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PORT TOWNSEND CITY COUNCIL AGENDA
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Business Meeting 6:00 p.m.June 20, 2023
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I.Call to Order/ Pledge of Allegiance
II. Roll Call
III. Changes to the Agenda
IV. Special Presentations
V.Comments from the Public (re consent agenda items and items not on the agenda)
(Each person has 3 min. to comment- City Clerk will signal at 2 min. 30 sec.)
A.Public comment
B.City Staff Response
VI.Consent Agenda
Action: Moveto adopt the consent agenda or request to remove any individual
item from the consent agenda.
A.Approval of Bills, Claims and Warrants
B.Approval of Minutes: May 1, 2023, May 08, 2023, May 15, 2023
C.Appointments/Reappointments: Parks, Recreation, Trees and Trails Advisory
Board, Lodging Tax Advisory Committee, Library Advisory Board, Historic
Preservation Committee, Arts Commission
D.Mountain View Campus Pool Roof Repairs
E.Resolution 23-036 Authorizing the City Manager to Execute all Agreements
Necessary to Complete the Library Window Replacement Project
VII.Unfinished Business
A.Ordinance 3314 Amending Port Townsend Municipal Code Chapter 10.28
Speed Limits Established by Adding Four New Section
Action:Move to approve Ordinance 3314 Amending Port Townsend
Municipal Code Chapter 10.28 Speed Limits Established by Adding Four New
Sections
i. Staff Presentation
ii. Public Comment
iii. Council Deliberation and Action
VIII. New Business
A. Resolution 23-037 Renaming the Port Townsend Skate Park to Seamus Sims
Memorial Skate Park and Resolution 23-038 Renaming Triangle III Park as
Speakers’ Corner
Action:Move to approve Resolution 23-037 Renaming the Port Townsend
Skate Park to Seamus Sims Memorial Skate Park and Resolution 23-038
Renaming Triangle III Park to Speakers’ Corner.
i. Staff Presentation
ii.Public Comment
iii. Council Deliberation and Action
B.Envision Golf Course and Mountain View Commons Council Debrief
Action:No action requested. Discussion only.
i. Staff Presentation
ii. Public Comment
iii. Council Deliberation and Action
C. First Quarter 2023 Financial Update
Action: No action requested. Discussion only.
i. Staff Presentation
ii. Public Comment
iii.Council Deliberation and Action
D.Evans Vista Update Briefing
Action:No action requested. Discussion only.
i.Staff Presentation
ii.Public Comment
iii.Council Deliberation and Action
E.Public Works Fee Briefing
Action:No action requested. Discussion only.
i.Staff Presentation
ii.Public Comment
iii.Council Deliberation and Action
F.Ordinance 3316 Related to Sidewalk Improvements and Amending Port
Townsend Municipal Code Section 12.04.140
Action:Move to approve first reading of Ordinance 3316 Related to
Sidewalk Improvements and Amending Port Townsend Municipal Code Section
12.04.140.
i. Staff Presentation
ii. Public Comment
iii. Council Deliberation and Action
IX. Presiding Officer’s Report
X. City Manager’s Report
XI. Suggestions for next or future agenda, regular meeting and/or study session
XII. Comments from Council
XIII. Adjourn
From:E Lessing Sokol
To:CityCouncil
Cc:publiccomment@cityofpt.us
Subject:Public comment.
Date:Thursday, June 8, 2023 3:47:53 PM
Since I could not express my views and feelings as eloquently - I am sending
my Public comment in the guise of a poem written by a 14 year old young girl
from Ireland.
Respectfully,
Edeltraut Sokol preussenfrau@hotmail.com
1005 Quincy St. Port Townsend
360 385-9002
Am Not a Dress:
We are women, we are warriors of steel,
Woman is something no man will ever feel,
Woman is not a skill that any man can hold,
Woman is our word, and it is ours alone,
I am not a dress to be worn on a whim,
A man in a dress is nonetheless a him,
Women are not simply what we wear,
If this offends you, I do not care,
I am not an idea in any man's mind,
And my purpose in life is not to be kind,
So when my rights are trampled every day of the week,
I will not stand by being docile and meek,
I am not defined by sexists eyes,
There is more to a woman than that shallow guise,
That guise of dresses, bikinis, and skirts,
Those clothes are not what womanhood is worth,
I am not a b****, a terf, a whore, a slag,
Hysterical, a witch, a slut, a hag,
No, I am a woman, I'm a female,
Who will not her rights be put up for sale,
I am not defined by what men are not,
So to Hell with cis misogynistic rot,
I am a woman, I'm not a subset of my sex,
If this makes me a dinosaur, so be it, I'm a t-rex,
I am not a bleeder, nor a menstruator,
A womb carrier or a uterus haver,
Those words and phrases are such a sham,
Just call me woman, it is who I am,
We are women, we are warriors of steel,
Woman is something no man will ever feel,
Woman is not a skill that any man can hold,
Woman is our word, and it is ours alone
†
“All truth passes through three stages.
First, it’s ridiculed. Second, it is
violently opposed.Third, it is accepted
as being self-evident.”
A. Schopenhauer
Isaiah 5:20
"God assumed from the beginning
that the wise of the world would view
Christians as fools, and He has not
been disappointed.”
Justice Antonin Scalia
PORT TOWNSEND CITY COUNCIL
CONSENT AGENDA
June 20,2023
A. Approval of Bills, Claims and Warrants:
Vouchers 172146 through 172297inthe amount of $988,680.87
Vouchers 172042 through 172193inthe amount of $315,138.96
Vouchers 172300 through 172302 in the amount of $150,432.89
Electronic Fund Transfers in the amount of $326,714.85
B. Approval of Minutes: May 1, 2023, May 08, 2023, May 15, 2023
C. Reappointments:
Jim Todd to Parks, Recreation, Trees and Trails Advisory Board
Natalie Maitland to Lodging Tax Advisory Committee
Alexis Arrabito to Arts Commission
Sheila Long to Arts Commission
Michael D’Alessandro to Historic Preservation Committee
George Randels to Historic Preservation Committee
Kathleen Knoblock to Historic Preservation Committee
D. Appointments:
Diane Walker to Library Advisory Board
Alyssa Fuehrer to Library Advisory Board
E. Authorize the City Manager to Execute all Contracts to Complete the
Mountain View Campus Pool Roof Repairs
F. Resolution 23-036 Authorizing the City Manager to Execute all Agreements
Necessary to Complete the Library Window Replacement Project
Action: Move to adopt the consent agenda or request to remove any individual
item from the consent agenda. (Short statements or easily resolved questions are
appropriate without removing item from the consent agenda).
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Agenda Bill AB23-179
Meeting Date: June 20, 2023
Agenda Item: VI.C
Regular Business Meeting
Workshop/Study Session
Special Business Meeting
Submitted By: Mayor Faber Date Submitted: June 15, 2023
Department:Mayor Contact Phone:379-2980
SUBJECT:
Reappointment of Jim Todd(Position 2, Term ExpiresMay 1, 2026) to the Parks,
Recreation Trees and Trails Advisory Board
Reappointment of Natalie Maitland (Position 10, Term Expires May 1, 2026) to
the Lodging Tax Advisory Committee
Reappointment of Alexis Arrabito (Position 2, Term Expires May 1, 2026) to Arts
Commission
Reappointment of Sheila Long (Position 3, Term Expires May 1, 2026) to Arts
Commission
Appointment of Diane Walker (Position 4, Term Expires May 1, 2026) to Library
Advisory Board
Appointment of Alyssa Fuehrer (Position 5, Term Expires May 1, 2026) to Library
Advisory Board
Reappointment of Michael D’Alessandro (Position 2, Term Expires May 1, 2026)
to Historic Preservation Committee
Reappointment of George Randels (Position 3, Term Expires May 1, 2026) to
Historic Preservation Committee
Reappointment of Kathleen Knoblock(Position 1, Term Expires May 1, 2026) to
Historic Preservation Committee
CATEGORY: BUDGET IMPACT: n/a
Consent Resolution Expenditure Amount: $
Staff Report Ordinance Included in Budget? Yes No
Contract Approval Other:
Public Hearing (Legislative, unless otherwise noted)
3-Year Strategic Plan: N/A
Cost Allocation Fund: 010-011 GF - Mayor & Council
SUMMARY STATEMENT: The Mayor is recommending the following appointments:
Reappointment of Jim Todd(Position 2, Term ExpiresMay 1, 2026) to the Parks,
Recreation Trees and Trails Advisory Board
Reappointment of Natalie Maitland (Position 10, Term Expires May 1, 2026) to
the Lodging Tax Advisory Committee
Reappointment of Alexis Arrabito (Position 2, Term Expires May 1, 2026) to Arts
Commission
Reappointment of Sheila Long (Position 3, Term Expires May 1, 2026) to Arts
Commission
Appointment of Diane Walker (Position 4, Term Expires May 1, 2026) to Library
Advisory Board
Appointment of Alyssa Fuehrer (Position 5, Term Expires May 1, 2026) to Library
Advisory Board
Reappointment of Michael D’Alessandro (Position 2, Term Expires May 1, 2026)
to Historic Preservation Committee
Reappointment of George Randels (Position 3, Term Expires May 1, 2026) to
Historic Preservation Committee
Reappointment of Kathleen Knoblock(Position 1, Term Expires May 1,2026) to
Historic Preservation Committee
ATTACHMENTS: Citizen Advisory Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Committees &
Subcommittees Current Rosters
CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION: N/A
RECOMMENDED ACTION: If adopted as part of the Consent Agenda, no further action
is needed; this effectively represents unanimous approval of the appointments and
reappointments.
ALTERNATIVES:
Take No Action Refer to Committee Refer to Staff Postpone Action
Remove from Consent Agenda Waive Council Rules and approve Ordinance ____
Other:
PARKS, REC, TREES & TRAILS ADVISORY BOARD (5-7)HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE (5-7)
Council Liaison: Amy HowardCouncil Liaison: Monica MickHager
Meets Bi-monthly 4:30pm 4th Tuesday at City Hall Meets 3:00pm 1st Tuesday at City Hall
Pos.Name & ExperienceExp.Pos.NameExp.
Matt Miner5/1/25Kathleen Knoblock5/1/23
11
Jim Todd5/1/23Michael D'Alessandro5/1/23
22
Jennifer Rotermund5/1/24George Randels5/1/23
33
4 Pamela Adams5/1/25Walt Galitzki5/1/24
4
Rebecca Kimball5/1/25Richard Berg, Chair5/1/24
55
Russell Hill 5/1/24Craig Britton, Vice Chair5/1/25
66
Deborah Jahnke, Chair5/1/24Kathleen Croston5/1/25
77
LODGING TAX ADVISORY COMMITTEE (11 voting)ARTS COMMISSION (9 max.)
Council Liaison: NoneCouncil Liaison: Ben Thomas
Meets 3:00pm quarterly 2nd Tuesday at City HallMeets 3:00pm 1st Wednesday at City Hall
Pos.Name & RoleExp.Pos.NameExp.
David Faber, Chair (Elected Official)N/AKathie Meyer 5/1/26
11
VACANT 5/1/23Alexis Arrabito5/1/23
22
Cindy Finnie (At Large Position)5/1/25Sheila Long5/1/23
33
Katy Goodman (Recipient)5/1/25Cosmo Rapaport5/1/24
44
Barb Trailer (Recipient)5/1/24Lindsey Wayland5/1/25
55
Danielle McClelland (Recipient)5/1/25 6 Sally Kiely5/1/25
6
Denise Winter (Recipient)5/1/25Joe Gillard5/1/24
77
VACANT5/1/22Dan Groussman5/1/25
88
VACANT (Collector)5/1/22Nhattaleah Nichols, Chair5/1/24
99
Natalie Maitland, Fort Worden PDA Designee 5/1/23
10
(Collector)
Nathan Barnett (Collector)5/1/24 LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD (5-7)
11
Main Street Designee (Nonvoting)5/1/24 Council Liaison: Owen Rowe
12
Arlene Alen (Nonvoting)5/1/23 Meets Bi-monthly 1:00pm 2nd Tuesday at the LLC
13
Pos.NameExp.
14
VACANT (Nonvoting)5/1/20
1
VACANT5/1/25
FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY TASK FORCE Ellie Mathews5/1/24
2
3
Council Liaison: None Jacqueline Mention, Chair5/1/24
TBDVACANT 5/1/23
4
Pos.NameExp.
VACANT5/1/23
5
Catharine RobinsonN/AVACANT 5/1/23
16
7
Earll MurmanN/ADavid Tolmie5/1/25
2
John NowakN/A
3
Richard JahnkeN/A
4
VACANTN/A
5
VACANTN/A
6
VACANTN/A
7
VACANTN/A
8
PEG ACCESS COORDINATING COMMITTEE (8)PLANNING COMMISSION (7)
Meets 3:30pm 2nd Tuesday at the Gael Stuart BuildingMeets 6:30pm 2nd & 4th Thursday at City Hall
Pos.NameExp.
Name
_______, City Council (Chair)Samantha Bair Jones12/31/24
1
Joanna Sanders, City ClerkNeil Nelson12/31/23
2
Melody Eisler, Library DirectorRick Jahnke, Vice Chair12/31/24
3
John Polm, School District SuperintendentViki Sonntag12/31/23
4
________, School District Video InstructorLois Stanford, Chair12/31/25
5
Richard Durr, School District RepresentativeRobert Doyle12/31/25
6
VACANT, Video ProfessionalAndreas Andreadis12/31/24
7
_____________, Citizen Representative
VACANT, Student Representative CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION (3)
Meets as needed
VACANT Producers Group Representative (Optional)
Pos.NameExp.
VACANT Education Group Representative (Optional)
Gail Ryan12/31/25
1
CLIMATE ACTION COMMITTEE (15)Troy Surber12/31/24
2
Meets bi-monthly 3:00 p.m. on 2nd TuesdayRichard Knight, Chair12/31/23
3
Exp.
Pos.Name
N/A FORT WORDEN PDA (9-11)
1 Jefferson County BoCC ( Kate Dean)
N/A Council Liaison: Libby Wennstrom
2 City Council (Owen Rowe)
N/A Meets at Fort Worden Commons B
3
JeffPUD (Jeff Randall - Vice Chair)
Pos.NameExp.
N/A
4 Jefferson County Public Health (Laura Tucker)
N/ABrad Mace10/24/25
5 Jefferson Healthcare (Kees Kolff)1
N/AVACANT 10/24/25
6 Jeff. Transit (Nicole Gauthier/Sara Peck)2
N/ADavid King10/24/23
7 Port of PT ( Carol Hasse/Eric Toews)3
N/AEva Weber10/24/23
8 PT Paper Corp. (Michael Clea)4
12/31/23John Begley10/24/24
95
Cindy Jayne -Chair
12/31/24Rodger Schmitt10/24/24
10 Arlene Alen 6
`
12/31/22Celeste Tell 10/24/24
11 David Wilkinson 7
12/31/24
12 Diane McDade 8 VACANT10/24/22
12/31/2410/24/25
13 VACANT 9
12/31/2310/24/25
14 Kate Chadwick (Policy)10
Dave Seabrook
12/31/2410/24/25
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Agenda Bill AB23-180
Meeting Date: June 20, 2023
Agenda Item: VI.D
Regular Business Meeting
Workshop/Study Session
Special Business Meeting
Submitted By: Michael Todd, Facilities and Parks Manager and Steve King, PW
Director
Date Submitted: June 12, 2023
Department: Public Works Contact Phone: 360-379-5090
SUBJECT: Authorize the City Manager to execute all contracts to complete the
Mountain View Campus Pool roof repairs.
CATEGORY: BUDGET IMPACT:N/A
Consent Resolution Expenditure Amount:
Staff Report Ordinance Included in Budget? Yes No
Contract Approval Other:
Public Hearing (Legislative, unless otherwise noted)
3-Year Strategic Plan: N/A
Cost Allocation Fund: 301 General CIP Projects
SUMMARY STATEMENT:
In April 2023 Council approved the authorization of the City Manager to execute all
contracts to complete the Mountain View Campus Pool roof repairs. After the bidding
process was completed the lowest most qualified bid came in at $73,000. In May of
2023 staff was notified that the bid had been withdrawn from the project after being
unable to meet the minimum state requirements. Staff recommends awarding the
nd
contract to the 2lowest most qualified bidderfor$91,480.That is an increase of
$15,500 from the first bidder.
The Mountain View Campus Pool was constructed in 1962, then four years later in 1966
the roof was installed as an open-air covered pool. With the roof structure nearing 60
years old and recent damage from a failing roof, there are signs that it has reached its
useful life expectancy. The original single ply roof was torn off in 1998 and replaced with
a new single ply TPO rubber membrane layer. TPO stands for Thermoplastic Polyolefin.
Typically, this product is installed by rolling out long sheets like carpet then the seams
are glued by a heating element.
An evaluation done in September of 2013 put the current roof life expectancy at just
under 15 years. This past December with the heavy snowfall received here in Port
Townsend, the roof began to sag from the deep snowpack and as it melted it began to
seep through the rubber layer causing visible leakage inside the pool. At the beginning
of 2023duringaroofinspection, facilitiesstaff found excessive cracking in several
areas primarily along the seams of the pitchof the roof.These cracks show the potential
for water intrusion. They also encountered several weak/soft spots in the roof decking
which tells usthat the insulation and glue-lam beams have been getting wet. The roof
has been leaking for several years now during isolated intense rainstorms. However,
due to budgets and lack of funding, replacement of the roof has not occurred. Based on
leakage this winter and the pool planning process, staff is recommending a short-term
fix be applied.
The entire pool building system has deficiencies that add to the decay of the roof
system. The Natatorium was never equipped with an HVAC system that could keep up
withthe required amount of air exchange needed for that size of facility until the
improvements circa 2012. HVAC system upgrades are needed to capture the off
gassing of chlorine, humidity, and condensation that is built up over top the water. It is
then forced out by seeping through the T & G roof decking where it is captured in the
ceiling where it cannot be appropriately dispersed. This has caused the TPO membrane
glue to fail and the insulation/ roof structure to become soft and tender. Even after the
improvements circa 2012, the ventilation system may not achieve air turnover near the
ceiling resulting in further decay.
Recommended Short term solution: Staff recommends an acrylic coating that would
cover the entire length of the pool roof (1600sqft). This material is rolled on like paint
and acts as a temporary solution. The life expectancy is 5-7 years.
A Long-term solution involves removing the entire roof membrane exposing the decking.
Staff anticipates that most of the decking would need to be replaced. After removal of
the decking, it is likely that the insulation would need to be replaced. Just to replace the
TPO membrane early estimates have cost around $300k. If the decking and insulation
needs replacing, then the costs could double to nearly $600k. This does not include a
much-needed HVAC system upgrade that would remove the chlorine and humidity that
is being trapped inside the roof.
Staff recommends a temporary fix as the most feasible option in the pools current state
and given resources available. A more comprehensive solution could be pursued
depending on the outcome of the pool replacement efforts knows as Healthier Together.
Furthermore, if the roof system was replaced there would likely be changes needed to
the ventilation system. Staff does not recommend a comprehensive study of the existing
pool roof and structure at this time.
Budget and Accounting:
Staff is recommending the cost increase of $15,500 from REET funds to cover the
increased costs of the repairs along with the additional $76,000 that was approved in
April for a total of $91,500.
Staff recommends utilizing Real Estate Excise Tax (REET) as the source of funding for
this project. REET revenues have been strong over the past couple of years providing a
bit of extra capacity in this fund.
Schedule:
Forthe product to be effective, the roof surface needs to be dry for an extended amount
of time. Contractors will first need toprep the surface by power washing, then applying
thethree-stepacrylic product. Once applied, it will take a few days to dry. The best time
for this work to be completed will be later this summer during drier weather.
ATTACHMENTS: (none)
CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION:N/A
RECOMMENDED ACTION: If adopted as part of the Consent Agenda, no further action
is needed; this effectively represents unanimous approval to authorize City Manager to
execute all contract to complete the Mountain View Campus pool roof repairs.
ALTERNATIVES:
Take No Action Refer to Committee Refer to Staff Postpone Action
Remove from Consent Agenda Waive Council Rules and approve Ordinance ____
Other:
Agenda Bill AB23-181
Meeting Date: June 20, 2023
Agenda Item: VI.E
Regular Business Meeting
Workshop/Study Session
Special Business Meeting
Submitted By: Michael Todd, Facilities and Parks Manager and Steve King, PW
Director
Date Submitted: June 14, 2023
Department: Public Works Contact Phone: (360) 379-5081
SUBJECT: Resolution 23-081 Authorizing the City Manager to Execute all Agreements
Necessary to Complete the Library Window Replacement Project
CATEGORY: BUDGET IMPACT:N/A
Consent Resolution Expenditure Amount: $80,000
Staff Report Ordinance Included in Budget? Yes No
Contract Approval Other:
Public Hearing (Legislative, unless otherwise noted)
3-Year Strategic Plan: 4 - Ensure sustainable future for public services and facilities
Cost Allocation Fund: 010-093 GF - Non-Departmental/Contracts
SUMMARY STATEMENT:
There are two priority projects that have been identified for 2023 at the Port Townsend
Library. This first project is for the replacement of the 14dilapidated and aging windows
in the annex side of the Library. These windows are original from 1989 and have
reached their useful life expectancy and are showing signs of rot due to moisture
intrusion which has caused the windows to fail. Noticeable air and water leaks have
been reported over the years. In turn, this has caused an increase in heating usage
especially during the colder winter months as the windows are no longer energy
efficient. The replacement of these windows will drive down our energy costs and
consumption for many years to come. The anticipated life span of new vinyl windows is
roughly 35 years. Along with replacing the windows, contractors will add a new metal
cap on the exterior of the sill to prevent future water intrusion and extend the life of the
window. To save on costs the original interior window trim will be reused. Contractors
will safely remove then reinstalled after the windows have been placed. The plan is for
the Library to remain open during construction which is anticipated to start in August
and last 2-3 weeks.
The window project has been on the books since 2017. The project was originally place
out to bid, and costs came in too high with no responsive bidders. The project was
advertised on MRSC Small Works Roster and staff received 5 competitive bids. The
lowest responsive bid is $79,097.50 including WSST submitted by Sound Glass. Staff is
requesting authorization the City Manager to enter into an agreement with Sound Glass
in the amount of $79,097.50 and further authorizes change orders up to a limit of 20%
given the project is a remodel project and we expect to encounter change conditions
and additional repairs.
Funding:
Washington State Department of Commerce Library Capital Improvement Program-
$172,560
Matching funds from ARPA, Bond Fund, REET- $180,000.
This Resolutiongives the City Manager the authority to award a professional service
contract with Sound Glass for the Library Window Replacement Project. Not to exceed
$80,000.
ATTACHMENTS:
1. Resolution 23-081
CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION: N/A
RECOMMENDED ACTION: If adopted as part of the Consent Agenda, no further action
is needed; this effectively represents unanimous approval of Resolution 23-081,
authorizing the City Manager to execute all contracts necessary to complete the Library
Window Replacement Project.
ALTERNATIVES:
Take No Action Refer to Committee Refer to Staff Postpone Action
Remove from Consent Agenda Waive Council Rules and approve Ordinance ____
Other:
Resolution 23-081
RESOLUTION NO. 23-081
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PORT TOWNSEND,
WASHINGTON, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTEALL
AGREEMENTS NECESSARY TO COMPLETE THE LIBRARYWINDOW
REPLACEMENT PROJECT
WHEREAS, the windows of the Port Townsend Library are failing causing leaks and wood
rot; and
WHEREAS, the Washington State Department of Commerce awarded the Port Townsend
Library a Library Capital Improvement Grant to replace the windows and remodel the restrooms;
and,
WHEREAS, the City budget includes the matching fundsusing ARPA monies, bond funds,
and REET revenues; and,
WHEREAS, the City advertised the project on the MRSC small works roster; and
WHEREAS, the lowest bid was from Sound Glass for $79,097.50;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the City Council of the City of Port
Townsend to obligate the necessary matching funds and to authorize the City Manager to execute
all agreements necessary for the Library Windows Replacement Project, including the
Washington State Department of Commerce Capital Improvement Grant agreement.
ADOPTED by the City Council of the City of Port Townsend at a regular meeting
th
thereof, held this 20 day of June 2023.
______________________________
David J. Faber
Mayor
Attest: Approved as to form:
___________________________ ______________________________
Alyssa Rodrigues Heidi Greenwood
City Clerk City Attorney
Agenda BillAB23-182
Meeting Date: June 20, 2023
Agenda Item: VII.A
Regular Business Meeting
Workshop/Study Session
Special Business Meeting
Submitted By: Laura Parsons, P.E. Date Submitted: June 14, 2023
Department: Public Works/Engineering Contact Phone: 360-379-4432
SUBJECT: Second Reading Ordinance3314 Amending Port Townsend Municipal
Code Chapter 10.28 Speed Limits Established by Adding Four New Sections
CATEGORY: BUDGET IMPACT:N/A
Consent Resolution Expenditure Amount: $
Staff Report Ordinance Included in Budget? Yes No
Contract Approval Other:
Public Hearing (Legislative, unless otherwise noted)
3-Year Strategic Plan: 4 - Ensure sustainable future for public services and facilities
Cost Allocation Fund: Choose an item.
SUMMARY STATEMENT:
The first reading of this ordinance was approved by the City Council on May 15, 2023. This
agenda bills and ordinance is the same as the first reading as no changes have been made.
Staff recommends adopting this ordinance.
At City Council’s Infrastructure and Development (I&D) Committee meeting of May 3, 2023,
committee members supported staff’s recommendation to install additional Edge Lane Road
(ELR) striping on Fir Street (between F Street and U Street), U Street (between Fir Street and
thrd
Cherry Street), 49
Street (between Jackman Street and 53 Street), and 9th Street (between
Sheridan Street and McPherson Street) with this year’s striping contract.
In 2022, ELRs were installed at three new locations, and the speed limit was redesignated to be
twenty miles per hour. Based on the success of these ELRs, it is staff’s recommendation to
designate the speed limit as twenty miles per hour on all the streets striped with an ELR
configuration. Last year, the City Council approved ELR installations on Hancock Street
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between Sims Way and 9 Street, on Blaine Street between Tyler and Monroe Streets, and on
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Kuhn Street between 49 and North Beach. Information on ELRs from last year is available on
the City’s Engage PT website under the Comprehensive Streets Program. See the traffic
calming section of this website https://cityofpt.us/engagept/page/comprehensive-streets-
program.
In order to convert the speed limit to 20 mph on the upcoming ELR streets, the City’s Municipal
Code Chapter 10.28 shall be modified, as allowed under the Revised Code of Washington
(RCW) 46.61.415 – When local authorities may establish or alter maximum limits.
The installation of new speed limit signs will be done concurrently with the ELR striping planned
for Summer 2023 to occur in August, as part of the already budgeted 2023 Citywide Striping
contract. Sign installations would be completed by City Streets Department crews.
Staff is meeting with the neighborhoods to gather feedback. If, through public process in
adjacent neighborhoods to this year’s streets, it is later decided to not install ELRs, then those
streets will not be designated with a 20 mph speed limit.
ATTACHMENTS: Ordinance 3314
CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION:N/A
RECOMMENDED ACTION: Move to approve second reading of Ordinance 3314
amending Port Townsend Municipal Code Chapter 10.28 Speed Limits Established by
Adding FourNew Sections.
ALTERNATIVES:
Take No Action Refer to Committee Refer to Staff Postpone Action
Remove from Consent Agenda Waive Council Rules and approve Ordinance ____
Other:
Ordinance 3314
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ORDINANCE NO. 3314
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PORT TOWNSEND, WASHINGTON,
AMENDING PORT TOWNSEND MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 10.28 SPEED
LIMITS ESTABLISHED BY ADDING FOUR NEW SECTIONS
RECITALS:
The City Council of Port Townsend finds as follows:
1. The City of Port Townsend has installed edge lane roads in certain areas
of the City. Edge lane roads move vehicle traffic to a single lane in the
center of the road and allow pedestrians and bicycles to use the outer
edges of the road.
2. Based on the need for vehicles to alternate travel in the center and yield to
one another, the speed limits for edge lane roads are lower than the normal
speed limits for non-arterial roadways.
3. RCW 46.61.415 authorizes local authorities to establish or alter maximum
speed limits on non-arterial roadways.
NOW, THEREFORE, the City Council of the City of Port Townsends hereby ordains as
follows:
Section 1. Port Townsend Municipal Code Chapter 10.28 is amended by adding the
following new sections:
10.28.060 Fir Street– Between the intersections of F Street and UStreet.
The speed limit on that portion of Fir Street between the south boundary of F Street and north
boundary of U Street is established at 20 miles per hour, and no vehicle of any kind shall travel
onFir Street in excess of 20 miles per hour from the south boundary of F Street and north
boundary of U Street.
10.28.070 U Street– Between the intersections ofFir Street and Cherry Street
The speed limit on that portion of U Street between the east boundary ofFir Streetand thewest
boundary of Cherry Street is established at 20 miles per hour, and no vehicle of any kind shall
travel on U Street in excess of 20 miles per hour from the east boundary of Fir Street andwest
boundary of Cherry Street.
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10.28.080 49th Street– Between the intersections of Jackman Street and 53 Street
The speed limit on that portion of 49th Street between the east boundary of Jackman Street and
the west boundary of 53rd is established at 20 miles per hour, and no vehicle of any kind shall
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travel on 49th Street in excess of 20 miles per hour from the east boundary of Jackman Street and
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westboundaryof 53Street.
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10.28.090 9Street– Between the intersections of Sheridan Street andMcPherson Street
The speed limit on that portion of 9th Street between theeastboundary of SheridanStreetand
the west boundary of McPherson Streetis established at 20 miles per hour, and no vehicle of any
kind shall travel on 9thStreetin excess of20 miles per hour from the eastboundary of Sheridan
Street and west boundaryof McPherson Street.
Section 2. Severability. If any sentence, clause or phrase of this ordinance should
be held to be invalid or unconstitutional by a court of competentjurisdiction,suchinvalidity or
unconstitutionality shall not affect the validity or constitutionality of any other section, sentence,
clause or phrase or work of this ordinance.
Section 3. Effective Date. This ordinance shall take effect and be in force five days after
the date of its publication in the manner provided by law.Publication of this ordinance shall be
by summary thereof consisting of the title.
ADOPTED by the City Council of the City of Port Townsend, Washington, at a regular
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meeting thereof, held this 20 day of June 2023.
_________________________
David J. Faber
Mayor
Attest: Approved as to form:
_________________________ __________________________
City Clerk Heidi Greenwood
City Attorney
From:Tom Thiersch
To:publiccomment@cityofpt.us
Subject:PUBLIC COMMENT: Edge Lane Road striping
Date:Tuesday, June 20, 2023 8:26:08 AM
CAUTION: External Email
Council members and staff:
re: Proposed Ordinance 3314
https://cityofpt.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=4&event_id=3536&meta_id=216355
“In 2022, ELRs were installed at three new locations, and the speed limit was redesignated
to be
twenty miles per hour. Based on the success of these ELRs, it is staff’s recommendation
to
designate the speed limit as twenty miles per hour on all the streets striped with an ELR
configuration.” \[emphasis added\]
First, has any evidence has been presented that shows the “success” of this experiment?
Second, please be aware that autonomous or semi-autonomous vehicles will not be able to
correctly navigate ELRs. The AI in such vehicles is trained to stay in its lane; asking it to
sometimes cross over and straddle a lane divider is anathema to its knowledge base.
ELRs create a safety hazard for all users of the roads.
With more than 4 million Tesla cars on the road (58% market share of EVs), you should not
ignore the hazard that you are creating.
I urge you to put this ELR experiment on the shelf until such time as the majority of
autonomous vehicles are able to handle the nonstandard and hazardous situations** you
have created.
Thank you,
Tom Thiersch
Jefferson County, WA
** Including mini-roundabouts
Agenda Bill AB23-183
Meeting Date: June 20, 2023
Agenda Item: VIII.A
Regular Business Meeting
Workshop/Study Session
Special Business Meeting
Submitted By: Steve King, PW Director, Michael Todd, Facilities and Parks Manager
Date Submitted: June 14, 2023
Department: Public Works Contact Phone: (360) 379-5081
SUBJECT: Resolution 23-037 Renaming the Port Townsend Skate Park as Seamus
Sims Memorial Skate Park and Resolution 23-038Renaming Triangle III Park as
Speakers’ Corner.
CATEGORY: BUDGET IMPACT:N/A
Consent Resolution Expenditure Amount: $5,000
Staff Report Ordinance Included in Budget? Yes No
Contract Approval Other:
Public Hearing (Legislative, unless otherwise noted)
3-Year Strategic Plan: 4 - Ensure sustainable future for public services and facilities
Cost Allocation Fund: 199 Community Services
SUMMARY STATEMENT:
Port Townsend Municipal Code Chapter 2.85.020establishes a process for naming city
facilities. The City Parks Recreation Trees, and Trails Advisory Board took action to
recommend to the City Council the naming of two park. Background for each is as
follows.
Formalize name for Triangle III to Speakers' Corner:
Triangle 3 urban pocket park sits at the signaled intersection of Kearney Street and
Highway 20/Sims Way and serves as a pedestrian island in the busy intersection. It also
serves as an occasional gathering space for local demonstrations and protests, political
campaign sign-waving, celebrations, and other spontaneous outdoor events. One can
find this urban pocket park listed as a gathering location for local expressions of more
widespread demonstrations, where it is referred to as the Kearney Triangle or Triangle
III. The park’s function in our local life suggests that the name Speakers’ Corner would
be appropriate, and on 19 November 2019 the PRTTAB moved unanimously that the
name be recommended to Council for consideration as per PTMC 2.85.020(B). The
budget impact is estimated at $1,000 for new signage. If approved, signage will be
installed after the Kearney Street roundabout project is completed.
Port Townsend Skate Park Naming Request:
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On April 6, 2023,a request was received on behalf of friendsandfamily to dedicate
and formalizea name changeof the Port Townsend Skate Park to Seamus Sims
Memorial Skate Park. In 2002,Deborah Berretha Parks Board representative at the
timeapplied for a grant from the Interagency Committee for Outdoor Recreation. Port
Townsend was awarded a $200,000 grant that was equally matched by the City of Port
Townsend. The success of the application, and it’s ensuing award was due to the efforts
and skateboardinghistory provided by Seamus Sims. During the grant proposal process
Seamus went along with Deborah to the IACCommittee presentation in Olympia. His
speech overwhelmingly convinced the Committee tosupport the request for funding.
The grant was ranked 7th out of 44 applications.Seamus has been and will continue to
be an inspiration for the skate park and the youth of this community. Seamus was not
only devoted to making the skateboarding experience amazing for himself, but for other
community youths as well. His desirefor a safe, functional skate park was shared by
past Parks Director Steve Corra who worked with Seamus and other skaters to fix and
resurface ramps and create a halfpipe.On February 18th, 2023, Seamus passed away
unexpectedly at the age of 41.
City code Title 2.85 PTMC requires that the deceased be passed for more than a year
and thus PRTTABrecommend that the name change be official one year following his
passing in February 2023.
The Budget impactsfor renaming the Skate Park is approximately $5,000 including
costsfor one plaqueand two large park signsroughly fivefeet wide by twoft tall to
cover existingsignage embedded inconcrete. A budget supplemental will be required
for thiswork. If approvedby the City Council, staff will install new signs next year when
the name change becomes effective
ATTACHMENTS:
1. Resolution 23-037
2. Resolution 23-038
CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION: N/A
RECOMMENDED ACTIONS:
Move to approve Resolution 23-037 Renaming the Port Townsend Skate Park as
Seamus Sims Memorial Skate Park. Effective one year after his passing on
February 18, 2024.
Move to approve Resolution 23-038 Renaming Triangle III Park as Speakers’
Corner.
ALTERNATIVES:
Take No Action Refer to Committee Refer to Staff Postpone Action
Remove from Consent Agenda Waive Council Rules and approve Ordinance ____
Other:
Resolution 23-037
RESOLUTION NO. 23-037
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PORT TOWNSEND,
WASHINGTON,RENAMING THE PORT TOWNSEND SKATE PARK AS SEAMUS
SIMS MEMORIAL SKATE PARK
WHEREAS, as a teenager, Seamus Sims was instrumental in the construction of the Port
Townsend Skate Park; and,
WHEREAS, Mr. Sims provided the history of Port Townsend skateboarding for an
Interagency Committee for Outdoor Recreation (IAC) grant application; and,
WHEREAS, Mr. Sims accompanied Deborah Barreth to the IAC for the grant presentation
and spoke passionately about City’s application; and
WHEREAS, because of Mr. Sims’ speech, the City was awarded a $200,000 IAC grant to
construct the skate park;and
WHEREAS, Mr. Sims continued to be involved in the skateboarding community and to
volunteer his time for the betterment of the Port Townsend Skate Park; and
WHEREAS, Mr. Sims passed away unexpectedly on February 18, 2023; and
WHEREAS, the Port Townsend Municipal Code Chapter 2.85 requires that a public facility
may not be named after a deceased person until at least one year after the person’s death; and
WHEREAS, the Parks, Recreation, Trees, and Trails Advisory Board recommended that the
Port Townsend Skate Park be named in honor of Mr. Sims as of February 18, 2024;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the City Council of the City of Port
Townsend that the Port Townsend Skate Park will be renamed Seamus Sims Memorial Skate
Park as of February 18, 2024.
ADOPTED by the City Council of the City of Port Townsend at a regular meeting
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thereof, held this 20 day of June 2023.
______________________________
David J. Faber
Mayor
Attest:Approved as to form:
_________________________________________________________
Alyssa Rodrigues Heidi Greenwood
City ClerkCity Attorney
Resolution 23-038
RESOLUTION NO. 23-038
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PORT TOWNSEND,
WASHINGTON,RENAMING TRIANGLE III PARK AS SPEAKERS’ CORNER
WHEREAS, Triangle III park is a pocket park that is adjacent to theKearney Street and
Highway 20/Sims Way intersection; and,
WHEREAS, Triangle III park has served as an unofficial gathering space for protests,
campaigns, celebrations, and other outdoor events and demonstrations; and,
WHEREAS, the Parks, Recreations, Trees, and Trails Advisory Board unanimously
recommended that Triangle III be renamed Speakers’ Corner to reflect its role in the community; and
WHEREAS, two other triangle parks in Port Townsend have more specific names: Dahlia
Demonstration Garden or Master Gardeners Park and Gateway Park;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the City Council of the City of Port
Townsend that Triangle III park will be renamed Speakers’ Corner.
ADOPTED by the City Council of the City of Port Townsend at a regular meeting
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thereof, held this 20 day of June 2023.
______________________________
David J. Faber
Mayor
Attest: Approved as to form:
___________________________ ______________________________
Alyssa Rodrigues Heidi Greenwood
City Clerk City Attorney
Agenda Bill
Meeting Date: June 20, 2023
Agenda Item:
Regular Business Meeting
Workshop/Study Session
Special Business Meeting
Submitted By: Carrie Hite, Director of Parks Strategy Date Submitted: June 14, 2023
Departments: Administrative Contact Phone: 360-379-2979
SUBJECT: Staff report: Briefingwith City Council on the process of the Envision Golf
Course and Mountain View Commons project.
CATEGORY:BUDGET IMPACT: $
ConsentResolutionExpenditure Amount:
Staff Report OrdinanceIncluded in Budget? Yes No
Contract Approval Other:
Public Hearing (Legislative, unless otherwise noted)
3-Year Strategic Plan: N/A
Cost Allocation Fund: Choose an item.
SUMMARY STATEMENT:
In early 2020, the City Council gave direction to staff to pursue a two-pronged approach
to managing the golf course; issue an RFP and enter into a 3-year operational
agreement and engage the community in discussion about alternative uses. The
Council was given a thorough presentation and discussed a trajectory for the golf
course both at the October 12 and November 2, 2020, Council meetings ( links
attached). The City Council was given options to consider for a possible path forward.
At November 2, 2020, meeting the Council unanimously voted to select option 3, with
some changes. The final option that was voted unanimously stated, “ Authorize the City
Manager to pursue continued golf services for3 years and during this time investigate
alternative use concepts forfeasibility and develop/refine with the broad community
involvement, including the possibility for extended golf use.”In addition, the City Council
authorized the issuance of a Request for Proposal and subsequently entered into an
agreement for operations with the Gabriel Tonan Golf Shop, Inc.for a term of three
years during which time the City would explore alternative uses for the Golf Course.
In addition,in 2020 the City conducted a public process to adopt a Parks, Recreation
and Open Space comprehensive planning element. PROS Plan community
engagement results showed limited use of the Port Townsend Golf Course and interest
in golf in general. Most vision survey respondents did not have an opinion on the
operation, investment, or use of the golf course. For those who did have an opinion,
most did not want to make capital investments, set a cost recovery policy, or explore
partnership options. For those with an opinion, most did not want the City to stop
operating the golf course, but others are supportive of exploring alternative options.
While the future and alternative uses of the golf course were not directly sought, ideas
and thoughts were nonetheless shared during the Vision and System Plan outreach
events. Comments included:
Continuing to operate the golf course for golf.
Allowing multiple recreational uses on the property (e.g. frisbee golf, foot golf) or other
active sports uses that could be accomplished while still having golf on certain days.
Repurposing to more active sports and managing as a complex with Mountain View,
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especially if active sports are not feasible on other properties like 35
street park.
Converting it into a nature park.
Surplusing it for non-park uses.
Based on the PROS plan results and City Council direction, staff proposed a community
process framework to launch a more robust community discussion about the Golf
Course and included Mountain View Commons. City Council approved the “Envision
Port Townsend Golf Course and Mountain View Commons” framework to launch a
community discussion in June 2022 ( link attached). The City Council was again briefed
on this plan and approved an award of bid for a landscape architect firm, Groundswell
LLC to assist with the exploration and community discussion for the Port Townsend Golf
Course and Mountain View Commons in September 2022 ( link attached).
Since this process has launched, staff has seated a 20-member stakeholder committee,
conducted 10 stakeholder meetings, hosted a project launch on-site at the Golf Course
and Mountain View Commons ( comments attached), implemented two intercept events
at Quimper Mercantile and the Food Co-op and met various groups in town ( comments
attached), held two open houses, both in person and virtually, and has implemented two
online surveys. In addition, there is a webpage dedicated to this project with evolving
information, documents pertinent to the properties, the comment log, recordings,
agendas and minutes from the stakeholder meetings, comment cards, distribution list
sign up and comprehensive information about this process. This website can be visited
at www.cityofpt/envision.The third and final open house will be at Fort Worden
Commons on June 22, 2023, followed by a virtual one on June 26, 2023.
The Consultant team will be providing this briefing and it will include the following:
Introductions
Project Background
Public Engagement Process
Project Understanding / Context
Creating a Vision
Concepts
Feedback from Open House #2
Next Steps
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ATTACHMENTS:
1. Envisioning the Port Townsend Golf Course, A Community Discussion. A
Framework.
2. Golf Course and Mountain View comment log
3. Golf Course and Mountain View project launch comment log
4. Small Group Meetings Carrie
5. Small group meetings comment #2
6. Golf Course update to Council October 12, 2020
7. Golf Courseupdate to Council November 2, 2020
9. Envision Port Townsend and Mountain View Commons to Council June 13
2022.
10.Award of bidlandscape architect, City Council, September 6, 2022.
11. Golf Course briefing with Council, January 2023.
12. Presentation for 6.22.23
CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION: N/A/
RECOMMENDED ACTION: City Council be briefed on the progress of the Envision
Port Townsend Golf Course and Mountain View Commons. Ask questions and provide
comments, give guidance for the next steps.
ALTERNATIVES:
Take No Action Refer to Committee Refer to Staff Postpone Action
Remove from Consent Agenda Waive Council Rules and
approve Ordinance ____
Other:
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Envisioning the Port Townsend Golf Course
A Community Discussion
June 2022
Contents
INTRODUCTION ............................................................................................................................................. 3
PROJECT BACKGROUND AND DETAILS.......................................................................................................... 3
Project Scope ............................................................................................................................................................... 3
Community Outreach ................................................................................................................................................ 3
PROJECT AREA…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………4
STAKEHOLDERS……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….4
MILESTONES……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………4
METHODS ...................................................................................................................................................... 6
MESSAGES…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….…6
TIMING, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, SCHEDULE .................................................................................. 7-10
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ENVISIONING THE PORT TOWNSEND GOLF COURSE
May 2022
INTRODUCTION
The Port Townsend Municipal Golf Course was developed in 1904 and includes a regulation-length 9-
hole course, driving range, maintenance buildings, and clubhouse with a commercial kitchen for
restaurant services, and retail sales. The golf course, once privately owned and operated, was converted
to a public course in 1927 and first administered by Jefferson County but is now owned and operated by
the City of Port Townsend. The city leases the golf course to a local business for management and
operations. When converted to a public course, there were deed restrictions on the property. There is
a deed restriction that the largest parcel will be used for municipal purposes only.
PROJECT BACKGROUND AND DETAILS
Project Scope
Port Townsend Golf Club is an aging golf facility located in a small market with a mix of marketable
amenities. The most recent study of the golf course was implemented in 2018 by the National Golf
Foundation (NGF). The NGF completed the study of the viability of the PTGC and found that the facility is
challenged by its declining physical condition and somewhat remote location which limits its potential
market support. NGF has estimated that it would cost $935,000 - $1.2M to bring it up to standard to
attract more visits and become a viable golf course. The upgrades would include improvements to the
irrigation system and pump house, tree and stump removal, purchase of appropriate maintenance
equipment, clubhouse repair, and course repair. Based on this analysis, the City Council decided not to
pursue the recommendation because of the cost for both the capital and operations. They did authorize
the issuance of a Request for Proposal and subsequently entered into an agreement for operations with
the Gabriel Tonan group for a term of three years during which time the City would explore alternative
uses for the Golf Course. The framework included in this document is for the subsequent community
discussion to explore the long-term vision for the Golf Course. This community engagement plan
includes securing a landscape architect to assist with concept planning alternative uses. It also includes
creating a community stakeholder group and launching four phases of community engagement to
envision the golf course. There is an option in phases 3-4 to expand this engagement process to include
the Mountain View campus, as it may include complementary uses.
Previous Community Outreach
The city sought community feedback about the golf course during the Park, Recreation, and Open Space
plan update. PROS Plan community engagement results showed limited use of the Port Townsend Golf
Course and interest in golf in general. Most vision survey respondents did not have an opinion on the
operation, investment, or use of the golf course. For those who did have an opinion, most did not want
to make capital investments, set a cost recovery policy, or explore partnership options. For those with
an opinion, some did not want the city to stop operating the golf course, but others were supportive of
exploring alternative options. In addition to the PROS planning process, staff launched a survey to begin
a community engagement process in September 2020. This feedback led to multiple options for the
Council to consider. In November 2020, Council unanimously directed staff to enter into a golf
operations agreement with a vendor for 3 years, during which time staff would engage the community
to explore the feasibility of alternate uses, including continued use for golf. This planned community
discussion should take into consideration the long-term goals of all of the City’s Parks and Recreation
assets, the proximity of the Mountain View Campus, and the Mountain View Pool, and the need for a
long-term financial sustainability plan.
