti spendsabout$30,000 a yea,m Water. links provided include Meirrigation usage and then the
s [his we7 if so, isthis well on site. Isthis levelofw81"usage sauna b le to r our to ca l city'scartoverall( including carts for water). I hope this information is helpful.
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ware. tlbe' Thk you for your w help th my questtons a nd conce.ns.
For the proposed 6 units of housing for the Zoned Gait Course property, I had the idea of, other
than ah—hga private developer to came in, build, and sell Mese homes, haw about if th, City
donproperty, or -1,d with Habitat tar Humanity m build Mese 6 units. chatou
.-Id
help ated m ensuM,re that these units are' AF FO RDABLE' housing- which is what the community asked
for to be built on this property. It would aim help to keep the homes going t'loa i' people who
Ml pick up aha— r and participate in the building ath,r than Mase talks lined up from out of
oas
with h who could buy up any new housing at tap dollar. The homes aur community has
a
sked to be built on the Gait Course Property were'affordabie homes tar aur loci wo,bforce'.
That would be approximately $350,000 or less (t buy), or more kind of rental units at $1,000 a
oath or less (that's affordable rent in the City considering the high can of City utilities).
Remember, aur Health Department's 2019 Survey indicted that our— has a lower than
avec ge m ed— income for WA state. Primcry concerns of teens a rid reniors alike in this mrvey
re poverty and the increanng unaffordabihty of housingin Jefferson County. Ailowing6 new
homeson that property to be bought up for top dollar ash to mare ,ew—ors to town would
absolutely be a defeat of purpose and a slap upside the head W all who've taught for these
homes to be built at this loat,-
5/7/232 email, There are very few times when d,cinons a, hap,a comm unity's lite for geneat— to come.
In New York City, mch a moment ams in 1853 when city leaders deeded W dedicate 775 acres
reghttn the morale of Me city tar Central Pad:. In Portland, Oregon, in 1948, vinonary leaders set
aside 5,000+acres overlooking the my and mer for Forest Pari:. Both bald moves shaped these
,lt— and bene Ht countless geneat,-,.. The d—,—,we make about the future of the Part
Townsend Gait Courm will shape aur --ty for yearsW came. W e cun,ntly have a time-
r -,9h 1, Solt course rarely in need of upgad,s that serves, by its awn rtatirncs, only a small
portion of our citizens. For months, City naff and elected offlciais have engaged ntizens from all
walks to get their input into what we think should happen to this beautiful greenspac,. They've
condoned town halls, Zoom meetings, a stakeholder committee, m person and online m ys,
meetings with interested groups, email ampa,gns, etc. Kudos t them for asking ntizens what
we want So far, mare than threeyuarters of citizens want to. 1) prererve this �abaN,
-—pa- 2) offer amenitieslik, tails, bike paths, dog parks, anm
aphitheater, sports courts
and affordable housing that serve many mare citizens that those who currently benefit Same of
the man telling survey results came from Part Townsend high school -de-, Ali at them
-ted affordable housinginciuded m the plan. None suggested Soif is a goad use for this space.
It thePortiownsend Gait Course prof en is W tiuly be a l,ga, project we mon plan tar
of jun those of us here today. Gaiters shouldn't be left out, including the
high school student golfers. Jun 15 minutes away, Discovery Bay Galt Club offers gorgeous, 18-
holes with paces compaabie to Portiowns,nd's Gait Club. There's no reason we an't think
baldly and create Port Townsend'sawn Cental Pahb.Thank you for your goad wort: and tar aring
about our be autifui town.
Thanks for the email. Great idea. I will pass it along to aur designers. I really do Mink this was the intent, but
perhaps they can be alitti,more-pilntl Ha -a good day.
Thank you so much for yourinput for this --ty discusnon about the Portiowns,nd Gait Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your --t, and will share them with the City Council and planning
team forth— oonsid,attn. Thank you so much fortkingth, time to mad your thoughts.
5/8/2023 Hl Came -I've been away for a bit and catching up on the planning for golf course and Commons Thank you so m uch for yourinput for this corn munity :1 ---about the Portiowns,nd Goif Course and
possible changes. Is there any discusnon of incorpoating a childrens piayground?. Th, recently Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the C ty Council and planning
stalled one at HJ Ca nail Pari: is so nice.I play PPcki,bah, but fa nkiy, l don't have any problem team for their -- Thank you so much for taking the time to rend yourthoughts.
getting court time, so don't Mink we need mare court, (if we do, itis a need forindoor courts
tar winters/ain,y weather). )
5/8/2023 email
Thank you so much for yourinput for this community :1 ---about the Portiowns,nd Gait Course and
writing about Goif Course Option 2—sp—fially, removing the driving ange. The mon
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your corn mento andwfehareth,, with the C ty Council and planning
important um of a driving ange is teaching. With— a driving ange how do you teach new
earn for their consid,at,-. Thank you so much for taking the time to rend your thoughts.
goifers� Nat by playing the course, beaus, beginners hit bails ail over the place. New goiters are
learningto hita ball 1.61'in diameter hundreds of yards. They need a nice, ate lb ah, And
they need to hit a lot of balls. W, team physiai movements by repetition, and a driving ange is
where new Soif,rs get that repetRion. Without a driving ange the golfing community is seriously
handiapp,d m teaching new goiters and growing the sport. Then there's the revenue lose.
Besides the revenue from charging for each bucket of bails there is the fan that lessons could no
longer be offered. No income tar golf pro, no new cunomers forth, courm...Option —ay look
goad on paper, but it would be dianerforth, future of the golfing community. There has to be
a place to team the sport and we have ane. Why take it away when it is m ,smntiai to the health
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have lo.kedat—pIl ey on possible uses of th course p..pertyseverai Nm es, and have
Thank you so m uch for y.u.in t for this cam munity discussion about the P.rtT—... d Galt Course and
been unabie-W, pie— Why- Ilea Wt addresstd phantin to room",the
ents
Mountain View Commons. Ihave to d d will share them with the Gt C.unniand tannin
y. y p g
Th, —sn't t` h
need f.raff.rdabie h.usingin.urnty. The consultants reemedm have missed to mart
- hfc ,
tam f.rteir c.nsidean.n. Thank you so much f.rtakingte time to rend yourt.ughts.
th
possible ure .f this spare—f..addrti.nai housing for the people who wort: h ere and
importantun
to live on
where. aw lya fewous
hing its p..jected in these aitematives. The area may
.t be zoned tar housing naw, but W, the city that designates inning, and any .f these 53 acres
could be r . . d, --g housing out of thepictureand proposingonly park -like
soM,., completely misses the paint. Yes, I'd likeW see same walking tails and yes, I'd likew
keep the pond and the wildflower Paine, but don't see haw creating.......... .f New Y.rk's
Cental Pari: is to best .serf this entire spare. Please d.n't squander this.ncwinagenean.n
.pp.r —ty t. d. this right.
Comment I Date
read many ofthe public comments. While, accordingtothe consultant, 74% of respondents
to the survey supported alternative or hybrid uses of the golf course, the lack of creativity and
imagination in regard to those alternative uses is disappointing. These options are just
rehashes of old ideas, nothing new, nothing directed toward solving our most pressing and
urgent issue. An opportunity missed. It is, as a friend recently said, "designed forthe haves,
not the have nots" It is clearto me that additional open space and parks are of small concern
when weighed against the lack of housing in our city. One of the most cited reason that
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people move here is the abundance of outdoor recreational activities and natural beauty. Of
all of the answers to your survey the most telling are the responses from high school
students. The next generation of adults in our community want to see affordable housing on
this land. That is their number one choice for both the golf course and Mt. View. How can we
ignore them? It is time to listen to the children. They are rightfully and urgently concerned
about whether they will be able to live here. We have a responsibility to at least provide
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some opportunities. Our legacy so far is not very admirable. The entire golf course needs to
become a planned residential community, embracing a variety of housing styles and sizes,
types and levels of affordability, multiple concepts in a park like setting. Converting publicly
owned property into housing can remove the cost of land from the equation while still
preserving the opportunity for home ownership and affordable rentals. There could be
clusters of tiny homes adjacent to cooperatively owned and managed multifamily apartments
located near community gardens and playgrounds; townhouses, duplexes and cottage
housing connected by walking trails; boarding houses with community kitchens could serve
the needs of many single folks. One avenue to accomplish this could be the creation of a
Public Development Authority whose mission would be to develop housing consistent with a
matrix of criteria. The Authority could convene a design competition with a significant prize to
create a model housing community with integrated health care, social services, child care and
Your vision document was forwarded to me, and I want to thank you for taking the time to writ and send it.
elder support. The development criteria that would need to be met are aesthetics,
have sent it along to our planners and they will consider it. Thanks again for being active and engaged in the
affordability, diversity of housing types and styes and being build as close to net zero as
community!
Further criteria would relate to the selection of potential residents weighted in favor of such
things as; need, and local residency, diversity and equity, local employment and ability to
participate in construction and development. It seems to me that within our great community
we have many individuals with the talent and expertise to visualize and contribute to the
development of a project of this nature. We need to mobilize this energy. This, then , is not
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just a different kind of vision for the golf course it is also a call to action. While we d not
doubt the great and good intentions of our elected government and their dedicated staff who
are working toward solutions for our housing crisis, we the people need to be willing to stand
up and assume our roles as leaders. We cannot accept limited options in the development of
this resource. Thinking and acting "outside the box" is required. It is time to recognize that
the lack of housing is an existential crisis for the city of Port Townsend. It is time to be bold
and truly creative.
PT Golf
There are so many other BETTER places to build affordable housing rather than the golf
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
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course. People come from out of state and try to turn our town onto a city. The nice open
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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spaces keep d isappearing beca use people keep building on them. The golf cou rse shou Id just
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
stay how it is without people trying to build on it, so just leave it as it is! Find somewhere else
to citify!
PT Golf
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
Please leave the golf course the way it is. The city and surrounding area have more hiking,
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
biking and open space than most towns already.
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PT Golf
The golf course uses too much water, excludes other members of the publ ic, and is
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underutil ized. Other options would be very much welcome.
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
PT Go If
I'd prefer for the space to cease using public fu nding for golf. Ideally, it can remain a green
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
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space but one that is less resource dependent, with a focus on native species (as opposed to
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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high maintenance"golf turf/grass". Golf offers very l ittle to the youth of ou r town a nd there
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
are many other, more beneficial ways that space could be used- walking trails, a quality dog
park, environmental education, etc. Thank you.
PT Golf
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
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Simple golf course solution? Eliminate holes 5 and 6 and the range, freeing space for other
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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uses; turn hole 1 into a short par 4 and a par 3; turn hole 4 into two par 3s. Improve all greens
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
& bunkering.
PT Golf
We citizens of the City of Port Townsend and would like to comment on the envision golf
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
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course options. On examination of the different options put forward Concept 2a A Space for
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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Nature makes the most sense to us. we are unable to attend either the meeting at Fort
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Worden Commons or the virtual meeting on May 1st so would like to make sure our votes for
that concept are noted. We are especially interested in preserving the prairie and the pond,
both important natural areas.
PT Go If
When talking to neighbors about what we should do with the golf course, everyone wants to
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
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modify it for the benefit of Port Townsend. We agree on that. Coming to a consensus of just
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
what that entails is of course the problem. Most of the suggestions are plans about how to
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
improve the land for the benefit of the human activity they have the greatest affinity to.
However the land needs to be considered also. After all, it is part of Port Townsend too. This
afternoon I walked around the golf course a bit for the first time. I was not sure where I could
walk so it was a little tricky as I did not want to interfere with the golfers fun. My first
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suggestion would be to have defined walking trails so people could walk around and get to
know the land, the views and the plants. When more of us know the land better I think we
would come up with more thoughtful ideas of what future we would like to see for the golf
course. While walking, I thought about the Natives who used to portage their canoes from
the Straits to the Bay overland. How did they do that? There is no longer a water connection
to the golf course land. Kah Tai Lagoon looks good from a distance, but it is stagnant. The golf
course is kind of stagnant too. This connection needs to be re-established so the land can be
what it needs to be and then perhaps we can figure out future development that will benefit
all Port Townsend.
PT Golf
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
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I attended the open house on April 26. Thanks very much for helping the community
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
participate in the process. l was leaning toward option 2a, but after seeing the self-serving
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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attitude and hearing the vocal minority supporting option 1, my wife and I now support going
straight to option 3. 1 am not sure why option 1 is still on the table, as it ranked No. 7 on the
survey and did not make it at all in the high school survey results.
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interpreted that this meant that other uses were wanted. I know for one that this
interpretation is not how I interpreted the question. I wanted options to be
e merte i ned.. heck, who knows with certainty what is the best use for the property in terms of
community needs let alone aspirations. Nonetheless, as of now based on foreseeble costs and
the possibility of other uses being located elsewhere, I now vote to keep it as it is aside from
finding a new manager and opportunities fora private investor to improve the property for
golf and other community efforts. An architect by inclination is biased toward changes and
in novation -they are architects! I find that taking us on the car lot and showing us just 4
spruced up cars and not addressing the cost including maintenance, and a formal "business
plan'' is unfair. It is especially unfair if other options for''transportation'' are not provided that
do not require buying a''new'' car. While possibly''politically'' correct to ask High School
students what they want give me a break. This is a complex issue and why assume that they
are''preprared'' in any way to determine best use for the collective community. A son of
mine, quite bright, capable, and responsible was eager to leave Port Townsend while he was
in High School, but two years ago, in his late 30s moved back with his family and was most
thankful for what the community offers. For weight to be given to what High School students
want or vote for -makes no sense. While political issues benefit from democratic input, there
are complex issues based on expertise, experience, wisdom, historical precedents, financial
realities, shared values, that warrant professional expertise and discretion. While I think it is
wise that the City Council oversee city employees and community planning to be consistent
with community values and well-being, I'm okay with professionals, not high school students
or those most vocal to come to the best decision. Lastly, if one focuses primarily on the
''volume of useage'' one might miss the value of a public service. For example, it would be silly
to base the police budget or allotment of resources based on the number of citizens who
directly interface with or benefit from police activities. What numbers of residents use dog
parks? What numbers use the pickle ball courts or the swimming pool? Obviously, having
access to a service even if it involves a minority of the population can be a benefit for
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Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
I think it would be great to include a conservatory, a flower garden and a native plant garden. Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
A nice example of a conservatory is here: https://www.volunteerparkconsewatory.org/.The planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
conservatory can be a real oasis during our long, cold, dark winters.
PT Golf Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Online First, thank you for putting so much information out there regarding the potential fate of the Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
PT Golf Course. I golf there weekly on Tuesday mornings with the PT Women's Golf Club. Our planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
club has been following the 'Envision'' events and we very much appreciaate all your hard
work. We naturally are in favor of preserving the property as a golf course in as much as
630 5/1/2023 possible. I just want to inform you that I have talked to many others, who have not been
following the events as closely. They are both golfers and non -golfers and they
overwhelmingly support keeping the golf course, be it hybrid or not. However, many of them
are totally confused by how exactly to''vote'' for their preference on line. Therefore, I doubt
you'll acquire an accurate survey of everyone's view. I wish I had a solution to offer. Just
wanted to let you know what I have been observing. Thank you.
PT Golf Okay, you have my attention now. I just learned that the gatay prairie at the golf course is Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
631 5/1/2023 Online NOT part of the ''options'' vocabulary. This is a historic, culturally significant plot of land and Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
must be emphasized and protected. Will appreciate your efforts to put this as a central part planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
of what needs to be preserved.
PT Golf Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
632 5/3/2023 Online No housing development whatsoever on the property, Do not let housing get a foot in the Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
door. Do not request proposals. Keep green space - reduce extent of golf course (OIC to planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
eliminate driving range and make course 9 holes, and put in trails and picnic areas.
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For the proposed 6 units of housing for the Zoned Golf Course property, I had the idea of,
rather than allowing a private developer to come in, build, and sell these homes, how about if
the City donated the property, or worked with Habitat for Humanity to build these 6 units.
That would help to ensure that these units are 'AFFORDABLE' housing -which is what the
community asked for to be built on this property. It would also help to keep the homes going
to'loca l' people who will pickup a hammer and participate in the building rather than those
folks lined up from out of town with cash who could buy up any new housing at top dollar.
The homes our community has asked to be built on the Golf Course Property were 'affordable
homes for our local workforce'. That would be approximately $350,000 or less (to buy), or
some kind of rental units at $1,000 a month or less (that's affordable rent in the City
considering the high cost of City utilities). Remember, our Health Department's 2019 Survey
indicated that our town has a lower than average medium income for WA state. Primary
concerns of teens and seniors alike in this survey were poverty and the increasing
un afford a hi l ity of housing in Jefferson County. Allowing 6 new homes on that property to be
bought up for top dol l a cash to more newcomers to town would absolutely be a defeat of
purpose and a slap upside the head to all who've fought for these homes to be built at this
location.
public comments. While, according to the consultant, 74% of respondents to the survey
supported alternative or hybrid uses of the golf course, the lack of creativity and imagination
in regard to those alternative uses is disappointing. These options are just rehashes of old
ideas, nothing new, nothing directed toward solving our most pressing and urgent issue. An
opportunity missed. It is, as a friend recently said, "designed for the haves, not the have nots"
It is clear tome that additional open space and parks are of small concern when weighed
against the lack of housing in our city. One of the most cited reason that people move here is
the abundance of outdoor recreational activities and natural beauty. Of all of the answers to
your survey the most telling are the responses from high school students. The next
generation of adults in our community want to see affordable housing on this land. That is
their num be one choice for both the golf course and Mt. View. How can we ignore them? It
is time to listen to the children. They are rightfu l I and urgently concerned about whether
they will be able to live here. We have a responsibility to at least provide some opportunities.
Our legacy so far is not very admirable. The entire golf course needs to become a planned
residential community, embracing a variety of housing styles and sizes, types and levels of
affordability, multiple concepts in a parklike setting. Converting publicly owned property into
housing can remove the cost of land from the equation while still preserving the opportunity
for homeownership and affordable rentals. There could be clusters of tiny homes adjacent
to cooperatively owned and managed multifamily apartments located near community
gardens and playgrounds; townhouses, duplexes and cottage housing connected by walking
trails; boardinghouses with community kitchens could serve the needs of many single folks.
One avenue to accomplish this could be the creation of a Public Development Authority
whose mission would be to develop housing consistent with a matrix of criteria. The Authority
could convene a design competition with a significant prize to create a model housing
community with integrated health care, social services, child care and elder support. The
development criteria that would need to be met are aesthetics, affordability, diversity of
housing types and styes and being build as close to net zero as possible. Further criteria
I totally support keeping PT golf coarse as is and putting money into updating and upkeep. It's
not only used by locals, but also by the high school team. I believe it's a draw for some people
visiting the areal) PLEASE don't turn it into a dog park or walking trails) We have enough of
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Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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engagept.cit I have been told that the current golf course no longer requires or uses any City water for
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fpt. us irrigation. I was told that instead, all irrigation water is now coming from a recently provided You inquired about the water usage and cost at the Golf Course. The addition of the well has helped
5/9/2023 well. Is this true? If so, is this well on site: Is this level of water usage sustainable for our financially, but the city still spends about $30,000 a year in water. Links provided include the irrigation usage,
local water talbe? Thank you for your help with my questions and concerns. and then the city's cost overall( including costs for water). l hope this information is helpful.
5/12/2023
For the proposed 6 units of housing forthe Zoned Golf Course property, I had the idea of,
rather than allowing a private developer to come in, build, and sell these homes, how about if
the City donated the property, or worked with Habitat for Humanity to build these 6 units.
That would help to ensure that these units are 'AFFORDABLE' housing - which is what the
community asked forto be built on this property. It would also help to keep the homes going
to 'local' people who will pick up a hammer and participate in the building rather than those
folks lined up from out of town with cash who could buy up any new housing at top
dollar. The homes our community has asked to be built on the Golf Course Property were
'affordable homes for our local workforce'. That would be approximately $350,000 or less (to
buy), or some kind of rental units at $1,000 a month or less (that's affordable rent in the City
considering the high cost of City utilities). Remember, our Health Department's 2019 Survey
indicated that ourtown has a lower than average medium income for WA state. Primary
concerns of teens and seniors alike in this survey were poverty and the increasing
unaffordability of housing in Jefferson County. Allowing 6 new homes on that propertyto be
bought up fortop dollar cash to more newcomers to town would absolutely be a defeat of
purpose and a slap upside the head to all who've fought forthese homes to be built at this
location.
email; There are very few times when decisions can shape a community's life for generations to
come. In New York City, such a moment came in 1853 when city leaders decided to dedicate
775 acres right in the middle of the city for Central Park. In Portland, Oregon, in 1948,
visionary leaders set aside 5,000+ acres overlooking the city and river for Forest Park. Both
bold moves shaped these cities and benefit countless generations. The decisions we make
about the future of the Port Townsend Golf Course will shape our community foryears to
come. We currently have a time -worn, 9 -hole golf course sorely in need of upgrades that
serves, by its own statistics, only a small portion of our citizens. For months, City staff and
elected officials have engaged citizens from all walks to get their input into what we think
should happen to this beautiful greenspace. They've conducted town halls, Zoom meetings, a
stakeholder committee, in-person and online surveys, meetings with interested groups, email
campaigns, etc. Kudos to them for asking citizens what we want. So far, more than three-
quarters of citizens want to: 1) preserve this valuable greenspace; 2) offer amenities like trails,
bike paths, dog parks, an amphitheater, sports courts and affordable housing that serve many
more citizens that those who currently benefit. Some of the most telling survey results come
from Port Townsend high school students. All of them wanted affordable housing included in
the plan. None suggested golf is a good use forthis space. If the Port Townsend Golf Course
project is to truly be a legacy project, we must plan fortomorrow's citizens, not just those of
us here today. Golfers shouldn't be left out, including the high school student golfers. Just 15
minutes away, Discovery Bay Golf Club offers gorgeous, 18 -holes with prices comparable to
Port Townsend's Golf Club. There's no reason we can't think boldly and create Port
Townsend's own Central Park. Thank you for your good work and for caring about our
beautiful town.
Thanks for the email. Great idea. I will pass it along to our designers. I really do think this was the intent, but
perhaps they can be a little more explicit! Have a good day.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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Hi Carrie-I've been away for a bit and catching upon the plan n in g for golf course and
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Commons possible changes. Is there any discussion of incorporating a children's
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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playground?. The recently installed one at HJ Carroll Park is so nice. I play Pickleball,
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planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
but frankly, I don't have any problem getting court time, so I don't think we need more
courts (if we do, it is a need for indoor courts for winter/rainey weather).:)
email I'm writing about Golf Course Option 2--specifically, removing the driving range. The most
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
important use of a driving range is teaching. Without a driving range how do you teach new
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
golfers? Not by playing the course, because beginners hit balls all over the place. New golfers
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
are learning to hit a ball 1.68" in diameter hundreds of yards. They need a nice, safe
downrange. And they need to hit a lot of balls. We learn physical movements by repetition,
and a driving range is where new golfers get that repetition. Without a driving range the
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golfing community is seriously handicapped in teaching new golfers and growing the sport.
Then there's the revenue loss. Besides the revenue from charging for each bucket of balls
there is the fact that lessons could no longer be offered. No income for golf pro, no new
customers forthe course... Option 2 may look good on paper, but it would be disaster forthe
future of the golfing community. There has to be a place to learn the sport and we have one.
Why take it away when it is so essential to the health of the sport.
I have looked at the survey on possible uses of the golf course property several times, and
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
have been unable to complete it. Why? Because it doesn't address the "elephant in the
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
room", the need for affordable housing in our city. The consultants seemed to have missed
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
the most important possible use of this space —for additional housing for the people who
work here and want to live here. I saw only a few housing units projected in these
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5/12/2023 alternatives. The area may not be zoned for housing now, but it's the city that designates
zoning, and any of these 53 acres could be re-zoned. Leaving additional housing out of the
picture and proposing only park-like solutions completely misses the point. Yes, I'd like to see
some walking trails and yes, I'd like to keep the pond and the wildflower prairie, but I don't
see how creating our version of New York's Central Park is the best use of this entire space.
Please don't squander this once-in-a-generation opportunity to do this right.
I am writing to express my concern with your intense focus on the Golf Course and the Pool.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
These are existing structures... and like most of PT, they are aging. I am of the opinion that
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
infrastructure is more important than the golf course/pool focus. We need safe water and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
sewers throughout ourtown, we need safe streets (the potholes/ineffective filling ofthem),
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6/10/2023 and we need affordable housing. I feel you have wasted a lot of time and money (various
studies) with the Golf Course/Pool issue -> time and money that could better be used to
address the above mentioned infrastructure and housing issues. Golf and the pool are
necessary for exercise and pleasure... but NOT a the expense of safe
water/sewer/streets/affordable housing.
Please take a moment to re-thinkyour intense drive to satisfy the few loud voices about Golf
and the pool. Think about the rest of us who feel your priorities should be elsewhere... but
we are the quiet ones who don't stand up and make noise. Personally, the politics of the US
is noisy and beyond divisive enough for me and therefore I shall not be a noisy resident of this
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beautiful but aging town. Please stop the deferred maintenance that is so necessary for our
townto trulythrive. Thinkaboutthe people who live here, work here and wantto raise
families here (as they are the replacements for our aging population).
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PT is supposibly an Art Community. Not sure why we call ourselves that. Big ugly
wooden stumps are considered art.Y ou already have art. That is the Golf Course. No, I
don't golf. I shudder to think how you will mess up that beautiful site. It will look like
Cherry Street Apartments. Half done.You have no money but want another pool for a
select group. You had a pool that you built, couldn't maintain and gave it to the YMCA.
6/22/2023 Now you want another one.Rather than try to appease a few, just stop. The city has a
poor record of doing anything professionally.You would be wiser to do nothing and use
what little money you have and fix what is broken. Money paid by Port Townsend
residents.You can never appease a few loud obnoxious demanding people. As a city
council member you weren't voted in to have your name on some plague. You were
voted in to fix things that are broken.
Thank you foryour email. I watched the video and saw nothing about the golf course as You can find complete information at www.cityorpt.us/envision.
6/25/2020 noted on your email subject line. Where can I find out what's happening with the golf course?
Here is a vision of what our cousin village across the Strait, Victoria, has accomplished in a
formerly declining city park. The Uplands (which I used to visit yearly priorto the pandemic
border closure) comprise an area slightly larger than our golf course acreage. This recovery of
heritage began 30 years ago, behind one dynamic woman with a vision.) contend that we can
achieve this in a similar manner, behind an organized mostly -volunteer effort AND retain golf
on the property, along with enhanced public access as is being proposed. And it won't cost
$millions to achieve, nor require copious irrigation, soil amenities, and the like. It is about
selectively protecting and enhancing the best Nature on the property and modestly investing
in a steady multi -decade upgrade—just as Victoria has achieved brilliantly since 1992.This is
literally a homegrown potential outcome for our community's future. We use the existing
6/23/2023 botanical resources of the protected 1.4 acres of gatay (kah-tai) prairie (est.1986) as the seed
bank to generate (or regenerate) planting material to gradually recreate selected portions of
the pre -Discovery landscape, which stretched from Mountain View to North Beach prior to
settlement. Students from schools as near as Port Townsend High School could learn and
participate in such a re-creation of the ancestral landscape of theirtown. Consider the
benefits, the very modest cost, and the opportunity for a truly'homegrown' environmental
achievement.The greatest outcome would be: a living demonstration of the prehistoric
heritage of the land we inhabit; continuing enjoyment of the recreational uses of the land as
practiced for 100 years; and new opportunities to better care for and utilize the land for
coming generations.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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Just to follow-up on the below: It has been confirmed that Port Townsend Golf Course is the
oldest course in the state of Washington still occupying its original site. Because of its
historical presence and cultural significance, it should be preserved. There are experts who
are willing to give a presentation regarding this, if you'd like. Let me know. Thanks again. I've
had further conversations with the regional golf historian. Here are his thoughts about having
a property given historical designation:
"Because Port Townsend has so many historical buildings, the town must have a criteria for
648 6/25/2023 designating a building for historical status. The golf course would be viewed as a
building/property, and the same criteria would apply. Also there must be historical architects
working in Port Townsend orthe area, who a property owner could hire, to complete the
necessary paperwork to gain historical designation for the property." It would seem that, if
the city wanted to, a pathway exists to have the golf course be given historical designation
status, which would then bring other positives to the city— funding, revenue, tourism, jobs,
activities for youth, continuation of the city's heritage, continuation of the social/charitable-
fundraising aspects of the golf course, etc.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
engagept.cit My water bill contains a couple of pages correctly describing the terrible condition of the Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
yofpt.us streets and other infrastructure and lamenting the lack of funding to deal with these Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
problems. Simultaneously, the City rolls out a $45 million dollar pool proposal that we'll be planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
asked to pay for and talks about housing affordability? Something's not adding up, but thank
649 6/15/2023 you for admitting that the infrastructure and housing problems are real and that we're going
to have to pay for all this. I realize that there is a large contingent of folks dreaming about a
pool who don't seem to understand where the money comes from and all the other demands
for the same pot of money so I get why the City has to have this discussion. The dream about
a pool can't be discussed in a vacuum without talking about all these other needs.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
engagept.cit I note that there are now two housing sites proposals on Redwood St & the adjoining
yofpt.us "Blackberry Trail. A bait & switch seems to have occurred in this public process. An audience
of some 300, meeting on Jan 11,2023 at Fort Warden Commons were told there would be
no housing built on the side of the GC. Mayor Farber seconded this assertion. I stopped
paying attention after this because that was my main concern. Protect the green space of the
golf course. Now we are presented with two options both of which include 42-44 housing
units to be built on Redwood St. Further the proposal would seem to necessitate paving
over the trail to give access to the proposed 36 units, not to mention knocking down the
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6/27/2023 most densely forested land on the boundary of the course. This road would create a shortcut
for all driving down Cherry enroute to San Juan through the existing cut de sac of Redwood.
This is outrageous! These building plans were not included at all in the public process. They
have only emerged now in the 9th inning of the public process. We have notified all 92 homes
in our Schoolhill Neighborhood as well as alerting one & all on Nextdoor to this sleight of
hand. City Council members can expect some increased mail. Isn't it convenient that a final
vote is to be made in the middle of July when many residents are away from home on
vacation?
PT Golf I believe I missed the deadline for the on line questionare . Is it still possible to do this ?
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PT Go If Ou r town is losing bird and critter friend ly trees and sh rubs rapidly because of a 11 the infill
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5/20/2023 Online construction. Let's landscape for native plants and trees, so that the birds and bees can
continue to live here too.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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PT Golf keep golf course. No unnecessary spending, we have more than enough parks. Fix the sewers,
656 6/21/2023 Online sidewalks and roads. City should not sell land for housing development. Let the public vote on
these decisions by ballot.
PT Go If After reading an article beginning on the front page of The Leader today about the various
Online options for this space, l feel the"hybrid golf course", "space for nature" or "Central Park'
concepts are more closely hitting the mark of what the city could use and what most
residents and visitors would benefit from. My family and I have recently relocated from the
Willamette Valley/Corvallis, Oregon area where we enjoyed two adjoining parks that offered
over 400 acres of wooded trails, disc golf course, kids playgrounds, youth and adult sports
fields and picnic areas ON A DAILY BASIS. There were dirt trails, wood chip/bark trails and
concrete paths all interconnected. We were able to enjoy all of it while pushing a stroller too
657 6/22/2023 after welcoming our first child into the world Great space(s)l Here are two links for
reference: https://www.cowallisoregon.gov/parksrec/page/willamette-park-natural-area
https://www.cowaIIisoregon.gov/parksrec/page/crystal-lake-sports-fields As dog owners, the
best part for us was that it/they were dog friendly and during the Winter months Nov - March
the entirety of the park(s) was/were offered as an "OFF LEASH" park to dogs) Thanks to
everyone involved in this project and all other projects like it. We appreciate everyone's
efforts. Thanks too for reading!
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
PT Golf
Hi, I hope that the path that we move forward with on the golf course does not involve
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
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putting up new structures on the land where the golf course is situated. Having this beautiful,
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
large parcel available for parks, trails or continued golf usage are all great options. The land is
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
I like the Central Park idea. Seems like it would provide the most benefit to the most people.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
a real asset to this community and should be kept undeveloped. I think we need to think a
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little further ahead than our immediate needs and think about what people in Port Townsend
might want from this space 50 or even 100 years from now. As the city grows, the
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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preservation of this central park space could become an important feature of our town.
public resources. And although a''compromise'' (like the hybrid model) sounds appealing, it
Affordable housing, the aquatic center, and other potential development projects can and
may be just kicking the can down the road if the golf course component proves unsustainable
should be sited elsewhere.
PT Golf
I support keeping the golf course on the property. Please make sure we keep it as is.
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The survey form mentioned in Open house 43 from Groundswell cannot be accessed. The URL
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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Item 1: 1 have participated recently in the City of Tacoma Food Forest development. In this
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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respect, I suggest the southeast corner of the golf course opposite the bike facility be
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
considered a food forest. this area is fallow and other areas near the pool are possible. Item
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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2: 1 suggest the Sedges or other grass species used in the U.S. Open at University Way,
Tacoma be used for reseeding the golf course. A significant reduction in water requirements
will result. Furthermore, the pesticide burden should be reduced. Item 3: Mowing
requirements must be reconsidered. Cost/benefits of taller grass versus current practices.
PT Golf keep golf course. No unnecessary spending, we have more than enough parks. Fix the sewers,
656 6/21/2023 Online sidewalks and roads. City should not sell land for housing development. Let the public vote on
these decisions by ballot.
PT Go If After reading an article beginning on the front page of The Leader today about the various
Online options for this space, l feel the"hybrid golf course", "space for nature" or "Central Park'
concepts are more closely hitting the mark of what the city could use and what most
residents and visitors would benefit from. My family and I have recently relocated from the
Willamette Valley/Corvallis, Oregon area where we enjoyed two adjoining parks that offered
over 400 acres of wooded trails, disc golf course, kids playgrounds, youth and adult sports
fields and picnic areas ON A DAILY BASIS. There were dirt trails, wood chip/bark trails and
concrete paths all interconnected. We were able to enjoy all of it while pushing a stroller too
657 6/22/2023 after welcoming our first child into the world Great space(s)l Here are two links for
reference: https://www.cowallisoregon.gov/parksrec/page/willamette-park-natural-area
https://www.cowaIIisoregon.gov/parksrec/page/crystal-lake-sports-fields As dog owners, the
best part for us was that it/they were dog friendly and during the Winter months Nov - March
the entirety of the park(s) was/were offered as an "OFF LEASH" park to dogs) Thanks to
everyone involved in this project and all other projects like it. We appreciate everyone's
efforts. Thanks too for reading!
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
PT Golf
I have attended two of the public meetings and reviewed the proposals. I am in favor Hybrid Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
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Option. My second choice is Central Park Plan.
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
PT Golf
I like the Central Park idea. Seems like it would provide the most benefit to the most people.
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As i understand it, the golf course cannot support itself without a significant capital
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
investment which, given the waning popularity of the sport, seems a questionable use of
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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public resources. And although a''compromise'' (like the hybrid model) sounds appealing, it
may be just kicking the can down the road if the golf course component proves unsustainable
in the future.
PT Golf
The survey form mentioned in Open house 43 from Groundswell cannot be accessed. The URL
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PT Golf I attended the third open house and have several observations and a few conclusions. The
Online presentation indicated in itia l l y that there was a consensus and the stakeholder committee
would be recommending the hybrid plan to the council. The presenters appeared to pitch the
hybrid approach (which incidentally seems to closely mirror David Heins' recommendations in
his analysis and report) by repeatedly using a phrase similar to best alternative for the most
people. During the Qand A period, I asked the Groundswell representative whether he had
any data, projected or otherwise of the num be of people for the various uses. He said that
there was none and later after the formal session told me that such an analysis would be too
expensive. So I concluded''best alternative for most people'' was not grounded in any data. A
participant that had attended previous meetings indicated that the actual consensus was that
two plans would be presented at the third open house, the hybrid plan and a central park and
that in fact there was no concensus on which approach to take. Several individuals who
appeared to favor the golf course indicated that removal of the driving range to accomodate
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them to be essential to a golf course for practice and warm-up. Participants asked a variety of
questions seeking clarification of details of the two proposals and the conversation
(somewhat mysteriously to me) became quite heated, particularly during the show of hands
as towho supported each of the two options. Very few hands were raised for either options
(single digits). So my takeaways were that in fact there was no consensus toward a single
solution arising from the stakeholder process, and that there was no projected use data for
either of the alternatives. From a 40+ year career in product development which includes
experience with two startups, I have seen many designs fail for lack of understanding who the
users are, what their needs are, and how big the user base is. It appears that the hybrid
approach seeks to mollify a vocal group of golfers, and the general population while not doing
a great job for the former, and an unknown/unestimated benefit for the general populus.
Were one to consider allocation of land area to users by class, it seems that with the hybrid
plan, a disproportionate amount of the land benefits golfers vs general population that might
with the hybrid plan, a disproportionate amount of the land benefits golfers vs general
population that might use a park. The central park proposal with amphitheater seemed to me
more attractive and most likely to benefit that greater number of users. Until an attempt at
projecting number of people by use is done, an expensive decision stands to be made based
on thin information and essentially hunches albeit informed by a dedicated group of people
who've clearly done a lot of work and want to be done with it. I do not agree with
Groundswell that such a projection would be terribly costly. It is very common when
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engineering solutions to make such estimates by analogy or other means and given what's at
stake am a bit dismayed that such work hasn't been attempted. The Groundswell rep told me
something interesting sort of as an aside, that despite attempts at outreach, the general
population avoids meetings such as these, preferring to vote in the comfort of their
anonymity. He lauded PT residents for relatively high involvement in the process (which in my
opinion and observation has yielded indeterminate and un -founded results). His comment
makes me wonder whether putting the two alternatives to a formal vote by the residents
might not be a bad idea. Thanks for your consideration.
PT Go If I was unable to attend the meeting this week, but l wanted to submit my support for the
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6/23/2023 Online hybrid plan, as opposed to the Central Park or simply updating the existing golf course
(primarily due to the direct cost to the City for the later).
