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CITY OF PORT TOWNSEND
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
November 30, 2000
1. CALL TO ORDER
Vice Chairman Larry Harbison called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. in the City Council
Chambers.
II. ROLL CALL
Other members answering roll were Jerry Spieckerman, Jim Irvin, Frank Benskin, Christine Ota
and Karen Erickson. Bernie Arthur was excused. Also present were BCD staff members Jeff Randall
and John McDonagh.
III. ACCEPTANCE OF AGENDA
A question was raised regarding election of officers. It was determined to place the item under
Unfinished Business.
Ms. Erickson made a motion to accept the agenda as amended. Mr. Irvin seconded the motion.
All were in favor.
IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Mr. Spieckerman made the motion to approve the minutes as written, and Ms. Erickson seconded
the motion. All were in favor.
V. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
Election of Officers:
CHAIRMAN-Ms. Erickson nominated Larry Harbison for Chairman. Ms. Ota seconded.
Nominations ceased and Mr. Harbison was elected Chairman.
VICE CHAIRMAN-Ms. Ota nominated Mr. Spieckerman for Vice Chairman. Ms. Erickson
seconded. Nominations ceased and Mr. Spieckerman was elected Vice Chairman.
VI. NEW BUSINESS
LUPOO-055 - Conditional Use Permit
Washington State Parks & Recreation Commission
Dining Hall/Multipurpose Facility at Fort Worden State Park and Conference Center
Mr. McDonagh discussed Findings, Conclusions and Recommendation for the Conductional Use
Permit to allow construction ofa new, modern, esthetically designed 18,106 square foot, 600-person
capacity dining halVmultipurpose facility that would fit in well with the Forth Worden Campus. He
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pointed out that the replacement facility that would nearly double the original facility would require
expanded parking immediately around the dining facility to bring the total from 50 current parking
spaces to 75. Other satellite parking areas available are within 150 to 200 feet of the dining hall.
The site is zoned public open space (P/OS). Construction of the dining halVmultipurpose
facility is not clearly defined in the zoning code. The best definition of this type of facility, and fits in
very well with they way it operates right now, is a conference center. A Conference Center is a Type III
Use Permit and requires a conditional use permit and approval by the Planning Commission. Mr.
McDonagh said the Commission recommendation would be forwarded to Council for final approval,
modification or denial.
The project was given some initial public notice to neighbors within 300 feet at the end of
August, and at that time no comments from the general public were received. SEP A review was
conducted on the project and resulted in a Mitigated Determination of Non-Significance, Exhibit E.
During the SEP A Threshold Comment period, BCD received two letters, Exhibits F and G. Exhibit F
was a letter from the Washington State Department of Ecology with no specific requirements on the
project, but requested the applicant consider the use of recyclable/recycled or salvaged materials in
construction of the new facility.
Exhibit G, a letter from Mr. Raymond Nelson, probably was the most important and resulted in
the addition of a condition to the Findings and Conclusions. The letter questions the appropriateness of
the area along the southern boundary of the park in Exhibit C, currently a grassy area with some trees,
showing it incorrectly listed as existing informal event parking and approximately 204 parking spaces.
When this came to attention, the State Parks concurred, to their and BCD's embarrassment, that they had
not noticed it earlier and were amenable to including a condition that specifically stipulates this parking
area will not be part of the proposal. (See Condition B under recommendations on Page 8.)
CORRECTION:
> Condition B, Page 8. Remove question mark and leave as Exhibit D.
Mr. McDonagh discussed CUP Criteria. Regarding Criteria E, he noted there were no specific
policies and goals in the Comprehensive Plan drafted for Fort Worden. He stated Staff feels the dining
hall project does not conflict with any of the goals and policies of the Comprehensive Plan and is
therefore consistent with the Comprehensive Plan.
Mr. Spieckerman asked if this new building would affect the National Historic Register standing
at Fort Worden. Mr. McDonagh replied that it would not at all affect that standing.
Mr. Irvin asked regarding a parking standard. He observed that they could park all over campus
for one facility; if there is another one, why can't they park all over as well? He asked if there is a hard
and fast criteria and if the 75 spaces are the only part of the project they have to consider.