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PROJECT AREA
The options being considered will be limited to the golf course site, including the parking lot, pathways,
trails, and clubhouse as depicted on the map (Exhibit 1). A small area within Port Townsend Golf
Course, called the Kah Tai Prairie is 1.4 acres and is located in the southeast area of the golf course. The
prairie has been the focus of preservation and restoration by the Olympic Chapter of the Washington
Native Plant Society since it was recognized as a unique botanical site in 1986. The Kah Tai Prairie is
located within the Port Townsend Golf Course and is open to the public to enjoy. The city has an interest
in master planning the Mountain View Campus (Exhibit 2) as part of Phase 3 of the community visioning
plan. The Mountain View Campus is adjacent to the Golf Course and could have some complementary
uses as part of the larger discussion.
Exhibit 1: Port Townsend Golf Couse. Operated by
Gabriel Tonan Golf Shop, Inc. Also includes a
management agreement for the Kah Tai Prairie.
Exhibit 2: Mountainview Campus: includes KPTZ,
Food Bank, Red Cross, Working Image, Parks and
Recreation office, IT, Police Station and YMCA (
operating the pool/gym, some outdoor area). Also
includes Dog Park and Pickleball courts.
STAKEHOLDERS
The city will recruit and seat a stakeholders committee to help guide the process of
public engagement. A more detailed list of stakeholder members, including contact
information, will be developed as the project moves forward.
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External:
Tenants of Mountain View
YMCA
Golf Club
Stewards of the prairie
Park Board
Arts Commission
Teens from local HS.
School District
County
Hospital District
Housing
Internal:
City Manager
Park Board representative
City Staff
MILESTONES
Task TypeEnd Date Owner
6-8/2022 PT
RFP and award of bid for Landscape Administrative
Architect contractor: RFP, budget,
selection/compile stakeholder
group
7/22-9/22 PT
Phase 1 Community Outreach Focus Groups
Develop key criteria/principles
Phase 2 Public Outreach Public Involvement 9/2022 PT, Contractor
Community Vision/Concept Ideas
Evaluate Data, Develop Concept Conceptual Design 10/2022 PT, Contractor
options to share with the
Community
Phase 3 Public Outreach (Evaluate Public Involvement 11/2022 Team
Concepts/Options) Gather
feedback
Evaluate Data, refine the approach Conceptual Design 12/2022 Team
Concept draft (s)
Final Recommendation: Final draft Public Involvement 2/23 Team
with a phased approach, transition
plan, costing, and decision making.
Final Recommendation City Council City Council 3/23 Team
Study Session
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May 2022
METHODS FOR OUTREACH
The project manager will use the following methods to ensure all stakeholders are reached,
informed, and engaged.
DIGITAL PRINT/GRAPHICS INTERACTIVE
Create web contentFlyer Task Force
with an updated
Fact Sheet/Brochure Established Meetings
process.
Ads Board/Commissions
eNews or designed
PT Leader Interest Groups
email
Radio show Intercept events
Social Media
Direct Mail Stakeholders
Video/Photography
Signage/Posters Event/Promotion
Poll or survey
Hard copy survey Open House
Media Release
In-person
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poll/survey
KPTZ Calendar
Online Questionnaire
Public Meetings
Farmers Market
KEY MESSAGES
Currently, most expenses associated with the management of the golf course reside with the
leaseholder as a part of their business operations. A large part of the maintenance is performed by
volunteers. The City still retains responsibility for all capital needs, building maintenance and irrigation
repairs to main lines (~$8,000/year), and irrigation water costs (~$15,000/year). In addition, the
irrigation system would need to be replaced. This is part of the recommended capital improvement
costs. The City does not have a source of funding to pay for the capital improvement needs ($935,000-
$1.2M) identified in the most recent analysis. It is not financially sustainable for the City to continue to
subsidize the golf course. In addition to the financial implications, it is often a best practice to explore
the highest and best use of the land. It poses an opportunity cost if there are alternative uses that may
better serve the wider community. If alternative uses are explored, the capital and operational costs of
any alternate uses need to be considered as well.
The study, a Business Analysis of the Port Townsend Golf Club, was completed in 2019 and showed that
the course would need “considerable investment in improvements and modernization” for its
continuance as a golf course into the future.
PROS Plan community engagement results showed limited use of the Port Townsend Golf Course and
interest in golf in general. Most vision survey respondents do not have an opinion on the operation,
investment, or use of the golf course. For those who do have an opinion, most do not want to make
capital investments, set a cost recovery policy, or explore partnership options. For those with an
opinion, most do not want the City to stop operating the golf course, but others are supportive of
exploring alternative options.
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The City signed a lease for the operations of the course until December 2023. At the time the City
decided to sign an operational lease through 2023, the City also identified a need to consider whether it
should make additional investments in the golf course or identify alternative uses.
Port Townsend Golf Club is an aging golf facility located in a small market with a mix of marketable
amenities. The NGF completed a study of the viability of the PTGCand found that the facility is
challenged by its declining physical condition and somewhat remote location whichlimits its potential
market support.
As such, the City faces a challenge in continuing to operate the PTGC, and it is only with new investment
and a change in operating structure can this golf facility become a sustainable amenity for the City. In
summary, NGF believes that the City can improve the operational condition and economic performance
of the Port Townsend Golf Club through action on the following NGF recommendations:
1. Make a new investment in the PTGC facility, focusing on improving the condition of the golf course
and clubhouse (estimated cost of $1.2 million+).
2. Change the operating structure by not renewing the operator lease and committing to a form of City
self-operation (possibly with anF&B concession).
3. Hire the appropriate senior staff to manage and maintain the facility, including a PGA (or LPGA)
designation for operations oversight and a GCSAA designation for golf course maintenance oversight.
4. Improve the marketing of PTGC, especially in technology, improved website, email program, and
direct initiatives with Port Townsend lodging establishments.
5. Commit to a new focus on attracting less-traditional segments into golf (women, kids, minorities, etc.)
through enhanced player development programming.
Timeline
July, August, September:2022: Request for Proposals ( RFP) Landscape Architect, ImplementStakeholder Group, Identify Key
Principles
August-September 2022: Phase 1-2 Public Outreach, Community Vision, Concept Planning alternates for Golf Course
October -November 2022: Phase3 Community engagement about alternate uses of golf course
October-December 2022: Alternative concept options
January-March 2023: Final planning and decision making
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ENVISIONING THE PORT TOWNSEND GOLF COURSE
May 2022
Community Engagement
Role of the stakeholders:
• Regular meeting attendance: stakeholder meetings and public meetings.
• Listening to what you hear from the community and representing the desire of the wider
community in this stakeholder group.
• Guiding project team (not decision making)
• Sharing your ideas with the Project team and city
• Presenting with the project team at Parks Board and City Council meetings
• Be a facilitator for break-out groups at larger meetings.
• Lead intercept events as needed.
Goals of Phase 1 Community Engagement:
Review of PROS plan, Community Strategic plan
Facilitate focus/interest groups to develop key criteria/principles to guide the community
discussion.
Align the key criteria/principles with previous planning efforts, and community discussions.
Goals of Phase 2 Community Engagement:
Review the golf course’s current status and a most recent study
Start the visioning process of what it could be.
Pros/Cons of the golf course or repurposing
Solicit feedback on a vision
LA starts to draft concepts.
Goals of Phase 3 Community Engagement:
Reflect on 2-3 Concept plans by LA
Interactive process, what does the community like, what do they not like.
Public input to guide final designs and decide on the golf course.
Goals of Final Recommendation Community Engagement:
Gather feedback on concept plan (s)
Cost out the concept plan
Align with Mountain View Campus launch of the master plan
Take recommendation to Council
Phase 1 COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT June – August 2022
Status
Date TaskMeetings
July-September Stakeholder recruitment and kick-off 2-3
2022
Outreach: press release, radio show, market,
distribution announcement, online
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ENVISIONING THE PORT TOWNSEND GOLF COURSE
May 2022
questionnaire, web presence, social media
push. Schools, community groups
Hold focus groups to identify key principles 4-5
to frame the planning process.
Stakeholder review of data and provide 1-2
guidance
Brief Parks and Trails Commission 1
Brief City Council 1
PHASE 2 COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT September – November 2022
Status
Date TaskMeetings
September 2022 Stakeholder preparation 1-2
Plan for the first phase of public 1-2
engagement
Outreach: press release, radio show, market,
distribution announcement, online
questionnaire, web presence, social media
push. Schools, community groups
Public open house #1, virtual open house, 1 in-person, 1
online survey. virtual
Stakeholder review of data and provide 1-2
guidance
Brief Parks and Trails Commission 1
Brief City Council 1
PHASE 3 COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT: January – March 2023
Status
Date Task Meetings
October - Stakeholder meeting kickoff of Phase 3 1
November 2022
Stakeholders: Plan for second public 1
engagement
Outreach: press release, radio show,
market, distribution announcement, online
questionnaire, web presence, social media
push. Schools, Community Groups
Public Open House #2, 1 in-person, 1
virtual
Stakeholders: review input and provide 1
guidance
Meeting: Parks Board/City Council Study 2
Session Update
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ENVISIONING THE PORT TOWNSEND GOLF COURSE
May 2022
FINAL RECOMMENDATION & DECISION MAKING: April - May 2023
Status
Date Task Meetings
January -March Stakeholders 1-2
2023
Outreach: press release, radio show,
market, distribution announcement, online
questionnaire, web presence, social media
push. Schools, Community Groups
Public Open House #3
Stakeholders review input and final 1-2
concepts, provide guidance
Briefing Parks Board 1
City Council briefing and 2-3
discussion/decision
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May 2022
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peterwest@hotmail.com
July5thPeterWestemailIhaveonespecificsuggestionaboutthegolfcourseatthistime.Ihopetogetanopportunitytoengagewithotherswhenthepublicisinvitedtoparticipate.IthinkyourkeyroleascityThanksforyourresponse.W
ewillconsidertheseintheplanningprocess.
toleadersisinthisprocessistoensurethatstrongandhealthyprinciplesareestablishedbeforepeoplestartdebatingthedetails.Ihaveasuggestionforthreeprinciplestoconsider.
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council
1.Thepropertycurrentlycontainingthegolfcoursemustremainopenspaceforalltime.ThismeansthinkinglongtermΑverylongterm.Itmeansnohousing,nonewbuildings,nonewroads,nonew
permanentstructures.TherearemanywaysthatthispropertycanremainopenspaceandbenefitthecitizensofourtownΑincluding,butnotlimitedtogolf.IfindithelpfultoaskmyselfͻǞŷğƷwillthe
citizensofPortTownsend150yearsfromnowbeverygratefulthatwedidwiththegolfĭƚǒƩƭĻͪͼPersonally,Ithinktheywillbegladwekeptitopenspace.Thegolfcoursepropertymayonedaybethe
ͻ CentralPark ͼofPortTownsendwhenthecityhasgrowntolevelsthatwe,today,canhardlyimagine.Andalthough,asweallknow,wedesperatelyneedmoreaffordablehousingthe59acresofthegolf
coursepropertyisthewrongplace.WehavehundredsofacresofbuildablelandallovertheplaceΑincludinguptowneven.Wehavehundredsofacresofcityowned,countyowned,stateowned,
privatelyownedlandforbuilding.
2.Thepropertycurrentlycontainingthegolfcoursemustcontributetomitigatingclimatechange.Thismightmeanmoretrees,differentkindsoftrees,otherwaystosequestercarbon.Butascity
leadersyouabsolutelymusttakeaboldandpublicstandformitigatingclimatechangeΑnotsomuchforwhatcontribution59acrescanmake(itisnotinsignificant)butmoretheleadershipand
inspirationitcanshowtoallofussinceitwillbevisibleandwilllikelyengagemanyofusifnotmostofus.
3.Thepropertycurrentlycontainingthegolfcoursemustincreasediversityandinclusiveness.PortTownsendisoneoftheleastdiverseandleastinclusivecommunitiesanywhere.CurrentlyPort
Townsendislikesomekindof55andoverretirementcommunitymadeupmostlyofwhite(increasinglywealthy)democrats.Nonwhitepeoplearewelcometovisitherebutusuallyasmusicfacultyfor
Centrumorsomeotherartistic/culturalvisitation.YoungpeoplearewelcometoworkherebutnottolivehereΑunlesstheyarehelpedfinanciallybyparents.So,whatimaginationcouldbebroughtto
bearonthegolfcoursetohelpmakeit59acresofopenspacethatwoulddrawyoungpeople,nonwhitepeople?Lowincomepeople?genderdiversepeople?Republicans?Allkindsofpeople?Probably
notgolf(exceptforRepublicans).
Thosewouldbemythreechoices.Openspaceinperpetuity.Mitigateclimatechange.Increasediversityandinclusiveness.YouwilllikelyhavemuchbetterideasbutIwantedtocontributemine.Ithink
establishingprincipleslikethisisthejobofleadershipΑƷŷğƷƭyoufolks!IthinkźƷƭalsoyourjobtoencouragetrueimagination.YouķƚƓƷhavetobeimaginativeyourselfnecessarilybutźƷƭyourjobto
createtheconditionsforimaginationtoflourish.
Lƒnotinvestedinmyprinciples,althoughtheyworkforme.ButIamveryinvestedinyoufolksinleadershipestablishingyourownandgettingcommunitybuyin.OverthefortyyearsthatIhavespentas
anorganizationalconsultant,bothinternallyandexternallyandinover20differentcountriesIhavenoticedthatwithoutclearleadershiparoundkeyprinciplespeopletendtogetlostintheweedsofthe
details.Withoutguidingprinciplesitisoftenmorecommonthattheloudestvoiceprevailsortheemotionallydrivenvoiceprevails.Withoutguidingprinciplespeoplearemorelikelytodescendintoanger
andhostilityandrighteousentitlement.Clearprinciples(notprescriptivedirections)givepeopleawaytoorganizetheirthinkingandakindofguidingnorthstar.
syanof@yahoo.com
13Jul22StevenYanoffemailIalreadysubmittedacommenttotheEngagePTemail(engagept@cityofpt.us)expressingmyviews.ThegolfcourseandcommonsareagreatPTresourceandthisisanopportunityfor
Thanksforyourcomments.Wewillconsiderthesepointsintheplanning
visionandprogress.Isupportconversionofthegolfcoursetoanaturalareawithwalkingandbikepaths,highlightingandexpandingnativelocalPNWecosystems,includingKahTaiprocess.
Prairieaboveandhistoricalmarshesinthelowlands.Hopefullytherewouldbeinterpretivesinageaboutthosenaturalsystemsandhistoricaltribaluse.IalsoamconcernedaboutPT's
lackofaffordablehousingandwouldliketoseepartoffutureplansforthegolfcourseandcommonsaccommodateaffordablehousing.Isupportrecreationalopportunitieslikethe
pickleballcourtsanddogpark.Wetakeourdogtotheparkdailyandourdaughterandfriendsswiminthepool.Idonotsupportextensionofthegolfcourseintothefuture,dueto
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environmentalimpacts,limitedinterest,andcost.Forcontext,myfamilylivesafewblocksfromthecommons,andIregularlywalkorbikewithmydaughteronherwaytoschool.Butwe
donotgointothegolfcourse,becauseexceptforprairiewatching,itdoesnotwelcomenongolfers.
LandinBoring@msn.com
17Jul22LandinBoringIamwritingtoofferinputonthePTgolfcourse.Whatevercoursethecitycouncildecides,Istronglyencouragekeepingpublicaccesstoalltheland,suchthatthelandisopentotheThanksforyourcomments.Wewill
considerthesepointsintheplanning
3public.IamopentoideashowpublicaccessbestfitswiththeMountainViewcommunitycenter.Iamstronglyopposedtodevelopingthelandforresidentialuse,lowincomeormarketprocess.
rate.
tiotiki@gmail.com
30Aug22ToddBlakenshipemailThegolfcourseisn'tbrokenit'snice.Idon'tgolfbutIenjoytheopenspace.Thanksforyourcomments.Wewillconsiderthesepointsintheplanning
process.
waltervaux@gmail.com
5Sep22WalterVauxLetterTo:TheMayorandCityCouncilofPortTownsendThankyouforyourletter,Walter.Ihopethatyouwillremainengagedinthe
Subject:PotentialClosureofthePortTownsendGolfCoursecommunityprocessaroundthefutureofthegolfcourse.Thankyouagain!
Firstofall,Iamnotagolfer,butIamconcernedaboutourevershrinkingopenspace:onceopenspaceislost,itprobablyǞƚƓƷbeopenspaceeveragain.
Youhaveheardalltheargumentsforretainingthegolfcourse.Myconcernisthatitwillbedevelopedforalternativeuses.Alternativeusesoftenincludepaving,buildingsandparking
lots.Ifthegolfcourseweredeveloped,acresofopenspacewouldbelostforever.
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IgrewupinSeattleintheͷЌЉƭͲͷЍЉƭandͷЎЉƭͳitwasalivablecitythen.IwaswellawareoftheͻDƩĻğƷĻƩ{ĻğƷƷƌĻͼmovement.Seattleembarkedonaprogramofnonstopdevelopment.
LookatSeattlenow!
Developmentisaddictive.\[ĻƷƭnotdevelopthePortTownsendGolfCourse;keepitinitsnaturalstateforfuturegenerations.
gbush@olypen.com
PublicatCouncil,notingthereisnopredeterminedoutcome.Thanksfor
6Sep22GeorgeBushLastspringKeriHitewashiredtodevelopacomprehensiveunbiasedassessmentofCitylandthatincludesthegolfcourse.However,asweallreadinthePDN,shewasgiveninstructionsPresentation
commebytheCityManagerto"repurpose"thegolfcourse.Soendedanypossibilityofanunbiasedassessment,andputsintoquestiontheutilityofthefinalconclusionsandrecommendations.yourcomments,yourinputwillbeconsidered
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AfewweekslaterIreceivedanemailfromMayorFaberthataddedtotheskepticism.Itread,inpart,"Idoanticipatetheresultofthis(study)willbetheendofthegolfcourseforahost
ofreasons."Allthisbeforeanypublicinput.
Fortunatelythedecisiononthefutureofthatvenerable117yearoldgolfcourseandthelastlarge,treedopenspacesoneartownisnotuptotheMayororCityManageritisinthe
handsoftheCouncilwhoIhoperemainopenminded.
Please,Councilmembers,considerhowyourchildrenandgrandchildrenwilllookbackatyourdecision.Willtheyapplaudyourdecisiontoretainthatspaceforthem,orwilltheycurse
5yourchoicetosuccumbtoashorttermmonitorygainthroughdevelopmentthatsacrificedtheopenspaceandthegolfcourse.Yourlegacywilllargelybedeterminedbythatdecision.
PleasealsoconsiderthedozensofCouncilsdatingbackto1905whopushedasidenumerousattemptstoallowdevelopmentofthecourse.Theyhadthevision,andtheknowledgeofits
importancetothecommunity,andthecouragetostanduptopressuresofdevelopmentmindedschemerswhodidn'tunderstandtheaestheticandfunctionalvalueoftheopenspace
andthegolfcourse.
Myquestiontoyouisdoyouhavethatsamevision,understanding,and,especially,thecouragetofollowtheirleadtoretainthatbeautifulspace?
gadams@olypen.com
13Jun22VirginiaAdamsletterMynameisVirginiaAdamsandIresideinPortTownsend,WAThanksforyourcomments.Yourinputwillbeconsideredaspartoftheplanning
process.
1.ThoughIamnotagolfer,Iplantolearnthegameandaddittomyphysicalexerciseregimen.It'saffordable,easilyaccessiblelocationandplentyofmentorsandcoachesareavailable
thebabyboomercategoryandit'snevertoolatetolearnanewsport.
toteachgolf.Iamin
2.IhavemanyfriendswholiveintheareaandusethegolfcourseonaregularbasisandmyoutoftownrelativeswhovisitPortTownsendandareavidgolfers.Lastyear,weheldafamily
reunionatFortWordenandthegolfersplayedamorningroundofgolfatthecitycourse.
3.WhatisthePROSPlanCommunityEngagementPlanresultsmentionedintheagenda/memoas"recent"?Pleasegivethedatesitwasconducted.
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4.Mybrotherinlaw,JamesConnolly(5099510270)isaNationalGolfAssociationmember,smallbusinessownerofPlanetTurfandhaspracticedasaconsultanttomanygolfcourses
throughouttheUSandinWAState.Hetoldmethatgolfcourseuseandrevenueshavegone"throughtheroof"sincethebeginningofthepandemicinSpringof2020.Ibelievethat
anotherstudyneedstobecompletedorthe2018NationalGolfFoundationneedsanupdate.Forinstance,anaddendumthatsharedtrendsandfutureforgolfcoursesingeneraland
reportsonwhatthedatashowsforPTGolfCourseontheusageandrevenueinthepasttwoyears.
noemail
7Jul22HenryAmickLetterInshort,myvisionforthesetwopropertiesistounitethemintoone,gorgeous,thriving,centralpark,withBlaineclosedbetweenthetwoproperties.Keepafull9holegolfcourse,butThanksforyourcomments
.Yourinputwillbeconsideredaspartoftheplanning
7realignittoaccommodatewalkingroutescrisscrossingtheproperty.Usinghousingforthisresourcewouldspendanunrenewable
resource.process.
noemail
5Jul22AlisaWelchPhonePleaseconsiderclimateandenergyjustice,socialjustice.Thanksforyourcomments.Yourinputwillbeconsideredaspartoftheplanning
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Callprocess.
noemail
914Apr22StarlaAudette
LetterHighlightingallthevolunteerlaboratthecourse.Thankyouforyourservice.
noemail
1028Jun22MichaelToddPRTTABNotesConsiderwalking,bikingtrails,openspace,asnaturalasitcanbe.Moreamenitiesforyouth.Thankyouforyourinput.
djlangum@samford.edu
28Jun22DavidLangum360Youprobablycan'tsurviveasagolfcourse.Interestedinopenspace,openforpeople.Limitgolf34days/wk,2xweekwalkingtrails,1xweekmotorizedgolfcarts.ChargeanominalsumThanksforyourcomments.Yo
urinputwillbeconsideredaspartoftheplanning
11809orlargersumforthecartrentals.Keeprestaurant.process.
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sjstowell1000@gmail.com
12Sep22SandraStowellEngageWherecanindividualsprovideinputandsuggestionsforbetterusesforthepropertythatisnowleasedasagolfcourse?Thankyouforyourcomments.Wewillbesuretousetheseinourplanning
PTefforts.
Therearemanypossibleusesforthiscitypropertythatwouldservemanymoreresidentsthanthecurrentuse.
Thegolfcourseisclearlyunderused,andprovideslittlevaluetomostPortTownsendarearesidents.Whilewemayappreciatethetreesandthegreenspaceinthecenterofourtown,
wearenotevenallowedonthepropertyacceptonthedrivewayduringthetimestherehavebeenafunctionalcafe.Andpastfoodbusinesshaveneverprovidedfoodorambianceto
drawnongolfers.
Iwouldlovetoseemostofthispropertyremainasgreenspace,butspacethatwelcomesallresidentsandvisitors,notjustthefewwhoplaygolf.ThegolfcourseatDiscoveryBayisa
betterfacilityformostgolfenthusiasts.
Ithinkthe
12Citypropertymaybelargeenoughtoservemultiplepurposes.Itwouldbewonderfultohaveamodestbutbeautifulperformingartscenterwherehere,perhapswherethe
currentbuildingsandparkingareais.Ideallythiscouldhaveaonlymodestadjacentparkingarea,withsomeoftheparkingalong19thandevenoverontheMountainViewcampus.This
wouldleavemuchofthepropertyasaparkwithtreesandwalkingpaths.Thepondareacouldberestoredwithnativevegetation,withlimitedaccessprovidedbyraisedboardwalks;this
wouldprotectwildlifewhileprovidingbetterviewsofthepond.
IwouldlovetoseeasmallclusterofaffordablecottagehomesorduplexesatthecornerofSanJuanand19th,perhapsdevelopedbyHabitatforHumanitywithcovenantsthatwould
maintainaffordabilityonresale.Orthiscouldbeamodestrentcontrolledapartmentcomplex.
Clearlythispropertycouldbe
awonderfulfeaturethatcouldbeenjoyedbymanymorepeoplethanthecurrentuse.Thiswouldbeamajorundertaking,thatwouldtakeconsiderable
planningandtimetocomplete,butIthinkthiscanhappenhere.
terrykgifford@gmail.com
9/14/2022TerryGifford503Thanksforyourcomments.Yourinputwillbeconsideredaspartoftheplanning
Signabout"saveourgolfcourse".Wedefinitelyneedtokeepgreenspace.Olderandsrsthathavebeengolfing,importantpersonalconnection.Let'skeeppartofthegolf,andadd
13330otheramenitiesforothers.MinimaladditionalhousingalongBlaine,partnerwithhabitat.Mixeduse,mostlygreenspace.process.
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fweinmann@cablespeed.c
9/15/2022FredWeinmann,emailInyourdeliberationsregardingthefutureofthegolfcourse,Iwonderifyouareconsideringthenaturalhistoryfeatures/values/importanceofthecourse.Thereissomeliterature,andIThankssomuch
foryourcommentsandthoughtsaboutthehabitatofthegolf
om
isfromotherpartsoftheUS,
PHDhavepersonalexperience,tosuggestthatgolfcoursesareoftenimportantnaturalhistoryareas.Whilemostofthepublishedresearchandliteraturecourse.Iwillmakesuretomakeanoteofthisforourconsultantstoconsiderin
severalgeographicregionsarerepresentedrangingfromsouthwestdesertstothesubtropicalsoutheastofFlorida.Themixtureofwaterfeatures,edgehabitats,andopenareastheirplanningefforts.Itwasgoodtomeetyoulastnight
,andIcertainlycan
provideanexcellentdiversityofhabitats,especiallyforbirds.Thisisparticularlyimportantinurbanandurbanizedareas.Forexample,theCarnationgolfcourseoutsideSeattleisawellappreciateyourperspective.Iwouldenco
urageyoutostayinvolvedwhenwe
knowdestinationfortheEastLakeWashingtonAudubonSociety.ThePortTownsendgolfcoursehassomeexcellenthabitatfeatures.Ihaverecorded70speciesofbirdsatthePTGolfstarthavingpublicmeetings,sothisperspectivecanbe
heard.
Course,withoutmakinganyspecialeffort,justnotingdifferentbirdsasIplayedaroundofgolf.Golfcoursesareoftenbetterwildlifehabitatthanplaceslikecityparksbecausethereis
14lesshumandisturbance.GolfersdonotventureintoͻƓğƷǒƩğƌͼareasunlesslookingforalostball,whereaskidslovetoexplorethemostinaccessibleareasofparks.Also,cityparksdo
nottypicallyhaveͻǒƓƒğƓğŭĻķwetlands,meadowsandforests.insteadtheyaremanicured.ThepondandadjacentwetlandsatthePortTownsendgolfcourseareexamples
ofexcellent,unmanagedurbanwildlifehabitat.IstheresomeonewhounderstandstheimportanceofhabitatdiversityinurbanareascurrentlyonyourͻƭƷğƉĻŷƚƌķĻƩƭͼcommittee?
dbjanke@att.net
11Jun22DebbieJahnkeemailLookingthroughtheagendapacketforCouncil'sMondayworkshop,Iseeyouaredeepintotheprocessforthegolfcourse.UnlessIoverlookedit,Iseenoreferencetoasecond
restricted/protectedareaatthegolfcourse,theareanowreferredtoasHastingsPond.ThewholecoursewasoncecalledSpringValleyGolfCourseandwhatwasthe'spring'isnowthe
pondandwetland,withfouracresprotected,atleastintheory(ithasbeenrepeatedlymistreatedbycurrentlessee,inmyopinion).IhaveattachedthepageinAppendixAfromthe
152020PROSPlanthatspeakstotheprotectionsonboththepond/wetlandareaandtheprairie,bothlistedascriticalareas.Thisinformationcamefromthe1999parksplan,copiedinto
from1998,fromthecitywebsite'sBasin8
the2014planandthenintothe2020plan.ThepondisinBasin8ofourstormwaterplan.I'vealsoattachedthewetlanddelineation
information.
nrecca@aol.com
ToDavid:HiIhopeyouwillbeabletousethewellatthegolfcourse.Wedon'tremembertheoriginalreasonthecitydidnothookuptotheeffluentlinewhenoffered.Howeverifyouwanttohelpthe
9May22NancyErrecaemailThankssomuchforyourwelcomeandyourinterestinthegolfcourse.Partof
courseyouneedtopromotethecoursewhichwillprovidemoreincome.Theproblemisthatthegolfcourseisnotmentionedatallinanypublicationonlineorinprintthatencouragespeopletocometo
mychargeistoengagewiththecommunitytofacilitateadiscussionaboutthe
PortTownsend.Thatwouldbenowhere.ThisisoneoftheoldestcoursesinWashingtonandhasawonderfulhistorywithlocalresidentsliketheEisenbeisandHastingsfamilies.TheLeaderorHistorical
golfcourse.So,staytuned,asIwillbecreatingthisprocesssoon.Thanksagain
Societywouldhavemanygreatphotosandstories.AnarticleintheLeaderwouldbegreatandofcoursegiveyoucopytostartputtinginPortTownsendpublicationsadvertisingthetown.Belowisthe
forthewelcomeandforsendingthisinformation!
firstlettertoeditorafterthreatstoclosethecourseanditgivesabroadpictureofthevalueofthecourse.Ihopeyouwillencouragethedowntownassociationandeveryonewhohasapublicationabout
PortTownsendtoincludethegolfcourse.
Agolfcourseistheoneplacewherechildren,juniors,highschoolers,youngadults,adults,middleagedandseniorcitizenscanallgetalongandassociatewitheachother.Whereelsedoyoufindthat?
Oneofthebigthingsingolfisetiquettewhicheveryonepracticeswhilelearningtoplaygolf.Anditisaveryhistoricalgolfcourseandshouldbemaintainedasagolfcourseandagolfcourseonly.Itisa
pieceofPortTownsendhistory.Amilitaryplaneoncemadeanemergencylandinginasnowstormonthe8thfairwayilluminatedbylightsfromĭźƷźǩĻƓƭcars.
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Thebettershapethecourseisinthemore
playersyouwillget.Italsodrawstourists.Itisnotadifficultcoursetoplaybutitcanbeverychallengingforthebettergolfers.Boththecityandthecounty
shouldcontributetoupgradesandrepairstobringituptostandardplayabilitybecauseallthepeopleofthecountyusethecourse.Anonprofitmaynotbethebestidea.Youwanttokeeptheproshop
andtherestaurantbecausethosebringinalotofmoney.Thecourseisalsoagreatvenueforlocalfundraisingeventtournaments.Itcanalsobecomeaplacetoteachturfmanagementandmechanicsof
machinerepairtostudents.
Retiredgolfcourseemployeeandgolfer
BradSandvig
lizstrom7@gmail.com
9Jul22LizLindstromemailIwouldliketomakesuggestionsregardingthefutureofthelandthatcurrentlyisthegolfcourse.Liz:Iwilladdyoutothegolfcourseengagementdistributionlistwhereyoucan
stayinformedabouttheprocessandprovideinputaswego.Thisprocesswill
IŷğǝĻƓƷhadsuccesswithhttp://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c=16439&d=0oPK4h5n8QDSasFH6LSog8iwSV9P1ooCkdsOCwD7g&u=http%3a%2f%2fcityofpt%2egranicus%2ecomWhenIstartinthenextfewweeks.Thanks.
requestanewpassword,Inevergetalinkinmymailbox.LǝĻcheckedbyjunkmail.
17IwasassumingbythearticleinTheLeaderthatcitycouncilwantedcommunityfeedback.Isthereawaytoprovidethatonline?
Oh,bytheway,Iloveourpool,IloveareparksandIlovearecity!
Thankyouforyourefforts!
cameron@chimacumcente
15Sep22CameronJonesemailMynameisCameronJonesandIrecentlyreadthearticleinTheLeaderregardingthecommunityengagementplanwithaSeattlefirmtofigureoutthebestcourseofactionforthegolf
Thankssomuchforyourcomments.Iwouldwelcomeanyconnectionsor
r.org
course.WhenIinitiallyreadthat,Iwasfairlyconfusedastowhythecitywouldpayforanotherassessment(especiallyoutsideJeffersonCounty)whenthecityitselfalreadyreachedoutcontactsyouhavetoensurethatwehaveadiversi
tyofvoicesatthetable.The
tothecommunityregardingwhattodowiththegolfcourse.IdounderstandthatƷŷĻƩĻƭsometrepidationtotakesubstantialactionwiththecontinuedshadowoftheCherryStreetƭƷğƉĻŷƚƌķĻƩƭcommitteeincludesrepresentativesofMo
untainViewCommons
project,butitstillseemslikeallthepriorfeedbackhasbeendisregarded.Iknowthatseveralinterestedgroupsevenwroteupreallywellthoughtoutproposalsforwhattodowiththebecausetheexplorationofpossibilitieswiththec
ommunityincludesMountain
golfĭƚǒƩƭĻͶǞźƌƌthosebeincludedinthisprocess?ViewCommons.Ascommunityamenities,itmakessensetolookatthesetwo
propertiesastheyarecontiguouswitheachotherandcouldcomplementeach
Asidefromthisinitialconfusion,Ihavealargerconcernregardingwhoispartofthestakeholdergroup.IunderstandtheYMCAandMountainviewhavingastakeduetotheirproximityother.
andpotentialsymbioticrelationshipwithwhathappensatthegolfcourse,butthereseemsalackofdiverserepresentationatthetable.Igetthefulllistoffolksontheboardhasyetto
bereleased,butIfeellikethereareimportantgroupsandvoicesthatarenotasrepresentedastheywereduringthepreviouscommunityengagementprocess.VoicesthatrepresentThisprojectwasrequestedbytheCityCouncilin2020but
wasputonholddue
workingclassfolks,peopleofcolorinourcommunity,andhousingadvocates.tothepandemic.Itisnowmucheasiertogather,andpeoplearemore
comfortablejoiningtogether,hencemucheasiertoplan.
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IfeellikeBaysideHousingorOlyCapwouldbeasuitableorganizationtobeapartofthestakeholdergroup.ŷĻƩĻƭalsoShyacreFarm,acoalitionofdifferentfarmers,builders,and
ThestakeholderĭƚƒƒźƷƷĻĻƭ
activistwhoareneighborstothegolfcourseontheoppositesideofSanJuanwhomighthavesomeinputonthefutureofthegolfcourse.roleistolistentothegeneralpublic(anda
diversityofopinions,voices,andpeople)andhelptheconsultantandmyself
Honestly,IwishthebestforyouonthisprojectandIhopethattherecanbeamorediverseandinclusivediscussionthanusuallyisthecaseinthiscommunity.IfeellikeźƷƭalwaystherepresentaccuratelywhatthecommunityissaying.T
othatextent,itismost
samevoicesatthetablemakingdecisions.SoIappreciateyoutakingthetimetoreadthisemail,andIhopeyouconsiderexpandingwhoisinvolvedinthiscommunityoutreachportionimportantforourcommunitytoengageintheopenhouses
thatwillbe
makesuretheirvoicesareheard.Thestakeholderswillnotform
ofplanningthefutureofthegolfcourse.PortTownsendandJeffersonCountyisadiversecommunityandtheseconversationsshouldreflectthat.scheduledto
therecommendationthatgoestoCouncil,thecommunitywill.
ThanksagainforyourcommentsandIwillmakesuretheyarerepresentedin
thisprocess.
4meagain99@gmail.com
ThankyouforyourinvolvementinreimagininghowwemightbestusethePortTownsendGolfCourseproperty.Thisemailismyopiniononthatsubject.Ifthereisapersontowhomthisopinionwould
9/25/2022NilesPowellemailThankssomuchforyourinput.Ihaveaddedyourcomments/thoughtstothe
bemoreappropriatelyaddressed,pleaseletmeknow.Ingeneral,IwouldliketoseeusapplytheFirsttĻƚƦƌĻƭadagetodowhatisbestforthe7thgenerationfromnow.
logandwewillconsiderthemasweplan.Thankssomuchfortakingthetimeto
comment.
Ifwehadnodebtandalargecashreserve,thenourchoiceswouldundoubtedlybedifferentthantheyneedtobeinlightofourcurrentfinancialstate.WeĭğƓƷaffordtopaveourstreets.Wehavetens
ofmillionsofdollarsofdebt,owedbyacommunityoffewerthan10,000people.And,alongwiththedenialbyourpublicofficialsthatthisisaproblem,wepermittheongoingincreaseininfrastructure
spending,knowingthat25to50yearsfromnowwewillnothavethemoneytomaintainand/orreplacethatinfrastructure,unlesswetakeitfromfuturegenerations.Almosteverycityandtownin
Americahasdonethis,whichisoneofthereasonsthatournationalinfrastructureissobadlydeteriorated.Iknowhowtemptingperpetualgrowthistopublicofficials.Theycanpermitaninfrastructure
projecttodaywhichwillbringinmoney,maybelotsofit,whilethebillformaintainingandthenreplacingthatinfrastructureisputoffforagenerationortwountilsomeoneelseisinoffice.Somyfirst
wishisthatwenotdothat.
Applyingthatcaveat,ifthegolfcoursecanberunasabusinessthatdoesnotcosttheCityanything,great,dothat.IfitisanetgaintotheCity,evenbetter.If,however,weneedtospendmoneytokeep
itafloat,onirrigation,onmowingand/oroninfrastructuremaintenance,moneynotcompletelymatchedbyincomefromthegolfcourseoperations,thenpleasedonotdothat.Closethegolfcourse;
5ƚƓƷirrigateit;ķƚƓƷmowit;leaveitasanunmaintained,wildspaceΑyes,Iknowthatitmayeventuallyreverttoa59acreblackberrypatch.Thepointis,wedonotneedanymoreunnecessary
infrastructurespending.
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Wehavemadealotofquestionableexpendituresinrecentyears,soIamnotsanguineaboutthewisdomofourdecisions.TheCherryStreetApartments?TheHowardStreetExtension?Thesewerenot
waysthatIpersonallywouldhavechosentospendourlimitedresources.Andthepurportedadvantagesofthoseprojectsturnedouttobepieinthesky.Now,allthatmillionsofdollarsofinfrastructure
needstobemaintained,andsomeday,replaced.Whereisthemoneyforthat?ItwilleithercomeoutofthepocketsoffuturegenerationsoritǞƚƓƷgetdone.Thisisnotwisemanagement.Even
competent,wellintendedpublicservants,likeourformerCityManagerandformerCouncilmembershadtheirvisioncloudedbythepotentialshorttermgainsofthoseprojects.Evenifthosegainshad
beenrealized,thoseinvestmentswouldstillhavebeeninconsiderateoffuturegenerations.
Asforthegolfcourseproperty,asunglamorousasthismayseemtosome,ithasincalculablevalueasuntendedopenspace.WeķƚƓƷneedtodoanythingtoit.Birdsandanimalslivethereand/orstop
thereontheirwaytosomewhereelse.Thecalmest,quietest,mostenvironmentallyfriendlycontributionthatpropertycouldpossiblymaketoallofourlivesisasopenspace,or,attheverymost,as
minimallymaintainedwildparkland.
Theabsoluteworstthingthatwecoulddoistomakealargeinfrastructureinvestment,couplethatwithsomeprivateinfrastructureinvestmentandthentakefinancialresponsibilityforthewholething,
forever.Thisisthearrangementwemakeinthiscountryeverydaywithdevelopersandhomebuilders,aswellaswithcorporationsofferingtocreateͻƆƚĬƭ͵ͼEventually,thesearrangementsarealmost
alwaysanetlosstolocalcommunities.Theycertainlyhavebeenhere.
Wehumansseemtofeelcompelledtodosomethingabouteverything,evenwhendoingnothingyieldsthebestresult.Thankyouforlistening.
cbeattyoshea@gmail.com
9/21/2022CathyBeattyEngageHello:IwouldliketocommentaboutthepriorNationalGolfCourseFoundationstudythathasbeenreferredtooverthemonthsduringdiscussionsaboutthegolfcourse.IthinkitwasaThankyousomuchforyou
rinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
PTflawedstudyasitdidnotseemtobetailoredtoasmalltown9holegolfcourse.Ihopethatthenextstudyorsurveywillcontactmorepeopleinthecityandthecounty.IwouldliketoTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpa
ssyourquestions
knowhowthenewlyengagedlandscapearchitectwilldetermineusageofthegolfcourse.Ifhouseholdsareused,whatwillbethedefinitionof"household"?Homeownersandrentersalongtoourplanningteam.Wehaveanoperationalcontra
ctfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
usethegolfcourse,plusafamilymembershipfeecanincludeavaryingamountofpeople.And,notallmonthlyorannualpassmemberssignineachtimetheygotothegolfcourse(even
thoughtheyaresupposedtodosoforrecordkeepingpurposes).Howmanyresidentsofthecityandcountywillbecontactedforasurvey,ifany?Andhowwillwebecontacted?Ourplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainV
iewCommons.
countydoesnotquitefitthestatisticalnorms,soasurveyorstudywillneedtotakeourquirksintoconsideration.IwatchedthevideointroducingthelandscapearchitectandwasWewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforcon
sideration.Inthe
pleasedtohearthatheandhisfirmseemtounderstandthatourcountyisabitdifferent.Asthegolfcourseislookedat,thedogparkandthepoolshouldalsobelookedatwiththemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucansta
yinvolvedinthe
samecriteria.All3areavailabletobeusedbytheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
20public,andall3endupservingonlyapercentageofthecounty'sresidents.Willtherecreationalopportunitiesallbelookedatwiththe
samecriteria?Thereisalsotheskateboardparkandthebasketballcourts/tenniscourts/pickleballcourts.Allofwhichtakeupspaceandareusedbyonlyapercentageofthepublic.EachCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(city
ofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
recreationalactivityservesaspecificgroup.Idonotfavoranyoftheserecreationalactivitiesandtheirspacesbeingtakenawayforanothernonrecreationaluse.Thankyouforyourtakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
consideration.
debimunro@gmial.com
9/22/2022DebiMunroEngageTurnhalfofthegolfcourselandintoaffordablehousing,multiunitandsinglehomesmixed,andtheotherhalfintoopengreenspaceandgardensThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionab
outthePort
PTTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
susanauer5@gmail.com
9/22/2022SusanAuerEngageKeepthegolfcourseasopenspace...andkeepthegolferssincethey'llhelpmaintainthespace.Iwouldlovesomegravelpathsforwalking,andsomedays/timeswhenthosepathsareThankyousomuchforyourinp
utforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
Ptjustforwalkers.Andnotifywalkersoutsidethosetimesthattheywalkattheirownrisk!Idon'tgolf,buttheareaismypark,nativeplants,myjoyofredwingedblackbirdsandotherTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Weha
veanoperational
wildlife,mycrosscountryskitrail,andmygreenway.Otherfamilyfriendlyactivitiescouldbedevelopedthatdon'tjeopardizethebelovedopen,parkqualityofthearea:tenniscourts?contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivet
hroughDecember2023andweare
Pickleball?TheMountainViewareashouldbemadetobetterservethe"hard"bits:pool,puttputtgolf,abowlingalley?,moreparking,theRecyclery,foodbank.inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountai
n
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
22
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
jbronson1@gmail.com
EngageAsanewmemberofthiscommunitybeginninginAugust,2022,Iamsoimpressedwiththespiritofcommunityhereandthegeneraldesiretocontinuetoimproverecreation
9/23/2022JeffBronsonThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
PTopportunitieshere.IwasamazedtofindaveryniceGolfcoursethatIhaveplayedafewtimes.ItisarealgemforthecityandashameiftheCitydecidedtocloseitforalternateuses.TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehav
eanoperational
ThiscoursecouldbemuchbetterutilizedbygolferswholiveorvisithereiftherewasbettereffortbytheCitytopromoteit.ThephotosontheCitywebsiteandverynice,butthecontractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecem
ber2023andweare
descriptionshouldbechangedtosay9/18holecourseaswiththedifferentteeplacementsonecanplay18holes.Manyvisitinggolfersmightgetthewrongimpressionbycallingita9inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolf
CourseandMountain
holecourse.TheCoursecouldusesomehelpbytheCityformaintenanceupgrades.Thiscourseissobelovedthatmanylocalgolfersactuallyvolunteertheirtimetohelpwithupkeep.ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningp
rocessfor
Thisishowreveredthiscourseis!PortTownsendhasplentyofparksincludingaveryniceandlargeoneinFortWarden,alsoFtTownsendandonMarrowstoneatFortFlagler.Wedon'tconsideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpag
eforotherwaysyou
23needanotherpark,buttobeacompleteCitytoprovideforall,wedoneedthisgolfcourse.IplayatWhitehorseinKingston,PortLudlowGC,TrophyLakeandothersandtheyallhavecanstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTow
nsendGolfCourseand
walkingpathsthatdon'tinterferewithgolfthatareusedbythegeneralpublic.IthinkPTGCcouldpossibleaddsometothiscoursetoaccommodatethosethatdon'tgolf,butwanttoMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington
(cityofpt.us).
takeawalkthere.Thiscomeswithcost,ofcourse,butlessthanitwouldtaketocompletelyretoolthisforjustaparkusage.PleasekeepthegolfcoursegoingandhelpprovideforThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
ongoingmaintenance.Thankyou.
paq@olypen.com
9/25/2022PatriciaGrangerEngageAsanavidgolfer,Istronglyrecommendleavingthegolfcourseasagolfcourse.ItshouldbepromotedmorebytheĭźƷǤΓķźƩĻĭƷźƚƓğƌsigns,brochuresinmotels/hotels,etc.ItshouldalsoThankyousomu
chforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
PTmovefromGabrielTonantoaprofessionalmanagerthatwillpromotegolfevents,bemoreaggressiveinbringinginnewmembers,andmaintainvisibilityandgoodwillinourcity.TheTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Weha
veanoperational
naturalhistoryofthegolfcourseisuniqueandshouldbeƦƩƚƷĻĭƷĻķΓƷŷĻlastremnantofprairie,thewetlandwheremanybirdsbreed,includingtherareVirginiaRail,andthebrushandcontractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethrou
ghDecember2023andweare
woodlandthatishometomanycrittersinthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
andspeciesofbirds.Golfisarecreationthatcanbeenjoyedthroughoutapersonslife;youngandold,alike,canparticipate.Yes,somemoney
shouldbeputintothecourse,butnothingliketheinflatedfiguretheNGFrecommends.ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
Flossiebode@gmail.com
9/26/2022FlossieBodeEngageFirstoff,Iamnotagolfer.However,myhusbandisanavidgolferwhousesthecourseatleastthreetofourtimesaweekwithseveralgolfingbuddies.Thesepeoplerangeinagefrom70Thankyousomuchforyouri
nputonthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
PTto90andgolfingatthePTCourseisapassionforthem.Thislittlecourseisanabsolutegemandhasbeenfor94years.Thisistheperfectexerciseforpeopleofallagesandisasportyou
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
cancontinuetoplayallyourlife.PleaseƌĻƷƭkeepthisapubliccourseandhavethecitytakesomeprideinitbyputtingitontheirwebpageandlettingpeopleknowthatitisthereforcontractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethrough
December2023andweare
theiruseandenjoyment.inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
Nerreca@aol.com
9/19/2022NancyErrecaEmailHiIthinkyousaidthatthepubliccanattendbutcannotsayanything.HowcanwegetinformationorcommentstothemifwehaveinfothatcanansweraquestionororsomethingThepublicwillbeabletosubmitcomm
entsonline,andprovidecommentsat
else?Willthecommitteehavetheirownemailorwillitgothroughyou?numerousopenhousesandonlinesurveys.Theroleofthestakeholder
committeeisasastaffadvisorycommittee.Theywillbechargedwithlisteningto
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thepublic,thecomments,theonlineopenhouses,andguidingthedesignteam
andmyselfonwhattheyheard.Thankyou.
mcclean@olypen.com
9/16/2022MikeMcCleanemailThisnoteistothankyouformeetingwiththePTgolferslastnightandfordoinganexceptionaljobofhandlingavarietyofquestionsandcommentsinagraciousandinformativeThankssomuchforyourcomments
.TherehasbeenastudywithNGFthatwas
manner.Themeetinggreatlyclarifiedhowtheinformationgatheringprocesswillunfoldthatwillgiveyouthebasisforyourrecommendationstothecitycouncil.completedthatspeakstothesetwoissues.Whethertheyareaccurateorn
ot,
theyarepresentinthestudythatwascompleted.Thisisthereasonwehave
IwishIhaddonealittlemorehomeworkbeforethemeeting.TodayafterreadingoverpressreleasesfromthecitycouncilandtherelatedarticleintheLeader,IthinkitisveryhiredanotherNWgolfconsultanttodoastudy.Hopefullythis
studywillclear
documentsbecorrected.First,thatitwillcostaboutamilliondollarstoattractmorevisitsandmakePTGCaviable
importantgoingforwardthattwomisconceptionsputforthintheseupanyquestionabouttheresultsoftheNGFstudy.Thanksagainforyour
golfcourse,andsecond,thatthecourseisinaremotelocation.Iwouldbegladtotalkwithyouinperson,onthephone,orwriteyoufurtheraboutwhyIthinkboththeseideasarecomments.Iwillpassthemalongtotheplanningteam.
incorrect.Insofarasitispossible,Ithinkthesetwomisconceptionsneedtobecorrectedforthepublicgoingforward.