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6/24/2023 PT Golf I am not a golfer. Keep the golf course. It is the only alternative that makes any sense at all.
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6/24/2023 PT Golf I would like to see the golf course remain a golf course.
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Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
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PT Golf I attended the meeting at the Fort Worden Commons this past week. l a m concerned that the Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Online stakeholder group has not real ly reached consensus on what direction to proceed based on Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
the disagreements among the stakeholders themselves du ring the meeting. My strong planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
preference is for the golf course layout to remain as it is. It should be treated as a historic
property. I don't believe the city needs to rob Peter to pay Paul. Specifically many of the
amenities identified in the hybrid plan could be located elsewhere in the city. The first is the
walking trails. Besides the city already having plenty of walking trails that are not heavily
utilized they should be looking at creating a loop path around Kai Tai Lagoon. Fixing Kai Tai is
a much higher priority than the golf course. Every person I have talked to is literally afraid to
walk in there. The land is fill and should not be treated as some form of sacred land that can't
be developed for human enjoyment. Open spaces need to be created so that people don't
fear what is around the corner. The millions of dollars being discussed for the golf course site
would be much better utilized at Kai Tai. Affordable housing should be located off Rainier
Street near Discovery Rd. The city should partner with Washington State to leverage facilities
at Fort Worden. A comment was made about the need fora performing arts center. The city
could rent out the auditorium (old blimp hangar) at Fort Worden monthly or more frequently
if needed. It would be much less expensive than building and maintaining their own. Any
amphitheater should be near the water downtown and not near neighborhoods who would
be impacted by the events held there. Again this would be a perfect fit for some of the Kai Tai
open space including a park with pickelball courts and a dog park. My hope is that the city
focuses their efforts on Kai Tai and sees the golf course for the jewel that is needing only a
little polish.
PT Golf As a resident of Port Townsend, I am strongly opposed to the proposal to eliminate or
Online substantially reduce the golfcourse. While I do not play golf, I have observed that the golf
course has been and continues to be used regularly byaverage working class people who
deserve the city's support. I would support some changes such as the''golf park'' hybrid as
proposed by PT Golf and Friends. With a 433 -acre destination state park within the city limits,
the last thing we need is a new''Central Park'' (Concept 43) or''Space for Nature'' (Concept
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PT Go If As reported, there are as many as 10 different plans for the current golfcourse. A golfcourse, Thankyou so much foryour input forthis community discussion aboutthe Port Townsend Golf Course and
Online I've observed, used regularly by many PT residents even in its current condition. I am a 11 Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
year resident of PTand have enjoyed this magnificent area with all the natural beauty it has planning team fortheir consideration. Thankyou so much fortakingthe time to send yourthoughts.
6/26/2023 to offer. This includes the 433 acre urban park at Fort Worden. The proposals for the "Central
Park" or "Space for Nature" seem redundant when we already have all of that for no more
than the price of a Discover Pass. I'm in favor of supporting the things we already have and
restoring and revitalizing the current golfcourse.
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PT Golf I thought the golf course drama would work its own self out. The original premise for its
Online review was it's a financial drain on city coffers. From what I knew, it was running at minor
deficit and maintained by a largely volunteer grounds crew. To change this formula in any
way would take MORE money. It's already a golf course, already maintained, already
beautiful and historical. My hunch is most residents are ambivalent about it. Which also made
it a status quo site. If the majority wanted another use and were willing to raise taxes or pull
from city pet round -a -bout and art projects then so be it. But as I've read more about
meetings there are small groups of "stakeholders" which divide people into blocks and takes
away from the individual resident input. I would imagine the golf leagues (men's & women's),
the HS golf team, casual players are likely what would be called stakeholders. But how it got
attached to pool as evidenced in a Leader article, I'm confused. What does one have to do
with the other? Seems like a false equivalency. As with all things Port Townsend community
culture it can get "deeply weird" (2021PTHS Valedictorian speech). Most towns install
6/26/2023 Pickleball courts and those who like to, play. The course is 58 acres of land. How is the Port
Townsend Pickleball League a stakeholder? Pickleball courts are very small and could be built
on a small patch. 58 acres is likely 50,000 pickleball courts. Then there's Central Park utopian
fringe. Well, it actually sounds cool.. But, maintaining a 58 acre park would be very expensive
and I would imagine it could present some unique security and squatter challenges. When I
chose PT as home in 2002, 1 chose based on natural beauty, Fort Warder, North Beach,
Chetzemoke Parks.. and a couple golf courses. Really nothing else aside from very reasonable
housing prices at the time, if you can believe that. I guess I'd ask, if we already have 3 crown
jewel parks and beaches, why are we going after the golf course? My tenure here has been
off and on but I've taught my kids golf and how to drive (cart) on the course. I've been
impressed with the scratch golfers turned out by PTHS golf team. I've been impressed with
the crew that maintains the course on a shoestring. It's a challenging sport and an allegory for
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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life. When it gets difficult you learn how to persevere and do better. I see a hybrid
"compromise" with "stakeholders" as the contrived narrative. Doesn't that require MORE
PT Golf Leave the golf course as is. We already have pickleball courts, a dog park, walking and biking Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Online trails, parks for play and civic plazas. A splash pad water play area? Seriously? 4.4 million will Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
go a long way to fixing the city's deteriorating streets and infrastructure needs. Let the golf planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
course continue to be the one green spot in town guaranteed not to be ruined by
development.
6/27/2023 PT Golf Very much in favor of the proposal for the Central Park concept. The town needs a civic Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Online center for ALL not just for a select few, ie golfers. Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
PT Golf Can you direct me to the images of the original four options for the golf course, and also for
Online the updated two current options? I can not find them currently the City website. I believe
6/28/2023 they are only included in some meeting or open house presentation that is NOT easy to find.
These are not listed in the''Materials for Review'' list, and a website search for''golf course
options'' does not seem to be very helpful either.
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I urge you to make a bold, visionary decision to repurpose it to the Central Park option. I think Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
a bout the long -ago decision that Christine Gregoire made for a tunnel versus replacing the planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
old Viaduct in Seattle. That was a contentious, emotionally fraught time, complete with a
stakeholder process that was unable to produce consensus. Gregoire made the hard decision,
and the tunnel now has opened up more connections between downtown and the
waterfront than ever before.Port Townsend's 2020 PROS plan clearly reflected the public's
desire to review usage of the 59 acres now occupied by the golf course. The 10 -month
process that will culminate in a few short weeks has been robust and inclusive. The
stakeholder group itself seems unlikely to reach consensus on presenting one plan, and the
fervor with which the golfing community has presented its case might make it seem as if the
community is divided. I believe that these past 3.5 years demonstrates that the community
wants alternative uses. A full 42% of people who gave input over the past 10 months want the
6/26/2023 Central Park option, versus 33% for a restored golf course. The hybrid options also
demonstrate a desire for alternative uses.As a citizen, I have experienced the golfers' public
campaign to be disingenuous and manipulative. In many ways, I understand this: they are in a
defensive posture, trying to save something they value and fear they will lose. This is a time of
grief and anticipated grief. However, their use of language to remake reality is at best,
confusing: Yard signs that proclaim "save our open space". That is disingenuous. Yes, a golf
green looks open, but it is not actually open to the public. Signage around the edges makes
this quite clear. Ahybrid plan presented to the stakeholder group on June 8. It's actually not
hybrid, but squeezes a couple of amenities in around the edges. It does not shrink the
footprint of the course, nor does it allow trail walking during golf hours. Comments about lack
of clear data from the golf course vendor being the city's fault because they didn't hold him
accountable. The golf course is historic and deeply embedded in the town's culture. In fact,
it's the land itself that historic (camas prairie, for example, and Hastings Pond). The land has
always been meant for municipal purposes. A golf course is not the highest of possible
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The golf course is historic and deeply embedded in the town's culture. In fact, it's the land
itself that historic (camas prairie, for example, and Hastings Pond). The land has always been
meant for municipal purposes. A golf course is not the highest of possible municipal purposes,
and in fact does not meet the majority of the stakeholder group's decision making criteria. For
a long while I was leaning toward a hybrid option, I think out of trying to respect what the
golfers have to lose. Now, however, I realize: I don't think we citizens should be held hostage
to the golf course. I have always thought that it's a deeply troubling and inequitable use of
the land: to take that much land offline from being always open to the entire town and
direct its usage to house a private golf course is de facto exclusive. If this were a blank slate of
land, I am sure --given the robust public input --that a golf course would not rise to the top of
this town's collective desires.Please do not delay this decision. Please do not direct that this
large, beautiful property be dedicated primarily to golf and thus exclude the majority of this
town. Be bold enough to see into the future beyond today's vocal minority. There is no better
time to make this decision and put this controversy to rest, but moreover to create a crown
jewel legacy for this town that creates open, equitable access for all.Thank you for listening,
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I was traveling and missed the last public meeting. I see we are now down to two Thanks for writing. I appreciate your comments and we'll wrap those into the public process/lag of input for
options: These look good, except I notice that more housing has been added, along the east council to consider. To your question, the main thrust for more housing came from the#1 top priority of our
diagonal, which was not present in any of the previous iterations. I support more housing, but local schools when we asked them what their preferences were. you might also be aware that we are truly
the location is perplexing to me. There is no road access and none is depicted. It's the struggling with o major housing supply and affordability issue and this is one of the City's top priorities (see
steepest portionof the park, which was previously depicted as the most difficult and more here- or even watch here). The mock up/designs are notfinol designs butfor illustrative purposes; there
6/27/2023 expensive to bui l d on. And it also is cu rrently the best wildl ife/bird section, being mostly is not currently any major project being developed as this would take quite o lot more thinking, planning, and
thickets and copses of a lders a nd conifers. Surely housing along San Jun n wou Id be easier a nd community engagement.
less impactful. It seems inappropriate to add such a significant new element at this late stage,
as it was not subject to the rigorous public comment earlier. Are there more details about this
component?
Duple or question ano concerns tnat were impossitne to capture in the mini -survey.
So, I decided to contact you directly. The 36 unit housing area proposed for the natural
wooded area between Cherry and Redwood Streets took me by complete surprise. There has
been NO discussion of this throughout the golf -course envisioning process. In fact, the first
time I and many other residents became aware of it was in the maps contained as part of the
survey. The only previous mention we can find is in your strategy group's June 22, 2023 .pdf
(3 days after the mini -survey was launched?!). There, we find that the very first mention of
obliterating that wooded area is contained in the 'preferred alternatives" buried back on page
13. Where is the analysis for this "preference"? With nothing more to go on the the
minimalist maps used by the strategy group, the new proposed housing would appear to have
several problems:1) It is located on land zoned "municipal use only." At one of the public
meetings early in the year, Mayor Faber made very clear no housing could or would happen
on such lands; 2) It would completely obliterate the largest contiguous natural area on the
6/28/2023 property, a 3 -acre swale densely wooded with thickets, deciduous and coniferous trees. This
is despite the fact that the public has shown a clear preference for natural areas and habitat
restoration, not habitat destruction. This section is actually one of the best pieces of mixed -
deciduous woodlands in town, and home to nesting Willow Flycatchers and Black -headed
Grosbeaks, species which are rare nesters within the city limits. 3) It poses considerable
logistical hurdles. -There appears to be no dedicated through -street from Redwood, and C
Street runs through a pond. Also, the area includes some of the steepest slopes on the entire
parcel. The city has labeled the area as extremely costly to develop and "would require
extensive and costly earthwork."4) The area has very poor road connectivity. A connection to
Cherry would create a steep road joining a blind curve. Even if you have the money to
condemn some portion of adjacent properties, simultaneous connection to Redwood would
turn a small residential street into a shortcut for vehicles going from downtown to North
Beach. Neither option is good for this number of units.5) It would eliminate an important
pedestrian trail that is the main link between Happy Valley/North Beach and
Thanks for writing. I appreciate your comments and we'll wrap those into the public process/log of input for
council to consider. To your question, the main thrust for more housing came from the #1 top priority of our
local schools when we asked them what their preferences were. You might also be aware that we are truly
struggling with a major housing supply and affordability issue and this is one of the City's top priorities (see
more her - or even watch here). The mock up/designs are not final designs but for illustrative purposes;
there is not currently any major project being developed as this would take quite a lot more thinking,
planning, and community engagement.
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Golf Course property. There has been an admirable effortto gather input and hearopinions
and ideas throughout the very open proceedings. Until now. The most recent on-line survey
"Port Townsend Golf Course Open House 3 - Online Questionnaire" presents two (apparently
final) options. Both options include "housing" along the west side of the property
is
Streets). At what point was housing discussed earlier in the decision process?
It is presented now as if it was thoroughly vetted and considered during public discussions
over the last many months... but it really hasn't been at all. The general impact, size, and
location of the housing (as presented) has not been a part of the process. It comes off as if
there is a special agenda being sprung on the public at the last minute. Why? I have heard
that a survey conducted amongst High School students identified housing as a priority. Has
that been the case in the multiple other surveys and comments from the public? My
recollection is that Nature and Habitat were priorities for most. No one can dispute the need
for additional housing options in Port Townsend, and it may well be that the Golf Course
property should include some sort of residential construction. BUT: an open review of such a
project should include consideration of multiple issues regarding a housing project: size?
location? single-family? Low-cost apartments? In particular, the location of any housing
should be considered. That would not seem to be the western edge of the property. Here's
why: The western edge of the property is currently the only remaining natural habitat and
wildlife corridor on the property. In previous surveys, the public has made it clear that nature
and habitat restoration are the #1 priority. Why, then, would housing be placed in an area
that requires removal of the only existing natural habitat on the property? Surely there are
other locations on the property that could be utilized for a housing project. There is room on
the proposed Central Park model for both retaining the natural habitat (that currently exists)
and new housing. There is simply no need to put these two priorities in conflict. Please find
somewhere else on the Golf Course Property to create new housing. The western edge of the
project is not the logical Iocation.Please cast my vote for the Central Park model, but with
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The western edge of the project is not the logical Iocation.Please cast my vote for the Central
Park model, but with housing moved to somewhere else that preserves the existing natural
habitat.
Can you please present me with or point me to a detailed graphic and explanation of what
the hybrid golf plan consist of. I have found pictures of it with dots all over it and too small to
As we approach the date you will be voting to choose an alternative forthe golf course, I
must share my frustration regarding the choices presented by the City's Envision team. I'm
deeply disappointed by adding a large housing area on the one remaining undeveloped
section of the golf course, which you never previously discussed with the public. Both final
options now incorporate this housing development, disregarding green space. I'm
disappointed both by the new plan and byyour lack of disclosure. During previous meetings,
it was explicitly stated that housing was not part of the alternatives. However, at the last
meeting, a small section of housing on Redwood Street was unexpectedly introduced. All of a
sudden, an additional 36 units have been included in the final selection without any
community discussion. It raises valid concerns about construction and traffic
implications. Where is the vision of maintaining green space in the middle of the town? I find
this behavior on your part to be questionable and lacking in transparency. Initially, the city
showed a commitment to engaging in open discussions about the golf course. I am left
wondering what has caused this unfortunate shift in approach.
Thanks for writing. I appreciate your comments and we'll wrap those into the public process/log cf input for
council to consider. To your question, the main thrust for more housing came from the #1 top priority cf our
local schools when we asked them what their preferences were. You might also be aware that we are truly
struggling with a major housing supply and affordability, issue and this is one cf the City's top priorities (see
more here - or even watch here). The mock up/designs are not final designs but for illustrative purposes; there
is not currently any major project being developed as this would take quite a lot more thinking, planning, and
community engagement.
sent copy of graphic
Thank you for your email, Thomas. The consultant proposals are visioning ideas that do not control what the
end result of this process will turn out to be. That decision rests with the Port Townsend City Council, who will
be taking up the issue at our meeting on Monday, July 17. That said, the addition cf further housing in the
potential plans for the site came from two sources: (1) the overwhelming priority cf youth (school-age)
respondents to dedicate some of the land of the golf course to affordable housing, and (2) at the last council
touch -point many cf us voices an interest in seeing more housing incorporated into the visioning process, in
part because of the desires of the young members cf our community who will have to live with our decision.
This does not mean that any decisions have been made, only that we are (and will be) wrestling with the
complex web cf interests, concerns, and opportunities that exist with regard to the golf course land.
7/5/2023
7/3/2023
I applaud Robert Horner's magnificent design offering for use of the golf course space.l've
lived, worked and volunteered in PT for 34 years and love my community more each day.
While not a golfer, I find my soul, psyche and body nurtured by the the nature of the golf
course. On my daily walks by the area, I love the way my mind wanders to the sights of
friends golfing away, birds singing the glories of the day and the sky shifting from moment to
moment. I simply love the golf course. After viewing Robert's imagined site, my mind
wanders toward walks along the boardwalk and pond, residents digging away in our
community garden, happy residents perched within homes they otherwise couldn't afford,
golfers encouraging little white balls into their directed holes. Oh yes! I also imagine a big
smile on Chief Chetzemoka's statue, obviously counted with the use of his former domain.)
can't wait to sit at the expanded restaurant and taking in a concert, so much to be excited
about! Let's work real hard to make Robert's ideas a reality! Thank you for all of the work
you've given to this project!
As the voting day approaches for selecting an alternative for the golf course, I am sharing my
disappointment regarding the options presented by the City's Envision team. I am particularly
disturbed by the sudden inclusion of a large housing area on the last remaining undeveloped
portion of the golf course, which has never been revealed to the public before. Both final
options now feature this housing development; you have no choice but to select a vote for
the 36 units, leaving no space for green areas. Pretty slick how you managed this. In previous
meetings, it was explicitly stated that housing was not part of the alternatives. However, at
the last meeting, a small section of housing on Redwood Street was introduced unexpectedly.
As part of the final selection, 36 units have been included without any community
consultation.This decision contradicts the idea of utilizing the property for green and open
spaces. It also raises concerns about construction, parking and traffic, let alone no
environmental impact study, just to name a few. I must express my dissatisfaction with the
lack of transparency displayed here. Initially, the city appeared committed to engaging in
open conversations (what a farce) about the golf course. I am left wondering what has caused
this disappointing turn of events.
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Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
The consultant proposals are visioning concept drawings that do not control decision-making regarding
the future of the golf course land. Instead, that decision rests with the Port Townsend City Council,
who will be taking up the issue at our meeting on Monday, July 17. That said, the addition of further
housing in the potential plans for the site came from two sources: (1) the overwhelming priority of
youth (school-age) respondents to dedicate some of the land of the golf course to affordable housing,
and (2) at the last council touch -point, many of us voices an interest in seeing more housing
incorporated into the visioning process, in part because of the desires of the young members of our
community who will have to live with our decision. This does not mean that any decisions have been
made, only that we are (and will be) wrestling with the complex web of interests, concerns, and
opportunities that exist with regard to the golf course land.
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I sent the following comments 20 minutes later than the 2 hour prior to meeting
requirement. In case it did not get included in the minutes of the 7/3/23 meeting minutes, I
am sending my comments to the General Council email address. Thankyou foryour
consideration.For the Council's consideration., July 3, 2023.Considering the following, itis
apparent that the changes in the golf course contained in the Consultant's Hybrid plan are
counter to the best interests of the City. 1) This City has more miles of easily accessible trails
than any City of its size that I know of. Trails winding across the open spaces of the fairways
seem ridiculous. 2) The dog park can be put in any number of places (the space west of the
current park including the defunct tennis court, the east end of KaiTai park, etc) 3) Since there
is to be a children's play area associated with the pool complex, what is the need for another
on the golf course property across the street? 4) The hybrid plan developed by golfers (drawn
by Mr. Horner) would provide for trails, bird overlook, puttputt golf, and an amphitheater
with movable stage without changing -in any significant way -the layout of the Course or loss
of the driving range. However, the most important consideration for the Council is the
appropriateness of the expenses that would be incurred with adoption of either option for
changing the golf course proposed by the consultants. Initial cost of the changes would pale
in comparison to the longterm costs of maintenance. The Council is sworn to ensure fiscal
integrity and longterm stability. Neither of the proposed options are fiscally
responsible.Accepting the cost of unnecessary changes to the land now occupied by the
Course other than some work to improve the playability (estimated at $450M to 500M by
David Heine, but later raised without reason or logic to 1.3mm by Mr. Jones...) is just more
indebtedness that the City can ill afford when contemplating multimillion dollar expenses for
the planned Pool complex, paying down the Carmel building fiasco, the ever expanding
crumbling of the roads, and the maintenance and improvement needs of the water and
sewer systems .Please leave the Course as it is, allow the golf manager to maintain the land,
and place other City needs and desires elsewhere.
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Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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is the #1 top priority of our local schools. I'm sure that it true, but I think it's important to
know how the question was posed. If it was on the golf course mini survey, then of course
they said housing. There was no other choice! The student "preference" for housing on the
golf course might be more persuasive if the question was posed on a questionnaire much
larger in scope. Were the students given the opportunity to evaluate the many different
parcels owned by the city? Could they voice their preference that open fields on streets be
developed before forested areas? Did you ask them if parks should also be built upon? How
about converting some government buildings into housing? And did you ask them how much
housing is enough? Until that happens, there is nothing persuasive about a student vote that
there should be housing on the golf course property. (And if there was such a more expansive
questionnaire posed to the students, why has the entire town not been given the same
opportunity to answer those larger questions?) Regarding their indicated preference, 1
7/3/2023 understand the students' frustration. When I filled out the survey, I started out thinking that I
preferred the Central Park concept. But when I saw that housing was included in both, I
decided to vote for the golf course to ensure that there is another voice in the discussion. It
wasn't my "preference", but the structure of the survey left me concerned that even though
the Mayor and city staff have said there will be no housing built on golf course property,
there are still plans to build houses on golf course property. Finally, I listened to you on
Brewocracy last week, and I heard you say that there was nothing random about the choice
of where the proposed developments were placed, even though they were only for
"illustrative purposes". Notwithstanding the students' "preference" for housing on the golf
course, why was that particular site picked for a 36 unit housing development? Your "not
random" assertion implies that the housing project was intentionally put on the trail.
Candidly, a dart thrown at the map would make me feel better about the choice. I would like
to know more about the process in deciding to put the mock up/not-final-designs in that
particular spot. Mr. Mauro, I can understand how difficult the struggle to address the housing
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I'm writing in request for information regarding the large housing development that has been
included during the final stage of the public envisioning and comment period for the golf
course project. My questions are two fold - 1) Why was this extensive housing cluded only in
the final drafts of the plan recommendations to city council, and not on the table for
discussion and public comment from the earlier stages of the envisioning process? 2) Do you
share my concern for how this appears to cast a negative image on efforts to romote
transparency and good faith dealings within the public process? A primary concern of mine is
the direct contradiction this implies to the statements made by city staff at the open house
meetings that the city would not be seeking re -zoning of the currently zoned Public Open
Space that is the city's golf course property. My opinion is that we need our elected officials,
public servants, and bureaucrats to stand behind their words now more than ever. If a
statement regarding the lack of intention to re -zone P/OS for housing was made in error, can
it be addressed candidly, and clarified or corrected?I am an ally and supporter of efforts to
lower cost of housing and for promoting means for working class families and individuals to
own homes within city limits. That being said, a secondary concern of mine is that the push
for publicly funded sponsoring of affordable housing is getting far ahead of its self with the
proposal to re -zone public open space for housing without first proving a working model of
how that may shake out. Please be laser -focused on pulling off Evan's Vista project in a fair
and successful way, and salvaging, and turning around the Cherry Street Housing project
before taking the extreme step of re -zoning public open space.) will ask that the additional
housing that is proposed on the currently zoned P/OS portion of the golf course property be
deleted from both of the final preferred alternative proposals to city council. Also, I will hope
that any re -zoning of P/OS be carefully considered, put up for public discussion/debate and
decided by city residents via ballot. Thank you for your consideration on this.
After the meeting last nite I pondered the message that was sent to Council. I have
concluded the most important take away from the meeting was the curious no show of
Council constituents who favor City Park, or dog park on the driving range, or play area, or a
myriad of trails to nowhere. They simply didn't bother to show up and voice their desires.
So, why is that? The meeting was adequately advertised, plenty of lead time for people to
plan to go. Curious and telling.There is only one logical reason for their absence. They really
don't have any skin in the game. Most of those who mused about packing every favorite
activity into the golf course simply don't share the passion, or investment in their ideas as do
the golf community, and non golfers who share their love of the existing open space, and the
opportunities for young and old to enjoy the game and its health benefits. It is my belief that
the single greatest mistake the consultants made in their assessment is their disregard for the
energy behind the dots on maps and votes done with the click of a finger on the keyboard. I
would guess that if the City Park idea were eliminated, Council would scarcely hear a peep
out of the majority of those who voted for it. It would be more like a shrug and "oh well"
response. Not so forthose golfers and non golfers who support the existing golf course.
Council's decisions must consider the level of commitment of its constituents and the forever
loss of a beloved Course against a poll of the citizenry that is no more representative of the
city's best option forthe golf course than if they had asked passerbys on a street corner to
give an opinion.) truly hope the decision made by Council will honorthe legacy and great
potential of the oldest golf course (that has remained in place) in the State.
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The additional housing in the consultant proposals was the result of City Council asking why so little
weight was given to the stated preferences of the youth who responded to the surveys regarding the
golf course, with Port Townsend High School students rated "affordable housing" as their #1 priority
for the future of the golf course land. Some members of Council asked to see what options might exist
for adding further housing to the land. This does not mean any decisions have been made, only that
there are ideas being discussed and considered. Council's decision will be on the 17th.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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years. We should nowbe at the point where there is a final decision. To my dismay, the Envision
conrnittee for the Golf Course sent out a mini -survey that pared the choice to two options: the Golf
Course, or Carnal Park but that included completely new housing developments in both options. In
correspondence with various city staff and council members, it appears that they and the architect
were convinced that they needed to insert a 36-42 unithousing developments because housing is the
#I top priority of our local schools. So, there is this new monkey wrench thrown into what could have
been a relatively straightforward process for deciding what should happen to the golf course and the
underlying Iaad.I have little doubt that housing is the top priority of our students. But I question what
conclusions can be drawn about where to build housing based on a simple preference relating only to
the golf course. There are many other parcels that can be built on in Port Townsend, and fora true
sense of student preferences, they should have understood that those are options as well. For
ample, - Were they shown the many different parcels owned by the city and asked which ones
should be developed? - Were they shown the planned housing developments, their sizes and
locations, already approved by the city? - Could they voice thea priorities, such as open fields on
streets should be developed before foresled areas? - Did you ask them if parks should also be built
upon? If so, which ones?- How about converting some government buildings into housing? If none of
those larger questions were asked, then OF COURSE the students preferred to build on the golf
in lse. Given only one option, you take it. No single piece of property owned by the city,
ud i n g the golf cou rse, shou Id be viewed as a necessary coin ponent to satisfy the need for
housing. With regard to the golf course property, notwithstanding Mayor Fabers protestations,
there are many people who heard him and his staff say that no housing would be built on land with
deed restrictions for "municipal purposes'. There was no clear statement forth coming on which
land those restrictions applied. And so, the discussion about the future of the golf course proceeded
without any clarity. Indeed, I personally let the planning process run its course because of my
understanding that the housing needed for our town would be built on the many other pieces of
property languishing around town, and not on the golf course property. I consider it our Central
Park, regardless of whether it is shared with golfers. I guess I was foolish to trust statements by city
staff that housing was not "on the table' for the golf course. Now, accord ing to Mayor Faber, it
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Thank you for your email, Susan. I assure you I did not say that the deed restrictions on the golf course
land preclude housing. Instead, I stated that thus far it had not risen to the top of priority lists from
community surveys that I had seen, and as a result I did not anticipate that Council would move
toward including additional housing on the golf course land. Thereafter, some members of Council
responded to the level of student interest additional affordable housing on the golf course land and
requested to see additional housing options included in possible options. -This does not mean any
decisions have been made. -The end result remains an open question, additional housing or not, and
Council will take up the decision-making process on the 17th. Every permutation of every possible plan
for the future of the golf course has "but what about x, y, or z?" possibilities. The job of the Council will
be to determine what might best fit our community's needs and wants, and balance the various
interests that exist.Thank you again. I am CCing Carrie Hite to capture your comments in the record.l'm
not sure I'm able to get into the detail here of the meeting dynamics/framing with the students, but I
hear your perspective and concerns. On lack of transparency, I'll respectfully disagree. This process,
staff, and I have been transparent through and through. I invite you to continue to be part of the
process as it unfolds and, like we're committed to doing, keep an open mind for the best long-term
interests of the greater community.
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Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
meeting.My comment to the City Council, City staff, and fellow residents of Port Townsend is
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
a plea: a plea that you open up this entire large public propertyto the everyone. We need the
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Central Park option.There is plenty of evidence that access to the natural environment and
green space enhances our lives physically and mentally.With less mowed grass, and with
more native shrubs and trees, this green space can become true "green lungs" forthis part of
the town. We will need that as surrounding private property gets developed. Let us take
advantage of this amazing opportunity now. We can make this town better by opening up this
propertyto all residents and visitors. A park here will provide hundreds of residents with the
easy non -motorized access to green space that is not available to them now. A park here will
reduce cartrips for near by residents and improve their daily lives. At the same time this large
open space can, and should, include special amenities with some parking for those living
further away. There is space here for more nature: native plants, birds, and small animal
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7/5/2023 habitat to enrich the area, and also for trails, active play space, a space for music and
performances, picnic areas, and food vendors. These 50+ acres can become an amazing spot
for relaxation, exercise, and fun, while they give us cleaner air and healthier wildlife.) hope
we can all envision this: walking and running trails throughout, a bit more parking along San
Juan and on the south end, and perhaps a modest accessible playground. The community
gathering space on the plan could start as a simple space for 2-3 food trucks on weekends,
some picnic tables, and a set up for bean bag toss and other simple outdoor games. I hope we
do not waste this amazing opportunityto keep Port Townsend healthy, and make all parts of
town beautiful places to Iive.1 will take a moment to speak to the golf lovers. I do hear that
you love to play golf here, or even love just knowing that there is a golf course here in town.
But please tryto understand that your game is very specialized, and cannot appeal to many of
us. So we are shut out, told by messaging and clear signs that this 55+ acres of public property
is for golfers only. The numbers are real, it is a fact that this course is often empty or under
used even in fine weather. Please try to understand that those of us that cannot relate to
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weather. Please try to understand that those of us that cannot relate to hitting that little
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white ball have a right to enjoy this property.Council members, please choose the Central
Park option. This is a historic decision that can improve Port Townsend form many
years to come.
Editor, Poll Townsend Leader: WHOA! Isn't it time to take a few deep breaths and hit
the pause button on the Port Townsend golf course stakeholder scoping process?
Apparently, the plan has been whittled down to three alternatives, at least one of which
could compromise the course so severely as to effectively end its' existence as such.
However, there is a beautifiilly produced presentation of a plan that would benefit all of
the stakeholders. Let's call it the "golfers' plan" and it includes compromises from
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golfers, benefitting all the other stakeholders and would allow the course to continue as
such. Many non -golfers also love having our own little Central Park, and we would
happily continue to so, as well. All of us stakeholders, including the contracted
consultants, and theCity Council need to give the"golfers alternative" plan the respect
and thoughtful consideration it deserves, and this needs to happen before a final decision
is made that could effectively doomPort Townsend's sweet little municipal golf course.
7/6/2023
I hope to hell I am wrong, but doesn't it appear that the deciders have already decided the
fate of the Port Townsend golf course, in spite of any and all voices raised in inquiry,
opposition and protest? The proposals put forward as alternate fixed choices are each flawed
in the extreme, and lack focus and foresight. In the drive to satisfy each of the competing
factions clambering for a piece of the pie, the proposed hybrid solutions present a hapless
hodgepodge that will end up ruining a precious community asset forever.As it sits today, the
foremost feature of the golf course is that it is OPEN SPACE. It is land still open to the sky,
unencumbered for the most part by pavement and buildings, untrammeled by cars and
trucks, free from hustle and bustle of crowds and commerce. It is still relatively wild,
compared to the surrounding city.Consider how rare this actually is, OPEN SPACE, and how
valuable, increasingly desperately vital for our collective peace and sanity, as well as for the
creatures who must share the shrinking spaces still not given over to intensive human
use.Consider also how our children, and their children, will need OPEN SPACE to support and
refresh their lives. Do our current desires really rule, to the degree that we are willing to
forever commit to extracting more OPEN SPACE from the shrinking store? As long as the golf
course is one of the few remaining gems of open space remaining in our midst, might we
want to at least pause for reflection and contemplation of the future, and possibly postpone
the decision for a generation or two? Can't we kick this particular can down the road a piece,
take a collective breath, and look for alternatives that would lessen our impact on our
common home?I submit that the highest and best use of the golf course property is to remain
as OPEN SPACE. Whether the land is then devoted to golf, or parkland, urban forest, or some
other natural culture makes perfect sense, but to cover it with pavement, aquatic center,
parking lots, pickleball courts, housing, or any other intensive use seems shortsighted and
thoughtless, akin to a kind of cultural suicide.) have enjoyed golfing at the Port Townsend Golf
Course for three decades. I have spent many hundreds if not thousands of hours there, in all
seasons and weathers. I have seen and absorbed the minor and major changes in the land,
the trees, the condition of the course, the birds and furry critters that dwell there. Owls,
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Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
7/7/2023
constantly changing parade of clouds, walked the sloping contours time and time again,
watched the seasons come and go. Picked blackberries around the perimeter, plump for pies.
Worried about the invasive scotch broom and poison hemlock. Seen the fall of poplar limbs in
windstorms. Planted a memorial pine tree for a fallen friend. Enjoyed the friendship and
comfort of easy relations with fellow golfers, laughed and loved and cursed the damnable
Game of Golf.l consider myself and my fellow golfers, as well as the wild creatures that
depend on the golf course land, as serious and devoted Stakeholders in the fate of the golf
course property. The plain -faced reality that our knowledge, love and appreciation of the
property has been spectacularly under -represented, under -appreciated and discounted in the
City process is a travesty. To ignore the input of those most intimately acquainted with the
property, aware from years -long close communion with the space and its needs, moods,
assets and glories is inexplicable.A Simple Solution:l would like to propose a simple solution
to the immediate, short term, and possible long term state of the golf course:Sell the Cherry
Street Debacle.As a vivid demonstration of the abject record of the City's efforts to produce
affordable housing, the Cherry Street Floated -in and Flubbed apartment building on Cherry
Street needs no introduction or explanation.Sell the damn thing, immediately, as -is, on the
open market to the highest bidder.Earmark the funds from the Cherry Street Debacle sale, to
be used exclusively for improvements to the golf course. No ifs ands or buts. No siphoning off
money for another downtown sculpture or a pickle ball court. Golf course improvements
ON LY.Call for proposals for a new lease on the golf course operations, of a term no shorter
than ten years, so a prospective leaseholder can invest and plan appropriately.Structure the
lease such that innovations in management of the course are mandatory. Changes in
operations might include: In keeping with a desire to make the golf course property more
inclusive and available to non golfers, why not consider the example of St. Andrews of
Scotland, widely heralded as the home of modern golf, and close the course on Sundays to
golf, and open it to the public. There are periods in winter when the course is unplayable that
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the reason for including it in the concepts.The concern and confusion I share with others is
why the housing proposed on the currently zoned P/OS area of the project was included so
late in the process, noting that this is in contradiction to statements made by staff at the 4/26
open house regarding zoning issues.I attended the April 26 open house either correctly or
incorrectly thinking that the 4 draft proposals were essentially fully developed in concept -
meaning all major components of the design had been fleshed out and included - ready for
public discussion/debate and polling to eliminate the least favorable. During this open house
the question was asked by an attendee "why isn't more housing being included in the drafts'
A staff member clearly answered this question stating the zoning of most the golf course
property doesn't allow for housing but the portion of the propertythat is zoned for housing
has it included. They went on to state that although there is a periodic re -zoning process on
the horizon, the City has no intention of re -zoning golf course, and it would be difficult (and
probably contentious?) to do so. This statement directly addressed my concern and the
concern of others in my neighborhood who were at that meeting, so my comments were
withheld. The other point I want to address is the optics of inserting this significant and
contentious component 6 months into a 7 month long public engagement process. At best it
looks like some error on the administrative end has occurred (by not getting this onto the
table during the first half of the process and allowing it to be published only weeks prior to
vote by Council), at worst, frankly, it looks like a bait and switch or some form of
manipulation. I'm not inferring this was the intention, rather, I think its important to note this
is how it looks to many community members.There are a ton of other reasons to lobby for
not re -zoning public noun space for housing. but. I thought it was off the table. as addressed
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Thanks for writing. I appreciate your comments and we'll wrap those into the public process/log cf input for
council to consider. To your question, the main thrust for more housing came from the #1 top priority cf our
local schools when we asked them what their preferences were. you might also be aware that we are truly
struggling with a major housing supply and affordability issue and this is one cf the City's top priorities (see
more here - or even watch here). The mock up/designs are not final designs but for illustrative purposes; there
is not currently any major project being developed as this would take quite a lot more thinking, planning, and
community engagement.
7/9/2023
In the very last minutes of the very last Golf Course Stakeholder's Meeting on July 6th,
a new 'modified' plan for the Central Park Option was brought up (Andy's Plan -
includes mini-golf/putt putt). An unofficial poll of the S members present in the room
out of 21 members voted to present this 'modified' option going forward to the Parks
Board and Councilmembers - not all S approved. In all fairness, there should have
been a poll, also, by Carrie and the Consultants to bring forward the 'modified' Hybrid
Plan - Robert Horner's Design, to the Parks Board and Councilmembers. All who have
learned of Horner's Hybrid option since it was presented (2 Stakeholder meetings ago
and at the Open House) thought it was the best Option they've seen so far, as it has so
much to offer in new amenities for the community, BUT, also keeps the historically
famous design of the Golf Course - which maintains the course's integrity instead of
reducing it's appeal. Even some stakeholder members pushing for Central Park said
they'd feel much more appeased by Horner's Hybrid Plan than the Consultant's Hybrid
Plan made up. It's an obvious WIN-WIN Plan. As was clearly stated by Carrie, the two
options made up (Hybrid/Central Park) are NOT set in stone. They are ONLY
'concepts'.Councilmembers have the power to ask the Consultants to adjust/modify
their Hybrid Plan to accommodate so much more of Horner's Plan - in spite of
Consultant Chris's statement that it's too late in the Master Planning Process to
consider Horner's modifications. Just as, it's in the Councilmembers' power to ask
Consultants to adjust/modify their own Central Park Plan to accommodate Andy's
Plan.Let's keep this fair` And please ... do NOT let the Aquatic Facility somehow slip
onto the Golf Course property at the very last minute for any kind of reason, what -so -
ever!!