Mr. McDonagh asked Mr. Richard Brown, Architect for Washington State to reply. Mr. Brown
noted that parking has been a lightning rod from the beginning.
Mr. McDonagh interjected that in a pre-application meeting, one of the things BCD mentioned
was they really needed the State to clearly show what parking was available at Fort Worden and how
this project would comply with it. He said they know there is quite a bit of parking but did not know if
it had been quantified and asked that they provide some sort of parking inventory that shows where
people park now, whether formal or informal parking. He said that the State Parks took that one step
further and looked at what they want to improve in the parking areas over the future and presented that
rather than actually doing a count. After receiving Mr. Nelson's letter, they put Mr. Nelson in touch with
Mr. Brown, and subsequently the area in question was deemed inappropriate and taken off the table.
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Mr. McDonagh noted other parking areas. He stated they want to be clear that with this project they are
really looking at the dining hall and the immediate area around it, and if there will be enough parking
when this facility is operating to accommodate what the parking codes and standards set forth.
Mr. Spieckerman said he was not sure he agreed with the 150 feet, approximately 300 parking
spots, and his concern was that this is a multi-use area. If you have other facilities full of people, they
will be parking in addition to those who have a big event at the dining hall itself He asked if it had been
addressed that if you have people who may have been there 4-5 days for an event and the cars are well-
parked, and then someone wants the dining hall for dinner for 500 people.
Mr. Brown pointed out the dilemma at Fort Worden. One of the strongest attributes is the
pedestrian experience at the Fort -- cars are one of the biggest oppositions. He spoke of having to meet
codes and the need to accommodate parking for the disabled. He pointed out problems, e.g. parking
near the chapel, and said they do not want 300 cars in one spot. He discussed appropriateness/
inappropriateness of parking as brought up in Mr. Nelson's letter. Mr. Brown pointed out the state's
document was for internal purposes and has started the discussion with Mr. Nelson's comments, and
others, about the park as a whole. He indicated that because it was in there, and because it is now part of
the document, right in the text that parking should be eliminated, they don't have any problem with that,
because they don't intend to include it. He said, however, he would like to steer away from this
discussion going into park-wide parking solutions.
Mr. McDonagh asked Director of Fort Worden State Park, Mr. Jim Farmer to speak. Mr. Farmer
spoke of shared parking. He indicated that if the Fort is full, and they cannot serve the needs to bring in
a banquet, they would not allow a contract. He noted the military did not build Fort Worden for cars.
They have had to look at traffic while they have been developing and that they are developing a parking
plan that will change where people park. Mr. Farmer and Mr. McDonagh both reiterated that parking at
the dining hall facility is the only parking now under consideration.
There was no public testimony. The meeting turned to Commission discussion.
COMMISSION DISCUSSION:
Ms. Erickson asked regarding requirement for parking spaces within 300 feet. Mr. Randall
explained that Port Townsend Municipal Code (PTMC) 17.72 provides requirement for off street
parking, and PTMC 17.72.140 for joint use of parking lots. He spoke of requirements for a binding
agreement and some limitations. Mr. Randall said this case involves a single owner and a binding
agreement would not be necessary. The mix of uses and peak demands probably would not occur at the
same time for all those uses; distance for this use would be parking within 500 feet.
Mr. Harbison spoke of clarification in Condition B. Mr. Randall said there should be some
conclusion; is there adequate off street parking for this facility? Mr. Harbison stated there were 75 plus
spaces; Mr. Irvin affirmed it well in excess.
Mr. Brown answered Ms. Erickson's question concerning parking within 500 feet, that they have
made no other changes.
Mr. Benskin brought up cQngested parking at the entrance of the park. Mr. Farmer stated there
are no good answers to parking at the chapel; it has been under consideration for a long duration. Mr.
Farmer indicated they will have to move ahead at some point, but it is not part of this dining hall
consideration.