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IamhopefulthattheplannedNorthwestgolfconsultantwillhaveabroaderperspectiveonthegamethanNGF,coupledwithanappreciationfortheuniquenatureofthePortTownsend
community,allowingthemtoseethatthecourseisactuallymuchclosertothelevelofviabilitythatwouldsatisfythecouncilmembers.
Sammi.bairjones@gmail.co
9/26/2022SammiBairJonesEngageIwouldloveforthegolfcoursespacetobemoreusableforamorebroadbaseifourcommunity.LƷķbewonderfultohaveaparksimilartohjcarrolintownwithnativegardens,Thankyousomuchforyourinput
forthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
m
PTgatheringspacesbothcoveredanduncovered,walkingpaths,kidsplayareas,andactivesportingareas.TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
28Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
ptmlee@olypen.com
9/26/2022MargaretLeeEngageThemainreasonIwanttokeepthegolfcourseisbecauseofglobalwarming.';wemustpreserveourgreen,openspaces.ThegolfcourseissuchaspaceandalsoprovidesasportthatusThankyousomuchforyourin
putforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
PTbothhealthfulandnonpolluting.TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
29Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
cbeattyoshea@gmail.com
9/26/2022CathyBeattyOurplanningteamwilltakeintoconsiderationthe
EngageHi:Ihad2morequestions:IreadinthematerialprovidedonlinethatthePTGolfCourseisconsideredpartofthestormwatermanagementplan,sohowwouldotherusesaffectthatstormwaterrequirementsand
PTplan,especiallyifimpervioussurfacesareusedtocoverpartoftheGolfCourse?Ialsorememberreadingsomewhere,maybeinanoldemail,thatacityemployeewasunabletofindthefunctionaswestartthecommunitydiscussions.Inad
dition,thecityhaspulled
writtenagreementsthatlaidouttherestrictionsonwhatthecoursecouldbeusedfor,butthathethoughtthatithadonlybeenaverbalagreement.HeseemedtobediscountinganythetitlestotheGCpropertyandthedeedrestrictionsdeno
tethatitmustbe
30verbalagreements.But,theStateofWashingtondoesregardverbalagreementsasvalidandbindingcontractsundermostcircumstances.HowdidhedocumenthisresearchintheCityusedformunicipalpurposes.Thanksforyourinquiry
.
records?Andshouldtherebeamorerobustsearchofthoserecords?Thankyou,Cathybeatty.
Nerreca@aol.com
Hi - I am just wondering about the space as the 26 attendees can't even sit at a table and talk to each other unless there is another adjoining open room. What are your plans if a lot
of
9/27/2022NancyErrecaEmailIwillthinkaboutallofthis.Wewillbeplanningtheopenhousesandinviting
people come? Will you go to Cotton building or community center? In years past these things have moved to Commons at the Fort. The chambers if full is a good place for covid
everyonetoweighinattheopenhousesinlargervenues.Themeetingthis
exposure as there is no ventilation. Can you open windows and broadcast outside so people could hear? I know you want a lot of people to engage so you must have a plan for safety.
Thursdayisthe1820personstakeholdercommittee,wherethepublicisinvited
31toattend,butitisnottosolicitinput.Itisforthestakeholderstohelpusmap
outthedirection.Iwillworkwithourconsultanttoopenupthehybridmeeting
tothepublicthatwantstoattend.Thanksforyourinput.
9/27/2022PatrickGallagherMailThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
32Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
9/28/2022SteveGrimmffgrimm@gmail.comEngageKeepitasagolfcoursefornowandawaitarealdireneedsometimeinthefuture.IguaranteeonewillpopupeventuallyinourlifetimeandǞĻƩĻgonnabegladwehavethatlandstill.
ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
PTAlreadyinPT,Thereare27Cityownedparks,5Countyownedparks,and2StateownedparkslocatedwithinCitylimitsand31milesoftrails.Mostwecannotevenmaintainorfund.TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpass
yourquestions
Pleaseletthegolfcoursecontinuetooperate.Alsomydaughtersgolfandreallyenjoyit.IlikethereasonablepricesandhowźƷƭlaidbacknotlikearichygolfclubcourse.alongtoourplanningteam.Wehaveanoperationalcontractfor
theGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
33Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
9/28/2022RichHillrichhillpt@gmail.comEngageKeepthegolfcourse.PleaseķƚƓƷtrytofixsomethingƷŷğƷƭnotbroken.FocusonfixingthestreetsThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
PTTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
34Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
9/28/2022Brandonbrandonrobishaux30YouhavegottenridofeveryotherpossiblefunthingtodoinPortTownsend.Keepitagolfcourse.ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
Robichaux@hotmail.comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
35Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
9/28/2022KirkAlbrightkirk.albright@verizon.
net
QuestionsforCarrieHite:1.WouldyoupleaseasktheCouncilmemberstowalkclockwisearoundtheproperty,startingatMountainView?OnthegolfcoursesideofBlaine,19th,San
JuanandFStreets,thepropertypresentsasomewhat"hostile"facetopedestrians,almostlikeawall,exceptforabout300stepsalongCherryfromAStreetto19th.Alsoincludethe
Thankssomuchforattendingthemeetingyesterdayafternoon.Itwasgreatto
pathupfromtheendofRedwoodtoCherryatASt.Somearesayingthatweneedtopreserve"open"space,butifyouarenotabird,deer,coyoteorpossiblyagolfer,tocallit"open"is
36meetyou.
somewhatdisingenuous.2.DoesthescopeofworkforGroundswellinclude:a.AddressingtheproposeddevelopmentattheShyAcrefarmpropertyacrossSanJuan(howmany
cornerofSanJuanandF/Discoverywhereagas
proposedunitsareintheplanningorpermittingstage?);thefuturedevelopmentofpropertyacrossFStreet;andalsopropertyonthe
stationoncesat,withundergroundtanks?b.Addressingthe"Carmel"property,whichtheCitymaysoonproposetosell?CouldthisbeincorporatedintoareworkingoftheMountain
Viewcampus?c.Reviewinglocationsnearbywheretrafficcirclesmaybeproposed,forexampleatSimsandKearney?d.CreatingalinkwithKahTaiLagoonandthereworkingofSims
WayalongsideBoatHaven?QuestionsforGroundswellLandscapeArchitecture,ChrisJonesandRebeccaMelvin:1.Couldthispropertybeour"CentralPark,"inthetraditionofOlmsted,
knittingtogetherKahTai,Mountain
View,HappyValley,andthepathalongsideQuimperVillagethroughFroggyBottomtoFortWorden?2.Arethecoyotesbeingconsideredas
Stakeholders?Rebeccanotedthat"LandscapeArchitectureisasmuchaboutlisteningasitisaboutbuildingandimpartingthevalueofbeingaculturaladvocateforthenaturalworld."3.
WoulditbepossibletoinviteArchitectureandUrbanPlanningSchools(U.W.,W.S.U.,etc.)asparticipantsinadesigncharettefo
Herearesomeanswerstoyourquestions:
QuestionsforCarrieHite:
1.WouldyoupleaseasktheCouncilmemberstowalkclockwisearoundthe
property,startingatMountainView?OnthegolfcoursesideofBlaine,19th,San
JuanandFStreets,thepropertypresentsasomewhat"hostile"faceto
pedestrians,almostlikeawall,exceptforabout300stepsalongCherryfromA
Streetto19th.AlsoincludethepathupfromtheendofRedwoodtoCherryatA
St.Somearesayingthatweneedtopreserve"open"space,butifyouarenota
bird,deer,coyoteorpossiblyagolfer,tocallit"open"issomewhat
disingenuous.TheCityCouncilhadtheopportunitytovisitthesiteabouta
monthago.Iwillencouragethemtolookatitagainwithapedestrianhat.
Thanksforthecommentsandsuggestion.
2.DoesthescopeofworkforGroundswellinclude:a.Addressingtheproposed
developmentattheShyAcrefarmpropertyacrossSanJuan(howmany
proposedunitsareintheplanningorpermittingstage?);thefuture
developmentofpropertyacrossFStreet;andalsopropertyonthecornerofSan
JuanandF/Discoverywhereagasstationoncesat,withundergroundtanks?No,
asthisisprivateproperty.Whatweheardyesterday,though,wastoconsider
theadjacenciesintheplanningprocess,sowewilldothat.Thanks.
b.Addressingthe"Carmel"property,whichtheCitymaysoonproposetosell?
CouldthisbeincorporatedintoareworkingoftheMountainViewcampus?The
difficultyincludingthisproperty,istherehabofthebuildingisprohibitively
expensive,andthegeographicallocationrequiresthecrossingofCherrystreetto
theotheramenities.Wehavetalkedaboutit,butmynotbeagood
reach
solutiontoMountainView.
c.Reviewinglocationsnearbywheretrafficcirclesmaybeproposed,forexample
atSimsandKearney?Wewilllookatalladjacenciesandtheimpacts.
d.CreatingalinkwithKahTaiLagoonandthereworkingofSimsWayalongside
BoatHaven?Again,Wewilllookatalladjacenciesandtheimpacts.IwillletChris
answertheotherquestions.ThanksKirk.
9/28/2022Stephaniestephaniewitheridge
EngageThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
Witheridge@gmail.comPTTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
37Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
Pleasekeepasagolfcourse.Ouryouthusethiscourseforthehighschoolteam,crosscountryeventsandfamiliesinthecommunityenjoyusingit.
9/28/2022ScottPulidoscott_pulido@yahoo.EngageSameresponse
comPTThePTGolfhasbeenatreasuretobefoundinthemiddleoftheheartofPortTownsend.GrowingupintownI'vehadtheopportunitytospendgreattimesmakingmemorieswithmy
parents,grandparents,childrenandfriendsovertheyears.Golfersofallageshavetheopportunitytolearnandexerciseboththeremindsandbodiesinahealthyoutdoorexperience.To
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losesuchasafehavenforourandfuturegenerationswouldbethegreatestlossforallofourcommunity.Itrulyhopethatmythoughtsandcaresforsuchanimportantcommunity
institutiondonotgounheeded.Pleasesaveourcourseforalltoenjoy.Sincerely,ScottJ.Pulido.
9/28/2022Bevbevstapf@hotmail.coSameresponse
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KeepthePortTownsendgolfcourse,agolfcourse.
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9/28/2022LeahKilgorePtkilgore3@gmail.coSameresponse
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mPleasekeeptheGolfcourse
9/28/2022NickYelacaTheyelacas@gmail.coSameresponse
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Keepthegolfcourse.
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9/28/2022Savannasavannahoffmann23Sameresponse
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@gmail.comKeepthegolfcourse!
9/28/2022KennyYinglingJR.kenwyingling@gmail.cSameresponse
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9/29/2022AmyTaylorgeofftaylor991@gmailSameresponse
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9/29/2022SeanMcGinnissmcginnis47@gmail.c
Keepisasagolfcourse.Sameresponse
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9/29/2022TravorBergentrev863@hotmail.coSameresponse
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mKeepitasagolfcourse.FocusonMountainViewforimprovementandengagingthepeoplethatķƚƓƷgolf.
9/28/2022AlysonDeanalycat785@yahoo.coKeepthegolfcourse!Sameresponse
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9/28/2022JanRallsjdralls63@gmail.comSameresponse
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We,asafamily,lovegoingtothiscourse.Alwaysfriendlyandit'sanactivitythatmywholefamilycandotogethe
9/28/2022ChadWitheridgechadwitheridge@gmaSameresponse
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Ourchildrenneedagolfcourseintown.Skatingrinkgone.Bowlingalleygone.Pleasedonotcontinuetoremovesafeplacesforkids.
il.com
Pleasekeepthegolfcourseasagolfcourse.Itisavaluablelocal,affordablevenueforJeffcoresidentsandguestsalike,oldandyoung.Iwould,however,beinsupportofaddingasection
9/28/2022ShonaGrimmshonabliss@gmail.coSameresponse
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mforminigolftoaddanotheractivityforallages
519/28/2022LilyMartinRilijunk@gmail.comKeepthegolfcourse!Sameresponse
9/28/2022KarissaBergenbergenkarissa@gmail.Sameresponse
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Keepitasgolfcourse,addingaputtputtsection.
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28SepGailWorkmanmarksyounglady@gmPleaseusethegolfcourseforhousingforlowincomepeople.Thereareplentyofotherplacesinthisareaforoutdoorrecreation,whereasthereisaseverelackofaffordablehousing.Sameresponse
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Thankyouforinvitingmyinput.
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9/28/2022NettieVanderVenHeybabypt2018@gmaSameresponse
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il.comPleasekeepthistheporttownsendgolfcourse!Lƒabornandraiseporttownsendgirlandnothingwillfillinthatspacebetterthenourhometowngolfcourse.
9/28/2022LenaCurtislenacurtis@hotmail.cSameresponse
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WouldlovetoseeaspacesimilartoHJCARROLwherethegolfcourseis,withdifferentopportunitiesforpeopletorecreateoutside(golfincluded).
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9/28/2022MarkBaclawskimarkbaclawski@yahoSameresponse
56o.comConvert9holegolfcoursetoadrivingrange.Converttheresttonaturalareaswithtrailsandotherwaysforhumanstoenjoyoutsiderecreation.Nohousing.OtherareasofPTarebeing
developedforhousing,bothaffordableandnotaffordable.Citieswithanicecentraldiverseparktendtobemore"livable".
9/28/2022GavinRogerskara3gavin@gmail.coSameresponse
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Pleasekeepitasagolfcourse.Itistheonlyaffordableplaceformeandmykidstoplay.
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9/28/2022NateHolmescontrail200@gmail.coSameresponse
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mKeepthegolfcourseagolfcourse.Whenitisgoneitisgone.Nogettingitback.
9/28/2022SamanthaMillersepauly@hotmail.comSameresponse
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Keepthegolfcourse!
9/28/2022KelleRiley1coachkelle@gmail.coKeepitasafoldcouse.Sameresponse
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9/28/2022AshleyQuinnAshleyquinn09@gmailKeepthegolfcourse.Sameresponse
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9/28/2022EmanuelAbbotteabbott1919@gmail.cKeepourcourse.Sameresponse
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9/28/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.com
Itwasnicetofinallymeetyouyesterday.Thankssomuchforattendingthe
stakeholdersgroup.TheinformationthatIamusingforthegolfcourseisfroma
Hi - good meeting and good people and ideas it seemed. However please stop putting prejudicial information in the paper. You again mention several bad things about golf course and
fullypaidforandsanctionedstudyofthegolfcourse.IĭğƓƷdenythatreportor
low interest from a survey that left out many people who use the course and put in an idea that it could go away and be housing encouraging many people to want to get rid of course.
history,butwhatwecandogoingforwardistaketheopportunityto
There was no need to mention that in announcing the meeting. You say you want to be fair and if you do you should at least add that many people want the golf course to stay as it is.
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least you did not put in the 1.2 million even Chris knows that is not right. Please either take it off your documents online and printed material that farmer's market people hand out
or
substantiateitornot,andproducemoreinformationthattakesinto
change it to say a local report coming or it seemed expensive or something instead of trying to drill the 1.2 million into everyone who reads about golf course. I know your bosses are
considerationPortTownsend.Iamnotintentionallyprovidingfalseinformation,
pushing you but your words are detrimental.
justthefactswehaveinfrontofus.Ilookforwardtoarobustcommunity
conversation.Thanksforyourcomments.
10/1/2022KathyHowardsassyone@cablespeedemailThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
.com
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
Hi,LƒKathyHowardandLǝĻbeenaconstantpooluserforover20years,usingthedeependforexerciseandclasswhenthereisaninstructor.Igodaily,early,assoonasthepool
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
opens.TwoofmypoolfriendsandIhavecomeupwithanideatoreplaceourfailingpool.First,thereisalotofgrantmoneyforpoolsandrecreation,especiallyforruralareas.Second,
Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
thefairgroundsmorethanafewdaysayear.AOlympic
landandaplanofwhatandwherethepoolwouldbeisveryimportantbeforegrantmoneycanbeaskedfor.Ourideaistouse
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
sizedpooltherewouldbeagreatplacetostartanactivitycenter.źƷƭonthebuslineandƷŷĻƩĻƭalotofroomforparking,whichMountainViewissorelylacking.Therestofourideais
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
haveMANAGEDgrowthatthefairgroundstoincludeotheractivitiesforallages.Whichmightincludeagym(forthepickleballersandothers),anindoorskatingrink,abuildingforindoor
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
yeararoundfarmersmarketwithroomforseasonalvendorstostillerecttheirtentsorcoveringsduringthegrowingseason.Ifthiswasmanagedwell,thisprojectcouldhaveaplanand
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
the
doitallinsteps,notallatonce.Therearealotofotherpossibilitiesthatcouldbeaddedaswell.Grantmoneymaybeavailableforalotoftheseideas,savingahugeburdenon
taxpayers.WehavehadtroublekeepingprofessionalpeopleherebecausethereźƭƓƷanythinghereforkidstodo.Weneedthatchangedsowecanhavegoodyoungdoctorsand
dentistsandotherprofessionalpeoplehereandhavethembegladtheycametoourcommunity.ThepoolusersconcernsareaveryagedpoolwiththelifeofourͻƓĻǞͼlinergettingto
expirationdaterapidly.Thelastlinercausedthepoolclosureforoveraweekandveryexpensivetoo.TheswimteamķƚĻƭƓƷhavearegulationpooltotraininandotherteamsǞƚƓƷ
comeherefor
64meetsbecausetheirtimesķƚƓƷcountduetotheshortlanes.Ourkidsdeservebetterthanthis!Andourpoolosbeingheldtogetherwithbandaids.Asa70+yearold
seniorcitizen,thepoolisVERYimportanttomeforkeepingmeexercised,jointsbeingabletomoveandallaroundfuntobeinthewater.ThePool,formostoftheseniors.Istheonly
activitywecandotokeepusmobileandmoving.LƷƭwaymore,tous,thanjustfunźƷƭanecessity!Missingevenonedaymakesahugedifferenceofhowwefeelandhowwemove.I
drivefromalmostMarrowstoneIslandandmanydays,morethanIcaretoevencount,Igettothepooltofindtheyareclosedforchlorinelevels,shortstaff,toocoldtoswim,waitingfor
partstorepairtheoldsystem,whichcantake
weeksifeventhepartsareevenfound.Wesupportthepoolevenwithallthisgoingon,butpatienceiswearingsuperthinwithyearsof
theseƦƩƚĬƌĻƒƭͶ͵͵itweneedourpool.!!Thelasttimetherewasserioustalkofapool,about6yearsago(maybeevenlonger)thepricehasdoubledfortheconstructionoftheproject.
Moneywasspentonsurveysofwhatpeoplewanted,wheretoputthepool,wouldyousupportanewpooletc.Nothinghappenedthenandpoolisgettingolderandolderwithnoplans
insite.Ifwelosethepool,thereiszeroactivitiesforseniorsandƉźķƭͶ͵źƷƭtimetogetVERYseriousaboutanewpool.LƷƭamazinghowmanypeopledonotrealizetheageofthispool,
wherethepoolis,whyweneedanewpool.MyfriendsandIusethepool5days
aweek,itwouldbemoreIFtheywereopenmoredays.Thatkindofuse,iswaytomuchtoaskustogo
theSequimorPortAngelesorSilverdale.TheseothercommunitieshaveinvestedinwonderfulfacilitiesfortheircommunityanditswaypasttimetodothesameforPortTownsend.
Thankyouforyourtime.
9/29/2022AddieHoffmanah30.hoffmann@ptscEngageThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
hools.orgPTTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
Towhomitmayconcern,MynameisAddie,Iam11yearsoldandin5thgradeatO.C.E.A.N.AsakidinPortTownsend,Ifeellikemyvoiceshouldmatter.Ibelievethegolfcourseshouldplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountai
nViewCommons.
besomethingforthewholecommunityLikeamultiuseparkwithanoutdoorstage,acommunityorganicgarden,aplayarea,andafoodtruckparkinglot.WecouldmakeoneoftheWewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsiderati
on.Inthe
buildingsaplaceforpeopletolearnaboutnativehistoryandcultureandoneoftheotherbuildingsƷŷğƷƭalreadytherecouldbeanarcade,and,ofcourse,alsojustopenspaceformeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyouca
nstayinvolvedinthe
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activities!EversinceItookavisittothenativeflowerprairieandtherockthatchefímhánstoodon,itmademewanttoturnthegolfcourseintoaparkevenmorebecauseIdon't
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
thinkthissacredlandmarkshouldbeenclosedbyagolfcourse.Iwantittobeaplacewhereeveryonefeelsinvitedtovisitandacknowledge.WhenIlookedatthewebsiteIsawthatin
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
ordertokeepthegolfcourserunningyouwouldhavetocutdowntreesandIdon'twantthat.Thereissomuchbeautifulnaturetherebutitisnotfullyopentothepublicifthey'renottakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
theretogolf.ThereisthisonewillowtreeonthepropertythatIthinkisreallybeautifulbutIĭğƓƷsafelyenjoyitunlessLƒagolfer.Thegolfcourseisalsoamajorsafetyhazard.My
friend,wholivesonSanJuanave.hasshownmethevariousgolfballsthathaveflownintoheryardandcouldhavehither.Mydadalsoalmostgothitbyagolfballwhenwalkingonthe
oppositesideoftheroadon
19thstwhenitbouncedallthewayovertherecyclery.Also,beingsoclosetotheroad,agolfballcouldswingintosomeone'swindshieldatanymoment.I
thinkthatthegolfcourseshouldbeturnedintosomethingsafeandaccessibleforthewholecommunity.
9/29/2022DarylGillettegillette@olympus.netThankssomuch,butwealreadyhavea
Engageprettyfullgroup.Thekickoffmeeting
PTincluded19of20.Wehadsomestakeholdersonthephone,inperson,orsitting
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Ilistenedandwatchedonlinetothefirststakeholdersmeeting.9/29/22,Muchoftheaudiowasincomprehensible.Ihopethatcanbefixed.ItappearedthatanumberofͻƭƷğƉĻŷƚƌķĻƩƭͼ
intheaudience.Thanksagainforyourinterest.Iwillletyouknowifanything
werenotpresent.Iwouldliketobeinthestakeholdergroup.changes.
9/29/2022TomEngelengel249@gmail.comEngageThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
PTTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
AfterattendingthekickoffmeetingonSept29,Ifeltthatthebestdecisioncriterionfordecisionmakingregardingthesitewasstatedneartheendofthemeeting:"Whatsatisfiesthe
Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
needsofthemostresidentsofPT?".WheneverIdrivepastthegolfcourse,I'mleftwiththefeelingthattheremightaswellbefencingasonIndianIslandaroundit.Allofthisland,citymeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysy
oucanstayinvolvedinthe
67property,isofflimitstoallexceptthefewwhogolf.Inevaluatingthebenefitsofretainingthestatusquo,Isuggestthatthecommitteeconsiderthefollowingpoints:1)Howmanygolfersconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfC
ourseandMountainView
(notcountingmultipleusesbyasingleindividual)usethecourseinayear.DividethisnumberbythepopulationofPT.2)Howecologicallyfriendlyisgolfcoursemaintenance?Ihave
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
heardthatthegolfcourseusesthesameamountofwaterannuallyasthewholecity.Isthistrue?Ifso,howcansuchahighusagebejustified?Coulditbethatinaneraofclimate
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
change,golfcoursesascurrentlyconfiguredarenolongerviable?3)Howcanthelandbeusedmoreeffectivelyforthehealthandwellbeingofresidents?Onepossibilityis
aSwissvita
parcoursspeciallydesignedjoggingpathsΑavailableforeveryone,anytimeandfreeofcharge.Inatypicalparcours,thereareupto15stationswhereyoucandoupto43exerciseswith
thehelpofthesimpleequipmentinstalledthere.4)Twopressingneedsforthecityareaccessibleopenspaceandaffordablehousing.Accessibleopenspacemeansparklandavailableto
allatalltimes.Affordablehousingmeansaffordabletolinecooks,servers,baristas,andtradespeoplewhoarecurrentlyshutoutofthehousingmarket.Bothoftheseneedsrequire
centrallylocatedlandfromwhichjobsandhousingcanbereached.ThegolfcourseandMountainViewcommonsprovideauniqueopportunitytoaddresstheseneeds.
9/29/2022MargaretLeeptmlee@olypen.comEngageHiThere,Iamsosorryyouhadafrustratingexperience.Ourconsultantuses
automaticallydownloadsandstart
PTMicrosoftTeamsasaplatform,anditusually
rightup.Forthosethathavedifficulty,orcannotconnect,thereisalsoaphone
numbertocallintothemeeting,andwearerecordingthemeetings.The
IwastakenabackwhenIattemptedtoattendthefirst"Stakeholder"meetingandhadtoappealtotheCity"frontdesk".FortunatelyitwasduringworkinghoursasIwashelped,talkedrecordingswillbeavailableontheCity'swebsiteafew
daysafterthemeeting.
thoughthecomplicatedprocesssoIcouldattend.HereImustquestionthewisdomofintroducingandentirelynew"connection"forusthatrequireda"Microsoft"programdownload!Iinperson.Ihopethatoneofthesemethods
Wearealsoholdingthemeetings
havenevercomeacrossanythinglikethiswhencommunicatingwiththeCityor...mostanyotherentity.BecauseIattemptedtodownloadtheprogram,thetimeitwastakingbecame
68worksbetterforyounexttime.IwillpassalongyourinterestinGlobalWarming
alarmingsoIturneditoff.
ThatiswhenIcalledtheCity"desk".ShestuckwithmestepbystepuntilIheardsoundandsaw,inthefarlowerrightofmyscreenwhatwas,apparently,theasacriteriatousewhileplanningfortheland.Thankyou.
manconductingthemeeting.(Bythenwellunderway).Ineverwasaboletoseeanyofthestakeholdersnoridentifythemorwhowasspeakingandsawonlycircleswithinitials.Iwas
verycautiousaboutclickingonthescreen,butwhenIdidthereweretwopeople,one,awomanasaghostlikeimage,andamanwhowereamidstbouldersorsomesortofprimordial
scene.Wasthisajoke?Iwillnevertrytoattendanotherofthesemeetingsvirtually.,unlessIcansimplyandeasilylistenonmytelephone.Howarecitizenswithoutcomputersattending
virtualmeetings?ISarecordingoftheStatkeholdersmeetingavailable?Theprintedmaterialonthescreenwasalmostimpossible
toread.CanIeasilyaccessthelistlistreafteritis
corrected?IyetstronglybelievethatGlobalWarmingshouldbeemphasizedwhenwetalkabouthealth!
9/29/2022MarisaJenkinsMarisaautumn78@gmEngage
ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
ail.comPTTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
69Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
PleasesavethePTgolfcourse!
9/30/2022KathleenHudsonptkatalyst@gmail.comEngageThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
PTTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.I
willpassyour
commentsalongtoourplanningteam.Wehaveanoperationalcontractforthe
GolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
Really,theonlycriteriaIcanacknowledgeanymore(besidesbeingDoable)isResiliencyinthefaceofourcollapsingglobalecosystems.AsYogiBerraisreputedtohavesaid:TheFuture
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
justain'twhatitusedtobe.Fortunately,perhaps,Resiliencyisaverybigconcept...Itwouldhave
toinclude,forexample,spiritualresiliency.Ourspiritsarenourishedbysuchthingsasaconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
connectionwiththenaturalworld,theexperienceofbeauty,creativeexpression,gardening,learning.Oh,andFun.Andwearegoingtoneedalotofspiritualstrengthmovingforward.Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityof
pt.us).Thanksagainfor
Social:Justasorganizedneighborhoodsmaybethebiggestpartofemergencypreparedness,atighteningofthesocialnetwork(maintainingconnectionsandmakingnewones)willallowtakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
moreefficientresolutionofproblemsastheyarise.Italsohelpsoursenseofconnectionandexperienceofsafety.Itsupportsthespirit.Andgoingforward,itmaybeincreasingly
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importanttobeabletosocializeoutside.Health:Thehealthierourbodies,thebetterablewewillbetocope.Walkingtrailsareahugehealthbenefit,particularlyforusoldpeople.All
recreationalactivitieswillhelpaswell.Oxygenisgood.Food(thinkfoodforest)isgood.NutsandBolts:Andthen,ofcourse,thereistheinfrastructuralpiece.Energy:Wecannotdepend
onanabundantsupplyofenergycomingintoourcommunityfrompointsoutside.Weneedtobeabletogeneratesomeportionofwhatweusenow,andbeabletousethatenergy
whenthegridisdown.Thatmeansmicrogrid(s)coupledwithlotsofsolarpanelsandperhapsawindmachineortwo.Thatmaybemoreofaprogramthanacriteria,butitisprettymuch
implicitinthecriteriaIamsuggesting.Transportation:Walkingtrails,bikingtrails&Recyclery,EVchargersRecycling,Repair,Reuse:Wewillneedtofigureouthowtoreusemoreand
disposeofless.ThisisPortTownsend.Wecancomeupwithideasoutsidetheexistingparadigm.Theremaybeopportunitiestosetasidespaceforsuchprojects.Itseemstomethatthis
approachcoversmostallofwhatthestakeholdermeetingcameupwithforcriteria,yetitisreallyonlytheonecriterion(withconstraintsfordoability).Itmaybeeasier,goingforward,
tothinkintheseterms.Thenalternativeproject/programsuggestionscanbedirectlycomparedintermsoftheirimpactoncommunityResiliency.psRe:Golf.Ifitcanbedonewithout
muchadditionalfinancing,Ithinkitwouldbenicetohaveatleastapracticeputtinggreenand/oraholeortwo(8&9?).Itwouldanodtothehistoryoftheplace,andwouldallowgolfers
somepracticeandotherstolearnhowtoplay.ButitreallydoesnothaveastrongͻƩĻƭźƌźĻƓĭǤŅğĭƷƚƩͼͲsowouldreally,bythiscriterion,dependonwhatprogramsitwouldbecompeting
with.
2OctTomCottontpic@me.comEngageThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
PTTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyour
commentsalongtoourplanningteam.Wehaveanoperationalcontractforthe
GolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
71Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
Pleasekeepthegolfcourseanopengreenspace
9/30/2022KirkAllbrightkirk.albright@verizon.
Thanksforyourinterestinthisproject.Toaddressyourotherquestions:Could
net
thispropertybeourͷ/ĻƓƷƩğƌtğƩƉ͵ͪĻƌƌhavetowaittoseeifthePT
Thanksforyourinterestinthisproject.Toaddressyourotherquestions:Couldthispropertybeourͷ/ĻƓƷƩğƌtğƩƉ͵ͪĻƌƌhavetowaittoseeifthePTcommunitydesiresittobesuchacommunitydesiresittobesuchaplace.Arethecoyote
sbeingconsideredas
place.ArethecoyotesbeingconsideredasStakeholders?Allfloraandfaunaareconsideredstakeholders.WoulditbepossibletoinviteArchitectureandUrbanPlanningandUrbanStakeholders?Allfloraandfaunaareconsideredstake
holders.Woulditbe
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PlanningSchoolascharetteparticipants?ThisisaninterestingideaǞĻǝĻemployedonotherprojectsandwouldbeamenabletotheidea.Itwillrequireaͷ/ŷğƒƦźƚƓtoengageandpossibletoinviteArchitectureandUrbanPlanningandU
rbanPlanningSchoolas
coordinatetheeffort.charetteparticipants?ThisisaninterestingideaǞĻǝĻemployedonother
projectsandwouldbeamenabletotheidea.Itwillrequireaͷ/ŷğƒƦźƚƓto
engageandcoordinatetheeffort.
ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
10/3/2022ColinDietrichcolin.dietrich@gmail.c
omTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
Iwanttoconveyhowspecialtheundevelopedprairieareaisonthegolfcourse.VerylittleofthehistoricalprairiesstillexistinthePacificNorthwest.Ithinkitwouldbeanimprovementplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCours
eandMountainViewCommons.
73andhonorthehistoricalnativeuseofthespacebyexpandingtheprairiethroughseedcollectionandtransplantingfromtheexistingsitetomaintainthegeneticuniquenessthatisthisWewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningproces
sforconsideration.Inthe
site.meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
10/3/2022AnyaLawrencelanya808@gmail.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
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meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
We,myhusbandNormanPascheandmyself,believethatthepublic'sbestinterestistoturnthegolfcourseintoanarburetum,followingtheexampleoftheparkinMoscow,ID.,whichistakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
solovelyit'sthefirstthingpeopletalkaboutwhentheytalkaboutMoscow.Itisaplaceofpeaceandtranquilityanddrawsandservespoeplefromallaround.
10/3/2022JamieHaneyjamiehaney11@gmail.
comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
Coursethat
iseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
75planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
IamveryhappytoseethatthereisadiscussionaboutanalternativeuseforthePTgolfcourseandMountainViewCommonsarea.IhavetwoschoolagedchildrenattendingPTschoolsmeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucans
tayinvolvedinthe
andwouldlovetoseeimprovementsthatincludedamultiuseparkarea,affordablehousing,andapoolthatisswimteamappropriatebutalsohasspacesforyoungkidsandtheretiredconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMo
untainView
community.ItispainfultoseesuchahugeareofPTbeingutilizedbysofewpeopleforsuchanarrowactivity,especiallywhenanothergolfcourseislocatedonlyafewmilesaway.ThankCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt
.us).Thanksagainfor
youforopeningthisdiscussiontothepublic!takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
10/3/2022CecilOppiececiloppie@gmail.coThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
mTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
76Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
Iamatthegolfcourseonceortwiceaweekandnoticedmoreyoungerpeopleparticipatinginthesport.It'sgottobeagoodthing.
10/4/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comThanksforyouremail.TheReCycleryhasaseparateagreementwiththeschool
district.Assuch,theywouldberesponsibleforanyupgradesfortheirfacility.It
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WewereallsurprisedatthestakeholdersmeetingtohearthatTheReCyclerydidnothavewaterorelectricity.Icalledtheshopandwastold'wedohaveelectricitybutitisnotgoodandisverysimilartoourlease,whereweareresponsible
forupgradestoMV
wedonothavewater.'ItisgoodthatthecitywillbefinishingupdatingMt.ViewandallofthenewthingstheyputthereandtheReCyclerywillhavewaterandgoodelectricity.commonsandthepool.Thanks.
NewCommentsafter
10/7/22
10/7/2022PeterWestpeteremail
west@hotmail.com
Isatthroughtherecordingoftherecentmeetingaboutthegolfcourse(andMountainView).IthoughtitwasaveryhelpfulmeetingandIwasimpressedbythequalityofinputfromthe
focusonclimatechangeasadecisionmakingprinciple.ThefirsttimeIevenheardthewords
variousstakeholders.TheonethingIwassurprisedaboutwasthealmostcompletelackofIthinkthatalotofthecriteriathatthestakeholderscameupwithdirectly
ͻĭƌźƒğƷĻĭŷğƓŭĻͼwasrightattheendofthemeetingwhenonepersoncautiouslymentionedthewords.IguessIwassomehowexpectingthatclimatechangewouldhavetakenamuchimpactsclimatechangeandIheardintenttoplanforahealthie
renvironment.
greaterroleinƦĻƚƦƌĻƭdecisionprocesses.IdidhearthewordͻĻƓǝźƩƚƓƒĻƓƷͼusedbutasthemoderatornotedthatwordbyitselfmeanslittle(oreverything).IthinkLƒalittleanxiousSomeofthecriteria:sustainability,preserva
tionofgreenspace,significantly
aboutthis.FromwhereIsit,climatechangeseemstobeachallengeofexistentialproportions.TomeitisthesinglebiggestchallengeofthiscenturyΑachallengethatwilldetermineifhealthierenvironment,natureasastakeholder,
resiliency,thinkingaheadfor
we(humans)willevenhaveanothercentury.Iunderstandverywellthatmanypeopleseethingsdifferently.ButItrulyhopethatasthisgroupmovesforwardtherewillbesomekindoffutureneeds,habitatenhancement,allleadtoimpacto
nclimatechange.Iwill
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recognitionthatsomeprinciplesreallyaremoreimportantthanothers.TomethislistofpossibleprinciplesneedstobereviewedfromtheperspectiveofͻǞŷğƷtwoorthreeprinciplespassalongyourcommentstoourdesignerstoconsid
erastheymoveforwardin
reallyarethemostimportantŷĻƩĻͪͼ͵Forexample,muchasIlove(andfinanciallysupport)theRecyclery,Idonotthinkinfrastructurefortherecycleryisremotelyasimportantasclimatethedesignprocess.Thepubliccanalwayscomm
entviathewebsiteoremaillike
change.TomeźƷƭlikecomparingtakingawaymysmartphoneversustakingawaymyoxygen.IknowthattakingmyŭƩğƓķķğǒŭŷƷĻƩƭiphoneawaywould feel lifethreateningtoherbutyoudid.Wewillalsohavesomeopenhouseswheretherewil
lbeample
takingheroxygenawaywouldtakeherlifeawayquickly.IwouldlovetoseetherecyclerygetlotsofhelpasanoutcomeofthisprojectΑbutevenmoreIwouldlovethediscussiontogetopportunitytogiveinput.Thanksagainfortakingtheti
metosendyour
focusedmoreatthelevelofwhatwe,thecitizensofthistown,coulddotomakethegolfcourse(andrelatedproperties)outcomehaveasignificanteducationalandpracticalimpactonthoughts!
climatechange.
10/7/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comemail
Hi - I hope you have a way to separate but keep each week's comments so we can still see them all but not have to scroll through them all and try to figure which are new. Maybe a
79Thanksforthesuggestion.Iwillseeifourwebpersoncandothis.Thanks.
dated headline on the current batch and new ones top. The word update sounded like we the previous ones might go away. Anyway thanks for having a comment log.
10/10/2022LynnandDarryllynnhrenko1@icloud.cemailThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
HrenkoomTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
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Pleasekeepthegolfcourse,makeitacceptabletoallbyaddingawalkingpathontheperimeter..withprotectionbarriersfromflyinggolfballs.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
10/10/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
DƚƌŅĻƩƭhavetakencareofthecoursefor118yearssinceitbecameagolfcoursein1904.Whenyoulookatoldphotostherearenotrees.Golfershaveplantedmanytreesandgolfers
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
81arethereasonthecourseissobeautifultoday.Theydeservetocontinuetakingcareofit.Rememberthelastthreeyearswerenotnormalyears.ThisisoneoftheoldestcoursesinWewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforcons
ideration.Inthe
WashingtonandhasawonderfulhistorywithlocalresidentsliketheEisenbeisandHastingsfamilies.Youcanseeandfeelthehistoryhereeverywhereyougo.Ihopeyouseehowlucky
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
wearetohavesuchahistoricplace.ThecityĭƚǒƓĭźƌƭjobistokeepthehistoryalivenotgetridofit.UnderMikeEarlythecoursemademoneyandcandosoagain.Noneofthe27city
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
ownedparkspayforthemselves.ThecitywasgiventhegolfcoursetobepreservedandamandateoftheirownHistoricPreservationCommitteeistopreserveandrestorehistoric
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
properties.Ithinkthecourseisa10inthatcategory.Educateyourselfandresearchthiswonderfulcourse.saveptgolf.comThegolfcourseislivinghistory.Itisalsoopenspacewhichtakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
mostcommenterswanted.
10/7/2022RobertHornerbahbhorner@Yahoo.cThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
omTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
Iamamemberofthegolfcourse,localbusinessownerandresidentofPortTownsend.Iplaygolfonaveryregularbasisandcanofferkeeninsightintothecultureandphysicalstateofmeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyouc
anstayinvolvedinthe
thecourse.Iamalsoatrainedarchitectwithabackgroundinlandscapearchitectureandurbanplanning.InadditiontoprovidingImportanthabitatspace,thegolfcourseprovidesanconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCoursea
ndMountainView
openspacethatiscriticaltourbanareas.AsanavidgolferIseethemanylocalresidentsandalsovisitorsthatutilizedthegolfcourse.Althoughitappearsthatitisunderusedfroman
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
outsidersperspective,Icanattestthatthegolfcourseisverywellutilizedasarecreationalspaceandapracticecenter.Withimprovementstosomebasicareasitwouldbeutilizedeven
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
82more.Lookingspecificallyatthecourse;thegreensandteeboxesarethemostinneedofrepairandmaintenance.Italsomakessenseforpublicsafetytohavenettinginstalledallall
partsofthecoursethatrunalongsideroads.Nettingisacommonfeatureforurbangolfcoursesthatcouldbeinstalledtoallowwildlifeaccesstobemaintained.Thecourseplaysmuch
likealinkscourseutilizingminimalwaterinthedrymonthsandusingtheirrigationtomaintainthequalityoftheteeboxesandgreens.Ithinkupgradestothepracticefacilitywill
attractmoregolfersandanadditionofaputtputtareacouldattractmorefamiliesgettingchildreninvolvedinthesportatanearlieragesimilartothesoccerandlittleleaguethat
occursinPT.Theclubhouseboastsanamazingviewandupgradestothebuildingcouldseeaworldclassrestaurantandbar.Itisagreatplacetograbadrinkoreatinadditiontoplaying
golfhoweverthefacilityisnotuptodateandtheadvertisementsforthecurrentrestaurantandbararenotwidespread.MostlocalresidentsķƚƓƷevenknowthereisabar/restaurant
atthecourse.Insummary,Ibelievethatthegolfcourseisaveryimportantfeatureforourtown.Thereisaveryactivecommunitybuiltaroundthesportanditisasimportantto
maintainthespacetosupportthatcommunityjustastheslatepark,basketballcourts,soccerfieldsareimportanttomaintain.Thecourseprovideviablehabitat,importantopenspace,
andwithimprovementsitcouldprovidemorepracticespaceforfuturegenerationsofgolfers.Itcouldalsoprovideabeautifulplaceforfoodanddrinkinapeacefulandopengreen
spacesetting.Iwouldadvisethecitytoaddressthekeyissuewiththecourseinregardstonettingandpublicsafety,andtofocusresourcesorrepairsthatwillultimatelymakethemost
impacttothequalityofthecourseandtheexperiencethatiscreated.Thiswillensurethatthecourseisfinanciallyandenvironmentallysustainable.
10/8/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comWhenIwaslookingathistoricphotospfPortTownsendIwassurprisedtoseehowfewtreeswereonthegolfcourseland.ItlookslikeitdoesnowbecausegolfershavebeenplantingThanksforyourema
il.Unfortunately,thephotosdidn'tload,butIhaveentered
treesandtakingcareofthecoursefor118yearssinceitwasfoundedin1904.Pleaseletthemcontinueforanother118years.Noonewilltakeasmuchcareasthegolfers.Thesephotosyourcommentsinourcommentlogforreviewduringthepla
nningprocess.
83unabletopostphotos)
arenotthebestbutyougettheidea.Captionononeis:JeffersonCountyHistoricalSocietyandtheothercaptioniswhencoursewasgiventothecity:(
Commentsfor
weekof10/10/22
10/10/2022RyanMacGregorrybo@olypen.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
WhiteTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
andMountainViewCommons.
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourse
84Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
Pleasekeepthegolfcourseinitscurrentstate.AsIunderstandthings,thispropertymustbeusedforrecreationforourcommunity.Golfandanopenspaceforthebenefitofallofour
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
communityisawonderfulthing.
MargoKarler
10/12/2022margo.karler@gm
ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
ail.com
Iwillpassyourquestions
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
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theplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
Wewilladdyourcommentsto
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
Iwouldlovetoseethedogparkincreasedinsize.Andaddenrichmentactivitieslikeitems/plantsthedogssniff,etc.Apreviousdogparkourdogslovedhadonecornerdevotedtotrees
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
&shrubswithdoggietrailssotheycouldsniff&runthrough.Thecurrentdogparkisreallyonlyusefulfordogsthatlovetofetchwhichleavesmydogsout.Andaddbenchesand/or
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
tablesforpeopletositat.Maybethecurrentdogparkcouldbemadeintoaplaygroundandlargerdogparkcouldbecreatedinthegolfcoursearea.Thedogparkdoesn'thavetobe
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
square,itcouldrunthelengthofthecurrentgolfcourseproperty(maybe20ftwide)givingdogsalongtorunforexercise&play.
BarbMatter
10/12/2022matters2me@olyp
ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
en.com
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyour
commentsalongtoourplanningteam.Wehaveanoperationalcontractforthe
IhavegolfedatP.T.GolfCoursesinceIretiredin2010.Iam75andstillveryactiveandhealthymostlyduetogolfanditsoutdoorexercise,freshair,andfriendships.I'veheardcommentsGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2
023andweareinthemidstof
thatthegolfcourseisexclusiveonlyforgolfers.Whatabouttheswimpool?Isn'titonlyforthosethatliketoswim?Whataboutthetennisandpickleballcourts.Aren'ttheyonlyforplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMo
untainViewCommons.
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thosewholiketoplaythosegames?Whataboutthedogpark...onlyforthosewithdogs?Theskateboardpark...onlyforthosewholiketoskateboard?ANDthePTcoursealreadyhasWewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconside
ration.Inthe
compatibleuseswithitswonderfulrestaurantopentoeveryone.IthastheKahTaiPrairie,theChetzemokatrailandChiefChetzemokastatueforeveryonetovisit.meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolved
inthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
10/12/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.com
WhenIwaslookingathistoricphotospfPortTownsendIwassurprisedtoseehowfewtreeswereonthegolfcourseland.Itlookslikeitdoesnowbecausegolfershavebeenplanting
treesandtakingcareofthecoursefor118yearssinceitwasfoundedin1904.Pleaseletthemcontinueforanother118years.Noonewilltakeasmuchcareasthegolfers.Thesephotos
Nancy:ThephotosstillķźķƓƷcomethrough.Thankyoufortryingagain.
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arenotthebestbutyougettheidea.BecausethephotolinksdidnotcomethroughlastweeksIaskthatyoutypeintheselinkswithoutspacesandseeifthatworks.Maybeitwon'tlook
likealinktothesoftware.https://photos.app.goo.gl/v6rCVtTnTsjLp76t9https://photos.app.goo.gl/8xFznxjeys5jVrPU9Captionononeis:
JeffersonCountyHistoricalSocietyandtheothercaptioniswhencoursewasgiventothecity.:OpeningofthePortTownsendGolfClub19271.unknown,2.GeorgeWelch,3.Geo.