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Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
7/8/2023
with regard to a last-minute addition to the golf course envisioning effort — to both of
the "preferred alternatives" — of a significant housing project located on top of the
largest remaining patch of natural habitat on the parcel (along the east side of the
property). This seems to pit nature and housing, two of the public's top priorities,
against each other, even though both the natural area and the housing project
each constitute a small proportion of the total parcel area. This proposal was never
subject to public review and comment and was never part of any previous alternative or
map presented to the public. Because it appears on both preferred alternatives, the
public can only vote "for" it. In addition to noteworthy zoning, road access, and slope
issues, locating the housing here would destroy the largest remaining natural habitat
on the property, a 3 -acre swale densely wooded with thickets and a wide array of
deciduous and coniferous trees. This section is actually one of the best pieces of mixed -
deciduous woodlands in our entire city. The presence of Long-tailed Weasel, and
nesting Willow Flycatchers, Black -headed Grosbeaks, and Swain son's Thrushes are all
indicators that this is high functioning deciduous riparian habitat. Perhaps no better
illustration comes than that of the chickadee—they require over 6,000 caterpillars to
raise a nest of chicks. They primarily get these caterpillars from native alders, birch, and
bitter cherry trees. Because all three of these tree species are present in this woodland,
both Black -capped and Chestnut -backed Chickadees successfully raise chicks here
annually. As someone who was involved with habitat restoration for most of my career,
I can tell you that creating this habitat from scratch (e.g. from a golf course) would take
at least 30 years, plus cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Keeping it, and expanding
it to connect it with the willows around the pond, would be the most logical — and
economical — approach to habitat restoration on the golf course parcel. Destruction of
this habitat could jeopardize the city's attempts to get partnering funds for the park
on the golf course parcel. Destruction of this habitat could jeopardize the city's
attempts to get partnering funds for the park from the Washington Wildlife and
Recreation Program or Dept of Ecology's Environmental Restoration Grants, not to
mention other non-governmental habitat restoration grant sources.) ask the Parks
Board and the city to protect this natural area, and to explore other locations for this
housing development, and subject them to proper public review and comment.Thank
you for your consideration.
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Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
6/30/2023
Golf Course property. There has been an admirable effort to gather input and hear opinions
and ideas throughout the very open proceedings.Until now. The most recent on-line survey
"Port Townsend Golf Course Open House 3 - Online Questionnaire" presents two (apparently
final) options. Both options include "housing" along the west side of the property
(Cherry/Walker Streets). At what point was housing discussed earlier in the decision process?
It is presented now as if it was thoroughly vetted and considered during public discussions
over the last many months... but it really hasn't been at all. The general impact, size, and
location of the housing (as presented) has not been a part of the process. It comes off as if
there is a special agenda being sprung on the public at the last minute. Why? I have heard
that a survey conducted amongst High School students identified housing as a priority. Has
that been the case in the multiple other surveys and comments from the public? My
recollection is that Nature and Habitat were priorities for most. No one can dispute the need
for additional housing options in Port Townsend, and it may well be that the Golf Course
property should include some sort of residential construction. BUT: an open review of such a
project should include consideration of multiple issues regarding a housing project: size?
location? single-family? Low-cost apartments? In particular, the location of any housing
should be considered. That would not seem to be the western edge of the property. Here's
why: The western edge of the property is currently the only remaining natural habitat and
wildlife corridor on the property. In previous surveys, the public has made it clear that nature
and habitat restoration are the #1 priority. Why, then, would housing be placed in an area
that requires removal of the only existing natural habitat on the property? Surely there are
other locations on the property that could be utilized for a housing project. There is room on
the proposed Central Park model for both retaining the natural habitat (that currently exists)
and new housing. There is simply no need to put these two priorities in conflict. Please find
somewhere else on the Golf Course Property to create new housing. The western edge of the
project is not the logical Iocation.Please cast my vote for the Central Park model, but with
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
7/10/2023
use of the golf course Iand.The golf course area may look to some people like land
waiting to be developed. To us it is welcome open space and wildlife habitat and it is
part of the charm of this small rural town. We would like for it to be maintained as an
ecologically friendly golf course, open to the public at low cost. There seems to be no
reason to get rid of an historic community golf course that serves working class folks.
Facilities for other activities can be placed in other Iocations.We have specific concerns
about some of the proposals.We are homeowners on Redwood Street and we have ,
for 15 years, observed the wildlife here: migrating birds, resident birds (including
eagles and herons), squirrels, deer, raccoons, coyotes, rats, insects,salamanders, frogs,
bats and more. These animals are all part of this local ecosystem. We watch many
pedestrians and bicyclists come by, on their way to or from the trail through the woods
making their way around town without using cars. This is part of the charm of this rural
town... this is valuable to our community. Building a road from Redwood to Cherry
Street would not only eliminate this welcome patch of wildness but it would remove an
important trail for non -motorists. It would also create another awkwardly angled
intersection at Cherry Street, and channel more cars through an already awkwardly
narrow intersection at Redwood and F Streets.We oppose the building of said road.
Also in the newest version of alternative plans is housing development. While we are
not against more houses per se, building 6-8 houses along the west side of Redwood
Street (near the pond at the north end of the golf course) would be on or very close to
wetland and would undoubtedly affect the ecosystem in that area, via direct pollution
and disruption during the building process, and via the use of potentially toxic
materials. In addition, the elevation is quite low and the sewer is uphill from those
sites. How would those sites be properly drained? This valley is named Spring Valley
fnr a re -nn- the tnwn'c nriPinal cnurre of frech water is riPht here The Pnlf rnurce
How would those sites be properly drained? This valley is named Spring Valley for a
reason: the town's original source of fresh water is right here. The golf course pond
and a small pond near the end of Beech Street are fed by the spring. One of the houses
nearby must constantly run a sump pump to keep the basement dry! Thorough
examination of the potential building sites and study of the environmental impact of
building on this land would probably reveal the need for special engineering and
drainage systems- a costly process. The houses would also be in or very close to the
tsunami inundation zone. Is it really wise to build a few houses there? Please consider
these issues very carefully. We appreciate you taking the time to read our letter.
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planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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As we approach the date you will be voting to choose an alternative for the golf course, I must share my
frustration regarding the choices presented by the City's Envision team. I'm deeply disappointed by the
addition of a large housing area on the one remaining undeveloped section of the golf course, which you
never previously discussed with the public. Both final options now incorporate this housing development,
leaving no consideration for green space. I'm disappointed both by the new plan and by your lack of
disclosure. I understood on the January 11 meeting there would be no housing on the golf course. During
previous meetings, it was explicitly stated that housing was not part of the alternatives. However, at the last
meeting., a small section of housing on Redwood Street was unexpectedly introduced. All of a sudden, an
additional 36 units have been included in the final selection without any community consultation. Moreover,
it raises valid concerns about construction and traffic implications. Where is the vision of maintaining green
space in the middle of the town? How does this vision shared by many square with cutting down three
acres of forest for housing & paving over a well loved trail (Blackberry Hill) connecting Redwood St to
Cherry St.? I find this behavior on your part to be questionable and lacking in transparency. Initially, the
city showed a commitment to engaging in open discussions about the golf course. I am left wondering what
has caused this sudden, last minute & unfortunate shift in approach. Amy Howard & Aislinn Palmer- I
would particularly like to hear your response to this issue as both of you have or are working
for groups advocating for "affordable housing'. Our school hill neighborhood has heard
from the City Manager & from the mayor on numerous occasions about this issue so you two
need not respond to this note. Ben Thomas wrote a refreshing note to my neighbor Steve
Hampton so I pretty much know where he stands. Libby Wennstrom, Monica Mickhagger &
Owen Rowe I would very much appreciate hearing your responses to this late inning addition
of so much housing in our neighborhood. (It would increase our housing density six fold!) My
wife & I have the email addresses to about 93 households that make up the School Hill
neighborhood. Rest assured when you write me I will forward your comments to about 250
more people. If what you write seems particularly important I will also put it on Nextdoor
under "PT Golf Course."Thank you all for your service to the city of Port Townsend.
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Here are my responses to any further money being funneled into the golf
course and other proposals.l. We have a wonderful senior /community center in
uptown. It needs to be fully developed such as the Shipley Center in Sequim-
with activities for all ages.We have free access to Fort Worden Park, the
Uptown Park, the Water Street Park (across from the Legion), the play park on
Cherry Street, the Chetzemoka Park, the North Beach Park, the Sather Park, the
skate board park, the Mt. View area, and I am sure other park areas-- I guess
what I am saying is that WE DO NOT NEED ANY MORE PARKS. The city won't
take care of road or the property alongside them. I think they said it was the
property owners' responsibility how can they afford another expense? Or I
should say can we/I (as taxpayers) afford another expense? Upgrade the pool
and area. What percentage of users vs. population?Thinking that if 150 people
voiced their want of a golf course- what percentage is that of the total
population of PT? Minuscule percentage! Why hasn't a vote of the people been
proposed? And of those how many were actual golfers?Keep the Police in the
Mt. View Commons building and upgrade. How many 100 -year-old buildings are
still standing? For instance, our City Hall/ Library?The City wants affordability
for the working class- you can't expect that with the tax increases you are
proposing.Sell the city owned land to private enterprise to pay for these
upgrades. Have the city (whatever department) clean up those
triangle drain areas around town- blackberries and weeds- what a
sight for our citizens and visitors to behold when enjoying our
downtown?Lastly, how many in the city are property taxpayers vs.
non- property taxpayers?Might consider voting for these proposals ?
I wanted to take a moment to address a matter of great importance before you cast your
votes later this month for the golf course alternative. Upon reviewing the choices presented
by the City's Envision team, I was deeply upset by the sudden inclusion of a large housing area
on the only remaining undeveloped part of the golf course. This addition was never disclosed
to the public before and has now made its way into both final options. During previous
meetings, it was made clear that housing was not a part of the alternatives. At the last
gathering, a small section of housing on Redwood Street was unexpectedly introduced. To my
surprise, an additional 36 units have been incorporated into the final selection without any
community discussion. This decision goes against the principles of utilizing the property for
green and open space purposes. I find this behavior on your part to be highly questionable
and lacking in transparency. Initially, the city seemed committed to fostering open dialogue
regarding the golf course. I would like to see the City finish the housing attempts of the past
(Carmel building) before they start on new housing projects. I seriously question whether this
is an area that the city should be involved in.
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If housing is approved in the new location, it would destroy the largest natural habitat Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
on the golf course. There are significant challenges with the slope in building housing Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
as well as road access and zoning. Housing here would destroy the largest remaining planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
natural habitat on the property. The location consists of over 2 acres of densely
7/11/2023 wooded undergrowth with a wide variety of trees. This section is one of the few pieces
of mixed woodland in our entire city. Many varieties of birds are nesting and use it as a
habitat. There is a major walking trail that would be lost but if the space is retained
new trails could be added which was a request of the initial public input to preserve
and expand the natural habitat.
I understand there was no mention of housing as part of the alternatives. However, atthe last Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
meeting, a small section of housing on Redwood Street was unexpectedly introduced. All of a Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
sudden, an additional 36 units have been included in the final selection without any community planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you for sending your comments about Envision the Golf Course and Mountain View Commons. I have put
Thank you for sending your comments about Envision the Golf Course and Mountain View Commons. I have put
consultation. Moreover, it raises valid concerns about construction and traffic
implications. Where is the vision of maintaining green space in the middle ofthe town? I find
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this behavior on your partto be questionable and lacking in transparency. Initially, the city
showed a commitment to engaging in open discussions about the golf course. I am left
wondering what has caused this unfortunate shift in approach. I am terribly disappointed in the
addition of a large housing area on the one remaining undeveloped section of the golf course.
I'm disappointed both by the new plan and by your lack of disclosure. I am wondering why this
has happened.) would kindly urge you to reconsider the addition of the housing plan.
I have lived in Port Townsend for 25 years and I have never been on the golf course. I would
really appreciate having a central park in my neighborhood. I rarely see golfers on the
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course. It's mainly not used. I live two blocks away and see it often. Thank you for your
support.
that many golf course proponents are writing letters to the editor and showing up at
meetings, and I do want you to know that most people I know have other views. I am not
against golfing, my son was on the golf team and I do believe that we should have access to
many activities here. I'm not a swimmer, but support having a pool, especially as the nearest
one is Sequin. I don't use dog parks, but appreciate that many folks do. I no longer have kids
that use play equipment, but I'm happyto see those full. And I don't use basketball courts,
tennis courts or pickle ball courts but see many residents enjoying those. The golf course
feels different to me, as I drive or walk by the 58 acres often and see, on average, one person
per 50 acres. This is also reflected in the course use docs and fees paid to the city bythe
contractor. Land use wise, this seems like a wasted opportunity. I am certain that any other
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use would provide more use to more people. The problem with golf is that as long as it is
allowed, no one can safely walk on the course property or use it in another way. The golfers
have signs that say we should preserve the Open Space. I completely agree that it should be
open space. However, the clear lack of usage shows that it is not in fact Open space, it is
Closed to most residents. I know as humans we are more afraid of losing something than we
are excited about what we can gain, so I am not surprised by the fervor of the golfers to
preserve their access to an activity even if most of them rarely use it. There is another course
just a few miles away. Golfing is not as popular as it once was, and I believe that the
percentage of folks in town golfing will continue to decline overtime. If for some reason you
continue a lease with the golf course, I'd recommend it be short as the use and profitability
make it seem like it won't last long on it's own. I really appreciate that you are considering
options that will make that space used by more of the town.
Thank you for sending your comments about Envision the Golf Course and Mountain View Commons. I have put
Thank you for sending your comments about Envision the Golf Course and Mountain View Commons. I have put
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7/14/2023
stakeholder meetings, town forums, open houses and council meetings. I have
listened and tried to understand why a 100 -year-old piece of our history and sweet
gem in our midst is up for "re -envisioning". I participated in the 2020 "survey" but
chose not to submit as I realized all answers had no option for keeping the golf course.
That was slanted. Here we are today with the buzz term "re -envisioning" and to what
end may I ask?This town has been built by generations that raised their families here,
worked in the community, contributed countless volunteer hours including planting
the iconic poplar trees that, like the golf course, are being re -envisioned. It is dismissive
of our history to attempt to be rid of them. We have growing pains like any other
community and must work together collectively, as Port Townsend always has, to
solve these issues. I don't believe getting rid of the golf course is the answer. We are
slowly losing our soul in the name of progress.At best, I believe a hybrid golf course
would be a compromise. Please consider Robert Horner's input to the hybrid golf
course plan which includes income-producing opportunities while maintaining the
integrity of the game of golf . It would also extend possibilities to future public
venues.) applaud the Stakeholders who have had the difficult and time-consuming task
of attempting to interpret, protect and recommend a suitable solution to this
controversial and divisive issue. I trust the City Council can come to some resolution
that reflects the history and uniqueness of the community of Port Townsend and its
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These are my thoughts on the decision being made July 17th by the city on the future of
the golf course. Two choices are being presented by the hired consultant and the
stakeholders committee. One plan keeps a compromised course that would most certainly
doom golf, eliminating the driving range and shortening several holes. It seems this plan
has given no consideration to income derived with proper management, maintenance, and
promotion. A main concern has been the use of water. A new well has reduced costs by 75
percent.There is an alternate hybrid plan by Robert Horner that addresses almost all of the
interests of both the non -golfing community and our many local golfers. It keeps our little
gem of a course, designed by a renowned golf course planner in the 1920s that remains a
respected layout to this day. Mr. Horner's plan is currently not being considered. This is a
shame, it could be a win-win for everyone.ln recent years the course has suffered from
benign neglect by the city. Most serious golfers have become discouraged by the poor
current conditions. If the city could offer a decent lease it could once again become the
asset it has historically been. This is one of the few courses where beginners, kids, the high
school golf team, and people of limited means can enjoy a healthy walk while playing a fun
and challenging game with family and friends.Come out, hit some range balls, have a cold
beverage and maybe lunch. Please join me in imploring the city to put off making a
decision on Julv 17 without seriously considennR all of the options. Our historic Rolf course
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while you are also dealing with decisions on the pool, our transportation needs, our limited
tax base, and most importantly to me, our affordable housing crisis. I have filled out the
survey, attended public meetings, discussed this issue with neighbors and friends, and spent
time thinking about the future of this amazing resource in our community. I know you have
heard from many golf course fans and I don't doubt their enthusiasm but I do believe that the
golf course serves an extremely small percentage of our population and is not deserving of a
city subsidy when we have so many other emergent and unmet needs. I think the energy of
the gold course proponents is inversely proportional to their support in the general
population. They are defending an existing program. Other folks in the community have not
been ignited by a compelling vision of what might happen and therefore are not engaged in
the discussion. I am very supportive of open space and parks. But I believe we are already
well served with open space and parks. My biggest volunteer involvement in our community
is accessible and affordable housing for all, especially our workforce. I know it is late in
the game but just yesterday I learned of an amazing "life plan" community in Pierce County
that provides housing for seniors ranging from independent houses to nursing home care. It is
built on an old golf course! Panorama is run by a non-profit and is self-governing so it is not
corporate. I am sure it is not "affordable" but it is an amazing model of a housing opportunity
for our senior community which could free up other existing housing in our community for
our workforce. There are at least 4 Jefferson County residents who moved there to Panorama
"age in place" because there was not an opportunity to do so locally. What if we could
establish a similar program here? Perhaps people who live in our community could agree to
sell their existing homes at an affordable rate to someone within our local workforce or a
local employer and in response get bumped up on the waiting list for this senior
community? I don't want to hijack the decision process on the golf course at this late date but
I wanted to insert this model into the discussion so you can see how a golf course in Pierce
County which was no longer sustainable was used creatively to meet a huge unmet need that
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link to the website - https://wwwpanorama.o rg/about/ and below is the description of the
idea from their website. Again, thanks so much for your work on this and so many other
essential issues for our community. I apologize for presenting this so late in the process but
just learned of it yesterday. Part of the reason I have not been more involved in the
discussion is because I couldn't really fathom an inspiring option myself. I am not enamored
of any of the alternatives that have yet been presented for the golf course but ask you to
please consider an innovative approach to this amazing piece of property that is so central to
our city and could be used to meet unmet needs. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for
Port Townsend. Again, thank you for your hard work and leadership! With gratitude and
optimism,
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Considering the revenue aspect of keeping the Golf Course, I've come up with these facts.A'modified'
Golf Course (as in Robert Horner's Concept) would generate income by: 1.D riving Range w/ Seasonal
Concert Venue 2. Putt Putt Course 3.arger Restaurant/Taproom/Event Space for Comm unity4. The Golf
Course Lease from the City itself (percentage of profit?)S. Even without using Robert Horner's plan, 3 out
of 4 of those amenities will still produce revenue.(I like Horner's plan, but, without the boardwalk, and
with a dog park incorporated somew he re?)The well use has only just begun to being incorporated on the
property. The subsidy expense that the City has been paying for 100 years now will be greatly reduced by
using this well.As Tim Caldwell pointed out at the Stakeholder's meeting, initial prioritized renovation
expenses wouldn't cost the City nearly as much as the big number being thrown around by out of town
consultants. And, as Carrie pointed out, grant $$ would be available for the cart/pedestrian trail
renovations and some of the other amenities. Some assertive promotion of the course and it's lovely lit'
restaurant/bar on the part of new management and the City could greatly help the course's utilization
and revenues.Without that ill-conceived idea of the newly proposed row of houses along Walker St., the
dog park could be moved over to that area to keep the driving range. Even if the dog park stays where
proposed, the balls of the driving range are hit in the opposite direction from where any amenities would
be to the south lAs for another huge park being created (Central Park), the City has made it clear that $$
for our Parks isn't enough to maintain what we already have and will need to start depending on a
concerted effort to rally volunteers and donors to to maintain our Parks and various City properties and
roadsides as is. The MPD and other tax $$ that will be asked of our voters will mainly be going towards
developing our Mt. View pool and community amenities asked for. Also, it barely includes any income
generating amenities. The Hybrid Option (with some modifications) meets most of the 'Criteria' agendas
composed by the Stakeholders from the Set -So. It'd be a shame to have THIS particular administration and
Council be the ones to lose our Historic Golf Course that the City has been able to maintain and hold onto
for over 100 years without brea king it's bank. That would be quite the'legacy' to tell your grandkids
about 20 years from now when Golf becomes the happening thing to do again! Please, choose the Hybrid
Plan, consider incorporating Horner's design to keep driving range and 2 holes where they're at, lose the
boardwalk, lose the community garden, lose the 'additional' housing beyond the noHire rn'zoned for
housing' parcel with proposed 6 units. add a dog park. Hybrid is the only compromising middle ground
option available.
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portion of the golf course, you acknowledged not knowing about the community garden next
to Quimper Grange, which is or was seeking additional participants. While I don't know the
up-to-the-minute status of that, I do continue to question that there is a true need for
community garden space situated on the existing golf course acreage.Here is a website that
comprehensively describes the local community garden availability: httPs:H12020.org/local-
food/community-gardens/I think that it's always better to not have an 'excess' of community
garden space because:—turnover at community gardens is a given—usage is cyclic: at times
the demand is greater and at other times, contracting; unused garden space still requires
maintenance lest weeds gain a foothold—quality of the soil is always a first consideration;
siting new gardens begins with choosing a location(s) that inherently provide(s) fertility.Most
of the golf course property is Class VI soil, particularly toward the more southern portion. It's
possible that the Eighties version of community gardening on the property ultimately failed
because of low fertility that required constant inputs of organic matter—a cost in terms of
material and Iabor.l urge that you investigate the usage status of existing gardens prior to
proposing to site garden(s) on the property. Likewise, I suggest some study of municipal
propert(ies) that might be on more fertile soil. Obviously, too, the more that community
gardens are close to residences, the less traffic is generated and the less need for single -use
parking near gardens.lt appears that the existing central dog park could well be pushed off
Mountain View campus and thus gets relocated to the 19th/San Juan intersection with its
own parking area. If that happens, it need not displace golf fairways or driving range; having
looked carefully at that corner and confirmed by Tim Caldwell, I see that there are around
two acres there and I think only one fairway need be shortened about 40 yards to
accommodate a dog park. If that siting works for a future dog park, and if community
gardening is better provided elsewhere, then what I think of as a desirable
outcome—keeping the golf course essentially intact—is very possible and affordable. I hope
to see the golf course continued with a new contract for up to ten years (as some have
nctnril anri thiic finri Hilt if thn oa ma is nninvino a m nctnari of f—i-I—ino nn thn
already occurring below the clubhouse.) think the potential for conflict over possible closure
of the course is very negative for social relations in the community. With siting for dog
park/garden areas addressed as above, along with public access as already identified as
acceptable to the golfing community via safe paths, daylong closures, etc., there can be a
critical path toward resolving issues without entire constituencies becoming more
disaffected.You may share this as appropriate with anyone.
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ra we approach the date you Will oe vonng to cnoose an alternative for the gory course, I must snare my
frustration regarding the choices presented by the City's Envision team. I'm deeply disappointed by the
addition of e large housing area on the one remaining undeveloped section of the golf course, which you
never previously discussed with the public. Both final options now incorporate this housing development,
leaving no consideration for green space. I'm disappointed both bythe new plan and by your lack of
disclosure. During previous meetings, it was explicitly stated that housing was not part of the
alternatives. However, at the last meeting, a small section of housing on Redwood Street was
unexpectedly introduced. All of a sudden, an additional 36 units have been included in the
final selection without any community consultation. Moreover, it raises valid concerns about
construction and traffic implications. Where is the vision of maintaining green space in the
middle of the town? I find this behavior on your part to be questionable and lacking in
transparency. Initially, the city showed a commitment to engaging in open discussions about
the golf course. I am left wondering what has caused this unfortunate shift in
approach.Because in a Demacratic Society, which We live in, when the residents of Port
Townsend are asked to put yet another tax on Our already overtaxed Home, the proper way
to accept or deny any new tax should be a simple yes or no. But, when both proposals
include a hastily added apartment complex, without Public discussion, this is not the
Demacratic way. It shows to Me that the Council wants the final decision to be a vote of the
Council, not the Public. As a Resident of Redwood St, I have a first hand view of how many
residents use the trail to stay off the busy Cherry St. And, the wild life that inhabit the trail
and other parts of Town,are a quickly vanishing sight,with all the clearings that are going on in
Our Town. I think that other proposals like a path around the Golf Course { ill conceaved due
to the liability of a Person getting hit by a golf ball ] and a new pool, which would add yet
another tax,should require more Public discussion, without any last minute additions, to
reflect the real will of the Public.l think that an updated and maintained Golf Course, with
perhaps including the Hotels/Motels in a Golf package, promoted by the City, would bring
many Tourests to Town to spread Thier dollars and offset the expense of upgrading the Golf
Course. Whatever the outcome of the proposals that are basing discussed now are done, I
when We don't have the funds to maintain the ones that We have now, To build a new pool,
and add to Our overtaxed Homes, to build buildings in undesirable areas and eliminate green
areas, there surely hasto be otherareas in Our Cityto accomplishthese plans, even in other
areas of the Golf Course and Mountain View plats,perhaps. As a resident of Port Townsend
since 1979, I have seen much growth in many positive ways. I respectfully ask Your
consideration to rethink these proposals and come up with another approach, with Public
input,so that We can continue to grow in a positive way.
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planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
This Envision team has done a good job of reaching out to the community and gathering Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
public public input. Now the City Council has the difficult job of deciding what to do next. I Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
am a golfer and I do agree that there needs to be more public access to the golf course and planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
the and the open spaces around the course. There are no quick fixes but I believe that the
golf course could be some type of an anchor business while additional uses for the property
are being considered. The last four years has been a difficult time for all of us but maybe a
project like this would bring the community closer. I am an optimist. Thankyou.
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As a full time resident of Port Townsend, I'm very committed to a sustainable future. The large tract of
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
land currently used for a municipal golf course should be dedicated to the greatest public benefit for
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
those who live andvisit here. While I can appreciatethe passion ofthose who enjoy golfing, it is a leisure
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
pursuit for the relatively privileged few, who can dedicate the time and resources necessary to
participate. Golf excludes the non -golfing public, and requires managing this "open space' in an artificial
and resource -intensive way, requiring water, fertilizer and mowing. These are financial and ecological
costs. Moreover, the trend is towards declining participation in this pursuit, and many public agencies
have moved to other public uses of these large tracts of land.) support the Central Park concept, with
community gathering spaces, native plantings and trails. And the perimeter areas already zoned for
residential housing should be developed for affordable housing desperately needed in our community. As
someone who frequently walks and bikes around town for transportation in lieu of using a vehicle, I can
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say unequivocally that this part of town needs good pedestrian and biking access. It is not a luxury, but a
necessity. Continuing the bike trail across F Street through the current golf course to connect to the
Mountain View campus is crucial, as the current alternative that uses Redwood to Cherry St is not usable
by many bikers due to its slope and difficulty.The golf course supporters attempt to point to other uses
such as pickleball courts and the swimming pool as showing that the City should continue to support the
golf course. However, pickleball uses a small amount of space, and swimming is a lifesaving skill that
everyone needs to have. No one has died from not knowing howto golf, but they sure have died from not
knowing howto swim. Golf simply requires too much space and too many resources for a small city to
continue to maintain publicly.ln conclusion, your decision on this important issue will have long lasting
consequences for generations to come and the future of our city. Whatever you decide will disappoint
me people, so I encourage you to do make the most reasoned decision to support the biggest public
benefit, that of implementing the Central Park option.Thank you for considering my comments.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
The golf course planning process has had "affordable housing" as a goal throughout, but has
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
yet to make any perceptible effort at addressing its needs. The latest sketch proposal puts an
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
indeterminate amount in an area that is both a wetland buffer and an earthquake hazard
zone with severely limited access, making no mention of utility capacities or access to public
transportation. We can do better, and should have a viable plan before approving the
proposal.Can electric power be provided without too much difficulty (a substation at most)?
Do water mains have sufficient capacity? Does the sewage line on Redwood (uphill from the
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community) have anywhere near the needed capacity? Can a shipyard worker get to Boat
Haven't at 5 AM, or a restaurant worker home at 2?Access to the area is limited to the north
by occupied properties, and to the west and south by wetlands. Redwood Street, to the east,
is a lane -and -a -half road not designed to support traffic for the proposed community. Both
Redwood and Beech Streets provide access to F Street, but both have terrible sightlines
limited by the terrain coming down the hill from Cherry Street. The only other outlet, E Street
to Cherry, is similarly blind to the north. D Street and Beech Street south of E Street are
owner -maintained, which puts an extra financial burden on a handful of taxpayers.We
support affordable housing, but we fail to see any plan here.
Please save our town's only golf course. Golf is a great way to get some exercise and fresh air.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
For many, golf is one's primary connection to the outdoors and fitness.Golf is many people's
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
social outlet. Golf can be played by any age group.Golf requires a lot of focus and can be quite
Planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
meditative.Golf teaches discipline, humility and respect among other valuable Iessons.Golf
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courses are class rooms for future players and local youth teams.Golf courses attract locals
and tourists alike who pay to play.Golf courses provide jobs.Golf is a wonderful game that
makes many people happy. It takes a lifetime to learn which makes golfers a devoted bunch.
Small towns need more options for activities, not less. Our kids need more options for
activities, not Iess.1 ask you to please save our golf course. It is the only one we have.
As and active member of the Jefferson County Historical Society for 40 years, I strongly
encourage you to h onor historic design and construction by selecting Robert Horner's
alternative plan for the golf course; it preserves that original design while also
7/16/2023 accommodating the expressed wishes of our community, golfers and non-golfers.We must
also consider the modest cost of implementing Mr. Horner's plan. comparatively.A mandatory
time -line for completion of the planning process should not prevent the serious consideration
that this alternative concept deserves.
The efforts to turn the golf course into a Central Park are bewildering to me. The added
7/16/2023 expense to transition and maintain a park must be significant for just a percentage of the
population to use. Yet, our roads, which everyone use, go unmaintained and arguably unsafe
to use. Where are your priorities and allegiances? Hmmmm?
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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the golf course as a regulation nine hole course and add other options for community use Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
including public trails, a community garden, and hosting outdoor entertainment like concerts. planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
As an avid golfer who plays the course on a regular basis I question some of the public
comments made during open house events that the number of rounds played averages one
golfer per hour based on the total number of golfers I encounter during a three-hour round
or a local tournament. believe it continuing to have a contractor operate and maintain the
7/16/2023 course with minimal financial support from the city is a more financially sound choice over
the long term than the cost of converting these 58 acres into a central park and maintaining
it. The city already has plenty of parks and open spaces available for public use and
maintaining them is enough of a challenge without the added cost of additional staff and
other resources that a central park would require. The course can continue to offer more
affordable golf than other courses in the area and is a great place to learn to play for local
residents of all age groups.Lets preserve this piece of local history that dates back over a
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I do not emry the City Council, now faced with the need to make a decision about the City's path forward
on the future of our golf course while the public remains divided and the stakeholder group has faded to
each consensus regarding which oftwo concepts to recumuend.I am baffled that frill the first round of
public outreach, where the #1 and #2 preferences were for walkinoiking trails and habitat restoraton and
the first notate survey results showed a plurality for alternative uses for the golf course, we arrived at a
situation where a hybrid golf course requiring two thirds ofthe acreage seerus to be the favored
alternative. I don't believe that the many members ofthe public who were willing to support a hybrid golf
understood that space for use by the general public would be so limited. Reading the Agenda Bill
for this
s meeting has been dismaying, especially David Hein's analysis, which indicates just how badly our
golf course has been managed. Even avid fans of having a golf course are critical ofthe lessee. The
current lease expires at the end ofthis year, and I've heard many questions about what happens next Do
really believe that requiring any future lessee to share the acreage with other uses and to endure the
we
oftwo fairways will elicit a proposal by a more competent lessee? Despite all our sunk- costs
and time. I would prefer to see the City "kick the can down the road" and issue an RFP for 2024 based on
the reconunendations of David Hein.. which seern in many ways realistic—certainly far more realistic than
the National Golf Fmmdation recommendations. It appears to me that the city's subsidy following his
reconnuendations would be less than either ofthe two concepts you are presented with today. RCO grants
and heavy subsidies from the city would apparently be required for either of there. What if we don't
receive the necessary grant fun
ding? My proviso is that, in line with suggestions made by David Hein, the
otion ofthe Parks. Recreaton. Trees. Trails Advisory Board. and the coiunents of many. many
embers ofthe public, any lessee musthave an operational requirement to (1) clarify and enforce hours
for golfing, (2) provide times car days for public access, and (3) provide signage and other communication
so that the members ofthe public know when and where they may have access to the golf course. I would
like to see these provisos to be incorporated into any RFP for a hybrid golf course, if that is the council's
choice. The Healthier Together exploration and the City's financial sustainability study are both bringing
up various taxing possibilities. Will the public support a Metropolitan Parks District? Could that District
provide local finding to match RCO grants? A lot remains to be seen. It seems premature to charge
ahead into a golf course future on while consensus is too weak, when so much city subsidy will be
required.
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Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
The Envision Golf Course Preferred Options are not ready for consideration for a vote. The 2 Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
options are being presented without costs attached and with additional housing that was planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
never presented to the public as an option but added after the public input and voting had
been completed. The additional 27 homes listed on both Preferred Plans cannot be built on
the site as the land is not currently zoned for housing. Furthermore, more research needs to
be done to see if the zoning can be changed due to a stipulation that was made when the
land was donated to the city. There are additional questions that I have not seen addressed
such as: 1. How would these homes be managed as affordable housing?2. Would they be
sold to individuals?3. How would the City guarantee that they would remain affordable
housing?
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
I would just like to emphasize the shifts taking place in our town. When we consider future Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
personal growth for residence and long term use for our community the individuals most planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
impacted by a potential Central Park are our children which is a very rapidly growing
population in Port Townsend. This fact mixed with the already limited potential for family
7/14/2023 activities and access to things like a family friendly swimming pool, indoor recreational
activities and zoning rules/restrictions on land use, the golf course becoming a Central Park
becomes so much more impactful to the current population and future population. Where
else could we ever have something like this in ourtown!? We truly hope that we don't miss
out on the potential for a place that families and people of all ages can gather and experience
community together and the positive long term impact it could have on Port Townsend.
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I would like to comment in favor ofthe Central Park option forthe future ofthe golf course. Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
This option would best support the wishes ofthe community as well as the environment and Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
would take Port Townsend one step closer to being a truly family friendly and planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
7/14/2023 environmentally responsible community. While the hybrid option seems like a compromise,
in fact it leaves far too many community resources invested in golf, which is used by relatively
few community members. Please keep in mind that Port Townsend should be enjoyed by all
residents, not just the retirees or summer vacationers. Let's make a decision that we will be
proud of and will serve future generations well!
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Please consider the following when deciding/voting on the future of the golf course
property.) was surprised to learn there are two "preferred alternative " plans for the golf
course site other than the 3 plans I heard about at the public meetings. Both "preferred
alternative " plans call for a 36 housing unit in addition to the 6 mentioned at the public
meetings.We were told at the meetings that the golf course land is designated as municipal
but had an area where 6 housing units could be built.Why, at the eleventh hour were 36
additional units included? Who came up with the "preferred alternative " plans? Certainly not
the voting public.Once you turn open space into housing you can never get it back. I am
always thankful when our elected leaders have the foresight to designate land as open space.
Please consider what the people of Port Townsend want and what they voted for at the
meetings.
As a full time resident of Port Townsend, I'm very committed to a sustainable future. The
large tract of land currently used for a municipal golf course should be dedicated to the
greatest public benefit forthose who live and visit here. Golfing is a leisure pursuit for the
relatively privileged few. This Golf course excludes the non -golfing public yet our tax dollars
support it, and requires manageing an artificial and resource -intensive way, requiring water,
fertilizer and mowing. These are financial and ecological costs. Moreover, the trend is
towards declining participation in this pursuit, and many public agencies have moved to other
public uses of these large tracts of land. I support the Central Park concept, with community
gathering spaces, native plantings and trails. And the perimeter areas already zoned for
residential housing should be developed for affordable housing desperately needed in our
community. As someone who frequently walks and bikes around town for transportation in
lieu of using a vehicle, I can say unequivocally that this part of town needs good pedestrian
and biking access. It is not a luxury, but a necessity. Continuing the bike trail across F Street
through the current golf course to connect to the Mountain View campus is crucial, as the
current alternative that uses Redwood to Cherry St is not usable by many bikers due to its
slope and difficulty.ln conclusion, your decision on this important issue will have long lasting
consequences for generations to come and the future of our city. Whateveryou decide will
disappoint some people, so I encourage you to do make the most reasoned decision to
support the biggest public benefit, that of implementing the Central Park option.Thank you
for considering my comments.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
724 7/17/2023 1 just wanted to know if the City followed any of the suggestions from the 2019 analysis by the Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
NGF? planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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The golf course planning process has had "affordable housing" as a goal throughout, but has
yet to make any perceptible effort at addressing its needs. The latest sketch proposal puts an
indeterminate amount in an area that is both a wetland buffer and an earthquake hazard
zone with severely limited access, making no mention of utility capacities or access to public
transportation. We can do better, and should have a viable plan before approving the
proposal. Can electric power be provided without too much difficulty (a substation at most)?
