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HomeMy WebLinkAbout04231991 ~~.., · · · " - e e MINUTES Historic Preservation Commission April 23, 1991 The regular meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission was called to order by Pete Raab, chairman, at 7:30 p.m. Present: Teresa Goldsmith, Tom Johnson, Ann Landis, Pete Raab, Liz Smith, Mike Yawman. Christopher Carson absent. Rick Sepler, Planning De- partment, present. Guests: Ken McBride, Les Skoglin, David McCulloch, Wes Thompson, Dave Dover, Patricia Warren, Sheri Robison. Minutes were read. Goldsmith moved they be approved as written. Yawman seconded. Unanimous with one absent. Consent Agenda Sepler read through the following ¡ist of items developed at last week's workshop meeting needing approval at an official meeting: A. Approval to begin HPC meetings at 7:00 p.m. B. Approval to end HPC meetings at approximately 10:00 p.m. C. Approval to coordinate a workshop on design review for city con- tractors and develop an informational mailing. D. Approval for Commissioner Christopher Carson to develop guidelines for committee review process. E. Approval for Commissioners Teresa Goldsmith and Ann Landis to provide an inventory of their reference materials and resource packets for other commissioners. F. Approval of 45-minute limit for pre-application conferences. G. Approval of requiring receipt of applications to the Planning & Building Department at least two weeks before the scheduled hear- ing; and staff provision of applications to the commission a mim- imum of seven days before the scheduled hearing. H. Approval of the following change to design review application requirements: "Additional drawings and/or models may be required at the discretion of the Historic Preservation Commission." Discussion: It was asked if the 45-minute limit for pre-application conferences was to be a hard and fast rule. It was suggested that a confer- ence could continue with a voice vote approval. Item F will be amended to reflect that exception. Smith moved that items A through H be approved as amended. Goldsmith seconded. Unanimous with one absent. Communications Sepler introduced a revised draft of the application sheet for design review, noting that items E and F have been simplified. e e ". ~ ""... HPC Minutes - 4/23/91 - page 2 . New Business Application 9104-02, Water Street Rentals (Elevated Ice Cream et. al.) for a new paint scheme. (proceedings taped). Sepler presented the staff report. The guidelines were reviewed. Nos. 8 and 9 were noted to be non-conforming because three colors were proposed and are to be used to define facade details. The report concluded that the scheme contributes to the Historic District. David McCulloch presented public testimony in favor of the scheme. Landis presented the committee report, recommending use of the third color and the acceptance of the scheme. Landis moved that the ,colors be found contributing to the Historic District. Goldsmith seconded. Vote was unan- imous with one absent. Application 9104-01, Palace Hotel signage. (proceedings taped). Landis excused herselfbecaus~ of.a conflict of interest and left the room. Sepler presented the staff report. The application was for two signs - one already existing on the front window and a proposed sign to be located . on the Water Street/Tyler Street corner of the building. It was observed that the addition of the proposed projecting sign would increase the number of signs fronting on Water Street to 4, whereas the Guidelines limit businesses within the Waner Street Historic District to one sign, except those on corners, which may have one on each side. (During public testimony, Skoglund stated that the two existing small signs would be removed.) It was noted that the proposed projecting sign would extend above the sills of the second floor windows. Staff recommended that the existing window sign contributes to the District. The report asks for more information concerning color, letter- ing, and materials. for the projecting sign. Public testimony: Skoglund and Thompson testified. Letters on the projecting signs are to be the same as the letters on the window sign in style and shape. They will be cast bronze with a shiny, antique gold finish. The bracket is to be bronze with a green-brown patina, as will be the back- ground of the sign itself. The backboard will be copper over plywood. Committee report: Smith stated for the record that she has had business dealin~with the applicants since 1983. Yawman presented the report. Conclusion was that samples of the lettering and/or materials are needed so HPC can get a better idea of the impact the sign would have on the building. There is objection to the height of placement and the consensus is that, because of its size and placement, it would not fit the streetscape and is not pedes- trian oriented; that it would overshadow the building's architecture and also other signs nearby. Smith moved that the in-place window sign :contributes to the Historic District. Goldsmith seconded. During discussion it was noted that the window sign incorporates four different colors and that a pre-application conference . / 'I\(,..'¡- ~..'.. - . . . e e HPC minutes - 4/23/91 - page 3 would have been beneficial. Vote was unanimous with 2 absent. Smith then moved that the proposed projecting sign was non-conforming and recommended a pre-application conference. Johnson seconded. Vote was unanimous with 2 absent. Application 9104-03 McBride Galleries signage. (proceedings taped.) Landis excused herself because of a conflict of interest and left the room. Sepler presented the staff report. A projecting sign and also a sign painted on an existing board on the front of the building was proposed. The wall sign was found to not conform in all but its material. The project- ing sign was found to contribute to the District as conditioned: That revised colors be submitted to the HPC and approved prior to the issuance of a sign permit. Public testimony: Ken McBride explained that the wall sign was proposéd because the wooden panel already exists and has been installed in such a manner that the entire face of the front would have to be rebuilt in order to remove it. He suggested eliminating the sign part and just retaining the scroll design as proposed, and instead, use the projecting sign and then add a small sign on the door or the bottom part of the window in small gold letters. Staff report: Yawman stated that more information was needed re the lettering and colors. Commission discussion: It was pointed out that it is awkward~ to have a sign on the wall with a projecting sign at right angles to it. Discussion of how to facilitate approval of this application ensued resulting in tabling of the discussion. Landis returned to the meeting. It was decided to schedule a meeting Tuesday, April 30, to have a pre- application session concerning The Moorings since applicants were not present and materials were delivered just prior to the meeting. At that time, revised colors for the McBride signaged will be reviewed. The meeting will begin at 7 p.m. Goldsmith moved that The Moorings preapplication discussion be continued to next Tuesday at 7 p.m. Landis seconded. No discussion. Unan- imous with 1 absent. Back to the McBride Galleries signage application: It was moved by Goldsmith and seconded by Smith that the Commission find that the projecting signage and back panel without lettering contributes as conditioned to the Port Townsend HIstoric District. Conditions: 1) Revised colors shall be submitted to the HPC and approved prior to the issuance of a sign permit. 2) Secondary window or wall signage shall be submitted to review by HPC prior to issuance of a sign permit. Officer elections: Goldsmith was nominated chairperson and Yawman as vice chairperson. There were no additional nominations. Landis moved and Smith seconded to accept the slate. Votes were unanimous with 1 absent. The Moorings blueprints were briefly reviewed. Some of the changes that had been requested were noted but not all. HPC had requested "flimsies" presenting many possible variations. Sepler reported there was no scheduled e e ..,.»" ~ ~-~ HPC minutes - 4/23/91 - page 4 meeting with the applicants between then and next Tuesday's meeting but that if they called, he would remind them of what was agreed upon. Warren commented that good design doesn't come from bandaiding bad design and stated that she will say more next week. . Discussion ensued concerning how to handle situations where appli- cants do not cooperate with the requests and suggestions made by the HPC during a pre-applièation discussion and still expect another (or several) more pre-app sessions. It was suggested that HPC should consider making it a policy to tell such applicants where they are deficient and that until HPC's requests are fulfilled, the Commiss~on will not be able 'to spend time with them. Landis moved and Yawman seconded to adjourn. Unanimous vote with 1 absent. Adjourned at 9:54 p.m. Respectfully submitted, ~~~s Barbara S. Marseille, Secretary .