Bangerterwhowasthemayor,4.unknown,5.F.W.Stevens,6.unknown,7.MorrisStarrett,8.SchuylerEdwards,9.OscarHetzel,10.unknown.
10/13/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.compostingforreference.
WhenIwaslookingathistoricphotospfPortTownsendIwassurprisedtoseehowfewtreeswereonthegolfcourseland.Itlookslikeitdoesnowbecausegolfershavebeenplanting
treesandtakingcareofthecoursefor118yearssinceitwasfoundedin1904.Pleaseletthemcontinueforanother118years.Noonewilltakeasmuchcareasthegolfers.Thisformat
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doesnotacceptlinkssotoseethephotosandenjoylookingatotherhistoricPTphotosgotohttps://www.jchsmuuseum.orgResources/onlinesearch,Putthewordgolfinsearchbox,
First
linesecondphoto,FifthlinethirdphotoCaptionononeis:JeffersonCountyHistoricalSocietyandtheothercaptioniswhencoursewasgiventothecity.:OpeningofthePort
TownsendGolfClub1927.1.unknown,2.George,Welch,3.Geo.Bangerterwhowasthemayor,4.unknown,5.F.W.Stevens,6.unknown,7.MorrisStarrett,8.SchuylerEdwards,9.Oscar
Hetzel,10.unknown
10/13/2022DerekFirenzedfirenze@ptleader.coThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
mTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
89Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Whynotturnthegolfcourseintopublichousing?Consideringthefactthatit'sacrossthestreetfromthefoodbank,RecoveryCafe,theReCyclery(whichiskindenoughtoofferfree
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
daysofbikerepairassistance),theFoodCoop(agreatsourceofemployment),andbusstops.Basically
everyamenityaimedathelpingthoseinneedisatthatlocationandthere'smoretakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
thanenoughspaceforbothhousingandopenspaceslikeparksforallcommunitymemberstoenjoy.
10/13/2022DennisPopovichdennispopovich@gmaThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
il.comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
AnynewprojectsfortheGolfCourseshouldincludenighttimelighting.WithǞźƓƷĻƩƭshorterdaysuponusagainIwillstillneedtowalkmydogsaswellasgettingexerciseformyself,a
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
mobilitychallengedsenior.Also,IwouldliketoseeanewermoredogareasaddedintheGolfCourseproject.EvenwiththeChetzemokadogparkandtheMountainViewdogpark,Ifind
90Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
thatattimestherearetoomanydogsintherunareastoaccommodateallofPortTownsendcitizensaswellasvisitorsinasafemanner.Moresmallerareaswouldbebettertoaugmentmeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucans
tayinvolvedinthe
thepresentbigareas.AsamobilitychallengedisablepersonwithaWAissuedcardIfinditverydifficulttomaneuverthelargerMountainViewareatopickupaftermydogs.Iknowconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMoun
tainView
thereisanareaforsmalldogsandseniordogsbutmydogsķƚƓƷqualifyaseither.Inessence,thereshouldbemultipleareasthatbothaccommodateforpeoplewithdisabilitiesandfor
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
seniorcitizens.Smallerareaslimitedtoafewdogswouldbeeasierandsaferfortheirdogsandmaketheexperienceofhavinganoutingwiththeirpetdog,companiondog,orservice
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
dogmoreenjoyable.
10/14/2022FredNussbaumfredtrain@aol.comemail
Thenextmeetingisindeedtomorrowandislistedonourwebsite.Themeetings
The10/12/22PTLeaderindicatedthatthenextGolfCourse{ƷğƉĻŷƚƌķĻƩƭMeetingissetforTuesdayOctober18.Yetyourwebsiteonlymentionsan11/15meetingandnomoreOctober
areopentothepublic,andthepublicwillbeabletocommentonthewhole
meetings.Whichisthecorrectinformation?Arethemeetingsopentothepublicandcanmembersofthepublicaddressthecommitteeatsomepointinthemeetings?Formany
projectduringtheopenhousesthatwillbeplannedcomingup.Inaddition,we
reasons,Ihavebeenabletoparticipateintheearlystagesofthisproject,butwouldverymuchliketobeinvolvedgoingforward.OnequestionIhaveiswhethertherehasbeenany
th
dohaveaprojectlaunchonOctober25,onsiteattheGolfCourseand
91discussionofthepossibilityofdedicatingasmallcornerofthegolfcoursepropertyforerectingaffordablehousing.Iimaginethisisprobablyoutofyourareaofexpertise,butthatshould
MountainViewcampus,2:004:00whereyoucancomeandtalkdirectlywiththe
notstoptheideafrombeingconsidered.Afterall,Lƒprettysuretheideacameupbefore,whenrepurposingthecoursewasfirstdiscussed.GiventhatboththeCityandtheCounty
projectteam.Iamgoingtonoteyourhousingcommentonourinputlogandwill
declaredaffordablehousingasaprimaryissueandrecognizingthatthecourseisalargepieceofpropertythatcanaccommodatemultipleuses,thisshouldbeaͻƓƚĬƩğźƓĻƩͼdiscussion
makenoteofyourideas.Theseideashavecomeupbefore,andwewillhaveto
topic.Thankyouforyourconsideration.
seehowtheypanoutintheprocess.Thankssomuchforyourinterest!
EngageThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
10/15/2022DeneseSchauerdleasterly@yahoo.co
mPTTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
92Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
IwouldlovetoseetheGolfCoursegreenspacepreserved.Itisanassetforthecommunityinsomanyways.Itisnot,however,servingthemajorityofpeoplewhopayforitsupkeep.Iconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMoun
tainView
walkedthegolfcoursetwice,onceduringCOVIDandlastwinterwhenitsnowed.Itisabeautifulwalk.ItmakesmeveyhappytoseecrosscountryskiersonitorthecrosscountryCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Tha
nksagainfor
runnersfromthehighschool.Let'shavetheRhodyRunonthegolfcourse!Let'shavetheTurkeyTrotonthegolfcourse!Peoplesupportthearea'stheyknow;sofewpeopleknowour
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
golfcourse.Thatisourfault.
Commentsfor
weekof10/16/22
10/16/2022AshlynBrownredwing64@gmail.coThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
mTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
Iwouldlovetoseethegolfcoursepropertyremainagreenspace.With2flashgolfcoursesnearby,whatifwekeptthedrivingrangeandconvertedtheremainingspaceintofamily
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
orientedactivityopportunities?Ie.outdoorgameslikeHorseshoetoss,Bocci,GiantChess,Minigolf/puttputt,Croquet,FitnessCircuit,innovativeplayground,Amphitheater,walking
93Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
gardenpaths&Prairieexpansionandbike/hoverboards/+pathsfortransitingtheparkonalternativewheels.BasicallyourownCentralPark.Gameaccessoriescouldberentedormeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyouca
nstayinvolvedinthe
borrowedwitharefundabledepositorminimal/multilevelmemberships.Ouryouthandyoungadultshavesolittletodowithfriendsinthistownbesides"party".Irespectourlocalconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandM
ountainView
golferswantingtokeepitexclusivelyasagolfcourse(hencekeepthedrivingrangeandclubhouse)butitexcludesalotofpeoplewhenwehaveexcellentgolfcoursescloseby.Asa
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
"CentralPark"thequalityoflifeheregoesupanotch!JustmyfantasybutInevergotherethewayitis.IwouldifitfeltmorewelcominganditwouldbalanceMountainViewandKaiTai
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
inaverycomplimentaryway.Thankyou.
10/17/2022ChristineBabbhrh1313sfg@aol.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
DearCityCouncilMembers:PleasekeeptheintownGolfCourse.Forthepast25yearsIpersonallyhavecontributedtotheRhododendronFestivalandotherfundraisersbydonatingtoCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andwear
einthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
theJimCaldwellMemorialGolfTournamentaswellasothergolftournaments.ThoughIappreciatethatthefutureofthegolfcourseisonthewebsitefortheCityofPortTownsend,I
94believeitwouldbeagoodmarketingideatohaveatleastalinkontheOfficialTourismSiteforPortTownsend,WAItwouldalsobehelpfulifthehotels,airbnbs,andtheChamberWewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsid
eration.Inthe
includethegolfcourseintheirbrochures(maybesomeofthemalreadyhave,Ididn'tseereferencestothegolfcourseontheoccasionsIstayedinPT).Itseemstobeabigdrawforthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyouca
nstayinvolvedinthe
otherhotelsI'vebookedonline.FromCaliforniatoNewJersey,amainamenityisaonsiteornearbygolfcourse.Thankyouinadvance.Pleasekeepthegolfcourse.conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
10/17/2022IsaacUrnerisaacurner@gmail.coThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
mTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
95Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
Theonlyreasonableuseforthegolfcourseishousing.Itisanexcellentlocationforsomerealdensity,andisclosetoservicesattheMountainViewcampusandtransitlines.Evenif
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
densehousingprojectsğƩĻƓƷimmediatelyfeasible,thecouncilshouldundernocircumstancesturnthegolfcourseintoapark.Parksaregreat.Wehavelotsofthem,andķƚƓƷneedconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandM
ountainView
more.Wedesperatelyneedhousing.Thegolfcoursecouldeasilyaccommodatedozens(ormore!)smallapartmentbuildingsandquadplexes,whichwouldmakearealdentinourCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Than
ksagainfor
housingshortage.Thelandscapingaroundsuchhousingwouldmakeformuchbetternaturalhabitatthanthegolfcoursecurrentlyis,sothisconcernsshouldbedismissedasthetakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
NIMBYismtheyare.
10/18/2022CyrillaCookastanko@comcast.netThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Iamwritingtoexpressmysupporttoretain,revive,andincreasethemultifunctionalityofthePortTownsendMunicipalGolfCoursetoprovideawiderrangeofserviceswhileensuringa
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
functional9holegolfandopenspaceremain.Identificationofcompatibleuseswouldproviderecreationopportunitiestoawiderrangeofthecommunity,whileprotectingtheopen
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
spaceandecologicalservicesthatalreadybenefiteveryone.MaintainingthesepublicserviceswillbecomemoreandmoreimportantasPortTownsendcontinuestobecomedenserand
moreurbanizedatbuildout.AfewexamplesofcompatiblemultipleusesthatmightworkinPortTownsendinclude:frisbeeorfootballgolf(localbusinessescoulddonategolfbasketsin
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returnfordiscreteadmentions);kiteflyingfestivals;geocaching;archery;filmevenings;concerts;crosscountryskiing;andNordicwalkingclubs.Otherideastointegratethebroader
communityinclude:localschoolgolfclasses,tournamentsandafterschoolprograms;collegeclassesorinternshipsondrainageandturfmanagement;caddietrainingprogramsfor
students(seeCaddieProgram(commongroundgc.com);andPublicParkDays(seeSt.Andrewsarticlebelow)tonamejustafew.Manyothermunicipalitiesandregionshaverevivedtheir
ailinggolfcourses.TheNordicCouncilofGovernments(Sweden,Denmark,Norway,FinlandandIceland)identifiedover45publicservicestoincorporateintotheirgolfcourses,allwhile
maintaininghighqualitygolfandpublicsafety.IntheUS,thelistofgovernmentsthathaverevivedtheiraginggolfcoursesinclude:CharlestonMunicipalGolfCourse(NC);BelmontGolf
Course(HenricoCountyVA);WinterPark9,(WinterPark,FL);SharpPark,(SanFrancisco,CA);CoricaParkGolfCourse(TorreyPinesCA);PapagoGolfClubPhoenix,AZ);CommonGround
(Denver,CO);CobbsCreekGolfCourse(Philadelphia,PA);BobbyJonesGolfCourse(Atlanta,GA);CoricaPark(Alameda,CA);GlenwayGolfPark(Madison,WI);BrownCountyGolfCourse
(Hobart,WI);ArrowheadGolfCourse(Davie,FL);and.Manyoftheseprovideexamplesofpublicprivatepartnershipstosupportathrivinggolfcourseforyearstocome.Formore
information,pleasesee:ScandinavianTurfgrassandEnvironmentalResearchFoundation.February15,2011.MultifunctionalGolfCourses,AnUnderutilizedResource.NordicCouncilof
Ministers.multifunctionalgolfcoursesanunderutilisedresource(sterf.org).DerekDuncan.ͻŷĻrevivalofthesegolfcoursesisaninspirationforpublicŭƚƌŅͼ͵GolfDigest,September16,
2021.DerekDuncan.ͻ11municipalgolfcoursesthataregettingthelovetheyķĻƭĻƩǝĻͼ͵GolfDigest.September27,2022.11municipalcoursesthataregettingthe
lovetheydeserve|
Courses|GolfDigestFindingNewUsesForTroubledGolfCourses:NPR,May302011.SundaysontheOldCourseatSt.Andrews:NoGolfersAllowedTheNewYorkTimes(nytimes.com)
10/18/2022WayneMartinwaynesend@yahoo.c
Thankssomuchforourofferofhelpwithprintingneeds.Iwillkeepyour
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contactandletyouknowifweneedanything.Wereallyappreciateit!
Hi,I'mtheleadprintingpressoperatorwithprinteryfor18years.IfIcanhelpwithdonatingtimeandmaterialsforthiscausepleasecontactme.Thanksforyourconsideration
10/19/2022MarianRohmarianroh8@gmail.coThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
mTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
Wewilladd
98yourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
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Iwouldlovetoseethegolfcourseretainedasgreenspace/park,fullyfencedwithtrailswanderingthrough,especiallyatrailallaroundtheoutside.Thefenceswouldbejusttoblockconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCoursea
ndMountainView
dogsrunningout,butwouldletwildlifepassfreely,soabout34fthigh.Itwouldbeawonderfulplacetogetalongwalkinwithoutdodgingcars/bikes.WouldlovetoseeanexpansionofCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.
us).Thanksagainfor
the"virginprairie"plot,andalongerrangeplantoletthoseplantsrepopulatethespacefreely.Nomorewatering,andkeepingmowingtoaminimum,letnaturetaketheplaceback.Atakingthetimetosendyour
comments.
longerrangeplantoplantberriesandnativefruitingtrees.Ascatteringofbenches,picnictables,maybeashelter.Inmydreamworlditwouldalsobeanoffleashdogpark.
10/19/2022MayaHorrocksmhensold@gmail.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
99Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
Veryinterestedinthegolfcoursebeingamoreinclusivespace!!Playspaceforkiddos,foodforest,affordablehousing?It'ssomuchlandandthewayitiscurrentlyusedissonarrowbothtakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
inreachofpeopleaswellashowitcanbeused
10/20/2022BarbaraLubertbarbaralubert@hotmThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
ail.comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
100Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
Severalyearsagothecityhadasurveyaskingcitizenstoprioritizetheirinterestinvariousprojects.Resultsshowedthegolfcourseheldtheleastinterestforthosesurveyed.What
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
happenedtothatstudy?Thegolfcourseisusuallyemptyofgolfers.DiscoveryBaycourseshouldbesufficientforatownthissize.Isuspectsomeinfluentialpeoplearegolfersandwillnot
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
allowthisissuetodieout.Ourpoolisoutdatedandamoneypit.AfullserviceYwouldbemypreference..Thegolfcourselandisvaluableandwilltakesomecarefulplanninggoing
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
forward.
10/20/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
101Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
Itseemskidsaredesperateforsomethingtodo.Onecommentsaidyouhavetakenawayeverythingfun.TheseallsoundlikefunandfortunatelytheywouldallbegreatontheMt.Viewconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMoun
tainView
campusbecausetheywouldruinthegolfcourse.Weareluckytohaveboth.GotoanopenhouseatMt.Vieworwalkaroundthepropertyandseethepossibilities.Seemslikethefair
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
groundswouldbegoodforsomeoftheseandprovideyeararoundrevenue.Horseshoetoss,Bocci,GiantChess,Minigolf/puttputt,Croquet,FitnessCircuit,innovativeplayground,
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
Amphitheater,bike/hoverboards/+pathsfortransingtheparkonalternavewheels.
10/20/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comThanksyouforyourcontinuedcomments.Iwillmakesuretheyarenoted.
Thanks.
GolfcourseisnotaparkItisabusiness.Imaginecitygoingtoportsayingboathavenwouldmakeagreatparkwithbeach,trails,addpicnictables,playarea,publicbathrooms.They
wouldsayno.Thegolfcoursewasputintoparkcategorytoberepurposedtoallowmultiplerecreationuseswhilestillhavinggolfoncertaindays.Unfortunatelythatdoesnotwork.A
businesshastopayrentandthecourseisanartilleryrangewithgolfballsgoing160mphsonogolfcanbeplayedonrepurposingdayssonorevenueiscollected.Perhapsadailyfeeper
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person.IfgolfcoursecannotpayrentthecitycanusetheirsurplusingoptionmeaningtheyķƚƓƷwantitandsellit.Canyouseemansions?Nowyouhaveopenspace.Golferswhoare
thereeverydaykeepthespaceopenbykeepingrentpaid.Thereare27parks,31milesoftrails,FortWordenandFlagler.UseMt.ViewortheĭźƷǤƭunusedͷĭƚƓƭźķĻƩğĬƌĻamountof
ƦƩƚƦĻƩƷźĻƭ͵Pleaseletthisbusinesscontinue.Ihopecitizenswouldnotdestroysomethingthesizeandbeautyofgolfcourse.WhenOlympicriseswithanearthquakeyouwillbecamping
there.PlusthecoursetournamentsgivemoneytothecommunitybenefittingRhodyFestival,Kiwanis,ElksClub,HighSchoolRivalsAthleticprograms,JeffersonCountyLittleLeague,&
SunriseRotaryClub,etc.saveptgolf.comandcityofpt.usforgolflink.Besideslosingrevenuewhenpeoplecomedogs,kidsandfrisbeeswilllandonthegreensandgreenswill
suffer.
Frisbeetargetsneedtobeputupandtakendownwhenfinishedbecauseitwouldbehazardouswhengolfballshitandricochet.Pluspeoplewhohaveheardtheycanwalkoncourse
maycomeinfromsidestreetswhengolfersareplayingandcouldgethitbyaball.Thatwouldbeverysad.
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10/21/2022SharylTorgersontwotorgies@msn.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
103Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
MyhusbandandIretiredandmovedtoPortTownsendinSep2021.MyhusbandhasgolfedforyearsandoneofmygoalsinretirementwastolearntoplaygolfsoIcouldjoinhim.Weconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainVi
ew
werethrilledtolearnthatPortTownsendhadagolfcourseveryconvenientlylocatedintown.Betteryet,wasthefriendlyatmospherecreatedbyGabrielTonanandtheemployeesand
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
volunteersatthecourse.ItooklessonsandwehaveenjoyedplayinggolfatthePTcoursesinceMarch.Thelocationisalsoconvenientwhenweinvitefriendsforanafternoonofgolfand
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
adeliciousmealatoneoftherestaurantsintown.Iwassaddenedtolearnthisgolfcourse,withitslonghistoryinPortTownsend,mightbedestroyedandconvertedtoanotheruse.
10/22/2022GeorgeBushgbush@olypen.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
104Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
Whywouldwetakeawayanactivesport(golf)forpassivetrailsandanotherparkwhentherearebeautifultrailsandexistingparksalloverPortTownsendandFortWorden?
10/22/2022CathyBeattycbeattyoshea@gmail.ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
105Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Theoriginalagreementwhenthepropertywasturnedovertothecitywasthatitwouldbeusedformunicipalpurposes,whichwouldincludeagolfcourse(it'snotaprivatecourse),Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us)
.Thanksagainfor
aviationorrecreationalpurposes.Affordablehousingisnotamunicipaluse.Thepoolisamunicipaluse.Affordablehousingcouldonlybeusedbyresidentsofthehousingandtheirtakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
visitors.Theotherrecreationalusesincludingthegolfcoursecanpotentiallybeusedbyallresidents.Choosingtoswimorgolfisapersonalchoice,butisopentoallresidents.
10/23/2022AndrewCochraneCidermonkey@gmail.ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
106Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
Theopenspaceinthecenteroftownisadefiningcharacteristicofourcity.Therecreationalbenefitsofanewaquaticfacilityandupgradedrecreationalresourceswouldraisethequality
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
oflifeformanyresidents,andthiscouldbedoneatMountainView.Ilookforwardtothisprocessand
providingadditionalfeedbackasitprogresses.
10/24/2022JanetJohnsonjohnsonjanet55@yahThankyouforyourinputontheLandscapeArchitectfortheproject.Ifyougoon
oo.comthewebpageforthiseffort,youwillfindtheRequestforQualificationsforthe
consultant.ThisisahighlevelofcriteriaweusedtoselecttheLandscape
Architect.IfyoualsoclickontheSeptember6,2022Councilmeetinglink,you
willlearnabouttheselectionprocess.Theconsultantthatwaschosenwasa
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leadingmostoftheprojectsbeforehestarted
principalatapreviousfirm,and
hisowncompany.Thisfirmwasunanimouslyselectedfromourpanel,and
I'malittleconcernedonwhatcriteriawasusedtoselectthelandscapearchitecturalfirm.HavingreviewedGroundswellLandscapedesignwebsite,Isawthatmanyoftheprojectlistedto
referenceswerechecked.Ihaveeveryconfidencethattheyareagreatteamfor
illustratetheirprojectsarenot,infact,theirprojects.ManylistedwereactuallycompletedbyothercompanieswiththeownerofGroundswellpostingasbeinginvolvedinthoseprojects.thisproject.
Thatsoundsprettyshady.Andhowmuchwasthebid?Pleasemakethisinformationmoreavailable
10/24/2022MarieCawrsemariecawrse@wavecaThankyousomuchforyourinputforthepool.Iwillmakesurewenoteitaswe
108ble.comAsaseniorandimmunocompromisedswimmer,Iattesttotheremarkablevalueofthepooltomycontinuedhealth.UnfortunatelyItsageandundependablenatureareaproblem.Westarttheplanningprocess.
needanewpoolfacility.Thatsaidweneedacontinueduseofthispoolduringconstruction.Mylifedependsonit.
10/24/2022PaulHausmannphausmann835@gmaThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
il.comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
109Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
Wouldverymuchliketoseethispropertyremainagolfcourse.
10/24/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.com
Hi - yesterday showed that it was not the best format for a community discussion. Granted we hoped to be outside so it was very crowded and hopefully not a covid super spreader. They
Theintentforyesterdaywasnottohaveanopenhouse,butaprojectlaunch,to
ran out of comment cards half way through. Please have the upcoming open house at the Commons where there is plenty of room and everyone can sit at tables . Someone asked to
meetandgreetthearchitects.Thefirstopenhousewillbesetupdifferentlyto
have a question and answer session with the room but that did not happen. Instead people lined up to talk with Chris or David and a few people tried to hear some of what was said but
it
accommodatelisteningtoeveryone.Iamsorryaboutthecommentcards
was hard because it was so noisy. So there was no community talking to each other just people telling one person what they thought. The format you used at the fist golf meeting would
runningout,weprintedmorehalfwaythrough,andhadextraattheend
110 have been a much better because everyone can hear the questions and answers and say I did not know that or that is a good idea, etc. and the interaction between every one grows and
becausewedid.Thatsaid,weprobablydidmissafewfolksinbetween.This
you can see direction and even consensus. Everyone felt very satisfied that they had been heard. I know it is harder for you but you did a great job calling on everyone and you have
the
particularformatwasjustsupposedtobeameetandgreet.And,theweather
stamina and ability to manage a large room. Chris and David can answer particular questions but to have a real community discussion we have to hear what everyone is saying and be
ķźķƓƷcooperate.Ihopethosethatwereuncomfortablewereabletoutilizethe
able to respond. I got the impression from Chris that he was waiting for the open house to get comments but he got some yesterday and he seemed to not have read the comments
masksweprovided.Thanksforyourfeedback.
online because he did not know what the kids were saying they wanted.
10/25/2022HollyKayshollykays@hotmail.co
ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
m
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
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Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
conversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountainView
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
Thegolfcourseisvaluableasagolfcourseandasharedspaceforeveryone.Ideasaroundschedulingandlandscapingtocreateawalkingpathforalltouseatappropriatetimes.Thank
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
you.
10/26/2022DavidBownellartifact@olypen.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
112Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayinvolvedinthe
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Preserveandexpandtheexistingqatayprairie,whichisauniqueremnantofourpreEuropeanlandscape.Bluecamas,lomatiumandotherrareprairieplantsfoundatthePort
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
TownsendprairieareuniquelyadaptedtoourOlympicrainshadowclimateandwelladjustedforperiodsofdrought.Theydon'trequireirrigation,andhaveimportantcultural
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
connectionswithlocaltribes.
ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
10/27/2022KathleenHudsonptkatalyst@gmail.com
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
ReasonstokeepthePTGolfCoursea9holegolfcourse...IthasalonghistoryasagolfcourseGolferslivingclosebywanttocontinueusingitSomepeoplehavefondmemoriesmeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstayin
volvedinthe
associatedwiththeplaceOccasionalgolffundraisershelplocalnonprofitsReasonsNOTtokeepthePTGolfCoursea9holegolfcourse...58publiclyownedacresinthemiddleofPTconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMo
untainView
foruseonlybylessthan10%ofthepopulationOveramilliondollarsneededtobringthecourseuptoareasonablestandardWaterintensiveuseatatimewhenwateravailability
Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
lookstobeourbiggestclimatechallengeIstherefertilizerused?Thiscompromisesthewatertable.DiscoveryBayGolfCourseis18holes,beenvotedbestcourseontheOlympic
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
Peninsulain5ofthelast12years,andisonly3milesawayPossibleAlternativeUsesFoodForest:startingsmall,growing
113large;acommunityfoodforestwillallowforenhancedfood
security,betterpreparingforthetimewhenourlocalfarmproducegetsclaimedbymetropolitanareastotheeast;meanwhile:gardeningskillsarelearned,soilisregenerated,residents
cometoknowmoreoftheirneighbors,andvolunteersgainthehealthbenefitsofgettingtheirhandsdirty.FoodBankFarmandGardensshouldbecontactedtoseeiftheywouldbe
willingtomanagesuchaneffort.WalkingTrails:Moreandmoreofusarerealizingthehealthbenefitsofwalking,butrightnowthegolfcourseisofflimits.Atrailsystemwouldnotonly
allownongolferssomeexercise,itmaycutdownabitonvehiclemilestraveled.Sometimesatrailisashortcut.(p.s.pleasedon'tpave)Housing:Yes,keepthegolfcourseopenspace.
Mostly.ButtheparcelalongBlaine(Hole5)couldhold30to40verysmallhouses(200400sqftinclustersofeight)withverysmallyardsandstillbeprimarilyopenspace.Thesehomes
wouldbeownedbytheCityandrentedouttoyoungfolkwantingtogainafootholdinthistownandwillingtolivesmalluntiltheycanaffordabiggerplace.Acommunityconsistingof
people65andolderisnotaresilientcommunity.DogPark:DependingonwhatwantstohappenatMountainViewCommons,itmaybepropitioustomovethedogparktothegolf
puttouseinmanypossiblecommunitybeneficialways.Acoopdaycare?Anenvironmentallearningcenter?Arentableevent
course.Venue:Theclubhouseatthegolfcoursecouldbe
space?AnyofthemanythingsIamnotthinkingof?Sorry,golfers.Butgetreal.Youneedtobelobbyingtokeeponeortwoholes,oradrivingrangeandputtinggreen.Forpracticeand
forteaching.Youmayactuallysucceedwiththatrequest,especiallyifyouarewillingtotakeresponsibilityforitsmaintenance.
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10/28/2022JeffreyTaylorhikemasters@gmail.cThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
omTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
114Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
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Iwouldlikethegolfcoursesitetoremainanopenusesite.Ithinkitwouldbeahugecommunityassetasapark,whichincludeswalkingtrails,anarboretumandnativeplantrestorationCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt
.us).Thanksagainfor
area,andofcourseprotectionofandexpansionoftheKahTaiPrairie.Thisallwouldbemostusefulontheuppersection.Icouldseeadiscgolfareasetuponthelowersectionofthe
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
park.
10/30/2022FredSfestines@wavecable.cThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Iwillpassyourquestions
om
alongtoourplanningteam.WehaveanoperationalcontractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweareinthemidstof
planningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.
Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessforconsideration.Inthe
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Commons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfor
takingthetimetosendyourcomments.
Iplayatleaseonceaweekwithmyson.It'sagreatgreenspaceforwildlifeandgolf.IfthecoursehadmorefundingIamsureitwoulddrawalotmorepeopletoplay.
10/31/2022DianeSommerdianesommer@hotmThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
ail.comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Whatacrime!Hasn'tPortTownsendseenenoughtreescutdownlately?JustlookattheentranceWestofFortWarden!Severaloldgrowthtreeshavebeenmoweddown.Newoutof
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contexthomesarebeingbuilt.Prettysad.Pleasedon'trapethegolfcoursetoo!
11/1/2022KellenLynchkellen.lynch@outlook.ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
I'mpleasedthattheCityisinvestingtimeintothematterofexploringalternativeusesforwhathasbeenexclusivelyalocalgolfcourse.Iseethisprocessbeingservedbycenteringthe
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
comprehensiveandstrategicplansofourCityandCounty.Whiletherearemany
spaceinquestionaroundatleastoneofthecontinuouslystatedneedsofthecommunity,andofthe
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
issuesmentionedintheseplans,Ifeelthatoneinparticularstandsoutasasharedvaluethatmanypartiescouldsupport:resilience,oremergencypreparedness.Surelytheconversation
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aroundthispubliclyownedspacecouldbecenteredonsuchacommonneed.FocusingonemergencypreparednessisalreadypartofthelocalcultureofJeffersonCountywithourAll
CountyPicnic,ourstrongresponsetoCOVID19,andourremoteandrurallocationhereontheOlympicPeninsula.GiventhatthepropertyinquestionisalsonearthecenterofPort
Townsend,adjacenttoourlocalRedCross,PoliceStation,anddownthehillfromtheFireDepartmentitispositionedtosupportthecommunityquitewell.Practically,thisvisioncouldgo
manydirections,butinordertoappeasetheadvocatesofthegolfcourse'sexisting"opengreenspace"andmeettheneedsofourbroadercommunity,Iwouldsuggestkeepingthe
resilienceadditionsfocused.Keyaspectsthatcouldbepursuedincludeperennialfoodproduction,waterharvestandstorage,energygeneration,andagatheringplace.Foodproduction:
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Iamnotsuggestingstartinganewfarm(yet)onthisland,butconsideringtheplantingoffruitandnuttrees,afoodforest,thatdoesnotrequirethesameneedsasannualcrops.This
whocouldinformor
regioncangrowawidevarietyoffruitsincludingapples,pears,figs,plumsandnuttreesincludinghazelnutandchestnut.TherearemanygrowersonthisPeninsula
leadsuchaneffort.WaterHarvestandStorage:Whenamajorearthquakestrikesthisregion,wewillbeluckytoavoidwaterlinedisruptionanddamage.Wherewillourwatercomefrom
inthisevent?Waterbottlesserveanimmediateneed,butwemustconsidermediumtermsolutionsthattakeadvantageofwaterasourgreatestnaturalresource.Wecanharvestand
storewateronsiteincisterns,beloworabovegroundgrade.Whynotincludeaniconicwatertowerforthisiconictown?Itcanbecomeapointofprideandimageryforthisplace.Energy
Similartowater,ourenergysystemwillbemassivelydisruptedduringamajorearthquake.Wherewilllocalpeoplegotogatherinaplacethathaslightandwarmth?Where
Generation:
willpeoplegotoevenchargetheirphones?Wearewoefullyunderpreparedforthateventuality.Thecombinationofsolarandbatterystorage(chemicalormechanical)canscaleto
servetheneedsofourcommunityforlimited,butcrucialneeds.GatheringPlace:Thistowndoesnotboastatruetownsquare.Ourfarmersmarketistheclosestwecometosucha
space,andthisismerelyapopupmarket.Our"communitycenter"inUptownisanythingbutthat,anddowntownisgearedalmostentirelytowardsourtourists.Wheredowego?Our
parkswillserveasagatheringplacethataresafeoffallenbuildingsandhaveampleroomforpeopletogather,perhapseveninemergencyshelters.Ifwe'rerespondingfroman
earthquake,wewon'tbeadvisedtogotoChetzemokawiththeirsloughingbluffs,norFortWordenforfearoftsunami.Wherewouldwego?Perhapsan"opengreenspace"thatis
actuallyopentothepublicwouldservewithanenclosedshelterthatdoesnotboastamassivefootprint.Noneofthesefoursuggestionsneedtotakeupeven1/5ofthecurrent
property.Iamnotclearifthegolfcoursecouldexistamicablynexttothesefeatures,butitatleastrespectsthedesireofthoseinourcommunitywhoaresaddenedatthenotionof
changingtheland.Iseegreatopportunityinthispotentialtransition,andIhopeyoureachoutwithquestionsasneeded.
11/1/2022EmmetWolfeavpescas@gmail.comengageThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
Pleaseseriouslyconsiderselling,gifting,orleasingthepropertytotheJamestowntribe,whohavetheexpertiseandbusinessacumentomakethecourseintoasuccessfulventure.The
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Jamestowntribehasexperienceindevelopingandmanagingasuccessfulgolfcourse(CedarsatDungenesswestofPortTownsend):https://7cedars.com/golf/ThetribemightalsouseThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments
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ittoeducatevisitorsandlocalsabouttheirgenerationsandcultureherebeforeEuropeansarrived.Thanksforlistening,
11/1/2022CatherineBrownellbrownellmail@aol.coengageSofewprairiesremaininthePeninsula.PleasepreservethetreasurethatstillexistsonthisThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
mproperty.Oncetheprairiesarewipedout,theywillneverreturn.TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
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11/4/2022SonjaMaritsonjam.hammar@gmThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
Hammar
ail.comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
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Ithinkaportionofthegolfcoursecouldremaingolfrelated(puttinggreen&/ordrivingrange)butthelandistoovaluabletostaysolelyagolfcourseespeciallygiventhatwealready
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
haveanothergolfcourseandwe'reasmallcommunity.Golfcoursesareexpensivetomaintainandrequire
alotofchemicalinputs.AndWATERwhichwedon'thaveexcessofinPortMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Townsendparticularlyconsideringthepapermillrequiresagreatdealtofunction.TherearesomanyothermultiuseprospectsforthegolfcoursethatwouldserveagreaterpercentageThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcommen
ts.
ofthepopulation
11/4/2022HeatherMirczakhmirczak@gmail.com
ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
Isupportshiftingthegolfcoursetoagreenspace/parkwithtrails,courtsandopengreenspaceforallofthecommunitytouse.Icouldenvisionanareathatisaplayground...anareacanstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortT
ownsendGolfCourseand
withsomethingliketetherball,basketball,badmintonorvolleyballcourtsandthenopenspaceforpicnicsandfreeplay.Isuggestwalkingtrails,bathroomsandmaybeafountainforuseMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWas
hington(cityofpt.us).
inthesummer(whenwaterlevelsallow)thatpeoplecanrunthroughandplayin.Iwouldliketosee"quietspaces"withbenchesandgardensforreadingorbeingpeaceful.Iwouldlike
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toseeafewnaturaltableswithchessboardsinthemtopromotethattypeofthinkingandfreeplayaswell.Iwouldlikeittocatertoawiderangeofages.
11/6/2022CynthiaMorrisoncindyj6@yahoo.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
TheOpenGreenSpacesiswhatmakesPortTownsendsolivable.The"pond"isarefugeforwildlife.UsingtheGolfCourseforanythingotherthanOpenGreenSpacewouldbeatravesty.
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ItwouldalsoviolatetheDeed.Pleasedon'tchopuptheGolfCourse.Thankyou.
11/8/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comHiNancy:Thankssomuchforyouremail.Iwillmakesureitgetsonthelogand
Hi - the presentation for the Native American Heritage Month was very moving. They spoke about their camp being at Memorial Field. At the last stakeholder committee meeting for the
theteamreadsit.Thanksagain.
golf course and Mt. View the stake holdlers were asked to tell a personal story or meaning about the golf course. The two tribal representatives spoke about how very important and
meaningful the golf course property was to them, their families and tribe. They said it was a very special piece of land and from the hill there you can still see the path where their
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were moved from the camp at Memorial Field up and down the hill to golf course property.
This property is still that special place because of golfers taking care of it for 118 years. Please let them continue. The golf course does not need another purpose. It's current purpose
of
taking care of the property and the open space is purpose enough. Thank you.
11/7/2022SueLongptown4@gmail.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
Isupportfindingasolutiontoenhancethegolfcourseandimprovemarketingandoutreach.Ihaveusedthecourseanddrivingrangeinthe90'sandearly2000s.MyfatherwasaPGA
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
itoverChevyChaseandweretreatedlikerockstarswhentheysignedin.Ihopetohavethe
profor60yearsandalwaysplayedtherewhenhevisitedPT.HeandmymotherchoseViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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opportunitytousethecourseinthefutureandhaveprocrastinatedmydesiretogohitballs.IthinkamarketingnudgeandabilitytouserentalclubsIwouldjumpbackin.Ialsotookaconsideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebp
ageforotherwaysyou
lessonortwo,butofcoursenevertoldmyfatherthepro.IwasperplexedreadingtheplanwhenIreadtherecommendationtoremovetherocksSearch250MadisonStreetPortcanstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolf
Courseand
TownsendWA98368Phone(360)3853000Home|Dashboard|Sitemap|Logout|Webmail|Employee|LinkingPolicy|whichIlove.Pavedcartpath...questionableneed.Ihope
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
thatsomecreativeplancandeveloptokeep9holesintactandrevitalizeenthusiasmtoplaygolfintownandperhapssharespace.DeveloptheSouthwestcorneroffSanJuan/19th?Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
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11/9/2022TrevorWardtrevor.ward.cpa@gm
ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
ail.comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
IgolfedthatcoursesinceIwasalittlekidvisitingmygrandparentsandfamily.IdonotlivearoundPTanymore,buteverytimeIgobackImakeanefforttotrytoplay.WouldbeashameThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
tolosethatfacilityasitisreallynicetohavesomethinggreenandrecreationalrightinthecity.
11/10/2022SandraStowellsjstowell1000@gmail.ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
IloveourgreenspacesandwildlifeparksinsidetheCity,andIamsadthattheGolfCoursefansareusing"greenspace"asamisleadingargumenttopromotecontinueduseofcity
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
propertyforgolfersonly.Myoppositiontothecurrentgolfcoursestemsfromthefactthatso
veryfewPTresidentscanenjoythislargepublicownedpropertyinsideCitylimits.TheViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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entirepropertyexceptthedrivewayandparkinglotisclearlymarkedasofflimitstoanyonenotplayinggolf.Andthisisineffect24/7.Perhapstherearewaystoretainmostoftheconsideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpa
geforotherwaysyou
propertyasasomewhatviablegolfcourse,buttoalsoprovideaccesstotheother98%ofCityresidents.Maybethecoursecanberedesignedwithwalkingtrailsthatwouldbeopenaftercanstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortT
ownsendGolfCourse
and
hoursandon23daysmidweektonongolfers.Andperhapsthepondareathatisrichestforwildlifecouldbemaintained,andenhancedwithaviewingboardwalkforbirdwatchers.
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Althoughthisismaintainedasasomewhatenvironmentallyfriendlygolfcourse,andyes,grassISgreen,mostofthispropertyisNOTarichwildlifehabit.Ifwildlifewasameaningful
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prioritytheroughsandthicketswouldbemaintainedwithmorediverseplants,andinvasivespecieswouldbebettercontrolled.
11/10/2022Katiekatie01johnson@outl
Iwouldlovetoseeanaquaticcenterandwalkingparkwithpavedtrails.ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
ook.comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
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11/10/2022SandraStowellsjstowell1000@gmail.ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
Whataboutsharingtheproperty?IamsadtoseethatlocalfansofthePTgolfcoursechoosetopromotetheideathatonlyaGolfCourse=GreenSpace.Theyimplythatthoseofuswho
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
wantaccesstothepropertyareopposedtogreenspace.Thisisfalse.MyobjectiontothisgolfcourseonCityownedpropertyisthatitoffersNOaccessfornongolfers.Therestofusarecanstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPort
TownsendGolfCourseand
128trespassersifwesetfootoffthedrivewayandparkinglot.HowmanyPortTownsendresidentsandvisitorsplaygolfhere?Whatifthepropertywasopentoeveryonedailybefore10pmMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashing
ton(cityofpt.us).
andalldayTuesdayThursday?Withgolfon4dayweekends?Additionalpathscouldbedefinedforgeneraluseifthegreensneedtobeofflimitstoprotectthegrass.Thiswouldnotbe
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difficult.Itwouldenhancethefacilityforeveryoneifaccessibleboardwalkswereconstructedalongsidetheprairieandatthepond.Designedproperlythesewouldprotectthepond
wildlife,addanexcellentplaceforrecreationalandbirdwatching.Againnotdifficult.IftherearePortTownsendarearesidentswhowanttoplaygolfhere,sharedusecouldbeapretty
decentcompromise.Andaboutthatgreenspace:yesgrassisgreen.Butweallknowthatcloselymowedgrassofferslittlesustenanceorvarietyforwildlife.Thepondandthethickets
offersomedecentwildlifehabitat,butitshouldbesomuchbetter.Evengolfcoursemanagedwithouttoxicchemicalisnotarichwildlifehabitat.Themostenvironmentallyfriendlygolf
coursesimprovethethicketsforwildlifebyplantingmorevariedplants(biodiversity!),controllinginvasiveplants,etc.Thatdoesnothappenhere.Withincreasedaccessanduse,the
propertymightfindmorevolunteerdonorsandhelpersforprojects.Itwouldbefabuloustohavemorepeopleenjoyingthepropertyandmorecustomersforthecafe!
11/12/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comAfriendjusthadagreatidea.IfyouwanttowalkonthegolfcoursegotoGoodwilloronlineandgetausedornewgolfbag,agolfclubortwoandagolfballortwo.Thenpayyour
Ireceivedthetwocommentsyousentlastweekandhaveputtheminthelog.
greensfeeandwalkthecourse.Youcanhitaballornot.Playinatimelymanner.Asinglepersoncanusuallyplay9holesinacoupleofhours.Itisanicethreemilewalk.Whoknowsyou
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mightwanttotakealesson.
11/12/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.com
GoodnewsthisweekabouttheFairgroundsandtheirnewmanagerDanyMcEnernywhoisfinallymakinguseoftheFairgroundsbyopeningaskatingrink.JustthinkaboutallthoseIreceivedthetwocommentsyousentlastweekandhaveputthemi
nthelog.
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buildingsandallthelandthatashesaid'justsitandrotaway.'Allthethingsthekidsarewantingcouldhavespaceandaleaderwhocangetitdone.Hisattitudeofnotmakingit
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complicatedor'fancy'buthomegrownisveryrefreshing.Congratulationsonagreatstart!
11/12/2022JeremiahFountainjeremiah.s.fountain@I'velivedinPortTownsendmyentirelife.MyfriendsandIusedtowakeupatsunriseinhighschooltogoplaygolfatPTGC,andwhenevertheycomebacktoPortTownsend,itiswhereThank
yousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
gmail.comweallmeetupagainforgolf,laughter,andsharingmemories.I'mamemberatthecourse,Iparticipateinfundraisingtournaments,commercialleague,andspendmanyhoursontheTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons
.Wehaveanoperational
drivingrange,orplayingaquickroundof9.Ihavea6yearoldsonthatbegsmeontheweekendstogotothegolfcourse.Weusuallyhitabucketofrangeballs,thengetacartandplaycontractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecem
ber2023andweare
9holestogether.HeabsolutelyLOVESit,andsodoI.Thesmileonfacewhilewedrivethecart,eatsnacksandlaugharemomentsIcherish,andwillholddeartomyheartforever.PTGCinthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCo
urseandMountain
ispartofthecommunity,andthesubculturethatparticipatesinitsbeautylovesandenjoysit.Theyvolunteertheirtimetotakecareofitandareloyaltoit.Golfisagameforalifetime,ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplan
ningprocessfor
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andIhopetobeabletoplayitfortherestofmy,life,withmyson,hereinPortTownsend.consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
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11/13/2022LynHerseyhersey@olypen.com
ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
IhaveservedasParks&RecCommissionerduringthedevelopmentofourCityComprehensiveplan.IalsoservedasaPlanningCommissionerhereinPT.Ihopeyoutakeintointhemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMou
ntain
considerationallthenonprofitsthatusethegolfcoursetoraisemoneyfortheirorganizations.Asainauguraland8yearboardmemberfortheY,oneofourmajorfundraiserswasourViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningp
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golftournament.Thosefundswereusedforscholarshipsforlowincomekidsprograms.Everyweekendduringsummermonthsarededicatedtononprofittournaments.Theloseofthe
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
golfcoursewillaffectextremelyneedsourcesforfundraising.Mysecondreasonforsupportingthegolfcourseisseniorhealthandrecreationalusage.Ourhospitalboardhasalways
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
supportedallactivitiesatthegolfcoursetohelppreventivemedicalhealthcare.Last,theschoolgolfteamsfromPortTownsendandChimacumusethiscourse.Thelessees,aswellasMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashing
ton(cityofpt.us).
severalclubs,helptoraisefundsforscholarshipsforthesekidstogotocollege.IknowthatmanykidshavegoneontocollegewithpartandfullridescholarshipsbecausetheylearnedtoThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomme
nts.
playgolfatourcitygolfcourse.Thistiesrightbackintomyfirstreasontokeepthegolfcourse.Thegolfcourse,asitisnow,isavitalpartofourcommunity.
NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comIhavenotedyournewcommentsNancy.Thankyou.
NotsurewhypeopleķƚƓƷunderstandthatthegolfcourseisabusiness.Itpaysrenttothecity.Itisusedbymanypeople.Ifitclosesforadayitloseshundredsofdollars.IķƚƓƷimagine
thecitywillreimbursethemforthatlossofrevenue.WouldyougototheMarrowstoneVineyardorthePortTownsendWineryandaskthemtoshutdownandnotsellanythingsoyou
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canusetheiropenspaceandpicnictablesforyourfamilyreunion?Thegolfcourseisabusinessjustlikethat.Justbecausethosethreeplacesareon
openlandandnotinabuilding
ķƚĻƭƓƷmakethemlessofabusiness.Thereare27parksand31milesoftrailsinPortTownsendplusFortWordenandFlagler.Theonlyreasonthatlandisnotmansionsisbecause
golfershavetakencareofitsoitremainedopenspacefor118years.ItisahistoricalgemandpartofwhatmakesportTownsendspecial.Thereisnoneedtochangeit.