Do water mains have sufficient capacity? Does the sewage line on Redwood (uphill from the
community) have anywhere near the needed capacity? Can a shipyard worker get to Boat
Haven't at 5 AM, or a restaurant worker home at 2?Access to the area is limited to the north
by occupied properties, and to the west and south by wetlands. Redwood Street, to the east,
is a lane -and -a -half road not designed to support traffic for the proposed community. Both
Redwood and Beech Streets provide access to F Street, but both have terrible sightlines
limited by the terrain coming down the hill from Cherry Street. The only other outlet, E Street
to Cherry, is similarly blind to the north. D Street and Beech Street south of E Street are
owner -maintained, which puts an extra financial burden on a handful of taxpayers.We
support affordable housing, but we fail to see any plan here.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
My name Is Musa, I've been a citizen of Jetterson county since 19/S, 1 attended Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Ju mor High -the site of Mountain View Commons, and am a 1954 PTHS Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
graduate.l'm here because I'm alarmed at the lack of complete, transparent and planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
accurate information that has been presented by PT Staff to the council regarding
Envision and Mountain View Commons pool discussions. And these are the reasons
why I believe the council is in no position to make a decision regarding either of these
projects.,At the repeated request of several community participants throughout the
engage PT process, the project staff failed to make available an official "none of the
above" option at in person meetings and in online surveys.Result: there is no official
documentation or tally of citizens that wanted "none of the above"."neutral" is not
"none of the above" -At the repeated request of several community participants to
include a citizen designed alternative to the golf course proposals (central park or
hybrid), inclusion of this design, which addressed and solved many of the divisive
issues, was not allowed and denied consideration.Result: the city and committee lead
"community process" is selective in what it accepts, includes and presents to the rest of
thecommunity for consideration there by not enabling citizen lead problem solving and
empowerment.At the repeated request of several community participants there
remains no public availability of the comparative cost analysis officially listing the
current issues at the existing pool or the actual cost to fix what we already
have.Result: The public does not have complete information with which to make an
informed decision regarding the pool options- instead we've been told there are only
two options - one is 38million and the other is 53 million - both involve even more tax
burden on Jeff. Co. residents.During the process of "community participation"
presentation documents have lacked clear, consistent and pertinent information
regarding actual costs, actual design components, and accurate details of the financial
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I'm writing in regards to the proposed redevelopment of what is currently a golf course in the Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
middle of port townsend. Converting this site to a central park would dramatically improve Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
the well-being of local residents, allowing for actual open space (as opposed to it's current planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
7/17/2023 use, which effectively prohibits the general public from accessing the site unless golf is being
played). My kids and I live nearby, and it would be nice for us to have a local park to access.
Creating a central park will allow for much more ge nral use by my family and others, and will
be a great asset for the community.
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In the very last minutes of the very last Golf Course Stakeholders Meeting on July 6th,
a new 'modified' plan for the Central Park Option was brought up (Andy's Plan -
includes mini-golf/putt putt). An unofficial poll of the S members present in the room
out of 21 members voted to present this 'modified' option going forward to the Parks
Board and Councilmembers - not all S approved. In all fairness, there should have
been a poll, also, by Carrie and the Consultants to bring forward the 'modified' Hybrid
Plan - Robert Horner's Design, to the Parks Board and Councilmembers. All who have
learned of Horner's Hybrid option since it was presented (2 Stakeholder meetings ago
and at the Open House) thought it was the best Option they've seen so far, as it has so
much to offer in new amenities for the community, BUT, also keeps the historically
famous design of the Golf Course - which maintains the course's integrity instead of
reducing it's appeal. Even some stakeholder members pushing for Central Park said
they'd feel much more appeased by Horner's Hybrid Plan than the Consultant's Hybrid
Plan made up. It's an obvious WIN-WIN Plan. As was clearly stated by Carrie, the two
options made up (Hybrid/Central Park) are NOT set in stone. They are ONLY
'concepts'.Councilmembers have the power to ask the Consultants to adjust/modify
their Hybrid Plan to accommodate so much more of Horner's Plan - in spite of
Consultant Chris's statement that it's too late in the Master Planning Process to
consider Horner's modifications. Just as, it's in the Councilmembers' power to ask
Consultants to adjust/modify their own Central Park Plan to accommodate Andy's
Plan.Let's keep this fair` And please ... do NOT let the Aquatic Facility somehow slip
onto the Golf Course property at the very last minute for any kind of reason, what -so -
ever!!
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
I cannot tell you enough how many people I have talked to in our town who want the Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
golf course to left alone for its historical significance if nothing else, but mostly for planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
it's open space.. These people have not been to any of the meetings and are NOT
golfers themselves but love living in PT where we have so many historical treasures
such as this. One said to me "What if the same subject came up to replace our valued
treasures such as the Rothschild house or Chetzemoka park, for example?". The golf
course is as much a historical treasure as our many buildings and parks. Once it's gone.
It is gone for good.Please keep our precious golf course.
Donna Miller and Robert Hoppe, who live in Port Townsend and own the property located at
326 Q Street, and, as well, are active members of the Port Townsend Golf Course, believe that
repurposing the excellent existing golf course to a "central park" would be a huge mistake, for
the following reasons: (1) The golf course is viable now, and does not require the substantial
expensive improvements claimed by consultants for which the City has paid and committed
to pay substantial sums; (2) The "central park" contemplated by the City would be way too
7/17/2023 expensive to create and maintain, and, although, on paper, may seem an attractive
compromise for those who don't want a golf course, would offer little in the way of
enjoyment;(3) The City already has an extensive "public trail" system, as well as numerous
parks which the City needs to preserve and maintain. Further, Fort Warden State Park, with
extensive trails, and numerous activities, is located a short distance from the Port Townsend
Golf Course and is available to the people of Port Townsend; (4) The Golf Course, if preserved
with existing holes 5 and 6, and the driving range, is a valuable City asset, as it provides a
place for high school students to play and practice as well as host matches and tournaments.
Likewise, the City will be able to host tournaments and activities for older citizens, which
provide enjoyment and revenue. We urge the City Council to seriously consider the foregoing.
A small town of approximately 10,000 people can not afford these proposed massive
expenditures. A 50 million dollar pool complex and upwards of a 5 million dollar "Central
Park"? In a town where there isn't enough money to patch the potholes in the streets, and
mow the public verges? Where is the money coming from forthe construction of, and the on-
going upkeep to, these two large municipal entities after they are built? Yes, I am sure the
7/17/2023 City Council will try to get grants, but it is for sure that our property taxes will continue to
increase as well. We have lived here for 10 years and seen our water bill steadily increasing,
and our property taxes double. And that was before these massive projects. We moved to
Port Townsend because we liked the small town atmosphere. It seems like our current City
Council wants to turn Port Townsend into another Carmel -by -the -Sea. If so, then we will not
be able to afford to live here. Please stop this fever dream madness.
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Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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course!,Wh ile I'm not a golfer, I have long enjoyed the green space that our historic
golf course provides. It makes me happy! It also makes me happy to know that there
are so many people whose lives are enriched by using this treasure.The contribution of
entertainment and health that our historic golf course offers young people, families
and seniors, is immense. This multigenerational use supports the tenet of community
and should not be cast aside.) have followed this issue for a number of years. I have
attended online meetings, filled out surveys that did not follow "best practices", toured
the golf course and spoken with golfers. I was most moved though by the public
comments given during the July 3rd City Council meeting where people gave so many
heartfelt comments. While I was aware of the significance that the golf course offers
our community members, I had no idea of the depth.One comment in particular was
the mom who addressed the issue of kids (as well as others) that would have to
commute to Discovery Bay or Poulsbo. It is absolutely unacceptable for our kids to be
forced to travel such distances. Why on earth would we make decisions that would
force our kids to leave the community, generate carbon (which we are supposed to
reduce), as well as increase the time spent on the dangerous roadways?The
Machiavellian approach the City has taken with this issue is abysmal. It has needlessly
created a contentious environment causing angst among so many people that the
course was up for grabs. It was obvious from the beginning that the City was chomping
at the bit to eliminate and/or parcel out the course.The challenges with the golf course
are "figureoutable", especially now with the hybrid plan. There are simple solutions to
address costs, like rain barrels and solar, just to name a few. We have an amazing
community of super smart people that are certainly more than capable of addressing
the City's concerns.We don't need a divisive and disingenuous approach, especially
t land that Peon
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To To a viable go�� course, you need a driving range. Putting a dog park in that
space makes no sense. The driving range area is not the only space in the city of
Port Townsend where a dog park could be located - as demonstrated by the central
park design, which does not contain a dog park. The central park has an
amphitheater in that space. Robert Horner's plan shows how an amphitheater and
driving range are compatible uses.
I sat in and watched via webinarthe City Council meeting of July 17. Here are a few
comments regarding the discussion about the plans forthe golf course.Because of the
pandemic, the sport of golf has experienced an unprecedented boom in popularity, with
participation (by beginners, youth, senior citizens, and people of all races and genders)
increasing by upward of 30%, nearly an all-time historical high. You need only look at statistics
provided by the National Golf Foundation to see this. That the Port Townsend Golf Course has
not benefited from this boom as much as other courses across the state is due most likely to
mismanagement and poor marketing.The decision to get the opinions of teenagers (high
school students) about what to do with the golf course property is questionable. The vision
and values of a teenager will be much different 15 years from now, after they become adults
and get some life experience. Oki Golf has a poor reputation in the region as a golf course
management company. You need only look at any online review program (Yelp, Facebook
groups, etc.) to see this. Their business model is that of reducing the role of the golf pro,
reducing the budget for maintenance and upkeep, and churn/burn through staff. There were
other golf management experts in the region that maybe should have been considered for
consultation.
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Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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Having attended City Council meetings in Port Townsend for over forty years did not prepare
me for the confusing conclusion to the meeting and late-night vete(s) .1 am yet disturbed by
what might be thought of as manipulation during the proceedings and am hoping you can
provide your legal perspective.After the meeting exceeded four hours and many citizens left
and/or probably stopped watching or listening at home, could the remainder of the meeting
been postponed? Is there precedent for such?Soon after a Council member left the meeting
because of the late hour, motions were made and voted on. Considering the importance of
those motions to the community, was this acceptable process?Can or does the Mayor's
position, literally and figuratively, allow him or her to influence decisions? Sway the outcome
of a vote?I listened carefully and tried to grasp the meaning of those two final motions and
hear the vote but, as yet, I don't know the wording of either of those motions or, the
outcome of the second vote. Was the Council sure of the precise wording of either?There
may be no legal response to my questions, however, I doubt I am the only citizen who has
been left... wondering.
Based on revelations in Monday night's Council meeting charged with making a decision on
the golf course, my worst fear was realized. It is now clear, in my opinion, that the fix was in
from the very beginning of the engagement process overthe past several months.The first
hint that the process had been a hoax was the addition of housing along the east end of the
Course outside the fairway. Done with no prior public involvement, and no consideration by
the stakeholder's, the options for the course had been arbitrarily increased outside the
established process by the consultants -in my opinion, at the direction of the Mayor, City
manager and possibly certain council members. However, the most damming evidence that
the entire process had been a hoax came at the eleventh hour of the discussion when Mayor
Faber declared (recommended) to the Council that the 5th fairway should also be used for
"affordable" housing. His recommendation came with absolutely no prior discussion by any
of the parties involved in the process. With that statement, I believe there was no longer
any doubt that the Mayor, City Manager, and possibly certain real estate interests had
colluded all along to use a month's long, convoluted, extremely complex process to lull the
public into thinking they could expect an unbiased decision for the future of the Course. It is
now quite obvious why the "more housing" opinion of a few 17 year olds at the High school
was hyped so much. They needed some group to push for housing since the stakeholders
would not. And, the idea that housing on the Course would be "affordable" is laughable.
Even if the City gave the land away to developers (possibly illegal), the cost of any house on
that property would be well beyond the reach of those who need an inexpensive house. Did
Mr.Faber actually think no one would notice? Well, it was noticed. For me, the Council has
lost all credibility. The whole thing is utterly shameful.
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Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
7/14/2023
These are my thoughts on the decision being made July 17th by the city on the
future of the golf course. Two choices are being presented by the hired consultant
and the stakeholders committee. One plan keeps a compromised course that would
most certainly doom golf, eliminating the driving range and shortening several
holes. It seems this plan has given no consideration to income derived with proper
management, maintenance, and promotion. A main concern has been the use of
water. A new well has reduced costs by 75 percent.There is an alternate hybrid plan
by Robert Horner that addresses almost all of the interests of both the non -golfing
community and our many local golfers. It keeps our little gem of a course, designed
by a renowned golf course planner in the 1920s that remains a respected layout to
this day. Mr. Horner's plan is currently not being considered. This is a shame, it
could be a win-win for everyone.In recent years the course has suffered from
benign neglect by the city. Most serious golfers have become discouraged by the
poor current conditions. If the city could offer a decent lease it could once again
become the asset it has historically been. This is one of the few courses where
beginners, kids, the high school golf team, and people of limited means can enjoy a
healthy walk while playing a fun and challenging game with family and
friends.Come out, hit some range balls, have a cold beverage and maybe lunch.
Please join me in imploring the city to put off malting a decision on July 17 without
seriously considering all of the options. Our historic golf course is too valuable to
carve away.
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7/20/2023
I he golt course survey that was suggested In the PUN today was not available
which sent me to an unusable site. Here are my responses to any further money
being funneled into the golf course and other proposals.We have a wonderful
senior /community center in uptown. It needs to be fully developed such as the
Shipley Center in Sequim- with activities for all ages.We have free access to Fort
Worden Park, the Uptown Park, the Water Street Park (across from the Legion),
the play park on Cherry Street, the Chetzemoka Park, the North Beach Park, the
Sather Park, the skate board park, the Mt. View area, and I am sure other park
areas-- I guess what I am saying is that WE DO NOT NEED ANY MORE
PARKS. The city won't take care of road or the property alongside them. I think
they said it was the property owners' responsibility how can they afford another
expense? Or I should say can we/I (as taxpayers) afford another expense? Upgrade the pool
and area. What percentage of users vs. pop ulation?Thin king that if 150 people voiced their
want of a golf course- what percentage is that of the total population of PT? Minuscule
percentage! Why hasn't a vote of the people been proposed? And of those how many were
actual golfers? Keep the Police in the Mt. View Commons building and upgrade.
How many 100 -year-old buildings are still standing? For instance, our City Hall/
Library?The City wants affordability for the working class- you can't expect that
with the tax increases you are proposing.Sell the city owned land to private
enterprise to pay for these upgrades. Have the city (whatever
department) clean up those triangle drain areas around town -
blackberries and weeds- what a sight for our citizens and visitors
to behold when enjoying our downtown?Lastly, how many in the
city are property taxpayers vs. non- property taxpayers?Might
consider voting for these proposals ?
I appreciate you opening up and communicating with the community. I respect your work
tremendously but this one I don't understand.. if the community is split, as seen in the pie
charts from surveys, and most people don't even care either way.. why remove the historical
golf course? Right after it finally got well -water and the city subsidies would be minimal. It
would probably cost more to mow it for wildfires prevention privately. It could turn into a
major wildfire hazard in the center of town. "Golf is dead" is what you said. Did you look at
the data the city paid for and was presented? 50% of your community members wanted golf
either "as is".. or a hybrid option? To top it off, you had a 5 hr meeting where 40+ people
stayed long past their bedtimes to remind you of the importance and history of the golf
course. Your response: "golf is a dying sport"? Where is your community data to support
those remarks? In a community that has so MANY other projects and energy needing to be
spent, why even entertain this idea? I could see if the data had shown that 75% of the
community wanted the golf course gone, that might have given more weight to your remarks!
But it is not there yet. Just leave it as is and move on to the actual problems the community
cares about. In my mind, based on presented survey -based data, the council's determination
should have sounded more like this: "there's not enough community support to make any
changes and remove the 100 yr old historical golf course at this time."Let alone funding.. we
are all struggling Thanks for listening, I appreciate the opportunity to speak
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Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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put forward are flawed in the extreme, and lack focus and foresight. In the drive to satisfy
each of the competing factions clambering for a piece of the pie, the proposed hybrid
solutions present a hapless hodgepodge that will end up ruining a precious community asset
forever. As it sits today, the foremost feature of the golf course is that it is OPEN SPACE. It is
land still open to the sky, unencumbered for the most part by pavement and buildings,
untrammeled by cars and trucks, free from hustle and bustle of crowds and commerce. It is
still relatively wild, compared to the surrounding city. Consider how rare this actually is, OPEN
SPACE, and how valuable, increasingly desperately vital for our collective peace and sanity, as
well as for the creatures who must share the shrinking spaces still not given over to intensive
human use. Consider also how our children, and their children, will need OPEN SPACE to
support and refresh their lives. Do our current desires really rule, to the degree that we are
willing to forever commit to extracting more OPEN SPACE from the shrinking store? As long as
the golf course is one of the few remaining gems of OPEN SPACE remaining in our midst,
might we want to at least pause for real reflection and contemplation of the future, and
possibly postpone the decision for a generation or two? Can't we kick this particular can
down the road a piece, take a collective breath, and look for alternatives that would lessen
our impact on the our common home? I submit that the highest and best use of the golf
course property is to remain as OPEN SPACE. Whether the land is then devoted to golf, or
parkland, urban forest, or some other natural culture makes perfect sense, but to cover it
with pavement, aquatic center, parking lots, pickleball courts, housing, or any other intensive
use seems shortsighted and thoughtless, akin to a kind of cultural suicide. I have enjoyed
golfing at the Port Townsend Golf Course for three decades. I have spent many hundreds if
not thousands of hours there, in all seasons and weathers. I have seen and absorbed the
minor and major changes in the land, the trees, the condition of the course, the birds and
furry critters that dwell there. Owls, geese, quail, eagles, osprey, coyotes, fox and many more,
some rare, are resident and depend on the land for their lives. Migratory waterfowl stop for
food and rest on their journeys. I have bathed in the endlessly changing light, felt the sun and
I watched in full (via webinar) the City Council meeting of July 17. Toward the end of the
meeting, David Faber gave his personal opinion about what he saw as the decline of the game
of golf.Personal opinions or biases untethered from facts or statistics do not make for good
public policy or long-term planning in government. I am sending along some numbers from
Steve Mona, former CEO of the World Golf Foundation and the Golf Course Superintendents
Association, who is now the Director of Governance and Leadership for Club Benchmarking,
which gathers data to assist golf courses in planning for the future.ln the attached graphic,
you will see that golf is projected to experience a long and sustained period of growth at least
through 2050. The early -middle -age group (men and women in their 30s and 40s, a
demographic of which Faber is part of) will be the demographic responsible for the largest
growth in the game. This is also the demographic which makes up the majority of Port
Townsend and Jefferson County. As mentioned previously, it is no small step to dismiss the
cultural, social and historical heritage of Port Townsend. Planning for the city's social and
economic future, and for the quality of life of its residents, should be considered. Making the
city a welcoming place for a diverse population should also be considered. There are many
experts in the field that should be brought into your conversation, so that an informed
decision can be made. Thank you for consideration.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you for your email, Tom.
There has been, as you would expect, a discussion on NextDoor regarding the this week's
council meeting and the matter of the golf course property. One individual claims to have a
copy of a deed for a portion of the property that was gifted to the city with the stipulation
that it be used for "recreation or aviation only'. They did not post an image of the deed nor
mention the parcel number though looking at the Jeffco parcel viewer I see that there are
7/21/2023 three. I've not searched the public records base because last time I did it had images of docs
only going back a few years. Anyway, with apologies if this is a wild goose chase, I thought I
would offer a heads up. It would likely take a trip to the courthouse to view the deed and a
discussion with an attorney. Or maybe you guys already know about this issue/non-issue.
Also, if you think it is more appropriate that I communicate via the city portal and or email
Carrie or David directly please let me know. In any case with respect for everyone's time, I
intend to keep any such communication to a minimum.
Based on revelations in Monday night's Council meeting charged with making a decision on
the golf course, my worst fear was realized. It is now clear, in my opinion, that the fix was in
from the very beginning of the engagement process over the past several months.The first
hint that the process had been a hoax was the addition of housing along the east end of the
Course outside the fairway. Done with no prior public involvement, and no consideration by
the stakeholder's, the options for the course had been arbitrarily increased outside the
established process by the consultants -in my opinion, at the direction of the Mayor, City
manager and possibly certain council members. However, the most damming evidence that
the entire process had been a hoax came at the eleventh hour of the discussion when Mayor
Faber declared (recommended) to the Council that the 5th fairway should also be used for
7/19/2023 "affordable" housing. His recommendation came with absolutely no prior discussion by any
of the parties involved in the process. With that statement, I believe there was no longer
any doubt that the Mayor, City Manager, and possibly certain real estate interests had
colluded all along to use a month's long, convoluted, extremely complex process to lull the
public into thinking they could expect an unbiased decision for the future of the Course. Itis
now quite obvious why the "more housing" opinion of a few 17 year olds at the High school
was hyped so much. They needed some group to push for housing since the stakeholders
would not. And, the idea that housing on the Course would be "affordable" is laughable.
Even if the City gave the land away to developers (possibly illegal), the cost of any house on
that property would be well beyond the reach of those who need an inexpensive house. Did
Mr.Faber actually think no one would notice? Well, it was noticed. For me, the Council has
lost all credibility. The whole thing is utterly shameful.
I have been asked to share ideas that have not yet been considered by the stakeholders and
the public, but,because of the councils list on issues and the concerns expressed by many
community members, may now be worthy of consideration. The cost projections of the
envision project so far have people who pay taxes very worried. I understand that golfers are
not against having expanded native and prairie habitat or sharing the driving range with a
7/24/2023 summer concert venue or trails that intersect the property if placed in low-risk locations with
good liability signage, or making future plans to have a community event space and
remodeled restaurant/taproom. All these CAN co -exist with a golf course. One of the most
urgent concerns is housing for people who provide so many of the services tourists and
residents count on. I hope these suggested options will encourage more creative and
affordable planning, refreshed and forward thinking.
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The city did a deed search recently, and all of the deeds can be found under " "materials to review" labeled
"deed reports" on the website, www.cityofpt.us/envision. The restrictions on some of the parcels list "
municipal purposes only", there is a corresponding deed map. I have not seen any deeds that list aviation and
recreation as restrictions.
Thank you for your email, George. I understand your disappointment, even if I do not understand your
conspiracy theory. My proposal came in response to the stakeholder group's final discussion on an un -
fleshed -out design for a "hybrid" of the two mutually -exclusive plans they otherwise provided us with
this last Monday. We tasked staff to work with the stakeholder group to flesh out that concept and
provide us with a compromise plan that includes broader community amenities with a golf
component. We hope to see that plan in September or October for more discussion and action.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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Thank you for your email, Bob. The City engaged the public through a full variety of engagement
processes, from open houses, to public meetings of the Parks, Rec, Trees, and Trails Advisory
Please rethink this whole process. You are wading into deep water, and the public is very Committee, to the stakeholder meetings, to online and in-person surveys. This has been an attempt to
confused.Most importantly, the use of online surveys is both self-serving and self-defeating, reach and engage with as many people in our community as possible. As to balloting: our ballot system
745 7/22/2023 as should be obvious from last night's meeting.Many older citizens are not tech -savvy, but is not set up to allow for anything other than a binary "yes"/"no" option. Direct democracy is notably
have strong opinions nevertheless. If you truly want to know how we feel about this issue, bad at working through complicated decisions with multiple branch points and tradeoffs. Our very
put it on the November ballot -- with ALL options on the table.Thanks. representative system is designed to ensure there's a democratic process to electing people to
navigate those thorny issues. Are there different theories on this? Of course. But for better or worse,
it's what we have right now.
I do not believe any significant discussion of siting any city administrative facilities on the golf course
land has been discussed. My personal preference would likely be for a long-term plan to build up on
the Mountain View campus above the existing classroom building to facilitate future needs whenever
I'm just curious to know if anyone mentioned the additiobnal possibility of having a site along we start actively needing to engage in that step, but I would also not support spending the resources
746 7/19/2023 Blaine street for future city services/functions. Some of us are increasingly concerned about
now given the recent vintage of the city hall redesign and the decades before we are likely going to
the impacts of sea level rise that will eventually force the city to move some if not all of their have to go into managed -retreat mode from the current downtown location. But starting the planning
administrative offices from Water Street to higher ground. It might not be a bad idea to at process for that in the next decade may well be a thoughtful thing to do so that we have the best -
least carve out a potential spot and consider putting in some underground infrastructure
capacity while that work is being done. available options open to us when the time comes.
The council cannot approve spending $1 'million on golf course projects because "...is being Thank you for your email, Val. Regarding funding for the pool: any potential future funding will be put
used by a few hundred ...and the city is subsidizing... etc" (Wennstrom) but you want to spend on the ballot, but our voting system is only currently set up to offer simple, binary "yes"/"no" choices.
747 7/20/2022 more than 3X that for a pool and are willing to subsidize the cost for something even fewer We do not yet know what potential structure the possible future aquatic facility will take, but rest
than a hundred RESIDENTS use!! Where are your priorities?? Spend that money on street assured that whatever form it takes, the public will have a very clear opportunity to reject it by voting
improvements!! PS on the ballot to vote for pool- why won't you have an option of"none "no" on their ballot.
of the above" as suggested ??! Are you afraid that will be the majority choice??
I appreciate you opening up and communicating with the community. I respect your work
tremendously but this one I don't understand.. if the community is split, as seen in the pie
charts from surveys, and most people don't even care either way.. why remove the historical
golf course? Right after it finally got well -water and the city subsidies would be minimal. It
would probably cost more to mow it for wildfires prevention privately. It could turn into a
major wildfire hazard in the center of town. "Golf is dead" is what you said. Did you look at
the data the city paid for and was presented? 50% of your community members wanted golf
748 7/20/2023 either "as is".. or a hybrid option? To top it off, you had a 5 hr meeting where 40+ people
stayed long past their bedtimes to remind you of the importance and history of the golf
course. Your response: "golf is a dying sport"? Where is your community data to support
those remarks? In a communitythat has so MANY other projects and energy needing to be
spent, why even entertain this idea? I could see if the data had shown that 75%of the
community wanted the golf course gone, that might have given more weight to your remarks!
But it is not there yet. Just leave it as is and move on to the actual problems the community
cares about. In my mind, based on presented survey -based data, the council's determination
should have sounded more like this: "there's not enough community support to make any
changes and remove the 100 yr old historical golf course at this time."Let alone funding.. we
are all struggling Thanks for listening, I appreciate the opportunity to speak Kqq
Thank you for your email, Steve. This is a complicated process with many different factors that have to
be weighed. We have tasked staff to produce a "hybrid" of the two mutually -exclusive plans that were
presented to us on Monday and hope to have it back in front of us for more deliberation and action in
September or October.
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I attended the council meeting on July 17. It was apparent that all council members
along with many interested groups and individuals are concerned about housing,
possibly more than any other issue.The consultants propose to build housing on golf
course land where there is challenging topography and important wild habitat.
However, the Park, Tree and Open Space Committee understand the functions of this
habitat and have recommended against housing in this area, in part recognizing the
interests of the hundreds of birders in this town as well as the need for wildlife
corridors along with trails for humans. As proposed, a difficult building site for an
apartment complex in a quiet neighborhood of mostly single family upper end housing
that would require transportation, not just trails, to access town services, does not
meet the need for affordable and low income housing.A proposal: low and
affordable income housing. Mayor Faber at one point said housing should go on Blaine
St. where infrastructure and bus lines already exist. An alternative to the Hybrid and Horner
proposals would be to site apartments on the corner of Blaine and Kearny relocating the
Recyclery to the "community garden' corner of the golf course on 19th and San Juan at the
foot of the golf park. Currently the Recyclery is located on the old school tennis courts. This
subsidized non-profit is used by about 70 people each month during the season and it is in
need of a better building with bathrooms. Thank you for
I urge you to consider a six -hole golf course as the community seeks a compromise shared -use
solution for the golf course property. This suggestion was made at the beginning of this process
but was not pursued further. It was thought that it might not pencil out but in light of the quotes
below and the fact that it can be implemented with no up front capital costs, I feel it should be
looked at again.A simple google search of "6 hole golf course' provides numerous hits on this
subject. Here are a few examples.From an article entitled "Six hole golf: what do the architects
think? in "Golf Course Architecture: The Global Journal of Golf Design and
Development"https://www.golfcoursearchitecture.net/content/six-hole-got f -what -do -the -architects -
thinks few quotes:'In a recent interview with BBC Radio, European Tour chief executive Keith
Pettey highlighted that "people's time is so precious," and said "every golf course being built
needs to be six holes, six holes, six holes," allowing people to play a single loop before they go
to work'Frank Pont of Infinite Variety Golf Design noted that "Having the possibility to play six
holes will, in my opinion, get more people to try the game and continue playing golf. Also you
need less land to build six -hole courses on, so you could build them closer to metropolitan
areas."Lassi Pekka Tilander of Tilander Golf Design added "Six -hole golf is a great idea — not
only for tournaments but for golf in general."In a 2019 article in "Golf Business' Alistair Dunsmuir
reports: Phil Taylor, FPGA, is the founder of Pachesham Golf Centre in Surrey, which was
originally a nine -hole golf club. Two years ago it successfully converted to six holes. He quotes
Taylor stating "We converted our nine -hole course into a six -hole venue with no members — and
we're as busy as we ever were."https://www.thegolfbusiness.co.uk/2019/07/this-is-why-we-
converted-our-golf-club-into-a-six-hole-venue/That same Google search brought up a short
interview with Jack Nicklaus who notes that the sport of golf has lost a large portion of women
and youth players and he suggests that traditional rounds take too much time. He argues for
more 12 hole golf courses organized in groupings of 6
hol es. http s://www. stayhom ehusband. com/gol f-writing/a-case-for-why-golf-need s -m ore-12-hol e-
coursesl don't know if converting to a six hole course is right for PT. But in light of the above
comments, I think that it should be much more openly and thoroughly assessed than has
occurred thus far.lf golf was restricted to holes 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, and 9 of the current golf course, here
are some of the benefits that would resulLFreeing up the area currently occupied by holes 4, 5,
and 6 frees up approximately 15 acres for other uses.
Julie. We will have more discussion and action to come.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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This is more area for other uses than the current hybrid option developed by the City's consultant
and significantly more than the Pi R square option. I believe the majority of residents would see
this as a serious attempt at community compromise. Note that this does not exclude other
shared -use options such as designated times for disc golf or concerts on the driving range. This
retains the driving range, practice putting green and 1784 yards (men's tees) of standard golf (1
par 5, 2 par 3s and 3 par 4s).Replaying holes 1, 2, and 3 or 7, 8, and 9, perhaps with alternate
tees to provide different challenges, would permit 9 holes of play if desired. Removing 3 of 9
holes significantly reduces green and fairway maintenance and water needs. This may help
future operations pencil out.Freeing up 15 acres for other uses will greatly increase the
community's potential use of this area. Possibilities include: increased prairie, putt -putt course,
children's nature play, re -located dog park, community garden, re -located pickleball (perhaps
with sufficient courts to host tournaments).Absence of active golf on the 4th fairway will facilitate
development of a safe trail, more -or -less east -west across the course from San Juan to A
street.Significant area of land may also be set aside for future affordable housing development
after Evans Vista.Other activities will bring a wider spectrum of residents onto the site, exposing
non -golfers to golf and may ultimately lead to more interest in golf. Note that this can be
implemented with essentially no capital outlay. Continued golf activities on the 6 -hole facility
can go forward with the issuance of an RFP and successful contract. Other activities and
facilities can be developed as money becomes available through RCO grants or other sources.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
The golf course is an extravagance we cannot afford. But what is so aggravating about this is
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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that the so few golfers have been able to "usurp" the usage of this land, when it could benefit
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
all the residents of Port Townsend. Please do the right (and most economical) thing - shut it
down as a golf course and use the land productively to pay for itself.
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Please just keep this as a green space... the nine hole golf course would be nice as we do have
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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many golphers... but I don't see why it can't be more multiuse... just as long as it is kept as a
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
public green space. thank you
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Please keep the golf course as is. Thanks for listening.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Please keep the Golf Course as it is now
We can't imagine that anyone with foresight would give up the beauty and open space of the
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golf course. It is as special as our Victorian buildings and gives peace and space to many. From
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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the people seeing every day, to the sportsperson using the course/courts, to the occasional
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
visitor driving by. All benefit. Please don't give this up. Some things one never can recreate or
get back. Thank you for reading!
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To add to the earlier email. Port Townsend is a jewel in our state, worthy of staying that way
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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by keeping the beauty around us which includes the golf course, the openness and beauty it
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
provides its peopl
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
LEAVE IT STAY THE WAY IT IS. LET IT CONTINUE TO BE A GOLF COURSE. DONT FIX SOMETHING
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
THAT IS NOT BROKE. FIX THE POTHOLES INSTEAD
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1100% would like to see the land available to ALL residents and NOT just golfers. It's a
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wonderful asset to have in our town and I would like to go there, sit on the grass and not get
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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yelled at and/or hit with a golf ball. It is close enough to my home that I don't need to drive to
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
enjoy sitting in a park.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
I live within walking distance from the Golf Course. I do not think a golf course or whatever
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
may replace it, such as a much talked about Aquatic Center, is an essential service that a small
town like Port Townend should attempt to provide from tax revenues. There are far more
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essential services - roads, sewers and water supply, emergency and police services that our
tax revenues should go towards. Hence, I believe any plan forthis property must be paid for
by user fees. Not many people play golf. However vociferous the support, not many people
will use an Aquatic center or gym - please leave those kinds of facilities to private enterprises.
A park, and walking areas, yes, those are hopefully low-cost options. Or keep the golf course.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Given both Mountainview and golf course are used by so few citizens of the area public
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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sponsored funds should be better allocated to more pressing issues like streets. Our present
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
city debit load doesn't justify more expenditures for amenities.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
After hearing all the many options for the golf course, I highly recommend a strategy that
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
would keep the course intact but would also allow its use by any members of the public. I
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
would recommend that the city invest some moneyto repair/replace the current irrigation
system. This would greatly improve the beauty and playability of the course. Spending funds
on cart paths, the clubhouse or other infrastructure is unnecessary. Also recommended
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would be to open the course to the general public for one day per week (perhaps Sundays).
On that day, golf would not be allowed, but walking, hiking, playing frizbee, walking dogs, etc
would be encouraged. This approach is similar to that of the Old Course in St. Andrews,
Scotland, one of the most famous golf courses in the world. It is owned by the City of St.
Andrews, and is open to the general public on Sundays. This approach would allow
enjoyment of the course by everyone, and would be by far the cheapest option of those
under consideration.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
Very much in favor of the proposal for the Central Park concept. The town needs a civic
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
center for ALL not just for a select few, ie golfers.
You have requested information on how to find the concepts that were presented to the community, both the
Can you direct me to the images of the original four options forthe golf course, and also for
four plans and the subsequent two plans of the PTGC and the Mountain View Commons. I am sorry it is hard
t he updated two current options? I can not find them currentlythe City website. I believe
to find, and that I am delayed in my response. On the city's webpage, all plans can be found on the Open
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they are only included in some meeting or open house presentation that is NOT easy to find.
House 3 presentation, you can find here:
These are not listed in the "Materials for Review" list, and a website search for "golf course
ciIfpt.us/sites/default/files/file attach me nts/e n gage_pt/page/2056 1/0622 23_o pe n_ho use_3 golf_course_pr
options" does not seem to be very helpful either. Thank you.
esentation.pdf Thanks for your patience.
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hybrid solution, the real problem is that we just don't have the money to do any of this. Our
streets are crumbling, the City is facing a serious if not catastrophic budget shortfall in a few
months, and the Fort Worden PDA is falling apart as we look the other way and struggle with
issues such as diversity, inclusion, and equity. We pay outside consultants appalling sums of
taxpayer's money to thrust forward an agenda the suits a few highly -placed town leaders.
7/2/2023 (Ask them what they accomplished with the Cherry Street project, that broken down disaster
that was brought down from Canada with good intentions but poor or no planning.) All these
subjects have a place in our civil discourse, but wouldn't it be a good idea to step back and fix
what's broken first? I have a wish list too, but I'm not writing any bad checks to get what I
want. I take my time and work for it. There will be time in the future to tackle these issues
and further these needed improvements once we have gotten our house in order. Just say no
to everything, for now. And unless you are rich and care to contribute to all these adventures
personally, don't expect me to share your enthusiasm for what could be the last straw for our
City finances. I can't afford it.
The Hybrid Option presented at the meeting is by far the most practical and advantageous. It
maintains the golf course for life long learning, accommodates a public garden area, builds
walking trails, envisions use of the driving range as a "natural" amphitheatre, and provides for
affordable houseing It is important to acknowledge that once a local golf course is gone, it will
be virtually impossible to re -build one within city limits. Golf is a lifelong activity, just as
swimming is a lifelong activity. It promotes good exercise If the city hopes to accommodate
7/4/2023 swimmers with a new aquatic facility, I believe it should accommodate golfers as well. Also,
there is no evidence that the city could maintain another park; if fact, given the deplorable
condition of streets in PT, the lack of roadside mowing, and the struggle to maintain medians,
roundabouts, and rain gardens, I don't believe the city could sustain I adequate park
maintenance without a vote for a park district. This would add to the tax burden that
residents already face. I'd much rather see the PT administration maintain basic services like
street maintenance (including painted lines for safety purposes) than take on a new "central
park" or convert all the land housing. Undoubtedly, we need more housing; however, there is
considerable unbuilt land within the city limits. If we are to raise taxes for any reason, it
should be for purchase of land and building of affordable housing.
More regarding the gold course. If the goal of the process is to allocate land at the current
golf course site in a fashion proportionate to likely use it seems obvious that the central park
plan comes closest with one caveat. It doesn't offer anything to golfers. (I add a suggestion
regarding that below.). The hybrid plan allocates approximately 40 of 60 acres to a group that
currently has on average 10 users per day! This fact must be kept in the foreground of any
7/11/2023 consideration. The number I cite derives from the city commissioned analysis of the golf
course and explains why it is very rare to see anyone on this manicured lawnscape we all
heavily subsidize. For golfers, adding several small driving nets, and putting greens (3) of the
former and (2) of the latter to the central park plan where golfers can practice would be more
commensurate with the number of users. The current use, even if doubled with
improvements and marketing still doesn't justify the hybrid. The solution I suggest truly would
offer the most good for the most people. Thanks for your consideration.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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course. It is great to see that the majority of those participating would like to see the golf
course remain. After reading the article in the PT Leader on 7/19, I realized I should share our
family's experience, as there may be a disconnect as to the "why" of keeping the course as is.