Mr. Randall referred to lodging buildings and needing to determine how many spaces are
available for joint use, and perhaps directing Staff or the State Parks to provide approximate numbers of
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spaces available with 500 feet. Mr. Spieckerman said he had no problem with parking, but with the
scale of the map it is hard to determine. He suggested clarifying the legend.
Mr. McDonagh suggested they could be directed to add to the final parking plan, parking spaces
and uses within a 500-foot radius of the dining hall. Mr. Brown stated concern with providing new
exhibits. It was suggested a requirement be added to #4 on Page 9, prior to issuance of the building
permit.
Mr. Harbison asked if there were consensus.
CONSENSUS:
> Change #4, Page 9 to include, "Prior to issuance of a building permit, a final dining hall parking
plan showing joint use parking available within a 500 foot radius to meet requirements ofPTMC
17.72 . . ."
> Correct typographical error on Page 8 to read," ... operation of the dining halVmultipurpose
facility . . ."
Mr. Benskin asked about the letter from the Department of Ecology regarding recycling. Mr.
Brown pointed out it is a form letter and noted they are recycling where appropriate.
Mr. McDonagh showed drawings of the proposed building. Esthetics and attributes of the
building were discussed. Mr. Brown stated the building is broken into four different rooms for four
separate functions. He stated the dining facility can accommodate 500 and stressed that the dining
facility is the health of Fort Worden.
Mr. Farmer indicated the governor's budget is to be released December 20th. The State Parks
Commission made this a very high priority in their capital plan; if they can't have the dining hall, they
will have to change the needs to meet how they can run the place. Mr. Randall pointed out that to the
legislators it is key that Fort Worden pay for itself
Mr. Randall referred to Condition E on Page 11 and asked that they have the ability to change
the requirement that the Conditional Use Permit is valid for the 3 years. If the State Parks sees the
possibility that submittal of a building permit might not occur in 3 years, and with the ability the
Planning Commission and City Council has, the time be extended to six years. Consensus followed
discussion.
CONSENSUS:
> Amend Condition E, Page 11 to read, " . . . the CUP shall expire within six years of the effective
approval date, an extension granted pursuant to PTMC 17.84, ..."
SECOND
VOTE
Mr. Spieckerman Approve LUPOO-055 Conditional Use Permit Washington State
Parks & Recreation Commission Dining Hall/Multipurpose Facility at Fort Worden State
Park and Conference Center as amended and recommend City Council approval of the
Conditional Use Permit
Mr. Irvin
UNANIMOUS, 6 in favor
MOTION
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AMENDMENTS:
> Page 8, Condition B under Recommendations. Remove question mark.
> Page 8, Condition D under Recommendations. Change to " . . . operation of dining haW
multipurpose facility . . ."
> Page 9, #4, Change to include "Prior to issuance of a building permit, a final dining hall parking
plan showing joint use parking available within a 500-foot radius to meet requirements ofPTMC
17.72 . . . "
> Page 11, Condition E. Change to read, " . . . the CUP shall expire within six years of the effective
approval date, an extension granted pursuant to PTMC 17.84, . . ."
Mr. Brown spoke of his work statewide and commended BCD staff noting their professionalism.
He said he was given impacting ordinances upfront, and the parking issues that required adjustment
were addressed. He said they are an exceptional staff
Chair Harbison stated they appreciate that the staff is doing an exceptional job.
VII. UPCOMING MEETINGS
Mr. Randall reported there was nothing planned for December, and no meetings were
scheduled.
Ms. Erickson noted she would probably be unavailable the second week of January, and Mr.
Irvin reported he would also need to be excused January 25th.
VIII. COMMUNICATIONS
Mr. McDonagh distributed documents to the Planning Commissioners. He discussed a
meeting he had recently attended where the Governor of Maryland was speaking on smart growth.
Mr. Benskin also added, "working where you live."
IX. ADJOURNMENT
Motion to adjourn the meeting was made by Mr. Spieckerman and seconded by Mr. Irvin.
All were in favor. The meeting adjourned at 8:30 p.m.
Larry Harbison, Vice Chair
Sheila Avis, Minute Taker
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