PhilDinsmoredsnquist@olypen.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
Thisisaonceinalifetimeopportunitytodefineacriticalpieceofourcommunitylet'sactwisely!Mypreferences:Goodbyegolfcourse.Itprovidesoutdoorrecreationopportunities
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
forVERYfewpeopleperacreorperyear.Openspacecanbepreserved,evenenhanced,withotherusesonthatland.Theprogolfgroup'simpliedclaimthatinordertohaveopenspacecanstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTowns
endGolfCourseand
wemustretainthegolfcourseisspecious.Thereisafocusedandvocalgroupthathavefondmemoriesofusingthecourse,oruseitnowandfeelthatanimportantactivityoftheirsisMountainViewCommons|
CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
threatened.I'msorrymysentimentsarecausingsomeangst,butthebenefitstothelargercommunitywillvastlyoutweighthelossofanactivitytoarelativelysmallgroup.Andthere's
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anexisting18holecoursejustdownDiscoveryRd.Increasetreecover.Plantbothnatives,andspeciesmoretolerantofheat
&drought,tobuildinbiologicalresilience.Grasscovered
rollinghillsdonotoffermuchhabitatordiversityforotherspecies.Muchlargerbufferaroundthepond,and1accesswalkwayforwildlifeviewing.Trails!Continuethepavedbikepath
fromFSt.throughtheproperty,perhapsforkingnearBlaineSt.with1spurheadingtoSanJuan&19th,andanotherthattiesintothesouthboundbikelaneonKearney.Addsimple
gravelpedestrianpathsthroughouttheproperty,tyingintoexistingstreetROWtrailsandpedestrianusedstreetsontheperimeter.Beverywaryofjumpingonboardtrendyactivities
thatrequireinfrastructure,likepickleball.Thosecourtsaresmallandcanbetuckedintomuchsmallerspacesaroundtown.PerhapsmorecouldbeaddedontheMt.Viewcampus.
Honorandinterpretpastusesofthislandbynativepeoples.Thisparticularuniversedidnotbeginwhenthegolfcoursewasbuilt.AllowtheS'klallamtoutilizepartofthelandfor
traditionalpractices.ConnectthislandtoKahTailagoonwithsomesortofwildlifecorridor.SomeofthelandintheparcelalongBlaineSt.couldbeusedfordenseaffordablehousing,
aslongisitdoesn'tconflictwithanyofthedesiredoutcomeslistedabove.
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11/18/2022CarolLonglonglifedreams@olym
ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
pus.netTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
HaveyouspenttimeatthePortTownsendGolfCourse,aviablelocalbusiness?Didyoueverinvitefriendstolaughandhollerasyouhitabucketofballs,orgolfsoloforthepleasureof
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
walkingtheearth?IoftenspotmyneighborwheelinghisgolfcartdownLincolnStreettoplayaround.Pleasewalkthecoursewithagolferyouknow,considertryingaroundofgolf.
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
Maybeyouwillhitaholeinonepastthepondtothesecondhole.Ienjoyedleisurelymesgol ŋ ngwithfriendsandmyhusbandJimToyne.HelovedcoachinggolfwithJimParker,canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendG
olfCourseand
135especiallyhappyweretheyearsatStatewithourdaughterandPortTownsendHighSchoolŭźƩƌƭgolfteam.Sportsteachmanylifeskills.Thiscourseissmall,notfancy,however,itMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashin
gton(cityofpt.us).
remainsanallageopportunityandplacetosharetheair,courtesyandtimeinnature.WhatisonyourbucketlistforPortTownsend?Lightenupwhileyoustillcan,thegolfcourseisa
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business,afitness,socialandsportslocation;acommunityopenspacetreasure,notexclusive,notgonetodensity.Thegolfcoursehasitsownwellwaterandtested,cleannaturalpond.
Ourlocaldogshavesafeplayareas.Considerthegolfcourseasasweetbalancetotheeverydaynecessary
changesbyhomeownersandspeculatorswhomanipulatethelandscapeof
theregionforhomes,businessesandpersonalgoals.ThebestcourseofactionanduseofthelandandseamightberesistancetothedesiretoͻƦƌĻğƭĻmakeitperfectŷĻƩĻͲͼbetterthan
itisnow.Heavenonearthisastateofmind.Itisusefultorepurpose,vitalizeandvisualizetheLincolnBuilding,CommunityCenter,KahTaiLagoon,MountainViewcampus,includingthe
tenniscourts.Apotterknowstheopenspaceiswhatmakesabowluseful.Itisusefultocontinuetocreatecommunity.Thankyoutomyfellowcitizenswholovethistownandworkto
supportbeauty,diversityandintegritywithinthisplace.
11/18/2022SteveHamptonstevechampton@gmaThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
il.comViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
TownsendGolfCourseandMountain
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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meantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
consideration.Inthe
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
ThisparcelincludesSentinelRock,ahistoricsitewhereChetzamokasignaledtothewhitepioneersthattheywouldnotfightfortheland.TheS'KlallamarenowsplitintothreebandsMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashing
ton(cityofpt.us).
(PortGamble,Jamestown,andLowerElwha),allthereofwhichconsiderPortTownsend(qatay)animportantpartoftheirheritage.IsuggestthatallthreebecontactedforinputonThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
creatingappropriateculturalhistoryinformation(besidesjusthonoringtheirsurrender)aswellasaccesstoandpartnershipinsharedpublicmeetingspaces.
Asfaraswhatactivitiestokeeptheanswerisallthatareherenow.Inasmalltownthereareonlyafewpeopleforeverysport.Afewliketoswim,afewtogolf,afewplaypickleball.We
11/20/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comIhavenotedyournewcommentsNancy.Thankyou.
needallthevenues.YouĭğƓƷgetrid
137ofthepoolbecausefewerpeopleusethanplaypickleball.Twolocalhighschoolsjoinedtomakeonefootballteaminordertohaveenoughplayers.
ThisisnotSeattle.
11/20/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comIhavenotedyournewcommentsNancy.Thankyou.
Asfarasneedingaplacetowalkwithin10minutesofwhereyoulivethatmaybeaprobleminSeattlebuteverywhereinPortTownsendyoucanjuststepoutofyourhomeandbe
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walkinginbeautifulsurroundings.Wedonotalwaysrequiretransportationjusttowalk.Maybe
ifwewanttowalkatFortFlaglerorKahTaioronabeach.
11/23/2022JamieElsburyelfberry@gmail.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
I'minfavorofrepurposingthegolfcourseasapublicparkthatservesthegeneralpublic.Whyareweusingtaxdollarstosubsidizeawasteful,unnaturalenvironmentthatservesonlya
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
few?Let'screateabeautifulopenspacewithfacilitiesopentoall.TurnitintoashowplaceanddemonstrationprojectforpermaculturedesignfeaturingnativeplantsandfacilitiesthatThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourco
mments.
supportcommunityresilience.Joggingtrails!Communitygardensandorchards!Sustainabilityclasses!
11/23/2022b.l.Mcdonaldmcduck@olypen.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
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lowcosthousing.opengreenspaces.sofewgolfplayers?whysaveaneardeadhorse
11/22/2022BillBertschWvmtneers@msn.coThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
mTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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Iwouldliketoseeattheveryleastthegolfcoursepropertyremaincityownedgreenspaceeithercontinuingasaprivatelyrunmunicipalgolfcourseorpublicaccessnatureparkwith
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
walkingpathsandasmallareaforoutdoorrecreation(swingsetsandplayarea)andadjoiningpicnicarea.Ifthearearemainsagolfcourse,wouldliketoseeafterhourspublicaccessfor
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
walkingandnatureobservationduringdaylighthours.ThisisverycommonongolfcoursesinEurope.Idonotwanttoseethislandsoldforcommercialdevelopmenttoincludehousing
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
northecitydeveloporpartnerwithanyotherentityforsuchpurposes.Ideallyifnotagolfcourse,thengreenspacesuchastheQuimperLandCorridorwiththeadditionofaplaygroundThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments
.
andpicnicareawouldgreatlyenhanceandcomplimentthequalityoflifeofurruralcommunity
11/23/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.com
ThanksforyourcommentsNancy.Ihaveaddedthemtothecommentlog.
Thethreeyearcontractyougavethegolfcoursewasthesamethreeyearsascovidsoeveryoneandeverythingintownwasaffectedanditisnotarealisticpictureofhowprofitablethe
coursecanbe.NowthatDavidHeinisreviewingtheFloridareportyouwillsoonseethatithadproblemsandeverythingcanbedoneforsomuchlessandsomeofitnotdoneatall
becauseitisunnecessary.Thereportsaidtocoverthebigrockswithsoilsothecoursewouldlookmoreappealing.Wellthoserocksareglacialerraticswhichareboulderstheglacier
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dropsoffasitrollsonby.Save$6,000rightthere.Wethinktherocksarewonderfulandsomehowgolfershavemanagedtoplayaroundthemforover100years.Plusyoufixedthewell
anddidotherthingsoverthesethreeyearsasdidthetƌğǤĻƩƭclubwithlandscapingworkprobablysavingthe$45,000costoftreeandgroundsworkoutlinedinthereport.Sothereisno
needforthecoursetogoawayforyourreasonthatitwastooexpensiveandeverythingpeoplewantcangoatMt.View,KahTai,orsomeoftheĭźƷǤƭconsiderablepropertyand
probablyacoupleofthingswillbecompatiblewiththecourseasIamsureyouķƚƓƷwantittoshutdownverymuchsotheyloserevenuewhichaffectswhattheypaythecity.Golfballs
cang0160milesanhoursoyouĭğƓƷhavepeoplejustwanderingaround.ThegolfcourseisoneofthemosthistoricpropertiesintownjustlikethetheRothschildhouseandothers.Itis
livinghistory.TheĭźƷǤƭownhistoricpreservationcommitteehasamandatetorestorehistoricpropertyandIwouldsaythegolfcourseisa10inthatcategory.pleasedonotdestroythe
golfcourse.Letthegolferscontinuetotakecareofthisopenspace.
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11/27/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comThanksforyourcommentsNancy.Ihaveaddedthemtothecommentlog.
FortherepurposingprojectofMt.Viewandgolfcoursewehavenowbeentoldwehavetopickwhichactivitieswewanttokeep.Asfaraswhatactivitiestokeeptheanswerisallthat
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areherenow.Inasmalltownthereareonlyafewpeopleforeverysport.Afewliketoswim,afewtogolf,afewplaypickleball.Weneedallthevenues.YouĭğƓƷgetridofthepool
becausefewerpeopleusethanplaypickleball.Twolocalhighschoolsjoinedtomakeonefootballteaminordertohaveenoughplayers.ThisisnotSeattle.
11/28/2022OwenFairbankfairbao@gmail.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Ithinkthatacombinationofuseasopenspace,agriculture,andaffordablehousingwouldprovidethegreatestcommunitybenefitfromthiswonderfulCityproperty.NothingagainstThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments
.
golfers,butagolfcoursedoesn'tprovidebroadcommunitybenefit,orincreaseaffordablehousingorfoodsecurity,andisn'tevenaccessibletonongolfers.
11/29/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.com
ThanksforthesuggestionNancy.Iamnotinapositiontoreinventhistory.The
Hi - I got a copy of the plan. Since we know the Florida report is being reviewed it would be a disservice to the city and the course to leave the golf course paragraphs as is and approve
NGFreportiswhatitis.Itexists,thecitycommissioneditandaccepteditin
145 the plan. I can point out particulars like the city has done work and Player's Club has done work, etc. but you know them. The easiest way if you have to approve before the new report
is
2019.WearesupplementingthisNGFwithanewanalysiswithDavidIĻźƓĻƭ
out just delete all the text and say Update to come in spring of 2023.
work.HopefullythiswillsatisfythedissatisfactionoftheNGFreport.
That way the rest of the report is usable and you can update with correct text for the future when report is ready and maybe even know the outcome before updating.
11/8/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comThanksforyourcommentstoCouncilNancy.Ihaveaddedthemtothefulllogof
comments.
HithepresentationfortheNativeAmericanHeritageMonthwasverymoving.TheyspokeabouttheircampbeingatMemorialField.Atthelaststakeholdercommitteemeetingforthe
golfcourseandMt.Viewthestakeholdlerswereaskedtotellapersonalstoryormeaningaboutthegolfcourse.Thetwotribalrepresentativesspokeabouthowveryimportantand
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meaningfulthegolfcoursepropertywastothem,theirfamiliesandtribe.Theysaiditwasaveryspecialpieceoflandandfromthehillthereyoucanstillseethepathwheretheirboats
weremovedfromthecampatMemorialFieldupanddownthehilltogolfcourseproperty.Thispropertyisstillthatspecialplacebecauseofgolferstakingcareofitfor118years.Please
letthemcontinue.Thegolfcoursedoesnotneedanotherpurpose.It'scurrentpurposeoftakingcareofthepropertyandtheopenspaceispurposeenough.Thankyou
11/29/2022GabrielleVanwertgabriellerobinsonspauThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
lding@gmail.comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
Hello.Iwouldlovetoseethegolfcourseturnedintoagreenspacethatismoreaccessiblebymorepeople.Wearelosingopenspace,sowhileweneedhousing,IķƚƓƷthinkthatistheMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(
cityofpt.us).
solution.Iwouldlovetobuilduptheplanthabitatsoitfollowsapermaculturemindset,withdifferentheightsandtypesofplants.Itcouldbeusedasapermaculturedemonstrationsite
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oracommonfoodforest.
11/29/2022ChaunceyLocklearChauncey.locklear@gThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
mail.comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
Lķliketoseeaninvestmentinasolararraysothatwecouldhavemoreopportunitiestohaveacarbonneutralgrid,aswellasemergencyelectricitywhenthelargemagnitude
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
earthquake(thebigone)hitsandwearecutofffromthelargersuppliers.Lķalsolikeacommunitygardenprojectwithabarnfilledwithshareabletoolsandfarmingequipment.\[ĻƷƭuseThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomm
ents.
therestfor5storyaffordablehousingunitsandgoformaximumdensity.Maximumdensity!
11/29/2022KrisHorrockskris@alongtheselines.
ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
orgTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
Weneedabold/ambitiousvisionthatservesamultitudeofneedsinawaythatismorethanjustacollectionoffeaturesandcreatesaDestinationforlocalsandtouristsalike.Asonecanstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTo
wnsendGolfCourseand
example,here'swhatIpostedonFB:Stackfunctions.Thereissomuchspace!Playground(JUMPisawesomeandweneedmore).Ampitheater(allseason).Climbing/bouldering.HighMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(
cityofpt.us).
ropescourseandwalkingtrailsabove/throughitall.Plantedandsignedasabioregionalbotanicalgardenusingpermaculturalprinciplestominimizeinputsandmaintenance.Somekind
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ofsharedkitchenspace(likeLila's)tofeedthevisitors(andaddadditionalrevenue).Surroundedbyamultipurposepavedtrail(likeGreenlake).
11/30/2022MarkWeissjmarkweiss@gmail.coThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
mTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
Thegolfcourseservesrelativelyfewpeopleandisfarfroman"openspace"orgreenspace.Thereisnopublicaccess.Currently,thecityisbasicallyjustalandlordcollectingrentsonland.
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
ofitcouldbeusedformuchneededaffordablehousing.Pleasekeepmostofitforpublicuse,suchasa
Ibelievethatthelandcanbetterservethecityandpublicinsomanyways.SomeThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
park,dogtrails,etc.Itwouldbewonderfulifmostofthelandcouldberestoredtoitsnaturalstatepriortodevelopmentasagolfcourse.
11/30/2022JesseWildjesse@wildward.net
ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
Iwouldlovetobeabletouseatleastpartofthisspaceforwalking,withmyfriends,anddogonleash.Sacramento'sAncilHoffmanParkhasthismixedusewithgolfcourseandtrails.IMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashingto
n(cityofpt.us).
alsothinkitwouldbenefitthecityanditscitizensifsomeofthespacehadhighdensityaffordable(butbeautiful)housingsothatthepeoplewhoworkherecouldactuallylivehere.Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
That'smoreimportantthantheminorityoffolksthatgolf,IMO.
11/30/2022MariaCoryallMariacm@gmail.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
MartinTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
IsupportthegolfcourseandMountainViewCommonsascommunityaccessiblespacesinclusivetoallages.Lķreallyliketoseeanewpool/communitycenter,especiallyasweareacanstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTown
sendGolfCourseand
maritimebasedcommunityandwatereducationisparamount.Itwouldalsoservefitnessandrehabsupportforallages,onalignmentwithJeffersonHealthcare.LǝĻraisedmyseven
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
yearolddaughterhereandoftenwishwecouldwalkandplayonthegolfcourse.PerhapsƷŷĻƩĻƭroomforcompromiseinsomepublic/privateaccess,butIbelieveinthevalueofpublic
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greenspaceforwalking,exploring,andmeetingasourcitymaygrowmaydenseinotherspaces.
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12/2/2022GaryRogersptpuffers@gmail.comKeepthegolfcourse.ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
12/3/2022AshleySmithThe1ashleysmith@gmThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
ail.comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
Keepthegolfcourse,źƷƭpartofportTownsendandisoneofthefewactivitiesavailablelocally.Wouldlovetoseeitexpandeditincludeminigolfandfamilyfocusedevents
12/4/2022SarahCPellersarah.peller@gmail.co
ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
mTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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Iwouldlovetoseeasmallunittrulyaffordablehousingcommunitywithlotsofgardensandgreenspacehere.MaybeworkinginconjunctionwithCelineSantiagoacrossthestreet,to
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
expandgetvisionsomewhat.She'screatingsomeamazingthingsonthepeacesignpropertyandIwouldlovetoseethecityworkwithher.Orperhapsfarmlandand/orsomespacesforcanstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTowns
endGolfCourseand
communityorientedbusinesses?Keepingthenaturallandscapeandgreenspace...ItmademesadwhenthecitytookouttheparkinglotatbetterlivingthroughcoffeeandjustreplacedMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashing
ton(cityofpt.us).
itwithconcrete.Iwashopingformoregreeneryandmanypeopleexpressedthatdisappointmentaswell.So,I'dhatetoseeuslosethenaturalbeautyofthatzoneentirelyifsomething
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elsegotbuiltthere.
12/1/2022FranPostfranpost254@gmail.cThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
omTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
PortTownsendGolfCourseand
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:Envision
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
ItirksmethatmytaxpayermoneyissupportingafacilityIcannotevenwalkon,sinceIamNOTagolfer.Aswell,golfcoursesusetoomuchwater,andchemicals.Nordotheyprovide
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habitatformostcritters.Iprefertoseepartofthisproperty,about10acresorless,usedforaffordablehousingandtherestforopenspaceandrecreation,foreveryone.
12/2/2022ChristianAndrewschristian.d.andrews@ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
gmail.comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Thegolfcourseinmyopinionwhatbebetterutilizedforaffordablehousing(apartments)andgreenspace.It'slocationisclosetoschoolsandstores.WealreadyhaveanothergreatgolfThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomme
nts.
courseatChevyChase.ChevyChaseprobablywouldappreciatetheaddedbusinessaswell.Idon'tfeelourcommunityreallyneedstwogolfcourses.
12/4/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comIhavereceivedyourcommentsandareaddingthemtothelog.
TheHealthandWellnessgroupisspendingawholelotofmoneyandtimetobuildaHealthandWellnessCentertoencourageallofustogetoutsideandexercisesowhydotheywantto
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eliminatealreadyexistingoutdoorexerciseandsportvenuesthatareusedallthetimegettingusoutsideexercising?TheopenhouseinJanuaryisforustochoosewhichofthosevenues
wewantgone.WellweķƚƓƷwantanywealreadyhavegoneandtheyshouldnoteither.
12/4/2022D.Lubertdjlubert@gmail.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
Iamagolfer.IdonotplayPTbecauseoftheabsenceofcoursemaintenance.IplayatDiscoveryBaywhichisverywellmaintainedcomparedtoPT.IbelievethatthelandthePTgolf
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
coursesitsoncouldbebetterutilizedbymorecitizensifitwereconvertedtootheruses.Ifoneconsidersthelikelihoodmorecitizenswouldusethecourseifitwerecleanedupand
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
bettermanagedthereturnontimeandmoneyisnotthere.ForthosewhotrulywanttoplaygolfDiscoveryBayisaviablealternative.FindsomeotherusesfortheƌğƓķͶ͵ĬĻtheyprivate
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
159orpublic.Leasingthelandforresidentialconstructionasmanyuniversitiesdotoprovidemoreaffordablehousingforstaffmightbeanicesolutionforthoseadvocatingmoreaffordable
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
housingalternatives.ThecityneednotgetinvolvedinbuildingaffordablehousingastheyhavedemonstratedwiththeCarmelApartments.ConvertingMVPtoatheatermightbeabetter
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
useofthespace.BuildinganewpoolandwellnesscenteronthePTgolfacrossfromthepoolmakessense(busconnectionsetc.)Convertingthegolfcoursetoaparkdoesnotmakemuch
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
sensetomeaswebarelymaintaintheparkswehave.Anythingwithgrassrequiresmaintenance.
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
12/5/2022MikeMcCleanmcclean@olypen.com
Thanksforyouremail.Iamrespondingsothatyouhaveaccurateinformation.
ThePWDepartmentdidnotdeliverareporttoCouncilandbasetheir
recommendationsontheworkintheNGFstudy.Infact,Councilchargedstaff
withhavingarobustcommunityconversationabouttheGolfCoursethatis
happeningrightnow.TheCityofficiallyrequestedDavidHeinetoanalyzethe
DearCouncilMembers,IunderstandthatthePublicWorksDept.hasdeliveredareporttotheCouncilthatmakesrecommendationsregardingthefutureofthegolfcourseandthattheirNGFreportandthegolfcourseandgiveusanassessment
.5ğǝźķƭassessment
assessmentisbasedsolelyontheNGFreportanddoesnotincorporatetheevaluationofDavidHeine.Thismakesabsolutelynosense,sinceDavidHeinwashiredindirectlybytheCitytowillbepartofthewholeconversation.Inaddition,w
ecurrentlyhavean
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provideasecondevaluationregardingthefutureofthegolfcourse.IapologizeifIammistakenaboutthis,butotherwise,pleaseseethatcarefulconsiderationisgiventoDavidHeine'soperationalcontractfortheGolfCoursethatis
effectivethroughDecember2023
report.andasImentionedearlier,weareinthemidstofplanningforthefuture,both
fortheGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcomments
totheplanningprocess.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforother
waysyoucanstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolf
CourseandMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington
(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
Mail
12/5/2022RobertHoppehopperobertd@gmail.
comThanksforyouremailandlettertotheCityCouncil.TheCFPthatwasadopted
bytheCouncilonMondaynightisalivedocumentthatwewillcontinueto
updateasneeded.TheCityCouncilwillhavetheopportunitytoadoptitevery1
2yearsduringthebudgetadoption.TheCityCouncilchargedstaffwithhavinga
robustcommunityconversationabouttheGolfCoursethatishappeningright
now.TheCityofficiallyrequestedDavidHeinetoanalyzetheNGFreportandthe
golfcourseandgiveusanassessment.5ğǝźķƭassessmentwillbepartofthe
161wholeconversation.Inaddition,wecurrentlyhaveanoperationalcontractfor
PleaseconsiderthisRequestregardingtheReportoftheDepartmentofPublicWorksthatIunderstandisbeingsubmittedtotheCityCounciltoday.Specifically,l'mtoldthatDavidHeine,
theGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andasImentioned
aconsultantonthePortTownsendGolfCourse,hascompleted,orisworkingofl,asupplementtotheReportby
NGFwhichispartofthePublicWorksReport.IhavenotseenMr.Heine'searlier,weareinthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourse
report,butIunderstanditaddressestheissueoftheNGFcostestimateforrecommendedimprovementstothegolfcourse.IfurtherunderstandthatthosewhoopposecontinuingtheandMountainViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstoth
eplanning
operationofthegolfcourse,asagolfcourse,havearguedthattheNGFcostestimatesupportstheirpositionthattheEolfcourseshouldnctbecontinuedinoperatiortbytheCityassuch
process.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyoucanstay
operationwouldbetoocostly.However,theNGFcostestimateshouldbeconsideredbytheCouncilassubstantiallyirrelevant,asitisbaseduponinaccurateassumptionsastowhat
involvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseandMountain
"improvements"areneededforcontinuedoperationofthegolfcourse.ltishopedthatMr.Heine'sreportwillexplaintotheCityCouncilwhythesecostsshouldnotbeincurred,rs{h"yViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cit
yofpt.us).Thanksagain
rr*notinfactappropriateornecessary.lflvlr.l'leine'ssupplementalreporteffectivelyaddressesthecostissue,IbelievetheCityCouncilshouldhaveandconsiderthatinformationfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
beforeitproceedswithdeliberationsontheissuesof"repurposing"thegolfcoursepropertyandcontinuedoperationofthegolfcourse.
12/8/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comThanksforyourcommentstotheCityCouncilNancy.Iwilladdthemtothe
commentlog.
Severalcommentstalkaboutbenefitforthewholecommunity.Everyexercise/sportvenueisabenefittocommunityofferingyouaplacetoexerciseorenjoyasportandthe
camaraderiethatitbrings.Thegolfcourseisasportcourtjustlikefootball,baseball,soccer,pickleballcourtsorfields.Thegolfcourseisalsoabenefittocommunitybygivingthousands
ofdollarsfromtheirtournamentstolocalgroupsandcharitieslikeKiwanis,RhodyFestival,ElksClub,HighSchoolRivalsathleticprograms,JeffersonCountyLittleLeague,SunriseRotary
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Club,etc.Thecityshouldgivethegolfcourseacommendationformany
earsofgivingtothecommunityandtheHealthandWellnessCentershouldencourageallexercise/sportgroups
toaddacommunitybenefitoffundraising.Repurposingthegolfcoursewouldbeadisservicetothecommunity.Ihopethecitizens,citycouncilandstakeholderswilldotheirdue
diligenceandreadeverythingonthegolfcoursewebsitesaveptgolf.comsotheyareawareofallthebenefitsandseethecurrentpurposeisasitshouldbebenefitingthewhole
community.
12/8/2022SandraStowellsjstowell1000@gmail.
comCouldPortTownsendbenefitfromanenvironmentaleducationcenterinsteadofagolfcourse?WouldanenvironmentalnonprofitbeabletoestablishafacilitythatcoulddrawvisitorsThanksforyourinputaboutthegolfcourse.Ihav
eaddedittoourcommentlog
fromoutoftownforspecialeventsandworkshops,whileprovidingarichlearningexperienceandaccesstolovelygroundsrestoredwithnativeplants.IncomewouldneedtocomefromthattheCouncilwillreviewinmakinganydecisionsab
outtheland.Thanksso
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classes,workshops,specialevents,donationsandgrants.Thiswouldbesomethingabitdifferentforourarea,anditcouldbeprettywonderful.Thismightbeabetteroptionthanmore
much.
artsactivities,giventheeffortstoexpandartactivitiesatFt.Worden.
12/10/2022PattiHoyeckiphoyecki@yahoo.comThankssomuchforyourcomments.Ihaveputtheminourongoinglogfor
reviewbytheCityCouncil.Yes,therewasalotofpubliccommentthatwas
capturedafewyearsagoaspartoftheParks,Recreation,andOpenSpace
164Planningprocess.ItwasbecauseofthisinputtheCouncildecidedtodivedown
deeperintothisprocess.Tothisend,thecityhiredalandscapearchitecttostart
Idistinctlyrecallputtingthoughtandeffortinrespondingtoaquestionnaireaboutwhattodowiththegolfcourseproperty.Myselfandfriendswhoalsorespondedwonderwhatworkingonalternativeconceptsthatisworkingwithourco
mmunity.Thanks
happenedtoourinput.Diditmakeanydifference,didanyonereadit?Itmakesmewonderaboutthecommunitycommentaryprocess.
againforyourinput.
12/12/2022LynBarrylynbarry913@gmail.cAshasbeenpreviouslystated,whileweenvisionthePortTownsendGolfCourseandtheMountainViewCommonswemustrememberthegreenopenspaceisirreplaceable.MountainThankyousomuchfo
ryourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
omViewCommonsisideallyplacedforthePortTownsendHealthierTogetherCommunityHealthandWellnessCenter.Thegolfcourseshouldnotbeusedforhousing;nohouse,noTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanopera
tional
apartments,noperformingartscenter.TheEvansVistaHousingDevelopmentiswellsituatedwithplansfor100150workforcehousingunits,envisioningalivelycommunityasset.contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethrough
December2023andweare
MadronaRidgeSubdivisionisapprovedfor167homes.EquitableandinclusivehousingisdistributedthroughoutPortTownsendincludingAdmiraltyApts,BishopParkApts,ClaridgeCourtinthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfor
theGolfCourseandMountain
Apts,DiscoveryViewApts,HancockStApts,KearneyStApts,LaurelHeightsApts,MarineViewApts,andSanJuanCommonsamongothers.BulldozersaremakingimprovementsforViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningproces
sfor
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capacityattheCaswellBrownVillage.Cityzoningandcodeamendmentsarebeingconsideredforrevisionatthistime.ThisisnotthetimetocarveupthegreenopenspaceofthePortconsideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpa
geforotherwaysyou
Townsendgolfcourse.canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
12/16/2022CharlesSteurercharlesrsteurer@gmaiThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
l.comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
View
Commons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
IambornandraisedinportTownsendsence1983.MyfirstjobwasattheportTownsendgolfcoursebestjobIeverhad.IthinkitwouldbeahugetragedytocloseordownsizeastepinThanksagainfortakingthe
timetosendyourcomments.
thewrongdirectionforarecommunity
12/16/2022CharlesLawclawthree@gmail.comaboutthePort
Thankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussion
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
It'shasbeendocumentedthePortTownsendGolfCoursehasamajorhistoricalbackground.In1854theSuperintendentofIndianAffairsrecognizedCheechMaHamaschiefofthetotheplanningprocessfor
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcomments
S'Klallamtribeandheldhimresponsibleforthe"goodbehavior"ofhispeople.AtPointNoPoint,in1855,ChiefCheechMaHamsignedatreatygivingupallS'Klallamlandinexchange
consideration.Justsoyouareaware,theS"Kllallamisrepresentedonour
forretainingtherightstofish,huntandgatherintheS'Klallamusualandaccustomedareas.Suchtreaties,pushedbyGovernorIsaacStevensandlargelymisunderstoodbytheIndians,stakeholdergroup.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitt
hiswebpageforotherways
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provokedtheIndianWarsin185556.Duringthesewars,anumberofS'KlallamheldasecretmeetingtodecidewhetherornottokillthewhitesinPortTownsend.TheS'Klallamyoucanstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsen
dGolfCourse
deliberatedforninedays,duringwhichCheechMaHamsentadailysignalof"danger."Onthetenthday,themessageSearch12/19/22,10:02AMSubmission#132|CityofPort
andMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
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Logout|Webmail|Employee|LinkingPolicy|fromSignalRockwas,inessence,"dangerispassed."TheS'Klallamhadgivenuptheirpurpose.CheechMa
Hamwasconsideredaheroby
thewhitepopulation,andfromthatpointonwasimmortalizedbythem.Abronzeplaquewaseventuallyplacedontherockhesignaledfrom,andaparkinPortTownsendbearsthe
nameChetzemoka.SignalRockandbronzeplaque(andstatue)areatgatewaytothePortTownsendgolfcourse.IbelieveitwouldbefittingandpropertoinvitetheJamestownS'Klallam
tribeonwhatcourseshouldbeundertakenandwhatsharedvisiontheymighthaveforthelandthatistheirtraditionalterritory.
12/17/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comThanksforyourcommentsNancy.Ihaveloggedthemonourcommentlog.
Youaregoingtospendalotofmoneyonahealthandwellnesscentertogetusalloutsideexercisingsowhywouldyoutakeawaygolfcoursewheremanypeopleareoutsideexercising
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andthroughtournamentsgivingthousandsofdollarstolocalgroupsandcharities?ThehighcostisnolongerafactorandallyouneedisaprolikeMikeEarly.Thecourseisdoingexactly
whatyouwantsowhynotuseitasanexampleforhealthandwellnessespeciallyforour34%seniorpopulation?
12/17/2022Lizhoenigkanieskilizhoenig@gmail.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
HelloMyhusbandandIbelievethenumberonepriorityforourcommunityisinfillhousingforlowerandmiddleincomepeople.Weareadeveloped,urbancommunityandhavetheViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessf
or
infrastructureavailabletosupportmorehousing.Webelievethe58acrescurrentlyusedforthegolfcourseshouldbepubliclydevelopedascommunitybasedhousingfocusingonconsideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpag
eforotherwaysyou
middle,lowincomehousingincombinationwithpublictrailsandextensiveprairiehabitatrestoration.Anaquaticcomplexcouldbedevelopedaspartofthisifthecommunitywantstocanstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPor
tTownsendGolfCourseand
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financethat.Ourcommunityfundeda$28milliondollarselementaryschoolin2017.Weimaginewithaclearpurposeandvisionthatthecommunitywouldoverwhelminglyfunda
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
projectlikethis.Davis,CAandmanyothercommunitiesarestrugglingwiththesehousingaffordabilityissuesandcomingupwithinnovativesolutions.
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
https://www.palominoplacedavis.com/#titlewithsideoverview2.Search12/19/22,10:03AMSubmission#134|CityofPortTownsendWashington
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Employee|LinkingPolicy|Housing,Prairierestoration,Publictrails,andAquaticscomplex.Awinningcombinationofprojects.Thelocalgolfcourse'stimehascometobetransformed
intosomethingmoreappropriateforourtimesandforthefutureofourcommunity.DiscoveryBayisalovelycoursethatisnotfarfromtownandisaffordable.I'msuretheywouldbe
opentopartneringwithPTorCountyParksandRectosubsidizefolkswhocannotaffordtheirfeesanddevelopaffordableprograms
Charleykanieski
12/17/2022Lizhoenigkanieskilizhoenig@gmail.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
WehaveForestSchumerandFredSharpeprairierestorationexpertsrightherinPT!!TheycanleadtherestorationeffortsandgetyouthoutsideworkingtorestorethisculturalandMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashingto
n(cityofpt.us).
environmentaltreasure.Imaginewhatanintergenerationalcommunityeffortthiswouldbe!Familieswouldbeinvolvedandtalkingaboutitforgenerations.Thsishouldbeapublicly
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
fundedanddirectedeort.hps://globalearthrepairfoundaon.org/forestshomernaveseedsandprairierestoraon/
12/17/2022MelanieMerritmlsmerrit@mcac.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
IwouldlikethePTgolfcourseremainagolfcourse.
12/18/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comThanksforyourcomments.Ihaveloggedthemonourcommentlog.
IķƚƓƷplaygolfsowhyshouldIcareifwekeepthegolfcourse,IķƚƓƷswimsowhyshouldIcareabouthavingaswimmingpool,IķƚƓƷplaypickleballsowhyshouldIcareifthereare
172morecourts,IķƚƓƷeatsalmonsowhyshouldIcareiftheydisappear,IķƚƓƷcareabouttreessowhyshouldIcareiftherainforestdisappears,IķƚƓƷcareaboutPortTownsend
becauseIwantittobelikeSeattle.Youcareaboutthesethingsbecausetheyareworthytobecaredaboutandbecausetheyareimportanttoothers.Yousupportkeepingthembecause
theybringjoy,beautyandhealthtoothers.
12/18/2022Lizhoenigkanieskilizhoenig@gmail.comThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contract
fortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
HelloagainWe'dliketoalsoencourageourcommunitytoreallybeIMAGINATIVEasweconsideralternativesforthisland.Oneotherexampleofa"development"thatincorporates
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ecological,permaculture,andrestorativedesignisVillageHomesinDavis,CA.Thisisanarticleonthesubdivision:https://steemit.com/health/@jennislay/sustainablesuburbiaexploring
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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villagehomesindavisca.WebelieveifhumanscanIMAGINEafuturethatsupportsrestoravevaluesfortheprairies,forlocalfood/ediblelandscapingforproteconofnavesoils,consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpa
geforotherwaysyou
forconservationofindigenouscultures,forwidelyandfreelyavailablepublicspaces,foranethicofhumansasactivestewardsoftheland...thewecanbringitintobeing.Searchcanstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortT
ownsendGolfCourseand
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hopeyouwillalsoconsiderdesigningpublicengagementprocessesthatallowfortheThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
IMAGINATIONSandDREAMSofhumanstobeheardandseen.Thankyou.
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12/20/2022SteveLampertbuddylamp@hotmail.ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
BeforewemovedtotowninJuly2001,PortTownsendhadarollerskatingrinkandabowlingalley.Bothoftheseweregonebythetimewearrivedhere.Thegolfcourseisoneofthefewcanstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownse
ndGolfCourseand
recreationalopportunitiesthatpeoplehaveintown.Itisanopenspacewithwildlife.Iseecoyotes,geese,ducks,andmanyspeciesofsingbirdsoftenwhenIamoutthereplaying.TheMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashing
ton(cityofpt.us).
golfcoursehasthehighschoolteam,andIoftenseefamiliesandkidsatthedrivingrangeandonthecourse.PTisveryfriendlytothePickleballers(Iamone),whyğƩĻƓƷweasfriendly
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
tothegolfcourse?LƷƭnotthebestcourseintheworld,butweloveitanditisours!Pleasekeepthegolfcourse.
12/22/2022LizHoeniglizhoenig@gmail.com
WewillbeplanningwiththepublicthroughMay,2023.Pleaseletmeknowif
175Ihaveonefollowupquestionabouttimingofinputfortheenvisioningprocess.Canyouestimatewhenpublicinputwillend?IseeyouareplanningtoworkwithCouncilonadecision
youhaveadditionalquestions.
spring2023.Iamworkingwithasmallgroupofcitizensandatimeframefordecisionmakingwouldbehelpful:).Thankssomuch.
12/24/2022DavidBurroughsdavidbdesign@gmail.cThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
omTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
fortheGolfCourseandMountain
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,both
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ThegolfPTcourseisanopengreenspacethatmakestheSanJuanvalleyattractivetousersofthespaceandtononusersalike.Thereisanhistoricalvaluetothespacethatwillbeconsideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpagef
orotherwaysyou
destroyedifitissoldtoprivatedevelopers.Itisoneofthefewremainingpartsofthetownthathasnotbeendeveloped(beyondbeingagolfcourse)andthereisanimportantwetlandcanstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTo
wnsendGolfCourseand
thatattractsavarietyofwildlife.DevelopingthespacewilldestroyoneofthethingsthatmakesPortTownsendsospecial.PortTownsendresidentsappreciatetheaestheticsofthetownMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWas
hington(cityofpt.us).
andsellingthespacetodeveloperswillonlybebeneficialtotheveryfewwhostandtoprofitfromtheventure.KeepPortTownsendspecial.Don'tmakeitlooklikeanyothersmallcityin
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
thecountry.Ifthatiswhatyouwant,movethereandletPortTownsendretain
itsuniquecharacter.
12/27/2022JoeEvansjosef.t.evans@gmail.cThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
om
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
TheareacoveredbythegolfcoursewouldprovidetheperfectopportunitytoopenPortTownsendtodevelopmentforaffordablehousing.Apartments,condos,aparkinggarage,orlargeMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashing
ton(cityofpt.us).
hotelwouldgreatlybenefitthelocaleconomyaswellasprovidemuchneededhousing.Stiflingdevelopmentisafailedagenda.Wearealreadysufferingfromtoomanypeople,notThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
enoughtown.WecouldlearnalotfromPoulsbo.
12/27/2022CoreyLabriec.s.labrie6@gmail.coThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
mTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
AssomeonewholivesneartheGolfCourse,andsomeonewholiveswithincitylimitsallyearlong.Itisinsanetomehowdefensivepeopleareofagolfcoursethat,One,Bringsinbarely
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
anyrevenueandinfactisactivelylosingmoney.Two,hardlyhaspeopleusingit.Three,ķƚĻƭƓƷallowforregularpedestrianstowalkthroughitafterdarkandmostimportantlyFour,isa
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
hugepieceoflandinacentralizedlocationthatcouldbeusedforhousinginatownthedesperatelyneedshousing.Leavepartofthecourse,keepthepondareaandcreatealovelypark
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
thateveryonecanenjoy.Evenjustcreateasmallerparkwithadrivingrange.Orevenfortheloveofgodaminigolfpark,atleastthenitwouldactuallymakemoney.ButIķƚƓƷknowof
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
anylandthatcouldaccommodatepeoplesowell.LƷƭeasilywithinwalkingdistanceoftwoSearch12/28/22,9:29AMSubmission#142|CityofPortTownsendWashington
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https://cityofpt.us/node/21717/submission/434122/3grocerystores,theYMCA,thedogpark,avetclinic,afarmstand,HenerysHardware,andthehighschool.LƷƭanareathatactually
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hasreliablesidewalksandbikelanesforthosewherewalkingandbikingistheirmainmodeoftransportation.Partofthegreenspacecouldeasilyaccommodatealovelylooking
apartmentbuildingthatcouldhousepeoplewhocouldaddvibrancyandenergytothiswonderfulcommunity.Igetit,losingatleastpartofagreenspaceintownwould
bedifficult.But
thistownhastostartthinkingpracticallyifwewanttohavereliablehealthcare,restaurantsandretailworkers.Rightnowallthoseareasarehemorrhaging.Justtakeawalkdowntown
andǤƚǒƌƌseeͻŷĻƌƦǞğƓƷĻķsignsineveryotherstore.Andyet,everyoneseemstowonderwhynooneistakingthemupontheoffer.Whyaretheresuchlongwaittimes?Whyisfood
somuchmoreexpensive?Whyismyfavorite(insertplace)nowclosedmoreoften?Thesimpleanswerisnoonetoworkit.Whyshouldanyonewanttocommutesofarforajobthatwill
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barelycovermortgageorrent?Forajobthatwillhardlycoverthegastogethere?Alreadyitseems,thatmostoftheworkersintowncommutebothhereandback,PortHadlock,Port
Ludlow,Sequim,PortAngelesevenSilverdale.5ƚƓƷevengetmestartedonthosethatrelyontheFerrytogethere.Itisabsolutelyridiculousandatrociousthatthosethatworkhere,
ĭğƓƷlivehere.Andthetownsͻhŷwell,whenIwasYOURageͼattitudetothatfactastoundsme.Didourrecentstormsandsnownotremindushowthistownwouldcompletelyshut
downwithoutminimumwageworkers?ThatwithouthealthcareworkerslivingINTOWNthereisnowayourprescriptionswouldbefilled,specializedtestscouldberunand(godforbid)
ƷŷĻƩĻƭamedicalemergencythatwecouldreceiveadequatemedicalcare?ŷĻƩĻƭalreadyawaittime
whenpeoplecalltheJeffersonhealthcarelinetotalktoanybody,areyouwilling
towaitlonger?PortTownsendeitherhastocometotermswiththefactthatatleastathirdofitshomeownersķƚƓƷlivehereyearround(someofthemķƚƓƷlivehereatall).Unlesswe
arewillingtoaddressthatfactweneedtofindothersolutions.Thatincludesfindingreliablespacesforaffordablehousing.Housingformedicalworkers,forskilledelectricians,
plumbers,automechanics,Millworkersforgrocers,forrestaurantstaffandretailworkers.Lƒsickofaccommodatingthesmallpopulationofloudgolferswhoenjoyaroundofgolf
everyotherweekend.Wehavebeenhavingahousingcrisisforavery,verylongtime.Agolfcourseisnicebuttherearetwo(theotherbeingonDiscoveryroad),andreallyhowmanyof
yougolfersuseityearround?Igotyelledatonceforwalkingthroughafterdarkwhentherewerenogolfers!IfźƷƭsuchagreatͻŭƩĻĻƓƭƦğĭĻͼͲwhyĭğƓƷI,ataxpayingcitizen,walk
throughitafterduskwhennogolfersaregolfing?ThetruthisIĭğƓƷͧLƷƭanelitistspacequitefrankly,andforthoseofustryingtomakealifehereźƷƭapublicnuisance.12/28/22,9:29
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12/30/2022FredTrainfredtrain@aol.com
I tried valiantly, but could not find the official public input site on the City web site for the golf course project. I have provided input before, but I think I can be clearer this
time. And I hope
I haven't exceeded the comment period.1. I am not a golfer, so I want to put my bias right up front.2. I think the golf course should be repurposed. As I understand, the proportion of
residents that actually use it now is quite small, considering how much land is taken up by the golf course.3. I understand that the golf course property comprises 56 acres, plenty of
room to accommodate multiple uses. 4.Everyone is aware that increasing the amount of affordable housing is of paramount importance for economic and humanitarian reasons in the
Sonotedandputintothepublicrecord.Forfuturereference,wewillbetaking
Port Townsend area. We've talked enough about the issue. It's time to take action!5. One idea would be to dedicated around 80% of the property (~46 acres) to various recreational
uses, while the remaining 18% (~10 acres) would be dedicated to affordable housing.6.The housing could be located along the periphery. An ideal spot would be near the intersection of
commentthroughouttheplanningprocessthroughJune,andthecommentcard
San Juan and F Streets. There already is some development at the corner that is not part of the golf course property.7.There are many other possible locations, as the course is bounded
canbefoundonlineundertheGCandMountainViewplanningpage.Youcan
by four main streets: the aforementioned two plus Cherry and Blaine.8.A 10 acre piece of land could accommodate at least 150 closely-spaced, small single-family houses with a little
179gettoitbygoingtothehomepageofthe/źƷǤƭsite,andclickingonthebig
space for community facilities. The houses would be more affordable, if they would be townhouses or low-rise apartments and it makes sense to dedicate a large portion of the 10 acres
buttonintheupperrightͻĬƌǒĻΉǞŷźƷĻƌƚŭƚͼ͵ThiswilltakeyoutotheGCpage
to that kind of development. That would significantly increase the number overall housing units on those 10 acres and really would really boost the quantity of affordable housing in
this
andyoucanbothfindthecommentcard,andthecommentlog.Thankssomuch
city.9.So why locate housing at the golf course property?a. The golf course is owned by the City. There would be no land cost, which is typically 1/3rd of the development cost. So cost
foryourcomments.
saving.b.Thereisalotofacreageandnotallofitneedstobeusedforrecreationalpurposes.c.Thegolfcourseissurroundedbymainstreets,whichprobablyhavemajorutilitiesin
place.(cost)d.Dependingonthelocationofthehousing,thesitecouldhavegoodtransitaccess.e.Dependingonthehousinglocation,therecouldbereasonableaccesstostoresand
services.f.Dependingonthehousinglocation,therecouldbeexcellentaccesstomiddleandhighschools.g.Greataccesstorecreationalfacilities.;)Ihopethiscanstillmakeitintothe
record.Thanks.
12/31/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.com
Citycouncil,citymanager,stakeholdershaveyoualldoneyourduediligenceandlookedatthesaveptgolf.comwebsitetoseethebeautyandvalueofthecourseandhowmuchit
180ThanksforyourcommentstoCouncil.Ihaveaddedthemtothecommentlog.
benefitsthecommunity?Ifnotthenyouarenotdoingthejobcitizenstrustyoutodo.Youdonotneedtodestroytocreate.
Ihaveaddedyourcommentstotherecord.Thankyou.