We are so fortunate to live in a region full of parks, open land, trails, and beaches. As a
motherthis has been a wonderful place to raise my two children. I am so grateful. When my
children were little, I might not have recognized the benefits of a simple golf course. I imagine
this is the case with the local folks that are not in support. I share my thoughts with you, to
expand your understanding of how this course benefits families with older children in the
community.Now a mother of older children, I am seeking engaging outdoor activities for my
children who desire more than a trail or a park. In PT, we have seen pickleball courts replace
basketball courts, and dog parks replace soccer fields. The pool has struggled to remain
accessible due to staffing issues. Park and Rec is closed on the weekends due to lack of
funding and staffing challenges possibly? (another conversation for the future).We are a
family with 2 full time working parents. To keep my son busy this summer, off his phone and
console, he attends park and recreation camps (when available) in the morning and then he
walks to the golf course to play in the afternoon. He is outdoors, engaged, and happy with
friends. It is only $7 for him to golf. It is accessible daily and affordable, both unusual in
PT.Gabe, owner of the golf course, provided my son with a set of used clubs so he could learn
to play. He provided lessons for my son and his friends as well. Many families, such as mine,
must have two working parents to afford to live here. When the city commits to keeping
places like the golf course for youth and others, it is committing to wellness and families.
Where else in PT are there activities for teens, that are available daily and affordable?
Maybe the skate park? I argue that the golf course may be the only other place. As I said
above, most other places are not accessible daily or are expensive or exist in Port Angeles or
Kitsap. If PT hopes to welcome more families to the area, we need more, not less
opportunities foryouth.Keeping teens engaged reduces drug use and crime. Creating, not
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Course on July 17. First off, I want to commend you on your patience and your candid
comments following the numerous members of the keep -the -golf -course group. 1, like many
Port Townsend residents, were uncomfortable at the idea of attending the council meeting in
person, as this group is aggressive towards anyone, they think may not agree with them.After
living in Bellevue for nearly 30 years, my husband and I bought property in North Beach in
2021. In 2022 we built our forever home and love the town. We're dog owners who use the
off -leash dog park nearly every day. With the high number of dogs in town, including those
with visitors, I would love to see the dog park improved and increased in size. Please be
aware that recently golf balls are appearing in the dog park. These are dangerous to the
dogs. It's not clear if these balls are coming from people playing at the golf course. It is clear
golf and dogs don't mix. If any part of the golf course is to survive, the off -leash dog park
shouldn't be near golfers. I'm not in favor of using the donated golf course public land for
affordable housing. As the land appears to have been donated with the condition of use for
public recreation, that contract needs to be respected. I think the council would just be
inviting numerous lawsuits if the land is re-zoned.As for the current and future of the golf
course I'm not sure it should survive. We drive by the golf course almost daily. We've rarely
seen anyone playing golf— maybe 10 people over the last 14 months. I've been inside the
golf club house a few times. The building is dated, empty, and uninviting. The women's
bathroom has photos of the Port Townsend Women's Golf club, but the photos were taken
long before covid— maybe 6-7 yrs. ago, suggesting the club is no long active. A few of my
friends and I went to the newly opened restaurant on the golf club grounds. Like the rest of
the club house, the restaurant area is dated, uninviting, and we were the only patrons. The
menu & open hours are extremely limited. Additionally, I can't find any advertising informing
the Port Townsend community of its existence, suggesting the owner plans on primarily
serving golfers. Overall, the golf club appears to have become a private club, for a few
privileged residents, supported mostly by taxpayer revenue. Club members have known for a
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Hello Again: Just passing along some more data and statistics. The attached info was released Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
this morning by the R&A (Royal & Ancient) —the United States Golf Association is the Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
governing body of golf in the U.S., its territories, and Mexico; while the R&A is the governing
body for the rest of the world. And here is the link to the study, detailing all the statistics
about the growth of the game, about the increasing diversity of its participants, and about
the projections for the future. The USGA will most likely be coming out with their data
summary soon, which I will then forward. This seems a good opportunity to bridge the past
(i.e. your historic golf course) and the future (making the golf course and its property
available/accessible to the entire community). An example would be the municipal (county -
owned) Chambers Bay down near Tacoma, in which a walking path cuts directly through the
golf course (see attached photo, from a tournament our office conducted at Chambers Bay
two weeks ago), among other "non -golfing' activities available on that golf course property.
Thanks again.
770 8/3/2023 PT Golf I believe that PT Golf Course should be saved and upgraded with Robert Horner's plan.
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I wish the Mayor (or any one of the Councilors) would've made a motion for Consultants to Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
modify BOTH the Hybrid and the Central Park Concept Plans with Council's listed priorities. Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
And, I wish he took pause for ONE WEEK so Councilors could take time making their priority planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
lists and then vote on a motion with fresh heads that weren't just bombarded for 5 hours
with varying input from over 50 people! And, I wish he followed his usual protocol and let the
Councilors speak their opinions FIRST and his last as he usually does, instead of speaking
ahead of them with such a strong opinion - which, may have influenced their opinions. The
whole evening seemed to be heading towards a Hybrid Plan choice up until he spoke and
turned heads around - or so it seemed. If it wasn't too late to'modify'the Central Park Plan
with 'Andy's Plan' ideas, then it wasn't too late to'modify'the Hybrid Plan with some of
Horner's ideas. What Consultants are drawing up IS the CENTRAL PARK CONCEPT with
'modifications of Councilors' priorities - don't be calling it 'a third plan' - it's not. And, this is
my response to Mayor Faber's facebook post: (Sorry, for some repeat points) - Joni
771 8/3/2023 BlanchardDavid Faber -Trying to 'drill down to a compromise to break the stalemate'
would've been to ask Consultants (Pay the consultants more $$) to spend the next two
months ALSO making a'modified Hybrid Plan (that keeps the Course with modifications as the
PRTTB and some Stakeholders asked for) with Councilors' priorities added, rather than have
them ONLY focus on making the Stakeholders' last minute -Andy's-'unfleshed out' modified
Central Park Plan (that obliterates the course/adds Putt Putt) with Councilors' priorities
added. A'nod to our historical course' with Putt Putt and a useless driving range that the
Consultants advised against is just about an insult. Also, even more housing (than the
proposed 6 units in the NE corner on unrestricted deed property) wasn't recommended by
the PRTTB. What they said was along the lines of: If you're going to violate the family's wishes
who donated the property to the city (the deed stating 'Municipal Recreation or Aviation Use
Only', AND the 2020 declaration of 'Open Space' for the Course, then you shouldn't be
building on the expensive sloped hillside, but, put it anywhere on the golf course for less
expense. Their point was - You'd be dishonoring the family and violating the deed
I live in PT and use the golf course. I would like to invite any one of you who might be
interested to walk the golf course with me while I play nine holes to learn a little about the
772 8/3/2023 property from a golfers perspective. It could be a fun and relaxing way to get a little
additional information on this important issue. The walktakes an hour and a half, and we
could do it almost any day and time. Let me know if would join me, and a day and time that
works for you.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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Due to my employment for the past 10 years, l have been unable to comment on various Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
public issues, including the future of the Port Townsend Golf Course (PTGC). Now that I am Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
retired, l can do so. In my opinion, the Mayor and City Council are wrong in not maintaining planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
the golf course. I agree with the various letters and comments supporting the golf course and
the reasons given. In particular, I think the writings of former Mayor Brent Shirley and former
City Council member Mark Welch are informative and provide context. Tim Caldwell's post of
August 2 and that of Fred Obee are spot-on. I want to emphasis the following
points. Although PTGC is not long and only has 9 separate holes, it is a challenging golf course;
good players who regularly play nice and longer resort or country club courses have had
difficulty scoring at PTGC. The course plays uphill and downhill; has numerous uphill,
downhill and sidehill lies; has water in play on 3 of the holes; has out of bounds in play on 8
holes; has trees and sand traps as obstacles; is affected by wind; and has very small greens.
Taken together, scoring well can be difficult. The driving range and chipping/putting area are
773 8/4/2023 important for practice and learning the game. All of this presently exists. There is no need to
make numerous expensive improvements to the course other than to repair the irrigation
system. My good friend Tim Caldwell refers to PTGC as a "lunch pail" golf course. That is
exactly correct. It is not a country club and does not pretend to be in any sense. It's open to
the public for play and practice. I've played golf at PTGC for many years. The people who
play there areyour neighbors and community members; teachers; mill workers; small
business people; employees; people in various professions; retirees; men, women and kids of
all kinds; others who live or work in the community; and tourists and people from
neighboring communities. Council members have suggested that if the City received the
PTGC property now, they would never plop a golf course down on it. That is irrelevant and is
not what is happening. The PTGC is historic; has for nearly 100 years been accepted and used
by many and the community; has provided much to the community in charitable dollars and
recreational opportunities foryoung and old; and is a beautiful green space right in the
middle of town. Some suggest that PTGC should simply become a park of some kind with
Good morning,l live, I work, and I vote in Port Townsend. And I am in favor of keeping the
golf course. The cherry street complex that is located on the golf course has been derelict
and abandoned for a number of years. The Kai Tai property located on the golf course is a
774 8/7/2023 hotbed for drug activity, homelessness, and elicit behavior. These two projects have been
mismanaged by city government. Why should I put faith in a bigger more involved project?I
feel the city council and the mayor have a hidden agenda. They are not listening to the will of
the people, but to private interest groups.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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To the Port Townsend City Council concerning the Port Townsend Golf Course:l hope this Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
letter finds you all in good humors and my supreme desire in this correspondence is to not Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
incite offense or mistrust. I have the greatest respect for the time, volunteerism, and efforts planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
of all who step forward do good and their utmost for their community. So, before my
discourse I thank each and every one of you for your efforts and will to fight the good fight as
you see it.1'm going to use a metaphor or parable to illustrate my point. Parables help with
visualizing a concern or problem better than mere words. When a team of Soldiers enter a
room to clear it, each Soldier has specific responsibilities that the others are counting on in
order for the team as a whole to maximize their overall survival. The singular objective is to
get into the room as quickly as possible while maximizing the coverage of the room to
suppress any threats immediately. The first one in, the lead Soldier in the stack, has the most
dangerous job and is the most likely to be engaged or held up in the whole process. For this
reason, it has been trained for decades that speed is survivability. That Soldier must get to
775 8/7/2023 their position as fast as possible while clearing their sector of the room so that the rest of the
team can enter right on their heels to increase the odds of the lead Soldier's survival. That
lead Solder is trained to follow the "Path of least resistance" through the room to get to their
corner of the room. Split second decisions are made to get there as quickly as possible.
Around the couch in the way or over? Around the table or shelf or throw the item into the
center of the room? The Path of Least Resistance is whatever decision is necessary to get
there as quickly as possible. The path gravity takes water down the slope. This ideology in
room clearing was made obsolete in the experiences gathered in the last 20 years of war
overseas. Time, and time again, Special Operations Forces lost valuable and highly trained
team members to these tactics as it became apparent that patience and precision were far
superior to speed and aggression. The Path of Least Resistance led to wounded and dead
teammates. No days, rooms are cleared from the outside with better tools and tactics.
Decades of training the wrong tactics for the circumstances led to poor decisions on the
ground over what was the right way to do something.Concerning decisions with the Port
PT Golf Please keep it intact and continue to run as is for the next 10 years. It is obvious to anyone
that there is a large amount of people in this community that care for this space, primarily
keeping it pristine, open and beautiful. None of the proposed alternatives or zany ideas that
776 8/4/2023 are coming from our current City Council make any sense. It would be very nice if our city
council would put this matter to a simple ballot vote. Let the people decide! Finally, a cost
analysis of all proposals including where the money will come from to complete each
proposal is needed. It is obvious that the current system in place is the only affordable
mechanism.
PT Golf I am not a golfer but want you to leave it alone and renew the lease. It is a treasure.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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Hi Carrie, I'm writing to you because you're the designated contact person for Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
the golf course project. I have already filled out the form that asked for public Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
inout a coU Ie of months a o but I feel moved to write about the atmos here of Planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
dialogue about this issue.) have witnessed people in the media (Next Door,
Facebook, etc. as well as the local newspaper) who express an opinion contrary
to "keeping the golf course' being subjected to insults, accusations and, in
short, being bullied. I would submit a letter or comment in these forums, but I
am truly afraid of saying anything other than "keep the golf course exactly as it
is." I wonder how many other people feel this too. It seems to me that the
778 8/11/2023 preponderance of letters and comments are now pro -golf course partly because
the rest of us, who would like to discuss alternatives, are intimidated. This is
sadly the state of many issues in our public life today -- feeling bullied by loud,
intimidating voices on the extremes of any topic. I just want to express my
concern that public opinion about the golf course issue may LOOK one-sided
but certainly is not. There are many of us that are simply afraid to participate in
the discussion on a public level due to the fierce nature of blowback. Thanks for
listening. I'm so tired of reading all the "pro -golf course' letters and comments
and feeling those who write them are part of a group that feel absolutely safe
because of their own deafening, bullying crowd. It's very sad.
Just following up with the latest from the National Golf Foundation, about golf being the
779 8/14/2023 largest growing sport in the U.S........ https://www.ngf.org/the-largest-growing-sport-in-
america/
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because I can't walk on the golf cotuse. RTry would I? Port Townsend is frill oftmils, parks,
sidewalks, and beaches; it's extremely and infinitely walkable. I also don't feel excluded
because I can't walk across Memorial Field during a football game, or through a pickle ball
court or a basketball coral when people are playing. My kids grew up here, and even though
they couldn't play frisbee, croquet, tennis, basketball, soccer, horseshoes, baseball or anything
other than golf on the golf course, they weren't deprived or excluded there were a million
other places where they could and did enjoy all these activities and more. And all those places
for spoils other than golf are still here and are still being used.0itly 5 % of the population of
Port Townsend used the swimming pool in 2022 at least one time, but even those of us who
never use the pool aren't complaining that we can't play other sports or have picnics in the
pool. Arad we aren't asking to eliminate the pool, even though it costs P.T. hundreds of
thousands of dollars annually. ($276,000 according to the YMCA 2022 annual report on the
Mt. View pool, or $387,190 according to the City ofP.T.'s 2022 budget, under "Connnmity
780 8/11/2023 Services Find, Budget Surrunary." The $387,190 figure is more than half of the Parks
Mainteiiance budget, which is $601,228. The golf course, on the other hand, cost P.T. a total of
$31,568 in 2022. ($29,843 for city water, plus $11,725 for "Repairs/Maintemlice/Professioual
Services", minus $10,000 in revenue from the coime.
i Golfcoiuse reverme:$124,422 in 2022.
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L_ amlysis_2018_-_2022.pdf Subsidy fiurn the city: $31,568 in 2022.Pool revemtes:
$105,680 in 2022.
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Maintenance Budget, $276,000 went to the YMCA.)The pool is a financial drain; the golf
course isn't. But both are well used and loved, and both provide important opportunities for
exercise and companionship, two ofthe most important factors in promoting good health. The
Thanks for the link Tom. I will make sure it is on the log.
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I wish I had written this as l feel it is excellent and expresses how I feel about the golf
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course. I favor Robert Horner plan for its inclusiveness and also the price will be much
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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lower than anything else presented. I am not big on carrying as much debt as we do
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
and do not want to add to that.
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reside at 1060 mcpherson st. i would like the cityto renew the lease on the golf course. no
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
other proposed optionmakes much sense, the golf course is a historical quirky part of the
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
charm of PT. keep it. thank you
I support accessibility to the golf course land for all ages and a variety of public uses. I respect
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
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the participation of so many in the discernment process. Please do not allow the golf -only
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
faction to overwhelm you with their attack strategies. Keep on listening to the WHOLE
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
community as we are NOW. Thanks foryour hard work,
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Regarding: Golf Course Property I regret that the divisiveness and broad rancor stemming
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
from the city's process of exploring options for the property has caused undue pressure and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
anxiety on many, let alone high costs. While much could have been avoided, I am also
thankful that elected officials like you are willing to initiate a thoughtful process regarding the
property. Take the following as a possible "solution" to consider formally. Premise: The city
and the current lessee lack the capacity and expertise to manage the golf course property to
its full potential effectively.Advised solution: I suggest a non-profit takes over the
management of the property and the city gives at least a 10 -year lease. Specifics of the lease
are to be negotiated, but with needed capital investments, an extended lease is the only
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thing that makes sense. The cost of the lease, improvements, and maintenance can be offset
by potential user fees so that regressive or extra tax schemes can be minimized, and grants
and donations can also be pursued by the non-profit. The intent can be to promote broader
use/enjoyment of this valuable city property, knowing that whatever its intended use, it is
most likely only a minority of residents will use it, as is the case with other publically
developed and maintained recreational/park properties. The expertise needed on the board
would recognize that popular majority opinions are unlikely to assure optimal and cost-
effective uses for the property. The issues are pretty complex. I suggest a board of qualified
local professionals/volunteers, not all who need to be golf enthusiasts. I suggest inviting and
motivating such a board to take on the task and start the ball rolling regarding a negotiated
lease.
My husband and I are not golfers, and think their verbal assaults on the mayor
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
and the council printed in the newspaper vile and their behavior at public
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
meetings abhorrent. Please don't let a loud group of disgruntled old white men
Planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
golfers control the agenda about the future of the golf course property. The
mayor is right - most people would like the golf course to be available to non -
golfers. That being said, although this town has many people with deep
pockets, the majority of the population will not be happy to subsidize an
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expensive renovation through taxes. Personally, we think there can never be
enough open spaces for nature and parks - please don't go the way of Portland
with high-density infill of vacant land within city limits. It can't be denied that
homeless people will be a particular problem within parks, but they are a
problem everywhere. There is no easy answer, but we are writing to express
our disgust with the tiny minority of the population who have resorted to
personal attacks on public servants. Persevere. You can't please everyone!
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Dear great folks who keep the city of Port Townsend going. I support real and substantial
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change at the current city golf course. It is an incredible public space that could serve so many
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
more of our community. I wish to walk there with my child and my dog, safely. I imagine a
park with restored plant life that brings in birds and helps make our city more climate
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friendly. I want a walking and bike path across the park that connect to quiet residential
streets so my child can ride to high school more safely when they reach that age.As a working
parent, I find it difficult to make it to city council and other meetings, but I want my family's
voice heard. We want the golf course to become a park, and we want that change as soon as
possible. Thank you,
To Port Townsend Mayor, City Council Members, and City Manager I have been a £till-
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
time resident of Port Townsend since 1980 and a volunteer maintenance manager of the
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
Kah Tai Prairie Preserve since the 1990's. The preserve is INSIDE ofthe golf coarse so
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
I have witnessed firsthand how busy the golf course can be and the amount of work
required daily to maintain the grounds. After actively following the meetings and open
house since the beginning of the Envision plamring process I have gained great respect
for all the discussions and citizen input and passion for this area. Here are some
comments I have heard below. Has it been considered to use park funds to upgrade the
degraded portions of the Kah Tai Lagoons' 72 acres for a dog park, pickle ball court,
playground. Someone proposed the idea of selling the 2-story building floated in from
Victory intended for low-income housing to fund improvements to the golf course. It has
been vacant for over 6 years. The need for low-income housing could be solved in other
vacant blocks of land in the City. There were once plans for low-income, high-density
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housing at the comer of San Juan and F Street. Potential housing options could include
the lesser used 13.96-acre park at 35n' and Rosecrans Street. The survey from ONE
open house, (as published the Leader Editorial by David Farber) shows the vote was
42% Central Park, 33% Golf Course, 18% hybrid. Other comments from web site
review and Leder editorial a strong desire to leave it as a golf course, or a reasonable
hybrid. These comments are by local citizens including not just old people but scientists,
architects, previous mayors, previous city council members, previous city planners,
previous Leader editors, business owners, attorneys, environmentalists, consultants,
golfers, dog owners, and long term and newly arrived Port Townsend residents.Yes, the
majority of citizens want the "gem" of our city saved as a golf course, compromise plan,
or open park space. Park staff is understaffed and overworked: it would be extremely
difficult to maintain this acreage that is mowed and carefully manicured. I recommend
renewing the golf course lease until we can agree on a reasonable compromise.
Hi: I wanted to thank the Mayor and the entire city council (and staff) and
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Shareholder Group for all of their hard work on the golf course property. I
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
attended two of the meetings in person and listened to the City Council meeting
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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on-line. I am fairly new to Port Townsend so came in with an open
mind. However, I do now believe that a more inclusive plan is appropriate. I
couldn't agree more with Gabe Van Lelyveld's recent opinion piece in this week's
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I have followed the discussion on the golf course since the beginning. The city of PT has plenty Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
of parks and walking trails -golf courses are, by their very design "open space". The golf Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
course costs the city very little under current management - I suspect that the "cost" today planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
would be far exceeded by the cost to maintain it as a park. We are already highly taxed and I
789 8/16/2023 see no reason to increase our tax burden to make changes when we are already looking at a
huge bill to (at the low end) repair the pool, or (high end) create a Taj Mahal new pool/fitness
center. I don't play golf, but I respect the people who do, and who enjoy a close, reasonably
inexpensive course. I also support the various charity tournaments held there to support local
non -profits. In addition, the course supports the school teams without a lengthy bus ride.
Please do not support any plan that removes our historic golf course.
I believe that what Port Townsend needs right now is to make a commitment to Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
keeping the golf course as is or with only minor improvements.Ou r county has Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
recreational opportunities for trail hikers, dog owners, pickle ball players, tennis planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
players, skate boarders, sailors, swimmers... The list goes on and on. Why are we
considering eliminating the only public golf course for miles around? Where are kids,
including the high school team, going to play if it goes away? Besides, any other option
790 8/16/2023 would cost the county far more than we could afford. The City has stated that it
doesn't have the financial means to repair the streets. But we can spend millions
reconfiguring the golf course? That doesn't make sense.For the past several months,
we've read many thoughtful, eloquent letters to the editor of the Leader, strongly in
favor of keeping the golf course. They have expressed themselves far better than I
ever could, but I agree wholeheartedly with their sentiments. Let's keep the golf
course!
I read with interest Gabe Van Lelyveld's opinion peace in the Leader, and as he suggested, I Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
am writing to express our family's support forthe process and plans currently underway for Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
791 8/16/2023 the golf course property. From what we have read, it seems that a full, lengthy, and inclusive planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
consultation process has been conducted and we should support the results of that process.
Change is hard, of course. Thank you for listening to the needs of the majority of the
community and leading us forward in this area.
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With respect to your upcoming difficult decision about the city-owned land currently used by
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
the golf course, l respectfully ask that you consider all voices, not just the recently most vocal
ones. I'm dismayed by the recent tenor of public comments. I've heard people say that they
do not feel comfortable speaking up publicly, and want to have their written comments to
City Council recorded anonymously, because they fear insults and accusations. I've
experienced this kind of bullying, too—with responses like, "you don't get to have an opinion
if you disagree about saving the golf course." Moreover, I'm disturbed by accusations against
elected officials and staff: "they just want to destroy our town", to fund "their pet projects",
are somehow out for their own personal gain, and that the public process was a sham process
with a hidden agenda.) believe that people who spend their careers in public service generally
792 8/15/2023 do so because they care about the common good and about finding solutions that benefit the
community as a whole. I imagine the pressure is immense, and it's easy for me—from my
armchair—to ask that you make a decision about this large municipal asset that looks to the
future and the greatest common good: land that is truly open to all residents, some of which
can and should be used for affordable housing, which PT obviously desperately needs. There
are mechanisms to ensure the housing remains affordable in perpetuity—I'm sure you're all
aware of this. How does preserving the golf course in its entirety benefit the majority of
citizens of this town? What will another three to five years of extension of the golf course
lease prove—in terms of viability—that the last decades of operation have not been able to?
Please know that there are many other voices and citizens watching this process, people who
have contributed opinions over the course of several years (under previous Councils and the
2020 PROS plan, for example), and want to know that their opinions matter too.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
As a frequent visitor to PT our family plays often at this course. It is a unique course and
793 8/13/2023 reasonable for s people. It would be a Declaimed. RACE to develop this property. Keep Open space
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
OPEN. If it is developed it can never be reclaimed.
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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because I can't walk on the golf course. Why would I? Port Townsend is full of trails, parks,
sidewalks, and beaches; it's extremely and infinitely walkable. I also don't feel excluded
because I can't walk across Memorial Field during a football game, or through a pickle ball
court or a basketball court when people are playing. My kids grew up here, and even though
they couldn't play frisbee, croquet, tennis, basketball, soccer, horseshoes, baseball or
anything other than golf on the golf course, they weren't deprived or excluded; there were a
million other places where they could, and did, enjoy all these activities and more. And all
those places for sports other than golf are still here and are still being used.Only 5% of the
population of Port Townsend used the swimming pool in 2022, but even those of us who
never use the pool aren't complaining that we can't play other sports or have picnics in it, and
aren't asking to eliminate it, even though it costs P.T. hundreds of thousands of dollars
annually. ($276,000 according to the YMCA 2022 annual report on the Mt. View pool, or
$387,190 according to the City of P.T.'s 2022 budget, under "Community Services Fund,
Budget Summary." The $387,190 figure is more than half of the Parks Maintenance budget.
The golf course, on the other hand, cost P.T. a total of $31,568 in 2022. ($29,843 for city
water, plus $11,725 for "Repairs/Maintenance/Professional Services", minus $10,000 in
revenue from the course.
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ancial_analysis_2018_-_2022.pdf We're all trying to understand where the impetus to target
the golf course came from, because though it makes no apparent sense, the City Council has
spent huge amounts of money on trying to create the illusion of public demand to eliminate
the golf course. My own guess is that the real issue with the golf course is that it's open,
public land that could provide lots of profit to investors in so-called "public/private
partnerships" to build housing, as imagined in depressing schematics like the one I've
attached. Maybe you have to have lived in Port Townsend as an adult for at least a few
decades to appreciate how deeply damaging and destructive the City Council's actions with
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Remarks by Sheila Westerman at Council Meeting last night Aug.7, 20231 don't know David
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Faber, or most of the new council members. Up to this point, I had hoped that they and the
City Manager would listen carefully to our community (all of us), explore future options
(including doing nothing) and not come to decisions based on pre-conceived notions of what
they think (especially the Mayor and City Manager) is most appropriate for the future of our
community.Here's what I do know:l came here in 1971 after graduation from the University of
Washington. I have been involved in the fishing community, boat building community, the
small business community, and the nonprofit community. I was a City Councilmember for two
terms and served 25 years on the Jefferson County Board of Health. The point of this
dissertation: I have interacted with lots of diverse people in this community. Public processes
are messy and need to be built on trust and transparency. I have been actively involved in
795 8/8/2023 many complicated and contentious public planning processes to chart a path for the future of
our community: Gateway Development Plan, Urban Waterfront Plan, Downtown Parking
Plans, the City Comprehensive Plan, Northwest Maritime Center, public health plans, etc. I
have never seen such a sham public process and arrogance from our Mayor, City Manager
and Council as I am witnessing with the golf course public process. How does the Mayor and
Council know what the so-called "silent majority" really thinks? It seems to me that the
stakeholder group was not very representative of our community, and especially golf course
stakeholders. This public process lacks valid surveys, concrete data and relies mostly on what
the Mayor and Council wants to hear from their "silent majority." This clearly ignores the
fundamental basics of running a fair and transparent public planning process that respects
our citizens and the most affected stakeholders. It is time to rethink this whole process. The
golf course is an important part of our historic legacy, charm, quality of life and what makes
PT such a special place.
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believing that the golf course was a gift to the town and would be ours forever. It is our gem,
our treasure. I have always loved the green space in the middle of town and still consider
myself fortunate to have been able to return to my hometown as an adult to raise my family.
We love going to the restaurant at the course and any events hosted there. It is such a
beautiful space and well-maintained by Gabe and his volunteers. It is a beauty that not many
towns have and I would hate to see it change. Once it's gone, it's gone.l know of some recents
PTHS grads who play at the golf course several days a week. I am doubtful that these young
folks would make the trip to Chevy Chase or the Port Ludlow course. Not all of them even
drivel had not been to the Kan Tai Lagoon Nature Park in several years, as I was concerned
for my safety in that area. I decided to give it another try last month on a hot day. I thought it
would be cooler there for my pups' afternoon exercise. After walking along the trail by the
lagoon for several minutes, I heard some noises but didn't notice anyone, then I saw a man
8/8/2023 making those noises while lying on his back, a few feet from the trail, trying to open a bottle
of booze. I turned around and left. Can't some progress be made to get the trails we already
have back in working order so we can feel safe using them??I am appalled at how ugly our
town looks now that the city does not do any mowing. I am not sure what the backup plan is,
or is there one? My walking route is unsafe for my dogs in parts because of the overgrown
weeds (many foxtails) on the sidewalks. Who is supposed to tell the people who are not
cutting their weeds, that they have to. Or else ... or else what? It has been months now and
my road is getting narrower, as the weeds have taken over and the bushes have grown out
into the road. Visibility is poor in many spots because of the tall weeds. It is really hard now to
see animals that are near the edge of the road. It's depressing to see our town have an
uncared-for look- and I am also embarrassed for what PT's visitors think.A great worry of
mine is that if there is no golf course, who will maintain those grounds, if the right-of-ways
can't even be cared for, for safety's sake? There has to be a way to keep the golf course and
also please some of the folks who want some other things on that property. Yes, and Robert
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The golf course property in the middle of our beautiful city needs to be preserved as a golf
course and additionally many other public uses that could be on this gem of a site, not to
8/7/2023 include housing at this location. I am not a golfer but I look forward to being involved as
volunteerto having this land be used by many age groups, organizations and interests. There
are many new volunteers willing to step up and be involved. I want this golf course preserved
and am joining many others who feel the same way. Thank you
In recent proposed design concepts forthe golf course, an amphitheater has been included.
I'm writing to ask that this amphitheater be *removed* from any designs being considered.
The area around the golf course is residential, and an amphitheater would create too much
noise for those of us who live here and work from our homes. Surelythe money that would
need to be budgeted for construction of an amphitheater could be put to better use in other
8/11/2023 areas ofthe project.Additionally, there is no justification for an amphitheater as there are
many opportunities to gather and enjoy live music around Port Townsend, appealing to
different tastes and budgets. Off the top of my head: the Centrum, Concerts on the Dock, the
Farmers Market, Vintage, Palindrome, the Castle, Finnriver, Discovery Bay Brewing,
Marrowstone Vineyards, Bishop Block Hotel, THING, Quimper Grange, Candlelight Concerts,
the PT Library, community choruses/music ensembles, local parades and even the post office
where I've enjoyed harp music while waiting in line. The amphitheater will be so disruptive to
families living around the golf course. Please remove it from consideration.
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submit additional comments. First, l appreciate the dedication of all the stakeholders, Council Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
members, Mayor, City manager, and Port Townsend Citizens during this difficult attempt at a Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
consensus of the future of open space in the heart of Port Townsend. I have attended open planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
houses and meetings. The three plans that were produced during this process during the past
2 years have been rejected during a recent Council meeting, I hope you will accept the
following letter for comments to public record. I met Carrie Hite when she was first hired by
the City to assist with planning for the future of the golf course and Mountain View
Commons. Recently I requested information or misinformation and she recommended web
sites with all previous meetings and recorded public comments, and KPTZ interviews. This
helped unravel the questions of this complex planning puzzle. I have been a full-time
resident of Port Townsend since 1980 and owned two businesses. Under the Olympic
Peninsula Chapter of the Washington Native Plant Society, I have volunteered since 1990 to
the present as manager of the maintenance of the Kan Tai Prairie Preserve and organized
799 8/15/2023 work parties twice a year. Forest Shomer has also been a dedicated volunteer and is the
representative stakeholder for the Kan Tai Prairie Preserve. The golf course surrounds the
prairie so we were on the INSIDE of the golf course. The work mowing, gardening, repairing
buildings are also conducted by golf course volunteers. The City Parks crew has been
supportive all these years to help in prairie maintenance. I am neither a swimmer nor a golfer
and sympathize with the housing issue. Although a priority of the PTHS students is affordable
housing they could lobby for access to higher educational opportunities, living wages jobs. In
the future, they can reflect and be proud that our town did not develop the "gem" in the
middle of Port Townsend. Current rumors reflect a distrust/anger about the direction of the
Envision PT process and the abrupt rejection of all the past plans. Different sources believe
that there has been a hidden agenda and deals with real estate agents from the very
beginning. I am hoping this is misinformation and we have an honest and democratic decision-
making process. From my research most citizens DO want to save the open space as open
space, golf course, or a compromise. "You don't know what you got till it's gone."
PLEASE do not close the golf course! It is truly an irreplaceable asset to the community. Once
800 8/17/2023 gone..... gone forever. Crazy that the City is considering this and the "Healthy Together" pool
when basic infrastructure is in such disrepair and should be a funding priority. Paid for by
Grants..... what a deal! How do you maintain it moving forward. NOT a good track record
here. At least put it up for a city wide vote!
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golf course as is, or with modifications necessary to reach a compromise solution for all I feel Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
a strong sense of disappointment with the decision to delete the golf course from existence in Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
its entirety. I have been following the reports all through the process with the belief that a planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
compromise solution would be reached and was increasingly dismayed and disheartened
with the report from last week's council meeting when this decision was reached despite the
clear demonstration of support for the golf course to remain in some form (over 51% vs.
43%). It is very disturbing that those in favor of deleting the golf course can only see that one
solution, albeit several variations of the same options. It is disheartening that the only way for
their dream to be actualized is with the destruction and deletion of someone else's. That is
not the way to build community and positive relations, but instead will continue to create
factions and we vs. them mentality. We must work harder, yes, to cooperate, but if we are to
continue to build a cohesive, welcoming community we must let go of the all or nothing
rhetoric, name calling, and assumptions and build toward a solution that respects all.
801 8/19/2023 Instead, I firmly believe that with the creative talent and energy that has been expressed, we
have the opportunity to enhance our commitment to our already prodigious parks and open
spaces, and to continue the good work already begun in support of affordable housing. Keep
the golf course and driving range playable in some fashion. Use our combined talent to come
up with creative ways to cooperate and re -vision. I understand the frustration and
disappointment of those who have been part of the process from the first whiff of discussion,
and I am sorry that I was not more attentive --I truly did not believe that such a destructive
option would come to fruition. I was complacent, yes (and maybe a bit in denial) and had
misplaced confidence in our elected officials and city manager to lead a process to a realistic
compromise. I am not a regular golfer, nor am I an 'elitist'. I am a long time member of this
community who has frequently delighted in the variety of options that our town has to offer,
for being such a small one. I am proud of our small city. I am a frequent user of our many
parks and trails, downtown areas, concerts, and activities. I feel blessed to be part of a rich
community of people. I own property and have raised our children here. I have golfed at the
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
I am in full support of keeping the golf course. It is important to provide all types of recreation Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
facilities for our citizens and visitors. I don't know how the city can afford to change the golf planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
course to a Central Park plan like that proposed by the Mayor. We already have many passive
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park areas in town. l support continuing the lease for at least one year with the intent to keep
the golf course and improve the management to bring more play and more income to the
course. As I read comments on social media and talk to other residents, I believe that a
majority of our residents want to keep the course. When viewing the meetings the city had, if
you take all the golf course plans together, there were more votes to keep golf than the
Central Park option. Please listen to your constituents and keep the golf course.
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1 have never been a golfer but do like the idea of a public golf course in the center of town.
When I moved here 34 years ago, and still today, I appreciate the look and feel of the golf
course. Please do what you can to retain the golf course.
I have never been a golfer. In the 34 years that I have lived in Port Townsend, I have enjoyed
driving bythe golf course. I appreciate its apparent serenity, the wide open space, and the
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fact that the city has, in the past, provided it stewardship. I love to swim. I'd much rather have
the city pay to maintain the golf course than cause every home owner in the city to be taxed a
ridiculously high amount in order to have a pool. It isn't always about what an individual
wants but what makes sense in a community. I think city council has lost any idea of what the
populous wants or is willing to pay for.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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I have lived in Port Townsend for 34 years and have yet to step on golf course property except Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
to eat twice at the restaurant. The golf course is a spectacular piece of property. As such, it Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
805 8/25/2023 should be left intact and supported b the council. Please do not change the golf course to planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send our thoughts.
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other uses. There are many other parks and open spaces people can access.
I want to thank City Council members for their willingness to explore new options for the City
Golf Course property. I appreciate the Engage PT process and efforts to include all city
residents. I believe this planning process is a sincere effort to share information, include
everyone, and to listen to citizens. Of course it is not perfect. All of us are struggling to find
and connect the information needed to make informed decisions. But this has been a very
reasonable and useful effort to inform and listen, despite missing information and
overworked staff. So thank you. And please continue to hear that there are many many
citizens who do not play golf, who do not admire acres of mowed grass or noisy mowers. Lets
806 8/25/2023 make most of this large central tract of land a richer, healthier, better green space: a park
with more native prairie, more trees and bushes, more places for insects, birds and small
animals, while opening it to more Port Townsend residents. I do think there can be room for
rows of townhouses along San Juan and along Blaine St. without a major impact. But we
cannot have everything. We probably cannot fit the wonderful necessary native prairie, the
equally necessary migratory bird pond, accessible walkable green space (green lungs for the
City!), plus affordable housing, multiple golfing activities, and a dog park. There will need to
be some difficult choices made. I hope that council members choose wisely for the future,
and limit the amount of buildings and pavement. I hope we can add some practical smaller
housing without taking too much of this property that should be open to public use.
It was refreshing to read the letter sent to the Leader on August 16th by Gabe Van Lelyveld,
on the golf course proposals before the City Council. The opponents to these proposals, that
would benefit the larger community, not just golfers, have made ludicrous and unwarranted
claims, verging on dire consequences, if this were to happen. The sad but inescapable truth is
the golf course, as it exists now, only benefits a few golfers. I have in the past two weeks of
glorious weather, witnessed just how few golfers are actually out playing. I believe this is why
807 8/20/2023 they are now attacking the results from the lengthy process used by the City Council, with
public input, that favored the Central Park option. It is clear that the community would like
greater use and access to the property while allowing some golf usage to continue. It's a
shame that a small vocal minority continue trying to over turn the the wishes of the
community, to serve their own interests. We are witnessing this approach across the country
and hopefully the Mayor and City Council will not be bullied by their actions.