12/31/2022NancyErrecanerreca@aol.com
PrejudiceThecitycontinuestoprejudicethecommunityagainstgolfcourseevenintheirinvitationtoopenhousesayingitwasĭƚƒƒǒƓźƷǤƭdesiretoexploredifferentusesforgolf
course.Thatcommunitywasthecitycouncilaftertheypaid$20,000forsomeoneinFloridatoassessgolfcourse.ThereportseemstosuggestwewantedPebbleBeach.Wetheactual
communitydonot.Golfersliketheclubhouseandtreesandrocksthereportsuggestedremoving.Thehighcosthadover$50,000fortreeandrockremovalandsuggestedreplacing
entireirrigationsystemandallequipment.Noonewoulddothat.HencethedescriptionͷƩźķźĭǒƌƚǒƭforthereportforbyeveryonewhoknowsanythingaboutthegolfcourse.Pleasedo
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notbeprejudicedbythisreport.Anewoneiscoming.AlsonotethegolfcoursewithgoodmanagementpaysforitselfandpaysrenttothecityandthroughSearch1/3/23,9:56AM
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covidyearslikeeveryoneandeverything.Alsosincethatreportin2019thecityandthetƌğǤĻƩƭClubhavedonealotofworkneeded.Thecitydoesnothavetospendmuchifanything
forthegolfcoursebuttheycouldbespendingagreatdealontheHealthandWellnesscenterandbuildingothersportvenues.Thecityjustauthorized$175,000foracompanytofigure
thethingsyouaskfor?Thegoal
outtheHealthandWellnesscenterbuildingdesignsotheycanhiresomeonetogivecostestimateonbuildingit.Dowereallythinktheywillalsobuildall
oftheHealthandWellnesscenteristogetpeopleoutsideandexercising.Weshouldletthemknowthereisagolfcourseacrossthestreetthatgetspeopleofallagesoutsideexercising
whilegivingthousandsofdollarstocommunity.Itshouldbetheirmascot.wealreadyhavemorehealthandwellnesspractitionerspercapitathanmostplaces.Ifyouwouldlikethecity
toknowyoureallywouldlikethemtofixthestreetsinsteadyoucanemailthecouncilatpubliccomment@cityofpt.us
12/31/2022NilesPowell4meagain99@gmail.cThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
omTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Therearethingsthatacommunityneedsandthingsthatwouldbenicetohave.Weneedcleanwater,sewagetreatment,garbagecollection,decenthousingandinfrastructureThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
maintenance,aswellaspolice,fireandmedicalservices.Itwouldbenicetohaveagolfcourse,aswimmingpool,arockclimbingwallandanynumberofotherthingswecould
collectivelydreamup.OuremergencyfireandmedicalservicesaresorelyunderfundedandweĭğƓƷaffordtopaveorevenadequatelymaintainourstreets.Soweneedtospendour
limitedresourcesonnecessities.Oneoftheneedsthatisrarelyappreciatedistheneedforrelativelywildopenspace.Search1/3/23,9:55AMSubmission#148|CityofPortTownsend
Washingtonhttps://cityofpt.us/node/21717/submission/434442/3Home|Dashboard|Sitemap|Logout|Webmail|Employee|LinkingPolicy|Whetheritisacityparkorjust
182undevelopedland,thesespacesimproveairandwaterquality,nurturewildlifeandenrichourmentalandphysicalhealthinwaysthatarehardtoquantify,butarenevertheless
thoroughlyresearchedandwelldocumented.Everylossofopenspaceisalossinqualityoflife.Sothequestionis,howdowepreservethebenefitsofthegolfcoursepropertywhile
spendingtheleastamountofmoneyonit?Sinceplayinggolfisdiscretionary,andsincearelativelysmallnumberofususethegolfcourseforgolf,andsincehavinggolfballsflyingaround
makesitunsafeforanyonenotplayinggolftousetheproperty,theonlyfairwaytoallowthistocontinueistohavethoseusingthegolfcoursepayeverycentofwhatitcoststoupgrade
andmaintainthatproperty.Sonewinfrastructure,includinganirrigationsystem,aswellasallwatering,mowingandothermaintenanceshouldbedoneattheexpenseofgolfers.Toask
therestofthecitizensofPortTownsendtopayfortheluxuryentertainmentofafewisinequitable.Ifthegolfersareunwillingtodothat,thenthepropertyshouldbeleftasisΑno
development,nomowing,nowatering,nomaintenanceofanykind,exceptkeepingtheperimetervegetationfromencroachingintootherareas,likepublicsidewalksoradjacentprivate
presentmembers
property.Evenifiteventuallybecamea59acreblackberrypatch,itwouldstillbenefitusallinwaysthatarevastlysuperiortoanykindofdevelopment.Thepastand
ofourCityCouncil,ourCityManagersandourlocalbusinesseshavelongpushedtodevelopPortTownsendtosuittheirideasofwhatourtownshouldlooklikeortoincreasethesuccess
oftheirpersonalbusinessinterests,orboth.Justbecauseitwouldbenicetohaveagolfcourseoraswimmingpoolorinfrastructureawaitingnewbusinesses,ķƚĻƭƓƷmeanthatwe
shouldspendourmoneyonthesethings.Itissimplynotfairtotakepublicmoneyawayfromfundingourbasicneedsinordertoindulgetheprivatevisionsofthefew.Wedoalotofthat
anditisaselfishwasteofwhatbelongstousall.TheHowardStreetExtensionandtheCherryStreetApartmentsarejusttwoexamplesofcasesinwhichwesquanderedpublicmoneyfor
apromisedbenefitwhichwasneverrealized.SayingthatbuildinginfrastructureforprivatebusinessisawaytocreateprosperityforPortTownsendisacruelhoax.TheͻƆƚĬƭͼargument
justkeepsrearingitsuglyheadandwekeepfallingforit.Please,getthegolferstopayfortheuseofthisproperty,infull,orclosethegolfcourseandleavethepropertyalone.
1/2/2023MichaelConnormconnor2838@gmail.
ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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1.WatersupplyhasbecomeaconstraintformanygolfcoursesintheWest.IntheSFBayArea,manycoursesarerequiredtouserecycledwater.Giventheproximityofthecity'sPOTW,canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTown
sendGolfCourseand
thatshouldbepartofthefutureplan.ItwouldalsoreducenutrientreleasestoPugetSound,whichisamajorpolicyemphasisofEcologyandalsomaybeasourceoffunding.2.GivenMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(
cityofpt.us).
thesmallamountofthecity'scapitalreserves,reducingthembyspendingamilliondollarswillbeelevatingthisissuetothetopofthecity'sprioritylist.Itwouldbeausefulexercisefor
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
thecommitteetobrainstormfiveothersimilarcapitalneeds
1/3/2023NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comTheDecisionThankyouforyourcomments.Ihaveaddedthemtotherecord.
Peoplethinkthedecisionaboutthegolfcoursehasalreadybeenmade.Theansweris
YesandNo.
TheYespart:First,thecitycategorizedthegolfcourseasaparksoitcouldbeputup
forrepurposingwithMt.Viewcampuswhichithasnothingtodowithotherthanbeing
acrossthestreet.Itwouldbejustassillytoincludeotherbusinessesacrossstreetlike
thechurchwithroomforgamecourtsandColinwoodFarmsforfrisbeegolf.Thereis
noalternatepurposeforthegolfcoursejustasthereisnoalternatepurposeforthe
swimmingpool.
Second,thecitycommissionedareportonthegolfcoursefromsomeoneinFlorida
whichdidnothavemuchrelevanceandeveryonesaidwasridiculous.54pagesfor
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$20,000.Third,thecitycommissioneda658pageProsPlanreport$$$$tostudyparks
andtrailsandwhichdesignatedthecourseaspecialuseparkforonlyonetypeof
recreationnotmultiplethings(oops).Fourth,thecityhiredamanagerandstafftorun
theprojectforthecity$$$$t.Fifth,thecityhiredalandscapearchitectandgolf
consultantfromSeattletoadviseandoverseetheprocess$125,000.Sixth,thecitytold
thepublictheycanhaveanythingtheywantatthegolfcoursewhichmeansitwillno
longerbeagolfcourse.Itseemsthiswaythecitycansayyouthecitizenswantedthe
golfcoursegonenotthem.
TheNopart:youdonotneedtodestroysomethingthatisabeautifulpartofPort
Townsendandonlyopenspacebecausegolfershavetakencareofitfor118years.
Gettingridofitdoesnothavetohappen.YoucansayNo.Keepthegolfcoursethen
kihhlffibl
12/30/2022MelissaForderovertheriver@riseup.ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
netTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
AsayoungerresidentwhoisunabletofindadequateandsafehousingIwouldliketoseethebuildablelandattheMountainViewCommonsGolfCoursetobeusedentirelytocreate
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
affordablehousingforlowandmiddleincomeresidentsofJeffersonCounty
12/28/2022PattySchmuckerpattyschmucker@gmThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
ail.comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
Interestedinsupportingacollaborativeefforttodevelopavisionforthispristinelandandamazingcommunity.
12/28/2022CathyBeattycbeattyoshea@gmail.ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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IjustlistenedtotheDec.20,2022Stakeholdermeetingvideo.IwaspleasedtoseethatForestShomeraskedabouthavingabettersoilmapfortheareaunderconsideration.Iwouldalsoconsideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswe
bpageforotherwaysyou
liketopointoutthatincludingtheClimateChangeCoastalmapswouldbeinformative,asthelowerpartofthegolfcourseproperty,whichisfairlylevel,isnotthatfarabovesealevel.Icanstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionP
ortTownsendGolfCourseand
wouldliketoalsopointoutthatthePortofPThadsomefloodingatthemarinathisweek,soitwouldbeaconcernandshouldgovernanyplansforthelowerpartoftheproperty.TheMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cit
yofpt.us).
lowercornerat19thandSanJuanwasaproducvePPatchgardenareaforthecommunityforanumberofyearsandcouldbeagain.And,ifimpermeablesurfacesareputinforsports
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
courtsorwalkingtrailsoradditionalparking,howwillthataffectthecurrentunimprovedstormdrains?
HiIhopeyouaregoingtohaveaboardforthecurrentgolfcoursewithallthebeautifulphotosBarbsentandthecopyfromBenefitstoCommunitysection.Peoplereallydon'tknowall
1/3/2023NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comThanksforyoursuggestions.Ourconsultantisworkingontheboardsandwill
thegoodthingsjustlikepeopledon'tknowaboutanysporttheydonotparticipatein.Thenneedtoseewhatcouldbedestroyed.representthecurrentgolfcourse.Thanks.
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Thankyoufairnesspolice.
1/3/2023GinnyAdamsgadams@olypen.com
Istartedplayinggolflastyear(atage73)withlessonsfromafriendandhopetocontinuetoplayatthePTGCinthefuture.IcameacrossthisresearchthatIthoughtmaybeofinterestto
youandyourteamandhelpfulinformationforthestakeholdersgroup.It'sastudyconductedbytheUniversityofSouthernCaliforniathatsuggestsfortheagingpopulation"golfisa
comprehensive,multimodal,mindbodyactivitythatimproveshealthandpreservesfunctionalindependence."Hereisthelinktothe
Thanksfortheinformation.Iwillputyourcommentsonourlog,andthe
189study:https://scanmail.trustwave.com/?c=16439&d=tYy049I1tqrxAx5N80vDo1oopPCpjtGbqGmK4DlHg&u=https%3a%2f%2fsites%2eusc%2eedu%2fgolfscience%2f.Isubmittedaletterto
stakeholderscanviewit.Thanksforpassingalongthisresearch.
theLeadereditorbrieflysharingmyexperiencelearningtoplaygolf,beingaprofessionalintheagingfieldformorethan20years,andtheresearchatUSC.Iwroteintheletterthatwe
liveinaCitywherethereare36.6%ofresidents65&olderandgolfisoneformofexercisethatolderadultscancontinuetoplayorbegin.NotsureiftheletterwillbeintheLeaderor
not.Canyouletmeknowtheprotocolforsharingthisresearchwiththestakeholdersgroup?Thanksforyourtime!
1/4/2023LaurieStewartstewarts@cablespeed
190.comThegolfcourseisoneoftheoldestinWashingtonstate,Golfershaveplayedthereformorethanahundredyears.WhyisitlessworthyofvenerationandpreservationthanCityHall?It
shouldbeontheregistryofhistoricplaces.Promotionofthegolfcoursecouldandshouldemphasizeitshistoricnature.
1/4/2023LaurieSTewartstewarts@cablespeed
Aneffortshouldbeundertakentomakethemaintenanceofthegolfcourseenvironmentallybenign.Anyuseofpesticidesandherbicidesshouldbeminimizedatleast,withzerousethe
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ultimategoal.Eliminationofpoisonhemlock,scotchbroom,andotherinvasivespeciesshouldbepursued.Envisionlocal,regional,andwiderpromotionofthegolfcourseas
environmentallyconscious,historic,beautifullymaintained,welcomingandfriendly.
1/4/2023LaurieStewartstewarts@cablespeedYouandme,thecitizensandtaxpayersofPortTownsend,paidoutoftown"experts"forThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
.comanassessmentofthegolfcourse.TheycamebackwithanestimatearoundamillionTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
buckstomakethecourseviable.ThatestimatehasbeenusedtodiscouragecontractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
considerationforkeepingthecourseopenandoperating.inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
LocalgolfersI'vetalkedwithdisputetheestimate,believingitwasbasedonalevelofViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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upgradesthattheydon'tseeasrequired,eveninsomeregardsdesirable.consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
Anexample:irrigationofthefairways,byfarthebulkofthetotalareaofthecourse,isn'tcanstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
seenasapriority.ThegreensaretheonlyareasonthecoursethatreallyrequireregularMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
irrigation.LocalgolfersareaccustomedtofairwaysdryingoutandbrowningintheThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
summer,andhavenoproblemwithit.
1/4/2023NanTobyTyrellnantoby11@gmail.coThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.We
mhaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisit
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canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
IknowthatmygrandsonandsonwouldlovetocomehereandplaygolfandIcouldwalkalongorevenplaytoo!Ibelievethatourgolfcourseisabeautiful,specialplaceforpeopleofALL
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
agestoenjoybeingoutside,havingfunandgettingsomeexerciseinasafeplace.Ihopethatthegolfcoursewillremainforlocalstoenjoy.AsIageIrealizethatbeingoutsidedoingThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
somethingfunisessentialforthriving.Thankyou
1/5/2023JudyLahorejclahore@gmail.comCouncilThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
194PLEASEsavethegolfcourseandrebuildthepoolontheoldsite!!!Wedon'tneedmoredubiousandexpensiveprojectsthatdon'tgetcompleted.Fixthepotholesinstead!
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
1/5/2023CarlaBaptistawanvguitargirl@yahoCouncilThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
o.comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
IsecondNancyErreca'ssentimentsinthe PTLeader regardingthePTGolfCourse.Italreadyexistsasanoutdoor/exerciseopportunityforanyonewhowishes.Anysmall
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
195improvements/maintenanceexpenseshavetobeamerefractionofwhatevencommissioningadevelopmentplanwouldbethosefundscansurelybeputtouseinsomanywaysto
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
improveandbetterthecommunity.Letsleepingdogslie.
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
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comments
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1/6/2023DiannaDennybobanddianna@gmailemailThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
.comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
I have been a resident of Port Townsend since the 70's. Things for the most part always "used"to run along smoothly and with the support of those that
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
lived here. Since the large influx of peoplewho have moved here along with that expansion has come decision making by City (our employees and without
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
us they would not have jobs) that seems focussed on more expansion and to things unnecessary instead of maintenance to what already exists. Stop
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
making decisions for us and spending our money and instead listen to what the masses are saying. Repair the streets/roads come on they are at this
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
point dangerous. I would like all of you to drive to the entrance to Port Townsend sign at the stop light/Mill Rd and turn right then attempt to turn left to canstayinvolvedintheconversation:Envision
PortTownsendGolfCourseand
196MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
head south on Discovery Bay Rd. The intersection which is now very busy looks like a minefield and desperately needs to be repaired. Those of us who
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
have to use this intersection regularly are tearing up our tires and suspension. That $175,000 just spent for a company to figure out the health and
wellness center building design is a reckless way to spend "our" money when the concept is just another luxury item instead of the money being spent to
support the viability of our town and fix what is already here. Do whatever it takes to fix the pool, it's location is just fine...and leave the Golf Course alone
the more you seem to endeavor changing the less charm you came here because of will disappear and then it will just look like any other generic town. I
loved the Opinion in the Leader this week by Nancy Erreca, it was very well written and my exact sentiments.
1/6/2023RoarkeJenningsroarke.jennings@gmaemailThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
il.com
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
Ihopethisisnottoomuchbutwantedtoresubmitmyplanfromacoupleyearsago;)Init,Ihopetoretainasmuchopenspaceaspossible,appeasevestedinterestsandplanforthe
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
future.Theimageattachedgoeswith"SectionA"andthenumbersintheemailcorrespondtothedrawingsonthepaper.IknowyoumustbegettingALOToffeedbacksowantedto
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
makethisasquicklyreadableaspossible.Thereforemythoughtsareinbulletpoints:A.Environment:1.HabitatConnectivity:Naturalhabitatiscrucialforthesuccessofourbiodiversity
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
andfunctioningecosystem.a.Itwouldrepresentamajorstatementthatourcoinhabitantsareimportanttoo;thishelpsshiftpeoplesviewfrombeinganthropocentrictobiocentric.b.
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Increasesbirdingopportunities.c.Mayhelpmitigatefloodingofcertainareasifdonewell.d.Partners:LandTrust,AudubonSociety,DepartmentofEcology,etc.2.Golf:apleasant
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pastime:a.Thisplanmaintains5holesforcommunitygolferstocontinuetoenjoyalbeitonasmallerscale.3.Minigolfa.Tohonorthehistoryofthepropertyandprovideopportunities
foryoungfamilies.4.FoodForest:Perennialgardenofedibleandmedicinalplants.a.Thissectionworkswithsection5tobolsterourlocalfoodresiliency.b.Partners:FriendsoftheTrees,
DirtRichSchool,TheFoodBank5.StapleCrop:Nurturedbyourland,notfossilfueldeliveredfoodstuff.a.Communityvotesonstaplecropofchoiceincludingbutnotlimitedto:grain,
legumes,dairy,animalhusbandry,etc.b.Partners:TheFoodBank,experiencedlocalfarmers,EatLocalFirst6.Housing:Muchneededandincreasinglysoduetoclimaterefugees.a.
Modularexpandablehousingforpeopleinneedandwillingtoengageinthestewardshipoftheland.https://www.urbanrigger.com/viewurbanrigger.b.Tenants(newand/orstruggling
197citizensofPortTownsend)areexpectedtoengageinthedutiesmaintainingthepropertyandrecreationaloperations.7.MountainBiking:Goodadrenalineforyoungadults.a.Consistof
aseriesof3or4trails.b.Provideadditionaltreecoverandthusmorenaturalhabitat.c.Partners:Bikeshops,YMCA8.CommunityCentera.DustyGreenCaféi.Maintaincurrentvendor,
andorsupporthighqualitycafe.ii.Installanaquaponicssystemtoprovidemixedgreenstomitigateimports.b.RetrofitoneofthebuildingsintoaRollerRinki.Anotheropportunityfor
youngfamiliesandcommunitymemberstogettogethertoskateanddance.9.PublicParkSpaceandTrails:a.Providealargeparkspaceforpeopletogatherandplayinthecenterof
town.b.Includesasmallparkingareawithbusstop,bikeracksandacoupleofhandicapparkingspots.B.Economics:1.Revenuethroughservicesandproductsa.Golf,minigolf,
mountainbiking,rollerrink,andcafewouldalloperateasbusinesses.i.Thisisalsoagoodopportunitytopeopletostartnovelventuresthataddresscommunityneedsb.Whetherthe
foodfromthelandissoldtolocalresidentsandinstitutionsorbroughttothefoodbank,itwouldprovetobeasignificantassettothecommunity.i.And2.Grantsb.Byworkingwithnon
profitstakeholders,certaingrantscanbemadeavailable.3.Donationsc.Iftrulyinspiring,affluentcommunitymemberswillbeexcitedtosupporttheendeavor.4.Providingsubsidized
housingtopeopleinexchangeforimportantworkinearthstewardship.5.Mitigatingandadaptingtoclimatechangea.Climatechangewillhavemanyunforeseenchallengesandcosts.
Themorewecandotomitigateourpollutionandadapttochangingconditions,themoremoneywewillsave.Ihopethissparksdreamsofourpotentialtocreatesystemicsolutions.In
thistimeofgreatchange,Iwishyouallluckindeliberatingthenextphaseofthiscentralfeatureinourevolvingcity/county.
1/8/2023StevenYanoffsyanof@yahoo.comCouncilThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
Hello,Ipreviouslycommentedonthefutureofthegolfcoursebutmythoughtshaveevolvedsothisisanupdate.IamsendingthistocityofficialsandEngagePortTownsend.Istrongly
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
believethatcityparksshouldbeaccessibleyethavearoleinmaintainingopenspaceandnaturalhabitat.Theyalsoofferaneducationalopportunitytoemphasizethevaluesofopen
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
spaceandnaturalhabitat.Myhopeisthatthegolfcoursebecomesamoreaccessible,morenatural,openlandscape,withnativeplantcommunities,andthatthereisnohardsurfaceor
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
otherharddevelopment.ItshistoryaspartofthelowlandbetweenTownsendBayandNorthBeachwithintermittentwetlands,anditsusebyindigenouspeoples,shouldbedeliberately
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
includedthroughsignageandlandscapeplans.Thegolfcourseisbeneficialasdefactoopenspaceandarecreationalopportunity,butforalimitedpopulation.Itisahighlymodified
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
unnaturallandscapewherenonnativeplantslikeHimalayanblackberry,EnglishhollyandEnglishlaurelarenowcommon,treesincludingnativeDouglasfirandnonnativeLombardy
poplarformartificialrows,andintensivemaintenanceandresourceinputslikeirrigationarerequired.Instead,Ihopetoseenativeplantcommunitiesinanaturallandscape,managedas
habitatforbirdsandotherwildlifeasappropriate,completelyorlargelyreplacethegolfcourse.KahTaiPrairieandthewetlandmustbepreservedandshouldbeexpanded.Lowimpact
198walkingtrailsshouldbecreatedtowelcomeandincreaseaccessbythegreatercommunitybeyondgolfers.Iftheareabecomesamixedusepark,includingsomeformofgolf,thoseuses
shouldoccuronaminorityportionofthecurrentgolfcourseareaandshouldhavelimitedimpactonthemajorityportionnaturallandscapeandtheenvironment.Increasedaccessand
mixeduseareplausiblebutshouldcomplementthenaturallandscapeandnotcomeatitsexpense.Ifsomeformofgolfisincluded,andIrecognizethegolfcourseisimportanttosome,
asolutionshouldbeachievable.For
advocatesareencouragedtoreachouttothepublicwithideasandbeopentocompromise.Theeconomicsarechallengingbutwithcreativity
backgroundIlivewithmyfamilyincludingour6thgradechild,threeblocksfromthegolfcourse.Thegolfcourseisbetweenhomeandmydaughter'sschoolis,butthegolfcoursehas
neverwelcomedthoseofuswhoarenongolfers,neitheritsinfrastructure,signageorstaff.Somydaughterhasavoideditwhenwalkingtoandfromschoolandseesitasunwelcoming
space.Overthistime,onaverage,Ihaveobservedlowuseofthecoursebygolfers.Thisisanopportunitytoincreaseaccesstoallcitizensandperhapsaccommodatelimitedrecreational
use,includingsomeformofgolf,yetmaintainthebulkoftheareaasnaturallandscape.MythoughtsaboutMountainViewCommonsarelessclear.GenerallyIcouldseeitasaspacefor
moreimpactfuldevelopmentlikethedogpark,pickleballcourts,aquaticcenter,affordablehousingetc.
1/6/2023StuWrightstu.wright5@gmail.cocouncilThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
mTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
Asaresidentinuptownthatpayssignificanttaxes,Iamalarmedtohearthecitywishestorepurposethegolfcourse.Ihopethisdoesnothappen.Ialsoknowasacivilengineerhow
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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muchworkthestreetsneedhere.Thatwouldbeamuchbetteruseoffunds.consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
1/6/2023TimWhytetwhyte007@gmail.cocouncilThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
mTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
IagreewithNancyErrecaintheopinionsectionoftheleaderfromJanuary4th.Let'shighlightthevalueofthegolfcoursetothecommunityforhealthandwellnessandspendsomeViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningproc
essfor
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moneyfixingthestreets.Wemightalsothinkaboutreducingtheherdofthedeerthathasgrowntobehuge.IthasbecomedangeroustodriveyourvehiclearoundPortTownsend.consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforo
therwaysyou
GolfCourseand
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsend
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
councilThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
1/7/2023DanOwendanowen@outlook.co
mTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
Whycontinuetospendlimitedresourcesonplans/ideastorepurposetheGolfCoursewhileourstreetsareindireneedofrepaving.IagreewithNancyErreca's
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
1/4/2023letterintheLeader.IchallengetheCityLeaderstoaskthetaxpayerswhereourlimitedmoniesshouldbespent.Itwillbeinterestingtoseewhoshowsupfor
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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th
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
theJan11repurposingmeetingatFortWarden.IsuspectthemajorityofattendeeswillbesupportersforkeepingtheGolfCourse.Lifeisfullofchoices.Irespectfully
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
requestyoureconsiderthisexpensiveand,inmyopinion,illadvisedchoice/ideatorepurposeourGolfCourseandspendthoselimiteddollarsonrepaving.
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
1/7/2023CarolOdellcarolodell3855@gmailcouncilThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
.comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andwe
are
AlthoughIamnotagolferIamopposedtousingthepropertyforaglorifiedhealthcenter.WemovedtoPT26yearsagoinsearchofanopencommunitywithhikingtrails,beachesandinthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCour
seandMountain
openspace.Usingthisopenspaceiscounterproductive.Asataxpayermyrequestisthiscitystopspendingourmoneyonconsultantsfromoutofstateandfixourroads.IliveonViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningproces
sfor
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MorganHillandourroadsarefullofspinejarringholes.Homelessness,hightaxesforcingSeniorCitizenstoleavetheirhomesandtheconditionsofourroadsshouldbethecitiesconsideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpa
geforotherwaysyou
prioritiesnotfancyhealthclubsthemajorityofuscannotafford.canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourse
and
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
1/8/2023NancyErrecanerreca@aol.com
council
Itseemsthestakeholderprocessisincrediblyflawed.Thecityledeveryonetobelievepeoplecouldhavewhatevertheywantedsoallthestakeholdersheararedreamsofincredible
sportingvenuesthatwouldeliminatethegolfcourse.Stakeholdersdonotgetanyeducation.Whyaretheynotaskingquestionsaboutthegolfcourse?Whyaretheynotbeingeducated
andtoldthehistory,thevalue,thecommunitybenefits,beeneducatedoneverythingonsaveptgolf.com?Sonowtheyaresupposedtobedecidingthingsandtheyhavenoideaabout
203anythingthatgoesonatthegolfcourse.Whyhavetheynothadmeetingsattheclubhousewithgolfersandlearnedwhathappensduringtournamentsthatgivethousandsofdollarsto
Thanksforyourcomments.Ijusthaveapointofclarification;thestakeholders
thecommunityorlistenedtogolferstellhowmuchtheylovethecourseandhowmuchtheirfamilieslovetoplaygolf.Ithinkitisbecausethecitydoesnotwantthemtorealizewhat
willnotbemakinganydecisions.Theyarechargedwithlisteningtothe
couldbelost.Apresentationshouldhavebeenmadetothemearlyonsotheydonotspendmonthsinthedark.Stakeholderspleasetakeasmuchtimetolookatwhatcouldbe
destroyedasyoutakelookingatallthedreamsofwhatpeoplewant.communityandhelpingtomakesuretheinformationthateventuallygoesto
CityCouncilwillbeaccurateandinformative.Thanks.
1/9/2023LizBermanlizberman@olympus.emailThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
netTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
Iwanttomakemystrongopinionknownthatthegolfcoursepropertyneedstoremainopenspace/recreationforthepublic.Onceopenspaceisgone,it'sgoneforever,andthereareso
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
204manyrecreationalusesthatarepossibleandthatwouldmakemoney.Alsotherearemanyvolunteersavailabletohelpwiththisproperty.PreservationAllianceisrighttherewithlotsof
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
housingthatwillbeprovided.Inanycase,thereshouldbenohousingonthegolfcourseproperty,andIamaproponentforhousing,bigtime.Justnotthere.
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
1/5/2023JuliaCochranewillowtree@olypen.cEngageThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
PTTownsend
omGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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IseetheGolfCourseasPortTownsend'sCentralPark.Myvisionisthatmostlythisstaysanopenspaceforvariouscommunityuses.Possiblysomeaffordablehousingwherethehousesconsideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebp
ageforotherwaysyou
currentlyexist.AndthattheindigenouspartssuchastheCamasPrairieareturnedovertotheS'Klallampeopletoownandmaintain.Ialsohopethatthedensityofalllandsacrossthe
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
streetfromitisupgradedtoincludeupto8unitapartmentbuildings,townhouses,etc.ThatlikeCentralParkitisanopenspaceforpublicusesurroundedbydensedevelopmentand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
familyhousing.IwouldalsolovetoseethereturnoftheCommunityPeaPatchatthecornerofSanJuanand19thStreet.IdonotsupportcontinuingagolfcoursewhichallowsveryThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
limitedpublicuse.
EngageyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
1/5/2023JoniBlanchardjonijobone@hotmail.cThank
omPTTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons,andthepool.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanning
Seemsthe'wellnessfacility'and'whattodowiththegolfcourseproperty'aretwoseparaterealbigissuesthatarebeingdealtwithsimultaneously,but,barelyinthesamebreathfrom
processforconsideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforother
whatI'vereadfromtheStakeholdermeetingsabouttheGolfCourse.Yet,I'vealsoreadthattheGolfCourseisinthetoprunningforthisfacility.That'dbeashametobuilditontheGolfwaysyoucanstayinvolvedintheconversation:Envi
sionPortTownsendGolf
Course.Wehaveaplaceforthepoolrebuilditwhereit'sat!There'sevenagymanddressingroomsinthatbuildingalready!Seemsthemost'efficient'waytogo.WehavesomanyCourseandMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashin
gton
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athleticclubsforworkoutroomsnottomentionyoga,pilates,andfitnessclassesgalore!Ourtownhasampleopportunitiesforhealthyphysicalactivitiesalready.I'mconfusedabout
(cityofpt.us).Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
theneedforamilliondollar(orwaymore)'allunderoneroof'facility.WouldthenearmilliondollarstheCityisgettingfortheOpioidSettlementbeusedforthewellnessfacility?Seems
upnearthefirstSearch1/9/23,6:16PMSubmission#155|CityofPortTownsendWashingtonhttps://cityofpt.us/node/21717/submission/434912/2250MadisonStreetPortTownsend
WA98368Phone(360)3853000Home|Dashboard|Sitemap|Logout|Webmail|Employee|LinkingPolicy|trafficcirclewouldbeabetterlocationfora'wellnesscenter'ifawhole
newfacilitymustbebuilt.Sinceyourreportindicatesourtowniscomprisedofalowmedianincomedemographic,Iwouldhopeanyfacilitybuiltwouldbefreeorlowcastforthe
communitytouse.Ourhomelessandpovertyfamiliesaretheoneswhocoulduseafacilityfullofhealthpromotingactivitiesthemost!And...that'salongthelinesofwhatthisOpioid
Settlement$$shouldbeusedfor!Keepthegolfcourseandthelovelynativeprairielandthatthecommunitymembershavebeenenjoyingforyears.UpgradingthegolfcoursetoFlorida
standardsseemsabitlavishandunnecessary.Ifthegolfcoursebecomesadesignated'park'userecreationalgrant$$toupgradethegolfcourse.KeepyourgiftfromtheWelchfamily
1/7/2023TomCadetcade@wagolf.orgThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
IusedtolivenearPortTownsend,andwouldoftenplaythePTGC.IstillreturntoPortTownsendwithmywifeseveraltimesayear,andwestayinourfavoritehotelindowntownandMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cit
yofpt.us).
playthePTGC.Iworkinthegolfindustry,andamveryfamiliarwiththestatisticsthatshowthevalueagolfcoursecreatesforanycommunityfromaneconomicandcommunalThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
standpoint,andforthevaluesitbringsandinstillsinyoungpeople.
1/8/2023NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comEngagePickleballplayers,Dogparkusers,Swimmers,Sportsplayers.ImagineifthecityIhavereceivedyourcommentsandhaveaddedthemtothelog.
PTdecidedtorepurposeyourareabecauseitwasnolongerimportanttothemorthey
neededitforareasontheyǞƚƓƷdivulge.Wellnowyoucanimaginehowthegolfers
208feel.TherearelotsofspacesinPTforallsportsplayerswithouthavingtodestroyone
sportsarea.Checkoutthecountyfairgroundswheregreatthingsarehappening.Please
supportthegolfersandworkwiththemforalternateuses.Thiscouldhappentoyour
space.
1/8/2023NancyErrecanerreca@aol.comEngageIhavereceivedyourcommentsandhaveaddedthemtothelog.
Citycouncil,citymanager,stakeholdershaveyoualldoneyourduediligencewhichyoupledgedtodoandlookedatsaveptgolf.comwebsitetoseethevalueofthecourseandhow
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muchitbenefitsthecommunity?Ifyouhaven'tthenyouarenotdoingthejobcitizenstrustyoutodo.Youneedtounderstandwhatcouldbedestroyed.Thankyou.
1/9/2023EricDingeldeinedingeldein@gmail.coThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
Engage
mPTTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
Ireallythinkthegolfcourseareashouldbeusedforotherpurposes.Itiscurrentlynotaccessibleopenspaceforpublicuse(unlessyouenjoythepotentialgolfballs).ItisNOTwildlifecanstayinvolvedintheconversation:Envision
PortTownsendGolfCourseand
habitat.Ituseslotsofwater,fossilfuels,andlikelylandscapechemicals.Iknowthereisanewwell(nonpotable)forlandscapeuse,butit'sstillwater(andelectrictytopumpit).IwouldMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsend
Washington(cityofpt.us).
liketoseetheprairieareaexpandedsomewhat.Somewellplannedhousingwithgreenbeltscouldbeasuitableuseforsomeofthearea.AndtheconceptofbestuseshouldincludeThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
fallowareas.
1/9/2023MonteReinderssalmont.pt@gmail.coEngageIcommendtheCityfortakingonthischallengingcommunityconversation.It'snotThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
mPTeasy.Sogoodjob.TownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
I'mputtinginavotetokeepitagolfcourse.
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
ThegolfcourseispartofPortTownsend'scharacter.It'sagreatplacetoski,visittheinthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
nativeprairie,walkthrough,orjustenjoylookingat.It'slikelynomoreexpensivetoViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
maintain(atabasiclevel)thananaquaticcenterwhichalsowillbeunabletopayforconsideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
itself(seeSARCfortheexample)andcouldbeaccommodatedontheMountainView
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
campusanyway.Iftheissueswiththegolfcoursearereallyaboutcost,thenshouldweMountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
beproposingreplacementfacilitiesthatcostevenmorewhenourCitystreetsareThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
fallingapart?IwouldliketoseesomeofPortTownsend'sold,funkycharacter
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preservedandIwouldcharacterizea9holegolfcourseinthemiddleoftownaspartof
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thatcharacter(Idon'tevenplaygolf).JusthowIfeel,butIcouldbeopentodifferent
viewpointswithadditionalinformation.TheconditionoftheCitystreetsneedstobe
partoftheconversationthoughwhenwearetalkingaboutwheretospendmoney.This
issuecan'tbecompartmentalizedandputonthebackburner.Mystreetisadisaster,
butmyrealconcernisforthemainstreetslikeLawrence,etc.
1/9/2023ReginaGinandale@gmail.coHiRegina:Thereisasurveythatwillberolledouttomorrownightattheopen
house.Ifyouareunabletoattendtheopenhouse,wewillpostitonour
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Isthereasurveyforthegolfcourse?
websiteuntilnextFriday,sopleaselogontotakeit.Thanks.
1/10/2023NancyErrecanerreca@aol.com
Hi - I just wanted to add a couple of things. I wonder if they are told they would have to listen to people's comments? Were they told to read comment log? After 4 months they have not
heard any in person comments themselves only what you report. It will be about 4 months tomorrow when they actually hear from golfers. They may not even remember that keeping golf
course is an option as now the ideas of not keeping it are ingrained. Great strategy I will give you that. There really is only one person who asks questions and they all seem timid
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hesitant to even make comments. They had to be asked to come to open house where they could actually hear comments and were warned that they might have to endure avid golfers
Thanksforyourcomment.TherewillbeseveralCouncilmembersatthe
say how much they want to keep the golf course. And finally you had to be asked to put up a board showing the golf course now and its value to the community. If keeping golf course
meeting,ifthatiswhoyouarereferringƷƚͶŷĻfullCouncilalsoreceivedalink
was really an option that board should have been obvious. Anyway that is how the other side sees it not just me. I do appreciate you doing the board and listening. Thank you.
tothecommentlogthatisupdateddaily.Theyhavebeenkeptintheloop.
1/9/2023KelseyCaudebeccaukel24@gmail.comEngageThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
PTTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
Iunderstandthereistremendousfervorandtensionaroundthegolfcourse,asindicatedfrompubliccommentshereandelsewhere.HavinggrownupinPortTownsend,Igetthatit's
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
beenpartofthelocallandscapeforgenerations,andIofcourseappreciatetheviewofthelovelygreenspacelinedwithpoplars.Iunderstandthatthisspaceisverydeartoapercentage
consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
ofourcommunity.However,asweenvisionhowelsethespacecouldbeused,Iurgeourcommunitytohaveopenminds,earsandhearts.Asformyself,Icannotsupportdumpingthe
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
milliondollarsofcitymoneythatitwouldtaketobringthegolfcourseuptospeed(forthoseconcernedaboutpotholesIwonderhowmanycouldbefilledwithamilliondollars?).And
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
regardingthepleato"saveourgreenspace,"Iwouldofferthatitcouldpotentiallycontinuetobeanothergreenspaceopentothepublic(perhapsonewhereyoudon'thavetoworry
Thanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
aboutgettingconcussedbyagolfballwhileattemptingaleisurelywalk).Lookingformoreinformationtoinformmyopinion,acouplemonthsagoIreachedouttothegolfcoursetoask
howmanypeoplefromPTutilizeit.ThepersonIcorrespondedwithwasnotabletogivemeanumber,buttheyemphasizedthatmanypeoplewhodon'tliveinPTusethegolfcourse
ofourcommunitymembers,thenIdon'twanttouristrecreationtobeapartofthe
too.Personally,ifitturnsoutthatthereareusesforthatspacethatbettermeettheneedsofmore
214equation.Whateverdecisionismade,itwilldisappointsomeportionofpeople.Iunderstandthattoapassionatepercentageofourcommunity,thegolfcourseisveryimportant.Ialso
understandthatwhensomanythingsarechangingaroundus,wewantthecomfortoffeelingthatwecancountonsomethingsstayingthesame.Butwhatifutilizingthatlargespacein
adifferentway,benefitsevenmorecommunitymembers?Becausechangeishappening,whetherwelikeitornot.Thegolfcoursehasbeenthereforacentury,whiletheworldoutside
ithaschanged.WenowhaveanincreasingneedformedicalservicesinPortTownsend,aswellasaseverelackofhousingthataffectsallsectorsoftheeconomy(includingourhospital,
EMS,serviceindustry,construction,andmaritime).So,whatifwecandirectlyorindirectlymitigatethoserecentchangesthroughusingthegolfcoursedifferently?Imyselfhavenotyet
formedanopinionyetIamcurioustoseewhattheplanningteamhasbeenformulating.Iwanttohearalltheoptions.Iaskthatwealloweveryone'svoicestobeheardandgivespace
forallkindsofproposals.Ifafterweighingalltheoptions,aninformedmajoritytrulythinksthegolfcourseshouldstay,sobeit.Iwillcontinuetobeopentothatidea,aswell.ButIurge
fellowcommunitymemberstoopenourminds
anddotheworktoassessotherpossibilitiesthanthestatusquo.Let'sgiveotherideasachanceandtakethetimeandefforttostay
informedabouttheprocess.Fiveyearsfromnowyoumightbethankingyourselffordoingso.
Phonecall
1/9/2023HenryAmickThanksforyoucomments.
The golf course will not pencil out unless it is expanded to 18 holes. Put the pool/Rec Center up by JHC, close Blaine street, remove the old building at Mountain View and expand the
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couse to 18 holes. Charge out of town people market rate, and in town residents the reduced rate. Have free family nights. Keep the native prairie.
communitydiscussionaboutthePort
1/9/2023danielmcenerneyhellodanny@outlook.Thankyousomuchforyourinputforthis
comTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstayinvolvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
I100%supportthehealth/poolcomplexandwhileIcouldseesometownhomesonthegolfcourse,I'dmuchratherseeitasalargemultiuseparkandwouldenvisionmountainviewtoThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
beconnectedtoitbyanicebridge.
1/10/2023SusanC.Walkerwildsage@olypen.coEngageThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
mPTTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolf
CoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
inthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolfCourseandMountain
ViewCommons.Wewilladdyourcommentstotheplanningprocessfor
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consideration.Inthemeantime,pleasevisitthiswebpageforotherwaysyou
canstay
involvedintheconversation:EnvisionPortTownsendGolfCourseand
Pleasedonotdevelopthegolfcourse!Asalongtimeresident,itisthoseopenspacesthataidourqualityoflifeandcommunityvision.Idonotgolfanddonotcareatallifthegolf
MountainViewCommons|CityofPortTownsendWashington(cityofpt.us).
coursewouldshutdown.However,ititweretobe
"reimagined",thencommunityoutdoortrails,gardens,culturalsigns,gathering/teachingspacesandoutdoorrecreationwouldThanksagainfortakingthetimetosendyourcomments.
benefitallnotjustafewgolfers.
1/10/2023DanielleFodotdaniellefodor@gmail.ThankyousomuchforyourinputforthiscommunitydiscussionaboutthePort
Engage
comPTTownsendGolfCourseandMountainViewCommons.Wehaveanoperational
contractfortheGolfCoursethatiseffectivethroughDecember2023andweare
I'mwritingtoexpresssupportforthecontinuedpreservationandstewardshipKaiTai(qatáy)camasprairiebytheNativePlantSocietyandJamestownS'Klallum.TheCamasPrairieinthemidstofplanningforthefuture,bothfortheGolf
CourseandMountain
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25-OctComment CardWhat do we need vs want? Who are we serving? And Why Them? Come with an open mind at a relaxed pace. Allow ideas to percolate. This community does
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things like Quimper Mercatile +LION
25-OctComment CardCommunity Use - How many people use facilities 2. Long Term Planning Focus Groups
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3. Economic Impact to Community
25-OctComment CardKeep the Golf Coruse + swimmming pool. Find vendors that can kep the Attach a budget. Determine just how many citizens feel a need to reconfigure rather than
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pool open. Golf Course vendor who will improve the course. Find a way maintain. Make a list of priority needs. Road work, developmetment, etc.
25-OctComment CardCurrent and future resilience. Equity. Economic Benefit.Invite younger voices by going to them. Host events at pubs. Reach out to farms that
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employ young farmers. Farmers Market.
25-OctComment CardImportant to have representatives from the major users represented on None
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the project
25-OctComment CardMaintain green space + provide for floodplain between kahtai and This space can support both green space, parks and cluster development of multi family
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chinese gardens. Provide land to facilitate workforce housing. Plan for housing and duplex/triplexes. Don't lose this opportunity to infill and use our existin
25-OctComment CardExisting natural areas should continue to be conserved and include Invite citizens and visitors to experience the golf course by having at lease 1 day a week
buffer zones to reduce impacts to those ares specifically wetlands - kah where we can walk through to see what the place is like. We currently are not welcome
tai. Remainder of golf course acreage to be available to all citizens for there unelss we are golfing.
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'soft recreation' ie walking, running skiing. Prairie could be expanded -
this area was probably mostly camas prairie prior to european invasion.
Could retain golf course for certain days/hours/seasons and open for
25-OctComment CardKeep open space. The golf course area seem an ideal and valuable open Build a media campaign with an easy web interface and advertisement in PT Labor and
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space that is central to the community. A renovated pool and PDN.
25-OctComment CardUpgrade community pool. Maintain golf course and range with modest Townhall/Community Meetings w/ panel presentation by members of various parties
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improvements. Defer to preference of police department and ymca for affected by this plan. Must provide time for questions and answers.
25-Octcarolineteal@gmail.comComment CardNoneI'd like to be involved in efforts re: pool complex
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25-OctComment CardAffordabe housing is not in the stated goal. That's a big omission and Lots of opporutnity for public comment, charrettes where people can 'play around' with
11the #1 need in the area. Not the whole tract just some. Open space and different designs. Who are stakeholders and how were they chosen. What power do they
access for the public, kept mostly green (ie not soccer). I'd vote for chip have?
25-OctComment CardCommunity aquatic resource for lessons, classes and PT Water safety. Take it to them - school, campus, rotary, for warden event gathering. Add on to regular
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Add on affordable local housing options for benefit and funding. Green group meetings. Vary location. Next door, facebook, online and PT leader. Club newsletters.
25-OctComment CardMaking sure we have an open, reliable swimming pool, (existing as well Do what we can to make whats here to work (especially the swimming pool site). So we see
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as ahead). A lot more commun use or the space here with more variety some hope action and encourage involement/interest. I'm 75 years old and need to be able
25-OctComment CardOpen Space for multi use. New Pool. New buildings for community You are doing it the right way.
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services.
25-OctComment CardRetain the golf course. Activities for youth. Pickleball courts (covered)None
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25-OctComment CardSure would like more parking at the pool We have people who are aging walkers if they
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have room
25-OctComment CardPreservation of green or open space without golf - that use is a waste of You're doing it all now. Keep it up.
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a valuable community resource. Higher density residential aroudn the
25-OctComment CardProvide a publically accessible outdoor space, for all residents, not just Sponcer more open forums, which are publicized by KPTZ, OPN, Leader.
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golfers. Provide a variety of spaces for play, meetings (like WPA
25-OctComment CardMove dog parking, parking to the other end of the park, sheltersNone
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360.379.8804
25-OctAnne ClarkComment CardA large building could be built for emergency fstorage as a center if a None
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tsunami takes out houses. There may be fenderal funding for something
25-OctComment CardNoneI have heard that the golfing community feel that this study the city paid for looked at our
golf course with the eyes of people unlike us in PT, that keeping a golf course wouldn't
21require the expense the study indicated, also these golfers are willing to share the spaces
with the rest of us. THis green open space is a valuable assest to the community and ways
to share it on both a park and a golf course should be explored. The cost of any option is
25-OctComment CardSeems like cost is always the primary driver, isn't it? I'd like to have cost Can we construct paths for walking, cycling (not pavement please) to broaden community
reflect a whole approach (loss of habitat not just $/cents. Maintain use, not just for golfers. How about 2-3 days/ week for golfers 3-4 days for
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open space for flora/fauna. Accessible to greater percentage of wanderers/walker/bikes. Leave critical habitat areas for flora/fauna. Do not bring paths to
community members for instance. I'd love to walk in the golf course these areas as it creates stress/disturbance. perhaps paths can be designed farther from
when golfers aren't present. any critical habitat areas. I feel like food bank/ymca/dogpark/cop shop/in the clustered
25-OctComment CardEquity, Accessibility for general public, generous preservation of natural Public meetings with written comments available. Online surveys/input advertised in the
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(native plants) spacesleader, etc.
25-OctComment CardMaintain golf course and its open space. Provide more funding to keep The community - as as this meeting and such as halloween treasure hunt. East egg hunt,
24it beautiful and safe. Hire and monitor competient management of the christmas tree lighting, santa photo op, summer. Camps for kids. Advertise the golf course
facility. The equipment is old and in ill repair. to tourists in the PT Chamber of Commerce materials (there is currently no mention of this
25-OctLinda DealComment CardPT City Council has not promited this golf course and there is no Open forums like this. Small groups that are interested in various parts of the cause or
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mention in the publications. The city owns the course and this is a commons
25-OctDan Deal (sp?)Comment CardPublic needs to understand cost. Golf course should be advertised as Small group meetings - adverise its ideas.
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part of the city of PT. Great golf course for the blue collar worker.