I don't play golf. But I have actually begun to think it might be worth taking up. I've been
swayed by the good will and eloquence of the letters to the editor in The Leader on behalf of
keeping the golf course as it is for now. Aside from the golf course's history and the passion of
the people who treasure it, I believe that creating or renewing a further lease and allowing
volunteers to continue to maintain the course is more cost efficient than letting the golf
course turn into a central park with maintenance issues. I agree with those who've argued
808 8/21/2023 that we have enough parks and walking areas. Meanwhile, the property owners of the large
empty lots around F and San Juan near the golf course should be encouraged to either build
housing or to sell those lots to the city for development. I can't help but think that the focus
on the golf course, as well as the expensive new pool, is distracting from more serious issues
to do with infrastructure and housing. Especially at a time of climate change, attention to
road repair and the sewer system is less exciting but more crucial to Port Townsend's
immediate future than worrying about who's golfing and who's not.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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I want to express my support for the evaluation of the public use on the current public golf Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
809 8/21/2023 course property. I strongly support making the property more accessible to the general Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
public by substantially broadening the use of the property. In no way do I support keeping planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
the use of the property solely as a golf course.
Yay parks! Yay way more affordable housing! Yay creativity! Why would we possibly even Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
810 8/19/2023 consider taking all this land and keeping it as a golf course? Golfers' voices should not be Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
elevated above all others. planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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This note is to express my opinion in favor of a public park and recreation center, including a
new pool, at the current golf course location. A low percentage of the population here uses
the golf course, that valuable land should be transformed into a place where a there are
activities for the whole community.
Just another vote for the conversion of the golf course into a walkable, picnicable, runnable,
bikeable, cornholable, soccerable, swimable, festivalable green space for our fair city- from a
space that is currently just barely golfable.
That city property should be shared.
I would like to comment that I strongly support making the land which is currently a golf
course into something which can be used by many of the city residents and visitors, rather
than just the few that golf.
I support the multi -use proposal for usage of the PT golf course.
I recommend maintaining the golf course as it is for several reasons. It is a valuable asset that
serves a portion of the community directly, and is appreciated by many more people that
don't golf. It is historical and if the city wished to increase usage, it could certainly be
marketed outside the area. If the goal is to incorporate some additional uses into that public
land, Robert Horner's designs go a long way towards accommodating several new uses which
could provide income while maintaining the existing historical use of the property. Regarding
the public process on this question - it was discouraging. I attended all three public events,
and provided survey responses each time there was an opportunity. Many people expressed
that they felt there was a predetermined conclusion that the consultants had been directed
to work towards. The fact that there was really no serious consideration of a "Do nothing"
option was discouraging. People felt that the golf options were often split in a manner so
that the non -golf option would generate the larger though still non -majority support.
Misinformation was vigorously propagated by one particular member of the stakeholders
committee, with the support of parks officials he claimed, that demonstrated these people
had no idea about the actual numbers regarding the golf course usage, and they apparently
didn't ask the golf course operator, in order to confirm their mis-interpretation of the
financial reports he provided. That stakeholder later corrected their misinformation, but the
falsehood had already "gotten halfway around the world while the truth was getting her
boots on." I saw the incorrrect usage number repeated many times, and attempted to
correct it each time in my personal discussions on the topic. There was plainly a strong and
seemingly unbridgeable gap between the interested parties. Whether or not there is a golf
course is a question upon which it is difficult to compromise - there either is a golf course or
there is not a golf course. At one point in the third public meeting two representatives of the
stakeholders committee announced that the group had finally reached a consensus, and they
stated the two options they were going to present to council.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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Immediately after, two different members of the stakeholder committee stated that no Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
there was no consensus from the committee. I understand they later actually reached Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
consensus. Iwas a little surprised at the council's decision - I did not think it accurately planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
considered the results of the excruciating public input process. That decision seemed to
support the hypothesis that there was a predetermined goal to make dramatic changes to the
golf course property. While proponents of change cite the city's financial support of the
current course, and water use as problems to be addressed, or unfair to non -golfers, when
you look at the dollars as a percentage of city budget, and the gallons of water compared to
actual overall water use in the city - both the dollars and gallons of water are an insignificant
fraction of a percent, certainly an investment we can afford in such a resource. There may be
more glory and satisfaction to decide to make significant changes rather than to work to
maintain what exists. Nobody gets kudos for maintenance. The attraction of free money! Is
hard to resist, but sometimes it is right to do so. The city struggles and sometimes fails to
816 8/21/2023 maintain the infrastructure it has. Roads are a related example. Grants seem to be available
for significant new development like Rainier Street and the long-awaited new sidewalks along
Discovery, but it seems there are no grants forthe maintenance of existing roads, so we
struggle with deferred maintenance, and even with recent increases to road maintenance
budgets, it appears we continue to fall behind and roads deteriorate fasterthan they will be
maintained. I know the budgets and departments for parks and public works are separate and
we can't directly apply the struggles of the roads to the parks, however I think the comparison
is illustrative. We are on the verge of going down the same path - already the parks struggle
with maintenance for what we have. For example the city is unable to keep the restrooms
open at Kai Tai Park, and just keeps a sanican there. Another example is that the gazebo at
Chetzemoka, perhaps our most iconic park structure, has unaddressed water damage and
roof rot, and the stairs are in need of repainting. Why is that? Apparently there are no grants
to fix things, and we don't prioritize it internally.
I guess the stairs take a lot of wear so may need to be repainted each year, but the roof rot is
definitely a problem When I attended a wedding on the gazebo recently and noticed that rot
on the roof above the happy couple, it gave me a knot in my stomach. I wouldn't tolerate that
on my house - why can't the city care for the park structures? Regarding the requests to put
affordable housing on the public land which is now golf course, I do not think this is an
appropriate use of currently open space. I do recognize the need for additional affordable
housing in ourcommuncy. I am an employerand have a keen first-hand perspective of the
housing struggles experienced by our entry level employees. However the cRyonly has so
many resources to devote to various Issues. Me Evans Vista project will represent a
significant challenge in terms of staff time and energy. there have been expensive errors in
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the past and by over committing ourselves we invite future mistakes. It has been publicized
that there are significant financial challenges to be faced by the city in the coming years. Me
city is involved in the struggles of the Fort Worden PDA, and the relationship between this
entity, the city, and the State Parks will have a huge impact on our community and the park
land that benefits us so much. It may be that further economic and staff support from the
city is appropriate. Me proposed aquatic center will be a very significant Investment forour
community, and it is unclear to me at this point how much the city will contribute in terms of
money and staff time. While hearing all of these other projects in mind, I feel it underscores
the importance of not discarding the golf course as a currently functioning and appreciated
resource, with historical and current cultural significance - if there are grants forecasted to be
available to do so.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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I would like to extend my thanks and gratitude to Mayor Faber and the PT City Council for Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
their leadership and patience with the PT community surrounding the future land use of the Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
golf course. I truly appreciated the opportunities to voice our hopes, through multiple surveys planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
817 8/21/2023 and meetings, for creating a future park that everyone can access and enjoy. You are all doing
an amazing job and are handling the challenges professionally and with grace. The loud and
angry voices are often not the majority. Thank you for your time and all of your efforts.
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I know golfing enthusiasts are trying to swamp the airwaves and bend the City Council to their Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
will.... But I want to cast my vote to strongly in support of modifying the golf course in a way Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
that would allow multiple uses otherthan golfing. planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
With this action I believe more people will enjoy the healing benefits of more time being
outdoors and appreciating the beautiful nature in our community.
Also knowing there is another golf course near by for the golfers use.
The Springhill Golf Course, Hastings Park deeds from 1906, 1908, and the Jefferson County
and other deeds of 1927 reveal: In 1927 Jefferson County deeded to the City of PT the lots
and blocks bounded by Blaine Street and vacated Van Ness "for municipal purposes only'.
These lots along with the golf links and Hastings Park have been continuously used as a golf
course overthe last 120 years. A definition: Municipal purpose means the use or
occupancy of a parcel of land by the City, or under lease from the City by a non-profit
organization, for the purpose of delivering one or more municipal services." The Council -
adopted guiding documents provided bythe community are the results of years of public
process, reaffirmed by regular updates.. They provide community intentions as to what the
Council's direction for municipal uses should be. There is nothing in the Parks, Recreation and
Open Space documents to indicate or direct the selling or subdividing of the park and
recreation lands for commercial or housing purposes. The Groundswell consultant's hybrid
plan that disrupts golfing and injects housing onto these public lands has caused a furor. It
has never been the intention of this community to subdivide its public park and recreation
lands. This is not an appropriate municipal use. Your last business meeting was historic,
attended by many people who over more than forty years have participated in all aspects of
civic planning and governance. They offered their experience and wisdom to help this council
understand the relevance of the golf land acreage forthe well being of this community. They
are the veterans of community action when the City wanted to spend millions to re-archtect
the Carnegie Library. It took tremendous community effort to save the Kan Tai land from Port
plans to turn 20 acres into commercial real estate. And now we are here to defend the golf
lands from housing development. These lands, similarto the Andrew Carnegie library, were
gifted to the community by local philanthropists 120 years ago; not only generous but with
foresight given that the entire town was platted for development. This acreage continues to
provide the open space and recreation so necessary to balance the encroaching housing.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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hh is gifting was motivated by the same insight as reflected in the goals incorporated into the Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
2020 PROS Plan Update; goals consistent with the adopted 1993 Parks Plan: to protect critical Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
resources and to develop active and passive parks. Further, the golf land has been designated planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
as essential for emergency preparedness. planning and projects. hhey are juggling several
projects i.e. Fort Warden PITA, the Cherry St. housing problem and the very complex planning
for the housing array at Evans Vista which may include selling off acreage to private
developers. ho adopt a hybrid plan for yet another housing project at this time is creating a
great deal of public consternation- expensive and ill advised pla nning. hhe com m unity
819 8/21/2023 agrees housing is needed. Prudent consideration is called for such as exploring the acreage
with the abandoned Mt. View tennis courts and Gaines Street right of way. phis acreage is
shovel ready with the necessary infrastructure for apartments. Through rezoning this would
be a realistic use of public assets. Much more appropriate than subdividing and subsidizing
housing development on park lands with additional infrastructure at taxpayers expense -
streets, lighting, water. Please respect and use our guiding documents with the goals to
conserve and add to the irreplaceable open space and recreation lands within oursmall town.
My husband & I listened to the council's meeting on the future of the Port Townsend Golf
Course on July 17. First off, I want to commend you on your patience and your candid
comments following the numerous members of the keep -the -golf -course group. 1, like many
Port Townsend residents, were uncomfortable at the idea of attending the council meeting in
person, as this group is aggressive towards anyone, they think may not agree with them. After
living in Bellevue for nearly 30 years, my husband and I bought property in North Beach in
2021. In 2022 we built our forever home and love the town. We're dog owners who use the
off -leash dog park nearly every day. With the high number of dogs in town, including those
with visitors, I would love to see the dog park improved and increased in size. Please be
aware that recently golf balls are appearing in the dog park. These are dangerous to the
dogs. It's not clear if these balls are coming from people playing at the golf course. It is clear
golf and dogs don't mix. If any part of the golf course is to survive, the off -leash dog park
shouldn't be near golfers. I'm not in favor of using the donated golf course public land for
820 7/30/2023 affordable housing. As the land appears to have been donated with the condition of use for
public recreation, that contract needs to be respected. I think the council would just be
inviting numerous lawsuits if the land is re -zoned. As for the current and future of the golf
course I'm not sure it should survive. We drive by the golf course almost daily. We've rarely
seen anyone playing golf— maybe 10 people over the last 14 months. I've been inside the
golf club house a few times. The building is dated, empty, and uninviting. The women's
bathroom has photos ofthe Port Townsend Women's Golf club, but the photos were taken
long before covid— maybe 6-7 yrs. ago, suggesting the club is no long active. A few of my
friends and I went to the newly opened restaurant on the golf club grounds. Like the rest of
the club house, the restaurant area is dated, uninviting, and we were the only patrons. The
menu & open hours are extremely limited. Additionally, I can't find any advertising informing
the Port Townsend community of its existence, suggesting the owner plans on primarily
serving golfers. Overall, the golf club appears to have become a private club, for a few
privileged residents, supported mostly bytaxpayer revenue. Club members have known fora
have not yet expressed my opinion on the golf course. I live at Rosewind, a short distance
821 8/22/2023 from the golf course. On several occasions I've had the pleasure of cross-country skiing on the
course, when it was unusable by golfers. I would like to feel freer to make use of this lovely
space to walk, picnic, relax outdoors.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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Please,let's change the use so everyone in Port Townsend can enjoy the property there
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
When we first moved to Port Townsend my wife and I were taking a walk and sought to find a
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
way to get from San Juan and Discovery to uptown without all the noise of cars climbing the
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
hills. We were disappointed to see the signs on the trails that proclaimed they were for
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golfers only, y, particularly since we very rarely saw golfers using the course (which is still the
case.) With the likely development of the property at the same intersection, bringing a green
space that we can all enjoy online will give those residents easy access to recreation, and
perhaps encourage development of other, denser housing options.
It is important to me that MANY PT citizens have access to this property, which is supported
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by ALL of our tax dollars, not just a few folks playing with their balls (pun intended0)
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
No one has surveyed me so I'd like to add my vote for keeping the golf course. We have lots
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
of parks already. Please renew their lease NOW. I want to see the property maintained as it
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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has been. Please don't let it go to seed while the city ties it up. Don't let this resource for out
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
town go. The plan for development of a Central Park is unreasonable and unwanted.
Please leave the golf course alone. There are far more pressing issues in PT than satisfying a
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
few people's desire to have a park near their home, so they aren't inconvenienced having to
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
travel a mile or so to an existing park. We also don't need to destroy habitat & open spaces
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
to line the pockets of local realtors. What are the chances affordable housing will actually be
built on this property? More likely high-priced homes. I am sure environmental groups, such
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as the Nature Conservancy, will have something to say about the encroachment or loss of the
remaining prairie on the course. And what does the Environmental Impact Study have to say
about developing this land? Far better to and fiscally responsible to establish a longer lease
and encourage a course operator to come in and invest in necessary repairs. This doesn't
have to be a world class tournament level course, just a place for people to enjoy. And I am
not a golfer.
For 100 years, a very small group of people has been given the opportunity to use a prime
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
swath of public land in the heart of Port Townsend for their own pleasure. Those ends may
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
not be in the least bit nefarious, but they have excluded the rest of the community. "Green
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
open space" is space that all people are free to enjoy; it is not space that people are asked
not to roam so that a small group of people can continue to play their sport. I support efforts
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to move on from the golf course, and to make the land accessible to all. I also support
devoting a small portion of the land to low-income housing for people of all ages, including
families like my renter neighbors with three kids who may soon be forced to leave Port
Townsend. I do feel that funding is a major issue. A tax increase to convert the land for other
uses is not going to fly. If you can find the funding to move on, I'm all for it. Otherwise, an
alternative might be to let the land go wild, with a few trails and a caregiver in place, and use
funding for the caregiver and affordable housing.
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I am not a native PT person and neither is my husband. We fell in love with PT back in the Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
late 1990s during repeated visits to the West Coast Sea Kayak Symposium. We could not get Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
it out of our souls after that first visit. We always wanted to retire here but we were afraid planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
we could not afford it, but the stars aligned and we found a spot in 2018. We are working
class folk, not fancy, and want to keep PT as special as we can. Once we are gone, we hope
others can find the magic here that we have. We cherish the many, manytrails and the
awesome accessible beaches. Oh, the environment, the wildlife, the natural beauty. The
quirkiness of the town and its citizens. That said, we do not golf. But we drive, walk or ride
bikes by the Golf Course every day. We value that open space, the views of the golfers
827 8/22/2023 enjoying their hobby. That place just helps me breathe better, like looking out at the view
from a hill or out to the water. Please leave it as is. I do not understand why so many covet it
for their sports, their picnics, their children, their dogs, their needs—whatever they are.
Leave it be. It is precious even in its scruffiness. PT is scruffy and should remain so. It is part
of its charm and part of the hazing... if you can't handle the potholes, the eccentricities, the
deer, the refusal to become what practically every other place has become, then move along.
Yes, change is inevitable but this kind of change... just say no. Let the golfers have their
beloved neighborhood course. We can be that generous.
828 8/22/2023 1 support efforts to find a good plan for modifying the golf course so that it affords a greater Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
breadth of activities, includes some low income housing, and stops losing money. Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
829 8/22/2023 This is a hot topic and the citizens should have the right to vote on it, Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
There is a huge swath of land in the middle of our town that virtually nobody uses. I also suspect
that in order to maintain, they use chemical fertilizers and weed killers which are so unhealthy. It
will be very difficult to find someone to manage it as it needs so much work and is falling apart. It
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seems wasteful for the city to pay for repairs to run a money loosing operation that not many
people use. There is a small but vocal minority that opposes turning the space into a park that
can (and will) be used by the whole community. I really appreciate you all for taking a stand and
opposing this. It must be difficult to have to deal with the anger and vitriol. Thank you for doing
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Fix the roads, fix the sewers, please be responsible with people's money, it's not yours to
throw away.
It is beautiful, peaceful for all to enjoy, space needed in life for everyone, stop spending so
much money to do something most do not want you to do. I have written before, so many
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thoughts, wondering who will benefit from what you are trying to do /the changes, into
whose pockets is money going? Please, please leave it alone
I have been following the proposed changes to the golf course and support the plan discussed
at the Stakeholders meeting a few weeks ago. During that discussion there were a couple
good suggested changes to the diagram by shrinking the size of the proposed apartment
building on the corner of Walker and Blaine, allowing for expansion of the Prairie
space. Permanent affordable housing along Blaine and the more southern section of San
Juan is a good use of that land. Turning the mowed grass into a natural habitat with trails
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would be wonderful. I have lived in Port Townsend for almost 30 years and have long wished
to just once see the pond that is hidden on the golf course, with no admittance signs barring
access. It would be an amazing experience to sit along there, watching the birds and other
wildlife enjoying that habitat. If the changes do get approved, I hope that the housing portion
will be made permanently affordable, with no way for it to change in the future.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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Hi city council members l live a few blocks walking distance from the golf course property. I Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
have never had access to that property in the 25 years that I have resided in Port Townsend. Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
834 8/22/2023 How are 17 -year-old granddaughter also resides with us. She feels there are very few planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
opportunities for young people in the community to recreate. Our entire family feel that the
best use of the current golf course property would be for multi use for the youth and many -
residents of the community. Thank you for listening to my concerns.
I would like to express my support for any plan allowing multiple use of the golf course. Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
835 8/22/2023 Allowing the golf course to serve only golfers seems to me to be both exclusive and non- Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
inclusive. Time to share the city resources with people who want to use the space for other planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
things in addition to golf.
Please vote to convert the golf course to a multi -use space that can be used by more than just Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
836 8/22/2023 a handful of people at a time. Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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I wish to make my desire for a multi use golf course known. It is not right that a few are
blocking all proposals for the golf course. There are others, besides the very few, who would
like to see a multi purpose golf course.
My recommendations are as follows: Plat the golf course property south end for low income
housing with specific strictures built into the zoning. I assume that's possible. Incentivize
private developers to build that. Rewild the rest of the property expanding Kai Tai praire
using minimal funds. Keep the existing club house and former dining area and upgrade them
with grant money. Remove the pool. It serves very few and promises to be an expensive
proposition as you know. Let golfers use Disco Bay club. It's nearby and maintained well.
Don't let the city cave to the vocal golf minority, and let's skip fancy projects.
I support modifying the golf course in a way that would allow uses other than golfing.
Thank you for your deep consideration of these matters and listening to the majority
Thanks
I wanted to add my voice to the list of Port Townsend residents who would like the golf
course to be turned into a multi -use park that all of us could enjoy. Not just the few golfers in
the community.
Dear folks, please approve multiple uses for golf course, while preserving much of its open
green space for walking and wildlife (and some expansion of restored prairie and native
plants). Thank you.
Please consider a hybrid/shared use solution for the golf—ruse.
I just would like to add my vote towards saving the golf course in Port Townsend. I have
always enjoyed playing with friends, but most importantly it has helped my kids learn the
value of honesty to themselves when learning how to play, which has made them better
people in our community and abroad. Please don't take away something that would be hard
to replace. Please keep the golf course in Port Townsend.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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I have looked at the latest presentation from the City Engage PT Stakeholder's meeting on Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
7/31, and it puzzles me. I think this is the draft response for the City Council request for an Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
alternate plan for the golf course property. So I suppose this is still a concept, not a proposal planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
yet. But if the new option for September 25th will look much like this, I want to share my
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concerns. These aspects puzzle or trouble me: 1) in the new concept sculptures dot the area,
although art generated little interest in the surveys. Sadly public art in P.T. generates a lot of
local hate. As an artist and art lover, I reluctantly suggest that we just don't go there. 2) the
trail shown circling the pond is inside the wetland buffer and would threaten wildlife. I think
the trail is too close, and surrounding the pond leaves no retreat for migrating ducks except
flight when they need rest. Nesting birds in the rushes will be disturbed by walkers. Birders
would love a viewing platform, but the trail needs to be set back further from the water. 3)
the last minute addition of 40+ housing units to the mix seems to be a fixture, but 40+ units
takes up a lot of space. Why this many? Is 44 is a special number to developers? Is it a make
or break number financially for low-cost housing federal funding? I don't know. But forty plus
units removes a very large part of the green space that we must hold precious as we lose
surrounding privately owned empty lots. I thought the golf enthusiasts were deceptive in
their promotion when they equated green space with golf, but now I am worried. Maybe they
were right: maybe we cannot manage commitment to open space for its own sake. Does the
pressure to build really require an dedicated minority use in order to keep us from paving this
property? I don't want to be paranoid, and I do want to trust in the good faith of all involved,
I am NOT a golfer and have never used the pool in the 23 years I've lived here But«I am a
resident concerned with out of control spending by the city and what seems to be a blatant
disregard for the opinions of a major segment of the population. I would support
improvements to both for nominal costs, but if the city proceeds with the major things
currently proposed without a vote of the population, they had better expect some serious
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
protests.
I was happy to see the map labelled''Potential Site Organization'' on page 8 of the ppt/pdf
from the July 31 stakeholder mtg. I support preservation of the pond, the prairie, and the
woodland along the diagonal east edge of the property, as well as the bird blind. As the
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Conservation Chair of Admiralty Audubon, I'm sure we can provide expert advice on plans to
connect habitats, exact siting of the paths and the viewing blind, and types of trees and
vegetation to plant. I assume that Sentinel Rock and the Chetzemoka statue will remain.
Thank you for your hard work to address this parcel!
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I've been a full-time PT resident for over 32 years. Please don't change the golf course or
impose a pool tax.
I am against developing the golf course. I am against removing the lombardy poplars along
San Juan and 19th/Blaine to build houses that I do not believe will benefit very many low
income people but rather will benefit the developer, the real estate agents, and newcomers
who will jack up the housing prices even further than they already are. Meanwhile, workers
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who can't afford the rents or to buy a house are forced to leave town. I believe there are
special interests in local government who do not care what the tax payers think about this
whole issue. This town has already been destroyed by special interests promoting it
wherever they can. LEAVE THE GOLF COURSE ALONEHHH
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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I recently learned of the May 24, 2023 report by David Hein, labeled"Recommendation and Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Analysis Concerning the Golf Course," which is posted on the city's website. Simply, the Hein Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
report concludes that for approximately$350k the golf course can be significantly improved, planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
to a point satisfactory to encourage and support more play, and make the grounds suitable
for other community activities as well. The Hein report was commissioned by Groundswell,
paid for by the city, and presented to the council this past spring. The Horner proposal from
850 8/24/2023 the Players Group is very similar to Mr.Hein's analysis. From my work with the golfing
community I think it is likely that that amount of funds can be raised privately, without the
need to access city funds. I encourage you to carefully read and accept the recommendations
from David Hein and Robert Horner. Please support this approach on what to do with the golf
course property. At the very least, give us a year to develop a detailed plan for your
consideration.
851 8/24/2023 Please save out golf course.
First, let me say thank you for all the hard work you, the Parks Department and the City
staffers have put into the contentious golf course issue. They don't pay you enough to take
the abuse that is routinely tossed your way. I believe the public process you put in place to
garner public opinion on what to do with our aging golf course has been thoughtful and
thorough. I am sorry the pro -golf course folks who do not like the fact that the majority of
citizens want us to do something that serves all of us have attacked not only the process, but
many of you personally. This smacks of the far right folks—if you don't like and answer, get
really loud and use attack tactics to swamp your "enemy." I strongly support converting our
little -used golf course into a big beautiful Central Park with multi -uses and affordable
housing. We cannot bend to the will of the handful of old retirees who use the golf course
and keep this little -used resource all for themselves. In Sequim, Blake Park is an excellent
852 example of what a community can do with a similarly -sized piece of land. Sequim's park
serves all the people—gardeners, walkers/runners, sports people, dog owners, concert goers,
bikers, Pickleballers, skateboarders, little kids, picnickers, even wildlife. It uses recycled water
so doesn't drain increasingly precious water resources. Much of the infrastructure has been
built—and paid for --overtime by community groups like the Rotary and citizens like dog
owners. Unlike PT's little -used golf course, all year Blake Park is used by see folks young and
old. Too often people, especially older folks, are completely resistant to change. That's been
evident with the pro -golfers. They want to keep the golf course exactly like it is by claiming it's
"historic." We don't need more historic. We need facilities that respond to changes in our
community. We need greenspace that everyone can and will use. It takes courage and
leadership to make bold changes. Please stay the course and lead us into a bright future with
a lovely park all of us can use.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Please leave it just as it is. Across the street we see thew Cherry Street house sitting unusable Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
853 8/23/2023 as an example of foolishness by out elected leaders Thank you. Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
Please read yourjob descriptions. You are legally bound to maintain infrastructure. You do
not NEED to spend taxpayer money on anything that doesn't address public safety and
infrastructure. Stop spending taxpayer dollars to pay consultants foryour fun amusement
854 8/24/2023 park building projects. Stop screwing with the golf course, and the small-town vibe of Port
Townsend. If you want to spend our money, fix the roads, do something about the
burgeoning deer population, attract more businesses that provide jobs forthe community,
and encourage the AirBnB renters to rent to locals instead. Use your brains, not our money.
Get creative. Do yourjobs.
I support modifying the present golf course property, to allow for multipurpose use that
855 8/26/2023 would include more members of our community. Engaging in outdoor activities is most
important for our mental and physical well-being.
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Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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I have seen several posts from people who want to maintain the golf course. Please consider
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turning that into some type of park. Maybe with the separate driving range. But the pool may
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
be a separate issue. In any case we desperately need a pool in this town for individual such as
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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myself who rely on it for physical therapy and exercise. The pool typically has 2 to 3 swimmers
and each lap lane circle swimming.Thank you for considering my thoughts
I writing to advocate for keeping the Port Townsend golf course as this is what the owners
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before PT owned it wanted the use of this land. If money was put in to improve it and
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
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maintain it, more people would play there. You could add a foot golf course along side the
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
holes if possible to add to others being able to play.
I live a few blocks walking distance from the golf course property. I have never had access to
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that property in the 25 years that I have resided in Port Townsend. How are 17-year-old
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
granddaughter also resides with us. She feels there are very few opportunities foryoung
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
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people in the community to recreate. Our entire family feel that the best use ofthe current
golf course property would be for multi use forthe youth and many-residents of the
community. Thank you for listening to my concerns.
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we support multi-use forthe future of the City golf course. Save and provide access to this
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central Green Space for ALL PT residents to enjoy!
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
It seems that next door and the leader have been publishing a LOT of pro golf course
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opinions, but we want you to know that we do NOT agree with them. There is another golf
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
course 15 minutes south of town! I don't know why this isn't brought up when discussing
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
plans. I used to use the pool regularly before covid, but it lost it's good teachers and doesn't
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have the type of fitness classes that it used to have so I don't go now, but I certainly would go
if we had a new pool! There is no other pool in PT or nearby. There is no other choice. There
is a big beautiful multiuse park in sequim and I would love it if we had that. It serves a much
wider population that a golf course with it's monoculture. I also support affordable housing as
part of the plan.
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I'm writing to urge the city to retain the golf course My family moved to Port Townsend when Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
I was ten. I started playing golf at the local course (then known as Spring Valley GC) the Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
following year and went on to play on the high school golf team for four years. When l look planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
back at those years I think about how convenient it was to live in a community where I could
walk or ride a bike to a variety of activities. In addition to the local golf course I spent my
summers participating in a variety of youth activities that were held at places like Fort
Warden, Chetzemoka Park, Memorial Field, the rec center and the swimming pool. All of
these locations were easily accessible for me as I never needed my parents to drive me to
anywhere. Without our local course junior golfers will have less opportunity to learn and
develop a passion for the game of golf. Junior memberships are available for only $40 a
month which could equate to $4 per round if a person played ten times a month. While
adults can drive to play at Discovery Bay it is more difficult for kids with limited options for
transportation if they have both parents working during the day and even after they're
861 8/23/2023 eligible to drive at age 16 they may not be able to afford their own car. A golf course like this
is vital to help introduce new players of all ages to the game of golf as it challenges the more
advanced players but is also not too intimidating for beginners. The report from the National
Golf Foundation questioned whether or not Port Townsend can support the course but I
remember when our population was closerto 6,000 than 10,000 and the course was not in
great shape in the mid 1980's. The city brought in a new operator from Sequim who installed
the irrigation system, added a driving range, and made other improvements with some
financial support from the city. This helped revitalize the course, attracted more golfers, and
led to more fund raising tournaments being held. One part of the discussion has been since
local high school students favored housing over golf in a poll we need to prioritize the needs
of our future residents. I would question this because the local students aren't necessarily
going to be permanent residents in the future. For small towns the size of Port Townsend
hasn't it always been true that the majority of the young people leave town and move on
with their lives afterthey graduate high school? The reality of our small town economy is
The reality of our small town economy is that for many careers the job opportunities will be Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
in bigger cities like Seattle or Portland. Having attended and graduated from Port Townsend Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
High School I can attest to this. Housing affordability is a critical issue locally as it is in planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
communities across the state but this a separate issue from the decision about the future use
of the golf course property. At a community meeting in support of retaining the course there
were local residents who don't play golf but were strongly in favor of keeping the course as it
is and not putting housing on it. The central location of the course is something that makes
Port Townsend unique compared to othertowns and is a historic asset. One thing to consider
861 8/23/2023 is that over 50 years ago Poulsbo once had a golf course near Highway 305 which was
developed into what is now Poulsbo Village Shopping Center. What used to be open green
space there is now paved over with retail developments and permanently altered. I would
support options for giving the community opportunities to access the golf course property.
Unlike courses like Port Ludlow or Whitehorse in Kingston which have a network of trails
around the perimeter in a wooded area this is a challenge because the course is bordered by
city streets on all sides and also due to the danger of being hit by a golf ball but options like
opening the property for residents to walk on trails during certain hours when golf is not
being played should be considered along with options like disc golf.
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According to John Mauro, the only mission Staff (w/Consultants) are on right now is the one Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
that Council has asked of them at the July 17 h meeting: To create another plan WITHOUT a Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
COURSE, but, with a'nod'to golf and it's history. It's basically a'modified Central Park' Plan. planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
It's a Park plan with Council's preferred amenities stated at that meeting, but, WITHOUT a
COURSE -as the Central Park Plan has always been about. Calling it a'Hybrid Hybrid' just
creates confusion as a'Hybrid Plan' ALL ALONG for the past year has referred to a plan which
KEPT the COURSE with preferred amenities. (A Hybrid hybrid would simply be a'modified'
Hybrid plan that KEEPS the COURSE w/preferred amenities - which is what the Stakeholders
and Park Board asked for). Mayor Faber didn't say it at this past meeting at the Clubhouse,
but, the plan 'charged' by Council (the Mayor's motion) to be drawn up, and is the only one
currently on the agenda to be presented at the Council workshop coming up, DOES NOT
862 8/30/2023 INCLUDE A GOLF COURSE, with all respect, Libby. This is why those supporting the Central
Park Plan were celebrating after Council voted for the Mayor's motion and voted down Ben's
motion. As many of us realized after that meeting, no plan will be drawn up KEEPING the
COURSE with the added time and $$ spent on Consultants, there were those celebrating that
no Consultant Plan going forward will include KEEPING THE COURSE. Perhaps, Council can
direct staff to allow the Horner Plan (which IS a'modified' Hybrid Plan) to also be added to
the workshop agenda with a presentation, as suggested by one of your Stakeholders with her
well spoken and thoughtful comment at the Clubhouse meeting. As she said, this would be a
better balance of fairness for the community's desires and for community goodwill. I THINK I
heard that staff makes the agenda??. Amy mentioned the agenda isn't complete or made up
yet, so maybe whoever makes it could add it? There's still time.
I know I've been 'vociferous' and at times considered 'acrimonious' but, I ask - please allow
the Golf Club a proper presentation, also, instead of just adding it to the packet for
consideration as just another one of the multitudes of scribbled plans John stated has been
sent to Council over the year. This isn't 'just another plan' and we ask for Council and Staff to
seriously give it some consideration. Maybe even ask Groundswell to work with the Golf Club
members on Horner's Plan as Chris once said he'd be up for doing at a Stakeholder Meeting if
862 8/30/2023 Council asked. I know John is'loathe'to have you allow this presentation on an agenda, as he
said, but, please remember -you can insist on it - maybe at this Monday evening's meeting.
And, thank all of you for sounding/seeming open to still choosing to KEEP the COURSE, after
all, and giving many of us hope once again. You all scared and bummed out many of us at
that July 17th meeting! Letting us all know at the clubhouse meeting that you WILL still
consider a'Hybrid' plan that keeps the course is a wonderful turn -around and a respected
move on your part.
863 8/29/2023 We don't want the expense of a new pool on any part of the golf course.
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We are strongly opposed to changing the use of the PT Golf Course. The city government is
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not taking care of what we already have our roads are a mess and an
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embarrassment there is a lack of street lighting all overtown....the gazebo
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
in Chetzamoka park is aging and needs care the landscaping that was planted at the Rainier
St turnabout is dying of thirst (trees on the east side) and care of right-of-way areas has
been shifted to the citizens. If you can't manage what you already have, what makes you
think you should take on more? You are not representing the wishes ofthe people of Port
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Townsend! We have a great golf course that gets lots of use, leave it alone! There are many
golfers here in town. Golf's popularity is on the rise ....if the course were managed with an
eye toward growth and improvement, it could really be a draw for regional golfers. We
already have sufficient walking trails in and around town all of Fort Warden, all our
beaches, Cappy's Trails, the Larry Scott Trail. We have a dog park and the fair grounds for
dog walkers. As for housing development the golf course is just NOTthe spot for that!
Speaking out as property owners here in PT since 2009, we strongly oppose changing the use
of the PT Golf Course.
First of all, I appreciate all the effort behind your attention and time with this controversy. It
Thank you so much foryour input forthis community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
is good to hearyou had time to tourthe sites in question last week. I submitted comments
Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
last week to the council but would like to share with you the editorial I sent to the Leader.
planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
Respectfully submitted by a concerned citizen who adds my vote to extend the golf course
lease. 1. 1 Vote to Save the Golf Course. I have been a full-time resident of Port Townsend
since 1980 and a volunteer maintenance manager of the Kan Tai Prairie Preserve since the
1990's. This preserve is INSIDE of the golf course. I have witnessed firsthand how active and
busythe golf course remains and the amount of work required daily to maintain the grounds.
While following the Envision planning process I have gained great respect for all the
discussions and passion for this land. 2. Surveys and editorials indicate the majority of citizens
want to save the GEM of our city (42% Central Park, 33% Golf Course, 18% hybrid). This is not
just old people but by native citizens, scientists, architects, previous mayors, previous city
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council members, previous city planners, previous Leader editors, business owners, attorneys,
environmentalists, consultants, golfers, dog owners, and long term and newly arrived Port
Townsend residents. 3.. Has the City considered upgrading areas within the 72 acres of the
Kan Tai Lagoon for a Central Park. This could be designed outside ongoing restoration areas.
This area is non-native soil that consists of fill is degraded and would be ideal forthe dog
park, paved pickle ball courts, and playgrounds. The golf course historically contained
expansive prairies and consists of black prairie soil. 4. Has the City investigated selling the
abandoned Cherry Street building that was floated in from Victory BC intended for low-
income housing. Funds could be used to upgrade the golf course, purchase land for low-
income housing, or the Central Park. Low-income density housing could be constructed on
other vacant blocks of land in the City. It will be good to evaluate the success of Evans Vista,
and at one time there were plans for low-income housing at corner of San Juan and F Street.
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Golf course will be a patch of weeds and I will vote you all out!!!
Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
City of Part Townsend GOWCourse Comment Ling
Comment Response to Comment
Comment Date Comment Summary
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It seems that next door and the leader have been publishing a LOT of pro golf course Thank you so much for your input for this community discussion about the Port Townsend Golf Course and
opinions, but we want you to know that we do NOT agree with them. We support a multi- Mountain View Commons. I have logged your comments and will share them with the City Council and
use park and affordable housing if possible. It would serve a much wider population than the planning team for their consideration. Thank you so much for taking the time to send your thoughts.
golf course alone. I used to use the pool regularly before covid, but after covid it lost the
good teachers and doesn't have the type of fitness classes that it used to have so I don't go
now, but I certainly would go if we had a new pool! There is no other pool in PT or nearby.
There is no other choice. There is another golf course 15 minutes south of town! I don't
know why this isn't brought up when discussing plans. There is no other pool. My sister in
867 9/3/2023 law and her husband belong to a fitness center in a suburb of denver. It has a beautiful pool,
workout rooms, classrooms and meeting areas. Individual trainers can meet their clients
there and do classes and individual sessions. There is a park around it. They use it almost
every day! It would be wonderful if we had something like that. My only question is the roads
and pot hole and affordable housing. Does the money for the roads come out of the same
bucket as this park money would? If so, we should fix the roads. Would money for the park
take away money for affordable housing? A lot of people are saying that it's either/or.
Would you please clarify?
Small Group Meetings Feedback
November 2022 — January 2023
Black Lives Matter JC ( 4 participants)
• Center of town, connection with farming, resilience
• Interested in climate change
• Prairie, history needs to be considered.
• Affordabe housing needed
• Community space: open, outdoor, gathering areas
• Community garden
• BIPOC and Queer: need physical space
• Work with tribes on how best to use the land.
• Food Resiliency
• Space should be used in multi -generational way, accessibility for all
• Community gathering area, add a community kitchen
• Consultation with the land itself, possible give back to tribes
• Envision this space for the next 50 years
• Honor the camas field.
• Access to community/arts/third place
• Open natural space in the middle of town: free yoga, cligong, youth activities, accessible art
Parks, Recreation, Tree, Trails Advisory Board, Port Townsend ( seven participants)
• Whatever the plan is, we need to make sure that there is some enforcement or teeth behind
managing Hasting pond and wetland.
• For feedback and increased public engagement, consider Nextdoor, repetitive announcements,
PDN, PT Leader, Library.
• The advisory board would like to volunteer to do intercept events around town.
Recovery Cafe: ( four participants)
• Make it similar to HJ Carrol park
• Add a childrens and seniors walk/trails/accessibility
• Environmental education
• Picnic tables/benches
• We have two other golf courses in this area, make this property accessible to all, not just golfers.
• It feels like a private club on city land.
• Create something to benefit the whole community
• Create connections: to/from Kah Tai
• Outdoor gathering areas/theater/movies
• Affordable housing
• Add water features
• Keep the prairie
• Community gardens
• Employment for young people
• Social sustainability: jobs, housing, amenities.
• Best practices from other communities
• Grow food!
Jefferson County Parks and Trails Commission ( 6 people)
• Connection to Kah Tai important
• Personal significance: the golf course
• Generate income for nonprofits through golf course
• Expand it for the usage for other amenities
• Accommodate more uses than just golf
• Only affordable golf course around, Keep it affordable
• Usage feels exclusive
• There are a lot of other golf courses nearby
• Desperately need an artificial turf soccer field, massive turnouts in the summer for soccer
Local sports groups( 4 people)
• Avid birder: valuable habitat for winter waterfowl. Same as Kah Tai.
• Skiing in the winter
• Use the gym, and used to use basketball courts outside but they were taken out. Also, athletic
field was taken out.
• Play pickleball
• Need Sport fields
• A lot of opportunity has been taken away: Le. dog park took away field. When Salish Coast was
built: five fields taken away
• Major demand on Blue Heron.
• Memorial Field is used by youth.
• 200-300 kids for fall and spring soccer
• Salish Coast Elem school: field is not avail for public
• City does not own an athletic field. Most sports happen at HJ Carroll: 3 sizes.
• A lot of interest in turf fields, expanding use to year around. County closes fields in mid-October.
• Need lights on the turf fields.
• Golf course is like a private club. there is a great course at Discovery Bay
• Lights, even without turf, opens up options for adults when they get off work.
• Bicycles/walking trails
• Bicycle skills areas: jumping, golf course perfect because of grades; bike jumping ( ie.
Bellingham, Canada)
Maritime Center ( 2 people)
• Don't see a direct connection to their mission
• This golf discussion: old versus new. The new always win, the old loses.
• Aren't there Other opportunities to golf? Cost?
• Miniature, pitch and putt
• Par 3
• Housing
Rotary ( 20 people)
• 95 years of operations
• Question: highest and best use of property: community outreach, stakeholders process: pool
• Question: Are there deed restrictions that call out that it needs to be used as a gold course?
• Answer: The deed restrictions only list the land as used for municipal purposes.
• 59 acre consultant: stated it was a jewel in the middle of town.
• What about an MPD?
• Lots of research , combine the projects
• Golf course study: Usable space at the golf course, keep 9 holes, open to suggestion
• Question: Can you close the golf course a couple days a week and open it up for walking?
• Answer: The golf course is not sustainable now, and in order for it to be sustainable, it would
need to operate 7 days/wk.
• Rotarians: Number issue: keep in perspective, community needs multiple activities: pickleball,
boating, cross country skiing, dog parks, golf.
• No signage for golf course
• Use for open space should be determined by the future
• It needs to be open space, prairie,
• Mountain View property: community center, develop this plan to a humble approach, the Y
project was brought down because it was pretty ambitious.
• Dog park, needs a stewardship group
• Recyclery: in need on the margins
• Centrally located on bus line, accessible, price is right, not a membership.
• Pool: Doesn't have to have everything. Regulation size lap, deep water area, good building,
doesn't have to have water slide.
• Golf course left alone self sustaining asset
• Mountain View: improve on it
Chamber ( 1 person)
• Members have a split perspective
• Place making perspective: Recreation for families: we don't have this. No central area for
families
• People don't come here to play golf, its only 9 holes. If I am going to spend money and time to
play golf: I will go to the two other courses.
• Mini golf, driving rage: yes.
• 9 hole golf course: not a destination course. We have two 18 hole courses within 30 minutes.
• Population shifting, more people here under 50, people who have been here for a long time
don't see it, the change.
• Can't market it, 9 hole course is not attractive
• We could possible bundle it, but it is not a draw.
• Golf as a sport hasn't carried on through the generations: the city cannot fix that.
• The Chamber has not received a question in four years, " where is the golf course"?
• Golf course operator or Golfers have never asked us to save the course ... never use the tools for
marketing. They list their events, but don't use the tools.
• Need a family gathering area. Quality of life for families. Economic development component,
more than a tourist community, something the residents can use: walking trails, light up trails.
• Golf only improves quality of life for some people, not the majority of people.
• Keep the restaurant/bar/music/create a band stand, complement For Worden.
• Vision : place making.
UCCF (3 people)
• Trails — create connection trails so people can use this land.
• Affordable housing —we need more housing in town.
• Something like Greenlake in Seattle — par 3 course, or mini golf.
• Need area to conduct outside church
• Meditation place
• Green Space
• Similar to HJ Carrol
• Repurpose space
• If golf courses were to stay, put in disc golf, so there is more variety
• With climate change and water usage, seems use of a lot of resources for the golf course
• Scottish golf course: open space, free, all natural, community course
• Community Gardens
• Grow food for foodbank
TransJeff ( 1 person)
• Housing — need more
• Need safe gathering spaces
• Accessible green space
• Centrally located, could be nice for everyone in town.
• Safe area
• Love having the space
• Kah Tai/Golf Course, navigate around them right now ... need to create Kah Tai to be safe, and
Golf Course to be open.
Kiwanis (25-30 people)
• Keep the golf course, but figure out how to open it up for walkers.
• Multi -use with golf
• Lots of questions about MPD. Taxes, bonding.
• Shouldn't the community decide on the land use if it impacts taxes?
• How are we going to phase it?
• Are we going to create big grand plans that are not achievable?
• If we do create a phasing plan, can we keep the golf course open until the very end?
• When considering the finances, consider the funds that get donated to nonprofits from golf
tournament.
• Use existing open space to its maximum capacity. We don't need more open space in town.
Salish Coast elementary parent pick up: ( 60-70 people)
• Passed out 50 flyers for open house
• Community garden
• Open to every body in the community
• Affordable housing
• JUMP inclusive playground
• Trails and connections
• Pump track
• Keep golf course
• Activities for kids
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SMALL USER GROUP MEETINGS
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To: Carrie Hite Topic: Stakeholder small group Date: 11/15/2022
Meetings
Location: City Hall Project: PT Golf Course/Mt. View Time: 9:00am-2:45pm
9:00 — 9:30am: PTA
Annie Bartos- Co -Presidents -one position open
Candace Mangold — Vice President
• Golf course property is in close proximity to the schools (High School, Middle School) and well
positioned to become a hub for kid activities
• Kids use the pool and bike around the campus
o Sports at rec center/ Rec league bball happens at Mt. View
o Currently no swim lessons available
• Needs additional connector bike lanes to feel more safe
• Teaching children an ethic of public space
• Greenlake is a good example of a community park with bathhouse and theatre
• PT parks could use more nature play opportunities for kids
• Good opportunity to include community garden
o Nurture the idea of growing food
• YMCA is the only after school care program in town
• Library has a kids hour
• Important for the town to have public spaces that kids feel comfortable and welcomed
• Community center uptown is in rough shape
9:45 — 10:15: Agricultural Perspective
Celine Santiago — Port Townsend Preservation Alliance
John Gunning — Colinwood Farm
• Sustainable farming is supported by a small population; we should leave something for them
• Vision of providing an education center on the GC prop.
o Center could provide community space, environmental education programs, sustainable
farming, art opportunities, trade learning opportunities
o Provide space to prepare community/ young people for the kind of environment this will
be in 50 years
o Kingston Library is an example of this working well
• Leave a legacy for the next generation
o Bring people together
• Port Townsend community is splintered; need to help people thing holistically about the future
• GC prop should be better connected
o Bridge connection to future shy acre farm development
o Mimic agricultural landscape on fringes of property
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• Expanding permaculture - there is a lack of understanding
• Succession plan for farm properties
o Train next generation of farmers
o Farm survey indicated farmers make about $5-$7/hr.
• Transition plan for GC property
• Housing is a community need
• Do not see a lot of golfers on a day-to-day basis
• Plan should be intentionally intergenerational
o Include play area, youth space etc.
10:30 — 11:00am: Fort Worden Public Development Authority
David Timmons- PDA Executive Director
David King- PDA board member
• Golfers feel empowered as if they own the golf course
• Golf club is only about +/- 100 people. Many have aged out.
• Additional group of people who don't golf but will be supportive of the golf course remaining
because it has always been there
• Golf course well has now been connected. Water has high sodium content and may require re-
seeding the course
• Plan for Mt View to be city/county campus
o Moving police dept/ food bank/ nonprofits to Mt. View was significant effort that they feel;
was successful
• History of golf course being under poor management
• There have been other past attempts to discuss transitioning the gold course to a different use
o Golfers have shown up angry and entitled in past public forums
• Would like to see the property become a city park.
• Prior efforts attempted to create one parcel.
• EPA study was conducted on site previously. Identified funding opportunities.
11:15 — 11:45am: Olympic Pride
Ellen Michael Caldwell - Executive Director
Kate Mack- Assistant Director
Cyndi- Volunteer
• Would like a space for youth to hang out
o youth programming
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o safe and inclusive space
• Larger outdoor spaces
o Last years pride event brought around 600 people
• Important to create and support intersectional open space
• Community center space for youth
11:45 — 12:15am: Housing Support Network (HSN)
Liz Revord - Network Director of HSN
Jane Armstrong
Jaime Maciejewski— Executive Director of Habitat for Humanity of East Jefferson County
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• Looking at the greatest community good
• Port Townsend has a significant housing crisis
o Very limited affordable housing
o All age groups/ demographics affected
o It is difficult to fill positions at many jobs because people often cannot afford or find a
place to live in town
• Would like to see a portion of the gold course property considered for housing
1:30 — 2:OOom: Golf Club
Tim Caldwell
George
Bruce
Tim
Lynn
Jim
Michael
Barb Matter
• Concern about length of lease
• Thinks open house is a bad format
• Neither side is looking at this as a community problem
• Feels as if none of the other stakeholders in this process have anything to lose
• City has not given the opportunity for more than 3 -year lease
• Suggestions for making GC more economically viable
o The new well. No more city water
■ Will still need supplemental water due to losses through system
o Gold course management team with 7 -year lease
o Well-maintained grounds
o A professional marketing plan and support from City and Chamber of Commerce
o Programs/ special discounts to entice new golfers, women, teens, and tourists
o Collaboration with PT lodging for package deals with the golf course
o A good clubhouse restaurant and downstairs conference room to rent out
• Ideas for property to be more inclusive of the community
o Replace community garden on corner of 19th and San Juan Ave
o Compatible recreational activities of specific holes, one day a week
o Putt -putt built on chipping range
o Open to walkers, night sky groups in evening after course closes
o Walk, bicycle paths
o Driving range- a covered tee area
o Plant native prairie grass along perimeter of roadside fairways
2:15 — 2:45am: Food Bank
Randy
Pamela
Mark
Doug
• Needs of homeless community
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2. Access to showers/laundry facilities
3. Free mailboxes
4. Facilitator services
• Concentration of services
o Increase convenience of using facilities
• Appreciate proximity to open space
• Important to activate public space
• Warming Center
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Recommendation and Analysis
Port Townsend Golf Course
Prepared by David Hein
May 24, 2023
Table Of Contents
SUMMARY OF CURRENT STATUS
Purpose of Evaluation
Evaluation Process and Information Basis
Property History, Tour and Inspection
Discussion with Stakeholders
Discussion with Lessees
Course Conditions and Maintenance Practices
Review of Golf Operations
FF&E (Facilities, Fixtures and Equipment)
Covid Impacts on Operations and Revenue
Lessee Status and Challenges
Existing Programs and Revenue Sources
Local golf Demand — High and Low Scenarios
Case Studies / Comparables
IMMEDIATE NEEDS FOR 2023
National Golf Foundation Study
Course Improvements
Capital Improvements
Rates and Revenue
Sales and Marketing
Financial Expectations
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OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION
Golf Repurpose Options
SWAT Analysis of Options
Expanded Food and Beverage Operations
Stand Alone Golf Facility
Lease Structure
Long Term Operational Plan
Capital Improvements
LONG TERM OUTLOOK AND EXPECTATIONS
Ongoing Operations and Maintenance Plan
Financial Performance
Final Summary and Recommendation
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SUMMARY OF CURRENT STATUS
PURPOSE OF EVALUATION
This report was completed by David Hein, a golf course professional with more
than 40 years of golf course experience managing all aspects of golf development,
maintenance and operations. This experience includes managing golf courses to
include City and County operations and from large scale 36 -hole facilities to
simpler 9 -hole executive courses. In most cases the management focus was on
efficient operations and maximizing revenues. Background on this project was
obtained through multiple course visits and sitting down with the Lessee to
discuss operations, history and management challenges and discussions with golf
course stake holders, customers, and general Port Townsend community
members. As part of the "Envisioning the Port Townsend Golf Course" project, an
updated evaluation is needed to accurately access and understand the current
status of the existing Port Townsend Golf Course. The status will include a
thorough review of the existing conditions and factors that have impacted the
financial performance of the golf course over the past 5 years under the current
Lessor/ Lessee agreement.
This evaluation will also address many of the points and recommendations made
as part of the "Business Analysis of the Port Townsend Golf Club", completed by
the National Golf Foundation in January 2019. While the NGF has tremendous
golf knowledge and experience, there are instances where their expertise does
not always transfer to a specific property's nuances including location,
surrounding community and factors as well as historical attributes of the subject
property or operation. I will discuss the NGF report more specifically later in this
report.
EVALUATION PROCESS AND INFORMATION BASIS
The evaluation and basis of this report was derived from observations of the
existing property and discussions with those involved in the maintenance,
operation and use of the golf course. It has proven difficult to evaluate financial
results from both the lessee and lesser because of the very limited data on the
daily, monthly and annual revenue and expenses as well missing numbers of
actual rounds played. Typical reporting in golf operations would include rounds
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played by round type per month, revenues collected by all revenue sources in
detail and expenses by category, all reconciled to income and expense statements
that would normally be audited by the lessor to confirm rent payments are
correct. In review of the lease requirements, the lessee is required to submit
monthly and annual reports on multiple aspects including revenue and expenses,
memberships sold and rounds played but it does not appear that in the past
several years, either party reviewed or substantiated financial results from the
golf course operations.
Property History, Tour and Inspection
The Port Townsend Golf Course has a rich and storied history. Nearly 100 years
old, the course became a 9 -hole public facility in 1927. Originally designed and
constructed as a tree -less, links style golf course, it has matured significantly since
its inception.
The facility has all the necessary components of the public course. A small
clubhouse, maintenance and storage buildings, driving range, practice areas and a
9 -hole golf course.
• Clubhouse —The clubhouses is a wood framed, one story building with a
small golf shop, dining room, bar and outdoor deck area, kitchen and
restrooms. While the building is in need of maintenance it seems sound
and appropriate for the facility. I would not describe the building as inviting
which may be a deterrent to the general public on their first visit. The food
and beverage operation seems adequate with seating capacity of 40 +/- as
well as a full bar with an active liquor license. In addition, the lower level of
the clubhouse is a large open event room with a capacity of 50+ which is
currently full of old furniture and a private "game room" currently used
only by the lessee.
• Maintenance and Storage Buildings — There are multiple structures besides
the clubhouse used for private golf cart storage, inventory and equipment
maintenance and storage. The maintenance building and storage buildings
were completely full of lessee owned broken golf equipment, turf
equipment in various stages of disrepair and unsecured fertilizer and
chemicals used in the golf operation.
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• Outdoor Storage areas — Several pieces of turf equipment (operable and
broken) are also stored outside in the elements.
• Driving Range — The driving range consists of a grass tee line and landing
area with capacity for 10+ golfers. The range landing area is a bit short in
today's golf standard but adequate for the facility.
• Practice areas — consists of practice putting greens, chipping areas and
practice bunker.
• Golf Course
o The tee areas are small in size and generally uneven with varying
amounts of turf coverage. While this is a 9 -hole golf course, there
are 2 separate sets of tees on each hole so that 18 continuous holes
can be played.
o The fairways are mowed generally at one height with a combination
of turfgrass, weeds and little to no irrigation. Drainage did not seem
to be an issue although my visits to the course were at the end of a
prolonged dry period. The fairways are tree lined with several very
mature trees in need of trimming and in some cases, removal. There
are several areas that are uneven with some exposed boulders but
not unlike many older links style golf courses.
o The greens are mostly composed of Poa Annua with a fair amount of
weeds. They are relatively flat in nature and of ample size in relation
to the nature of the golf course.
Discussion with Stakeholders
As part of the facility review, I sat down with several stakeholders of the golf
course. These included women and men that play frequently, volunteers that
help maintain the course, interested citizens, neighbors and city personnel. There
is a wide variety of opinions about the current state of the golf course. The
general feeling of the golfers is that the golf course needs to remain as a 9 -hole
facility. When asked about the lack of revenue and expense to the city, the
majority speak to the poor management, poor maintenance and lack of sales and
marketing support. There is a very strong, loyal contingent that is persistent and
vocal on their support of the course, siting the historical significance, need for
open space and recreation and willingness to get involved. The non -golfers see
the golf course property as a potential area for alternative uses.
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Discussion with Lessees
The golf course is currently entering the 3rd and final year of lease with Gabriel
Tonan Golf Shops. In speaking with Mr. Tonan, he is acutely aware of the state of
the facility and points to a variety of circumstances that impact his ability as a
lessee to be successful. He cites the challenges with a short 3 -year lease term as a
lack of commitment from the city in his ability to manage the facility. He points to
a myriad of irrigation issues, lack of equipment and manpower, as well as no sales
or marketing support from the city, even though this aspect of operations is the
responsibility of the lessee contractually. While I am not familiar with the specific
terms of his lease, in a true lease the overall responsibility of maintenance,
operations and marketing are typically the responsibility of the Lessee.
I also spent a considerable amount of time with Rick Unrue who is currently sub
leasing the food and beverage operation from Mr. Tonan. Mr. Unrue is a
restaurateur by trade and has extensive experience in food and beverage as well
as managing large scale golf facilities. Mr. Unrue spoke mostly on the potential of
the F&B operations citing a need and demand for evening dining venues and
event space. He felt very optimistic on the future of the facility, both on the golf
and F&B operations and has made a sizeable investment in kitchen and bar
equipment to support his operation.
COURSE CONDITIONS AND MAINTENANCE PRACTICES
Review of Golf Operations
The golf operation consists of one full-time employee (Lessee) supplemented by
some part-time maintenance labor. This was observed during the fall and off-
season so presumably there would be additional labor (either paid or volunteer)
involved on the maintenance side of the operation. The golf shop is overstocked
with aged merchandise and does not present a welcoming atmosphere to the
general public interested in golf. There seems to be little or no structure in the
operation and a general lack of interest in the success of daily operations.
Maintenance and general cleaning were non-existent and all non -f & b areas were
in disrepair and overly cluttered with old and broken golf equipment. Judging
from the lack of financial data and reporting, one can assume that there is a
general overall lack of management in place.
FF&E (Facilities, Fixtures and Equipment)
The storage and maintenance facilities are cluttered with a combination of old
and broken golf clubs and accessories, used turf equipment in various stages of
disrepair and other golf course tools and accessories. There appears to be an
adequate inventory of turf equipment to maintain the facility but it looks like
most of the equipment is not functional. I could not see any indication that the
equipment is routinely maintained or repaired.
COVID IMPACTS ON OPERATIONS AND REVENUE
In reviewing the financials for the past 3 years, it looks like the operation was
impacted in 2020 by Covid. The reported revenue in 2020 appeared to be down
more than 20% when compared to 2019. While it is understandable that
operations would have been impacted early in the pandemic, it is surprising that
revenues did not increase during the summer of 2020. Golf was shut down by the
Governor during March and April but limited play was allowed beginning in May
and most golf courses saw a surge in play and revenue as golf was seen as one of
the safest activities during Covid.
LESSEE STATUS AND CHALLENGES
The current lease runs from January of 2021 through December of 2023. Under
the current lease terms, the Lessee operates all aspects of the golf facility and
pays the city rent. The responsibilities of the operator are to:
• Furnish the personnel, material, supplies, equipment, services and
provide supervision and administration to operate and maintain the
golf course, driving range and all facilities
• Responsibility for the operation, management and supervision of the
golf shop and food and beverage services to include adequate
merchandise and food and beverage to support the customer base.
• Maintain the premises, buildings and improvements to the standards
set by the city.
In speaking with the lessee, he has commented on the short term of the lease as
one of the major challenges to the success of his operation. Other challenges
include:
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• Irrigation supply — the water supply from the city is reported to be
inadequate from an amount and pressure standpoint.
• Sales and Marketing support — While it is not specified in the lease
documents, the lessee had expected the City of Port Townsend to
provide Marketing support to attract visitors and tourists to the golf
course. Typically in a public — private partnership, both sides would
participate in promotion of the leased entity. From the City
perspective, this could mean providing website links on city websites
to the golf course home page, working with the Chamber of
Commerce and tourism departments to list and promote the golf
course whenever possible. Those actions coupled with the Lessee's
own sales and marketing efforts, including but not limited to
maintaining a website, having collateral on hand for first time golfers,
contacting businesses in the area for leagues, tournaments, special
events and partnerships and lastly by providing friendly and caring
customer service (something that many have commented is lacking).
EXISTING PROGRAMS AND REVENUE SOURCES
In review of the limited financial reports, talking with the lessee and review of the
golf course website, it seems that the main source of revenue is through annual
golf memberships, daily fee golf, golf cart rentals, driving range ball sales,
merchandise and limited food and beverage. The website shows several golf
events but they are mostly attended by "Players Club Members" and fees are
generally just to cover costs. The food and beverage revenue has traditionally
been through snack and beverage sales, although the new food and beverage
operator has plans to greatly expand the operation.
According to the NGF report, the city of Port Townsend, with its small population,
may never be fully sufficient to sustain operations at PTGC to meet the City's
financial expectations. Further, the NGF report suggests that income and rounds
growth beyond the reported numbers in 2018 are highly unlikely unless significant
steps are taken to improve conditions, management and sales and marketing.
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I have listed information below to support both a high demand scenario (based on
taking the necessary steps to improve the golf course) and a low demand scenario
(continuing forward as status quo).
LOCAL DEMAND — HIGH SCENARIO
The total population of the city of Port Townsend is estimated at just over 10,000.
According to the National Golf Foundation, over 8% of the general population
play golf an average of 18 times per year and those over 65 years of age, play an
average of 36 rounds per year. With the 20% of Port Townsend's population over
65, it is possible to conclude that the golfing population of the Port Townsend
community could produce over 17,000 rounds of golf. When you include the
surrounding area, it is feasible to increase the annuals rounds to 20,000 with
improved conditions and increased marketing efforts.
LOCAL DEMAND — LOW SCENARIO
Without additional efforts to change the operations of PTGC, there is no evidence
to support any positive change in the financial results for the golf course. In fact,
because of the impacts of Covid, golf in 2021 and 2022 has seen a surge in
popularity and rounds that is unlikely to be sustained in future years. In all
likelihood, PTGC could see the number of rounds decrease along with associated
revenues in subsequent years. When you take into consideration, that much of
the current demographic using the golf course is over 60, and will continue to
"age out" of playing golf over the next few years, without a strategy to backfill
that golfing population, the numbers for the golf course may continue to decline.
CASE STUDIES / COMPARABLES
It is difficult to find comparable facilities in the immediate area, but I did contact
Village Green golf course in Port Orchid and Meadowmere Golf and Country Club
on Bainbridge Island, both 9 -hole golf courses. In speaking with personnel at the
golf courses, their results are more in line with expectations for a 9 -hole golf
course both from a revenue and rounds perspective. Green fees rates for
Meadowmere range from $40 per 18 holes to $25 for 9 holes and Village Green
rates range from $27 per 18 holes and $20 per nine holes. The green fees for
Village Green are in line with the current fees for PTGC at $28 for 18 holes and
$18 for 9 holes. Annual rounds as reported for Village Green were between
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13,000 and 14,000 9 -hole rounds. I also contacted Discover Bay; an 18 -hole golf
course located less than 10 miles from Port Townsend Golf Club. Their green fee
rates are $42 for 18 holes and they currently receive 12.000 —13,000 rounds
annually. When asked about their ability to accommodate Port Townsend golfers
that might be displaced by alternative plans for the golf course, they commented
that they could accommodate and welcome the Port Townsend golfers. I also
attempted to contact Port Ludlow, 18 -hole golf club 20 miles from Port
Townsend. Unfortunately, I was unable to make contact to gain their golf course
data.
IMMEDIATE NEEDS FOR 2023
NATIONAL GOLF FOUNDATION REPORT
In January of 2019 the National Golf Foundation (NGF) completed a Business
Analysis of the Port Townsend Golf Club. The purpose of the report was to
complete a strategic review of the complete golf facility and make
recommendations to enhance economic performance. To complete this task NGF
representatives travelled from Florida to review and report on the golf course.
Unfortunately, it is difficult when you are unfamiliar with the local and regional
aspects of a business to objectively evaluate that business against criteria that
may seem standard in the industry.
The report did accurately depict the condition of the golf course and fairly
evaluate the operation and maintenance of the golf course in general but the
report does not present a realistic plan forward that addresses the needs of the
golfing community, the community in general or the city's ability to support the
facility. Suggesting that the city spend well over $1 million dollars in capital
improvements with the hope of increasing revenue in the long term (that still
does not present a reasonable return on the investment) isn't a realistic solution
to the issues with the golf course. In addition, adding the expense of hiring
certified professionals to operate the golf and turf departments for a local 9 -hole
golf course doesn't support the financial goals of the city.
There are valuable sales and marketing recommendations within the NGF report
that would be appropriate to incorporate into the operating plan. As discussed in
the report, the use of simple collateral for distribution through the local Chamber
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of Commerce and Visitors Bureau, face to face selling to the local businesses,
website enhancements and the use of email communications are effective and
inexpensive methods to drive business and revenue. Those points as well as
others listed below, should be addressed and adopted.
COURSE IMPROVEMENTS
The current course conditions, as observed in October, need to be improved to
meet the financial goals of the city. The turf quality is poor, tee to green mainly
impacted by the lack of consistent irrigation throughout the property and very
low levels of fertility. The tees are inconsistently mowed, dry and uneven.
Fairways are dry and thin with visible weed infestation throughout. Greens had
been recently aerified but showed signs of poor topdressing, wear patterns and
an alarming weed infestation.
Improvement of the golf course needs to begin in the spring with aggressive
maintenance activities to improve conditions. The irrigation system needs to be
repaired so that greens, tees and fairways can be fertilized and irrigated to
improve existing turf and to promote additional growth. It is my understanding
that the irrigation supply has been improved by the city so repair of the existing
system is paramount. While there is a need for capital improvements of the
irrigation system, getting the existing heads to work properly, fixing leaks in the
current piping system and repair of the existing controllers is something that can
be done economically and would greatly improve the turf quality and golf course
conditions. Once the irrigation system is operational, weed control and fertility
needs can be addressed.
Maintaining golf course playability will include consistent mowing throughout the
golf course. To accomplish this, equipment needs will have to be addressed. In
review of the existing equipment, it appears that there is adequate equipment to
maintain the golf course if the equipment is operating properly. I observed that
much of the equipment looked to be broken or in need of immediate repair.
While equipment repair can be expensive, it is often times much more cost
effective to repair than replace, especially when maintaining a 9 -hole golf course.
The NGF report made considerable mention of the trees and rock outcroppings
on the golf course. While there is a considerable amount of trees on the course,
they provide character and protection of adjacent holes. I would not recommend
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anything more than minimal pruning and cleanup as part of the spring
maintenance program. As far as the rocks are concerned, I believe they are an
integral part of the golf course and do not need to be addressed as an immediate
maintenance need.
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS
The NGF report provided an extensive list of needed Capital Improvements along
with a high estimate price tag of nearly $1.3 million dollars! While this list of
improvements would certainly help improve the golf course it isn't financially
viable and the city would never see a return on that investment. The golf course
does need improvements but I would recommend a focus on improving the golf
course maintenance and operations as the first step in building the golf
operations back to profitability. Improvements to the irrigation system, getting
the existing equipment repaired and operational, consistent mowing and
increased fertility will vastly improve conditions at a fraction of the estimated cost
as recommended by the NGF report.
ROUNDS, RATES AND REVENUE
Evaluating the financial performance of the golf course over the past 5 years has
been challenging based on the reported revenue and reported rounds as provided
by the lessee to the City of Port Townsend. Per those reports (Revenue Plus
Rounds 2018 — 2019 and 2021— 2022) the golf course reported rounds as
outlined in the table below. In discussions with the Lessee, it was recommended
to calculate additional rounds by dividing the 9 -hole and 18 -hole revenue by the
Senior green fee rate in place at the time. All rounds and reported green fee
revenue is included in the table below.
Year
Reported
Rounds
Green fee
revenue
Estimated
Rounds*
Total Rounds
2018
133
$43,234
2946*
3079
2019
162
$41,836
2657*
2819
2020
0
$49,169
3122*
3122
2021
143
$51,647
3342*
3485
2022
99
$59,320
3612*
3711
*Reported rounds are inaccurate. Estimated rounds are based on senior green
fee rates divided by green fee revenue.
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The reported total annual golf revenue over the past 5 years averages $114,504.
This is less than 50% of the revenue and number of rounds a similar 9 -hole golf
course should do. This is either because not all rounds and revenue are reported
or the membership, free / volunteer rounds are grossly understated. The first
step in improving the financial performance of the golf course is to fully report all
rounds, memberships sales, and ensure that each and every golfer checks in and
is reported on the tee sheet.
The average 9 -hole rate of $17 per round would seem to be considerably
underpriced when compared to other comparable golf courses in the area. While
PTGC might be priced with consideration of the current conditions, the golf
course should be priced somewhere between $20 - $25 for a 9 -hole round. In
addition to the daily fee rate, the course offers memberships at $150 per month
or $1075 per year. These rates as well are the lowest in the area and could easily
be increased by 10 —15%. In speaking with golf members and others that play
frequently, they understand and support the need for increases in the rates
charged. It is my opinion that the golfers will support paying more as long as the
golf course is better managed and in better condition.
Paramount to any discussions on revenue is the immediate need to monitor and
capture the number of golfers on the course at any given time. The lack of data
on rounds, round types and memberships reported to the city would suggest that
there is little control over who is playing and how much they are paying. While
the golf course has a large and dedicated membership following, it is my
understanding that there is also "volunteer" staff that works on the golf course
presumably in trade for free or reduced golf. This would complicate any accurate
accounting of who is paying and at what rate. It is common practice that every
golf course maintains a tee sheet and Point of Sale system that records every
player using the golf course. This system would capture the name, round type
(even complimentary golf), tee time, number of players in the group allowing a
daily tabulation of revenue received. This is critical not only for accurate
accounting, but for also protection for the city and leaseholder from any legal
SALES AND MARKETING
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There appears to be a lack of any consistent sales and marketing plan for the golf
course from either the Lessor or Lessee of the golf course. Basic marketing would
include a website with course photos, rates and scorecard information,
membership opportunities, tee time booking process, outstanding attributes
about the facility, environmental stewardship, location and directions, contact
information, etc. The current website contains basic information on rates with
posts by active golf members. There are several cost-effective tools that exist to
enhance the marketing efforts of the golf course. By utilizing some of the "plug
and play" website tools and golf course management systems, the lessee could
promote and manage the golf course more effectively, track rounds and revenue
more efficiently and communicate with its customers better to provide course
updates, special offers and promotions.
A Google search of "golf in Port Townsend" lists the golf course, but provides no
information that might entice visitors to come to the facility. Sales and Marketing
of the golf course directly benefits the Lessee and should be a key part of any
business plan. The city should participate as well in promotion of the golf course.
In review of the "Official Tourism Site for Port Townsend", "enjoypt.com", there is
no mention of the golf course anywhere on the site, including activities, things to
do or places to visit. This is sadly an opportunity missed and critical to the success
of the golf operations. With annual visitors to the Port Townsend reported as
more than 1 million, the lack of any information or marketing outreach would
certainly have a tremendous impact on the financial performance of the facility. I
attempted on multiple occasions to contact the Port Townsend Chamber of
Commerce to discuss their ability to promote and market the Port Townsend Golf
Club, but unfortunately, we have not had the opportunity to meet.
FINANCIAL EXPECTATIONS
• Current and Past Revenue — Total Revenue for the past 5 years has
averaged $114,504 per year. Total average rounds for the past 5 years
(not counting 2020 Covid closure) equal 3,274 annually. Added F&B
spend is just under $3.00 per customer.
• Expenses — In review of the limited expense data from 2014 through
2022 the Lessee's expenses averaged close to $95,000 annually
including, wages, operating expenses and lease payment. With
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estimated Net Operating Income of less than $20,000, it is unclear how
this lease arrangement would be viable. In addition, the city's expenses
for water usage, City staff and labor and repairs / maintenance /
professional services adds more than $50,000 annually.
OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION
GOLF REPURPOSE OPTIONS
If the golf course is to remain in any form that would provide the city with a
revenue stream it would need to continue as a 9 -hole golf course. Reduction to
an executive or par 3 golf course would dramatically limit the revenue potential
needed to cover the basic costs of the city. With any new conversion to a park or
smaller golf facility, the irrigation water costs at more than $30,000 a year would
add a significant budget impact.
The property could be reconfigured by eliminating the driving range and using
that area as an event lawn for summertime evening concerts and events.
Conversely relocating holes 6 and 7 onto the driving range would allow a large
mixed-use area on the north end of the property away from golf play and
associated liability.
Closing the golf course 1 or 2 afternoons per month would allow the introduction
of family days, walking, biking and hiking on the property which could serve to
open the area to non -golfers and introducing the golf course to future golfers that
may have never stepped onto the property. One of the greatest golf courses in
the world, St Andrews Golf Course, is closed each Sunday so that the town's
people can use the area for family and leisure activities. Called "Slumber
Sundays" it has been in place for more than 100 years and allows the coexistence
of golf and non -golf visitors alike.
EXPANDED FOOD AND BEVERAGE OPERATIONS
The F&B operation over the past few years has been inconsistent at best. Based
on the financial reports of the Lessee, sales have been limited to Beer, Wine, Soda
and candy. Sales have been extremely limited and the maximum reported
revenue over the past five years has been about $15K. It is my understanding
that recently Rick Unrue has taken over the F&B operation of the golf course. In
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speaking with Rick, he has plans to expand the F&B operations into lunch and
dinner service as well as operating the full-service bar. He has extensive
experience in the F&B operations as well as golf operations and he has made a
substantial investment into the operation and may be a good resource to utilize in
the future.
In addition to the dining room and cocktail lounge, the basement of the
clubhouse is designed as a private meeting space. It appears capacity is nearly
100 people and could be a great addition to the F&B operation. Currently the
basement is completely full and being used to store excess golf and restaurant
equipment. It is recommended to remove the material stored and begin to utilize
the area as meeting/ event space. Meeting space with full service food and
beverage is a high margin revenue source and should be utilized in 2023.
STAND ALONE GOLF FACILITY
If the decision is made to keep the golf course operation in a similar structure as it
stands today, there would need to be a comprehensive plan to ensure the success
of the operation and provide a revenue source for the city. The following
components would need to be developed and implemented between the city and
future lessee.
• Lease Structure — The existing lease structure and terms seem very fair and
would be a reasonable starting point for contract negotiations. It would be
recommended for the city to work through an RFP process to identify
qualified operators interested in the leasing of the operation. It would be
further recommended to extend the lease period to not less than 5 years
with a first right of refusal for an additional 5 -year term given to the lessee
provided that the lessee remains compliant with the terms of the lease.
• Long Term Operational Plan — The lessee shall be required to submit to the
city an annual golf operations and maintenance plan. This plan would
outline hours of operation, staffing levels to maintain the operation,
services offered, operational revenue and expense budget, fertility plan,
pest control plan, sample reporting, etc. This plan would allow the city to
monitor progress and evaluate the capabilities of the lessee to ensure a
successful operation.
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• Capital Improvements — The golf course will need some immediate capital
improvements to achieve the operation and revenue goals. The goal of
implementing a capital improvement plan and process would be to phase in
the improvements by prioritizing the improvements on available funds
coupled with the items that have the biggest impact to golf course quality
and playability. The NGF report suggested the need for $1.2 Million in
money to be spent. Unfortunately, this amount isn't feasible. It is
recommended that the capital improvements be completed by the lessee,
utilizing their staff and expertise when possible. This would allow for a
more cost effective and expedient completion
• The following list would include the priority items and estimated costs.
o Irrigation upgrade — The city currently provides up to 9,000,000
gallons per year, at a cost of nearly $40,000 to irrigate the golf
course. This amount is more than enough to maintain a 9 -hole golf
course in the Pacific Northwest. Given the observed dry condition of
the golf course, it is believed that the irrigation water is not being
used efficiently and probably leaks and drains into the drainage
system for the golf course.