25-OctComment CardKeep the open space and golf course. Community input from a variety At a minimum the city council and chamber of commerce needs to advertise and promote
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of sources. Cost - based on a reasonable design - not something the golf course. It is shameful how very little the city has done to recognize the course an
designed for palm springs.enhancement to the community. If the agenda is to encourage health and well being then
25-OctComment CardPublic access such as walking trails, a pool/community center, programs None.
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that reach a larger percentage of PT than golf.
360.316.9127
25-OctJoe FinnComment CardMaintain as a public golf course. Maintain as open space. Review costs Stakeholder process can be helpful if representatives participation is accomplished.
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and budgets of all options and put to a public vote.and open for discussion that current budget for golf course operations. It may be the best
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status to maintain with creative input. I grow up working on a priveately owned 9 hole
public golf course in ohio. I know maintenance and operations. I know management of
360.385.1095
25-OctDavid BueterComment CardMore pickleball courts - indoors and outside. Continue as golf course none
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under new management and budget. No low income housing projects.
25-OctPet SandmannComment CardNot a golfer. Community input. Environmental concerns, also mental Let people know that there is a golf course in town. Put up signs at the entrance to
pt ads
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concerns since open sapce promots serenityon the ferries also put on the banner on sims way any events ads in flyers in hotels visitor
25-OctComment CardKeep the 9 hole golf couse. Review all city priorities for pool, pickleball, Interactive website for suggestions on all city owned properties. Looking at all activities
for
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parks and recreation. Update golf course irrigation so it is fully youth through adult that may fit in port townsend.
25-OctComment CardPreserve land for public use and recreation. Find a way to have golf and Aggressive communication campaign: radio, posters, newspapers, social media in advance
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swimming that is sustainable and affordableof all meetings and decision points. Seek expertise from inside and outside community.
25-OctBeth KelleyComment CardNot a golfer. Community input. Hisotry of golf course in the community. Banner over Sims Way. Articles of events in Leader. Public Thanks from City Council
for the
34Quickly diminishing green spaces in PTmoney raised by tournaments for many groups schools and charity. City Council needs to
support golf course instead of trying to find other ways to use it. Promotion as the last
25-OctMike KelleyComment CardCommunity input. History of golf course in the community. Quickly City sponsored tournaments. Make golf course a destination.
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diminishing green space in PT.
25-OctRichard ThomasComment CardNoneRichard Thomas-it is important to leave some open space in town for following generation.
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It is also important for this to be transparent proecess. I have the feeling that the city
25-OctComment CardCost. Accessibility. Community InputThis meeting was a disspointment. There should have been an introductory presentation.
37Just 'milling about' doesn't work in a crowded room. I would like to keep the course. I
would love it if we could (the public) have access to the perimeter trail after hours. I realize
25-OctNancy ErrecaComment Cardtimeline for reviewing florida report. Review as a small town 9 hole None
course not sawgrass. We think it is wonderful. Trees 45,000 boulders
these rocks are glavial erratics that record the galcier's travels. $6,000
amazing golfers have played golf with them for over 100 years, part of
incredible history. Irrigation 375,000 what happend to replacing control
boxes and sprinkler heads as needed. A lot fixed since report in 2019
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like city did well, etc. Players have done landscaping work. This course
can make a lot fo money again like with Mike Early. If the city only
wanted to get rid of it because of money again like Mike Early. If the city
only wnted to get rid of it because of money let them look at new
numbers, say how much they will cover like their 8" and 4" city water
lines, etc. and put out a RFP and see who is interested. If city makes
25-OctDorothy Cotton BanksComment CardThe golf course has been a golf course for 100 years, why rewrite Updates on meetings open to the public more news in the Leader.
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history? Why repurpose or worse yet sell this wonderful open space
25-OctRobert Hoppehopperobertd@gmComment CardKeep golf course as it is. Don't spend tax payers money on studies, The city has access to 180 acres of parks; 27 city parks; 5 county parks;
a state parks; 31
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ail.comconsultants, and 'landscape designers' because certain people don't like miles of trails. So, please leave the golf course as it is.
25-OctComment CardThere is no cost to leaving the golf course as it. Technical feasibility of Inform people who support retaining the golf course who the people in the community are,
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what. Please explain. Equity? What are the fairness issues?besides Michele Sandoval, who want the golf course to be used for other purposes, so that
25-OctComment CardSustainability of both the golf course and the city. Activities for youth. Covered stage for music concerts. Pump park for youth. Reserved times to open course for
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Working people and seniors. Incorporate local businesses.ocmmunity events - walking, arts shows, etc.
25-OctDixie LlewellineComment CardLow maintenance cost/water use. Retain open space. Kah Tai prairie Publish progress in PT Leader. Invite to public meetings. I think all open space
between san
preserve. Examines all uses - golfers | recreation | open spacejuan ave/ walker/blain and f. st. should remain preserved in natural condition. Open space
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ideas low water/maintenance, natural arboretum, natural area, hiking area. Part for golfers
prairie and wetland enhanced. if work force housing is included it should be south of blaine
25-OctLiz Revordliz@jcfgives.orgComment CardAddressing existing community needs + equity within those 'needs'. Ex Open house beyond/outside of working hours. Targeted invites to organizations
who may
44housing: affordable housng including workforce. Accessibility - who is benefit from partaking in these conversations (youth focused orgs, housing, land
invited into this space? Broaden the reach beyond one age range conservation groups, BIPOC and indigenous communities. 'Shark Tank' Style community
25-OctJordyn Oleachea360.689.4372Comment CardEquity (native and underrepresented|marginalized community Directly reaching out to various interest groups|Service Providers who are associated
with
45members). Current Community Needs. Strengthening service lines of a diverse population, across varied socioeconomic experiences in PT. Olycap, HSN, Dove
existing MVC uses (Food Bank + Transportation, human services)House, food bank, local tribes, jefferson county, antiracist fund ect. Not only having
25-OctVirginia Adams (Ginny)206.371.1656Comment CardCost, historic significance, community input from former and current Talk to seniors in the community - sr. center in and outside
PT proper, seniors in churches,
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users of golf course, who does golf course serve in community? Seniors, healthcare community, excerise- golf keeps folks stay active - good walking exercise,
high school golf team, cross country, runners, familes with children, pt develop new skills, eye/hand coordination, all promote healthy aging. PT has large
25-OctComment CardRecreation/park. Wildlife/flood plain. Community BuildingNone
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25-OctComment CardOpen space - presuming the last open space in PT. Community. Sharing ideas and conepts that can work for everyone. Dogs welcome on leash, but not an
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Something for everyone.open dog park.
25-OctBob Hope559.906.2250 + hopperobertd@gmail.comComment CardRetain the golf course as presently contituted. Pikleball etc. can be
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accomodated at mt. view commons and the other 30 city parks. consultants from Jupiter Florida Re: our golf course, consultants to repurpose the golf
25-OctComment CardTo keep the golf course a golf course. Coordinate marketing and
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promotion of golf course and mt. view. Offer long term lease to ensure
25-OctComment CardA working golf course. 9 holes. Open space. Income.Golf lessons. Run high school cross country here.
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25-OctComment CardTaxes. Taxes. Taxes.Repair the city streets.
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25-OctComment CardThe property should be open to all, as a park, and not the exclusive use Articles the Leader. Postings on NextDoor website
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for golfers. An improved swimming pool would be outstanding. The golf
25-OctComment CardKeep mt. view the pickleball facilityKeep it as a golf course for seniors and families, golf team, cross country meets - + charity
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golf that raisese 30,000-45,000 per year for kits in PT
25-OctDan Owen360.774.6936Comment CardLeave things alone. Keep the golf course. Direct all monies for
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repurposing towards golf course improvments. Find new golf course
25-OctKingstonComment CardGolf cousrse stay
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25-OctComment CardTax burden is already very high. Cost. What features included.
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25-OctComment CardCost (value and price). Equity (needs of the largest # of people) seems pt strikes me as a naturally, very engaged community. It doesn't seem like anything
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like accessibility is a par tof this. Don't pave paradise.extraordinary is required.
25-OctEtolin - Age 8Comment CardAquatic center pleaseGolf course to nature preserve
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25-OctKingstonComment CardPool please
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25-OctComment CardPickleball is a growing sport in a tourist destination. Many cities are Senior center needs to be ramped up.
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realizing the benefits of a social community and active outreach. Park
25-OctComment CardA new acquatic center - and whatever needs to be done regarding cost, Lots of community meetings - perhaps with specific groups - e.g. parts of young children,
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technical feasibility, etc. Community input is vital.seniors, physical therapists, lap swimmers, golfers, etc.
25-OctComment CardCommunity health and wellness.. Preservation of open space. Regular open houses - with public q+a. Zoom presentations for the public - with q+a.
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Environmental sustainability. Independent aquatic survey of all residents. Designed and tabulated by expanded public
25-OctComment CardNo golf course. Open space for all ie (pickleball courts, pool, walking Pickleball is the new state sport. I think if the parks and rec departments builds a state of
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paths, etc.). Keeping the community active cuts down on the art pickleball center - PT will be a destination bringing in money for lodging. Restaurants
25-OctComment CardDon't close the poolNone
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25-OctComment CardNew pool (6 lane - 25 yards) and therapy pool. Maintain golf course as Present proposal and ask for comments.
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open space park or golf.
25-OctComment CardWhat are community needs? Ie we need a functioning pool that our I think this is hard. I remember Jeff Randall helped the community realize how important it
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kidos in the community can use. Have lessons - enjoy in winter. was to pass the school levy. He was knowledgeable forward thinking and positive. We need
Accessibility for older adults as we are all aging (rehabilitation). a person like him to present. I would personally love a new pool with stuff for all ages.
25-OctComment CardMaintain the pool - adding a lap pool. We need a pool for exervise and None
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swim team. Not sure about using the golf course - maybe just the
25-OctComment CardMunicipal pool. Athletic Fields. Wlakign paths/open space.Events like this! Housing a worthy alternative but please do not tfr existin park land for it.
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25-OctComment CardAs pickleball continues to grow in our community we will need more I'd love to see a food forest on part of the golf course. That could be done mostly by
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pickleball courts. volunteers.
25-OctComment CardCommunity input. Don't close existing pool during construction of new Communication and input.
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pool. Fairgrounds for new pool so tax base is whole county not just pt.
25-OctComment CardI'm against spending money on the golf course. I'm for low income None
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hosuing and miniature golf on the golf course.
25-OctComment CardCommunity input and accessibility is a must. Very fed up with thing not We would love a new pool but we do not want the old one closed while you build a new
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being out in the open. one. I also do not want to lose the golf course in favor of the pool. That is not a fair option.
25-OctComment CardA real acquatic center w/ lap pool (78 degrees). Full length and separate More publicity. Consider using a wisdom council per jim rough's model. Too much
warmer pool for less aerobic intensive activities. With private bathroom divisiveness in this community.
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and changing rooms so we don't repeat this summer's experiement. The
Port Angeles aquatic center is a model - the best facility in western
25-OctComment CardLeft as open space - park, golf, etc. No homes, no apartments, no If no golf course at least keep driving range, putt and pitch areas. Maybe there could be set
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houses. Benefit to community. Focus on exercise, sport etc.hours for the public to be able to walk the course (during non-golf times). We need more
pickleball courts!! We would love covered courts. Ideally make the golf course and mt. view
25-OctComment CardThe golf course is the only property in the study that promises income One day a week the course can be used for community access, but keep the golf course as
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to the city. It is also the only property that could lose in this process. is. The city should promote the golf course as an important part of visiting pt.
25-OctComment CardCost of course - needs to appeal to alla gres demographics. Affordable Keep golf for certain activities for youth + adults including those physically challenged.
for familes and seniors - encourage healthy options for physical activity - Pickleball courts - permanent for all public play. Pickleball is state sport. It is also the
77activities.fastest growing sport in us. Pt has an active club with over 150 members w/o permanent
courts. it would also be great for tourists staying heree. we get calls from visitors at the
timeshares in disovery bay and KP where are pB courts we can plan on while staying in PT.
25-Octbillcurtsinger@gmail.comComment CardThe 50+ acres here now used by a tiny demographic of golfers. For a I'm not on engage the community expert probably no on is here. The least
expensive route
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golf course that the rest of pt taxpayers support is not sustainable. The would be a park let to go 'wild' with trails throughout - if a pool/community health space
water bill alone is reason for conern, not to mention, municipal union happens there is plenty of real estate here to accomdoate that too.
25-OctPatsy CaldwellComment Cardhistory, affordability, accessible.Monthy meetings
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25-OctComment Cardone not listed that I feel is most imporant is : long-term vision cost and First, by making sure leaders do not have a preconceived conclusion they want to reach.
accessibility are also important. Last continued commmunity use (ie Engagement must be open to all but show not how the loudest, most prominent voices. My
80accessibility of the public to public land) is important. most important point is tha tthis land is community property. If we make decisions based
primarily on 2022-2023 needs an priorities we may not be serving the best intersts of
citizens that will be here 50-100-150 years from now. Our current city governemtn does
25-OctScott ArmstrongComment CardMaintain and grow pool and its programing. Maintain all or some of the None
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golf course. Provide additional variety of youth and active options.
25-OctNadia ArmstrongComment CardMaintain and expand pool maintenance and programming. Keep at least None
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some of the golf course. Increase options for active senior and youth
25-OctJohn Palmerjohnpalmer@gmail.comComment CardGolf/open space - money spent for consultants landscape architects and etc. now - it is also used for school events cross country most
vities would love to have this
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return from Carmel House could have beeter been used to upgrade golf open space. The golf course is partly what drew me back to PT. What's wrong with leaving
course it is a wildlife area - qual/deer/eagles/ducks/racoons.it as a golf course - the decision has apparently already been made - what is driving the
25-OctComment CardMaintain the golf course as a public parkPoll the community on viability of maintaining the golf course.
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25-OctComment CardDo not put any form of housing. Make it multi-use-some how-for many Disc golf. Grassy slope with a covered outdoor stage. Perimeter bike/walk path with ropes
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groups. Have a new club house - more attractive for low cost events. course.
25-OctComment CardWe need a logn term plan. This green space is the only one of its size in An event space that leverages the green space for example drone racing or robotic races. A
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town. I have been very concern about the city's track record for major plan for the next 5-10 years is needed. There is a chance to make this green space a jewel
25-OctComment CardDo we really need to abandon a working golf course? If so, the only So are them into thinking we are making space for more housing which is empty half the
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acceptable alternative is low cost housing that is what the community year. This is input for two people.
25-OctComment CardA full service health/wellness facility. Elimate golf course. Plan for park, How will this be funded? Turn pool into theatre or farmers market space. Increase parking.
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trails, playground.
25-OctKatherine BuchananComment CardWe want to keep the golf course and the pickleball courts. Recreation This is a good start - asking residents what their preferences are. I talking
to locals these
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for all ages and the pool - so helpful for exercise and rehab. sports are for all ages and very healthy. There is a history - people have stories.
25-OctComment CardMountain View is our City EOC - right? We need to strengthen our More events like today's - but with presentation of factural studies re: cost, feasibility, who
resilience and future sustainability while retaining the health and and how many would be served - as community feedback keeps rolling in tally the most
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wellbeing of our population. So more activity options for all ages of often suggested ideasd and preferences - I believe the community enthusiasum is a strong
people. A new pool facility. Energy efficient and renewable energy for and can and needs to be tapped - keep people engaged by good listening then sharing
25-Octkelsey@cfgives.orgComment CardEquity and accessibility (similar concepts - right?). Personally my Please include a virtual component to all public meetings. Its so easy nowadays
to do hybrid
interests are in affordable housing, which we desperately need. Not meetings. It makes it more accessible to many more folks for various reasons e.g COVID
91sure how practical or feasible that is, regarding the golf course. But, it and stuff, but also if you want to be able to engage the worforce- easier to log on to zoom
seems like there's room for at lease some housing.for a meeting during the workday than to physically leave and come back. Also zoom can be
more accessible to people who have kids (since an in person meeting may require
25-OctComment CardEquity and accessibility the final plan should offer services (recreational Maintain natural corridor along path along east side. Keep as many tall trees as well plus
or otherwise) to a range of demographic and economic categories of
92allow for some understory vegegtation to provide more natural habitat (e.g. around pond).
peopleE.g. sports facilities for young and old.
Consider a performance bandshell like the one at Camie Blake Park, built into a natural
25-OctComment CardCost - the golf course costs too much for just a few people. Access - we Through media, share info that city is not selling the golf course for development. This
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all want access to this public space. rumor is bad for moving forward.
25-OctComment CardOnline survey. Stakeholder meetings.
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25-OctComment CardThis asset should benefit the most people, not just a select few, with a People who came to this meet and greet were expecting a presentation. How about a town
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wide vareity of activities, that are inexpensive, the facilities should be hall meeting - facilitated. Where folks can ask questiona nd share opinions.
Small Group Meetings Feedback
November 2022 January 2023
Black Lives Matter JC ( 4 participants)
Center of town, connection with farming, resilience
Interested in climate change
Prairie, history needs to be considered.
Affordabe housing needed
Community space: open, outdoor, gathering areas
Community garden
BIPOC and Queer: need physical space
Work with tribes on how best to use the land.
Food Resiliency
Space should be used in multi-generational way, accessibility for all
Community gathering area, add a community kitchen
Consultation with the land itself, possible give back to tribes
Envision this space for the next 50 years
Honor the camas field.
Access to community/arts/third place
Open natural space in the middle of town: free yoga, qigong, youth activities, accessible art
Parks, Recreation, Tree, Trails Advisory Board, Port Townsend ( seven participants)
Whatever the plan is, we need to make sure that there is some enforcement or teeth behind
managing Hasting pond and wetland.
For feedback and increased public engagement, consider Nextdoor, repetitive announcements,
PDN, PT Leader, Library.
The advisory board would like to volunteer to do intercept events around town.
Recovery Café: ( four participants)
Make it similar to HJ Carrol park
Add a childrens and seniors walk/trails/accessibility
Environmental education
Picnic tables/benches
We have two other golf courses in this area, make this property accessible to all, not just golfers.
It feels like a private club on city land.
Create something to benefit the whole community
Create connections: to/from Kah Tai
Outdoor gathering areas/theater/movies
Affordable housing
Add water features
Keep the prairie
Community gardens
Employment for young people
Social sustainability: jobs, housing, amenities.
Best practices from other communities
Grow food!
Jefferson County Parks and Trails Commission ( 6 people)
Connection to Kah Tai important
Personal significance: the golf course
Generate income for nonprofits through golf course
Expand it for the usage for other amenities
Accommodate more uses than just golf
Only affordable golf course around, Keep it affordable
Usage feels exclusive
There are a lot of other golf courses nearby
Desperately need an artificial turf soccer field, massive turnouts in the summer for soccer
Local sports groups( 4 people)
Avid birder: valuable habitat for winter waterfowl. Same as Kah Tai.
Skiing in the winter
Use the gym, and used to use basketball courts outside but they were taken out. Also, athletic
field was taken out.
Play pickleball
Need Sport fields
A lot of opportunity has been taken away: I.e. dog park took away field. When Salish Coast was
built: five fields taken away
Major demand on Blue Heron.
Memorial Field is used by youth.
200-300 kids for fall and spring soccer
Salish Coast Elem school: field is not avail for public
City does not own an athletic field. Most sports happen at HJ Carroll: 3 sizes.
A lot of interest in turf fields, expanding use to year around. County closes fields in mid-October.
Need lights on the turf fields.
Golf course is like a private club. there is a great course at Discovery Bay
Lights, even without turf, opens up options for adults when they get off work.
Bicycles/walking trails
Bicycle skills areas: jumping, golf course perfect because of grades; bike jumping ( ie.
Bellingham, Canada)
Maritime Center ( 2 people)
This golf discussion: old versus new. The new always win, the old loses.
Other opportunities to golf? Cost?
Miniature, pitch and putt
Par 3
Housing
Rotary ( 20 people)
95 years of operations
Question: highest and best use of property: community outreach, stakeholders process: pool
Question: Are there deed restrictions that call out that it needs to be used as a gold course?
Answer: The deed restrictions only list the land as used for municipal purposes.
59 acre consultant: stated it was a jewel in the middle of town.
What about an MPD?
Lots of research , combine the projects
Golf course study: Usable space at the golf course, keep 9 holes, open to suggestion
Question: Can you close the golf course a couple days a week and open it up for walking?
Answer: The golf course is not sustainable now, and in order for it to be sustainable, it would
need to operate 7 days/wk.
Rotarians: Number issue: keep in perspective, community needs multiple activities: pickleball,
boating, cross country skiing , dog parks, golf.
No signage for golf course
Use for open space should be determined by the future
It needs to be open space, prairie,
Mountain View property: community center, develop this plan to a humble approach, the Y
project was brought down because it was pretty ambitious.
Dog park, needs a stewardship group
Recyclery: in need on the margins
Centrally located on bus line, accessible, price is right, not a membership.
Pool:
Golf course left alone self sustaining asset
Mountain View: improve on it
Chamber ( 1 person)
Members have a split perspective
families
lay golf, its only 9 holes. If I am going to spend money and time to
play golf: I will go to the two other courses.
Mini golf, driving rage: yes.
9 hole golf course: not a destination course. We have two 18 hole courses within 30 minutes.
Population shifting, more people here under 50, people who have been here for a long time
it, the change.
, 9 hole course is not attractive
We could possible bundle it, but it is not a draw.
Golf as a sport cannot fix that.
Golf course operator or
marketing. They list their events, but dont use the tools.
Need a family gathering area. Quality of life for families. Economic development component,
more than a tourist community, something the residents can use: walking trails, light up trails.
Golf only improves quality of life for some people, not the majority of people.
Keep the restaurant/bar/music/create a band stand, complement For Worden.
Vision : place making.
UCCF ( 3 people)
Trails create connection trails so people can use this land.
Affordable housing we need more housing in town.
Something like Greenlake in Seattle par 3 course, or mini golf.
Need area to conduct outside church
Meditation place
Green Space
Similar to HJ Carrol
Repurpose space
If golf courses were to stay, put in disc golf, so there is more variety
With climate change and water usage, seems use of a lot of resources for the golf course
Scottish golf course: open space, free, all natural, community course
Community Gardens
Grow food for foodbank
TransJeff ( 1 person)
Housing need more
Need safe gathering spaces
Accessible green space
Centrally located, could be nice for everyone in town.
Safe area
Love having the space
Kah Tai/Golf Course, navigate around them
Golf Course to be open.
Kiwanis ( 25-30 people)
Keep the golf course, but figure out how to open it up for walkers.
Multi-use with golf
Lots of questions about MPD. Taxes, bonding.
taxes?
How are we going to phase it?
Are we going to create big grand plans that are not achievable?
If we do create a phasing plan, can we keep the golf course open until the very end?
When considering the finances, consider the funds that get donated to nonprofits from golf
tournament.
Salish Coast elementary parent pick up: ( 60-70 people)
Passed out 50 flyers for open house
Community garden
Open to every body in the community
Affordable housing
JUMP inclusive playground
Trails and connections
Pump track
Keep golf course
Activities for kids
GROUNDSWELL LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE | URBAN DESIGN | PLANNING
SMALL USER GROUP MEETINGS
To: Carrie Hite Topic: Stakeholder small group Date: 11/15/2022
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CITY OF PORT
TOWNSEND
GOLF COURSE +
MT. VIEW
COMMONS
CONCEPT PLANNING
City Council Mee ng #2 - June 20, 2023
AGENDA
Ɩ Introductions
Ɩ Project Background + Schedule
Ɩ Golf Course Analysis
Ɩ Feedback from Open Houses 1 + 2 (In Person/Online/Surveys)
Ɩ Open House #3
Ɩ Discussion
Ɩ Next Steps
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
PROJECT PURPOSE
Ɩ In early 2020, a community
engagement process, following
the development of the PROS plan,
showed that the community desires
to explore different uses for the golf
course property owned by the City.
PORT TOWNSEND
Ɩ In November 2020, Council
GOLF COURSE
unanimously directed staff to engage
the community to explore the
feasibility of alternate uses, including
continued use for golf.
MT. VIEW
Ɩ Given the proximity of the Mountain
COMMONS
View Campus, it is the CityƏs interest
to explore complementary uses and
plan for this site as well.
Study Area
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
CREATING A VISION
This project is providing the Port Townsend community an opportunity to
think holistically about the long-range vision and legacy for the future of
the golf course property (be it a golf course, city park or a hybrid solution)
and how it relates to the city fabric now and into the future.
PROJECT GOAL
Ɩ To best serve the community with parks, recreation, and open
space and to improve the quality of life for residents, families, and
youth.
PROJECT FACTS
Ɩ This project is providing the Port Townsend community an
opportunity to think holistically about the long-range vision and
legacy for the future of the golf course property (be it a golf
course, city park or a hybrid solution) and how it relates to the city
fabric now and into the future.
Ɩ There has been no determination the golf course is being replaced
or if other uses will be accommodated.
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
PROJECT FACTS
Ɩ The City and community recognize the environmental value the
prairie and pond provide. These uses are intended to remain.
Ɩ The City recognizes the value the existing Mt. View tenants
provide. This discussion is about complementing land uses.
Ɩ The future Mt. View Pool Facility is being planned as a separate/
parallel effort. The project is termed ƎHealthier Together.Ə
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
PROJECT SCHEDULE
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
GOLF COURSE
ANALYSIS
GOLF COURSE ANALYSIS
Ɩ PURPOSE: ASSESS THE NGF REPORT FROM A LOCAL LENS
Ɩ TAKEAWAYS:
Ɩ AGING INFRASTRUCTURE (COURSE, CLUBHOUSE, IRR., ETC.)
Ɩ DEMAND MAY NEVER BE SUFFICIENT TO SUSTAIN
Ɩ LACK OF MANAGEMENT/MARKETING TO SUSTAIN OPERATIONS
Ɩ LACK OF FINANCIAL REPORTING
Ɩ NGF STUDY - MERITS:
Ɩ ACCURATE DEPICTION OF THE GOLF COURSE CONDITIONS +
CHALLENGES
Ɩ SALES AND MARKETING RECOMMENDATIONS
Ɩ NGF STUDY - SHORTCOMINGS:
Ɩ $1M INVESTMENT IS NOT REALISTIC
Ɩ HIRING A GOLF PRO DOES NOT SUPPORT FINANCIAL GOALS
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
GOLF COURSE ANALYSIS
Ɩ RECOMMENDATIONS:
Ɩ IMPLEMENT SALES AND MARKETING STRATEGY
Ɩ INCREASE GREEN FEES
Ɩ EXPAND FOOD AND BEVERAGE OPERATION
Ɩ EXTEND LEASE DURATION
Ɩ ESTABLISH A LONG TERM OPERATIONAL PLAN
Ɩ IMPLEMENT CAPITOL IMPROVEMENTS:
Ɩ IRRIGATION UPGRADES
Ɩ TREE TRIMMING AND DEBRIS REMOVAL
Ɩ LEVELLING AND GRADING OF TEES/FAIRWAYS
Ɩ NEW AND/OR REPAIRED MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT
Ɩ CLUBHOUSE IMPROVEMENTS
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
VIABILITY OF PAR 3 GOLF
ͻ/ŷğƓŭźƓŭ ƷŷĻ ŭƚƌŅ ĭƚǒƩƭĻ źƓƷƚ ğ ƦğƩ Ќ ŭƚƌŅ ĭƚǒƩƭĻ Ǟƚǒƌķ ŷğǝĻ ğ ƭźŭƓź ŋ cant impact to
the golf opera ons. I called Ba le Creek golf course north of Evere as they have both
an 18 hole and a par 3 course. The par 3 course does about 25% of the rounds the 18
hole course does and the green fee is 25% of the 18 hole rate. So the impact to revenue
would be substan al. In addi on, the cost to convert to a smaller par 3 would require
basically rebuilding the golf course. The greens would have to be moved, they would
be made smaller, with new irriga on and new tee boxes. It would be used more by
non-golfers so the posi ve would be that kids and ŋ rst me golfers would most likely
increase. The golf shop merchandise would probably disappear as the need for clubs,
ƭŷƚĻƭͲ ĻƷĭ͵ Ǟƚǒƌķ ĬĻ ĻƌźƒźƓğƷĻķ͵ͼ
-DAVID HEIN, GOLF COURSE CONSULTANT
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
OPEN HOUSE #1
WHAT WE HEARD
Ɩ PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE #1
Ɩ January 11, 2023 @ 5:00 p.m.
Ɩ Fort Worden Commons
Ɩ 291 Attendees
Ɩ 1,985 Dots Placed
Ɩ 84 Questions Submitted
Ɩ 23 Project Boards
Ɩ 3 Interactive Stations:
Ɩ (2) Golf Course Potential Uses Boards
Ɩ (1) Mt. View Potential Uses Boards
Ɩ (1) Dream Big Board
Ɩ (1) Online Survey Board
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
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Ɩ ONLINE OPEN HOUSE #1
Ɩ January 12, 2023 @ 4:00 p.m.
Ɩ 83 Attendees
Ɩ 34 Questions Submitted
Ɩ ONLINE SURVEY
Ɩ 1,091 RESPONSES
Ɩ First name
Ɩ Email
Ɩ Listserv
Ɩ Five questions
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
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CityofPortTownsendGolfCourseCommentLo
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July5thPeterWestemailtoIhaveonespecificsuggestionaboutthegolfcourseatthistime.IhopetogetanopportunitytoThanksforyourresponse.Wewillconsidertheseintheplanningprocess.
councilengagewithotherswhenthepublicisinvitedtoparticipate.Ithinkyourkeyroleascityleadersis
1inthisprocessistoensurethatstrongandhealthyprinciplesareestablishedbeforepeoplestart
Ɩ COMMENT CARDS / EMAILS debatingthedetails.Ihaveasuggestionforthreeprinciplestoconsider.
1.Thepropertycurrentlycontainingthegolfcoursemustremainopenspaceforalltime.This
meansthinkinglongtermΑverylongterm.Itmeansnohousing,nonewbuildings,nonew
roads,nonewpermanentstructures.Therearemanywaysthatthispropertycanremainopen
spaceandbenefitthecitizensofourtownΑincluding,butnotlimitedtogolf.Ifindithelpfulto
askmyselfͻǞŷğƷwillthecitizensofPortTownsend150yearsfromnowbeverygratefulthat
wedidwiththegolfĭƚǒƩƭĻͪͼPersonally,Ithinktheywillbegladwekeptitopenspace.Thegolf
coursepropertymayonedaybetheͻ CentralPark ͼofPortTownsendwhenthecityhasgrown
tolevelsthatwe,today,canhardlyimagine.Andalthough,asweallknow,wedesperatelyneed
Ɩ 626 comments/questions
moreaffordablehousingthe59acresofthegolfcoursepropertyisthewrongplace.Wehave
hundredsofacresofbuildablelandallovertheplaceΑincludinguptowneven.Wehave
hundredsofacresofcityowned,countyowned,stateowned,privatelyownedlandforbuilding.
2.Thepropertycurrentlycontainingthegolfcoursemustcontributetomitigatingclimate
change.Thismightmeanmoretrees,differentkindsoftrees,otherwaystosequestercarbon.
Butascityleadersyouabsolutelymusttakeaboldandpublicstandformitigatingclimate
changeΑnotsomuchforwhatcontribution59acrescanmake(itisnotinsignificant)butmore
submitted
theleadershipandinspirationitcanshowtoallofussinceitwillbevisibleandwilllikely
engagemanyofusifnotmostofus.
3.Thepropertycurrentlycontainingthegolfcoursemustincreasediversityandinclusiveness.
PortTownsendisoneoftheleastdiverseandleastinclusivecommunitiesanywhere.Currently
PortTownsendislikesomekindof55andoverretirementcommunitymadeupmostlyof
white(increasinglywealthy)democrats.Nonwhitepeoplearewelcometovisitherebutusually
asmusicfacultyforCentrumorsomeotherartistic/culturalvisitation.Youngpeopleare
welcometoworkherebutnottolivehereΑunlesstheyarehelpedfinanciallybyparents.So,
whatimaginationcouldbebroughttobearonthegolfcoursetohelpmakeit59acresofopen
Ɩ All have been responded to
spacethatwoulddrawyoungpeople,nonwhitepeople?Lowincomepeople?genderdiverse
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syanof@yahoo.com
13Jul22StevenYanoffemailIalreadysubmittedacommenttotheEngagePTemail(engagept@cityofpt.us)expressingmyThanksforyourcomments.Wewillconsiderthesepointsintheplanningprocess.
views.ThegolfcourseandcommonsareagreatPTresourceandthisisanopportunityforvision
andprogress.Isupportconversionofthegolfcoursetoanaturalareawithwalkingandbike
paths,highlightingandexpandingnativelocalPNWecosystems,includingKahTaiPrairieabove
andhistoricalmarshesinthelowlands.Hopefullytherewouldbeinterpretivesinageaboutthose
naturalsystemsandhistoricaltribaluse.IalsoamconcernedaboutPT'slackofaffordable
by City Staff housingandwouldliketoseepartoffutureplansforthegolfcourseandcommons
2accommodateaffordablehousing.Isupportrecreationalopportunitieslikethepickleballcourts
anddogpark.Wetakeourdogtotheparkdailyandourdaughterandfriendsswiminthepool.I
donotsupportextensionofthegolfcourseintothefuture,duetoenvironmentalimpacts,
limitedinterest,andcost.Forcontext,myfamilylivesafewblocksfromthecommons,andI
regularlywalkorbikewithmydaughteronherwaytoschool.Butwedonotgointothegolf
course,becauseexceptforprairiewatching,itdoesnotwelcomenongolfers.
LandinBoring@msn.com
17Jul22LandinBoringIamwritingtoofferinputonthePTgolfcourse.Whatevercoursethecitycouncildecides,IThanksforyourcomments.Wewillconsiderthesepointsintheplanningprocess.
stronglyencouragekeepingpublicaccesstoalltheland,suchthatthelandisopentothepublic.
3IamopentoideashowpublicaccessbestfitswiththeMountainViewcommunitycenter.Iam
Ɩ STAKEHOLDER COMMITTEE
Ɩ Guides the project team.
Ɩ 21 person stakeholder group
Ɩ Eight meetings since 2022
Ɩ Recordings, notes, minutes are
posted to the City website
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
DECISION MAKING CRITERIA
1. Inclusive and welcoming
Ɩ Accessible and safe
Ɩ Serve the greatest good for the most amount of people
2. Prioritize environmental stewardship
Ɩ Balance recreation with habitat protection and enhancement
Ɩ Advocate for a resilient and restorative landscape
3. Bene Ƴ t community health and wellbeing
Ɩ Enhance recreation opportunities for a larger community demographic
Ɩ Align with the community health and wellness plan
4. Celebrate Port TownsendƏs history, community, and culture
5. Support connectivity, walkability and expanded site access
6. Meet infrastructure needs
7. Financially stable
8. Accommodate future community needs
Ɩ Forward thinking
Ɩ Functional versatility
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
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Ɩ FOCUSED OUTREACH
21. Kah Tai Prairie
1. City Council
22. Economic Development Council
2. Black Lives Matter, Jefferson County
23. School District
3. Parks, Recreation, Tree, and Trails Advisory Board
24. Red Cross
4. Recovery Café
25. Foodbank
5. Jefferson County Parks and Trails Commission
26. ReCyclery
6. Local sports groups
27. Land Trust and Chamber
7. Maritime Center
28. Jamestown SƏKlallam
8. Rotary Club
29. High School Students
9. Chamber
30. Intercept Events:
10. Quimper Unitarian Universalist Fellowship
Ɩ Quimper
11. TransJefferson County
Ɩ Co-op
12. Kiwanis
31. Project Launch:
13. Salish Coast elementary parents
Ɩ Golf Course
14. Port Townsend Golf Club
Ɩ Mt. View Commons
15. Neighbors
32. PTA
16. Adjacent developers
33. Olympic Pride
17. 4th Graders
34. Fort Warden PDA
18. Pickleball Club
35. Collinwood Farm
19. Dog Park
36. Shy Acre
20. YMCA
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
ONLINE / IN PERSON COMBINED
GOLF COURSE SITE - COMMUNITY PRIORITIES:
1. Walking/Biking Trails
2. Habitat Restoration
79
84
346
3. Renovated Golf Course
95
97
4. Nature Play
5. Community Garden
102
6. Wetland Boardwalk
288
114
7. Outdoor Performance Space
8. Affordable Housing
145
9. Kah Tai Prarie
218
156
10. Miniature Golf / Putt Putt
182
164
138
11. Picnic Areas
12. Disc Golf
13. Educational Center
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
ONLINE / IN PERSON COMBINED
MT. VIEW SITE - COMMUNITY PRIORITIES:
1. Pool
2. Education / Community Center
88
88
101479
3. Renovated Playground
4. Renovated Pickleball
167
5. Renovated Dog Park
169
6. Affordable Housing
274
7. Splash Pad / Water Feature
171
8. Plaza
9. Art
252
174
200
10. Festival Street
11. FarmerƏs Market
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
ONLINE / IN PERSON COMBINED
GOLF COURSE PRIORITIES:MT. VIEW PRIORITIES:
1. Walking/Biking Trails
1. Pool
2. Habitat Restoration
2. Education / Comm. Ctr.
3. Renovated Golf Course
3. Renovated Playground
4. Nature Play
4. Renovated Pickleball
5. Community Garden
5. Renovated Dog Park
6. Wetland Boardwalk
6. Affordable Housing
7. Outdoor Performance Space
7. Splash Pad / Water Feature
8. Affordable Housing
8. Plaza
9. Kah Tai Prarie
9. Art
10. Miniature Golf / Putt Putt
10. Festival Street
11. Picnic Areas
11. FarmerƏs Market
12. Disc Golf
13. Educational Center
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
ONLINE SURVEY
2. Do you support exploring alternative uses for the Port
Townsend Golf Course property?
Ɩ Yes, I would like to explore alternate uses for the golf course
property.
Ɩ No, the Golf Course should remain.
Ɩ Hybrid - Lets get creative, I would like to explore a mix of golf and
something for everyone.
Ɩ Undecided - IƏm not sure
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
ONLINE SURVEY
2. Do you support exploring alternative uses for the Port
Townsend Golf Course property?
26
1. Yes
2. Hybrid
251
3. No
4. Undecided
470
74% SUPPORT ALTERNATE USES,
344
OR A HYBRID OF USES, FOR THE
GOLF COURSE PROPERTY
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
HIGH SCHOOL
ENGAGEMENT
HIGH SCHOOL PRIORITIES - GOLF COURSE
STUDENTS:
1. Affordable Housing
2. Miniature Golf
3. Walking/Biking Trails
4. Sport Fields
5. Boardwalk
6. Climbing Wall
7. Event Space
8. Community Garden
9. Habitat
10. Multi Use Lawn
11. Kah Tai Prairie
12. Disc Golf
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
HIGH SCHOOL PRIORITIES - GOLF COURSE
STUDENTS:OPEN HOUSES:
1. Walking Biking Trails
1. Affordable Housing
2. Habitat Restoration
2. Miniature Golf
3. Nature Play
3. Walking/Biking Trails
4. Wetland Boardwalk
4. Sport Fields
5. Renovated Pool Facility
5. Boardwalk
6. Golf Course
VS.
6. Climbing Wall
7. Community Garden
7. Event Space
8. Event / Performance Space
8. Community Garden
9. Affordable Housing
9. Habitat
10. Picnic Areas
10. Multi Use Lawn
11. Education Center
11. Kah Tai Prairie
12. Miniature Golf/Putt Putt
12. Disc Golf 13. Climbing Wall
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
HIGH SCHOOL PRIORITIES - MT. VIEW
STUDENTS:
1. Affordable Housing
2. Pool
3. Splash Pad
4. Plaza
5. FarmerƏs Market
6. Playground
7. Dog Park
8. Festival Street
9. Pickleball
10. Educational Center - (0 VOTES)
11. Art - (0 VOTES)
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
HIGH SCHOOL PRIORITIES - MT. VIEW
STUDENTS:OPEN HOUSES:
1. Renovated Pool Facility
1. Affordable Housing
2. Education / Comm. Center
2. Pool
3. Renovated Playground
3. Splash Pad
4. Plaza
4. Plaza
5. Renovated Dog Park
5. FarmerƏs Market
6. Affordable Housing
VS.
6. Playground
7. Renovated Pickleball
7. Dog Park
8. Splash Pad
8. Festival Street
9. Art
9. Pickleball
10. Festival Street
10. Educational Center - (0 VOTES)
11. Other
11. Art - (0 VOTES)
12. Water Feature
13. Nature Play 13. FarmerƏs Market
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
OPEN HOUSE #2
OPEN HOUSE #2
Ɩ PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE #2
Ɩ April 26, 2023 @ 5:00 p.m.
Ɩ Fort Worden Commons
Ɩ 207 Attendees
Ɩ ONLINE OPEN HOUSE #2
Ɩ May 1, 2023 @ 4:00 p.m.
Ɩ 23 Attendees
Ɩ ONLINE SURVEY
Ɩ 1,030 RESPONSES (as of May 8)
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
CONCEPT #1 - RESTORED GOLF COURSE
KEY
A IRRIGATION IMPROVEMENTS VARIOUS LOCATIONS
E
B STUMP REMOVAL VARIOUS LOCATIONS
G
NEW MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT
C
LEVELING / GRADING VARIOUS LOCATIONS
D
IMPROVE CART PATHS
E
CLUBHOUSE REPAIRS/UPGRADES
F
HOUSING DEVELOPER RFP
G
H
CIVIC PLAZA
D
C
PHASINGESTIMATE OF COSTS
F
PHASE 1 (YEAR 1-5):PHASE 1 (YEAR 1-5):
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CONCEPT #2 - HYBRID GOLF COURSE
KEY
A PUBLIC TRAILS + CART PATHS
B RELOCATED DOG PARK
G
RELOCATE HOLES 5 + 6
F
C
NATURE PLAY
D
COMMUNITY GARDEN
E
HOUSING
F
BOARDWALK AUDUBON EMAIL
G
A
CIVIC PLAZA W/ PICKLEBALL + SPLASHPAD
H
PHASINGESTIMATE OF COSTS
PHASE 1 (YEAR 1-5):
PHASE 1 (YEAR 1-5):
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KEY
A TRAILS
B BOARDWALK AUDUBON EMAIL
B
HOUSING
C
C
OPEN SPACE W/ TRAILS + HABITAT RESTORATION
D
RELOCATED DOG PARK
E
A
COMMUNITY GARDEN
F
NATURE PLAY
G
MEADOW
CIVIC PLAZA W/ PICKLEBALL AND SPLASHPAD
H
PHASINGESTIMATE OF COSTS
PHASE 1 (YEAR 10-15):PHASE 1 (YEAR 10-15):
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G
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PHASE 2 (YEAR 16-22):PHASE 2 (YEARS 16-22):
E
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TOTAL GRANT REQUEST
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CONCEPT #3 - CENTRAL PARK
KEY
A
PUBLIC WALKING TRAILS + BIKE TRAILS
BOARDWALK AUDUBON EMAIL
B
B
HOUSING DEVELOPER RFP
C
C
AMPHITHEATER
D
COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE DEVELOPER RFP
E
A
COMMUNITY GARDEN
F
A
G
NATURE PLAY
G
ACTIVE RECREATION BASKETBALL, SOCCER,
H
PICKLE BALL
PHASINGESTIMATE OF COSTS
F
E
PHASE 1 (YEAR 1-10):PHASE 1 (YEAR 1-10):
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D
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PHASE 2 (YEAR 11-21):
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OPEN HOUSE #2 RESULTS
1. CONCEPT 3 - CENTRAL PARK
2. CONCEPT 1 - RESTORED GOLF COURSE
42%33%
3. CONCEPT 2 - HYBRID GOLF COURSE
18%
4. CONCEPT 2A - SPACE FOR NATURE
7%
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
1 ST 2 ND 3 RD 4 TH
42%33%18%7%
OPEN HOUSE #3
CENTRAL PARK
KEY
A
PUBLIC WALKING TRAILS + BIKE TRAILS
BOARDWALK AUDUBON EMAIL
B
B
HOUSING DEVELOPER RFP
C
C
AMPHITHEATER
D
COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE DEVELOPER RFP
E
A
COMMUNITY GARDEN
F
A
G
NATURE PLAY
G
ACTIVE RECREATION BASKETBALL, SOCCER,
H
PICKLE BALL
PHASINGESTIMATE OF COSTS
F
E
PHASE 1 (YEAR 1-10):PHASE 1 (YEAR 1-10):
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HYBRID GOLF COURSE
KEY
A PUBLIC TRAILS + CART PATHS
B RELOCATED DOG PARK
G
RELOCATE HOLES 5 + 6
F
C
NATURE PLAY
D
COMMUNITY GARDEN
E
HOUSING
F
BOARDWALK AUDUBON EMAIL
G
A
CIVIC PLAZA W/ PICKLEBALL + SPLASHPAD
H
PHASINGESTIMATE OF COSTS
PHASE 1 (YEAR 1-5):
PHASE 1 (YEAR 1-5):
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DISCUSSION
NEXT STEPS
JUNE 22nd - Open House #3
JUNE 26th - Online Open House #3
JULY 17TH - City Council Brie Ƴ ng #3
Late July - Final Report
tƚƩƷ ƚǞƓƭĻƓķ DƚƌŅ /ƚǒƩƭĻ ğƓķ aƷ͵ źĻǞ /ƚƒƒƚƓƭ /ƚƓĭĻƦƷ tƌğƓƓźƓŭ
THANK YOU!
From:George Bush
To:publiccomment@cityofpt.us.
Subject:another citizen"s take on golf process
Date:Thursday, June 15, 2023 8:15:28 AM
On Jun 14, 2023 4:21 PM, robert hoppe <hopperobertd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don’t think the “community” and the golf group are “polar opposites”. I think the City and
the golf people are, unfortunately, polar opposites. The City, and its representatives, have
created a false conflict, by claiming the “community” has
> taken positions it hasn’t. I simply can’t believe there is/are a
> significant number of Port Townsend residents that want a fifty million dollar pool complex,
or anything close to that. And the “Central Park” concept is ridiculous.
> Are there people in Port Townsend foolish enough to imagine large groups dancing around
may poles, or frolicking across lawns when they have shown NO
> INTEREST in using, and caring for, the many parks that have been here for a long time.
> Bob Hoppe
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 3:31 PM Nerreca <nerreca@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Her Sentence: The hybrid plan the architects have designed is a compromise to keep 9
holes,
>>
>> This is a lie. 9 holes means more than 9 holes. It means driving range, hole 5 that works
and layout that does not endanger walkers etc.
Agenda Bill AB23-185
Meeting Date: June 20, 2023
Agenda Item:VIII.C
Regular Business Meeting
Workshop/Study Session
Special Business Meeting
Submitted By: Connie Anderson, Finance Director
Date Submitted: June 15, 2023
Department:Finance Contact Phone:360-379-4403
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SUBJECT: 1Quarter 2023 Financial Update
CATEGORY: BUDGET IMPACT:
Consent Resolution Expenditure Amount:
Staff Report Ordinance Included in Budget? Yes No
Contract Approval Other:
Public Hearing (Legislative, unless otherwise noted)
3-Year Strategic Plan: N/A
Cost Allocation Fund: N/A
SUMMARY STATEMENT:
st
The 1 Quarter Financial Report for 2023 provides a summary of the financial activity
through March. These results are preliminary and unaudited. Financial results have
started out on target. The City started 2023 with healthy reserves placing the City in a
good financial position to begin the year.
Key general government revenues such as sales tax, property tax, lodging tax, and
development and permitting fees are on target and coming in as expected. Real estate
nd
excise tax had a slow start for the year, but a peak forward into 2 quarter results shows
transaction activity picking back up.
Expenses have started the year on targetwith a few expenses coming in higher than
expected. Capital projects typically ramp up mid-year and we anticipate activity in our
capital accounts. Salaries and benefits remain under budget, with a continued vacancy
rate of 10-15%. Staffing continues to remain a challenge; however, we are making some
headway in hiring and bringing new staff on board.
The City began 2023 in a good financial position because of higher-than-expected
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beginning fund balances. The 1quarter remains steady, but there are still many
unanswered questions on the direction of the economy. We are watching for key
indicators in the national economy that will impact us locally. The cpi is trending back
down but is still above the 5-year average. Other indicators that we are watching include
the real estate market trends, corporate orders, corporate profits and employment. There
is no way to know the future, but the goal is to remain thoughtful and diligent while utilizing
From:George Bush
To:publiccomment@cityofpt.us.
Subject:Agenda Item VIII B
Date:Tuesday, June 20, 2023 2:59:41 PM
Attachments:Pi R Squared-Hybrid 6-13-23.pdf
Dear Council,
Today's presentation by the Envision Team is short on vision and long on
deception. I assume you have heard the Team excluded the recent input
of golfers, and friends of golfers to reconsider the Hybrid plan - a
plan that is surely designed to fail as far as golf is concerned. The
Envision Team was given the opportunity to include a different version
of the Hybrid that satisfies the needs of golfers and the golf business,
and provides access to the property for non-golfers. They rejected the
new version of the hybrid without logic or reason. The rearrangement of
the Course in their presentation makes the possibility of a viable golf
business enterprise impossible. Lacking a driving range, there can be
no learning of the game for beginners, and no practice for the
established golfers. Since the driving range can represent up to a
third of the income for the golf business, there is little to no chance
a golf professional would apply for the job. The myriad of trails
around and through the golf course alone would make it unplayable. The
plans presented to you would greatly reduce the sense of open space
that has been so clearly desired by the public.
I believe the hybrid plan was done with purpose to ensure the Course
would fail. What you hear and see in their presentation are two
versions of a City Park. The Hybrid is a hodgepodge of dog park with
fences, a parking lot, a so called "nature play (a made up feature that
is included to ensure more of the golf course is lost - it is a
ridiculous concept in a town with unlimited opportunities for "nature
play), a community garden that will be a abandoned with a couple years
and trails to nowhere across the entire golf course.
Finally, I would like to remind you of where the real energy is in the
City and County concerning the Course. You may remember the signs that
were place all over town to save the Course. Also, a full page ad in
the Leader with more than 500 names implored the City to keep the Course
(slightly more than 50% of those who chose to be listed were non
golfers) The signs and the ad cost the golf and friends of golf more
than $1500. What other party has put even a dime toward their concept?
And, who sends you and the paper the most letters?
The Envision(less) Team has let you down. They simply found a way to do
what John Mauro intended in the beginning - to "repurpose" the golf
course. You do not have to follow their plans - take a close look at
the alternative plan attached.
Sincerely,
George Bush
KEY
CONCEPT #2.1 HYBRID GOLF COURSE
F
S
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A. Trails N to S, E to W
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PORT TOWNSEND GOLF COURSE
2
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B. Native prairie expansion
DESIGNED BY - PI R SQUARED
Trailhead
C. Putt-putt golf course
E
designed with native plants.
A CONCEPT WITH GOLF AND NON-GOLF
(Hole #5 shortened Par 4 hole)
Boardwalk
FEATURES RETAINING 9 HOLES AND
DRIVING RANGE
D. Community Garden
E. Boardwalk at the Pond
3
F. Affordable Housing
n
F
A
a
G. 5-10 year plan for a larger restaurant
u
J
Affordable
taproom, and event space open to
n
9
Housing Units
a
the community
S B
H. Driving range to adapt for
a few summer concerts
New
Trails
New
B
Trails B
Native
areas
8
A
1
Trailhead
7
H
G
Rebuild
parking,
Driving Range
Clubhouse
shortening of hole
Taproom
Event space
Hosts 2-3 Seasonal
10 year plan
Concerts
B
6
5
D
C
Community
Shorten
Garden Area
Prairie
hole
Expansion
Re-order
Putt Putt Area
Course
the resources we have available without overextending our bounds. We continue to look
for the right balance.
As a cash basis reporting entity, some of the variances to the annual budget identified in
the report summaries may be a result of timing of either the cash receipt of the revenues
or cash payment of the expenditures.
ATTACHMENTS:
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1. 2023 1 Quarter Fund Summary
CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION:
N/A
RECOMMENDED ACTION: No Action Required
ALTERNATIVES:
Take No Action Refer to Committee Refer to Staff Postpone Action
Remove from Consent Agenda Waive Council Rules and approve Ordinance ____
Other:
Agenda Bill AB23-186
Meeting Date: June 20,2023
Agenda Item: VIII.D
Regular Business Meeting
Workshop/Study Session
Special Business Meeting
Submitted By: Emma Bolin, PCD Director Date Submitted: June 20, 2023
Department: Planning/Community Dev. Contact Phone: 360-390-4048
SUBJECT: Evans Vista Encampment Cleanup Scheduling – Information Briefing
CATEGORY: BUDGET IMPACT:
ConsentResolutionExpenditure Amount:
Staff Report Ordinance Included in Budget? Yes No
Contract Approval Other: Briefing
Public Hearing (Legislative, unless otherwise noted)
3-Year Strategic Plan: N/A
Cost Allocation Fund: Choose an item.
SUMMARY STATEMENT:
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The City hosted an Outreach clean up kick off on April 17, as the first phase of the City’s engagement
work on planning the new neighborhood. The focus of this event was to provide information and
resources to those currently living at the site. Free pizza and drinks were provided. The City also
provided a dumpster for people to dispose of unneeded or unwanted items. The event was well
attended by local housing and wraparound service providers (mental health, addiction, public health).
Five people living within the Evans Vista forested area and several other interested City residents from
other neighborhoods attended to learn more about the project. Photos from the event as well as
information about the Evans Vista Outreach event are available on the project website.
https://cityofpt.us/engagept/page/evans-vista-housing-development-master-plan.
It is time now to prepare for site investigation activities, including brush clearing, survey work, and
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fencing. One of the goals of the April 17event and continued direct outreach was to ensure that
people living in the woods are aware of and prepared for the increase in activity at the Evans Vista site.
The project’s success depends on initiating this site investigation work such as surveying and critical area
studies. Public tours of the future housing site will commence after the site investigation work is
complete. The Outreach plan for the Evans Vista neighborhood development is now available on the
project website noted above. An Evans Vista Technical Advisory Group panel also will be meeting
regularly this summer to review and discuss draft deliverables prior to Planning Commission, City
Council and Public Outreach events.
At the May 17, 2023 Council meeting, staff received Council authorization for additional project funds
for Evans Vista Master Plan to prepare the site for investigation work with encampment cleanup and
brush mowing and authorizing City Manager to negotiate and execute all agreements necessary to abate
the Evans Vista site Staff. We selected American Demo and Abatement from an array of bids to clean up
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the site and they are scheduled to accomplish the work between July 5-7 2023. This team will remove
trash, drug paraphernalia, hazardous materials, and human waste. While touring the site, we spoke with
two people living there who were in the process of using the City provided dumpsters to clean up their
camping area and indicated they were moving to Caswell Brown in soon to arrive tiny shelters. They
were interested in staying engaged in the Evans Vista project as the site will one day be housing that
could facilitate their move away from Caswell Brown. The City team will coordinate posting the site at
least 72 hours prior to the cleanup. Posting will let them know that any personal valuables such as credit
cards, cell phones, and id’s found will be stored in waterproof/lockable storage bins at the shops for
retrieval.
As soon as the cleanup is done the City has contracted with a brush mower that will eliminate small
brush so that the area can be properly surveyed. The area will then be fenced off and posted no
trespassing. Biologists from SCJ Alliance have delineated a small wetland on site and its buffer;
therefore, brush mowing and encampment cleanup will not affect the wetland or its buffer. The City will
file an application for a clearing and grading permit due to the tree and brush thinning that will take
place.
The City has invested much time and direct engagement with site occupants since March and in
collaboration with community partners that provide housing, mental health, and substance abuse
treatment services. During the months of April and May service providers directly contacted those
camping in the woods with the objective to encourage people to relocate to safe emergency and/or
transitional housing. Camping at the site is unsafe and presents sanitation challenges. It is important to
share the housing development vision for a mixed income neighborhood, and therefore, staff and
service providers surveyed people experiencing homelessness, who also could live in future housing that
will be built here, on what amenities and housing types they prefer. A survey was available on the Evans
Vista website for our community to co-develop a vision for housing needs and interests for the plan.
Unfortunately, despite direct engagement and collection of contacts for several site occupants, we did
not get any survey responses from them directly and the emails provided bounced back. City staff will
be communicating the full results from the survey in future briefings.
Those who experience homelessness in our City is a challenge the whole community must come
together to solve. The Evans Vista site is not unique as many camp on other public and private
properties. The 2023 state budget has allocated resources for homeless services, which the City hopes
will be available to our community and allocated through entities such as Jefferson County Public
Health.
ATTACHMENTS:
a. Photos from site tours
CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION: N/A
RECOMMENDED ACTION:
N/A Info briefing
1.
ALTERNATIVES:
Take No Action Refer to Committee Refer to Staff Postpone Action
Remove from Consent Agenda Waive Council Rules and approve Ordinance ____
Other:
Evans Vista
Encampment Photos
Agenda Bill AB23-187
Meeting Date: June 20, 2023
Agenda Item: VIII.E
Regular Business Meeting
Workshop/Study Session
Special Business Meeting
Submitted By: Steve King, PW Director Date Submitted: June 15, 2023
Department: Public Works Contact Phone: 360-379-5090
SUBJECT: Public Works Fee Update Briefing
CATEGORY: BUDGET IMPACT:N/A
ConsentResolutionExpenditure Amount:$0
Staff Report Ordinance Included in Budget? Yes No
Contract Approval Other:
Public Hearing (Legislative, unless otherwise noted)
3-Year Strategic Plan: 4 - Ensure sustainable future for public services and facilities
Cost Allocation Fund: Choose an item.
SUMMARY STATEMENT:
The public works fee resolution was last comprehensively updated in 2014 per
resolution 14-007. A Fee for disposal of bio waste at the Compost Facility was added in
October of 2022.
Staff has been working on an update to the fee schedule for a couple of years off and
on given the fees are well out of date and under represent actual costs. Staff is also
proposing some cleanup and simplification. Additionally, the City Council requested an
update to the fee schedule at the April 17, 2023 business meeting regarding the topic of
a 5-year allowance for System Development Charge (SDC) fees concerning
discontinued water service. Thus, the staff is recommending the Council consider a
comprehensive update based on estimates of actual costs of service.
The following summary of the fee changes accompanies the resolution updating the
entire fee schedule.
1. After the April 17, 2023 meeting, staff reviewed the concern raised about shutting
water off for convenience and whether it constitutes discontinued service not
subject to paying SDC fees. Staff verified that the City code and policies require
water service for any habitable structure and thus, even if the water meter is
turned off, base fees are still due. The only time water service may be
discontinued is if a house is demolished or damaged by fire becoming
uninhabitable. This is a key principle because base fees provide stability to the
water and sewer utility system which must operate regardless of actual usage.
Given this outcome, clarification language is added to the appropriate section of
the fee sheet.
2. The bond fee has been update from $200.00 to $300.00 to reflect staff time of 3
hours to process a performance bond. This fee does not apply to warranty and
maintenance bonds which are already part of the permitting process.
3. Water main pressure testing and bacteria testing were updated to represent staff
time of 4 hours for a crew of two with equipment for pressure testing and 4 hour
so time for a crew of one plus testing costs for the bacteria testing item.
4. Limited hydrant use is typically for contractors to use hydrants for construction
purposes. The recommended fee adjustment includes raising the fee from $50
to $100 to cover staff time processing, changing the volume charge to $8.00 per
1,000 gallongs to match the summer irrigation charges in the City’s water rate
schedule, and to increase the deposit to $300.00 to cover damage to the
expensive valves. These valves often come back damaged.
5. Under water meter charges the following changes are recommended.
a. Dig and taps is the exposing of an existing water main, tapping it with a 1”
service pipe, extending the service pipe to right way line, and install a
meter chamber with associated plumbing (excludes the meter). Ofetn
meter taps are done separately from meter installation. Create a single
charge for ¾ inch and 1 inch taps given all the materials and work efforts
are the same. The actual averaged cost for this installation is estimated at
$1,800. This does not include pavement restoration as some require
pavement repair or boring under the roadway. Some installations cost less
than $1,800 to make up for the increased costs of boring or pavement
repair. The purpose of making the fee set for equity purposes. Staff
suggests that a meter and tap should cost the same for all lots and that it
should not matter what side of the street the lot falls. A consistent fee will
be more predicable and easier to administer. Dig and tap fees are also
proposed to be increased from $2,000 to $2,700 for 1.5 inch services,
from $2,275 to $3,000 for 2 inch services.
b. Meter and Drop-in is the installation of water meters typically associated
with the issuance of a building permit. Meter fees cover install the meter
when requested. Meter fees are proposed to be increase to cover 2 hours
of crew time and the material cost for the meter. Fees go up with meter
size per the material costs.
6. Hot taps occur when the City is request to tap a main line for a new mainline
extension or for a fire hydrant installation. The applicant requesting a hot tap
provides the materials. The fees for this work cover crew and equipment time.
This is a huge service the City provides. Contracted hot tapping cost several
thousand dollars. The proposed cost for hot tapping is $800.00 increased from
$300.00.
7.Water shutoff fees are proprosed toincreased from $20 to $30. A note was
provided to clarify that base fees are still paid even if the meter is shut off.
8. After hours call outs are proposed to increase to $160. Per the union contract, a
call out requires a payment of a minimum of 3 hours of overtime.
9. Removal of water meter is proposed to be increased to $60 with a note that
discontinuing water service is prohibited for structures.
10. The fee for requesting testing of a meter is proposed to be raised $120 and
refundable a meter is shown to be in error. This almost never happens.
Typically if a meter is defective, it reads low.
11. Meter re-read and final read fees are proposed to be increased fomr $20 to $30.
12. Hourly rates for staff and equipment billing out are proposed to be updated to
current costs. Two rate categories would be established with this update. The
first column is for interagency work for other local governments. This column is
less and represents our actual salary costs without overhead. The second
column is going rate for private industry more or less entitled retail rates. This
column is used when work is done for work benefiting private individuals or
entities. The reason for having different rates for private entities is that cities are
not intended to compete with private enterprise. Additionally, often when the City
does work benefiting private, it has to do with and emergency repair and is
covered by insurance. Having retail costs will cover the City’s true cost with
overhead.
13. In the past, the city has only had a fee established for the cross street banner
near the Visitor’s Center. These fees have not been memorialized with City
Council Approval and thus are included with this update. Also, the city does
have opportunity for street light banners on upper Sims Way for which no fee has
been established. Fees are proposed in this resolution for both locations.
a. Weekly rate establishes the cost per week to display
b. First time permit fees are established to coordinate with permittees in the
development of the banners such that they work with the attachment
system.
c.Repeat permit fees are less to reflect that the banner is generally already
made and all of the logistics are worked out.
d. For Sims Way, additional fees apply if the permittee wants to display
more than 3locations.
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14. At the May 1, City Council Business meeting, staff along with Jefferson County
staff presented a proposal for increasing the tipping fee for yard waste at the
transfer station. No action was taken with this first touch. Since that time,
Jefferson County has revised the approach to tipping fees and is proposing a
minimum scale transit fee of $20.00 with the intent of managing scale transit
volumes as well as to cover costs for upgrades. With this change, the issue of
setting a minimum fee is not within the City’s purview. If the County passes this
new fee, then the City will receive $16 for each transaction as a minimum. Thus,
staff recommends that the first 650 lbs of yard waste be included in the scale
transit fee equating to the current rate of $48/ton. This fee update proposal
memorializes the current rate of $48/ton. Further fee analysis will be presented
to the City Council after the results of the sewer rate study is completed.
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Please refer to the presentation at the May 1 business meeting for additional
details at
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Staff is requesting feedback for this proposed fee resolution.
ATTACHMENTS:
Exhibit A Draft fee schedule
CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION: N/A
RECOMMENDED ACTION:
No action requested
ALTERNATIVES:
Take No Action Refer to Committee Refer to Staff Postpone Action
Remove from Consent Agenda Waive Council Rules and approve Ordinance ____
Other:
Resolution 22-04123-xxxExhibit A
Page 1 of 5
Public Works Fees
Description Charges
Bond administration fee (Performance Bonds Only) $200.00 $300.00
Water Testing fees:
$50.00 $700.00
Pressure (inspector)
$40.00 $320.00
Bacteria (lab)
cost plus 10%
Any other water quality test administrative fee
Limited hydrant use charge and permit fee under Chapter 13.13 PTMC:
Contractors:
Permit fee $50.00 $100.00
Usage fee (bulk water) $2.84/1,000 gallons - city
$3.41/1,000 gallons -
county $8.00/1,000 gallons
Cash deposit for meter
$100.00 $300.00
Failure to return meter or damaged meter
Up to $1,500.00
Water meter, installation charges under Chapter 13.16 PTMC
5/8" x 3/4" Dig --
City $1,070.00 (1)
County $1,335.00 (1)
1" Dig and Tap (Single and Dual Services) (Excludes Meter) --
City $1,180.00 $1,800.00 (1)
County $1,380.00 (1)
Dual Service (includes one meter drop-in only)
1" x 2 @ 3/4"
City $1,240.00 (1)
County $1,505.00 (1)
1-1/2" Dig and Tap (Excludes Meter) --
City $2,000.00 (1) $2,700
County $2,200.00 (1)
2" Dig and Tap (Excludes Meter) --
City $2,275.00 (1) $3,000
County $2,475.00 (1)
4", 6", 8" Dig and Tap *
5/8" x 3/4" Meter and Drop-in --
City $135.00 $450.00
County $160.00
1" Meter and Drop-in --
City $185.00 $500.00
County $215.00
Resolution 22-04123-xxxExhibit A
Page 2 of 5
Description Charges
1-1/2" Meter and Drop-in --
City $465.00 $1,100.00
County $480.00
2" Meter and Drop-in --
City $615.00 $1,800.00
County $630.00
Manifold tap *
Customer requested downsizing of tap *
*Charges based on actual cost established by public works director .at rates contained in subsection 13 of
this section.
(1) Additional charges based on actual costs for labor and materials may be applied to the meter installation
fees above for certain connections that involve pavement removal/replacement, extended distances from the
water main, existing utility line conflicts, and other exceptional conditions.
Request to locate water or sewer lines received less than 48 hours before $60.00
excavation
Hot taps/main line extensions . Larger is direct cost
reimbursement for tapping company. This fee excludes the price of materials.
Applicant supplies all materials.)
Main line to main line tap $330.00 $800.00
Extension of main line *
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Turn-on/shut-off charge:*
Working weekdays 8:00 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. at convenience of the city (monthly --
base fees are still billed while water is turned off)
City $20.0030.00
County $25.0050.00
After-hours or immediate, emergency turn-on/shut-off charge --
City (except as set forth in Chapter 13.15 PTMC) $60.00160.00
County $75.00160.00
*For the first time turn-on for a new meter installation, the turn-on charge is incorporated within the meter
installation charge. For emergency or maintenance purposes only, a customer is allowed to turn-on/turn-off
their water on their own with no charge from city. They are responsible for any damage.
Removal and reinstallation of water meter (Note, discontinuation of service is $45.00 $60.00
prohibited unless structure(s) is removed from property per PTMC)
Water meter testing charge (customer request). If test discloses an error of
10% or greater the fee will be refunded
City $52.00 $120.00
County $65.00120.00
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Resolution 22-04123-xxxExhibit A
Page 3 of 5
Description Charges
Water meter re-read
City
County $20.00 $30.00
$25.0030.00
Final reading/disconnect
City $20.00 $30.00
County $30.00
Returned check charge $25.00
Special review and inspection *
*Charges based on service actual cost established by the public works director
at rates contained in subsection 13 of this section.
Hourly labor and equipment charges shall be billed Intergovermental Rates Retail Rates
at current salary with benefits costs: for (Adjusted annually
intergovermental for private use retail rates based on actual staff $62.00
Personnel (includes overhead): cost plus benefits) $50.00
Engineer $75.00
Inspector $65.00
Public works director $56.00
Operations Manager $83.52
Crew chief/lead equipment operator $70.0065 $38.00
Equipment operator $59.0017 $47.00$83.52
Maintenance personnel $52.00
Administrative staff $57.0052 $52.00$82.75
Engineering technician
GIS coordinator $42.0088 $61.15
Without Retail Rates w/Operator
Equipment: Operate rates in addition to operatorIntergovernmental
equipments rates billed at actual costs. Rates w/o operator With operator
Tractor-mounted mower $30.00/hr. $78.00/hr.$112.75
One-ton truck with utility box $15.00/hr. $63.00/hr.$97.75
John Deere grader $110.00/hr. $158.00/hr.$192.75
John Deere loader $90.00/hr. $138.00/hr.$172.75
Street sweeper $115.00/hr. $163.00/hr.197.75
5-yard dump truck $40.00/hr. $88.00/hr.$122.75
10-yard dump Truck $30.00/hr. 100.00 $78.00/hr.$182.75
Street roller $40.00/hr.30.00 $88.00/hr.$112.75
John Deere backhoe $20.00/hr.40.00 $68.00/hr.$122.75
Ingersoll-Rand compressor $140.00/hr.20.00 $188.00/hr.$102.75
Vactor sewer jet and truck $140.00 $118/hr.$222.75
Sewer Inspection Camera $200.75
Resolution 22-04123-xxxExhibit A
Page 4 of 5
Description Charges
Excavator $118.00 N/A $142.75
Kick off broom 60.00 $122.75
Peanut roller 40.00 $107.75
Chipper 25.00 $150.75
Bucket Truck 68.00 $122.75
Patch Truck $40.00 $122.75
Trailer $40.00
F-550 20.00 122.75
Ford Ranger 40.00 92.75
10.00
Sims Way Banner
Weekly Rate $150.00
First Time Permit Fee $38.00
Repeat Permit Fee (Subsequent) $13.00
Upper Sims Way Banner
13 spots available
Weekly Rate for up to 3 Banners $90.00
First Time Permit Fee $38.00
Repeat Permit Fee (Subsequent) Display $13.00
For Each Additional Banners $30.00 each.
Septage collection charge at the City Compost Facility 15 cents per gallon*
Yard Waste Min. Tipping Fee Set by Jeff. Co. Scale Fee
Yard Waste disposal rate (First 650 lbs included in Min Tipping Fee) $48/ton
*The city manager shall establish the cost of service with rates not to exceed this maximum (maximum
equates to a rate of $36.00 per wet ton). Jefferson County may add an additional charge to cover its
administrative, handling, and collection costs as provided by contract with the city.
Charge for co$25.00 per cubic yard
10 yards) (includes state sales tax)*
Bulk rate for 10 yards per load or greater $20.00 per cubic yard
(includes state sales tax)*
*The city manager shall establish the cost of service with rates not to exceed this maximum.
Resolution 22-04123-xxxExhibit A
Page 5 of 5
Description Charges
Small quantities of waste not included in the septage classification* $25.00 base fee plus $1
per gallon
*City staff may require testing prior to accepting waste to ensure the system processes and the quality of
compost are maintained.
Charge for Department of Health water system evaluation project review and Such amount as required
approval fees (WAC 246-290-120 and 246-290-990)* by Department of Health
pursuant to WAC 246-290-
990*
*The city will make an effort to forward all applications for water system installation, extension, or
improvement to department of health in order to minimize charges to each applicant. However, in the event it
is not possible to forward more than one application, the applicant will be required to pay this amount in its
entirety prior to the city processing any such applications.
Charge for Department of Transportation approval pursuant to Chapter 47.32 Such amount as required
RCW and Chapter 468-34 WAC by Department of
Transportation
New utility account set-up charge $10.00
Duplicate utility bill $0.15
Special utility bill (requested outside of regular billing cycle) $15.00
*Charges based on actual costs of service based on rates contained in subsection 13 of this section.
Agenda Bill AB23-188
Meeting Date: June 20, 2023
Agenda Item: VIII.F
Regular Business Meeting
Workshop/Study Session
Special Business Meeting
Submitted By: Jeff Kostechka, Assistant City Engineer
Date Submitted: June 14, 2023
Department: Public Works Contact Phone: 360-302-2192
SUBJECT: First Reading of Ordinance 3316 Related to Sidewalk Improvements
and Amending Port Townsend Municipal Code Section 12.04.140
CATEGORY: BUDGET IMPACT: $0
Consent Resolution Expenditure Amount: $0
Staff Report Ordinance Included in Budget? Yes No
Contract Approval Other:
Public Hearing (Legislative, unless otherwise noted)
3-Year Strategic Plan: 4 - Ensure sustainable future for public services and facilities
Cost Allocation Fund: 103 Street
SUMMARY STATEMENT:
Many Port Townsend neighborhoods have discontinuous sidewalk forcing pedestrians
to walk on gravel shoulders or in the street. Another common occurrence is sidewalk
stopping short of the street where ADA ramps should be provided. This is particularly
problematic close to key public resources such as public buildings, grocery stores, and
parks where residents tend to visit the most.
With the recent reduction in off-street parking requirements and allowing more ADUs,
additional cars will likely park on unpaved shoulders leaving pedestrians to walk with
traffic on many streets. The recent adoption of an ADA Transition Plan illustrates the
need for improving pedestrian connectivity and furthers
policy in which streets are designed for all users and all modes of transportation.
Given that piecemeal installation of sidewalks is a costly endeavor for project
applicants, results in isolated sections of sidewalk and fails to achieve near term
pedestrian connectivity, focusing resources in areas where connectivity can be
achieved will provide greater overall benefit to the applicant and public. Historically,
many sidewalk improvements were waived or deferred creating great inequity in
development requirements across the City and fails to mitigate the impacts of increased
population and housing units.
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protest to a Local Improvement Districtexpires after 10 years and has proven
ineffective. Staff has no knowledge of a Local Improvement District for sidewalk and
road improvements ever being performed in Port Townsend. Furthermore, Local
Improvement Districts are expensive and are often highly controversial given financial
impacts to all property owners benefiting from the improvements.
This proposed s address the above challenges.
Other cities have effectively implemented fee in lieu of programs to help direct
resources to create the greatest overall benefit.
The fee in lieu of program will help achieve one of the key values identified in multiple
city plans of focusing on creating a connected community and safe non-motorized
transportation alternatives. Additional specific goals and initiatives are included below.
Municipal Code Create safer and more equitable pedestrian mobility given
recent changes to decreased onsite parking requirements and increased ADU
allowance.
Non-Motorized Plan- identifies needed sidewalk infill locations.
Engineering Design Standards most existing streets do not meet city sidewalk
requirements.
2023 ADA Transition Plan
City Strategic Plan build a small-town quality of life for all ages that ensures
equitable access to
Sidewalk is required at the following locations per the Engineering Design Standards
(EDS), chapter 6, section 23a.
In addition to this section of the EDS, sidewalks are required where density exceeds 6
units to the acre. For practical purposes, this includes R-II zoning.
Why does the city lack sidewalk given the above requirements? Many residences
predate the 1997 EDS when different or no sidewalk requirements existed causing a
lack of sidewalk in most neighborhoods. Some infill development, under the 1997 EDS
were built without sidewalk either through a waiver process or a no-protest to a Local
Improvement District. Blocks with sidewalk along one house frontage offers little benefit
to the public, and walkers often decide to walk in the street rather than short sidewalk
segments.
Enforcing our EDS and City Plans as currently adopted results in many development
locations constructing sidewalk not connected to a larger sidewalk network and closing
gaps will largely only happen through city capital projects, a slow and costly timeline. A
fee in lieu program will expedite connecting our sidewalk network and will strengthen
Developers may choose to either voluntarily apply for a fee in lieu option or construct
sidewalk on their frontage. Evaluation of acceptance of the fee in lieu applications will
be made by staff through application of the attached draft policy. Generally, fee in lieu
programs will be targeted in areas where construction of sidewalk at the present time
does not make sense and the fees can be routed to a location where the applicant and
public receive greater benefit from the investment of consolidated resources by the City.
Investments must be made within a 5 year period or be refunded to the applicant.
The City is also aware that many streets are not ADA compliant because of lacking
sidewalk and ADA sidewalk ramps. Identifying key routes to connect key places of
interest (grocery, schools, parks and community gathering places) and using a fee in
lieu fund to provide accessible routes is possible. The 2023 ADA Transition Plan map
below shows ADA compliant sidewalk in blue, non-compliant sidewalk in salmon and
the gaps in the network where no sidewalk exists. Existing sidewalks may be
considered non-compliant because of missing or noncompliant ramps, steep cross
slopes, or overall condition. Gravel and dirt paths are not ADA accessible routes under
current surfacing conditions.
To determine sidewalk and ADA ramp project priorty funded by a fee in lieu program,
Public Works will first study the recommended projects identified in The Non-motorized
Plan, Transportation Functional Plan and Six Year Transportation Improvement Plan.
The list may be revised based on current city goals and existing network conditions.
Letting the fund grow to pay for more than one frontage, perhaps a continuous block of
sidewalk, will likely provide lower unit cost bids due to economy of scale.
Public Works will be leading the creation of this program in partnership with the
Planning and Community Development Department. After identifying priority projects,
the execution of the program will be part of the routine development review process
where the city evaluates and provides feedback to residential and commercial projects.
These range in size from single home infill projects, to short plats; however, it will not
apply to large subdivision (more than 9 lots cumulatively) because these are typically
greenfield development where on-site sidewalks have greater benefit. The city will
present the voluntary fee in lieu of program during a CAM, Customer Assistance
Meeting, or early in the permitting process if no CAM is held. The City finance
department will manage the set-aside fund for the fee in lieu of program.
There will be two options to determine fees.The fee shall be equal to all labor and
material to build sidewalk for the proposed development. Options to determine a fair
fee include:
1.The City will offer apre-determined fee(per foot of frontage).Note, corner lots
with street frontage on both sidesarerequired to pay for both frontages.Local
average costs for constructing sidewalk ranges from $100 to $200per frontage
footbased on recent inquiries.Staff will average costs to create an equitable fee
based on review of projectsand current development costs.ADA ramps may be
more per frontage foot than sidewalks.
2.Theapplicant canprovide two qualified bidsfrom licensed contractorsto build
sidewalk for that particular project to account for site specific conditions including
terrain, soil conditions and existing obstacles. This will require more time and
coordination for both the developer and the city butwill ensure that the option is
available to quantify actual costs for each location.
Since the proposed program is optional, it is hard to estimate the number of applicants
each year.Given the pre-platted nature of the City and lacking infrastructure, staff
estimates that applicants may usethis program 5to 10 times per yearandthat enough
fees will be aggregated to accomplish a sidewalk project every twoto three years.
Finally, the Comprehensive Streets program included impact fees as a strategy for
funding sidewalk improvements. The fee in lieu of program is recommended as an
option to impact fees given both impact fees and fee in lieu programs are not allowed to
be concurrently implemented. The Comprehensive Streets Program recommends a
target level for revenue of $100,000. A fee in lieu program will not likely achieve that
revenue amount depending on development intensity butwill likely meet sidewalk
development goals.
Staff recommends authorizingthe creation of the fee in lieu of sidewalk program to
address immediate safety and ADA needs and to align with other city goals such as
non-motorized mobility, equity and on-street parking.
ATTACHMENTS:
Ordinance 3316
DraftPolicy
Presentation
SeaTaExample
CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION:The fee in lieu of program
concept was presented to the Infrastructure and Development Committeeon May 3,
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supported forwarding to the full Council for consideration.
RECOMMENDED ACTION:
Move to approve the first reading of Ordinance 3316 Related to Sidewalk Improvements
and Amending Port Townsend Municipal Code Section 12.04.140
ALTERNATIVES:
Take No Action Refer to Committee Refer to Staff Postpone Action
Remove from Consent Agenda Waive Council Rules and approve Ordinance ____
Other:
Ordinance 3316
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ORDINANCE NO. 3316
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PORT TOWNSEND, WASHINGTON, RELATED
TO SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS AND AMENDING PORT TOWNSEND
MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION 12.04.140
WHEREAS,many Port Townsend neighborhoods lack or have discontinuous sidewalks;
and
WHEREAS,piecemeal sidewalks do not achieve pedestrian connectivity; and
WHEREAS, focusing sidewalk investment provides an overall greater benefit to the
applicant and the public; and
WHEREAS, a fee in lieu of construction program will allow the City to focus resources
in areas that will provide the greatest benefit;
NOW, THEREFORE, the City Council of the City of Port Townsend ordains as
follows:
Section 1. Amendment. Section 12.04.140(A) is amended to read as follows:
A. Street Frontage Improvements and Fee in lieu of sidewalks.
1. All development shall be required to make street frontage improvements on the parcels’
frontage. Such improvements may include, as further specified in the engineering design
standards manual, stormwater improvements, curbs and gutters, water and sewer lines, utilities,
traffic signals/signs, walkways, sidewalks, pathways, bike lanes, street trees, landscaping, street
widening, and/or any other reasonably necessary improvements. Such frontage improvements
shall generally include the full improvements identified in the engineering design standards
manual for the type of street at issue for the side of the street abutting the lot frontage. In
addition, any required grading and paving shall generally be required to extend the full width of
the street, as determined by the minimum standards for the type of street set forth in the
engineering design standards manual. Full improvements to both sides of the street can be
required based on an individual analysis of whether such improvements are reasonably necessary
to mitigate the direct impacts of development and/or meet safety concerns. The frontage
improvement requirements set forth in this section may be waived if the criteria of
PTMC 12.04.160 are met.
2. If the Director determines that required sidewalk improvements cannot or should not be
constructed concurrent with the proposed development, the applicant shall, prior to issuance of a
building permit or final approval for subdivisions, short subdivisions, or binding site plans pay to
the city an amountequal to the applicant’s cost of installing the required off-site improvements,
as authorized by and in a manner consistent with RCW 82.02.020. The cost of installing the
required improvements shall be based on cost estimates, as approved by the Director.
Ordinance 3316
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Section 2. Policy. The Public Works Director is authorized to adopt a policy consistent
with this ordinance and to administer the fee in lieu of construction.
Section 3. Severability. If any sentence, clause or phrase of this ordinance should be held
to be invalid or unconstitutional by a court of competent jurisdiction, such invalidity or
unconstitutionality shall not affect the validity or constitutionality of any other section, sentence,
clause or phrase or work of this ordinance.
Section 4. Notwithstanding any provisions to the contrary in Chapter 1.01.015 of the
Port Townsend Municipal Code, staff and the Code Reviser are authorized to update and
incorporate changes adopted in the Port Townsend Municipal Code. Staff and the Code Reviser
are further authorized to make non-substantive edits related to numbering, grammar, spelling,
and formatting consistent with this Ordinance.
Section 5. This ordinance amends any confliction provisions to the Port Townsend City
Council Rules of Procedure. City staff may make any changes to the City Council Rules of
Procedure to ensure that the City Council Rules of Procedure
Section 6. Effective Date. This ordinance shall take effect and be in force five days
following its publication in the manner provided by law
ADOPTED by the City Council of the City of Port Townsend, Washington, at a regular
th
meeting thereof, held this 20 day of June 2023.
_____________________________
David J. Faber
Mayor
Attest: Approved as to Form:
_____________________________ ________________________________
Alyssa Rodrigues Heidi Greenwood
City Clerk City Attorney
Fee in Lieu of Sidewalk Program
Port Townsend
FOR CITY COUNCIL
JUNE 20, 2023
Objective
Review existing sidewalk requirements per the Engineering Design Standards (EDS)
Premise:
Sidewalks are required per some street classifications and zonings per city code and EDS.
Problem Statement:
The EDS may require sidewalk regardless of its connectedness to the existing sidewalk network
and overall public benefit.
Waived sidewalkresults in missed opportunities for pedestrian infrastructure.
Fee in Lieu of Program
RCW 82.02 and RCW 58.17
Sometimes construction of sidewalk doesn’t make sense at the time of development. RCW
allows a fee in lieu of program. Absent impact fees, a fee in lieu of program allows cities to
collect funds instead of the project proponent building sidewalk. This leads to the ability for the
City to build sidewalks in locations that complete gaps as the City builds out the sidewalk
program.
Fee in lieu of programs are voluntary for the applicant. See the City of SeaTac program.
Where We Currently Require Sidewalk:
Per Engineering Design Standards, Chapter 6
*
*
*May have been waived in past, or built but may provide little public benefit where located
Key Values Check
Prioritization of Non-motorized traveling public over motorized transportation.
Complete Streets Policy: Serving all users of all abilities
Hierarchy and equity:
1. Disabled –Sidewalks and Transit are the focus –See ADA Transition Plan
2. Pedestrian -Sidewalks and Transit are the focus with other treatments such as small streets and edge lane
road for local access streets.
3. Bicycles –Bike facilities such as shared use paths, bike lanes, sharrows, edge lane roads
4. Motorized –Safe streets, parking, narrow streets, traffic calming
Fundamental value set for density in a city is safe pedestrian travel over and with all other modes of
transportation.
Example:
San Juan near 47th
Froma recent permit: Single Family Residence
Required sidewalk on west side of road per EDS.
0.25 miles to nearest sidewalk on west side of street.
Consideredlow benefit and priority
Red shows existing sidewalk on east side of the street.
A fee in lieu of program could
Extendtheexisting sidewalknetwork to 47th with ADA ramp.
Additional fee in lieu could extend sidewalk toKuhn ELR.
Example:
San Juan to Kuhn
Over time, fee in lieu sidewalk infill can close large gaps.
Example:
th
19-San Juan to Landes
Over time, fee in lieu sidewalk infill
can close large gaps.
ADA Transition
Plan
ADA Transition
Plan
Castle Hill
ADA Transition
Plan
Downtown and
Uptown
ADA Transition
Plan
North Beach
Fee in Lieu of Sidewalk
•Provides a mechanism to build sidewalk infrastructure rather than waiving the requirement.
•Reduces or eliminates construction of low priority sidewalks.
•Instead constructs infill sidewalk and ADA sidewalk ramps at higher priority locations.
•Increases overall benefit to the applicant and public.
•Closes existing sidewalk gaps.
•Expands ADA accessibility, starting at key places (schools, parks, transit and commercial).
•Expedites development design and construction.
•Follows other cities who have effectively implemented similar programs.
Non-Motorized
Plan Projects
Fee
Option 1: The City will offer a pre-determined fee amount based on estimates of the approximate
cost to build sidewalk per ft of frontage.Corner lots with street frontage on both sides will be
required to pay for both frontages.Current average costs for constructing 50 feet of sidewalk
ranges from $5,000 to $10,000.Staff will average costs to create an equitable fee based on
review of projects and current development costs.Fee amounts will be included on the annual
Public Works Infrastructure Fee List located on the city website.
Option 2: The applicant can provide to the city two competitive bids to build sidewalk for that
particular project to account for site specific conditions including terrain, soil conditions and
existing obstacles.This will require more time and coordination for both the developer and the city
but will ensure that the option is available to quantify actual costs for each location.
Process
•Applicantisgive fee in lieu option at Customer Assistance Meeting (CAM) or atstart of permit
•Applicant fills out form
•City determines if fee in lieu is allowed
•Applicant pays the fee
•City collects the fee
•City builds project with fee(s)
Recommendations and Next Steps
Staff recommends authorizing a fee in lieu program.
Next Steps:
•Establish Fund
•Identify priority projects: Review Non-Motorized and other city plans. Infill projects will target all
neighborhoods.
•Share Fee in Lieu option to applicants
•Construct infill sidewalk projects using Fee in Lieu funds
From:meg lodes
To:publiccomment@cityofpt.us
Subject:for 6/20/2023 city council meeting
Date:Tuesday, June 20, 2023 2:50:00 PM
Attachments:Sidewalks 6192023.pdf
Meg
Meg Lodes
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City Council Members,
I appreciate the work City Council members have done to promote development and increase housing
supply to reduce the cost of housing. Reducing building costs was one avenue explored.
Although pedestrian safety is of paramount importance, an ordinance to charge a fee in lieu
sidewalk construction, amounting to $100 to $200 per foot, will place an excessive financial burden on
lot developers and could easily discourage, not encourage development. Unfortunately, the fee will
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the ƩĻƨǒźƩĻķ minimum lot size and adjoining streets.
For instance, the R-1 zone, size lots, is low density due to stormwater
drainage issues. Therefore, the financial burden for sidewalks doubles for developers of lots in R-1,
although sidewalk use by pedestrians, vehicle parking and vehicular traffic is much lower than in higher
density zones with smaller lots. Additionally, the financial burden for sidewalk development doubles
for developers of corner lots. This is not equitable to lot owners/developers and discourages
development in zones ƩĻƨǒźƩźƓŭ large lot sizes like R-1.
According to the figures submitted by the Assistant City Engineer the cost to include sidewalks ranges
from $100 to $200 per foot.
The additional financial burden placed on lot owners/developers is calculated below based on $100
and $200 per foot:
1) 5,000 sq. foot lot
$5,000 to $20,000 (single side; depending on used to calculate)
$15,000 to $30,000 (two sides ; corner lot)
2) 10,000 sq. ft. lot ƩĻƨǒźƩĻķ in R-1 zone due to stormwater drainage issues
$10,000 to $20,000 (single side)
$20,000 to $40,000 (corner lot)
Additionally, a lot with two separate streets located on opposite sides of the lot should require a fee
similar to that of a corner lot.
This suggested fee is not equitable and cost burdens individual developers, specifically those in the R-1
zone with its required 10,000 sq. ft. lot sizes.
For example, sidewalks were NOT required by the City in a 2022 Technical Review for a project in a R-1
neighborhood with no sidewalks. Estimates were obtained but the project was postponed. With the
fee requiring construction of sidewalks, the cost estimate could increase by $40,000(+)
depending on the length required.
2
Perhaps narrow paved sidewalks can be considered as an alternative to wide, stark white concrete in
order to reduce cost in lower density areas. Similar to the R-1 Bell neighborhood where just a few
narrow, paved sidewalks exist that blend beautifully into the natural setting.
Highly dense, industrialized SeaTac runs parallel to SeaTac airport and along I-5, and is noted as having
. Yet are developers in SeaTac as excessively cost burdened as those in Port
Townsend where nearby building resources, excavators, builders and contractors are lacking? Does the
SeaTac program reduce costs, or does it increase costs as will occur for developers in Port Townsend?
Before approving Ordinance 3316 I ask Council Members to consider various inequities and the
excessive financial burden that this new ordinance will place on developers. Although pedestrian safety
is of paramount importance, approval of this ordinance increases building costs and discourages lot
development, and is contrary to many Council Members stated goal to reduce building costs to
encourage development and increasehousing supply.
We all use sidewalks. Is it equitable for developers to
they are forced to carry the entire financial burden for all sidewalk construction in the community?
Other funding sources can be explored. Perhaps charging a standard fee for 99w type of building
project within residential and commercial zones could be an uncomplicated, equitable, quick solution.
Thank you,
Meg Lodes
CITY MEETINGS SCHEDULE
(This schedule is draft only, subject to change. See City website www.cityofpt.us)
Day Date Time Type of Meeting Tentative Agenda Item Location Absent
Thurs June 15 3:00 Public Art Committee Chambers
FridayJune 161:00Financial Sustainability TaskForce Chambers
Mon June 19 CITY OFFICES CLOSED AH
Tues June 20 6:00 City Council Business Meeting Chambers AH
Envision Golf Course and Mt. View Commons Council Debrief
Appointments/Reappointments
Public Works Fee Briefing
st
1 Quarter Financials
nd
2 reading speed limits ordinance 3314
Ordinance to implement a fee in lieu of program for sidewalk
construction
Consent Agenda- Mountain View Pool Repairs
Triangle Park 3 Park to Speakers Corner Park and Skate Park to
Seamus Sims Memorial Park Resolution
Wed June 21 3:00 Council Finance and Budget Committee Chambers AH
Thurs June 22 5:00 Envision Golf Course and Mt. View Commons Open Fort Worden AH
House Fort Worden Commons
Thurs June 22 6:30 Planning Commission Chambers AH
Mon June 26 4:00 Envision Golf Course and Mt. View Commons Open Virtual Only
House- Online Only
Mon June 26 6:00 Special Intergovernmental Collaborative (ICG) Point Hudson
Meeting Pavilion
Tues June 27 4:30 Parks, Recreation, Trees and Trails Advisory Bd. Chambers
Wed June 28 2:30 Jefferson County Housing Fund Board BOCC
Mon July 3 6:00 City Council Business Meeting Chambers AH
Working Family Tax Credit- Special Presentation
Motion to authorize the City Manager to execute a contract for a
City annual striping program
Parks and Recreation Month Proclamation
Briefing/ status update on Key Elements of Financial Sustainability
Initiative
st
1 Reading of Nuisance Code
Raccoon Lodge
Tues July 4 CITY OFFICE CLOSED AH
Wed July 5 3:00 Council Infrastructure and Development Committee Chambers AH
Thurs July 6 1:00 Envision Golf Course and Mt. View Commons Chambers
Stakeholder Meeting
Thurs July 6 3:00 Arts Commission Chambers
Mon July 10 9-4pm City Council Retreat Chambers
Tue July 11 3:00 Lodging Tax Advisory Committee Chambers
Wed July 12 3:00 Council Culture and Society Committee Chambers
Wed July 12 6:00 Healthier Together Virtual Open House Virtual Only
A quorum of Council may be present
Wed July 12 6:30 Special Session Planning Commission Chambers
Thurs July 13 4:15 Civil Service Commission Chambers
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Commons
Thurs July 13 6:30 Planning Commission CANCELED Chambers
Mon July 17 6:00 City Council Business Meeting Chambers
Healthier Together Final Briefing
STIP Update
TIB Grant Application Process
Envision Golf Course and Mountain View Commons Final
Recommendation
nd
2 Reading of Nuisance Code
WedJuly 193:00Council Financeand Budget Committee Chambers
Wed July 19 6:30 Special Session Planning Commission Chambers
Thurs July 20 3:00 Public Art Committee Chambers
Tues July 25 4:30 Parks, Recreation, Trees and Trails Advisory Bd. Chambers
Wed July 26 2:30 Jefferson County Housing Fund Board BOCC
Thurs July 27 6:30 Special Session Planning Commission Chambers
Thurs July 27 6:30 Planning Commission CANCELED Chambers
Tues Aug 1 3:00 Historic Preservation Committee Chambers
Wed Aug 2 3:00 Council Infrastructure and Development Comm. Chambers
Thurs Aug 3 3:00 Arts Commission Chambers
Mon Aug 7 6:00 City Council Business Meeting Chambers
General Sewer Briefing
Comprehensive Plan Amendment- Sims Gateway Plan
rd
Tues Aug 8 1:00 Library Advisory Board 3 Floor Conf
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Wed Aug 9 3:00 Council Culture and Society Committee Chambers
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Intergovernmental Collaborative Group Update of Engineering Design Standards
Jeffco.Housing Fund Bd Records Management Policies
Adoption of Shoreline Master Program Update Mountain View Leases (December)
Suggestion Board and Workplan Review (Jan, Apr., July, Oct.) Budget Hearings and Adoption (Nov-Dec)
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Financial Sustainability Task Force
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