It is recommended that the first phase of the irrigation improvement
would be to complete a complete review of the existing system.
Checking main lines and lateral piping for leaks, individual sprinkler
heads for correct operation and checking the control system for wire
continuity and connections. Given the general lack of maintenance
on the golf course, it would reasonable to assume that the irrigation
itself has not been maintained for several years. With the new well
and delivery system completed by the city, the golf course system
could be made operational (focusing on greens, tees and fairways in
that order), with a starting budget of $150,000. While this budget
may not completely overhaul the irrigation system, it would allow for
substantially better turf and playability conditions.
o Tree trimming and debris removal — Next on the list would be to trim
and remove any hazardous tree branches, dead trees and overgrown
areas that impact site lines and affect playability of the golf course.
This would only be meant to make the golf course safe for golfers
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and the general public and to allow for faster and better playability.
Budget for the activity - $30,000.
o Leveling and grading of tee and fairway areas — There are several
areas on the golf course that need to be leveled and smoothed to
provide a better playing surface. Tees that are uneven, have a lack of
turf or are too small to accommodate play would be stripped and
graded, then reseeded or sodded. Priority would be given to the
worst areas and phased over 3 years. Budget for this activity -
$30,000.
o Maintenance Equipment — There seems to be an adequate amount
of equipment in the storage area to maintain the golf course. It is my
understanding that this equipment is owned by the current lessee.
The golf course needs the following equipment
■ Greens mower
■ Tee and trim mover
■ Fairway/ rough mower
■ Sprayer
■ Utility cart
■ Maintenance Vehicle
Having an available fleet of equipment for any new lessee would be a
difficult and costly investment. It would be recommended to
evaluate the existing equipment fleet owned by the lessee and then
based upon the condition, negotiate the purchase of the useable
equipment by the city and have the equipment repaired. While the
NGF report mentioned that new equipment should be purchased, It
would not be recommended to purchase a new fleet (and new
equipment is not readily available) to maintain the golf course. It
would be much more cost effect to first repair the existing
equipment first and then purchase any remaining used equipment as
necessary. Budget to purchase and repair existing equipment,
$75,000.
o Clubhouse Improvements —The current clubhouse will need some
cosmetic refreshing, evaluation of the food and beverage equipment
and enhancements to entrance areas. It is in reasonable condition
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and can support the current food and beverage demand. With
cleaning and removal of unnecessary equipment in the lower level, it
is feasible to increase food and beverage revenue through events
and special occasion dining. Budget to refresh Clubhouse, $30,000
SUMMARY
While the NGF Report recommended that the golf course would benefit from
substantial enhancements to its maintenance infrastructure and these
enhancements would improve the course's competitiveness, such a level of
spending is just not financially feasible. By phasing improvements and by utilizing
lower cost alternatives, the course can improve well beyond the conditions today
and not create a financial hardship to the city. While the NGF report had valid
recommendations, those recommendations do not align with the character of
PTGC or the desires of the current customer base and the city.
LONG TERM OUTLOOK AND EXPECTATIONS
ONGOING OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE PLAN
It is assumed that a new lease period would begin on January 1, 2024. Prior
to the beginning of each operating year, an operations plan and budget needs to
be developed and provided to the city. This plan and budget should cover the
following items on a monthly basis:
Turf maintenance plan including fertility and non -routine maintenance items
Sales and Marketing Plan including golf and event promotions and sales
Budget including the following:
Projected rounds and revenue for each player type
Projected merchandise sales
Projected food and beverage sales by revenue type
Expenses including the following
Labor, both salary and hourly
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Operating expenses for each department, golf, turf and f & b
Administrative costs; rent, taxes,
Marketing Costs
FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE
With improved conditions, better management, consistent operations and
standard / accurate reporting, the golf course should be able to substantially
improve on its financial performance. During the past 5 years (excluding Covid in
2020) total revenue has averaged about $127,561 per year. This included golf
and food and beverage as noted below:
Year
Total
Rounds*
Golf Rev
F&B Rev
Total Rev
2018
3079*
$114,968
$15,163
$130,131
2019
2819*
$113,171
$17,006
$130,177
2020
3122*
N/A
N/A
$102,650
2021
3485*
$112,151
$13,362
$125,513
2022
3711*
$117,725
$6,696
$124,421
*Reported rounds are inaccurate. Estimated rounds are based on senior green
fee rates divided by green fee revenue.
Forecasted performance for the next five years with anticipated implementation
of the capital improvement plan, new lessee starting in 2024, and operational
improvement as listed above, will improve dramatically. The NGF study
suggested that rounds should more than double current reported rounds based
upon the improvements outlined in their study. With the anticipation that
improvements will be phased in over the next 5 years, one could conservatively
estimate the following projections of rounds and revenue.
Year
Rounds
Golf Rev *
F&B Rev **
Total Rev
2023
6000
$114,000
$24,000
$138,000
2024
7000
$136,500
$28,000
$164,500
2025
8000
$160,000
$40,000
$200,000
2026
9000
$184,500
$50,000
$234,500
2027
10000
$210,000
$50,000
$260,000
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* Assumes a starting average green fee of $19.00 and increasing $.50 each year
** Assumes a starting spend per golfer of $4.00 increasing to $5 in 2025
FINAL SUMMARY AND RECOMMENDATIONS
In summary, Port Townsend has a very manageable asset in the golf course that
could one day in the near future be a self-sufficient and valuable asset to the
community. With the correct lease and management structure in place along
with an operating plan and appropriate oversight, the Port Townsend Golf Course
can support the golf and recreation needs of the immediate community as well as
those visiting Port Townsend. How the overall golf course fits within the city's
revisioning plan remains to be seen. I don't foresee a scenario where the golf
course is materially reduced in size and scope that would accommodate all of the
needs of the community and still attract golfers that would pay the required
green fees to cover minimal capital improvements and the maintenance expense
of the property.
Over 74% of the community support alternate uses, or a hybrid of uses for the
golf course property. In order for the golf course to continue to operate within a
smaller footprint, while accommodating a variety of community uses, my
recommendations include, 1) Relocate holes 5 & 6 to the driving range to provide
additional area for mixed use edge along Blaine Street, 2) Infrastructure
Improvements throughout the golf course, 3) Transition cart paths to
accommodate public trail use, 4) Supplement plantings to safely buffer public use
from golfers, 5) Improve turf conditions so that green rate increases can provide
additional revenue to the city and 6) Improve communications and customer
service to all users of the facility to create a welcoming and inclusive atmosphere.
By implementing alternative uses that can compliment the golf course and create
a welcoming destination for the community, it is anticipated that these changes
will soften the stigma that the golf course is only for the enjoyment of the golfers.
By thoughtfully crafting the appropriate Request for Proposal (RFP), the city could
partner with a new lessee that has both golf and food and beverage experience
that could build the operations of the golf course into positive asset to the
community that can also provide a reasonable revenue stream to the city. It is my
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understanding that some of the current golfers as well as the lessee of the food
and beverage operation have expressed an interest in managing the facility.
Overtime it could be expected this would create a more diverse customer base
and increase support and appreciation of the golf course that has been a part of
Port Townsend for nearly 100 years.
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Port Townsend Golf Course I Mt. View Commons
July 5, 2023
GROUNII° SWIEw" IIII
CENTRAL
YEAR
PARK - PHASE 1 (YEARS 1 - 10)
ITEM
GRANT REQUEST
CITY MATCH (35%)
TOTAL
2024
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$350,000.00
$122,500.00
$472,500.00
2026
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$350,000.00
$122,500.00
$472,500.00
2028
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$350,000.00
$122,500.00
$472,500.00
2030
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$350,000.00
$122,500.00
$472,500.00
2032
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$350,000.00
$122,500.00
$472,500.00
PHASE 1 SUB TOTAL 1,750,000.00
$612,500.00
2,362,500.00
CENTRAL
YEAR
PARK - PHASE 2 (YEARS 11 - 19)
ITEM
GRANT REQUEST
CITY MATCH (35%)
TOTAL
2034
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$428,000.00
$149,800.00
$577,800.00
2036
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$428,000.00
$149,800.00
$577,800.00
2038
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$428,000.001
$149,800.00
$577,800.00
2040
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$428,000.001
$149,800.00
$577,800.00
2042
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$428,000.001
$149,800.00
$577,800.00
PHASE 2 SUB TOTAL 2,140,000.00
749,000.00
2,889,000.00
TOTAL 3,890,000.00 $1,361,500 5,251,500.00
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Port Townsend
Public Golf Park
(Hybrid Option)
Based on:
Pi R Squared Plan
David Hein Analysis
Community Input
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Port Townsend Golf Course is
a historical treasure and
community public asset
The current golf course design was
funded in 1927 by 100 community
members contributing $30 each.
The course was designed by Francis
Llewellyn James, an internationally
recognized golf course architect.
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The Hein Report demonstrates that a
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"Port Townsend has a very manageable asset in
the golf course that could one day in the near
future be a self-sufficient and valuable asset to
the community." (page 22)
"The facility has all the necessary components of
the public course ... small clubhouse, maintenanc
and storage buildings, driving range, practice
areas and a 9 -hole course" (page 5)
Recommendation and Analysis
Port Townsend Golf Course
Prepared by David Hein
May 24, 2023
Guiding Principles for the
Public Golf Park proposal
Develop a financially
feasible and sustainable
Public Golf Park based on
the Hein Report
recommendations, along
with the additional
improvements identified
through the stakeholder
public process.
• Ensure the Golf Park will be self-sustaining.
• Prioritize the protection and expansion of the
qatay prairie and native plant areas.
• Employ the use of organic turf management
methods.
• Include new activities and recreational uses for
youth, families and non -golfers at the Park.
• Provide improvements and facilities that increase
tourist use, including marketing.
• Maintain pedestrian trails through the property.
• Incorporate education and art opportunities
throughout park.
• Redevelop the buildings as welcoming and serving
as a community resource and destination.
• Identify reserve areas for future housing.
Port Townsend
Public Golf Park
GOALS:
• Financially self supporting
• Increased public access and
community use(s)
• Improved community facilities
• Programs for families and kids
• Restored and enhanced natural
areas
• Upgraded 9 -hole course
• Little or no City financial support
• Preserves historical significance
Public Golf Park
VISION
Further develop and implement a
comprehensive "Hybrid" Public
Golf Park that honors and
incorporates community desires
that were identified through the
public process, while providing for
a successful business and
management plan that is self-
sustaining and contributes back to
the community.
CONCEPT
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Hybrid Option:
Port Townsend
Public Golf Park
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The Hybrid Option is a community-
based design and ownership model
Uses the David Hein analysis as a
baseline to be further evaluated and
developed into a comprehensive
business and management plan by
June 30, 2024
Golf Park Improvements
& Enhancements
The Specifics
The following ideas and
improvements have been
identified through the public
process and will be further
explored, financially
evaluated, and incorporated
into the Public Golf Park
design and business &
management plan.
Public Golf Park Improvements
& Enhancements
"Closing the golf course 1 or 2
afternoons per month would allow the
introduction of family days, walking,
biking, hiking on the property which
could serve to open the area to non -
golfers..."
(David Hein, page 16)
Golf Park Improvements
& Enhancements
• Improved 9 -hole golf
course per Hein Report
• New irrigation system and
low water use drip
irrigation where feasible.
• A new par 3 golf course
embedded within the
existing course, to serve
families and beginners.
Golf Park Improvements &
Enhancements
• Expand family programs/lesson
• Partnerships with First Tee, a
national organization
"empowering kids through the
game of golf"
• New miniature golf course
Golf Park Improvemer
& Enhancements
Multipurpose use of the
Driving Range
• Concerts
• Performance amphitheater
• Movie nights
• Fixed cover for driving range
Golf Park Improvements
& Enhancements
Continue to host high school
sporting events and activities
Expanded student golf teams
Golf Park Improvements
& Enhancements
Land Stewardship -.-
9 Expand the native prairie
other native plantings.
• Partner with Native Plant
Society and other related
organizations
• New low drip irrigation
system
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& Enhancements
Environmental sustainabilit,
• Seek Audubon Golf Cours
Certification
• Enhanced bird and wildlif
habitat
• Transition to electric carts
and park maintenance
equipment.
• Organic and sustainable tL
management
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Improvements &
Enhancements
• Art and Sculpture
• Interpretive
Wayfinding
• The Portage Trail
• Honor tribal traditions
Golf Park Improvements
& Enhancements
Improved Public Facilities:
• Renovated club house and
meeting rooms
• Full-service restaurant
• Conference center
• Covered driving range
Golf Park Improvements
& Enhancements
Community Involvemer
• Volunteerism
• Raising funds for other
nonprofits for activities or
events at Golf Park
• Sponsoring fundraising
events for nonprofits
Golf Park
Improvements &
Enhancements
Promote visitor opportunities
through the Chamber and local
accommodations:
"We come every year from Ireland to stay
at Fort Worden and play on your golf
course"
" We came up from Poulsbo to play. We
love your 9 -hole course"
Start -Up & Implementation
Irrigation — starting budget $150,000
Tree Trimming, debris removal 30,000
Leveling/grading of tees, fairways 30,000
Repair & purchase of Equipment 75,000
Refresh Clubhouse 30,000
$315,000
Our Additional Start Up Budget:
Contingency, other features $ 100,000
Business & Management Plan 85,000
TOTAL $500.,000
The Hein Report outlined the
basic improvements needed for
the golf course to generate a
positive cash flow (pages 18-20)
Year 1 maintenance and
operations would be
funded from increased
user fees and volunteer
help. Contingency fund
for back up expenses
Next Steps:
Implementation Process — Proposed Near Term
(Sept. 2023 - Dec. 31, 2023)
• Council motion to move forward to the RFP process — implementation
• Friends group establishes a nonprofit and board.
• Board secures pledges for start-up funding for first year ($100,000+).
• City provides interim (one year) lease
• Non-profit board agrees to terms to operate the course
• By December 31, an interim operator is hired. The new nonprofit
establish procedures to oversee operations and management.
Next Steps:
"Hybrid" Golf Park Process — 2024
(Jan — Dec. 2024)
• January 1— interim lease begins; public event to remove "Golfers Only" sign
• Friends Board develops a Business and Management Plan — in concert with EDC - including
governance options (RFP process for operator, etc) and marketing
• The Plan will include a long-term, year by year, capital investment strategy
(no direct capital costs to the City).
• The Board secures operating and capital funding commitments for years 1-3
($$ amount TBD)
• If selected through the RFP process, the Board and City negotiate long term lease by
October 31, 2024
• If selected, beginning in January 2025, over the next 3 years, the nonprofit invests at least
$500,000 in privately funded golf course improvements - details to be included in the
Board's Response to the RFP
A NON-PROFIT 501 (c) 3 provides the ownership model:
Friends of the Port Townsend Public Golf Park
• Nonprofit board oversees the operations, establishes policies
and procedures and hires golf park manager and staff
• Friends raise funds through grants and individual donations for
capital investments and improvements
• Friends host charity tournaments that generate revenue for
other community non -profits
• Net income from the operations and fundraising can be
reinvested in improvements
Friends of Port Townend Public Golf Park
Fundraising Campaign
In 1927, George Welch reached out to 100 friends and
community members to each donate $30 to build a nine -hole
golf course on land donated to the city.
Almost 100 years later, we are asking community members to donate
$1,000 to a new nonprofit, Friends of the Port Townsend Public Golf
Park, to continue to operate, manage, and improve this historic public
asset.
Initial Fundraising Goal: $100,000+
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WELCOME
CITY COUNCIL FEEDBACK ON PUBLIC INPUT (JULY 17, 2023 MEETING)
HOUSING CONSIDERATIONS - SITE / DEED RESTRICTIONS
ALTERNATE SITE PLAN(S)
COUNCIL PRIORITIES
COST ESTIMATE, FINANCING, O+M, FINANCIAL ANALYSIS
NEXT STEPS
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TASK AT HAND:
To make a decision about the future of the land where the golf course currently
exists. Be it golf, no golf, some combination there of. Our task is, what is the
best use of this property for the next 100 years. We are not limited to the options
presented - this is a blank canvas. In making our decision consider not just our
history but the future of Port Townsend. Consider the quieter voices and silent
voices who have not participated. Most notably younger children.
COUNCIL MEMBER MONICA MICKHAGER
• How many and who are going to benefit.
• Glad to see the Hybrid Plan.
• Not against affordable housing on this property.
• These were all just concepts - not a choice - something to worl< on.
• Mal<e this land acccessible to many - not just a few.
• Want to carve out some land not accessible to golf course. Want to put golf course
to RFP to extend its years and want to move this further down the road.
• 1 would lil<e it to remain a golf course for an undetermined amount of time.
• Not sure if a lease is the correct strategy.
• Consider a non-profit model that manages the course.
• 1 want the space shared.
COUNCIL MEMBER BEN THOMAS
• Shares the feeling that barbed wire surrounds the course.
• Goal to get more people onto that site.
• You need a good reason to take something away.
• Consider a phased approach if golf doesn't continue to grow.
• Run as a quasi non-profit with oversight from the City.
DEPUTY MAYOR AMY HOWARD
• Doesn't believe no action is a viable option.
• Responsible for stewarding land. Land is not tended.
• We haven't been promoting this gem.
• This is a legacy decision.
• Work together to make it a good place.
• Third Space I Community Space
COUNCIL MEMBER LIBBY URNER WENNSTROM
• Course is unwelcoming and used by a few hundred individuals.
• Not happy with alternatives proposed.
• City does not need a large park.
• Like some of the proposals to better share space. Trails, concerts, shared open
space, open days and closed days for golf.
• Some dedicated permanant affordable housing
COUNCIL MEMBER OWEN ROWE
• Criteria that stands out most is Financial Sustainability.
• Connectivity and Access. Ability to walk across this parcel. How is that possible
when someone is playing golf?
• Critical need for housing
• Honoring history. Legacy of the Golf Course.
• Legacy of Kah-Tai. The history we want to celebrate. Expand Prairie.
COUNCIL MEMBER AISLINN PALMER
• Public subsidy for a small amount of people is not appropriate.
• Public property should be used more by more people.
• Need to better understand operating costs implications.
MAYOR DAVID FABER
• This site should be used for the most good for the most people.
• Not viable to keep the golf course 'as is:
• An RFP for operation of the golf course is not fair to the community.
• Hybrid does not work for the community. Driving range is core to the business
model.
• Feel as though there is barbed wire around the property. Not welcoming.
• Concerned about Central Park Plan. Attractive but we have plenty of park land.
• Great idea the stakeholders came up with - Central Park with a nod to golf.
• Keep driving range and putting green. Keeps a nod to the history.
• Repurpose the rest of the golf course to the idea of deed restrictions.
• Keep central part of park untouched for park space. Leave for recreation or open
space.
• South side along Blaine street for housing. Easily walkable 10-12 acre swatch with no
deed restrictions. On bus lines. Existing infrastructure.
• Expand Kah Tai Prairie. We don't have the money for a central park option. Re -wild
the rest of the course. We do not have the finances to develop a larger park.
• Siting the dog park on the corner on San Juan makes sense.
• If this land were empty, there's no way we would build a golf course.
• Given the decline in golf, I think it makes more sense that the site benefits a broader
group of the community.
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• Amenities for Children/Family
• Restaurant
• Pedestrian/Neighborhood connectivity
• Natural Legacy
• Financial Sustainability
• Golf Legacy
• Expanded Prairie
• Dog Park
• Public Access to Open Space
• Community Center
• Equity Among People Served
• Third Space
• Zoning Description:
• P/OS - Existing Park and Open
Space
• Zoning Amendments
9 No Restrictions
• Amendment Design Criteria
(Comp Plan - Next Slide)
• Municipal Use Only
• Consider a Planned Action
• Consider enacting a Housing
Emergency
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NO RESTRICTIONS
MUNICIPAL PURPOSES
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• 20.04.080.A.3: For All Amendments:
• Whether the amendment will adversely affect the public health, safety and welfare in any
significant way; and
• Whether the proposed amendment is consistent with the GMA and adopted county -wide planning
policies; and
• Whether the proposed amendment reflects current widely held community values or resolves
inconsistencies in the city's Comprehensive Plan; and
• Whether the proposed amendment would maintain the appropriate balance of land uses within
the city; and
• Whether the proposal implements the Comprehensive Plan; or alternatively
• Since the adoption of the Comprehensive Plan, there has been a substantial change in
circumstances related to the proposed amendment and/or the area in which it is located which
warrants the proposal.
20.04.080.A.4: For Site -Specific Amendments:
• In the case of an amendment to the comprehensive land use map, whether the subject
parcels are physically suitable for the requested land use designation(s) and the anticipated
land use development(s), including, but not limited to, access, provision of utilities, compatibility
with adjoining land uses and absence of physical constraints.
• The proposed amendment will not create a pressure to change the land use designation of
other properties, unless the change of land use designation for other properties is in the long-term
interests of the community in general.
*Adapted from section 20.04.080 of Port Townsend Municipal Code's Administration of Land Development Regulations
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TOTAL GRANT REQUEST: $3,890,000.00 TOTAL GRANT REQUEST: $3,265,000.00
CITY MATCH: $1,361,500.00 CITY MATCH: $1,142,750.00
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R.O.M. OPERATIONAL COSTS: $901</YR. R.O.M. OPERATIONAL COSTS: $601</YR.
• Cost in 2023 dollars.
• Costs do not include Sales Tax, Testing, Engineering, Design, Construction
Management or Permitting.
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l. |DDprOV2d ACC233 Road / Parking Lot (minor improvements)
2. Miniature Golf
3. Housing + Community Garden
4. Expanded Prairie
5. Pedestrian and Biking Trails (mu|ch +grave|)
6. Playground
7. Dog Park
8. R2DOV3t2d Clubhouse (ADA improvements, Windows, Paint, HVAC)
9. Landscaping (Frees, Shrubs, K8u|ch,Irrigation)
lD. Lighting
ll. Sculpture
12. Disc Golf Course
13. Bird Blind
ConstructionContingency-lD%
General Conditions -6%
Fees + Insurance +Band(] -6%
Escalation -5%
$245,000.00
Developer RFP
Developer RFP
Volunteer
$450,000.00
$290,000.00
$250,000.00
$300,000.00
$350,000.00
$150,000.00
$180,000.00
$50,000.00
$225,000.00
$249,000.00
$149,400.00
$149,400.00
Port Townsend Golf Course I Mt. View Commons
September 18, 2023
ALTERNATE
YEAR
SITE PLAN - PHASE 1 (YEARS
1 - 10)
ITEM GRANT REQUEST
CITY MATCH (35%)
TOTAL
2024
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$240,000.00
$84,000.00
$324,000.00
2026
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$240,000.00
$84,000.00
$324,000.00
2028
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$240,000.00
$84,000.00
$324,000.00
2030
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$240,000.00
$84,000.00
$324,000.00
2032
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$232,500.00
$81,375.00
$313,875.00
PHASE 1 SUB TOTAL $1,192,500.00
$417,375.00
$1,609,875.00
ALTERNATE
YEAR
SITE PLAN - PHASE 2 (YEARS 11 - 19)
ITEM
GRANT REQUEST
CITY MATCH (35%)
TOTAL
2034
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$230,000.00
$80,500.00
$310,500.00
2036
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$230,000.00
$80,500.00
$310,500.00
2038
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$230,000.00
$80,500.00
$310,500.00
2040
RCO GRANT REQUEST
$230,000.00
$80,500.00
$310,500.00
2042
1 RCO GRANT REQUEST
1 $230,000.00
$80,500.00
$310,500.00
PHASE 2 SUB TOTALI $1,150,000.00
$402,500.00
$1,552,500.00
TOTAL $2,342,500.00 $819,875 $3,162,375.00
City staff presumes the O+M costs will be less than they are to
operate the current golf course and would include water usage, city
staff labor, repairs, maintenance, and professional services. City Staff
estimate the O+M costs as follows:
• $601<-$701< annually.
• Added maintenance and staff time maintaining walking/biking
trails, open space, dog park, parking lot landscape beds, and
community gathering areas.
Current Operations + Maintenance Costs paid by City
2018
2019
2020
2021
2022 2023
Water Usage
$ 31,963.68
$ 30,423.12
$ 28,913.92
$ 38,811.92
$ 29,842.96
Labor -City Staff
$ 3,003.59
$ 3,607.00
$ 1,551.57
$ 3,072.00
$ 3,400.00
Capital
$ -
$ -
$ -
$ -
$ -
Repairs/Maintenance/Professional Services
$ 23,216.11
$ 24,281.91
$ 12,902.92
$ 9,130.31
$ 11,725.00
Total $
1 $ 58,183.38 1
$ 58,312.03 1
$ 43,368.41 1
$ 51,014.23 1
$ 29,842.96
Anticipated Future Costs
2024
2025
2026
2027
2028
2029
Water Usage
$ 5,000.00
$ 5,000.00
$ 5,000.00
$ 5,000.00
$ 5,000.00
5,000
Labor -City Staff
$ 40,000.00
$ 40,000.00
$ 40,000.00
$ 40,000.00
$ 40,000.00
$ 40,000.00
Capital
$ -
$ -
$ -
$ -
$ -
Repairs/Maintenance/Professional Services
$ 20,000.00
$ 20,000.00
$ 20,000.00
$ 20,000.00
$ 20,000.00
$ 20,000.00
Total $
$ 65,000.00 1
$ 65,000.00 1
$ 65,000.00 1
$ 65,000.00 1
$ 65,000.00
$ 65,000.00
YR.
Expenses
CONTRACTOR
Revenue
Net
Expenses
CITY
Revuenue
Net
2022
$124,422.00
$41,567.96
$10,000.00
$31,5677 96
2021
$92,225.00
$125,513.00
$33,288.00
$51,014.23
$8,164.00
42,85 23
2020
$57,696.00
$102,650.00
$44,954.00
$43,368.413ou.
2019
$72,942.00
$130,177.00
$57,235.00
$58,312.03
$8,485.00
$49,827M
2018
$95,404.00
$130,132.00
$34,728.00
$58,183.38
$8,490.00
$49,69338
CONCEPT FOR A GOLF PARK
PORT TOWNSEND PUBLIC GOLF PARK
DESIGNED BY - PI R SQUARED
A CONCEPT WITH GOLF AND NON -GOLF
FEATURES RETAINING 9 HOLES AND
DRIVING RANGE
KEY
A. Public Trails
B. Native prairie expansion
C. Putt- Putt and practice area
D. Bird Blind at the Pond
E. Potential City Developments
F. Covered Driving Range/Taproom,
Pro-shop/Event space and
Maintenance bids.
H. Driving range to host a few
summer conceits with portable
stage
Existing
Native/Prairie
areas
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• OCTOBER - FINAL REPORT
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From: Toni Blanchard
To: CitvCouncil; John Mauro; David Faber; publiccomment 6citvofot.us; Carrie Hite
Subject: Birdblind—
Date: Sunday, September 17, 2023 7:09:38 PM
Hello Councilmembers,
$225,000.00 for a birdblind is a waste of $$. A birdblind is not needed. We can look at birds
in the pond nowjust fine without a birdblind! Kah Tai doesn't need one, Hastings Pond
doesn't either.
Not only that, the Washington State EPA Wetland Protections prohibit building ANY kind of
structure or moving earth within the wetland's bufferzone.
Any kind of birdblind would need to be set well back from Hastings Pond and be useless.
You might want to consult with the Jahnkes (and the WA EPA Wetland Rules) about this
birdblind before putting out that kind of $$ for one.
Also, I noticed the Financing in Groundswell's two Plans didn't include the THOUSANDS of $$
for removing all the Poplar trees (which is part of the plan from what was said at their
Stakeholder meeting).
Violating the gifters' deed restrictions on some of the parcels Consultants put housing on, in
the name of 'Municipal Housing Emergency', as the Consultants suggested, would be a sleezy
move - even if it is a maneuver to bypass the restrictions.
Considering that any housing will not happen until well into the next decade (over 10 years
from now), what you will be ending up with for over $3,000,000.00 is: Trails, Dog Park,
Garden, Putt, Putt, Sculptures, Playground, and a birdblind (along with future potential sites
for affordable housing IF they are even possible to be had 10 years from now).
Keeping that lovely golfing statue already on the property would suffice for a 'nod to our
Historical Golf Course' alone without spending $180,000.00 on sculptures
Seems you'd be better off considering keeping the 9 -Hole Golf Course for at least the next 10
years and/or giving Robert Horner's plan some serious consideration.
Thank you,
Joni Blanchard
From: Toni Blanchard
To: CitvCouncil; John Mauro; Carrie Hite; David Faber; publiccommentCcity&t.us
Subject: Council Packet—
Date: Monday, September 18, 2023 9:08:12 AM
Hello Staff & Councilmembers—
I noticed that in the Council's Agenda Packet for the workshop this evening, the page with the
'Pi R Squared' Option (Robert Horner's Plan), is missing it's legend (the sidebar with listing of
what the circled alphabet on the plan represents).
Maybe that mistake could get corrected today before the workshop, so that Council can
actually understand this popular Option and include it in their discussion along with
Groundswell's Option. The legend is an important key to understanding the plan.
Also, on the Consultant's new Options, that back second row of housing along Blaine St. would
require removing a whole row of mature native trees. This was discussed at the Stakeholder's
Meeting and consensus had it that removing all those mature trees is not a good idea.
It was also mentioned that housing all along San Juan and on the lower east corner on Blaine
(their first revised plan) would block all view into the park - not a good idea, either.
Thank you,
Joni Blanchard
From: Michelle Sandoval
To: Citvcouncil; John Mauro; publiccomment6citvofot.us
Subject: public comment
Date: Monday, September 18, 2023 3:32:00 PM
While I've lately been posting sweet photos of my new kitty, most of you know that is not entirety of
who I am. You know that I have always been politically involved and care deeply about this
community. For years we've all worried that are democracy is at risk. We see the fabric of our
country being torn apart by the divisiveness, culture wars, and of course the disregard for the rule of
law.
For 20 years on city council, I watched as the nastiness at the federal level start to trickle its way into
our sweet small town. It has really gotten to the point that I am going to call it out. Now don't get
me wrong there was always passionate debate. Everybody in PT had an opinion and was unafraid to
say it.
But I've seen the gradual erosion of respect toward fellow community members, conspiracy
theories, ad hominem attacks, assigning motives and flagrant bullying.
I am emailing this because though I stepped down from council at the end of 2021, 1 am still getting
vulgar, bullying emails because I dare speak my mind about a city issue. That issue is the future of
the city land that leases to the golf course.
This is an afront to democracy. We vote and put our leadership in place. There is process for each
issue, and we all have a right and I believe a responsibility to pay attention through that process, not
just when you finally wake up and accuse those in charge of not having the process spoon fed to
you. If my opinion differs from yours or a vote doesn't go your way, it is not time to declare "it was
rigged all along". Sounds like our national pols. Democracy means sometimes you representatives
vote the way you like and sometimes they don't. Win and losses. It's a mixed bag. I am sure you are
getting these as well. I am sorry for those that teat you with disrespect, councilors.
Here is a recent email received:
Regarding your hissy fit at the city council meeting concerning the golf course -what the fuck is
your problem? Haven't you gouged the citizens of our city enough? Your greed has been pitiful! If
you need something to do, then fucking resolve the Cherry street debacle and SHUT THE FUCK UP!
You're probably one of those greedy butches that's trying to do a land grab in Maui too!
I have gotten more than one of these emails and I understand that they will continue to bully those
who speak against anything other believe that they deserve and have a right to use our land their
way. But we should not allow this to deter us from speaking our mind. I will see you tonight for this
public comment below:
I typically visit Chetzemoko twice a day to walk my dog. As of late, 1 hove been counting the number
of visitors while 1 am there, and 1 thought my count reached hod its high earlier this summer with
approximately 72 people at once ( NOT counting the wedding party that was setting up one Saturday
morning). But this week that number grew to approximately 200 people for several days because
students from the high school were visiting the pork, doing some sort of lessons there. That was in
addition to the tri -weekly regulars of yoga, & tai chi practitioners, a preschool group and individuals
eating lunch, moms with babies, visitors going down to the beach and walkers like me.
We are a city. We hove a responsibility, as well as the privilege, to welcome density. 1 soy privilege- in
that we con build our diversity and economy in ways the rural counties cannot. The comp plan
dictates this. We hove seen rapid growth in the lost 3 years and that is disconcerting in many ways.
But let's be clear. Change is inevitable and our city will continue to grow. Your job is to be sure that
we as a city are proactive in planning, as opposed to reactive once it's too late.
The city property which currently leases to a private entity, is 5 times the size of Chetzemoko, more
centrally located and could provide more space and areas for congregating and recreating for all
these groups. It is closer to the middle school and Salish coast if those teachers and student wont to
use it.
This is OUR property. The entire city of PT's property. Not just those who choose to ploy golf.
To hove a small percentage of users in a growing city is not justifiable. 50 years ago, that ratio of
users was much higher because the population was smaller. It is no longer equitable or fair for the
city taxpayers to subsidize our largest public land for the benefit of a few.
While it is historic its history does not suddenly begin when a golf course was created.
We hove been engaged as a city council talking about the future of this land for over 10 years. None
of this is sudden. Some folks will never be happy with the amount of process until any opposition to
the existing use has been shut down entirely.
Like the signs state: Let's keep this land open space, true open space that con be enjoyed by all our
citizens and visitors alike.
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CITY MEETINGS SCHEDULE
(This schedule is draft only, subject to change. See City website w cityofpteus)
Day
Date
Time
Type of Meeting
Tentative Agenda Item
Location
Absent
Wed
Sept 13
3:00
Council Culture and Society Committee
Chambers
Thurs
Sept 14
4:15
Civil Service Commission
CANCELED
Chambers
Thurs
Sept 14
6:30
Planning Commission
Chambers
Mon
Sept 18
6:00
City Council Business Meeting
Workshop Session on Golf Course Alternative
Chambers
Wed
Sept 20
3:00
Council Finance and Budget Committee
Chambers
Thurs
Sept 21
3:00
Public Art Committee
Chambers
Thurs
Sept 21
5:00
Special Session Intergovernmental
Port Hudson
Collaborative Group
Pavilion
Mon
Sept 25
6:00
Special Session City Council Business Meeting
. Golf Course Decision
Chambers
Tues
Sept 26
4:30
Parks, Recreation, Trees and Trails Advisory Bd
Chambers
Wed
Sept 27
2:30
Jefferson County Housing Fund Board
BOCC
Thurs
Sept 28
6:30
Planning Commission
Chambers
Mon
Oct 2
6:00
City Council Business Meeting
. Banned Books Week
Chambers
Revenue Estimates including Proposed 2024 Fees
Department Budget Requests presentation to Council
Public Hearing- Comprehensive Plan Amendment
1st reading 2023 Budget 2n1 supplemental.
Building Code- Second Reading
Consent- JAVS
Public Hearing- Comprehensive Plan Amendment- Sims Gateway
Plan
Arbor Day Proclamation
Closed Session -Police Contract Negotiations RCW
42.30.140(4)(b)
• Consent- Salary Schedule Positions Update
Consent- Fact Sheet TBD Ballot Measure
Tues
Oct 3
3:00
Historic Preservation Committee
Chambers
Wed
Oct 4
3:00
Council Infrastructure and Development Comm
Chambers
Thurs
Oct 5
3:00
Arts Commission
Chambers
Mon
Oct 9
5:00
Special Session Joint Planning Commission/
. Budget and the 2024 Workplan
Chambers
City Council Meeting
. Evans Vista Site Visit and Final Design Discussion
Indigenous Peoples Day
Tues
Oct 10
1:00
Library Advisory Board
Pink House
Tues
Oct 10
3:00
Climate Action Committee
Pacific Room
Tues
Oct 10
3:00
Lodging Tax Advisory Committee (LTAC)
Chambers
Wed
Oct 11
3:00
Council Culture and Society Committee
Chambers
Thurs
Oct 12
4:15
Civil Service Commission
Chambers
Thurs
Oct 12
6:30
Planning Commission
Chambers
Mon
Oct 16
6:00
City Council Business Meeting
• Capital Budget Presentation
• Second Reading of 2023 Annual comprehensive Plan
Amendments
• Carbon Bids
• Final Healthier Together Report to Council
• Possible Cherry St Demolition Contract
• Contract for Terry McHugh to prepare for listing
• Approve term sheets with Grace Lutheran Church for Cherry St.
Parking
• Executive Session: Discussion of the price for listing real estate for
sale
• Presentation of preliminary sewer and stormwater rate increases
Chambers
Wed
Oct 18
3:00
Council Finance and Budget Committee
Chambers
Thurs
Oct 19
3:00
Public Art Committee
Chambers
Tues
Oct 24
4:30
Parks, Recreation, Trees and Trails Advisory Bd
Chambers
Wed
Oct 25
2:30
Jefferson County Housing Fund Board
BOCC
Thurs
Oct 26
6:30
Planning Commission
Chambers
Wed
Nov 1
3:00
Council Infrastructure and Development Comm
Chambers
Thurs
Nov 2
3:00
Arts Commission
Chambers
Mon
Nov 6
6:00
City Council Business Meeting
Evans Vista Final Design Selection
Chambers
Tues
Nov 7
3:00
Historic Preservation Committee
Chambers
Wed
Nov 8
3:00
Council Culture and Society Committee
Chambers
Thurs
Nov 9
4:15
Civil Service Commission
Chambers
Thurs
Nov 9
6:30
Planning Commission
Chambers
Mon
Nov 13
6:00
City Council Workshop Meeting
Chambers
Wed
Nov 15
3:00
Council Finance and Budget Committee
Chambers
Thurs
Nov 16
3:00
Public Art Committee
Chambers
Thurs
Nov 16
5:00
Special Session Intergovernmental
Collaborative Group
Port Hudson
Pavilion
Intergovernmental Collaborative Group Update of Engineering Design Standards
Jeffco.Housing Fund Bd Records Management Policies
Adoption of Shoreline Master Program Update Mountain View Leases (December)
Suggestion Board and Workplan Review (Jan, Apr., July, Oct.) Budget Hearings and Adoption (Nov -Dec)
Council Committee Reports (April, July, October) Contract Renewals
Financial Sustainability Task Force
Annual Update to the City's Comprehensive Land Use Plan